ror2-game-questions

[lavish jacinth]

when sotv dropped, nothing was blacklisted at all

[livid wedge]

Yes, but there is an ai blacklist for a reason

[cursive compass]

Idk, I don’t mind them being able to get useless items considering how broken some items they can get are

[lavish jacinth]

it was really funny when they were able to get lol

[turbid hinge]

me praying for them to get ceremonial dagger on the legendary

[livid wedge]

Nah, the broken items make it more of a challenge

[lavish jacinth]

they can't get ceremonial dagger

[cursive compass]

Yeah, Race just had to go and rat it out to hopoo :((

[livid wedge]

The items that do nothing feels like I'm cheated out of that experience

[lavish jacinth]

for a very good reason

[cursive compass]

It was very very funny

[turbid hinge]

why

[lavish jacinth]

ptsd flashbacks to scavengers with ceredag

[cursive compass]

Ouch

[lavish jacinth]

daggers have extremely large homing range and are impossible to dodge

[turbid hinge]

I mean arent daggers on kill

[lavish jacinth]

if a scavenger got them and used its blob attack, you just had to die

[turbid hinge]

and since if u get killed u like get killed

[livid wedge]

So glad gearbox actually fixed one of hopoos poor decisons and ai blacklisted the

[lavish jacinth]

scavengers can proc on-kill effects with one of their attacks

[cursive compass]

Scavs have an attack that activates on kill effects

[mellow crystal]

wait what scavs have more than one attack?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[livid wedge]

Yes, shotgun and blobs

Thqwibs

[cursive compass]

Love thqwibs

I miss them

[turbid hinge]

I was fearing the day I would get it thank god it is blacklisted

[lavish jacinth]

and being able to pull stuff out of their bag, although that's not really an attack

[cursive compass]

I am kinda sad they blocked that one lol

It was a classic

[turbid hinge]

what current items that arent blacklisted that are a death warrant on u

in void fields for example

[cursive compass]

Shurikens can be bad

Very bad

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think there's anything that's a guaranteed death anymore, but shuriken is probably the worst

[turbid hinge]

I dont own dlcs

[mellow crystal]

are bands blacklisted

[turbid hinge]

so like sth else

[livid wedge]

Then crowbars will be the enemy instead

[lavish jacinth]

nkhuana's can be bad if they have a way to heal

[turbid hinge]

nope

[livid wedge]

Nope

Look, I am slow

[cursive compass]

no but basically no enemies can actually proc them

Its very limited

[turbid hinge]

yh the game givinf them irems and the synergies too

[livid wedge]

There are like 3 I think

[mellow crystal]

parents can apparently

[turbid hinge]

jellyfish can

[livid wedge]

Jellyfish at the explosion center, brass contraptions and beetle guard slams

[cursive compass]

thats funny lol

Overall not an issue for them to get bands, plus OSP helps

[lavish jacinth]

apparently children can

[turbid hinge]

beetle guard got runalds with me once

[cursive compass]

I guess it’d be a danger on e8 but thats only possible in vields anyway

[livid wedge]

Funnily enough, elder lemurians can't so the ones in the aqueduct can no longer trigger their items

[turbid hinge]

and jellyfish got kajaros, luckily kajaros is dodgeable easily

[livid wedge]

They also have 20 clovers

[cursive compass]

Yeah I found it funny that they just left them with the items still

Remnants from ye olden times

[turbid hinge]

who has 20 clovers

[cursive compass]

the gay lizards on aqueduct

[turbid hinge]

why

[livid wedge]

The elder lemurians from when the bands were a proc chance

[turbid hinge]

to guarantee crits or what lol

[lavish jacinth]

bands used to be a random proc

[turbid hinge]

oooh

it was nerfed right

not buffed

[lavish jacinth]

It was a rework

[cursive compass]

buffed arguably, mainly just changed

[livid wedge]

Depends on how you look at it

[lavish jacinth]

being able to control when you proc them is really strong

[cursive compass]

It made burst builds much more viable

[lavish jacinth]

but you don't get them as often

[turbid hinge]

I mean imo bands would be much stonger if no 10s cooldown

[livid wedge]

If you're default commando though, you hate them

[cursive compass]

They still had the cooldown, right?

[livid wedge]

Only his alt special can proc it

[livid wedge]

No

[cursive compass]

Phase round can!

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[turbid hinge]

I mean atg missiles can

[cursive compass]

Oh god

Phase round W

[livid wedge]

Yeah, but you need two of them

So you need to be lucky to get 3 specific items

Sure there's shuriken but that's dlc

[cursive compass]

theyre sorta nice early in a run on mando but after a certain point theyre just scrap, unless you get shurikens

[lavish jacinth]

or essence, or any equipment with enough damage to proc it

[cursive compass]

Oh yeah, capacitor too

[livid wedge]

I'm not saying commando cannot theoretically proc the bands but base commando probably has the worst time with them

[cursive compass]

And maybe saw if inclined

[cursive compass]

Id argue poor acrid has it worse, or diablo captain (but not vs mithrix)

[livid wedge]

His third primary proc it

Guaranteed

[cursive compass]

Exactly

Which is horrendous compared to nades or phase round

At least alt leap procs them decently

[livid wedge]

Compared to phase round? I don't feel like it is but it is what it is

[cursive compass]

Its mainly just because of the vulnerability getting into melee range later in a run has

This is from an e8 perspective, too

[lavish jacinth]

if you're later in a run then there's a decent chance you'll have an item that can proc them

[cursive compass]

Its never worth meleeing past stage 3 or so in e8 unless you are confident in your speed items/defense items

[livid wedge]

Ah, I do not find eclipse fun in any way so I did not consider it

[cursive compass]

I’m the opposite, I always forget that eclipse isn’t the only context people play in lol

Eclipse changed my opinions on a lot of items and abilities as I progressed

[turbid hinge]

poor acrid?

[cursive compass]

As in like, poor little acrid has it worse

Poor lil lizzer

[turbid hinge]

why acrid is coolest one

[livid wedge]

That's fair. People can play however they like. I dislike it when people try to insist that you are playing the game wrong if you aren't doing it like them. The correct way to play the game is the way you find most fun

[cursive compass]

Oh I love acrid, but he has a hard time using bands very well lol

[turbid hinge]

I mena if the context is optimization then no

stuff like this isnt subjective

[cursive compass]

I’m not sure I’d necessarily agree

The difficulty/gamemode is outside of META or optimisation

The objective values of items are within the context of the run and difficulty, and any other changes to the game

[livid wedge]

If you are having fun, then nothing else matters

[cursive compass]

Thats why some items can be great on rainstorm, but absolutely dogshit on eclipse for example

[livid wedge]

If you want to explore more, great, we have people here that can answer questions and help

[cursive compass]

The optimisation differs based on difficulty and context

[cursive compass]

Absolutely

Although that often gets confused when people discuss whats best/most useful

For example, a lot of items and abilities are objectively worse than others, but that doesn’t change that people can have fun with them

However people often argue that they are better, not because they are, but because they like them more, and they don’t realise that thats the reason they’re arguing

[livid wedge]

Also true. I'm more talking about someone trying to gatekeep another's experience because they aren't playing it according to their predefined notions

[cursive compass]

Yeah absolutely, its a very unhealthy thing to do in gaming communities

[marble osprey]

It kinda goes both ways
"It's not good" isn't a valid reason not to use it, and "I have fun with it" isn't a valid reason for it to be considered good

[cursive compass]

Yeah

they get mixed up in every way

[livid wedge]

Of course. That should be no reason to berate them, not that I'm saying anyone in this conversation does that

[cursive compass]

My main gripe is that arguing that bad aspects of the game arent bad harms the chances of them being improved in updates

[livid wedge]

One of my favorite quotes is "Personal is not the same as important". I've gotten a lot of mileage out of it

[cursive compass]

Things change when they get pointed out to the devs, but people coping that objectively bad things aren’t bad make it hard to actually get those things to change

[turbid hinge]

yh it is important for both sides to recgnize it, like leave the other person have his fun, and the other person shoudl recognize it is his own thing with X

especially when in the context of giving advice to newer players as not to get them deluded

[livid wedge]

Terry Pratchett always laying down hard truths

[turbid hinge]

this is too much civilised talk

ok what run should I do now, I did acrid engi and loader (I will count this as a run)

[livid wedge]

[turbid hinge]

no dlcs

[livid wedge]

Beep boop

[turbid hinge]

I had a death with archer in meadows b4 while searchign for the scrapper bec I found a crowbar printer

[livid wedge]

Give the robot a couple daggers and watch them melt bosses with the nailgun

I don't think I keep crowbars on any character other than railgunner

[turbid hinge]

I dont understand him in the slightest

[turbid hinge]

loader oneshotting

[livid wedge]

Mul-t, play the robot

[lavish jacinth]

what don't you understand?

