ror2-game-questions

[azure junco]

Well I have void fiend already ( I did 50 waves of simulacrum )

[steady stone]

Oh, I took it as like which one to unlock first. But yeah, it should be easier.

[azure junco]

Thank goodness, because simulacrum was a nightmare.

[vale quartz]

can u not 100% the game if u dont got the scond dlc for pc?

[nocturne apex]

You could play with another person who owns the dlc to get those achievements

[hoary sedge]

iirc you do need the dlc bc you can't get the character unlocks if you don't own it

not sure about false son but you just straight up can't interact with the chef shrine if you don't own sots

[dusky raven]

If you mean 100% the game on steam, no you cannot

Just a drawback with steam achievements is you can’t mark some as DLC

[steady stone]

Yeah, Preston addressed it back on the launch. It's sadly a Steam limitation.

[tribal kettle]

how am i supposed to pace my time, by the time i get to stage 4 im almost always in impossible or ISEEYOU no matter how fast im trying to go, should i not collect as much? im struggling a lot with this game right now

[peak jacinth]

you basically want to pace yourself by how many items you have at a given time. Usually you want to completely loot stages of their items and do so efficiently so that you have around 1 item for every minute on your timer

I like to have 1.5 items per minute on the timer, just to have a little leeway

[tribal kettle]

alright thanks, is it better to do the teleporter event first or last

[peak jacinth]

As long as you mostly adhere to that you shouldn’t be outscaled

[peak jacinth]

usually last but sometimes it’s ok to do it towards the end but not exactly last

enemies drop less gold during teleporter and they won’t spawn after it’s complete so often you just won’t get many items for the stage if you do tele first

[tribal kettle]

okay cool

[tiny sentinel]

will the seekers of the storm dlc ruin the base game if i don't like the content? lots of negative reviews about the game being buggy

[quasi crystal]

The bugs weren't from the dlc itself rather the updates
Generally the base game isn't really ruined besides one annoying enemy added in the dlc getting spammed in over half the stages

[nocturne apex]

again, dlc content is average, it's the update that comes with the dlc that causes the bugs

most of them are fixed now

[sand thunder]

does 57 leaf clover affect the drop rate of items from artifact of sacrafice

[nocturne apex]

no

[mortal wing]

can't tell if it's a bug or not but is warped echo supposed to trigger when you have barrier hp

it's really odd to just be losing hp when i have over half my health covered with barrier hp

[copper frigate]

is there any easy way of getting the glorius battle achievement (its the complete a tp with less then 10% of hp one)

nvm got it

[sterile moat]

Are the DLCs worth it

I mean the base game itself seems infinite and I already got nearly 20hrs yet I feel like I just installed it

[mental sorrel]

Nice job (I got it by doing a glass run as rex lmao, just spamming m2 the entire time)

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, they add a lot of cool stuff to play with

If you decide to get them I recommend starting with Survivors of the Void, void items are a neat mechanic and it's pretty much universally considered the better dlc

Seekers is still a little rough around the edges, it's gotten a lot better and is still being updated, but if you only get one or the other then SotV is the one to get

[sand thunder]

Im doing a monsoon railgunner run, and i want to unlock void fiend, if i go for void fiend ending do i still get mastery?

for railgunner

[mental sorrel]

I believe you have to escape the moon to get the mastery
I'm not sure if defeating mithrix then going to voidling will work

[sand thunder]

i thought obliterating on monsoon still gives mastery

as well

[mental sorrel]

Yeah it does, but going to voidling doesn't count as obliterating

[sand thunder]

oh

[mental sorrel]

Obliterating happens in the celestial portal on stage 8 (or every 3rd stage each loop)

[sand thunder]

i figured it would since it says fate unknown... at the end for both endings

[mental sorrel]

That's fair, two different things though

[sand thunder]

alr

[azure junco]

So I want to try a new survivor, and I’ve been a bandit main up until this point, who should I try who’s kinda similar and easy to pick up? ( I have everyone but acrid and the seekers of the storm dlc )

[mental sorrel]

There's a lot of ways you could go

What do ya like most about bandit

[azure junco]

His passive and the fact he can jump multiple times.

[mental sorrel]

Merc has the ability to do that aswell, built in double jump + crazy mobility with his skills

Ummm, railgunner can basically always crit too

[azure junco]

I’ll try out mercenary, is there any specific items that do good for him?

[mental sorrel]

It's less about the items, and more about the tech's on him that'll make ya good. Any sorta damage is good tho, same with mobility

[azure junco]

Got it

[mental sorrel]

He has lots of i-frames, so healing doesn't need to be prioritized asss much

[azure junco]

So don’t really rely on topaz brooches and such

[mental sorrel]

I mean normally it's good not to do that either way, but if you're stacking em a shit ton, ya might aswell

He can kill stuff pretty quickly, so that barrier will stack

[sterile moat]

Alright, thanks

[azure junco]

How many stages does the voidling have

I’ve beaten it twice already

[azure junco]

I died on the last stage are you kidding me

[wintry fjord]

Does beating voidling make you go up in eclipse/get a Mastery skin?

[lavish jacinth]

technically yes, but the normal path to voidling is disabled in eclipse. You can only get there via the glass frog so you have to kill mithrix either way

[wintry fjord]

Oh ok

[fair rock]

Hello! Today I've had the silliest run where, among several other oddities, we had way more items replaced by Eulogy Zero than we expected. Does 57 Leaf Clover on someone else's inventory count towards another person's Eulogy Zero, for any reason whatsoever??

[lavish jacinth]

it's not affected by luck at all, you probably just got some good (or bad, depending on how you look at it) RNG

it IS a global effect though, so one person having eulogy will affect everyone

or if multiple people have it, it'll add up the total number of stacks

[fair rock]

Hold on a minute, that's not what I saw on the wiki. 57 Leaf Clover does affect Eulogy Zero according to its exhaustive list of things it can effect

[lavish jacinth]

oh wait, I misread this

[steady stone]

If the clover was on another player though, it shouldn't matter
Luck is a stat tied to each character

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[fair rock]

Yeah, so, I had 2 Clovers on me and someone else had 2 Eulogies

(Allegedly just two, might've been more, idk)

[steady stone]

That would be 10% chance for each item

Also including printers and such, so if someone got a lot of lunars, that could be the reason

Since it doesn't change the input, so like 1 white for 1 lunar

[fair rock]

In fairness I think all we didn't know if that it would replace Every boss item drop and the guaranteed Legendary drop from Siren's Call

So uh, we did...not have a good time after looping once xd

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it replaces any item that would normally be chosen randomly

[steady stone]

every item lol, including things like monster items, such as in vields.

[lavish jacinth]

which means there's a non-zero chance for monsters in vields to get all 4 heresy items and become heretic, fun fact

[steady stone]

It's blacklisted nowadays though, no?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

oh wait, maybe it is

[steady stone]

Heresy items are all mentioned on the blacklist page https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:AIBlacklist_Items

They can still get Ego, which is bad enough

[lavish jacinth]

Hopoo never was good at deciding which items needed to be blacklisted

[steady stone]

wasn't blacklisted until sots actually lol, which sucks at 65 stacks

Mithrix with 1 frame shield is essentially unkillable

Although, the wiki page for says it isn't blacklisted, but it is listed under "BrotherBlackList"

[lavish jacinth]

probably because there aren't any cases where monsters besides mithrix can get void items iirc

[steady stone]

Let me find the line I mean

it's listed in specifically BrotherBlacklist
not Blacklist

i.e.

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's just outdated then

[steady stone]

I hear different answers on this from different people here, so I wasn't sure which one
From experience it seemed like safer didn't work, but it could've also been a frame 1 kill because I was looping with fmp + gas

[lavish jacinth]

I always forget to check when I have it, lol

but they did blacklist tesla coil, didn't they?

[steady stone]

that's on general blacklist i believe

brotherblacklist is like specifically mithrix

yeah, it's banned for all enemies

[full apex]

Does eulogy come before or after blacklist? I feel like i remember doing some shenans with it on purpose but i cant remember how long ago

Like im pretty sure i turned everything into heretic once haha

[steady stone]

The wiki page doesn't mention the blacklist (other than the fact that eulogy is on brotherblacklist)

But I don't see why heresy would be blacklisted for enemies if eulogy could?

I can't think of another way to get heretic onto an enemy

There could easily be some... signature ror2 jank going on though, that would somehow bypass it

[fringe fiber]

good on engineer or nah

[steady stone]

Visions can be pretty good to swap out the sentry m1, and can make it do 4x damage on turrets, at the cost of proc chance

iirc it's more commonly used on mobile turrets though

[full apex]

the turrets have very similar damage and proc output so visions is a somewhat big upgrade on both

upgrade for engi too lol

[marble osprey]

I like it bc I hate using his base primary

It being good for turrets is a side benefit

[steady stone]

correct me if i'm wrong, but the problem with mobile was it simply missing, wasn't it?

like the damage is statistically similar but not practically

[full apex]

i dont think they should be aiming that differently and it has homing

[steady stone]

Makes sense, could've swore i've seen it shoot past stuff though

[full apex]

probably occasionally just from spread esp if stuff is up close so the coming cant kick in

[dark canyon]

mobile turrets suck at shooting aerial enemies usually, visions makes it more accurate

[fringe fiber]

So no or yeah?

