ror2-game-questions

[crude hemlock]

We didnt

its just what i had read you "should" do

[lavish jacinth]

good lol, that's terrible advice

[crude hemlock]

yeah I cant work out with our power levels, why moon was like pure brick wall

we could have looped again but yeah i think we were like 50mins in by that point

I did take that stupid void clover so I had an ass load of silly reds that didnt do me any favours but

[lavish jacinth]

50 minutes on stage 10 still sounds like you were going pretty fast, usually I'd be at stage 5 or 6 by then lol
always better to fully loot rather than just rushing to the teleporter

[crude hemlock]

we do full loot usually unless its like the other side of the stage

like not going across the map as loader for one white box but

byt the time we loop id say we are in hahaha maybe

id have to go look at the stats

[lavish jacinth]

...I mean, if there's anyone who can afford to go across the stage for one chest, it's loader. But I get what you're saying

[crude hemlock]

aha i meant er the lil robot guy

[lavish jacinth]

ideally you try to plan a route that takes you around the whole stage without much backtracking

[crude hemlock]

yeh we have oblit with loader/huntress/comando. yesterday we would have done railgunner and lil robot guy but yeah

moon stage feels like a HUGE leap

i did think should we just be going there without looping

[lavish jacinth]

you can definitely beat mithrix without looping, depends on your items and how confident you are tho

but yeah, the moon is always a bit of a reality check

[crude hemlock]

just git gud then

[lavish jacinth]

wisp chimeras are one of the only enemies I still fear after like 1k hours lol

[crude hemlock]

ah the floaty guys, year I mean i dont think i even dented it

[timber prism]

Pillars still being the bane of everyone's existence years later

[lavish jacinth]

the one good thing about the moon is that enemies spawn really slowly there, so once you clear out the initial spawns you're usually pretty safe

[crude hemlock]

i seee

[lavish jacinth]

just try to use cover wherever you can and pick stuff off, and if it feels like you're getting overwhelmed, just run and create some distance

the grounded enemies can't easily follow you across the different islands and the wisps are slow

[crude hemlock]

so as a general rule of thumb, faster=worse

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, if you're leaving behind a bunch of items for the sake of going faster, yeah

[crude hemlock]

like we thought man maybe we need to just charge the portal on each level ight away

[lavish jacinth]

obviously faster is better but you don't wanna leave stuff behind, time management is more about efficiency than speed

[crude hemlock]

make sense

[lavish jacinth]

a good rule of thumb is to do everything you can on a stage and still try to leave with more items than minutes

[timber prism]

Every time that happens the enemies end up outscaling you by stage 2 or 3 so it's a pointless difficulty increase

[crude hemlock]

its when you arse around for a box and its oh great mushroom i wont use, that was worth the 3 extra mins rn

[timber prism]

Just gotta deal with it and hope for a scrapper

[lavish jacinth]

and it can be worth spending some extra time to optimize your build, like finding scrappers and printers and stuff

[quasi crystal]

unless youre on drizzle by satage 3 the enemies will have a high enough exp scale to go past u

[crude hemlock]

yeah fair point

[lavish jacinth]

even useless items can still be scrapped, every item is a resource

[crude hemlock]

ohh handt even thought about that

[crude hemlock]

ah yeah I just mean vs the time it took to get it

[quasi crystal]

so dont waste time but do not feel like you need to leave chests and trishops behind

[crude hemlock]

or like we still dont have the Band buttons drilled so we can end up arseing about to open that door

Ok cool cool, taking notes

[lavish jacinth]

fun fact btw: enemy gold drops scale in real time, but chest prices only update at the start of a stage, so looting actually gets more efficient if you hang around longer. But if you rush, chest prices keep catching up and you'll constantly be in that phase where farming takes forever

also difficulty scaling increases by 15% for every stage you complete, so there's some really good incentive to make the most of every stage and not rush

[crude hemlock]

intresting

[lavish jacinth]

(ngl one of my biggest complaints about ror2's learning curve is that the game constantly reminds you about the timer, but never really emphasizes the importance of looting, it just kinda assumes that you'll want to grab as many items as possible)

[crude hemlock]

Yeah sometimes we cant decide if we have made it worse for oursleves running about opening boxes after the boss is dead or if we should have gone much faster, I guess this clears that up

[timber prism]

It's all about getting the most amount of items in the least amount of time. If anything don't pay much attention to the timer anyway as it could make you think you have to rush but just don't take more than 15 damn minutes a stage and you'll be fine as long as you have a general looting path for a stage, like going out then in or working around and leaving the teleporter area for last.

[crude hemlock]

i seeee

like one vidoe was like, if you make it to the timer chest and can open it, your doing ok

but this could be 5 years out of date

[quasi crystal]

well to be fair i think the ror tooltips are from day one and considering ror1s meta is rushing (event though rushing is only viable because activating tp does absolutely nothing for interactables) it makes sense as to why theyd push rushing

or if not day one ive seen some really old footage have it

[timber prism]

Yikes. That's...no...

Preon is nice but in most runs the 10 minutes for stage 3 really isn't worth it

[quasi crystal]

preon is so overrated

[crude hemlock]

haha yeah i thought its not even that good

[timber prism]

It'd only really be helpful if you were doing the Swing By achievement

[crude hemlock]

it was a woolie(?) video and i think thats prob a bad source now

[quasi crystal]

its ancient

[timber prism]

Too ancient

[crude hemlock]

yeah finding up todate stuff for the game is a myth

its why im in here really

[timber prism]

Give me sawmerang and I'm chilling

[crude hemlock]

on the plus said the prismatic trail yesterday made it easy to unlock mercs skill of not being hit haha

[quasi crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNOx3qg4XTI this ones better

[crude hemlock]

oh yeah this guy has been handy with items

i mean a week ago getting to mithix on mid settings was hard and now we are looping monsoon so improving atleast, mostly for askign in here for help aha

[timber prism]

Mithrix can't really deal with vertical mobility (most enemies in the game can't minus the flying ones and some exceptions). And once you get used to it the only really big hurdle for the Mithrix fight is the last phase

[tacit storm]

what should be my first red item as loader

[timber prism]

Hardlight probably

[lavish jacinth]

are both pretty dang good

[tacit storm]

alr

[lavish jacinth]

and when in doubt you can't go wrong with *
*(if you have missile items)

[timber prism]

Honestly is it worth it to unlock False Son for the 3rd time? My save keeps reverting after I do it anyway

[fiery oriole]

Does the DLC survivors of the void add the content (items+monsters) to the base game? Or is a separate world-run?

[lavish jacinth]

they're added to the base game

[timber prism]

Adds content

[fiery oriole]

Thanks 😌🙂

[lavish jacinth]

I would just wait until they fix it, unless you really like playing false son

[timber prism]

I do but after spending 6+ hours doing the same thing it's honestly not worth it. I thought they fixed most the bugs anyway. The more scuffed part is that my run history and achievements are still there but he ain't .

[lavish jacinth]

they fixed the bugs and then added new ones

[timber prism]

The math ain't mathing

[quasi crystal]

the best red on loader is so you can get DOUBLE barrier!!

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that seems to be a thing on consoles now

[timber prism]

Honestly I might just go back to playing on switch as I have everything there

Like I'm no expert on coding or anything but how does this issue even EXIST when it hasn't for the games whole lifespan p much regardless of all the updates and patches

[lavish jacinth]

gearbox is just magical like that

[timber prism]

At first I thought it was just Xbox being bad but after looking at the bug reports it's happening on ps too

[tacit storm]

alr what uncommon void item to go with loader

[timber prism]

Only thing I saw that could he a fix would he just starting from scratch which I don't wanna do

[lavish jacinth]

or are always solid

[timber prism]

???

Lowkey forgot about plasma

[tacit storm]

what does tenta exactly do? ive never chosen it in a command run

[timber prism]

Holds enemies in place for a few seconds

[lavish jacinth]

instead of slowing enemies it's a chance on hit to root them in place

[tacit storm]

oh

[lavish jacinth]

I wouldn't take it on loader tho

[tacit storm]

planning to take voidsent

[lavish jacinth]

as long as you don't take

[tacit storm]

hell naw

[timber prism]

Void bands are DOG

Double the cool down with little returns

At least it looks cool but that's it

[timber prism]

It's a general rule of thumb to NEVER take Singularity Bands

[lavish jacinth]

the only really strong thing about them is that they can proc, but yeah it's not worth it unless you're about to go to mithrix and don't already have normal bands

although if you've got a blast shower + gesture setup they could be pretty funny

[lavish jacinth]

Also I wonder if this is somehow related to the next-gen compatibility? Like it's somehow confusing save data between PS4/PS5 and xbox series whatever

No idea if that even makes sense but it's the only common thread I know of with xbox and playstation that doesn't exist on pc or switch

[tacit storm]

when should I take 57 clovers

[lavish jacinth]

when you have random proc items

pretty much every random effect gets buffed by clover except tougher times

[hoary sedge]

conversely those effects are also negatively affected by purity so those are the items you don't want to take it with

[analog brook]

Oh my god @livid wedge did we have clover in our last run?? Is that why there were so god damn many lunars?! 😭

[neon abyss]

I do not get any momentum after exiting Eccentric Vase, so I just fall and die when doing pillar skip (Multiplayer, client). Skill issue from me or skill issue from the game?