[livid wedge]

I don't play loader.

[turbid hinge]

how to build him and how to play him

[lavish jacinth]

build around procs, shoot stuff with gun

[livid wedge]

Mul-t is an acrid so you build procs

[lavish jacinth]

blast canister to stun groups, transport mode to reposition and more stuns/damage, retool lets you hold two equipments and stuff

[turbid hinge]

and how do I play around the multiple primaries

[lavish jacinth]

just use whichever one fits the situation

nailgun is your main dps workhorse

[turbid hinge]

the laser one felt super shit

is there any reason to switch to it

[lavish jacinth]

rebar has range, burst damage and piercing but its fire rate is garbage, but using retool will skip the reload animation

[livid wedge]

Yeah, I use nailgun on most thing close range and rebar to pick off farther targets

Also good since it can proc bands

[mellow crystal]

switching weapons insta-reloads it so you can actually spam it with two of them
aside from that it's mostly just quick burst

[lavish jacinth]

scrap launcher for aoe and powersaw for shredding things up close (I'm assuming you don't have them yet but I'm including them for completeness)

[turbid hinge]

retool doesnt have cooldown?

[lavish jacinth]

it does but it's only 0.5s

[turbid hinge]

so like I mix and match ro take one fo each

no gimmik to taking same item?

[mellow crystal]

aside from rebar swapping no afaik
until you get power mode at least

[livid wedge]

I mean, retool still has a use in 2 equipment even if you pick the same weapon

[turbid hinge]

and is rebar swapinng good or is auto nail gun just better

also I am considering starting to play on moonson

[hoary sedge]

rebar swapping is the highest damage build he has iirc

[lavish jacinth]

rebar swapping is very good but it doesn't scale with attack speed

[lavish jacinth]

not even close but it's pretty good

[livid wedge]

Yes because the nailgun has a shotgun of nails when you stop firing

For swapping

[turbid hinge]

I emant double rebar

[livid wedge]

I mean, that's certainly an option

[lavish jacinth]

double rebar does more dps than a single nailgun, but it doesn't scale with attack speed and it's a little weird to use since you have to constantly hold the swap button

[turbid hinge]

i heard nailgun has the lowest proc coeff in the gane that isnt 0

[lavish jacinth]

(technically the first syringe you pick up will make a tiny difference, but past that attack speed doesn't matter for retool)

[lavish jacinth]

no lol

[mellow crystal]

0.6
which isn't that bad

[turbid hinge]

I was told it was 0.1

[lavish jacinth]

lmao, who told you that?

[turbid hinge]

my brother

[lavish jacinth]

it's 0.6, 12 nails per second

[turbid hinge]

@candid canyon

[lavish jacinth]

I think the lowest in the game is the acid pool that acrid's leap leaves behind, which actually is 0.1

[livid wedge]

Huntress arrow rain is also 0.1, I think

[lavish jacinth]

arrow rain is 0.2

[lavish jacinth]

*(unless we're counting enemies, then I think it's clay templar with 0.05)

[livid wedge]

Damn

Lol, having plimp doubles the proc chance for it

[lavish jacinth]

it used to be 0.1 but they buffed it

(and I use the word buff loosely lmao)

[livid wedge]

Yeah, "buff"

[mellow crystal]

wdym, it's 2x what it used to be!!! ||/j for the record||

[livid wedge]

I like playing the huntress but she could definitely use a little rework of her own

[turbid hinge]

i forgot i take fall damage

[livid wedge]

Flurry being more or less strictly better than strafe
-# unless you don't get crit in which case, suffer

[mellow crystal]

the "extremely mobile but fragile survivor with a high damage output" feeling like she deals no damage until you unlock ballista

[lavish jacinth]

the "glass cannon" with some of the lowest damage output in the game

[livid wedge]

"High damage", yeah, and the loader is a "slow bruiser"

[lavish jacinth]

I love that this is still a meme

that article is a fucking cognitohazard

[livid wedge]

It's still in her description in the survivor pick screen

Well, the being slow part

[mellow crystal]

the universe if i actually read her survivor overview and didn't immediately decide to main her

[lavish jacinth]

I assume that they either wrote that description before actually designing her and never changed it, or they're referring to the fact that her attacks are slow

but whoever wrote that loader """guide""" has absolutely never played loader once in their life and just based the whole thing off of the overview and maybe looking at the wiki

[livid wedge]

Also, saying slower survivor when all survivors you can pick have the same move speed

Engi is the only survivor without any kind of ability that can help with mobility. Even captain can at least yeet himself with diablo strike

[lavish jacinth]

if I remember right, that guide listed engie as the best survivor in the game

and in explaining why, they did nothing but list all of his downsides

[livid wedge]

Bruh

[lavish jacinth]

it was something like "Engineer is very slow, with awkward attacks and some very long cooldowns... but he has turrets and bungus so he's the best"

I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist of it

[turbid hinge]

ok vagrants with mountain

thhis dude is super clunky

[lavish jacinth]

he takes a little getting used to

[livid wedge]

I'd rather have vagrants with mountain on stage one instead of beetle queens but that's definitely rough

[lavish jacinth]

don't forget that he has a bunch of options for stunning enemies

transport mode also gives a ton of armor

oh, and you can use the recoil nailgun's shotgun blast to sorta rocket jump

[mellow crystal]

i'm making mul-t in d&d rn and why the fuck does he specifically have 1 less base damage than most other survivors

[lavish jacinth]

oh, there's actually a really funny reason for that

it's because way, way, way back in the earliest days of the beta, retool with ocular hud was apparently considered OP, so they had to nerf his damage

literally the first patch the game ever got in early access

[livid wedge]

Infinite crits?

That's either weird wording or there was a bug for infinite hud that I don't remember

[lavish jacinth]

there used to be a bug where nailgun would retain 100% crit chance even after hud wore off as long as you didn't stop shooting

I think the same bug also applied to war horn and similar buffs

but they fixed the bug and then nerfed him anyway because ?????

[turbid hinge]

dude

[turbid hinge]

why beetle queens are the best and vagrants are the worst

[turbid hinge]

the most random achievment completed ever

[lavish jacinth]

vagrants are only really dangerous because of the explosion, and that's not a big deal as long as you're paying attention and get to cover once their health gets low

[turbid hinge]

if I had been careful it could have been a good run

[turbid hinge]

paying attention is annyoing af

also being 3 miles up in the air is pretty annoying

[lavish jacinth]

they float like 3 feet off the ground

[turbid hinge]

how good is scrap launcher

[lavish jacinth]

it's aight

[turbid hinge]

but not as a main right

[lavish jacinth]

it's kinda similar to rebar, you generally wanna fire off some shots and then switch to your other weapon while it's on cooldown

and yes, scrap launcher does actually have a proper cooldown, although it's only 1.5s. But it holds 4 shots and reloads them all at once

[livid wedge]

Beetle queens spawn beetle guards, which can be annoying to deal with early in a run

[cursive compass]

I usually skip mountain shrines stage 1 unless im on or , or if its an exceptionally good stage 1

[livid wedge]

And multiple queens will spawn multiple guards

[cursive compass]

Beetle queens are absolutely the worst hit for stage 1, they can be so brutal

[lavish jacinth]

I always take mountain shrines stage 1, go big or go home

• if you die, it was only stage 1 so no big loss

[cursive compass]

I’d usually rather keep the run going than have to start over

especially with how slow stage 1s can be sometimes

Besides, its easier on morale than dying to something that was pretty easily preventable

[livid wedge]

Same, I'm no coward

If we die, we die

[lavish jacinth]

my mentality is that the moment I start a run, I'm going to waste the next hour of my life one way or another

I have no fear of death because already accepted my fate

[cursive compass]

Tbf now that I’m done with the eclipse climb, I can be a lot more relaxed in my normal runs

I don’t have to worry about needing to win every time to get to e8, I can just enjoy it

so yeah, probably just a side effect of eclipse

[livid wedge]

Same

In game too, even

[fiery oriole]

Damn monsoon is sooo fun! 🤩

[livid wedge]

I like it for multiplayer but I usually do rainstorm runs when solo

[turbid hinge]

bandits is super good early game

dude I was 2 meters from the teleporter

the runalds was from the boss I just killed

[turbid hinge]

idk I prefer them to vagrants or titan

at least I dot have to hide behidn some cover or shit

[livid wedge]

I mean, anything that breaks line of sight between you and the vagrant blocks it, even the teleporter prongs

Er, I mean anything you can put between you and the vagrant, no matter how slim as long as it's solid

[cursive compass]

I find that if the run isn’t particularly strong, beetle queen teleporter events can spiral quite quickly

Its usually only a stage 1 problem but out of the three they’re the only boss thats really capable of it

Stone titans and vagrants don’t pose much of a threat, you can basically ignore them and do the tp without issue

Plus when they die they actually die, the beetle guards queens spawn stick around so just killing the boss isn’t the entire story, especially if you’re already struggling

[lavish jacinth]

With vagrants, ignoring them is arguably better than fighting them immediately since they do their only dangerous attack when they're at low health

Titans won't use their laser if they're above 95% but it's easy to hit that threshold by accident, but you can also have drones taking their aggro

[orchid thicket]

theres xbox playstation crossplatform capability, right?