[full apex]

but i think it was like 2x more dps so

[full apex]

its very good, if you dont dislike it yourself at least try it out

[fringe fiber]

Its not gonna replace my turrets shooting right?

[full apex]

yea before any items its >2x more dps

[steady stone]

It will

[full apex]

it replaces the turret shots but its an upgrade most of the time

it scales worse with attack speed because of the cooldown, but it does still scale and is a big enough up front boost i tend to take it most of the time. also just because its nice on engi

also eulogy is fnuy

their first lunar from it was eulogy lol. but they did end up with essence

i dont think eulogy's override considers the blacklist

longstanding makes them give no rewards lmao.

3 in a row lucky

aaand now everything is heretic

alloy worship unit too

mithrix is coverted too which means phase 4 cant item steal

void fiend is not because hes void team not enemy and void team doesnt get evolution

[quasi crystal]

Void fiend or voidling

[full apex]

fuck

voidling

lol

[quasi crystal]

Voidling transforming to heretic soft locks the game

[full apex]

void seed enemies though also no evolution

[full apex]

does it not trigger the portals or smth?

[quasi crystal]

It does not

[full apex]

damn lol

wait he just respawned in the same arena area o:

phase 3 was on top of the player spawn tho which is very funny

oh i see the problem
the end run portal fucks off to the end of the stage so youre stuck in the first area lol

[quasi crystal]

For me the heretics fucked off to the next area

[full apex]

Might behave differently if void team had the items inherently

I was giving them manually before killing so

[analog brook]

Oh my god @livid wedge its real! I knew it (:<

[daring trellis]

yo guys does dlc characters count for making gold in eclipse?

[analog brook]

Yes, you need to complete eclipse for those aswell

[daring trellis]

thx thx

[proven light]

I'm thinking of buy ror2 on switch and have heard the scaling is harder. Is it really noticeable or is it just barely changed?

[ocean crow]

When selecting dlc what’s the difference between the gold border and no border on the icons in the expansions area

[quasi crystal]

New

[ocean crow]

Huh

[quasi crystal]

It means the content is newly unlocked

[dusky raven]

Stuff is on or off by default

The box just means it’s selected which only really matters for rule voting in multiplayer lobbies

[quasi crystal]

Oh wow my bad lmao I thought on by default was a white border

[fast badger]

Can you fight false son multiple times in a run if you loop?

[daring cloak]

No you cant go to prime meridian again if you killed false son

[lavish jacinth]

not sure where you heard that unless it's really outdated info, the scaling is the same across all platforms afaik

the console ports used to be harder in general due to the sheer number of bugs they had, but that's all been fixed

[proven light]

Oh

My bad

Thanks tho

[lavish jacinth]

np

[fast badger]

Nuh uh

[daring cloak]

What the fu

[fast badger]

I killed false son around 4 times, now I wonder if you can do the same for others platform

[daring cloak]

That shit is DEFINITELY not intended

[fast badger]

Maybe, after all the green portal did definitely stop spawning but not the one in the golden dimension

[glad egret]

Hi! Is the games logic still bond with FPS?

[daring cloak]

No

[glad egret]

Good

[livid wedge]

You do not recognize the bodies in the water

[open cradle]

Hey guys is there 120fps support on ps5 for the game?

[open cradle]

Alright

[azure junco]

Is the game cross play? Because my friend is gonna be getting the game on pc and I play and console so I’m wondering if I’ll be able to play with him or not

[daring cloak]

No

[azure junco]

Damn

[gaunt pine]

How do you aviod the grandparents attacks? I'm just taking damage and theres nothing I can do to stop it

[cursive compass]

It gets blocked by walls and other terrain, and also only covers a certain range around the grandparent

If there's a shadow on the floor, its safe to stand there

(This also applies to the Wandering Vagrant explosion attack)

[gaunt pine]

What kind of attack is it? Everything looks "burning" and i was pretty far

Just taking my entire health over about 8 seconds

[cursive compass]

It applies an effect to you that inflicts you with increasing stacks of the burn effect

The longer you stand in it the higher the damage gets, and the longer it lasts when you leave the area its affecting

[daring cloak]

Grandparents only start to use the attack once theyve reached half health

[cursive compass]

It can only use the attack once it goes below 50% HP, so its a matter of being aware of it and preparing

Also, it can be used to kill other enemies since it hits everything!

[gaunt pine]

How do you prepare? Find the shadows ?

[daring cloak]

Try to spot when they are raising their arms above their heads

[gaunt pine]

Hm ok

[daring cloak]

Ideally look for safe spots before the grandparent even starts the attack so you can react quicker

[cursive compass]

Mainly staying out of line of sight, or starting to try to run out of the aoe

[gaunt pine]

Right so the damage is line of sight from the boss

[daring cloak]

Its too big to outrun unless youre already a good distance away

[daring cloak]

Not quite

Its line of sight from the sun the boss summons above its head

[gaunt pine]

Ahh ok

Thats the important thing

Thanks guys!

[cursive compass]

No problem! Good luck!

[daring cloak]

Also true that thing just completely murders anything thats inside its range for a while

[fierce pebble]

i

[cursive compass]

It also makes enemies target the grandparent if they get hit, despite them not being able to hurt it

So its a good distraction

It also obliterates your drones, so gotta be careful around them

[quasi crystal]

that interaction is always funny

[cursive compass]

yeah lol

They get pissed and I can't blame them

[celest kayak]

best switch fps

do you need chaos for grandparent friendly fire?

[marble osprey]

Nope it'll always do it for some reason
Which does also mean that if you have happiest mask and get a grandparent ghost on your team, it'll still kill you

[quasi crystal]

Fun fact a happiest mask false son will try to kill you; it can't but it tries its best

For some reason fs is just hardcoded to attack you regardless of team it's very funny

[analog brook]

Honestly to me those arnt even bad frames

[ocean crow]

I swear these elite enemies as teleporter “bosses” are harder than actual bosses 😭😭

[livid wedge]

If you get them as an early boss, I agree

I dread the Horde of Many Overloading Golems on stage 1

[celest kayak]

loool legit it depends who you are tho some people like crowds ie loader

[ocean crow]

lol I was on Rex stage 4 abyssal depths and I had NOTHING and it spawned a bunch of overloading brass contraptions which I dodged easily but they were so hard to hit with all the ELDER LUMERIANS IN THE WAY so they kinda rocked my world

[azure junco]

Is it normal to beat voidling in less than three minutes? Even on drizzle

Because I had a highest damage shot of 33k with a single shot from Captain

[pure dawn]

voidling is very tanky

it also depends on the survivor

[azure junco]

I uh- even on drizzle? I killed him in less then three minutes only using captains primary fire

With this build

[daring cloak]

Not surprising

[pure dawn]

you got no watches or crit

[lavish jacinth]

scorpion counters final bosses pretty hard

[pure dawn]

damage is multiplicative from different sources

[daring cloak]

Bleed too

[pure dawn]

would recommend grabbing bleed, watches, atgs, sticky bombs, crowbars (for a bit), bands

[azure junco]

I have ten ocular devices in the bottom right

[pure dawn]

those are meh

you are running command
grab capacitor or something

[lavish jacinth]

even a single watch still would've done a lot of good

always better to have different damage sources multiplying each other instead of just stacking one thing

I mean it's command so it's hard to go wrong but still

[azure junco]

Don’t have it yet, I only got the game like four days ago.

[daring cloak]

Oh also

Do not take laser scope before behemoth

[pure dawn]

some other good dps options

[daring cloak]

Base crit damage is 200% and laser scope turns that to 300% so effectively 50% more damage from crits whereas behemoth is 60% more damage on all hits with added aoe

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

only exception would maybe be with railgunner or bandit with a crowbar/band setup

[azure junco]

I mean this run was also me trying to slay aurelionite before any beacons got put out. But I never found the golden statue so I kinda just rolled with what I already had.

[quasi crystal]

any tips for what itesm to stack for bandit ?

[lavish jacinth]

He's a pretty good all-rounder if you're using desperado, he has decent procs and burst damage so you can focus on either depending on what items you get. Although with lights out you'll probably rely on procs more

Crit synergy items are obviously good with his passive, especially shatterspleen, but actual crit chance isn't super necessary

also not really an item but drones are extra helpful with his cloak, having minions around makes it much more likely that enemies will switch targets while you're invisible (since they can still technically "see" you once per second while cloaked)

[ruby totem]

Mithrix kills are the only ones counted in the "win" stat?

[lavish jacinth]

Cooldown reduction is also great if you wanna build into desperado specifically, in particular

[ruby totem]

Like, if I obliterate, kill false son and use the shrine etc. That doesn't count in the stats?