[lavish jacinth]

probably a multiplayer issue, but potentially also a skill issue if you're playing a survivor with decent movement options

[tacit storm]

ceremonial or tesla coil for cc

[timber prism]

That's the only other thing I can think of unfortunately

[analog brook]

For crowd control then ceremonial, as it has significantly more range and can chain as much as there are enemies, tesla is restricted to like 2 or 3 iirc

[neon abyss]

Yeah, it's fine when I have any vertical movement, but playing Engi and not getting shit in terms of verticality, I'm just "Guess I'll die"

[tacit storm]

okay thanks

[lavish jacinth]

the tradeoff being that dagger doesn't do anything against mithrix unless you bring . doesn't matter if you plan on obliterating tho obviously

[analog brook]

Yeah I was gonna bring it up but then I remembered cc stands for crowd control

[analog brook]

Man I genuinely for the life of me can NOT recall if vase gives momentum on exit

[lavish jacinth]

I wanna say that it does give you a little bit but I never use it lmao

[analog brook]

If it happens repeteadly you prob wanna aim for the middle of the pillars/scaffholding that holds up the roof of the arena

[neon abyss]

The thing is, I do. But when my friend has the vase, I just die because he doesn't understand my problem.

[analog brook]

You should explain it to him unless he's just purposely being an asshole

[lavish jacinth]

so it's definitely a multiplayer issue, but in the sense that the person you're playing with is the problem lol

[neon abyss]

altho sometimes the vase doesn't even reach far enough when aiming further so i just die anyway.

[lavish jacinth]

if your friend feels like cooperating, ig what you could do is have them go up first and then send another zipline down to you, that way it's guaranteed to reach the platform

[quasi crystal]

It definitely does

[livid wedge]

Definitely not early on

[daring cloak]

It only keeps the momentum if you let it run out naturally and completely halts you if you interrupt the tunneling midway through iirc

Too many times have I exited vase just before it ended to avoid flying past my target only to barely undershoot and fall off a cliff or similar

[jade herald]

Is there a way to see the detailed item descriptions that you can see when you hover over an item in the shredder from your inventory?

I'm sure there has to be but I can't find one anywhere

[viral sorrel]

press tab and click on the item

[jade herald]

that just shows the basic description, like sticky bomb just says "chance to attach a bomb to enemies" instead of telling you the proc chance like the logbook

[daring cloak]

Are you sure?

I am fairly certain it tells the stats like the logbook

And on the topic of logbook

Ever since the sots update you can open the logbook mid run through the pause menu

[viral sorrel]

there should be a setting you can toggle where clicking on the item will bring up another menu with the detailed desc

[jade herald]

thanks!

[fiery oriole]

Can I drop an orange (skill) item? I can’t pick an another orange which is on the floor

[daring cloak]

You cant drop equipments but you should be able to swap them if you press interact to pick the one on the ground up

[viral sorrel]

your equipment ?

[fiery oriole]

I see an orange item on the ground and cant pick it up. let me take a phone picture

Maybe is because my item bar is full? I saw on YouTube video someone had two lines of items

[wide parrot]

Are you pressing the button to swap it, or are you just walking over it?

[fiery oriole]

Walking. There is no option to press a button

[wide parrot]

That’s the only way to do it.

[daring cloak]

There should be an option to press a button if you get close enough

[fiery oriole]

Learning the game 😅

Ok will check again

Oh crap I have loaded lookinggood mod and I can’t see clearly the button

[viral sorrel]

whatever button you use to manually pick up items do that one the floor equip

[viral sorrel]

it should just be E

[fiery oriole]

Do you know if I can scale it down? This mod info picture.

Otherwise I will move it away

[viral sorrel]

yeah but you gotta go into the mod configs in r2modman

[daring cloak]

You can customise which stats it shows iirc

[fiery oriole]

Hmmm I will close the game and check it

[daring cloak]

But tbh those stats are largely not important to have on screen

[viral sorrel]

how did bro get a cooldown on commando m1

[fiery oriole]

Ok I will remove a few. Just installed it minutes ago

[viral sorrel]

but for the equipment just stand close and look at the item and you should just be able to press e

to swap

[slim spoke]

risk of options

[undone fox]

does sacrifise disable halcyon shrines spawning?

[slim spoke]

no
absolutely not
why would they
you better just disable sots to see it gone

[ionic igloo]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't stop them

[simple halo]

How far should you go until you just decide you can realistically go forever?

[ionic igloo]

sacrifice stops Chance Shrines and Void Cradles, unless the cradle is in a Void Seed

[ionic igloo]

huh

[simple halo]

I mean like loops and stages

[ionic igloo]

do you mean like, hitting godmode

[simple halo]

Yeah

Cause I've reached the point where I can clear a stage in under 30 seconds using only movement keys

[ionic igloo]

when you can start one tapping mobs, or when you can kill one mob that starts a chain reaction and nukes the whole map

I guess that's the moment

[simple halo]

By doing both mithrix and void dweller in one run do you get lunar coins for both?

[simple halo]

This is where I'm at

https://medal.tv/games/ror-2/clips/jAZMSHOiT1oT52WNa?invite=cr-MSxNVWMsOTA4Mzk3ODgs

[ionic igloo]

looks like you basically hit that point

[fiery oriole]

Why is the DLC Seekers of the Storm up with so many negative reviews? Isn't worth to buy it? I am thinking to buy the void one

[high forum]

When it first launched it was not very good. A few patches have fixed it all for the most part and it's worth purchasing now

[fiery oriole]

As a new player should I buy the void one or enjoy the base game? Will the void DLC boost my playthrough a lot with the new items?

[steady stone]

The DLCs dont add a large amount of unlocks so it might not add too much to do if you already have the game complete. I found it to be fun to have the extra options while playing and progressing.

Most content like items are unlocked by default, but a few character things are behind challenges in DLC

[high forum]

it's nice to have extra stuff but tbh, i would just stick with and enjoy the base game, and once you have a better understanding and enjoyment of it, then go and add the DLCs to spice things up

[steady stone]

Yeah, I should've been more specific actually, I would just avoid buying it like after a 100% is all

It's kind of an opinionated question, but for me sots just slightly changed up the runs instead of giving too much new stuff to do since I had a complete 100% before it came out

[fiery oriole]

Is the bazaar portal a random spawn?

[ruby totem]

I will say that Void dlc is pretty good to have when you have at least all survivors unlocked and a couple of wins, after that it is really good to spice things up and just because the items are really good

I will wait to buy DLC2 (Seekers of the storm) tho

[frank depot]

what does twisted do?

[ionic igloo]

Twisted elites tether to nearby enemies, giving them armor. When you hit tethered allies enough times, the spike ball above their head grows larger, and eventually it will detach and fly toward you

[full apex]

Rarely when starting a stage you'll get a blue orb spawn, it should say in the chat. If not, you can spend 1 lunar coin on the newt altars hidden around to force one to spawn. You can see the orbs rotating around the teleporter, and after you complete the tele any orbs turn into portals

[livid wedge]

Does growth nectar amplify railgunners crit chance before it becomes damage?

[agile crystal]

All stats so id assume so

[cyan vortex]

How much dmg does bleed do and how much dmg does crit do...like percentages

[livid wedge]

Yeah, but clover doesn't buff the crit chance before it converts it to damage

[livid wedge]

Bleeds are 240% over 3 seconds multiplied by proc chance, crits are 200% of the attack

[ionic igloo]

attacks that crit are multiplied by the critical strike multiplier. 2.0, and +1.0 for each

[ionic igloo]

clover rolls a crit again if you fail, it doesn't actually change your CritChance value

Grectar should buff Railgunner because that does change your CritChance

[ionic igloo]

bleed does 12 ticks (4 ticks/s) multiplied by the proc coefficient and each tick does 20% base damage

[full apex]

im p sure nectars buff is at the end of recalc stats, so it should come after her crit is set to 0

and it doesnt touch crit damage

yea it does. comes after tonic but before afflictions too which is fnuuy

tonic comes at the end of stats calc too, so if it modified crit it would also not affect railer. unless it added like pearl, in which case i guess she would be able to get crit chance lmao.

but it doesnt so she cant

[ionic igloo]

oh that is how it works (just checked in game)

sad, railgunner nerf

[livid wedge]

Let's be real, she doesn't need it

[dull smelt]

whats best class?

bandit good?

[fiery walrus]

depends what you're trying to do
all the survivors can beat the game, some may take a little more item luck than others, some will be faster than others
kinda personal preference

[dull smelt]

also - is the dlc really that shit?

so many people crying about seekers of the storm on the steam review page - is it worth getting?