[livid wedge]

Nope, only kind of cross play is between steam and epic

[lavish jacinth]

(Barely)

[fiery oriole]

Do I have to kill the boss so as to teleport ?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah

[fiery oriole]

meh I am thinking to try to get the timed chest

[fiery oriole]

Why is one portal missing ? 😅

[lavish jacinth]

Only one stage you can go to

[fiery oriole]

So I am not wasting my lunar. I will go back to the teleporter right?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah

[fiery oriole]

When it says the primordial teleporter aligns with the moon, does this mean that next stage is Mithrix?

[lavish jacinth]

Yep

If you align it to the planet you'll loop

[quasi crystal]

Tripped me up seeing a single seer

[wintry fjord]

What stage is that?

[steady stone]

sky meadow, no dlc so no second portal

[wintry fjord]

Oh ok

[wintry fjord]

Can you get a gold portal on stage 5 in bazzar

[steady stone]

the wiki lists it as a 5% chance to "replace" the original choice, so i doubt you would get a second through that

[wintry fjord]

How does the artifact of remembering stuff and command work together

[marble osprey]

You have to select the item you picked

[full apex]

It decides the memory game when closed based on the last thing you picked up. If you leave the items, it makes it much easier to pick them up and then reopen the chests right away haha. Means you need to pick little or nothing up though on the first pass. For command, its still the last thing you picked up, so for ex with sale star it would be whichever item you chose second.

[cold jungle]

What do I have to do to see the lobbies only like 2 show up I know most people used to use a mod for more players but toomanyfriends has been broke so what is everyone using now

[quasi crystal]

Why do gilded larvae drop gold when they hurt themselves but no other monster that self damages

[livid wedge]

If gasoline isn't in the aiblacklist group then why have I never seen as a monster item in vields?

Or is the wiki inaccurate?

[ionic igloo]

you definitely have no mods that change the blacklist?

[livid wedge]

I am on console so definitely no mods

[ionic igloo]

I mean even if you do 20 void fields it's possible to not get gas in any of them

[livid wedge]

I've done a few more than that

Still possible to not get them but the chance starts to get infinitesimally small

Upon further recollection, I also have never seen in vields despite it also not beint blacklisted

[full apex]

how big is the item pool? for only seeing one or two items a run, not seeing a specific one seems reasonable

also i think vields might have a different blacklist. theres aiblacklist but i think evo or vields might have their own, and i know mith has his own

[livid wedge]

I thought that too but if there is, I can't seem to find it online anywhere

[scenic musk]

anyone know where the fire effect comes from? it tanked my fps

[full apex]

looks modded i dont think ive ever seen that

is it an allies item effect?

[umbral sable]

can i complete the rex bushwhacked thing with transcendence?

[full apex]

should be able to, just dont let the shield recharge

[real plaza]

okay so i have point blank hit imps with the preon as multi and still no achaivment for it?

[lavish jacinth]

that achievement is notoriously finicky, you need to be absolutely sure that the preon actually gets the kill. So avoid stuff like random procs or bands that might steal it and focus on direct multipliers like

also just to be sure, it has to be the imp overlord boss, not just any imp

[real plaza]

im using artifact of command i got him to spawn and only shot propns at him i had nothing that could proc to even deal any other damage, no blled, burn, missles, nothing

[lavish jacinth]

hmmm

well it sounds like you're doing everything right, unfortunately that unlock just likes to not work sometimes

[real plaza]

I killed 6 of them on the run

[lavish jacinth]

well dang
in a little while I can test it on a new save to see if it's bugged or something, the unlock isn't normally THAT finicky. Most people still get it in 1 or 2 tries

or if you're tired of messing with it you can use a mod to force the unlock https://thunderstore.io/package/prodzpod/RealerCheatUnlocks/

[real plaza]

Nah i dont really want to use a run ive been trying all week and ive done over 6 45 plus min runs for this im super frusterated

[fiery oriole]

Which item does affects and increase Royal Capacitor equipment damage?

I found on Google a few and it seems they are mostly lunar items

[turbid hinge]

what is the point of keeping at high hp if I need to kill them anyways

[lavish jacinth]

it gives you time to find cover

[lavish jacinth]

anything that multiplies damage will work, etc. Multipliers apply to ANY damage that meets their condition.
And ofc it can also proc, so you can indirectly increase damage with stuff like

also, damage multipliers and most procs are multiplicative with each other, so the best way to increase damage output in most cases is to mix a bunch of different items rather than focusing on one thing

[turbid hinge]

I have a question, I know proc coeffiecint affects crit chance, so if an attack has 0.5 proc, can I get its crit chance guaranteed by having 20 glasses?

or will the max be 50% crit no matter what?

[lavish jacinth]

proc coefficient doesn't affect crit chance

things can either crit or they can't, and as a general rule anything that can proc can also crit. But the actual crit chance doesn't change

[turbid hinge]

another important question, with clover, does it apply on item then the result gets multiplied by proc coefficient or clover come last?

[lavish jacinth]

but for things that stack chance other than crit (like ), then yes, it's possible to reach 100% even with a lower proc coeff, it'll just take more stacks

[lavish jacinth]

clover is separate from proc coeff, it works by adding one additional rng roll in your favor.
So like, if you had an atg (10% chance) with a 0.5 proc coeff and one clover, you would end up with two 5% chances instead of one

if you think of it it like physical dice, proc coeff is like adding weight to the die to favor a certain outcome, while clover is rolling the die extra times until you get the outcome you want

[turbid hinge]

so clover is applied first

shame

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't matter when it's applied

[turbid hinge]

or no it is applied later

[lavish jacinth]

technically it's applied last but it doesn't directly change the proc chance like proc coeff does

[turbid hinge]

mathematically

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, on average yeah, it does increase the chance. But in terms of how the mechanic works it doesn't

[turbid hinge]

it does

instead of for example 50% it becomes a 75%

[lavish jacinth]

it also means it's impossible to get 100% proc chance with just clovers, since you could roll a proc chance as many times as you want and theoretically fail every single roll

[lavish jacinth]

with clover you would have two separate 50% chances
So functionally yes, it's a 75% chance on average

[turbid hinge]

yh I know

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/57_Leaf_Clover the wiki has all the math if that helps

[turbid hinge]

the formula is like (x + (1-x).x + ((1-x)^2).x) ....... + ((1-x)^n).x)

where x is base chance and n is number of clovers

[turbid hinge]

wait really

[lavish jacinth]

and if you're wondering, works the same way but it's not in your favor, so instead of rerolling failed procs, it rerolls successful ones, basically making procs have to succeed twice in a row in order to work

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[turbid hinge]

my internet is so bad messages are being sent eons after I send them

[lavish jacinth]

oh lol

[fiery oriole]

Can Artifacts be enabled on eclipse mode?

[analog brook]

Nope. Can't enter the bulwark's ambry either

[fiery oriole]

How does Eccentric Vase exactly works??