[lavish jacinth]

I think so but I'd have to check, profile stats are really weird and janky though

[ruby totem]

I ask because I have like 35 wins only but 475 deaths of 719 games so the math isn't mathing

I do tend to obliterate myself instead of going for Mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's probably it then
the other endings are "fate unknown" whereas Mithrix is the only one that actually gives you a victory. I don't usually pay any attention to my stats lol

[indigo magnet]

any tips for the prismatic trial today

I'm trying to get the achievement

[lavish jacinth]

#prismatic-trials message

[safe phoenix]

what does giving a halcyon seed at the end of the false son altar do

[indigo magnet]

ty

[lavish jacinth]

nothing special, it just saves it as the item for artifact of rebirth

[safe phoenix]

oh ok thanks

[indigo magnet]

how does the atg missile glitch work and can I do it on console

[lavish jacinth]

what glitch?

[lavish jacinth]

or do you mean the thing in this video at the end
Bc that's not a bug with the missile launcher, I think enemies just die instantly if they spawn on top of a projectile

[bitter mural]

i noticed grandparent's sun burn attack damages seeker through sojourn ability, is this supposed to happen?? the wiki states that seeker is immune to damage while in sojourn?

[lavish jacinth]

were you already on fire before using it?

[bitter mural]

dont remember...

it looked as though the stacks were still increasing through as i was in sojourn

[lavish jacinth]

actually just to rule out the obvious, are you sure the burn was actually damaging you and not just the normal damage from sojourn?

Otherwise I can test that out in a bit

[indigo magnet]

then why can't I do it

[lavish jacinth]

just checked and yeah, apparently it does just ignore sojourn's invincibility. Not sure if that's an issue with sojourn or the burn attack though

[lavish jacinth]

it's just really precise I think, I can't recreate it even with debug toolkit lol
Cabbage is just built different

pretty sure that's how it works tho, people use it to instakill AWU iirc since its spawn is predictable
disposable missile launcher isn't really ideal tho

alright ignore me, I'm either totally misremembering how this bug works or I suck at doing it lmao

[north coral]

You seem familiar

You were here months ago when I spammed questions when I started

[steady stone]

yeah he lives here

[lavish jacinth]

I was just about to say that

[north coral]

Ok now I have a stupid question

[lavish jacinth]

I have a stupid answer, probably

[north coral]

So I was playing with friends, false son raid, we all had the seed I made sure of it (I already have fs) but We did 2 runs, one in drizzle and one in rainstorm, both times won, but he Hasn’t gotten false son either of the times (he has the dlc)

Am I killing the boss too fast?

[lavish jacinth]

it's possible, yeah

[north coral]

I’m too powerful :(

[steady stone]

Could be. Auri has to spawn and stuff, but you dont have to kill auri first.

[lavish jacinth]

you have to make sure aurelionite actually spawns

[north coral]

Auri never spawned when I got fs solo

Or the first time I unlocked him on pc when it came out

[steady stone]

Yeah that's probably the problem

Just make sure auri spawns first, but kill them in any order

Auri will still be aggro after killing false son though

[north coral]

Basically just slow down then

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[north coral]

Me with my God build engineer turrets ready to Incinerate the boss:

[steady stone]

Yeah, consider putting them towards the edge of the arena

[lavish jacinth]

I think Auri also doesn't spawn until phase 3

[steady stone]

final phase yeah iirc, if that's what phase 3 is

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[eternal fractal]

Will there be anymore dlcs?

[north coral]

I’m p sure the last time we fought him there wasn’t even a phase 3 bro just gave up

[lavish jacinth]

we don't know

[lavish jacinth]

yeah he dies really fast

what no adaptive armor does to a mf

[eternal fractal]

That would be cool to see

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, we just got one a few months ago

[steady stone]

Oh true, he doesn't have it specifically on stage 3 for some reason right? He still does on the other 2

[north coral]

Well considering the Two dlcs were released 9 months apart, and were 5 months post sots, we Might have a chance of another in around 4 months

[steady stone]

Or, no, he doesn't have it on phase 2 it says on the wiki.

why even...

[lavish jacinth]

well, they need to finish this one first

also they were WAY more than 9 months apart

[north coral]

Am I dumb

[lavish jacinth]

gearbox!

[north coral]

I just look up the first thing I see on the internet

[lavish jacinth]

SotV came out what, 2022?

[north coral]

I thought it said November 2023

[azure junco]

What is the exact number chance for Aurelionites statue?

[lavish jacinth]

It took over a year to make it to consoles tho

[steady stone]

Well, the realm of gold is a 5% in lunar seer. Gold altar is... not just like a "chance"

[north coral]

Console schmolsole I have BOTH

[lavish jacinth]

there isn't one, it's just based on director credits and spawn weights

[steady stone]

It costs "credits" which are determined and spread out before you go into a stage

[north coral]

I’ve bought the game 3 times and both dlcs twice unfortunately

[azure junco]

So it’s rng.

[north coral]

If Cross progression comes out do you think it’ll Make you choose an account or combine both?

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it would be rng either way

[steady stone]

yeah, just loop + try to go to newt for lunar seer every stage

[lavish jacinth]

there just isn't a specific chance for it to appear

[azure junco]

I’m just trying to unlock the eccentric vase and I havent been able to find it

[lavish jacinth]

having sacrifice enabled increases your odds a bit, no chests means you get more shrines

[north coral]

There’s a newt on every stage?

[steady stone]

Always, except for like a stage 1 i think? Like on that stage 1 it can exist but be unreachable.

Some also have guaranteed spawn places, but one always spawns in a different place. There's like a set of possible spots

[north coral]

Nothing is impossible with 100 Feathers

[azure junco]

Past six feathers is just excessive

[north coral]

Tactical escape

[azure junco]

Launching yourself to the stratosphere is a little more then a tactical escape

[north coral]

Tactical.

[hoary sedge]

every stage has at least 1 guaranteed spawn except one sirens call variant yeah

[north coral]

You can’t crash land on a planet if you make it back to the ship

[full apex]

I need to confirm the new stages still but otherwise every stage except alt roost always spawns at least one newt, that one being allowed to hit 0 is weird

Found ittttt
I was wrong its base roost thats 0-1, not alt

Other stage 1s are 1-1 but some others are like 1-3 or 2-2 so its not always 1

[cursive compass]

There is also that one newt that can spawn in abyssal even when the cave is closed

[full apex]

Yea
Theres no dummy checks so they can be inaccessible, but they'll at least spawn i guess lol

[cursive compass]

Its the thought that counts I guess lol

[full apex]

Since its not am interactable it doesn't check if loot can spawn (which makes some sense since a lot spawn out of bounds or in awkward spots)

I do wonder if the intention was it always being accessible? Some require movement stuff tho so maybe they were fine with it occasionally being locked up?.

[cursive compass]

I honestly doubt they noticed that it could happen, and knowing hopoo, they probably thought it was funny

[north coral]

No more questions

[north coral]

Ok maybe 1 more question

[indigo magnet]

does void fields time count towards the timed chest in raypoint delta

[quasi crystal]

If you mod the timer to continue yes. @indigo magnet
If not no; hidden realms don't continue the timer

[north coral]

Tldr: time doesnt exist in space

Only time that matters is in the top right

[indigo magnet]

ohhh ok

is there a way to manipulate the game so that I can guarantee getting raypoint as my third stage

[full apex]

assuming you mean not mods or shenanigans, your best option is using the lunar seers via the blue portal bazaar

you have decent odds to see it in one of the seers which will guarantee, and if not you could still get it normally. that will cost lunar coins, but not too many. 1 for newt, 3 more if rallypoint is available

[indigo magnet]

okay

[blazing garnet]

Anyone know if health buff applies for FS growth?

[quasi crystal]

If you don't have dlcs enabled lunar seer isn't guaranteed still but Incredibly likely unless the golden coast chance buff is part of the base game

[quasi crystal]

Wiki says so

[indigo magnet]

ok

[quasi crystal]

Hope u unlock the chest

[tender crag]

does anyone know if theres a mod that makes interactables more noticable? im currently using ChestESP because couldnt find anything else

[daring cloak]

All health that isnt gotten from levelling up counts towards growth

And tonic is arguably the best health buff in the game so if you can make the tonic build on fs you absolutely should

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-modding would be the best place to ask
There is the minimap mod, but it's pretty laggy and hasn't been updated so it's not ideal https://thunderstore.io/package/DekuDesu/MiniMapMod/

[tender crag]

oh thanks, ill try it just to see how it is

[nocturne apex]

There is a mod that highlights chests and interactables

QoLChests iirc

[blazing garnet]

I'd debate stone pauldron is better (and also a lot easier to get my hands on)

Also I thought growth applied to base health gained from leveling AND bonus health?