[fiery walrus]

they introuced a lot of bugs to the main game during the update that went along with the dlc
which are mostly fixed
people still have mixed feelings about the survivors and boss

[dusky raven]

If you don't want it now def wait it out because they are still going through updates to fix all the problems, Items recently got overhauled and the new bossfight should be coming soon

[turbid hinge]

guys how to play acrid properly

[slim spoke]

you spit

[turbid hinge]

so what items help for spitting

[slim spoke]

noxious thorn
luminous
backup mag
those are the main ones you wanna focus on
because you WILL be running like a coward until the poison kills

well more like drain till 1 hp then you kill

[lavish jacinth]

anything that multiplies damage is also good for boosting poison, like etc

[turbid hinge]

I just unlocked backup mag but idk what it does, idk what is noxious thorn nor luminous lol

[turbid hinge]

delicate watch is dlc? I have neither of them

[lavish jacinth]

oh, yeah, watch is from sotv

[slim spoke]

those are the two items from sots

[lavish jacinth]

backup mag gives your secondary skill more charges tho

[slim spoke]

and luminous shot now actually helps your secondary charge faster

[lavish jacinth]

technically all you have to do is run in circles, hitting m2 and R occasionally while waiting for poison to slowly kill stuff. But if you wanna play him without being bored, the basic idea is to soften things up with poison, leap in and tear enemies up with your primary, then leap away again. A lot of it comes down to situational awareness and knowing when's a good time to jump in or out of a fight

you can also sprint cancel his primary to attack faster, just tap sprint right after each hit

leap also has crazy good scaling with move speed, you can jump halfway across the map with just a few energy drinks. It takes some practice to aim it though

[turbid hinge]

m2 and r?

[lavish jacinth]

secondary and special

[turbid hinge]

I hope he is as fun as engi

[slim spoke]

basically, your m1 is for healing in a pinch, m2 and r for spreading disease, shift for navigating and aggressive behavior
shift also cancels fall damage

[quasi crystal]

Acrid doesn't play like engineer so if you like engineer a lot you might not flow with him at first

[lavish jacinth]

well, depends on what you like about engie

if you enjoy playing a dodging game while something else deals passive damage for you, then they're pretty similar in that regard

[quasi crystal]

Well I enjoy huntress but find engineer boring and what you described is huntress

[turbid hinge]

I enjoy huntress and bandit too,

I couldnt stand mul-T for more than 15 secs

commando is good but lacks the dps early game

[turbid hinge]

shift is utility or special?

I play on controller so I have no clue about these abbreviations

[quasi crystal]

utility

[slim spoke]

ultility

[turbid hinge]

guys is big spinny punishable?

he is completely stationary so it should be right

[quasi crystal]

yeah can freeze him

[daring cloak]

Its one of the most punishable attacks in the game

If you get close, it becomes fairly easy to predict where the hits will land and allow you to get a lot of damage on mithrix

[turbid hinge]

guys does poison crit, and does it proc items?

[slim spoke]

no and no

[quasi crystal]

the dot has no proc coeff

[slim spoke]

but spit and epidemic's initial hit does (i think)

[turbid hinge]

fuck

[slim spoke]

you can check risk of resources website for coeff

[quasi crystal]

they both have a 1.0

[turbid hinge]

so ocular and lens are bad

and atg missile and ukulele etc

[quasi crystal]

they are not bad

[turbid hinge]

then what do I take as a damage source

if i am playing aggressively they should be good?

not just passive poison cheesing

[slim spoke]

i mean you can become a auto goo thrower with allat 1.0 coeff spits

[turbid hinge]

elaborate

[slim spoke]

and it would proc
you really needa hit enemies at the end of the day regardless

poison dont kill on themselves
they leave the victim on 1 hp minimum

either you make your way and claw it or spit

hell, spam projectile skills it might just work

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, proc items are always good, even if they don't directly benefit poison

[quasi crystal]

poison cannot crit but i think other damage boosters work il ltest

[lavish jacinth]

multipliers do work, yeah

[slim spoke]

i really wish claw could poison
that would make acrid better

and give ppl a reason to use his m1

[lavish jacinth]

it would make blight slightly better but it wouldn't matter at all for poison

[quasi crystal]

well im glad poison's damage cap is applied before items lol

[lavish jacinth]

and he does have a reason to use his m1, it's more damage and some healing

[slim spoke]

the degens yearn for the claw buff

[slim spoke]

i only use it as a finisher as of now

in early stages, yes its useful
later on (or whenever i get the clover tbh) it fell quick

[lavish jacinth]

I mean... if you're choosing not to use it then that's kinda on you, isn't it?

[quasi crystal]

acrids m1 is good all game in monsoon

[slim spoke]

i specifically always use m1 for finishing mind you

[lavish jacinth]

I use it for extra dps whenever I see a good opportunity for it

[quasi crystal]

same, but its so free in with the shift cancel

[slim spoke]

hovering with acrid has to be the best thing i have ever done

good m1

[turbid hinge]

what is this item called

[lavish jacinth]

hooks of heresy

[quasi crystal]

do not take it

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it is really good

you could if you want to try it

[quasi crystal]

theyre acrid

spit is really important lol

[lavish jacinth]

they'd still have other ways to apply poison lol

hooks is strong enough that pretty much any survivor can usually justify taking it besides maybe railgunner and loader

unless they fixed it so the damage actually matches the description

[quasi crystal]

I agree that hooks is incredibly good, i guess im in the minority for disliking it on acrid

i personally wouldnt pick it up on rex, mercenary, acrid, loader, viend, railgunner, false son, artificer

[slim spoke]

nah rex hooking is a yes go

[quasi crystal]

I like seed barrage

Drill I'd be more inclined to take hooks but I don't use drill

[lavish jacinth]

it would be kinda awkward on merc actually, yeah
but otherwise, if a run really needs some damage, hooks is almost always worth whatever you're giving up

arti is debatable but it does outdamage nanobomb if you manage to land it

[quasi crystal]

False son definitely does not want to completely delete 75% of his gimmick for hooks I feel

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, somehow I didn't even think about him lol

[quasi crystal]

No way to stack a broken debuff nor increase move speed

[lavish jacinth]

but also, like... it's false son, he's not exactly gonna be crippled without his secondary lmao

[quasi crystal]

It's not really crippling but it feels awful lol, it's like a huge part of his identity

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I wouldn't take it on him

but if he were to pick it up he'd probably be fine, it's not like rg or loader where they lose an integral part of their kit

...I guess his m2 is pretty integral too but you know what I mean

[turbid hinge]

@lavish jacinth what about visions

[lusty tartan]

I get hook in every captain run, its mandatory at this point

[turbid hinge]

same bazaar

[quasi crystal]

visions is fine on acrid

i hate visions

[turbid hinge]

ok got essence too

i should ne a heretic at this point

shouldnt have taken that shaped glass

[vale hollow]

you need "strides of heresy" The one that replaces your utility ability. Mercurial Rachis the spine item isn't a heresy item.

[ruby totem]

^ those are the Heretic items, you picked up

[turbid hinge]

i know, I has this item way b4 picking up any heresy item, "I should be a heretic at this point" meant that I should go for it and try to find the last item not that I am confused why I didnt turn to it lol

found the utility one in a new run

is it good on acrid?

[vale hollow]

lol I see. Yea if you have 3/4 of them you might as well become heratic

[vale hollow]

I think strides of herasay is the best herasy item it's good on almost everyone

[lavish jacinth]

Its definitely not the best one

[turbid hinge]

yh but acrid utility is a p good one

[lavish jacinth]

It gives you invincibility and healing for a bit, but it's way slower than most movement abilities

On acrid I'd say don't take it, the leap is good

[turbid hinge]

how often do u guys go to void fields

sounds like free farming area

[lavish jacinth]

It's free until rng decides it isn't

I never go there just because it's kinda boring, but technically there's no downside to going there as long as you have enough healing to survive the fog

Although you can only go there once per run, so if you leave early with no loot it's a bit of a waste

[slim spoke]

and the enemies it spawn

oh the enemies

[lavish jacinth]

Sometimes it's completely free, other times the enemies get shurikens and Dios

[slim spoke]

if i were you i would stay away from it until i had enough experience with the enemies
because void fields will contain some of the worst enemies in the game (exaggeration but you get the point)

oh and they have items which increase as you stablilize void cells

[little cobalt]

hello, haven't played for a year and have a few questions about lobby management via dev console.

1. how does one kick/ban players nowadays? i believe what used to work was steam_lobby_print_members to fetch ids and kick/ban-_steam [id]. the first command does nothing on my side
2. is there a way to ping a player to see their latency?
3. unrelated, but does launching pots on stage 2 by sprinting on top no longer work or me bad at videogame?

[slim spoke]

i cant answer the first one
second one is a no
third one is a sad one cuz they killed it

[lavish jacinth]

Pot rolling is pretty broken with the physics changes

[little cobalt]

sad

how does one get bands in singleplayer? surely someone found a way...