I got it on Simulacrum and I can’t get into it

[daring cloak]

You point the thing at any surface and use it to create a tunnel

Then you get close to the orb at your end of that tunnel and interact with it like you do with any interactable

[analog brook]

Btw it is currently bugged and sometimes it just ends right infront of you

But what wertus said is correct otherwise

[lavish jacinth]

that only happens if you have bolstering lantern btw

[mellow crystal]

that's such a weird condition for the bug wtf

[lavish jacinth]

and it still works if you fire it straight up so you can at least pillar skip

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, somehow it collides with lantern's radius effect

[analog brook]

I've seen two people arguing with each other because one has supposedly had it happen with no bolstern so atp idk

[lavish jacinth]

I've tested it and bolstering is definitely what causes it

but vase itself is also just kinda janky so it wouldn't surprise me if it got caught on terrain or something

[daring cloak]

I am curious though if other items may have the same effect for some reason

[lavish jacinth]

that's also possible

[fiery oriole]

Does Simulacrum ever ends? Or it’s unlimited?

And I can’t save I guess.. even with ProperSave installed

[full apex]

goes until you crash

or die

[fiery oriole]

Meh 😒

In every wave after 50 are the enemies going stronger and stronger?

[full apex]

its meant to be unlimited, same as the main game really

most people just go until they get bored and then die. a buyable ending isnt really necessary

it will just keep scaling up until the scaling breaks, and nothing is able to spawn

[fiery oriole]

I see. Yes if you go OP then it’s going boring unfortunately.

Anyway thanks ! At least got my achievement

[full apex]

yup, once you fully break then you kinda just choose when to stop.

usually when im ready to end, i just keep playing but dont ever leave the void

the damage will eventually kill you, as long as you dont go back in bounds. so seeing how long you last there can be funny

[peak jacinth]

would be nice to have some kind of obliteration portal after 50

[ionic igloo]

there's a mod for that

[full apex]

I guess, but it wouldn't really be any different from just dying any other way. And i dont think they wanted to have like rewards for different waves

[novel lion]

is the dlc worth buying now?

[compact wolf]

They're still adding to it but it's definitely improved as is

You can give feedback for changes here https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/8155077/Discord

[livid wedge]

Oh, I didn't know about that. I'll take that now

Survey done. Hope that helps y'all

[tame rivet]

How were the Twisted elites changed? I can't find any information on them and haven't done any long runs recently so I don't necessarily encounter them

[livid wedge]

Their aura used to give allied monsters an aura that did 2.5% of your(?) health in damage whenever you hit them

If you had any kind of aoe, you could potentially kill yourself with the reflected damage

I like the new twisted designs but I think the charging of the bomb and the bomb speed is a little too slow

[tame rivet]

I did do a minor search in the #1315779838187147275 and found some feedback on the twisted elites. They definitely sound way too weak now if they're supposed to be on the same level as Malachite & Celestine Elites. I do like the Gilded elite changes but jeez can they crash your game if you attack too fast.

[quasi crystal]

The projectile can be destroyed easily it's pretty sad

[noble linden]

Can someone give me tips for the 4th stage boss?

Everytime I attempt it it kills me around halfway with a oneshot

[high forum]

Which boss?

[fresh umbra]

Assuming imp overlord, learn the timing to jump over the spikes it throws and the positioning to not land back on them or step on them (the delay between the “windup” and the throw is always the same). Don’t get too close when it winds up lest you take massive bleed damage. Also, get out of range if you hear the high-pitched noise it makes, which indicates its melee attack

I personally don’t have an easy to explain strategy for the other stage 4 bosses

[quasi crystal]

Magma worms just don't stand close it's completely harmless if you aren't close, Solus controls idk I always just insta kill them

[noble linden]

The one with the big hands

[noble linden]

Is that the guy in the meadows part

Cause the one I fight is like really bright and on fire

[noble linden]

I don’t get what’s happening

[balmy stirrup]

is there anything on risk of rain 2 ever getting crossplay? i really wanna play with my friends, but i dont own consoles, i mainly play on pc & cant do controller

[high forum]

Nope

[balmy stirrup]

that's ass, i know they mentioned it a while back, but i guess it's not important, which sucks

[high forum]

No, they’ve never promised it

[tall birch]

How do you unlock the predatory instincts?

Or whatever the item is called

I think that’s what it’s called?

[fiery oriole]

Is there any build creator site? I just would like to save some builds or save notes with game’s item icons. Anything else than tier maker.

[tall birch]

Yes, google docs

[fiery oriole]

I found a build planner that you click items and place them. Seems more easy than Google docs. Thanks anyway!

[quasi crystal]

@tall birch 200% attack speed

[tall birch]

Wha

[quasi crystal]

Reach 200% attack speed to unlock

[tall birch]

Oh thank you

[main sluice]

can on-hit proc items proc themselves? like if your only item is 1 atg missile and u get a proc, does its proc coefficient of 1 give it a 10% chance to proc itself or only other items?

[livid wedge]

Whenever an item proc, it gets masked against further procs in the chain

So you can't atg into atg

However, if you have atg and ukulele, your attack can trigger both and then those procs can trigger the other

[main sluice]

ty

[lavish jacinth]

grandparents? When they're at 50% health they do an attack that sets everything around them on fire for a while. It works the same as a wandering vagrant explosion, just stay behind cover until it ends and you'll be fine

there'll be shadows on the ground that give you a general idea of where's safe to stand

[quasi crystal]

I kinda forget that they can even do that because I usually kill them incredibly fast along with the fact helminth doesn't have them and I usually dream for it

How quickly does the sun debuff stack

[lavish jacinth]

1 stack every 0.5s, both for overheat and burn

[slim hill]

Hiii, p new noita player w 100% in ror2. Loving it so far.
Help me settle a debate please lol. Can you break the game more in noita or ror2? Like imagine a few loops in both when are you more op and broken?

[fresh umbra]

That’s grandparent. The thing that’s killing you is likely the attack where it summons a ball of light high above it. When that happens, find shade to stand in. Note that it also kills enemies

Also that’s stage 5

[slim spoke]

ror2 has a handicap
noita just refuses to stop having seizures

[lavish jacinth]

Noita probably has a higher ceiling for broken-ness, but both games allow you to reach a point where you're pretty much unkillable and everything dies the moment you so much as exist near it.
(Granted, I say that as someone who has way more hours in ror2 than in Noita so that estimation might be a little off, but I know you can do some ridiculously broken builds in that game)

[fiery oriole]

Why isn't Prismatic Trial button shown on modded RoR2 ? Is there any way to bypass it?

[lavish jacinth]

the whole idea of prismatic trials is that everyone plays the same seed and competes for the best time and score, mods aren't allowed because the game needs to be the same for everyone

[daring cloak]

Prismatic trials are disabled for modded so people cant just cheat themselves into the leaderboard

[daring cloak]

Oh yeah seeding too

[fiery oriole]

Ah I see, don't know how it works. Will find out now. Thanks

[lavish jacinth]

there might be a mod that lets you play modded trials without submitting to the leaderboard though, #ror2-modding would probably know

[fiery oriole]

I just need the achievment. Will play unmodded. Okey

[quasi crystal]

There are mods that let you play the trial without being able to get a time on the leaderboard

https://thunderstore.io/package/Risky_Lives/RiskyFixes/

[slim hill]

dw Ik lmao

Seen this reposted more times than I can count

I need to know which one is the most thoe

[livid wedge]

Noira probably

Mostly because of the wand system as my friend describes it

I've never played it

[lavish jacinth]

it's kinda hard to say which one is the "most" broken

but I guess it would have to be noita by default considering you can literally destroy the entire world if you become powerful enough

[peak jacinth]

Gungeon not getting too out of hand 💀

[lavish jacinth]

arbitrary dps cap:

[peak jacinth]

the makeshift cannon in question:

[lavish jacinth]

idr what that even is, I didn't play gungeon much lol

[lavish jacinth]

I will add that ror2's buildcrafting is a lot simpler than isaac or noita

you can absolutely break the game, but everything just boils down to proc chains eventually

[peak jacinth]

one shot gun that does massive damage, ignores the dps cap, basically any build with it just instantly breaks the game lol

there’s like a handful of items that just instantly break the game

[tender temple]

ok but its still a handful compared to the other shown games

[peak jacinth]

that’s not what the image says, not what I said, and is also pretty obvious

[novel ravine]

do sticky bombs kill proc chains? I thought I heard one time that they have no proc co so if it activates then the chain ends

I could be remembering wrong

[daring cloak]

Thats not entirely how proc chains work

You can proc multiple things in a proc chain

So if you proc a sticky it doesnt continue that branch of the proc chain off the sticky but it doesnt end the other branches

So tldr its just extra damage but doesnt contribute to the proc chain itself

[novel ravine]

W thanks man

[full apex]

yea its a payload, so if it happens its just free damage. it wont kill a chain, just wont continue it. so your chain width and depth will be the same with and without it, just it will add damage whenever it goes off

like the same atg can proc uke and sticky at the same time, so the chain continues either way in that scenario

[mint vigil]

so i was playing ror2 and my healthbar was all red and blue triangles and shi wtf that mean

i have an image but cant send it

[daring cloak]

The red healthbar is from infusion and the blue triangles from the lunar ruin debuff

[lavish jacinth]

the blue triangles are from lunar ruin

[mint vigil]

ok

[wide parrot]

get a #roles to send images

[noble linden]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a new player struggling to beat the game?