[lavish jacinth]

nope, only bonus health

[blazing garnet]

Yeah nvm I'm wrong
Wiki does say leveling up boosts growth from tonic though because its percentage based

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[blazing garnet]

Would it not also boost growth from stone flux then because thats a 100% boost instead of 20%?

[lavish jacinth]

it would, and stone flux is "better" in the sense that you get more growth from it, but you have to compensate for it quite a lot

but tonic is a vastly better buff overall, and you can still compensate for affliction if you don't get too much of it. Plus growth has diminishing returns, so the smaller health buff isn't necessarily that much worse

[blazing garnet]

Yeah stone flux is just an easier grab

Stone flux tonic goes kinda nutty though, 40 lunar spikes makes you kind of unkillable

100HP/s please 🙏

[lavish jacinth]

meanwhile chef struggling to do anything at all:

[blazing garnet]

Chef needs nerfs, buff FS

[livid wedge]

For Runic Lens, is the 3% per 100% damage continuous or incremental

Like, will a 250% attack get me 7.5% extra chance or 6% extra chance

[lavish jacinth]

I think it's continuous, at least according to the wiki it just uses totaldamage/basedamage

granted this is the formula before the rework, but I'm assuming the math hasn't changed all that much

[daring cloak]

Actually does runic still have limits on the unique damage scaling?

[lavish jacinth]

I think so? Charlie would probably know

[livid wedge]

I think it used to be 7000 or 7500

[full apex]

I think they made the chance cap 75 too, unless that was a mistake last time i read the code

Also yea it doesn't break down the per % stuff into chunks it just divides. So 50% changes are fine even tho it says per 100

[willow remnant]

A friend wanted me to ask

"There are always two remaining void monsters in stages 20+ but for some reason, they don't even show up. No indicators, they're not barnacles, etc."

Is it a glitch??

The run ended at stage 27 when the game crashed at that point PC went blue screen and died this information is a bit irrelevant but yeah

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's a known bug with void seeds, sometimes void monsters just don't exist even though the game thinks they should.
Really late stages are also prone to weird spawning bugs in general so it's not too surprising that you're seeing it often

[willow remnant]

Thank you for the information, Fellow Survivor

I think whats worse is that she got stuck in Stage 27 because the Teleporter was inside the Void Seed which sucked

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, unfortunately there's not much you can do about it

[full apex]

found what i was looking at before

so yea appears to be 75%. damage is still 7500%

[foggy hornet]

How many stacks to scrap beads at?

[lavish jacinth]

stacks of the item itself or the buff it gives?

[foggy hornet]

Buff

I scrap it at around 20

Am I starving myself or not

[lavish jacinth]

yeah 20 is fine, there isn't really an optimal amount

iirc it has diminishing returns so usually 20 is about as many as you can get anyway, it's about 4 levels worth of stats

and the diminishing returns carry over even if you scrap it and get another one so yeah, it doesn't matter too much. Ideally you wanna get as many buff stacks as you can but it's better to scrap it too early than to not at all

[full apex]

The levels themselves are the same but it takes exponentially longer to fill each new buff stack cause of how level scaling works

[foggy hornet]

Oh I see

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[foggy hornet]

First of all I greatly underestimated the stats it gives second of all yay I'm not wasting those

[lavish jacinth]

didn't they also fix the item itself not stacking correctly? It wasn't in the patch notes but I heard it was a silent fix

[full apex]

Yea it got silently patched

[daring cloak]

So many things just got silently patched with the last update

[ruby totem]

Obliterating gives you a survivors log?

[daring cloak]

Yes

Any ending works

Just not eclipse

[ruby totem]

Even false son shrine?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[ruby totem]

Ty, after 87 minutes o don't want to go Mithrix and risking a crash (switch bug yeii)

[ruby totem]

affects log drop rate right? Anyone knows how much % is the increase?

[full apex]

Yes

Enemies are 1% and bosses are 3% base chance

[lavish jacinth]

I forget the exact increase but one clover is always slightly less than double the base chance (unless it's over 50%)

[full apex]

So clover would be based on those. I don't have my pc up rn to pull up my clover chart...

[lavish jacinth]

since it's just doing one extra rng roll per stack

[ruby totem]

So 30 clovers would guarantee, got it

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, not guaranteed
but you'd have good odds

[ruby totem]

Im missing like 5 logs, the problem is that one of those is voidling 💀

[lavish jacinth]

with 30 clovers, you'd basically have 31 3% chances for a log from a boss
technically more in that case since voidling can drop a log from each of its phases

[ruby totem]

5 clovers should be a pretty good chance right?

5 reds is more realistic than 30 lol (with of course)

[lavish jacinth]

well, for every 5 stacks of you can get a free guaranteed red from the bazaar every stage

and there's the thing with and devotion

unless that doesn't work anymore, I forget

[ruby totem]

What does that do? (Or did)

[ruby totem]

I... I didn't think of that....
Thank you

[lavish jacinth]

you used to get a crashed shop for each of your lems, with practically guaranteed reds in them since the rarity is based on the total number of stacks across all allies

[ruby totem]

There isn't any way of guarantee (or increase the odds) of scanners for the environment logs?

[lavish jacinth]

I remember someone saying that no longer works though, I keep forgetting to check

[ruby totem]

100% ror2 is kind of a pain in the ass lol

[lavish jacinth]

turning on sacrifice and command helps a bit, and so does being in multiplayer

no chests or printers means you get other stuff instead

[ruby totem]

Got it, thanks for the help

I read that sacrifice increased the probability of cleansing pools but for some reason I didn't think about scanners lol

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I don't think it's a huge difference but it does help

[livid wedge]

Ye, because the director has more credits to play with since it doesn't have to spawn chests

[north coral]

I didn’t even think of this

[full apex]

Half as much loot spawns with sac, but this still is enough of an impact to be a net increase in chance for rare stuff

[quasi crystal]

Command removes printers and cleansing pools so it helps sa little too

[magic gazelle]

im in guilded coast theres a gold and green portals what does each do? im guessing gold is to leave guilded coast.

[dull kindle]

Green is for dlc, gold is to go to the next normal stage

[magic gazelle]

thanks

[vale quartz]

How am I supposed to get swing by as loader if celestial ports is at stage 7 or 8 (I forgot which stage it’s at)

[blazing garnet]

Drizzle + Artifact of command minimalist run (try finding the newt statue stage 1 if you know its spawn locations, getting 3 will be pretty helpful, and void fields will counteract the whole no items thing)
Celestial portal is stage 8

[foggy hornet]

Unironically this

[blazing garnet]

Yes that is why I said it

[bleak walrus]

1 monster remaining bug anyone knows how to fix?

it happened so many times

sometimes there are arrows down sometimes they dont

sometimes they litterally dont exist at all

[quasi crystal]

Scorch worms just get stuck outside the map sadly

[bleak walrus]

bruh

will they fix it or is it a feature now?

[quasi crystal]

They said they're looking at the new enemies so hopefully

[bleak walrus]

ok thats nice

thanks for helping me

[vale quartz]

I got it and figured out like a really good way to do it

Bassicly like a razor wire build with that one lunar item that does like an aoe attack that hits u with glass artifacts, swarm, sacrifice, and I forgot the others worked really well and a

[royal pecan]

Hi, quick question:
If prayer beads (The one that gives you stored stats on removal gets upgraded by Benthic Bloom will it still gives the stored stats?

[daring cloak]

It didnt give the stat boosts through benthic in prior versions but it might've been fixed with the current update

[quasi crystal]

no sadly

[fresh umbra]

Nice pfp LMFAO

[foggy hornet]

Are seeker orbs just super shit

[daring cloak]

What no they are op as shit

[foggy hornet]

Tried them on 4 players monsoon they didn't do damage

[foggy hornet]

What do they even do

[daring cloak]

Theyre not meant for damage

Their main purpose is to give you barrier out the ass

[foggy hornet]

This fucking sucks

[daring cloak]

If you pair that with soujourn you can stay in soujourn for ages which makes the aoe and damage of its explosion skyrocket

[foggy hornet]

Worst ability in the game

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, they also do a good amount of damage

[foggy hornet]

That's too complicated I'll take the fist

Feels like trading harpoons for bubble

[lavish jacinth]

orbs might actually be her best damage ability lol

they also spin faster for a while if you recast the skill after having 6 orbs out

[full apex]

Yea i love the orbs. Having a bunch is fun, pretty nice procs it feels too

Plus they are amazing with lux, which i think might be her best build if you're willing to use lunars

[open cradle]

Is there ever gonna be a performance mode (120hz) for ps5

[daring cloak]

Maybe but it doesnt seem to be currently planned

[open cradle]

Damn

[indigo magnet]

I'm new to ror2, how do I make the skulls from nukahanas opinion do more dmg? no dlc items

[daring cloak]

You dont

Technically they deal more damage the more hp you have but that also increases the amount of healing you need to fire the skulls

[indigo magnet]

ohhhh

ok, so I just get more bungus

[lavish jacinth]

anything that multiplies damage will work, etc.