[slim spoke]

engineer

[lavish jacinth]

Engie turrets, captain beacons, loaders pylon, effigy of grief, and if you're really desperate, using FMP to spawn a lunar coin

[little cobalt]

well i'm not exactly engineer otp

oh true lunar coin tech

[slim spoke]

nah we are not gambling for the one percenter

[lavish jacinth]

Or if you're fast you can use primordial cube to hold an enemy on the button and then run to the other one

[slim spoke]

that needs a lot of luck

[little cobalt]

wait does physics changes mean mithrix skip is dead also

the one to the top

[lavish jacinth]

Less than the fmp trick

[slim spoke]

some easy ones are dead

[lavish jacinth]

Which one, the h0st skip?

[slim spoke]

you can still trimp , thats one

[quasi crystal]

Trimping was severely culled

[lavish jacinth]

Oh also dumb question, but regarding the first one, do you have crossplay enabled?

[little cobalt]

that might be a good question

[quasi crystal]

Mithrix Skip? Do you mean skipping phases because you can still do that I skipped phase 1 and 4 today as railgunner

[little cobalt]

i meant host skip

[quasi crystal]

Give mirhrix osp

[lavish jacinth]

If it's on then that would explain it, turn it off and it should work

[little cobalt]

ok no it was off

[lavish jacinth]

Well shit

[quasi crystal]

Yeah host skipping is dead except on chef, trimping takes more speed, I used to be able to skip with stompers and 1 quail now I need much more to do it without any feathers or utility

[little cobalt]

should the command "steam_lobby_print_members" work?

[lavish jacinth]

AFAIK it should, but it's very possible that it's broken

[slim spoke]

how so (on chef)

[quasi crystal]

Hold on

https://youtube.com/shorts/DH7fav0GE6w my God this was hard to find

[lavish jacinth]

Finally, the one thing chef is good at

[little cobalt]

so dlc is p2w

[slim spoke]

every dlc is p2w
but you do you

[quasi crystal]

Definitely both dlcs introduce op items and 2 broken survivors each (sots just also introduces a dog shit survivor)

[little cobalt]

wanted to buy the new dlc when stage3 is finished, now i don't know what to do

pot rolling and host skip were among my favorite things you can do in the game

[slim spoke]

reintroduces

[quasi crystal]

There's a mod called kccdownpatcher that lets you do both

Chef in ror2 isn't like ror1 chef though, and they might not be the same unit either

[wide parrot]

They are not the same Chef unit in lore, no

[lavish jacinth]

Chef in ror1 didn't suck so clearly this is a new guy

[little cobalt]

thanks was just looking for something like that

should i perhaps ask my console commands question in the modding channel or won't make a difference?

[quasi crystal]

Either is fine it's just finding someone who knows is all

[lavish jacinth]

Or petition gearbox to finally give us an actual kick button

[quasi crystal]

Well saying reintroduce a dogshit survivor would imply he was shit in ror1 that'd be mean!

[fiery oriole]

Are Artifacts only gained through the storm DLC?

[slim spoke]

only one

[broken vessel]

what is considered as a multikill by ror2? i need it for the artificer unlock

[agile crystal]

Glass + swarm + rounding up enemies stage 1 + bomb thingy ability = multikill

[fiery oriole]

by the moment I get Rusted Key, will the chest spawn on the stage on which I play right now? Or by the next stage?

[agile crystal]

Next

[livid wedge]

For when the railgunner's default sniper pierces a target, is the halved damage now the new base damage of the shot hitting the enemy or is it still the 1500% but the damage is reduced?

Mostly asking about how runic lens's chance for each pierced shot is calculated

Also, is the Runic Len's chance, after being determined based on the damage it deals, then multiplied by the proc coef of the attack?

[fiery oriole]

I start a teleporter event, but the boss is not spawned. Is it bugged?

I see the boss's health bar.

[livid wedge]

It may have spawned behind another area if the teleporter is close to a wall or something

Do you have a picture of the teleporter area?

There should also be a red arrow at the edge of your screen pointing to where the boss(es) are if they're not currently in your field of view

[fiery oriole]

Okey thanks. A noticed an arrow on the upper level and went there. Found the boss.

[livid wedge]

I would assume the targets after the first shot have their base damage halved for each pierce and that the calculated chance is multiplied by proc

[fiery oriole]

Is there any limit having drones/turrets?

[livid wedge]

I think it's 15 allied units

and an allied unit is basically anything that appears on the left of the screen, not underneath your portrait

So like, constructs from and beetle guards from are also counted

[fiery oriole]

can I discard an allied unit?

[livid wedge]

Nope, they gotta die somehow

Pretty sure that limit does not count the engineer's turrets

[viral sorrel]

yes and no
you can buy as many drones/turrets as you can afford
the only things that are affected by the cap are items that spawn allies, like defense nucleus and empathy cores and squid polyp

[livid wedge]

oh, really?

[viral sorrel]

yeah

[livid wedge]

my bad

I was close but no banana

[viral sorrel]

naw ur good the whole ally cap thing is confusing

[turbid hinge]

I noticed that drones suddenly shuttdown

they fall down and self destroy

[viral sorrel]

which drones

[turbid hinge]

the ones I recruited

[fiery oriole]

Once I get a lunar item from Bazaar, is it unlocked and spawned on stages too? Or is for the specific run?

[wide parrot]

It doesn’t ever spawn in the normal loot pool

The only way to get lunars is to buy them from the bazaar or pods

And once a lunar is unlocked it can appear anywhere

[turbid hinge]

guys can someone send all sundered grove legendary chest locations, I only know of the grove in the big tree and it isnt there

[viral sorrel]

theyre on the wiki

[turbid hinge]

super unclear

[pastel epoch]

so i notice breaching fin can lead to some crazy damage. is the damage modifier for each bounce for some reason exponential?

[wide parrot]

Look for the red mushrooms

[full apex]

20, enemy is 40. I believe players are included though so like engi counts for 3 usually

[fiery oriole]

So since Bazaar is a somehow rare thing to find , do you suggest me buying all the lunar items I see , so as to unlock them on every game?

[daring cloak]

What no

Of course I would suggest you buy those items if you dont have their log yet but they are items with drawbacks for a reason

And buying lunar items from the bazaar doesnt unlock them for future runs as they already need to be unlocked to show up in the bazaar

There is also at least one newt altar on every stage (except distant roost) so if you know where those altars can appear and get a couple lunar coins, it becomes fairly common to visit the bazaar

[turbid hinge]

u dont unlock them lol if they are there then they are already unlocked

[shadow delta]

why game no 1440p setting

[ionic igloo]

it do

[shadow delta]

no

[wide parrot]

It’s literally on screen wdym

[shadow delta]

2560 x 1440

[ionic igloo]

🤨

are you using DPI scaling or whatever in windows display settings

[shadow delta]

isnt that a mouse setting

[ionic igloo]

weird

[fiery oriole]

Equipment drone just took my Fuel Array. Learning the game the hard way! 😒

[fiery oriole]

How does Essence of Heresy works? I hit R but I don't see ruins (?) . Are the ruins displayed above enemy's health

I think I got it. But trying to notice where the ruins are displayed

[steady stone]

Hitting an enemy adds ruin as a debuff, similar to , so it can be seen above (or below, i dont recall exactly) their health.

[fiery oriole]

Is a purple crystals icon?

[steady stone]

I believe so, but I'll double check on the wiki

[fiery oriole]

above their heads?

ok will check too

[fiery oriole]

found it! thanks a lot for helping me

[steady stone]

yeah, this stacks with each hit like how works, but it will expire eventually to avoid infinite stacking

to get more time before refresh, you need more stacks of

[fiery oriole]

nice info

[full apex]

arent stacks refreshed when a new one is applied?

im p sure they are. and base duration is like 10s or something, so its pretty lenient to stack up as much as you want

[steady stone]

they expire after, what, 12 secs base?

[full apex]

stacking it is kinda scuffed because of that, 10s is pretty solid so doubling its cooldown is a bit unfortunate

[steady stone]

no yeah, it is 10
dunno where i got 12

i assumed it would have a timer for each individual, hence "a stack for 10 seconds"

so there's a max you can get without stacking more of it

[full apex]

that would definitely hurt it a lot

ruin is quite nice on fast attackers like mando since it basically more than doubles his damage while its available

makes lysate really really nice too since you can immediately start restacking as long as youve got one charge avail, so like you save to 2, pop one, and stack until you have 2 again

[steady stone]

"The chance to inflict Ruin is multiplied by the proc coefficient of the attack, but it will always last for the full 10 seconds." made me think yeah it would keep 10 seconds on each? does it not?