Character wise

[mellow crystal]

who d'you have unlocked?

[noble linden]

Uh commando hunter loader the assassin guy with the shotgun the robot with the mini gun engineer mercenary and railgunner

I used engineer and got pretty far but I heard he isn’t good for new people because he plays different from everyone else

[mellow crystal]

can never go wrong with commando and huntress, especially since they're meant to teach you to survive with items (commando) and movement (huntress)
bandit is also fairly easy compared to the other burst characters imo
railgunner is nice and decently easy if you can aim well but i'd say it'd be easier to learn the game a bit more then start trying to beat runs with her

[noble linden]

So I should start with huntress and move on to railgunner when I get more comfortable

[mellow crystal]

that works yea

[noble linden]

Alright thank you

[full apex]

theres some tips pinned in here for general advice, might have to scroll a bit

for characters, bandit is really strong and can be comfy to learn on. commando is fine but much stronger with his alternate skills, and huntress has the lowest damage output of the whole cast by a lot and is the only char with a base health down... so shes very very easy to play because homing, which makes her good for learning items and stages, but can be a bit tougher due to having a bit of a harder time killing stuff. if you are comfortable with her shes plenty fine though

if you can aim railgunner is really really strong tho too so once you are comfortable moving around and fighting she'll feel a lot more impactful damage-wise

[quasi crystal]

Huntress needs her alt special to function it's her only single target damage until you get some good procs

[south aurora]

Will unstable transmitter give you OSP with shaped glass?

[thorn osprey]

hey

I killed False son and now going to fight mithrix in 2nd loop , but id wish to fight voidling after him so I will have killed the three

will that still make me proceed in eclipse

searching tells me otherwise

[thorn osprey]

?

[livid wedge]

Ye, you are able to end the run on any of the final bosses and it will count towards the eclipse clear

You just can't obliterate as the celestial portal doesn't even spawn

[thorn osprey]

oh ok

[livid wedge]

I would say yes as the transmitter stops any instance of damage from reducing your health to less than 25% while it is active whereas OSP only stops an attack that would kill you in one hit while you are at 90% health or greater

[thorn osprey]

done

[livid wedge]

Nice

[analog brook]

As sentiantratpile said above me, yes. But in addition, warped echo also provides immunity to dying in one shot with curse. So If you pick up 10 shaped glass and a wecho, that is effectively a safer spaces

( I refuse to call her garbage because that isn't nice and she isn't garbage)

[thorn osprey]

typical way you build false son ?

[lavish jacinth]

Damn near anything works on him

Even bison steak is good because of his passive

He's just broken af

His charged primary does 1500% and has a 3.0 proc coeff if you use it on the ground, so it's good for both burst and procs

The laser has a ton of damage and procs if you charge it

His secondary applies a stacking debuff that makes enemies take more damage

[thorn osprey]

nice

i saw alot of suggestiosn to take stone flux

but i won't ngl

[turbid hinge]

3 proc coeff?

like he makes stuff roll thrice or what

[analog brook]

Bleeds and DoT's lasts thrice as long, and any on hit chances get tripled
So an ATG goes from 10% to 30%

[thorn osprey]

does shaped glass reduce false son's growth ?

and is it worth it ?

[quasi crystal]

stone flux is fine, because of his passive, it does not completely lower his movement speed but stacking it will start to slow him down significantly
shaped glass does not, false sons growth ignores any health curses

[thorn osprey]

hes really op

i can even skip pillars

ez

bit long though

[lavish jacinth]

proc coeff doesn't change the number of rolls
Coeff directly modifies the initial proc chance, then luck determines how many times that chance gets rolled

[turbid hinge]

I got heretic now

any tips?

[lavish jacinth]

uhhh nothing too specific, just be mindful of the negative regen. Whatever you do don't use since it multiplies regen by 3
(Unless you get first, it disables regen entirely)

I assume you more or less know how her individual skills work?

[turbid hinge]

yh but I am not good at utilizing them properly

[turbid hinge]

should I grab tansedescence if I see it, I still dont understand its merits and downside and interactions

also is attack speed good on him?

[lavish jacinth]

the main upside of transc is the health buff, and the fact that healing items become free scrap. It also has no stacking downside so if you get one, you might as well grab as many as possible

[lavish jacinth]

it's not bad but not great either, it only really affects her primary, and it still has a cooldown

although it does indirectly help her special, overall you get more procs per second from her primary which means more ruin buildup

oh also: Don't stack any of the heresy items except maybe , they all stack pretty badly

[quasi crystal]

doesnt get a cooldown penalty stacked right

i had like 8 and only a 6 second cd

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

the stacking downside with strides is also its upside, the effect lasts 3s longer per stack, but since you can't cancel it you'll have more downtime where you can't attack

[turbid hinge]

is there anything that removes fall damage it looks p dangerous with the insta hp drain,

or is it just a dont fall that kind of fall situation?

[lavish jacinth]

is the only thing that removes it entirely, but you can also use hopoo feathers or a movement ability before landing

and heretic actually gets two built-in hopoo feathers as a passive

oh, also kinda works, it reduces fall damage to 1 since it's based on a % of your non-shield health

[turbid hinge]

oh lol

[turbid hinge]

but how do u heal tho

[lavish jacinth]

that's the downside, you don't

or rather, you have to avoid damage for 7 seconds (technically 9 since it takes 2s to fully regenerate)

so you're tankier and have extra scrap that you can invest into speed or damage or whatever, but you have to manage your health more carefully

[quasi crystal]

warped echo i think still insta regens shield

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't

although the tick damage won't prevent shields/slug/opal from activating

[turbid hinge]

how does red infusion work with it

topaz brooch and personal shield gen still work just fine right?

[thorn osprey]

very true

easy pillar skip

[analog brook]

Yeah they work with transcendence, PSG is still an additional 8% which actually makes it better with transcendence, topaz brooch is a flat amount though so it's the exact same

[thorn osprey]

also it pairs well with

[turbid hinge]

psg counts shields or not?

[thorn osprey]

although you heal about 1 only

[hoary sedge]

yeah it's also shield

plasma shrimp too

[turbid hinge]

and if not does it count pre or post the inc

[lavish jacinth]

it takes whatever your base hp would be, increases it by 50%, then converts all but 1 of it into shields. So infusion would give you an extra 150 hp (assuming you only have 1 stack of transc)

[turbid hinge]

how didnt we say no healing

[hoary sedge]

wait I'm dumb you were asking if it counts shields. yes it does

[thorn osprey]

it lets you recharge your shields since you are invulnerable

[turbid hinge]

ahh

[lavish jacinth]

regular shields don't benefit from the transc health buff iirc, so psg gives 8% of whatever your health would be pre-transc and adds that

[analog brook]

Transcendence is awesome because printers and soups become so free <33

[turbid hinge]

will pick it up if i find it then

[analog brook]

I think they do. Abused it in my max HP run and im p sure it was multiplied by trans

Could be wrong but that's what my heart tells me

[thorn osprey]

medkit ?

[lavish jacinth]

wiki says otherwise, and I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure that psg doesn't get multiplied

[analog brook]

Huh

[lavish jacinth]

%-based healing is based on health post-transc so you only get 1hp

although medkit does give a flat 20 that doesn't get affected, but it doesn't stack

[turbid hinge]

isnt medkit 5%

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's 5% + 20

[turbid hinge]

how

didnt u say just 1 hp?