(And that's true of ANY source of damage btw)

[daring cloak]

Its overall just a really bad item that isnt really worth the effort and setup it takes to make use of it

[indigo magnet]

I'm playing engineer

[daring cloak]

Engi is the odd one out yeah

[lavish jacinth]

bungus engie is the one case where n'khuana's is pretty decent yeah

in most cases it's pretty mid

[lavish jacinth]

still though, go for these instead of only getting bungus. Always better to mix different damage sources so that they multiply eachother instead of focusing on just one thing

the skulls can proc items too but have a really low proc coefficient (idk if you know what that is yet lol)

[cursive compass]

Yeah Nkuhanas needs a LOT of setup and item real estate to get it to a serviceable level, and the low proc coefficient kinda screws it over no matter what

[lavish jacinth]

it especially doesn't help that it has a built-in fire rate cap of 10 skulls per second, I forgot to mention that earlier but it's yet another reason why it would be better to stack other multipliers instead of just getting more healing

[full apex]

i feel like its not that bad

its not great, but its decent if you have good healing which isnt the most uncommon thing

also in order to hit the firerate cap youd need to be healing quite a lot, like >100% max hp per second

which is only really practical to expect on bungus turrets since you can overlap 30% or so

its kinda like turning 2.5x your healing into damage

actually i wonder how it would compare just doing like razorwire vs medkit, both would trigger on hit. it should be mathable

[lavish jacinth]

it's definitely not the worst red but still not amazing without some setup

it's maybe worth considering that more experienced players probably aren't gonna go out of their way to build healing as much as new players are lol

[full apex]

with sotv its more likely to be strong thanks to wungus being broken

but thats kinda a wungus being funny thing ig

[lavish jacinth]

actually now I wonder, what's the breakpoint where n'khuana's + wungus becomes better than disciple? assuming no other speed or healing items and wungus is they only thing you're stacking

[full apex]

yea its decent

if you consider medkit being white and razorwire green, they arent insanely far apart at a 3/1 ratio

i can try putting disciple in, i forgor its stats so i will look them up

oh right
speed
what speed do i use

[lavish jacinth]

just go with base speed sprint speed ig

[full apex]

at 5 stacks its 116% ratio, 4 is 93%

so like wungus nkuhanas would be 81 vs disciple at 88 with 4 wungus stacks

movespeed will make disciple better, but disciple is also quite a nice item and is boss so

[flint prawn]

I would love to see all of these sheets sometime, legit the best tests on anything RoR related

[full apex]

this one im kinda just making rn

[ionic igloo]

Wiki says Visions of Heresy has a special interaction with Mithrix, but what is it?

[high forum]

He has some unique dialogue

but the fight is otherwise the same

[ionic igloo]

I see

[lavish jacinth]

I think the special dialogue only triggers for heretic, I don't think anything happens with just visions

I'm not even sure why the wiki mentions it on visions' page specifically

[high forum]

oh sorry, I totally misread that. Yeah, the dialogue triggers if you're the heretic character, not just having visions

[hoary sedge]

could also be talking about how he doesn't steal it, like the other heresy items

[steady stone]

nah, just neat details is all
favorite has definitely gotta be that last one, as with

[flint prawn]

He has lines for killing Auri? Damn

[ruby totem]

Heretic log is permanent? Because I swear I have beaten the game and even read the log but it's missing from my stats

[woven delta]

turned off trajectory aim assist because my phase round on commando kept curving away from enemies when going for pierce shots but it still happens is there a different setting im missing to fix the problem?

[quasi crystal]

Yeah they're just hard to trigger unless you start phase 4 with a god loadout

[lavish jacinth]

nope, but there's a mod for it
(the mod page also explains why it happens if you're wondering, it's just an inherent issue with the third person crosshair) https://thunderstore.io/package/Goorakh/AttackDirectionFix/

trajectory aim assist can actually slightly fix it in some cases, but it's still a little wonky

[lavish jacinth]

it's supposed to be, the logbook is just janky

[woven delta]

rip i play on xonsole thanks for the help tho

[idle crescent]

Hey im trying to figure out if ror2 is crossplay on pc with ps5 but the stuff im reading is very mix and match

[lavish jacinth]

it's not

the only "crossplay" that exists is between steam and epic games, but that's still pc-only (and it barely even works)

[idle crescent]

this article is saying it is XD im so lost

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, they're lying lol

apparently when steam/epic crossplay got announced, a bunch of news sites decided to spew a bunch of crap about how ror2 is getting full crossplay

because their idea of "research" is asking chatgpt to write an article for them

[idle crescent]

lmao alr thanks

[lavish jacinth]

good job AI, very special

[blazing garnet]

Google AI on its way to just throw in whatever it can find

[quasi crystal]

Ai has told me all sorts of stupid shit I wish i could disable it on mobile

[lavish jacinth]

AI says you should eat at least one rock per day

[wintry fjord]

How does attack speed work on railgunners regular secondary

[lavish jacinth]

the bar moves slightly faster and the pink area gets bigger

[hoary sedge]

i think it also speeds up shooting it multiple times with backup mag but i could be misremembering that

[opal zealot]

how do I deal with elder lemurians as mercenary?

[lavish jacinth]

well for one, you shouldn't ever be relying on OSP to begin with

with merc, just be aggressive and abuse the hell out of his iframes and the stun on his dash, get behind them and hit them while they're stunned and turning around

(which is kinda how you ought to deal with most things as merc lol)

[opal zealot]

can you elaborate?

[nocturne apex]

OSP exists so you don't die in 1 hit that deals more than your max HP

But 2 instances of damage will bypass that and will kill you, which is gonna be 90% of the times

[lavish jacinth]

There are so many things that multihit that it often won't work even if you think it should

it's pretty much designed to be unreliable, it's a hail mary that can save you in extreme cases where enemies do excessive amounts of damage

[opal zealot]

forgot to mention that I'm not playing on command

[lavish jacinth]

that doesn't change it

[opal zealot]

then how can I overrely on something that's mostly random

[nocturne apex]

then don't rely on it?

Dodge stuffs instead of tanking them

[lavish jacinth]

just play like it isn't a thing lol

[opal zealot]

I'm confused

why would I play so that I get hit

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, based on what you said here it kinda sounded like you were

[opal zealot]

I'm not invincible the entire time

at some point I'm gonna get hit

[nocturne apex]

just edited the question lol

[opal zealot]

let's just ignore the stuff about the one shot stuff

[lavish jacinth]

well, like I said

elder lems are pretty vulnerable to stunlocking, and once you're up close you can bait out their melee attack and then use m2 to get behind them

and if you're using expose as much as possible (ideally you should be) you'll have your skills available pretty often

[opal zealot]

so I should be runnning focused assault?

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you don't have to

do you know about the sword tech? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/820804193493057586/imagine_taking_visions_on_merc.mp4?size=4096

[opal zealot]

I thought that was only focused assault

[lavish jacinth]

nope, this is different

if you dash right at the start of his 3rd swing, it'll carry the sword hitbox the entire length of the dash. Works with both dashes and his m2

[opal zealot]

I know what tech is I thought it only worked on focused assault

[lavish jacinth]

it takes some practice and it's not like a hard requirement that you use it, but it's really strong

nah

technically it works on all of his skills, but it doesn't really do much for his specials

[opal zealot]

what do I do if my skills are on cooldown?

[lavish jacinth]

but even if you don't use the tech, blinding assault is still pretty good, the extra dashes (and extra stuns/iframes by extension) make up for the lack of expose. Just up to preference

[lavish jacinth]

just back off for a sec until you have something ready

in general though, merc is arguably at his best when he fights like an absolute crackhead and dives into crowds of enemies, because more enemies means more expose, which means more damage and shorter cooldowns. If you play him right he basically gets stronger the more overwhelmed he is

actually I should've just linked this lol, written by john mercenary himself https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2632486396

the guide is old but most of it is still accurate, I think the only thing that might've changed is slamming and the wall clip thing due to physics changes

[violet finch]

Hello, I was wondering if the host has a DLC (ex: Survivors of the Void), and one of the non-hosting players have other DLC (ex: Seekers of the Storm), would these two DLCs show up in that game?

or is it necessary for the host to have both of them

[peak jacinth]

the DLCs will appear, the items enemies and stages will be added to the pools, but the DLC characters won’t be playable for the one doesn’t have the DLCs

[violet finch]

Cool, thx

[misty blaze]

Hey was just wondering if there are ways to add mods to ror2 on ps4

[peak jacinth]

there aren’t

[misty blaze]

Damn. Thanks anyway

[golden quail]

wHAT DOES DIO'S BEST FRIEND DO?

Oops sorry caps

[daring cloak]

If you die you get revived

[golden quail]

Oooohhh

Wait can someone explain what mithrix does? im about to go in the bossfigth and all my previous runs have ended to it

[daring cloak]

The game tells you that in the small description when you pick the item up

[daring cloak]

Does a bunch of dashing and hammer swinging with the occasional leap into the air and shockwave

[golden quail]

Okay

Anything else?