[full apex]

the 10s is not affected by coeff

they were kind to us lol, it only affects the chance

[steady stone]

yeah, that quote was from the wiki

im trying to think of an item i could compare ruin stacking to, but its just not coming to mind
i swear there's one that works similar

[full apex]

thats 100% chance affected by coeff?

scorp is

[steady stone]

well there's that yeah, but i mean the like way it actually stacks off my original message about more stacks of essense = more max cap of ruin

im also like kind of tired so i could be misinterpreting this whole conversation lol

[full apex]

in a way predatory instincts kind of

it has a hard cap but also its duration is affected by coeff and stacks dont reset the others. kinda scuffed tbh i wish pred was a teeny bit stronger, but its fine

more stacks increases the cap, but even if you had infinite cap more stacks of the buff would give more atk spd, which would allow you to get more buffs simultaneously, up until the income and outcome equalize

[steady stone]

oh, here's what i didnt understand
you said it was refreshed like bleed, but wouldnt that just lead to literal infinite damage with 1 stack of essense? i feel like that couldnt possibly be true, but ive also only ever used it as heretic

[full apex]

yes, given you shoot long enough and the target doesnt die, you could stack 10k if you wanted

most of the time your practical cap is when something would die or be one shot, but you are totally free to build a ton up. on some of the twisted scaves you could probably actually get infinite lol

[steady stone]

dang, it's better than i ever thought then
always thought it would be a timer for each individual one i guess, so like after not attacking for a while it would go from 12 -> 11

[full apex]

yea, similar to like burns or smth

but nah its like bleeds which is pogger

[dusty blade]

ok, i havnt been playing RoR for a bit, (took a break on seekers release cause of how it was) does the H3AD-5T skip off the bridge not work anymore or did my skills deteriorate? ive attempted the skip with multi, huntress, and cap, and i can never get momentum. i just hit the floor and stay standing still

[steady stone]

Host skip? Yeah, SOTS killed it, except for chef I believe (according to Raydans in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH7fav0GE6w)

[dusty blade]

oh fantastic,

another SOTS L

ty for the info

[quasi crystal]

Kccdownpatcher mod

[topaz lake]

I'm stuck in the artifact room. I got the chaos artifact but the red portal didn't open

and there's no objective

[lavish jacinth]

RIP
there's currently a bug where that can happen, there's no way out of it

[topaz lake]

:/

[slim spoke]

yea thats the usual since sots released
better downpatch it

[fiery oriole]

What does this yellow rhombus mean?

[dusky raven]

That you have selected it

[fiery oriole]

Eeehh what a dumb question. Thanks anyway 🤣

[fiery oriole]

The best way to avoid Grandparent is to fly high or hide behind a rock?

[lavish jacinth]

it's based on line of sight like a vagrant nova, so yeah, just get behind cover

there'll be shadows on the ground giving you a rough idea of where's safe

[fiery oriole]

Learning the hard way but I like it!

[umbral sable]

does the tc-280 always spawn on rallypoint delta? i've looped twice on captain now

[lavish jacinth]

nope, it's random

[umbral sable]

awwww okay

[lavish jacinth]

it'll be a bit more common if you have sacrifice enabled though, fastest way to get it is usually just resetting until you get rallypoint

and turn off SotV so that you don't get sulphur pools

[umbral sable]

good point but im okay with using up my lunar coins

[lavish jacinth]

it still helps, it'll mean you're almost guaranteed to get it in a lunar seer

with sotv on you could get scorched and sulfur as options

[umbral sable]

i like the sotv content, i suppose even if it's detracting from my goal. more time playing the game is no issue for me because i really like risk of rain

i did decide to join the server though because i don't know everything about the game, ya know?

[lavish jacinth]

fair enough

[ornate laurel]

can me and my friend fight each other in this game

[lavish jacinth]

kinda yes if you use artifact of chaos, but there's no real pvp

[fiery oriole]

I am confused. I joined the stage to get the Artifact Command. I killed the boss and now how do I get the Artifact. There is no portal to leave the stage

Its just me , my drones and a dead spinning boss.

should I have picked a quest or what? there is no prompt button to pick up the artifact from the boss dead body

[lavish jacinth]

did you actually walk up and touch the artifact in the middle of the arena? you do have to be pretty close to interact with it iirc

there is currently a bug where the portal doesn't spawn and softlocks you, but it only happens after you've interacted with the artifact, so you'll at least unlock it either way

[fiery oriole]

Is it unlocked? Check my picture please

I jumped in the middle and got it! Thanks

[turbid hinge]

guys I am planning to get the leaf clover, I think I have to loop 4 times, so anything to note so I dont die midway it will be painful

my current build

[slim spoke]

yea new elites will spawn after looping (if you hadnt known that already) as well as scavengers
they start showing their ass up at around stage 9 in average and does a ton of damage, has a ton of hp and drop items when the first of them in that stage dies

[lavish jacinth]

I was about to suggest doing it as commando so that you can get his alt special at the same time, but nvm lol

[fiery oriole]

It's worth to end the run for 5 Lunar Coins? I am at the hidden realm with the obelisk

[slim spoke]

frag nades are still bad

[lavish jacinth]

so is suppressive fire

[turbid hinge]

max looping I did was to obelisk for merc unlock

[slim spoke]

if you are at monsoon, yes
if you have a broken build with beads of fealty item, yes
otherwise, no

[turbid hinge]

ruin comes in here

[slim spoke]

no thats fine for golems

[lavish jacinth]

if you've never done it before you unlock a character for it, otherwise not really but it's up to you

[fiery oriole]

I play on easy and no beans. Okey

[lavish jacinth]

or you can just dodge them
both of commando's specials are pretty much equally crap, ruin is his real special

[slim spoke]

i use them for early game proccing

but ruin is fine as is

[turbid hinge]

the new elites I saw was the grass one (I dont know what it does exactly), and the one with the big cyan field around it, I still dont know what it does, as for scavengers I know about them and I know they can get dangerous items, do they drop thier whole arsenal or what

[turbid hinge]

isnt first special good for proccing since lots of hits

[lavish jacinth]

anyway I was gonna add, scavengers have a unique gimmick of spawning with random items and being able to give themselves more

they also have an attack where they throw a bunch of orange blobs that proc on-kill effects, which can be really dangerous if they have or (thankfully they can't have tho)

[fiery oriole]

Should I end the run for the character?! I am all in! lol

[slim spoke]

one, those are celestine and malachite elites in reverse order
two, they dont just gain items on themselves

[lavish jacinth]

sure

[fiery oriole]

Never done it before. @lavish jacinth

Okey I will end the run. thanks

[lavish jacinth]

it's the exact same damage and fire rate as his primary, six shots per second for 100% damage

[turbid hinge]

what do they do

[turbid hinge]

wtf

[lavish jacinth]

celestines make nearby enemies invisible
malachites drop spike traps all over the place and cause a debuff that prevents healing for a little while

both of them have huge health and damage multipliers

[turbid hinge]

wdym they just dont gain items on themselves

[slim spoke]

first one makes other monsters in a radius go invis
second one spews urchins (yea that grass thing) that bleeds you and shuts off ALL healing

[slim spoke]

either youre in void fields or you have artifact of evolution on
then they will have items for themselves

[lavish jacinth]

yeah suppressive is crap lol
it used to be better than his primary, but then they buffed his primary to have the same stats as suppressive and forgot to buff suppressive. So now it's basically just a guaranteed stun on a longish cooldown

[slim spoke]

lmao

[lavish jacinth]

what are you talking about, scavs do get items

that's kinda their whole thing

[turbid hinge]

I read on the wiki that they have random items by default

[slim spoke]

im talking abt monsters in general

[lavish jacinth]

they were asking about scavs

[turbid hinge]

yh

[slim spoke]

yea i didnt look quite clearly
no glasses :/

[lavish jacinth]

also they don't drop the items they're carrying, they drop a bag that drops 10 random items with the same rarities as a small chest

although you can only get one bag per stage

[slim spoke]

i dont say they drop items they carry

[lavish jacinth]

I know, but they asked about it lol

[slim spoke]

i mean i did do a not-so-thorough recap of the scavs
so are we even?

[lavish jacinth]

...I guess?

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, one other thing to note about late loops is that you'll start getting overloading worms

they're basically the same as magma worms, but there is one rule for fighting them:
do not touch the worm

they deal an absolutely stupid amount of contact damage

[turbid hinge]

magma worms deplete my health quite enough already

but like I am loader

I gotta toych my enemy

[slim spoke]

now i remembered that gif tetronic sent me LONG AGO regarding a huntress and the overloading worm

[turbid hinge]

my build should oneshot anything

[lavish jacinth]

but they're also incredibly loud and your screen will start turning blue if you're near one, so you can usually see them coming (unless they decide to be an asshole and spawn directly underneath you, but that's pretty rare)

if you hear one coming just try to get to high ground so it can't come up underneath you as easily

[turbid hinge]

yh I was in sirens and then I was hearing super loud noises it turned out there was a magma worm in the platform down

but again I need to touch the worm to hit it

[lavish jacinth]

killing them with loader is kinda tricky, hopefully by the time they spawn you'll have a decent ranged option. In that screenshot you do have FMP and ceremonial dagger, that might be good enough

[turbid hinge]

I am no melee character, and I would suppose they are immune to shock like other bosses

[slim spoke]

then follow it
they will instakill you if you are not cautious enough i can guarantee

[turbid hinge]

FMP?

[lavish jacinth]

another option is to just try to graze them with your punch

[turbid hinge]

forgive me pot?