[lavish jacinth]

the 5% gets reduced to 1, but the 20 still gets added

so you'd get 21 overall

not that it really matters since healing doesn't affect shields

[turbid hinge]

oh it has a 5% + the flat 20

always

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[turbid hinge]

btw when u check for sth do u just use wiki or is there another resource/database

sheets anything

or is there a test tool in game or what

[lavish jacinth]

the wiki + debug mods (mainly debugtoolkit and lookingglass) + 1k hours of my own experience

[hoary sedge]

this also makes really bad with btw, since you can really only activate it off of flat healing (which usually is pretty weak)

[livid wedge]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Risk_of_Rain_2_Wiki

[lavish jacinth]

the ror2 wiki is pretty good though

[turbid hinge]

i swore off after what happened 2 days ago lol

[lavish jacinth]

it's like a lot of game wikis, anything that's totally objective like item stats or how mechanics is almost always accurate, but subjective stuff like game strategy should be taken with a grain of salt

[livid wedge]

Isn't bleed the only DoT affected by proc chance?

[turbid hinge]

fextra begs to differ

[livid wedge]

Maybe, but counterpoint
Fextra is doody

[lavish jacinth]

I don't even know what that is

[turbid hinge]

a wiki

like fandom

but even worse

[lavish jacinth]

all status effects are affected by coeff except expose

[turbid hinge]

they put deliberate misinfo and stuff and keep arguing about it

[hoary sedge]

how does it affect collapse

[livid wedge]

I mean DoTs specifically, not all status effects

[lavish jacinth]

oh I guess collapse kinda isn't

[livid wedge]

Or Ignite

[lavish jacinth]

the chance to proc it gets affected but the actual debuff doesn't change

[hoary sedge]

oh ok lmao, ig that makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

all DoTs are affected besides collapse, it's just that a lot of them come from sources that always have a 1.0 proc coeff

but that's why behemoth can't apply poison for example, theoretically it could since it inherits the poisonous damage type, but 0 coeff means the effect doesn't get applied

[livid wedge]

Burn is affected by proc coef? I thought it was always 50% damage of the attack that ignited

I'm talking about length of the dot, not the chance of applying it

[lavish jacinth]

so am I, if the coeff is 0 then the duration is 0 so it never gets applied

[lavish jacinth]

I think on-hit burn is, yeah. Unless it's an exception like gasoline or grandparent sun that applies the DoT directly without an initial proc

[livid wedge]

Okay, but if one ability has a proc of 2 and another has a proc of 1 and both deal the same damage, the first one will burn for longer or make poison last longer?

[lavish jacinth]

dots are tracked individually so the first one would last longer

dunno about poison since applying a new stack resets duration

with bleed, the the highest duration takes priority so it only refreshes upwards, but idk if they would've done the same for poison since it doesn't stack anyway

[turbid hinge]

should i get the sqwak

lol

[livid wedge]

I mean, if you want to lose an ability until you can replace the cleansed item, go for it

[lavish jacinth]

the ultimate gamble would be to hope for an irradiant pearl, then go to the bazaar and hope for the right item to replace the skill you lost

better yet, do it at the end of the stage with a blue portal already waiting, then gamble away all of your skills. If you're incredibly lucky you get 4 irradiant pearls and then get all 4 skills back in the bazaar

and if that happens you should buy a lottery ticket lol

[turbid hinge]

lol, note that I dont have infinite lunar coins

[lavish jacinth]

it wouldn't be gambling if you did

[turbid hinge]

I nearly killed myself with sth super dumb

I need to send this clip

dumbest clip of the year

[lavish jacinth]

lol

[turbid hinge]

genesis loop was just perfect for the dramatic effect

[ocean knoll]

Why would you use that as bird

Horrible idea

[turbid hinge]

I was possessed by the devil

heresy

[livid wedge]

Does the chance doll stacks stack linearly and max out at 7 stacks?

[analog brook]

Yups yups

[final sonnet]

If I stack 101% chance on Sonorous would enemies be able to drop two items

[wide parrot]

no

[final sonnet]

:(

[turbid hinge]

guys I noticed that heretic doesnt have any achievments, does that mean that if I do sth with him it will count towards original char achievment or not?

like killing overloading worm with commando

ig not but wanna make sure

[high forum]

no, heretic is a different character

[lavish jacinth]

you can beat eclipse with heretic and it'll count for the original character, but you can't get any other character-specific unlocks

[turbid hinge]

wtf elder lemurians are a boss
never knew that

do they have a boss item?

[lavish jacinth]

they're not, horde of many is its own thing

[turbid hinge]

never saw it b4

[lavish jacinth]

iirc it's like a failsafe in case the director can't afford to spawn a proper boss for whatever reason

it doesn't happen very often

there also isn't a boss item for it

[mellow crystal]

i could've sworn i've gotten shatterspleen from an imp horde of many once

[ionic igloo]

there's at least one mod that give hordes of many an appropriate boss item

[turbid hinge]

what r those reasobs

[lavish jacinth]

the wiki explains it, but tl;dr it's complicated

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Directors

[turbid hinge]

hmmm

it isnt that complicated, but I would guess going for a fast pace would make this more likely?

since u didnt have time to level up the scaling

and hence higher chance of picking a too expensive elite champion

[lavish jacinth]

sorta, but it can also just choose a cheaper boss to spawn instead

[turbid hinge]

I dont think it is a coincedence I see it in my first fast paced run

like I always reach meadows in around 80 min (yes lol)

now I reached it in 40 and saw it for first time

i know this is stil slow pace

loader achievment requires u to obliterate in 25 min

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, sky meadows at 40min isn't exactly fast paced either, that's usually around when I get there and I don't see them that often. Although mountain shrines seem to make them more common sometimes

[turbid hinge]

yh relatively fast for me as I said

[lavish jacinth]

you basically have to hit a very specific sweet spot in the amount of credits the director has

and the boss director can also pull credits from other credit pools when spawning stuff which makes it harder to determine when exactly you might get one

like theoretically, spawning a single wisp could potentially be the difference between a normal boss and a horde (I think)

[turbid hinge]

got myself a new pet

[turbid hinge]

when I get I will be happy that I got the rare thingy and thats enough lol

heretic was super fun

now I never played merc

and never played captain for a long run

and last proper archer run was a long time ago

oh also this wa supposed to be the commando run

and I didnt unlock rex yet

and I am quite awful at arti

ok lots of options

[thorn osprey]

do you prefer forced assault or BA with slicing winds ?

I almost always use eviscrete so I have no idea

[mellow crystal]

personally i tend to use focused since expose tech focused assault + slicing winds is two expose procs + one extra application of expose on every enemy it hits
afaik they both work tho

[thorn osprey]

does it matter if i increase my as

btw do you prefer ww or rising thunder

[mellow crystal]

as?

[thorn osprey]

rising thunder is much better imo

[thorn osprey]

attack speed

[mellow crystal]

expose tech always works regardless of attack speed, the timing is just different

so not necessarily?

[lavish jacinth]

iirc it becomes impossible with enough attack speed unless you use the hitpause trick

[thorn osprey]

If I got tonic I balance things by a light flux , since 2 sec reduction is very good as well

[thorn osprey]

if it involves pausing so no thanks

[mellow crystal]

damn
in that case just don't stack it too much, i've been able to do it consistently with like 4-5 syringes tho

[lavish jacinth]

attack speed also has negative interactions with both of his secondaries so it AS is pretty meh on him overall

[lavish jacinth]

I mean the little pause that happens when you hit an enemy

[thorn osprey]

hmm

anyway light flux is good

[lavish jacinth]

you can see it here, the way it sorta stutters as he moves forward https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/820804193493057586/imagine_taking_visions_on_merc.mp4?size=4096

if you're close enough to an enemy that they get hit as soon as the sword hitbox comes out, it'll give you a few frames of hitstop that make it pretty easy to hit the tech consistently

[thorn osprey]

k

does expose extending work on slicing winds

[lavish jacinth]

technically yes, but not the way you'd think

all the expose tech does is allow the sword hitbox to persist after using another skill, instead of getting cancelled

so you can't like throw your sword with swinds, you'd just get the hitbox in front of you like a normal sword swing

[tepid ridge]

are the chests spawned at randoms pots or are there pre-made spots and it chooses randomly out of those?

[lavish jacinth]

they spawn on the same nodegraph that enemies use for pathfinding

so it's more or less random, but they'll always be in spots that are reachable

only exception would be predetermined spawns like newt altars or the legendary chests on stage 4

[fervent monolith]

how do i unlock void fiend

[steady stone]

Defeat voidling or get wave 50 in simulacrum (or 30, if I'm wrong)

It should say when you hover over him

[fervent monolith]

voidling is that void planet boss that creates a big bang when dying right

[steady stone]

Possibly, but that could be referring to a devastator

There's 3 normal void enemies, and voidling is the boss in the Planetarium

[fervent monolith]

ye im talking about the boss

[steady stone]

Accessed either through progressing through Void Fields > locus > planetarium, purple portal locus > planetarium, or the frog after mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

voidling is the really huge crab that has its own boss stage, yeah

[lavish jacinth]

and yea it's 50

[fervent monolith]

i was in a godrun and almost killed him, then i flinged it to a place that a couldnt reach and died to the void 😭

[steady stone]

Unfortunate. I've seen it happen on merc before though.

iirc there's no death barrier on the side or something?