[daring cloak]

Yeah kinda but its hard to explain properly if you havent already seen it

[golden quail]

I have but i didint understand

[daring cloak]

Best advice from me is to just try to figure out what mithrix does and when he does it

And how to deal with the things he does

[golden quail]

Okay. im just done with playing for 50+ minutes just to get instakilled

[blazing garnet]

Phase 1: Dashes, swings hammer, jumps high and does a shockwave
Phase 2: Summons a bunch of little guys for you to kill
Phase 3: Phase 1 but faster, stronger, and now he does this pizza thing thats easier to avoid the further you are (blue lines on the ground, do NOT stand on them because they deal a billion damage)
Phase 4: Takes all of your items but cant use certain ones and he'll shoot blue darts at you and summon orbs
They're easy to dodge
This phase is easy as long as you get your items back (go hide behind one of the pillars and shoot him from a range if you have to)

[lime marsh]

I died to mithrix like 10 times before finally beating a run

every time after that it felt consistent enough

trying to keep a fair distance makes him a lot easier, he cant kill you if he cant hit you

[fair rock]

This is standard Risk of Rain gameplay

It's best to get used to it at this point

But yeah, Mithrixs entire fight is kind of funny because if you have enough vertical movement (be it by Milky Chrysalis or through Hopoo Feather + Headset), and, well, as long as you have mobility items, chances are you're going to stay far enough from Mithrix that he can't do...much of anything to you. Because he's a melee boss

If you haven't realized this by now, mobility items are pretty much obligatory to have in order to survive better in this game -- so if you see any Energy Drinks or Hoofs, don't skip on them unless you are in dire need of damage/healing items

[nocturne apex]

Dodge stuffs > outheal or facetank damage

[fair rock]

Runs in Rainstorm and Monsoon/Eclipse very easily scale too much for facetanking / outhealing to be a viable strategy 90% of the time

You have to basically break the game in order to make that viable, and even then you'll probably still want one Dio's Best Friend because you can and will be instakilled at some point lol

[lavish jacinth]

mithrix is basically just a matter of keeping your distance and then punishing him when he's vulnerable

you also have to get used to the idea that you're not gonna melt him like you can with other bosses. unless you're looping or have an early god run, it's usually a war of attrition

[ruby totem]

Also one can pretty much trivialize the fight

[burnt schooner]

I'm reading this.
What are iframes?

[lavish jacinth]

Invincibility frames

[burnt schooner]

Thanks

[fair rock]

If you're playing with Merc, utility dash is a great tool to escape Mithrix if he's harassing you with hitboxes

[safe phoenix]

if someone has mods installed and hosts a multiplayer game do i need to have the mods downloaded to play with him

[void zenith]

so I just started playing yesterday and was wondering what the best way to learn the game fast is. I've played games similar before so I already understand the concept pretty well. But how do I determine what good builds/items are? I've been looking at different tier lists, but still not exactly sure what to build on each character.

oh and also should I be speedrunning the portals because of the difficulty increase? Or is it better to loot the entire map first?

[high forum]

it's all random

[void zenith]

depends on the mods

[high forum]

don't worry about builds when you haven't even unlocked all the items

When you're still learning the game, full looting to learn the maps and the different variations of the maps can be good, as long as you have an understanding of the way the difficulty will increase as well (which it seems like you do)

[void zenith]

yeah I understand how it works but the difficulty increase thing was new to me

interesting though

[high forum]

I'd say generally less than 10 minutes per stage is where you should aim to get to when you start having multiple successful runs in a row

[void zenith]

sometimes I feel like its really easy, but other times it feels extremely hard from stage 1

[safe phoenix]

wdym

[high forum]

it depends on the mods

some of them require everyone to have them installed, some of them don't

[void zenith]

like if the mods are client side you wouldn't need them, but if it effects everyones game you would

anyone know if vr support will be coming to new versions?

[high forum]

it's not

[void zenith]

really thats kinda sad, guess ill have to go on the old version sometime

[high forum]

vr isn't something they've ever planned for or talked about so...

[void zenith]

sorry I meant like the modded version

idk if mods are allowed here

[lavish jacinth]

you'd probably have to ask in the modding discord

[high forum]

oh, that's just up to the mod makers

[lavish jacinth]

it hasn't been updated in a long time so I'm guessing the original creator isn't working on it anymore, but it's possible someone else will pick it up

[void zenith]

ty fax

[lavish jacinth]

ror2's items are kinda designed with the games' randomness in mind, so you don't really have to get specific "builds" like you do with some other roguelikes.
usually, characters will lean towards either proc items ( etc.) or burst items ( +any other reliable damage multipliers). But more often than not, it's best to get a mix of a lot of different things so that they can build off of each other

[void zenith]

thats good, the build thing gets annoying fast so I like it being more random

[lavish jacinth]

I'd definitely recommend checking the logbook to see more specific descriptions of what items do, and/or turning on the 'inspect item' thing in game settings if you haven't already. Item synergies are usually pretty straightforward, so oftentimes just knowing exactly what an item does is enough to help figure out how to build around it

it's not like TBOI or whatever where every item has a million slightly different interactions with every other item lol

[void zenith]

yeah ive been looking at every item on the wiki

didn't know about the setting but I was surprised that the items don't tell you what they do before you buy them

do you like ror2 better than tboi?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that setting actually didn't even exist until recently lol

[lavish jacinth]

I like both but I've gotten pretty burnt out on Tboi, I have around 1k hours in both games

[void zenith]

thats crazy, just makes it a little more difficult to figure out but once you learn everything guess it doesn't matter

[lavish jacinth]

it was a requested feature for a long time, honestly no idea why they didn't add it.
But until recently the game also had a really small dev team, so it was probably just a minor thing that they never got around to doing

[void zenith]

yeah

[sleek token]

I have a question.

If i want to use a wiki, which one should i use?

[peak jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Risk_of_Rain_2_Wiki

[sleek token]

Thank you

[peak jacinth]

pretty sure this is the official one over fandom now

[void zenith]

is there any point in having extra gold at the end of a stage?

[lavish jacinth]

not really, it gets converted to xp but the conversion rate is terrible

much better to spend it

[void zenith]

ok so those -% health totems are pretty pointless then

but after I buy everything theres nothing else to spend it on right?

I always have so much extra

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

they're useful early on for getting gold quickly, but that's about it

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's not uncommon
fun fact: the amount of gold dropped from enemies increases in real time, but chest prices only update at the start of the stage, so farming gets more efficient the longer you hang around

[void zenith]

ohh okay that makes sense

kinda weird that it scales mid stage

[lavish jacinth]

it's based on enemy level iirc, and since enemies get stronger in real time, so do their gold drops

usually what I do is loot everything except whatever's near the teleporter before starting it, then spend extra gold on the stuff I left nearby.

[lavish jacinth]

but this is also another reason why it's good to spend time looting and not rush straight to the teleporter

[opal zealot]

is there any way to increase the amount of turrets engineer can place? even with lysate cells I can only have 3 at the same time

[wide parrot]

That’s the max

Unless you mod the game

[wet pendant]

Ye

[lavish jacinth]

Erm acktually

you can have up to 6 if you just kill your turrets and turn them into ghosts, very simple and practical

[quasi crystal]

I always forget mask works on allies

[woeful hemlock]

After 1,300 hours I never knew that

[noble vapor]

can you continue your run if you enter void locus?

[lavish jacinth]

this would actually be an insanely powerful strat if you could get it working, considering the massive damage bonus that ghosts get, and the fact that having more turrets is really strong in general

[lavish jacinth]

nope, it's effectively a dead end

[noble vapor]

any console command to tp to other stage?

[lavish jacinth]

if you have debugtoolkit, next_stage (whatever stage you want)
but in vanilla, no

[woeful hemlock]

Ima credit you in my random facts video if youre good with that

[lavish jacinth]

sure lol

[lavish jacinth]

Wait I accidentally lied, I think you can get way more than 6 this way
pretty sure the turret cap doesn't apply to ghosts so you can just keep killing them to get more, and with bungus they can never die

I would go confirm but I closed the game already lol

[steady stone]

Theoretically just the ally cap then, no?

[woeful hemlock]

Thats what I thought too, Ill fully test everything

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[steady stone]

Because yeah, healing is quite good on ghosts
Also why ghost mushrooms won't die by themselves

[full apex]

this is correct yea

you can spawn a fuckton of ghost turrets. and since bugus is % heal and mask is effectively % degen you can get them to survive 4ever lmao

and ghosts cant be targeted at all so

no burst enemies killing them either,

[lavish jacinth]

I've actually done a run using that strat but with squid turrets, using diablo strike to kill them

[peak jacinth]

do engi turrets scale with ambient level?

[carmine berry]

If you're on the path of the colossus and take a blue portal, you can't go back to the path, right?