[lavish jacinth]

[turbid hinge]

I thought it was forgive me not

lol

[lavish jacinth]

it's forgive me please

[turbid hinge]

yh I oneshot bosses with it

[lavish jacinth]

but yeah, the punch hitbox is a lot bigger than your own hurtbox, so you can hit them with the edge of it without taking damage

that's still pretty risky though

[turbid hinge]

I can ignore it if it isnt a teleporter boss, also I have equipment drone with capacitor

[slim spoke]

yea its gonna be a tele boss
get used to killing bosses within seconds or you will die on loops

[turbid hinge]

should I loot the biomes like I always do? what items should I throw into scrappers

[turbid hinge]

I currently try to do so but it is matter of aligning the bosses into my piunch path

otherwise I will have to turn and repeat

[slim spoke]

throw the leeching seeds
i know you love healing but they suck

also scrap monster tooth and bison steak

[turbid hinge]

who said I love healing lol

not bec I did a bungus engi run

[lavish jacinth]

particularly on loader

[slim spoke]

cannot stress enough how they need to buff or even rework the leeching seed

[turbid hinge]

leeching seeds are decent on acrid right, bec each poison proc heals u

[lavish jacinth]

nope

poison doesn't proc anything

[slim spoke]

poison cant proc effects

[turbid hinge]

I am dumb

[slim spoke]

its normal

[turbid hinge]

yh I know

[lavish jacinth]

petition to add LeechingSeedBuff to vanilla 🙏

[slim spoke]

what does it do

[turbid hinge]

those items I had just gotten them

[lavish jacinth]

it makes seed heal an additional 0.5hp per stack that completely ignores proc coeff, so it works on DoTs and stuff

it doesn't sound like much but it's actually really good if you pair it with gasoline or something

[slim spoke]

ok thats just busted already i dont need explainations

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, someone also made a nerfed version of it that makes it 0.2hp lol

[turbid hinge]

I might try to get more attack speed so I dont need to charge my fist

[lavish jacinth]

eh, attack speed is more of a convenience on loader

[slim spoke]

no
keep scaling your damage
attack speed is fine if you wanna wiff some barrier while finding more topaz brooches

[turbid hinge]

stealth warkit goes ghors tome goes and ofc lots of the legendaries go i I find tht rare legend printer

[slim spoke]

keep ghors tome

[lavish jacinth]

you can charge the fist any time, just get it ready before you go in for a fight

[lavish jacinth]

they don't need it at all at this point

post loop enemies drop more than enough gold

[slim spoke]

ngl they do need it for kickstarting
keeping one is always a good move

[lavish jacinth]

kickstarting what? you kill a couple wisps while looping and you'll have enough to afford everything on the stage lol

[lavish jacinth]

also most of your reds are solid actually, the only thing I'd scrap is maybe the happiest mask

[slim spoke]

should i pull his build down here for the sake of convenience?

[slim spoke]

reso disc

[lavish jacinth]

normally resonance disk is meh but they've got FMP so it's not so bad

[slim spoke]

fmp doesnt justify reso disc you know that

[lavish jacinth]

it's not that bad lol

at least not if you can proc it consistently, which FMP lets them do

[slim spoke]

unless they aim better, i will say no

[lavish jacinth]

it specifically aims for groups of enemies to maximize the number of hits

[slim spoke]

say, you have any cloud gaming service i can try?

[lavish jacinth]

also red printers don't exist so scrapping reds is pointless

[slim spoke]

[turbid hinge]

yh I wont scrap unless there is both red pritner and scraper on same level

[slim spoke]

yea no crits
he can scrap that pred instinct alr

[lavish jacinth]

ah yeah

[lavish jacinth]

on a side note, how tf do you have 9 reds already on stage 5 lol

[cursive compass]

theres a lot of scrapping waiting to be done

[cursive compass]

Afaik FMP cannot proc res disc on its own, and tbh it misses so often that it scrap it anyway

Unless it was a proper FMP build

[lavish jacinth]

FMP procs 8 times, more than enough to proc res disc

[cursive compass]

Not fast enough

[lavish jacinth]

plenty fast enough actually

[cursive compass]

The res disc stacks decay before all 8 procs happen

[lavish jacinth]

res discs window is 7 seconds

although I just looked it up and realized it only deals 1000% damage, for some reason I kept thinking it does 3000%, so a lot worse than I was thinking lol

But FMP can still proc it

[cursive compass]

Seems like I was operating on outdated info, the buff duration got extended in an update but any video before it would’ve been talking about how it didn’t work

[lavish jacinth]

...man, I kinda miss old resonance disk, even if it was a janky, confusing mess. It being able to charge up on its own and pop off like 5 times in a row was cool

[cursive compass]

I think current res disc needs a bit of love

Not that much, its just so inconsistent

[lavish jacinth]

it really does, it used to have a cool mechanic that they completely gutted for the sake of making it simpler

[cursive compass]

A lot of reds in ror2 need just a slight readjustment or change

Most of my problems with reds come from how they’re mostly oriented around looping though, and are basically useless on Mithrix

Which feels really odd considering he is the final boss of 99% of runs

RoRR handled it a lot better though, so they recognised it as an issue in RoR2

[lavish jacinth]

I wouldn't mind the mithrix fight having more adds, although preferably something less annoying than the chimera enemies. CC items not being useless is one of the few things the false son fight does better

[cursive compass]

Thats true, I love how the mod Umbral Mithrix handles that

[lavish jacinth]

honestly I always found it really weird that ror2 is mostly a game about fighting huge crowds of enemies, but then the final boss is pretty much a 1v1

[cursive compass]

Yeah, its strange and has the side effect of making some items much less useful than they would or should be

[cursive compass]

Instead of directly adding more adds, it makes mithrix spawn temporary clones on certain attacks, and also gives him the chimera orb ability, which has a healthbar and procs on hit and kill items

so the fight isn’t flooded with enemies, but AOE items can still serve a purpose

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that'd work too

[cursive compass]

Plus the extra entities are dangerous but not obnoxious

having more adds on top of the 1v1 that the fight has could be extremely unfun

That still leaves a lot of items left in the dust though, things like

[lavish jacinth]

raincoat being left in the dust is just par for the course really

[cursive compass]

I like that in RoRR, “on teleporter activation” items work in the provi fight

[cursive compass]

As it always is…

[lavish jacinth]

Mithrix feels like he was designed for a different style of game honestly, he'd be more at home in something like Hades where you've got a dash and can keep up with his movement

[cursive compass]

I’ve had some extremely fun Mithrix fights, especially in higher eclipse levels, but it kinda does require the right kinds of items

with feathers, enough speed and things like opal and spaces, you can really push the fight to its limit and it is suuuuper fun

Without enough movement though, the fight can just be a straight up checkmate

So I do kinda agree, but when it works it works super well

[lavish jacinth]

Minos prime but you can't consistently dash, slide or parry

[cursive compass]

When you put it that way, yeah lmao

[forest depot]

hyraxon was banned.

[full apex]

Damn I peek in and its my first message

[lavish jacinth]

I was just about to ping too, lol

[slim spoke]

what happened

[slim spoke]

PARRY?
YOU ARE TELLING THAT ALL THIS TIME I COULDVE BEEN SLAPPED BACK BY MY OWN BOMB BECAUSE MITHRIX REBOUNDED IT WITH HIS HAMMER

just great

[lavish jacinth]

wat

[lavish jacinth]

nothing, just a scambot

[turbid hinge]

isnt mithrix the only boss that can be CC'ed

[cursive compass]

They meant AOE, not necessarily CC

[turbid hinge]

yh mithrix feels more like a souls boss, very different from the other bosses in the game, I actually feel he is better designed but yh lots of cool items turn useless

[cursive compass]

I absolutely love the mithrix fights, I think its the items that should be changed/tweaked slightly

[turbid hinge]

note I dont have dlcs

[turbid hinge]

I actually feel that mobility items render mithrix unable to do anything with his janky AI and tracking

[cursive compass]

Such as making things like lepton daisy and warbanner activate in the fight, stuff like that

[turbid hinge]

lepton daisy yuck

[cursive compass]

That depends, most runs don’t get enough speed for it to get to that point

[turbid hinge]

just level up mid fight

[turbid hinge]

vertically,

[cursive compass]

Vertical movement messes every enemy up, but its rare and balanced enough that I think it’s fine

[turbid hinge]

just some hoppos and he cant do shit

[cursive compass]

It requires thought, timing, and its not always a free dodge either

[turbid hinge]

nah most bosses deal fine with u, vagrants stone titan etc etc etc

[cursive compass]

Most bosses are jokes by default, they’re rarely a threat

I mean normal enemies

[turbid hinge]

not that much, if he had vertical tracking the fight would be very different

[cursive compass]

I don’t think itd necessarily be better though

Being able to dodge vertically is useful

Plus he has a ranged attack, and pizza is an equaliser too

[pine comet]

how so i beat sky meadows and wanted to beat the game but then i was taken back to the first area. How do i actually get to the boss to beat the game

[full apex]

you have to use the teleporter without readjusting it

if you interact with the prongs you change the destination to be looping, but also taking any portals at all like bazaar, gold, or even the artifact portal, will loop you

[pine comet]

what does readjusting it mean? I think i might have done that on accident

[full apex]

theres some pics here

[pine comet]

ohhhhhhhh yeah actually i did take a bazzar portal

[pine comet]

ok thx. guess ill spend another 45 minutes getting there lol. The boss is possible if i dont loop right? Or is looping almost required?