[fervent monolith]

nope

[steady stone]

I really am surprised we don't have an emote for voidling, but I guess just for space
I always think that doesn't exactly capture him lol

[lavish jacinth]

because that emote is supposed to be viend, not voidling

and also because nobody likes voidling

[steady stone]

Really? I always thought it was circular, like him

[lavish jacinth]

it's void fiends' head

[steady stone]

Actually I do see the similarity. I don't play viend that much I guess, or look close.

I always saw it as the helmet like Mando, so hard to imagine a mouth

[fervent monolith]

what do you main?

[steady stone]

I normally just chat in discussion or answer questions nowadays, but probably

[fervent monolith]

yo, where is the frog

that u use to go to voidling

[steady stone]

During the escape, it's where you entered the moon

Past the ship

[fervent monolith]

kay, thx

[livid wedge]

Do the void field cells charge at the same rate as the teleporters?

Nah, looks like they're 60 seconds instead of 90s

[livid wedge]

Hmm, I think I found a new bug

It seems like having and the gilded aspect, the activation of the ground spike counts as an equipment active and triggers

[ionic igloo]

Is it not

[livid wedge]

Normally elite aspects do not have any sort of activation ability. They all provide passive benefits

Nevermind, checking the wiki, I guess it does

[eternal storm]

uhhhh

[latent oyster]

An absurd bug that doesn't originate from console? Fascinating

[eternal storm]

Yeah I died to mithrix and was revived by a seeker and spawned on the lower area, tried to see if I could pet the glass frog while mithrix was still alive

The seeker actually ended up dying and I had to come back to mithrix for the last bit, luckily it let me into the arena

[latent oyster]

At least it didn't break lol

[noble linden]

I played railgunner today and she’s really good

My only issue is getting caught up in hardscoping

I made it to what I assume is an important area cause there was a big slope thing

But I died almost instantly

[mellow crystal]

yeahh that's why rail mains tend to quickscope instead

[noble linden]

Ohhhh

[full apex]

shes reaaaaally mobile with her mine

since she has no range falloff, you can get pretty far away from stuff if needed. you can see them through walls even while aimed so you can abuse that too

[noble linden]

Does anyone have any tips for the last stage? I’ve tried it 3 times now and don’t understand what I’m doing wrong

[full apex]

moon?

[quasi crystal]

Commencement or sky meadow/helminth hatchery @noble linden

If commencement boy do I got a cool trick to show you with railgunner

https://youtu.be/v45b74EKR1s

[noble linden]

Commencement

[noble linden]

This thing

[quasi crystal]

Yeah watch that video, this is itemless, with and this is even easier

[noble linden]

So the goal is to get on the big tree thing and then there’s a boss?

[quasi crystal]

The goal is to get on the tree

[noble linden]

okay cause I was just running around and getting killed that makes more sense

[quasi crystal]

Normally there are pillars on the islands, you need to do at least 4 then a warp pad opens

[noble linden]

I’ll try the skip on my next run

[quasi crystal]

They are mass, soul, design and blood
Mass is like a normal teleporter event; soul charges faster but loses progress when you leave the zone, design attacks you, blood drains your hp but is very fast

[noble linden]

Is there a way to tell which is which

[quasi crystal]

yes

[full apex]

I like this map

[weary siren]

Okay, so I don't have SoTS yet because I wanted to 100% complete SoTV first, including the logbook, but no matter what I reference I can't seem to figure out what these two missing spots are? If anyone could help it'd be much appreciated ❤️

[livid wedge]

Can we get a picture of the second page?

[eternal storm]

yeah i was honestly surprised it still functioned properly

a similar situation happened with false son one time and everything completely broke

[weary siren]

Heres that second page, though I already know all of the ones missing on it

[livid wedge]

Alright, it looks bottom right is the voidling

And, funnily enough, the other question mark is the scorch worm from sots

Which I believe is either bugged because it happened to me even when I didn't have dlcs or because it can show up in one of the bulwarks ambry variants

[weary siren]

thats really weird... any idea which one of the bulwarks ambry it is by chance?

[livid wedge]

If I had to guess, probably the scorched acres variant since they can spawn on scorched acres

[weary siren]

Thank ya, I apprecaite your help!!!

[quasi crystal]

Bug reports show they can spawn in bulwarks ambry without dlc

[crude hemlock]

is there any vague reasoning for why we can go from absolutley deleting shit in monsoon on stage 7, to being anhilated on stage 8

literally died on level 8 likeeeee 4 times the past few days

stage 7 boss, 5 jellys gone in 20 seconds, melting eveyrthing. I was the void guy and literally cleared the teleport solo the level before. Go into stage 8 and some vulture just blow me out of the sky

previous run, get to stage 8 and literal rats killed us both 10 seconds apart lo

[flint prawn]

difficulty scaling multiplies per stage

[crude hemlock]

I mean sure but even on the stage, I melted an imp lord and elite mini gun pot dudes. I guess just RNG but jhez

[ruby roost]

The malachite guys hit pretty hard and especially since new types of enemies like scavs show up on stage 7 and 8 I can see how easy it would be to die on that stage especially since scavs without the relic are the only enemies to pick up player items by random

[crude hemlock]

Ha yeah the previous run we were like oh shit the skav, started blap blaping and then yeah couple of rats ripped us a new one

[ruby roost]

I be focusing them the moment I see them hitting them with everything I've got till they perish lol

[crude hemlock]

https://youtu.be/uTsE7x_FfAs?si=HYHr-RIIhfOZjdvM

[lavish jacinth]

more dangerous enemy pools and director credit shenanigans

[crude hemlock]

And this was like 3 mins before
https://youtu.be/Q3YJG-vIo4E?si=gmDcfVf3RoJhq8sp

[ruby roost]

John what ps do you play on

Ps4 or ps5

[crude hemlock]

Neither, I'm on steam

[lavish jacinth]

I think stage 8-9 usually hits a breakpoint where the game can consistently afford to start throwing stronger stuff like scavs and t2 elites at you, whereas stage 6-7 you're basically just fighting regular early-game enemies with better stats

[lavish jacinth]

you can post clips here directly if you have a role btw, #roles . Don't need to mess around with youtube

[crude hemlock]

I seee

[ruby roost]

Damn bru the quality of the videos is trash I'm ngl stuck at 360p can't see any items you got

[lavish jacinth]

upload limit on the server is 100mb too

[crude hemlock]

Hahah yeah this is Steam video player, sending the clip to my phone, to then send up to YT

[ruby roost]

If you were on ps5 or sum you'd get 100× better results on quality

[crude hemlock]

Yeah this is just steam compression for sending it to mobile

[crude hemlock]

Ah nice

[lavish jacinth]

youtube also takes a while to process videos at higher resolution

you just get the 360p version until that's done

[ruby roost]

Anyway the items you had Def didn't help you in your damage output usually at stage 7 and 8 for me I'm destroying the bosses in mere seconds without a thought

[crude hemlock]

This is coop

[ruby roost]

Even in co-op

[lavish jacinth]

co-op has higher scaling

[ruby roost]

I'm well aware

[crude hemlock]

Hmm I only find that with errr bandit or sniper

[ruby roost]

Hm

[crude hemlock]

I think my mate was playing commando

[ruby roost]

What build do you normally run

[crude hemlock]

And I grefied us by accidentally taking Scorpion red

[lavish jacinth]

why would that grief you

[crude hemlock]

And messing with the item converter and getting a bad yellow lol

[ruby roost]

Scorp is good it perm removes defense every hit

[crude hemlock]

Ah was thinking of when I was on sniper

[ruby roost]

Ah item converter

[lavish jacinth]

which bad yellow? because you've got a shatterspleen in that video

[crude hemlock]

One run was sniper/command and another was void and command

[lavish jacinth]

oh you mean in a different run

[livid wedge]

Shatterspleen kind of mid on railgunner

[crude hemlock]

Yeah sorry merged two runs.