[steady stone]

As long as you don't beat FS you can return

Easiest way is through Lunar Seers iirc

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's kinda annoying since the only ways to get back are very rng heavy

lunar seers, halcyon shrines or gold shrines (if you're in the first 3 stages of a loop)

[lavish jacinth]

nah, they use player level

[carmine berry]

I thought once you spawn a green portal and take it, it won't spawn again (unless on golden coast)

[steady stone]

Not like naturally, but you can just keep looping until you get back

I don't know if they shrine can spawn on stage 6 though, but I would assume so?

I've never seen it, but probably bad luck

[lavish jacinth]

afaik they can, they're just rare after stage 1

[carmine berry]

I think there was one time I got out of the path and a loop later I charged a halcyon shrine in one of the first stages but I didn't get a green portal again

[steady stone]

Certain states will give gold portal instead, since there are no like stage 5 colossus stages

Like I believe helminth will spawn a gold portal

[lavish jacinth]

no I forgor, if you've used a halcyon shrine once already, they'll spawn a gold portal instead

but if it's stage 1-3 then gilded coast will have a green portal, I think

[steady stone]

So, what, only Lunar Seers?

[lavish jacinth]

they really made stage routing as complicated as possible lol

[carmine berry]

but that's why I said in one of the first stages

[daring cloak]

And you left the path without fighting fs?

[carmine berry]

yes

[daring cloak]

Strange

[lavish jacinth]

well no, you can go through the gold portal, and from there you should get a green if it's stage 1-3, I think

[carmine berry]

I mean it says it right here

[lavish jacinth]

lunar seers are definitely the easiest just because you don't have to figure out any of this nonsense lmao

[steady stone]

lol

[opal zealot]

any way to get rid of tonic affliction for turrets because I didn't realize that the turrets didn't inherit the buffs

[peak jacinth]

not really, my friends and I did this when unlocking FS to get halcyon seed before fighting him

[carmine berry]

I'm just not sure if you can go back through other means

[opal zealot]

for engineer

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[daring cloak]

Oh wait it says here that even entering the path locks you out of re entering it from any way but coast

Huh thought it was specifically doing prime meridian

[opal zealot]

for the turrets specifically

[carmine berry]

It doesn't say that, it only mentions halcyon shrines

[lavish jacinth]

still nope

[opal zealot]

so am I just fucked?

[lavish jacinth]

depends on how many afflictions you've got

[daring cloak]

"If a Green Portal has already been traveled through at least once in a run, all future halcyon shrines in that run will instead spawn a gold portal"

[opal zealot]

12

[lavish jacinth]

ok yeah your turrets are ruined lol

maybe just take at that point

[carmine berry]

Yeah, it's talking about green portals through charging halcyon shrines

what about lunar seers

[daring cloak]

Lunar seers... still work I think?

Actually yeah Im fairly sure they do

[opal zealot]

why doesn't the buff affect the turrets though

[daring cloak]

There just isnt a lunar seer straight into prime meridian

[lavish jacinth]

that's just how equipment works

[daring cloak]

Because its an on use buff and not a passive buff

[lavish jacinth]

the turrets don't have the tonic, only you do

turrets only benefit from equipment if it's passive, like elite aspects or fuel array

[opal zealot]

but it says the turrets inherit the items?

and I have gestures

[daring cloak]

Yeah but tonic isnt an item

[opal zealot]

the fuck?

[lavish jacinth]

passive items, yeah
equipment is different

[daring cloak]

Turrets cant activate equipments

Even with gestures

[lavish jacinth]

I think they don't even have a normal equipment slot, they only benefit from elite aspects because they're coded to work like a passive item

[daring cloak]

Well aspects and everyone's favourite life sized lego brick

[opal zealot]

so equipments aren't items unless they have a passive?

[daring cloak]

Still no

[steady stone]

Think of it more like they have it, but can't press Q

[daring cloak]

Its only elite aspects and the fuel array

[daring cloak]

Also no because of woodsprite

And the seed of life

[steady stone]

Ignore woodsprite
Nobody uses sprite anyway

[steady stone]

(this is a lie to validate my point )

But they won't like ever use equipment, even with gesture

[lavish jacinth]

and equipment that you're using won't affect them, unless it explicitly benefits allies (like )

bc unlike something like loaders' pylon, which is just a projectile, the turret is actually a completely separate entity from yourself

[daring cloak]

I mean unlike the pylon, turrets also show up in your ally list

[lavish jacinth]

lesson learned either way, spinel tonic is pretty awful on engie

it's like, one of the only items he has antisynergy with lol

[jolly perch]

any1 avail to help with modding

[lavish jacinth]

there are two basegame endings, one being mithrix and the other being obliterating yourself.
If you loop from stage 5 instead of going to the moon, the 3rd stage of every loop will spawn a celestial portal where you can go to obliterate and end the run

although if you don't do either ending, then yeah, you can keep looping forever until you die or the game crashes

just take the main teleporter, and don't interact with the prong things around the sides of it

nah, that's what this channel is for lol

you'll probably get a clearer answer here anyway

but yeah, if you realign the teleporter or leave through any other portal besides the tp, you'll loop. Otherwise, the teleporter will take you to mithrix

yeah, a lot of people miss that

tbf the game never really explains it, and you can't interact with them once you start charging, so it's easy to miss

np

[opal zealot]

if I have a spare drone parts and an equipment drone equipped with the back up, will the strike drones benefit from the spare drone parts?

[quasi crystal]

Yes

[steep mulch]

I dont think ive ever felt worse than I do now after a ror2 loss

this was completely my fault and I have nothing else to blame it on

[lavish jacinth]

it be like that sometimes

[quasi crystal]

The warbonds was so well timed

[blazing garnet]

Why did you stand in it

[steep mulch]

idk I wish I knew

[blazing garnet]

Also just saying, this wouldn't have happened if you used dagger over shiv trust

[silent timber]

I just entered an area called bulwark ambry and no enemies are spawning, is that normal?

Also I can’t interact with the big purple sphere in the center

Nvm I got it I’m slow

[vivid steeple]

for the false son what does it mean when it says growth? just leveing up or what? growth as in it says he gets more lasers or more spikes with growth

[signal pelican]

you get growth as you get more max health, exact numbers are weird

specifically, max health from items and other effects, your base and level up hp doesn't count

[vivid steeple]

okay sweet thanks

[signal pelican]

yeah np

[vivid steeple]

so something like infusion

[blazing garnet]

Yes but the best option is
You grab one (1) and that's it, that's all you need

Anything else is wasted because of growth having diminishing returns

[vivid steeple]

whats the downside of stone

oh just a speed down

[lavish jacinth]

It's normally a pretty awful downside but false son's passive can compensate for it

Since you get speed for every used lunar spike

[blazing garnet]

Yeah but False Son just ignores it because his lunar spikes give him increased speed for every spike launched (and pauldron boosts spike count!)

[vivid steeple]

W

[lavish jacinth]

Stone pauldron is still kinda debatable on him though, even with the growth buff it can be annoying to manage

Because pauldron doesn't just slow you down, it's a 0.5x speed multiplier

So all speed buffs are half as effective

[junior hornet]

Some of my drones have weird blue and green health bars. What's that about?

[quasi crystal]

1 pauldron is manageable
More than 1 is annoying

[quasi crystal]

That makes me wonder if the growth boost is affected it probably is but you know never know in ror

[lavish jacinth]

Can you send a screenshot?

[woeful hemlock]

Is it on false son?

[full berry]

Does Eclipse 8 debuffs stack with Monsoon debuffs?
ex. Ally Healing reduced by 50% (ally includes player in all cases) and Monsoon reduces it by 40%

[analog brook]

The monsoon one is only natural regen and doesn't effect items but yes they do stack I suppose

[full berry]

fuk.

[analog brook]

It forces you to be extra careful in the early stages and take an approach which you will find very helpful at any point in the game really

That being said, a slug, wungus or scythe will still do good

[quasi crystal]

is good early game in e5+

[analog brook]

Most eclipse modifiers are basically training you to play well more then anything

[lavish jacinth]

It does affect items actually

[daring cloak]

Im fairly sure it doesnt

[analog brook]

Monsoons is passive regen reduction no??

[daring cloak]

Dear god

It does affect items

Wtf

[analog brook]

So the game just lies???????

Actually that shouldn't be surprising.

[daring cloak]

I mean

It does say player regen not base regen

And the level up regen increase also affects items

[cursive compass]

it is only player regeneration, it has no effect on items

[cursive compass]

which items?