[full apex]

depends on your build and skill level, but a lot of people do it first loop

more items makes the early phases easier, though the boss is scaled more and phase 4 can be more annoying depending on what you get

[pine comet]

alr good to know. im playing on switch and when i looped i had huge performance issues so i dont know if looping will ever be practiacal for me lol

[full apex]

ah yea hahaha, that could be trouble

once youre comfortable with stage layouts and stuff, you should be able to get all or most of the loot in a pretty reasonable time, so that can help it be easier to do right away

[pine comet]

gotcha that makes sense. thx for the help!

[void fossil]

Is the name of chefs “PRES-10” skin a reference to anything or is it just a random thing

[hoary sedge]

it's supposed to be like 'presto'

don't really know why bc I think that's associated more with magicians than chefs but idk

[fresh umbra]

I thought it was cuz preston is a gearbox employee or something

I don’t follow gearbox lore

[void fossil]

What does the achievement
“Demons and the crabs” unlock and is it worth it

[wide parrot]

It unlocks a new lunar, and it is very much worth it

[fresh umbra]

^^^

[fresh umbra]

No way wx-78 pfp spotted

[void fossil]

So I just unlocked and and i thought that ment I had all greens but I’m missing one apparently…?
What am I missing?
And how do I get it?
(I unlocked in this run so that’s why there are 2 locks)

[wide parrot]

Squid Polyp

Get 6 Gunner Turrets in a single run

[void fossil]

Strange how that doesn’t have a PlayStation trophy…

[livid wedge]

Not all challenges do

Most don't

[north drift]

Playing rainstorm, artifact of sacrifice, i used to play drizzle a lot but I'm easing my way into the harder difficulties-
I finished a stage on rainstorm and got no white items? I got the one green item from the teleporter but no whites at all, does rainstorm lower sacrifice's drop rates? Or am I just unlucky?

[fiery oriole]

I get void items. On description it says, “corrupts all atg missile mk”

What does corrupt mean ? Makes them to not work properly?

[north drift]

It will turn that item into the void item that corrupts it, for example the lystate cell corrupts fuel cells, if I have two fuel cells, after getting the lystate cell all my fuel cells will turn into more lystate cells, and any more I get in the game will follow

[fiery oriole]

Aaaah that sounds good

Doesn’t it? Sounds good. 👍🏻

[full apex]

unlucky, the base chance is like 5% but sometimes it happens. higher reward coeffs (so more expensive enemies or elites and stuff) mean higher drop chance, so higher difficulty means the chance will scale up faster. it will be the same at base though

or well
theres a minimum of 5%, so like a wisp might end up <5% by the formula, but would raise to 5%.

early on enemies also dont spawn particularly fast, so the item rates can feel pretty bad sometimes if youre unlucky, even with the minimum chance in place.

[north drift]

Ah, thank you^^

[quasi crystal]

It's usually a good thing
are sometimes detrimental to your run but everything else is usually just as good or better

is especially s sometimes on some survivors it's terrible on some it's a run definer

[fiery oriole]

Thank you so much

[fiery oriole]

When I have many enemies on my screen the FPS drop down.

Do you happen to know what’s the best setting?

I have a good PC but 1050ti graphic card. My FPS limit is set on 60 and resolution 2560*1440 - 144hz

[lavish jacinth]

Setting enemy corpse cleanup to immediate helps, lower resolution, and just generally lowering graphics settings. Ror2 is mostly cpu-bound so your gpu shouldn't matter a whole lot

I used to run the game fine with an i3, 8gb ram and a 1050ti so you shouldn't need a whole lot

[fiery oriole]

Ah all the rest are new but not the GPU okey thanks. My next question is how to complete a run. Should I wait whether Mithrix pops or find a celestial orb/portal?

[lavish jacinth]

Entirely up to you, mithrix is kinda the 'true ending' but either one will count as a win

Mithrix does give 10 lunar coins while obliterating only gives 5 though, if that's something you care about

[fiery oriole]

I am a bit bored. Tried the artifact of command on easy mode. it was so OP… ! Okey will teleport quick every stage then

[slim spoke]

how does lysate work on mult

[lavish jacinth]

it does basically nothing for retool

for powermode it works like normal, it's just not useful

or less useful that fuel cells would be, anyway

[quasi crystal]

It doesn't

[slim spoke]

oh
"especially shit"

welp lol

[quasi crystal]

I wonder if you can ever name a situation where you'd take lysate on Mul t intentionally that isn't "nothing better in the void cradle on the moon and my equipment doesn't need cells"

[lavish jacinth]

ig if you really want to abuse the fact that powermode resets the cooldown on blast canister and rebar puncher

it might not be worth it even then but it's the only use case I can think of

[quasi crystal]

It sounds like it'd eventually run out

[lavish jacinth]

yep

you can get a quick burst of high damage but then you still have to wait for powermode's cooldown

[quasi crystal]

Doesn't power mode also have lag

[lavish jacinth]

it's got some start lag, yeah

it's basically a ton of extra effort to get slightly better damage output than rebar/retool

[quasi crystal]

Yeah if you have to stretch it that much to make an argument for it it's basically useless lmao

As useless as squid polyp having base Regen

[lavish jacinth]

the tech itself can be useful, but it's not worth taking lysate for

[quasi crystal]

I can't think of anyone who uses lysate worse than Mul t lol

[lavish jacinth]

I'd argue viend is equally bad or slightly worse

[quasi crystal]

Well viend gets corruption off it that's infinitely more useful than Mul ts benefit lol

[lavish jacinth]

corrupt special doesn't even have a cooldown so all it gives are extra charges, and iirc you only get a small amount of net corruption gain due to how long the animation is

[quasi crystal]

The animation scales with attack speed, corrupted suppress itself is a bad ability. I meant the passive corruption boost

[lavish jacinth]

oh right

[slim spoke]

25% with high attack speed is literally it

and i only needed 10 mochas

[quasi crystal]

It's a huge jump from mul t and viend to like or

[slim spoke]

oh ruin

yea i dont think anyones gonna get lysate with essence

[quasi crystal]

Neither of them use ruin

[slim spoke]

im talking abt the big picture

[quasi crystal]

Oh ok

[lavish jacinth]

ruin with lysate is actually good though

[quasi crystal]

Exactly lol

Lysate meditate is like very ok I guess commando is the 3rd worst lysate

[slim spoke]

lysate pylon

[lavish jacinth]

that's also pretty decent

[slim spoke]

also we have lysate grenade which is quite good for dmg buildup

[quasi crystal]

Grenade is a very just ok ability, as I said there's a huge jump from completely useless to boosts underwhelming abilities

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, mul-t and viend are on a whole other level of bad when it comes to lysate

[quasi crystal]

Even though it's true grenades on tp bosses is cool like all bad voids there's opportunity cost you can do that or just get 3 charges of a royal cap

[cursive compass]

MulT is definitely the worst, just by default

Viend is definitely second worst but the gap is decent since it at least does something on viend

id put captain as third worst

Theres often runs where i dont feel the need to use either beacon once, nevermind more

[fiery oriole]

I am at Aphelian Sanctuary, and I see this monument which seems like an altar. Is it any secret challenge ..? There is no button prompt but it's shape took my attention. (pic incoming)

[lavish jacinth]

nope, it's just a decoration

[fresh umbra]

What’s the point of cloaked chests

[lavish jacinth]

just for variety ig

[fiery oriole]

The debuff mentioned for Spinel Tonic, is permanent for this run?

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[quasi crystal]

resupply lysate can be awesome

[cursive compass]

Afaik they cost less to spawn than normal chests

[cursive compass]

It can be, but not often

[cursive compass]

but don’t quote me on that

[quasi crystal]

yeah captain is a huge hit or miss i agree, but the highs are high with him

[cursive compass]

Captain is peak even without beacons

one of my absolute favourite characters by a very wide margin

Him and viend are my favourites for sure

[quasi crystal]

captains m1 and shift are awesome yeah, i usually just forget i have his beacons unless im running shoick

[cursive compass]

Yeah same

I usually run shock/resupply, and shock only comes out if it becomes a cope run

[quasi crystal]

risk of resources seems to be down 😭

[cursive compass]

Resupply is really fun which is why I have it on the second slot, so I can still speedshoot

If shock has to be dropped chances are I won’t need to be speedshooting anyway

[cursive compass]

[quasi crystal]

speed shooting hurts my hands

[cursive compass]

Idk if I’m just lucky but I’ve never had any problems with it

A lot of people say its hard but you just spam really fast and it just kinda works

But yeah hand pain is a pain lol

[quasi crystal]

i once had a run where i got a preon and was runing resupply hack, was a very fast run

[slim spoke]

@lavish jacinth you remember wheres the wok for unlocking chef?