I think I turned the knurl into the beetle guard

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, that's technically better lol

[ruby roost]

The extra friends aren't bad

[lavish jacinth]

guard isn't amazing but knurl is trash

[crude hemlock]

Is it? We usually need the hp haha

[ruby roost]

Knurl is like a "eh fuck it" kind of item

[crude hemlock]

I was hoping for better but

[lavish jacinth]

it's less than two steaks worth of health and about half a slug

[crude hemlock]

Really, interesting

[ruby roost]

U gotta run more defensive your hp will go up by the hundreds faster than you think

[lavish jacinth]

beetle guard at least gives you a permanent meat shield that draws aggro

[wind kernel]

someone thats an expert
i need help on trying to understand how warbonds work

[crude hemlock]

Yeah I don't mind him tbh

Except when I shoot him instead

[ruby roost]

They're a bright bright green color and their eyes are a solid like yellow or sum

Shouldn't be too hard to tell who's who when u run it enough

[crude hemlock]

Haha yeah

[ruby roost]

A build I suggest is critical bleed with alot alot of plates and dps

Try to get shrimpy too

Stack up on atgs

Get pocket

[crude hemlock]

Yeah plates I think was what I was missing

[lavish jacinth]

during boss fights it fires 5 missiles that deal 2.5% of the boss's health, plus 1 extra missile for every small chest's worth of gold that you earned on that stage up to 20(+5 per stack)

[crude hemlock]

I had like +8 shrimps

[ruby roost]

Holy shit every chest??? I didn't know that part

I'm assuming just a normal chest or like one of the little barrels?

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it doesn't matter, it's just the amount of gold

[ruby roost]

Hm

[lavish jacinth]

specifically it's just every 25 gold you earn, but the required amount increases over time like chests

[ruby roost]

I see

[wind kernel]

2.5% of bos max hp? like counting all the bosses?

[lavish jacinth]

repulsion plate wouldn't have helped much by stage 8 tbh, unless you had a ton of them

[ruby roost]

So you'd get 1 extra missile for like every 75 gold pretty much

[lavish jacinth]

no, one extra missile for every 25 gold

[ruby roost]

Averaging for increase

[crude hemlock]

I may also be wrong but with the void guy I was struggling as you can't really take void mushrooms an that

So trying to stack shield is hard if rng is against u

[lavish jacinth]

whatever a small chest costs on that stage, that's what you have to earn for one missile

[ruby roost]

Stage 1 would be 25

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[crude hemlock]

Like doing 7 stages and not seeing one crowbar as rail gunner 💀

[ruby roost]

But stage 20 would be like 2k

[lavish jacinth]

something like that

[ruby roost]

Hell nah I'd reload and put cyi on

[lavish jacinth]

your best bet for defense is mixing health increases with armor and blocking

[ruby roost]

Safer spaces and opal

[lavish jacinth]

etc

[ruby roost]

Yes

[lavish jacinth]

don't just go all in on one thing though

[wind kernel]

ok now i understand

[ruby roost]

Get atleast 5 stack

[lavish jacinth]

of each? or just overall

[crude hemlock]

Yeah maybe I'm too much in the good offence is a good defence haha

[ruby roost]

Of each

[lavish jacinth]

nnnnnnahhhhhhhhhh

[ruby roost]

Yuhhhh

[lavish jacinth]

you really don't need (or want) that much unless you're actively going for a tank build lol

[ruby roost]

At stage 8 only having 1 of each won't do much help

[crude hemlock]

How would you even get the rng for it let alone enough items to melt

To make them of you found the crafters

[lavish jacinth]

honestly it's better to invest in speed and damage, avoid most hits and try to let stuff like opal and SS eat the hits you do take

also, void fiend gets 100 armor when corrupted

[ruby roost]

Insane armor

[lavish jacinth]

oh also, were you guys rushing stages? 60 minutes seems a little fast for stage 8

[crude hemlock]

Ohh. Maybe when it dropped with when I got clapped

[crude hemlock]

Hmm nah we full clear

[ruby roost]

Mul-T gets 100 armor aswell when he does his second special

[lavish jacinth]

100 armor is basically double hp

X armor = +X% effective health

[crude hemlock]

Those clips are even longer than normal actually

As my mate died the previous two stages at the tele

And I had to solo them both

[lavish jacinth]

mmmm you sure? because if you're full clearing and taking time to use printers and stuff, it usually takes a lot longer

[ruby roost]

Like 80 minutes

[lavish jacinth]

like, I usually get to stage 5 at around 40 minutes

[crude hemlock]

I mean solo it would maybe be longer but since we both loop the maps it's faster

[lavish jacinth]

fair enough, I don't usually do multiplayer lol

[crude hemlock]

I only don't like hanging around that shitty acid valley level longer than I need to by yeh

He's cleared mithrix on monsoon with bandit and I've done engi solo but yh otherwise we just coop everything

[ruby roost]

I've beaten the game with almost every character I haven't with chef rail and seek yet

And heretic

[crude hemlock]

So I was surprised when people took longer, but maybe I'm keeping too many items and not using the crafters for def

[lavish jacinth]

I've done it with all of them many, many times at this point lol. Except the new ones, I haven't had time to play a whole lot since sots

[wind kernel]

@lavish jacinth]\

i just realized how warbonds are broken in engi

[lavish jacinth]

they're broken in general lol

[ruby roost]

False son is broken

[lavish jacinth]

oh believe me, I'm well aware

[crude hemlock]

Haha yeah I just meant in terms of what we have managed, since we started playing a few weeks ago

Just yeah so many runs get to 8 and die haha

[ruby roost]

And seek had a great build

[lavish jacinth]

I've beaten the game with every character, but the new guys I've only done once or twice compared to dozens of wins with the others

[wind kernel]

u can get the same thing as 60 stack of warbond if youre using roll of pennies and helfire insta killing the boss ?

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much

and a few stacks of is all you need to basically guarantee that the boss dies, since it's a % of their health

oh, and the missiles can proc too

[wind kernel]

dumbest red in the game

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I'm betting it'll get nerfed lol. It's op enough that it's not even fun, it just kinda removes bosses from the game

[ruby roost]

I never use it because of that reason

That build is just boring

[wind kernel]

i just realized they dont have damage falloff

[ruby roost]

I like watching their health get melted or seeing them all just explode on fire or be sent to the void

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, same with .
It's a shame because I actually think the items are cool in theory, they're just not fun to play with

[ruby roost]

Yuhp

[wind kernel]

i feel like theyre spare drone parts is fun, because u still need to be actively pickign up drones

warbonds is just autoplaying the game without u needing to do anything

[ruby roost]

Just get

[wind kernel]

bro we're not playing command 24/7

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, that's not really 'active'

[ruby roost]

No no no it works with every character

[lavish jacinth]

the drones do 99% of the work, you just walk around and hit e on stuff

[ruby roost]

Command isn't even that good either

[wind kernel]

??

[lavish jacinth]

artifact of command, not commando

[ruby roost]

Mb

[wind kernel]

oh sorry youre new here sorry

[ruby roost]

I haven't slept yet

And no I'm not new been playing the game since it launched on ps4

[wind kernel]

true

but most player... that even pick up spare drone parts somehow dont buy drones so it cancels out

[ruby roost]

Idk why they're the most useful part of the game

Just get like 4 and ur chillin

[lavish jacinth]

the only reason people don't buy drones is because they haven't realized how useful they can be lol

[wind kernel]

im just speaking from experience for playing 99% of the game in multiplayer

[wind kernel]

this

[lavish jacinth]

the aggro tanking is great and equipment drones can carry with the right item

[ruby roost]

Well aware my friends

[lavish jacinth]

drone my beloved

[ruby roost]

YES

[wind kernel]

also same people that dont bother scrapping cause its boring as wasting time, and still spend 10 minutes every time going to newt to reroll for the 100x time

[ruby roost]

😭😭😭

They j stack up on fr

Get 5 of those u don't gotta scrap nun

[wind kernel]

no theyre trying to get their lunar worth, 5 ideal lunar item every visit, for pearls or just gesture spamming

again its not command artifact

[ruby roost]

I don't get lunar items I think they're kinda dookie unlike the for its cool down reduction

[ruby roost]

Key words my friend

[lavish jacinth]

they can all be good if used right, some are just more niche than others

[ruby roost]

True that

[wind kernel]

another thing

[ruby roost]

The only ones besides purity I've deemed picking up on just a whim if I get it NO COMMAND BTW since u have a issue with the artifact... but the ones I would get are and a sots one i forget it's name