[umbral sable]

oh hey it’s captain talk, i just a few hours ago did the smushed challenge

[slim spoke]

congrats jon

[umbral sable]

thank you, also my name is jom

[lavish jacinth]

reformed altar, in a little room to the left of the statue's feet

[slim spoke]

you better be right. this map is the worst with void family event

[umbral sable]

good luck honestly

[slim spoke]

found it, do i needa do anything after finishing

[lavish jacinth]

don't think so

[slim spoke]

clearly not enough ingredient
what the fuck gbx

[lavish jacinth]

still need slug

[slim spoke]

waait that slug and not elixir?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

it would have to be a basegame item

[left trellis]

the good news is you don't need to worry about the other two ingredients now. if you come back on a different run with just Slug you should still get it

[void fossil]

I unlocked and yesterday and can someone explain what they do so I don’t pick them up and regret it or smth

[ocean dagger]

Berzerker's Pauldron - you go into a frenzy like with gourags opus so increased attack speed and speed if you kill 4 enemies in a quick time
Gesture of the drowned - decreased equipment cooldown by 50% but automatically uses your equip

[void fossil]

Oooo those sound pretty good Thanks

[lavish jacinth]

gesture is very good, pauldron not so much

and fwiw only lunar items have direct downsides, so it's pretty rare that you'd ever regret picking up a normal item. at worst they'll just be bad or not synergize with your survivor

[viral sorrel]

fwiw ?

[lavish jacinth]

for what it's worth

[turbid hinge]

guys in mithrix phase 4 does he turn into a ball and explode or sth

I somehow thrrew this to phase 4

[naive root]

is there crossplay for switch and pc yet?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

don't hold your breath for it either, there aren't any plans for it that we know of

[naive root]

damn

[lavish jacinth]

he steals all of your items and gives them back as you damage him

[naive citrus]

heyo guys for captain whats better between dagger and needlestick ?

[lavish jacinth]

stick with daggers for captain

bleed is good if you can consistently focus a lot of rapid procs on one target, which captain is good at

[fiery oriole]

Hello I started a run on monsoon with the following artifacts : swarm , command and sacrifice. But it seems that they drop like.. 15 enemies one item. Why so such low drop rate? Is this way?

[livid wedge]

I definitely regretted when the switch version had some items have double effect

[lavish jacinth]

drop rate is based on an enemy's spawn cost, fodder mobs have low drop chances

[fiery oriole]

I killed 50 enemies and got only one item drop

[livid wedge]

Because the ratio of enemies to chests on a stage is pretty low

[lavish jacinth]

the minimum drop chance is 5%

[cursive compass]

Additionally swarms lowers it even further

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it isn't completely halved though so swarms still gives you a lot more on average

[fiery oriole]

Ah I see okey I will remove the swarm artifact

[lavish jacinth]

you don't have to

[fiery oriole]

Should I keep on playing like this?

[lavish jacinth]

swarms makes sacrifice even more broken than it already is

[cursive compass]

Are you enjoying it?

Thats all that really matters

[lavish jacinth]

^

[fiery oriole]

I will give it a try! It’s my first time tho 🤣

Okey will try it!

[lavish jacinth]

command/sac/swarms is like the classic insta-win artifact combo

[cursive compass]

Personally I prefer playing without artifacts, but tons of people love them

[fiery oriole]

I am just messing with the game. Haven’t even went to the final boss

[cursive compass]

Take your time and enjoy everything the game has to offer!

There’s a ton of different ways to play, there’s always something for everyone

[fiery oriole]

Can you please define what item is that black orange in the center of the picture?

Sorry typing on phone and it was quicker to take a shot like this lol

[wide parrot]

That is the used

it's worthless, unless you want to say "Ahoy!" in chat a lot

[vale hollow]

It's like a burnt version of the ghostly tricorner hat you get when you have

[livid wedge]

I like giving them to equipment drones so they keep saying Ahoy! every so often

[mellow crystal]

not even a lot, it's like a 40s cooldown

[livid wedge]

60s

I wonder what it is about this particular spot in aqueducts that does that to interactables

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think I've ever seen that before

console thing? or is it a new bug

[turbid hinge]

no way I died to my nkhanu's

[livid wedge]

Not sure if it's console only. Although I don't recall seeing interactables spawn like that on switch

[lavish jacinth]

gotta be mindful of what items you had and what could work against you

the smart play would've been to hang back and poke him with capacitor since you didn't have any other ranged damage

[turbid hinge]

didnt even know he heals

[lavish jacinth]

he gets all of your items

he healed because you stopped damaging him and medkit went off

[turbid hinge]

wut

also why did he render out did the game glitch

[turbid hinge]

meskit healing him 8k hp?

[lavish jacinth]

he went invisible because he had stealthkit

[lavish jacinth]

it heals a % of your max health

and you had four of them

[turbid hinge]

actually the death is my fault, when I hit with the cap I was far from him and I still had my 17 focus crystals, if I was near him I would have killed him

[turbid hinge]

how much %

actually no

[lavish jacinth]

5% per stack

[turbid hinge]

I wouldnt have killed him, he had my dio

[lavish jacinth]

no you didn't, he took them lol

you would have

[turbid hinge]

watch the exact moment

[lavish jacinth]

he gives your items back the more you damage him, unless you oneshot him he would've given the dio back before he could use it

[turbid hinge]

I still had them in my items

[lavish jacinth]

he's invincible until your inventory is empty

[turbid hinge]

???

[lavish jacinth]

oh wait no, I might be wrong, lemme check something

[livid wedge]

This, and items given back is how much % health you've done to him in damage. Him healing or reviving will not give him the items back to mithrix

Even if he had like 100 ,he would still eventually give them back once you'd dealt enough damage

[cursive compass]

this is why I always scrap nkuhanas, even ignoring its very poor damage

[livid wedge]

Well, he usually becomes vulnerable a couple second before the last item is taken

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's what I was checking

if the item steal animation goes on for long enough, it'll start to speed up, and at that point I think the invulnerability wears off

[turbid hinge]

I had that much items lol

[livid wedge]

Yeah, once it has gone on long enough, he becomes vulnerable and the steal rate rapidly increases

[turbid hinge]

it is a shame I didnt complete such a run, in the stages bosses died without me putting an input

guys is there a ror2 cheat table?

[cursive compass]

Also useful to note, all of the items that get taken when the animation speed increases are not used by mithrix

[livid wedge]

Yeah, that's why mithrix can be troublesome. Items are your character's power.

[turbid hinge]

what that is great

[cursive compass]

He has a limit of 30 something?? Items

[lavish jacinth]

37

[turbid hinge]

37 different

[livid wedge]

That's 37 stacks, though

[turbid hinge]

or counting stacks?

[livid wedge]

Not different, it means he can't have more than 37 of a given item

[lavish jacinth]

it's 37 unique items, yeah

[livid wedge]

Wait, what

I thought it was the other way around

[cursive compass]

He can have any amount of stacks, it’s different item types

[lavish jacinth]

it's because of this

[livid wedge]

So that speed up phase, he doesn't actually have the items he steals?

[cursive compass]

Hence why he was unkillable if you had 50ish safer spaces before it got blacklisted, he uses them all

[turbid hinge]

I had 61 items

[cursive compass]

Yeah exactly

[livid wedge]

Interesting

[turbid hinge]

what is safer spaces?

[cursive compass]

he only steals the first 37 items

Or, only uses the first 37

[turbid hinge]

what order does he take them in

[lavish jacinth]

he does the slow stealing animation for 9 seconds, and during that time he'll take 37 items. But since he takes entire stacks at a time, the stack amount doesn't matter

[cursive compass]

, its the void item version of

[cursive compass]

Last item you picked up onwards

[turbid hinge]

what does it do, i know void items and the concept but i dont own dlc

[lavish jacinth]

it's a guaranteed block on a cooldown rather than a random chance

[turbid hinge]

scrapper order

and cooldown dec on stacks?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[turbid hinge]

how does it stack

exponential decay?

[cursive compass]

Stacks mehhly

[turbid hinge]

like what is the equation

[livid wedge]

I really wish enemies were not able to get items they literally can't use. I do enjoy having enemies in the void fields get things like sale star and regenerating scrap because that means they're not getting shuriken but it's stupid

[lavish jacinth]

exponential, -10% per stack

[cursive compass]

Its not the worst issue, enemies just aren’t balanced around items

Some items absolutely break the game when enemies get them

[livid wedge]

No, it's not even a balance thing, the enemy literally cannot use them

[lavish jacinth]

they're not supposed to, but the devs consistently forget that the enemy blacklist is a thing lol

[livid wedge]

Why is it in their item pool

[cursive compass]

Cause its in ours

[livid wedge]

I typed that and wasn't quick enough to stop before you posted

[turbid hinge]

I love when a jellyfish gets 5 tougher times