[daring cloak]

The items that give regen

[livid wedge]

I remember charlie mentioning it's a reverse rejuv rack

[daring cloak]

What other items do you think would be affected by the regen debuff of monsoon

[livid wedge]

Anything the rack affected so did the eclipse modifier

Including bison steaks. Picking one up would increase max health by 25 but you'd only get 12.5 to your current HP

[cursive compass]

You just said "it affects items", I assumed it was regen but you never specified

Also, are you sure it affects slug? Its description states that it gives a flat amount of regen, so it'd be very easy to check

It makes sense that it affects since its just upping your base regen anyway

[analog brook]

Faxmachine also said the same thing so icl I thought it effected all healing for a few minutes

[cursive compass]

Yeah, a bit confusing
It definitely does not affect healing items outside of regeneration, and even then I am pretty certain it doesn't affect slug

[daring cloak]

I tested it with slug

On monsoon with 2 slugs it resulted in about 5hp per second

On rainstorm with 2 slugs it was about 8-10hp per second

And on drizzle it went so fast I couldnt keep track of it

[daring cloak]

On arti

[cursive compass]

Ok, I figured it out

The game applies the monsoon regen multiplier after calculating slug/knurl/irradiant pearl regen boosts, so they are affected by monsoon

[livid wedge]

Once you've launched an enemy with fin, does it have to be your skills or any hits that proc the remaining fin stacks for launches?

Like, can an allies attack also proc the subsequent launches?

[lavish jacinth]

it has to be your own skills, and allies can't proc it unless they also have a breaching fin

[fresh umbra]

Is aspect of radiance worth picking up over missiles + icbm? I heard something about it lagging the game with gold nuggets but idk if i heard wrong

[lavish jacinth]

ngl, it's kinda stupid that it does this

like it makes sense since it's just a regen multiplier, but it's dumb that it arbitrarily nerfs slug and knurl lol

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, don't pick it up if you like playing at more than 1fps

[fresh umbra]

Aight thanks

[lavish jacinth]

even without that problem it's definitely not better than missiles/ICBM, it's just free gold and the incredibly weak spike attack

[ionic igloo]

I'm asking again, but are we 1000% sure that only a single gold chest can spawn in one of the spots in Sundered Grove? I feel like there's been too many times where it says I missed a gold chest for it to be normal luck

using the Stage Recap mod

[fair rock]

Normal Legendary chests can spawn normally in addition to the guaranteed one. This is true of any Stage 4

The guaranteed one is, well, guaranteed to spawn in one of the spots indicated by glowy mushrooms

[ionic igloo]

Yes this is true, but I've never noticed my being this lucky on the other stage 4s, only on Sundered Grove. Which only makes me suspicious because that's the one with 5 spots instead of the same spot every time like Abyssal Depths

[woeful hemlock]

There is no limit except for stage credits

[ionic igloo]

maybe I'm just biased because of that fact

[woeful hemlock]

I got 4 legendaries on sundered Grove in single player last week

Also has anyone else noticed that the pressure plates aren't spawning sometimes? I'm going to test this en masse soon.

[lavish jacinth]

they should always be there, they're built into the map. I'm not even sure it's possible for them to not spawn

although I have seen cases where the teleporter spawned on top of one of them making it inaccessible

[lavish jacinth]

Definitely
Regular legendary chests can spawn randomly, but there can only be a single guaranteed one bc they don't spawn like normal chests, they're a part of the map

[marble osprey]

Stage recap is just bugged for the legendary chest

I've had it show 0/1 when I opened it, and show 1/2 when I used a radar scanner to check the whole map. The mod just doesn't like that chest on that map for some reason

[ionic igloo]

ty ty

[dull kindle]

Can confirm

[cursive compass]

it used to say 0/5 a while back

[void zenith]

how exactly does the teddy bear work? on the wiki it says +15% block chance per stack but I have 8 of them and its not blocking

[cursive compass]

Its diminishing returns, I can't remember the exact calculations but its not possible to get to 100% block chance

It starts at 13% chance, with 8 its a 54% chance to block

[void zenith]

okay that makes more sense ty

[blazing garnet]

How many would it take for the true 100% block chance, in theory 🤔

[lavish jacinth]

somewhere between 1 and 2,147,483,647

[weak crow]

anyone had a glitch where shattered abodes has

nothing

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's a known thing

[cursive compass]

It never reaches 100%

Its not mathematically possible

[lavish jacinth]

mathematically it isn't, but it's technically possible in game due to integer limits

eventually the added chance is so small that the game can't calculate it and has to round up to 100%

[void fossil]

Does only one person need for it to work or does everyone need it

[lavish jacinth]

only one person needs to have it, but I think that person needs to be the one to interact with the obelisk for it to work
(not 100% sure on that, but might as well do it to be safe lol)

[fresh umbra]

Do we know the exact number of tougher times needed for this to happen

[lavish jacinth]

not sure

I'm sure somebody's calculated it but I don't know what it is lol

[void fossil]

Does work with ?

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[void fossil]

Alr cool

[full apex]

its a bit difficult to say for sure given what exactly were working with, but 143165576 stacks is the lowest i can get the compiler to accept, since one more stack overflows the int limit. presumably once it overflows it just wont be possible to generate a smaller number, so it auto succeeds?.. im not really sure

with 143165576*15, forcing a util checkroll with -10000000 luck does have both passes and fails, at a fairly similar rate tbh. but adding one more stack up to 143165577 just wont compile

in game, since tougher isnt affected by luck, trying to see if 143165576 can fail is pretty impractical. but 143165577 does seem to block everything too

143165576.5 or smth is int limit/15 which is where that came from

so i was messing around with this

next closest step to see if it truly breaks to being infinite there would be just hooking a debug into the util shit directly but im too lazy for that lmao

[livid wedge]

You could do that but can't you also just get enough safer spaces that the cooldown is faster than the games internal frame rate

Thus it never being able to break?

[full apex]

uhhh wouldnt it always be 1 frame? just down/up every other?

[livid wedge]

Nah, that also sounds difficult now that I think about it

[full apex]

i thought thats how it worked

[lavish jacinth]

I think it's hard capped at 1 frame

[livid wedge]

Getting 15 seconds to 0.0013 seconds through 0.9 is, uh, a lot

[lavish jacinth]

since it always has to go on cooldown after being hit, and then the cooldown debuff always has to exist for at least 1 tick before it can activate again

(At least I think, I haven't looked at the code lol)

[full apex]

god why tf is my code all broken ugh

[livid wedge]

Even if it were one frame, it would refresh every frame so the next frame it wouldn't be broken and damage not applied

[lavish jacinth]

that might work if it were just a timer, but since it's a buff/debuff I think it works differently

[full apex]

but yea it adds a timed buff so in theory it would need to tick at least once to realize it needs to expire i think?

[livid wedge]

Fair

[full apex]

yeagh

if you dont have ready but also dont have not ready, it gives ready

[livid wedge]

So it can be unbreakable?

[full apex]

so in theory youd consume the shield, get the timed buff, and then next tick it would decrement to 0 and remove, and youd get the shield back

im not exactly positive how all that stuff would interact as far as like sub frame shenanigans... like i assume that would be a 1 frame delay, not 0 or 2

what enemies can proc bands lmao

[livid wedge]

Contraptions

[full apex]

thats what i thought

[livid wedge]

I play in the vields enough to see them and bands every so often

[full apex]

hmmm this might be more difficult to test than i thought lol

im not entirely positive exactly how all this shit is interacting, but its not invincible at the least.

i wanted to try and have simultaneous damage sources, high AS saw ticks every frame, and if it connects shrimp will fire off (it wont proc if saw is blocked, so the setup with just that didnt work)

i added shuriken to be able to have two hits go off at exactly the same time, and it appears to break through and then its able to have hits go through, presumably because with saw+shrimp+bleed, there are occasionally multiple hits per tick.

only seeing 9s leads me to believe the shrimp are being blocked?

[lavish jacinth]

is this with it having 65 stacks? or more

[full apex]

yea once they are bled saw can just get hits in no problem. so its able to tick the same time bleed is

also

uh

this many

[lavish jacinth]

or is it the same as what's in your inventory lol

well then

[full apex]

i copy pasted some ridiculous value lol

[lavish jacinth]

is it any different if they only have 65?

if it's the same result then that would pretty much confirm that 65 is the absolute cap, I think

[full apex]

yeagh

65 blocks but 64 can be hurt without shenanigans

im lazy but i should try double saw.

[lavish jacinth]

interesting

[full apex]

yea

[lavish jacinth]

actually since you're there, what happens if you compare it to like 8 stacks of tougher times?

I've always assumed that theoretically, if you were getting hit on every frame, the 1-frame cooldown would mean that any block chance over 50% would actually perform better, but I've never tried it

[full apex]

so 1 frame delay, but things that hit every frame cant get through. but multiple in one frame can get through

[full apex]

what do you mean?

like compare perfect block at like 65 to 8 regular?

[lavish jacinth]

okay nvm, I might've been wrong about how it worked then

[lavish jacinth]

yeah
if you're getting hit once per frame, then the 1 frame cooldown would mean you're only blocking 50% of those hits, so 8+ tougher times would technically be better at that point since it has no cooldown at all

but maybe it doesn't work like how I thought it does lol

[full apex]

idk if this is what you want necessarily, with 65 one saw wont get through at all but this is with 64

they look extremely similar tbh, with the 64 presumably blocking every other. but once you double saw it gets melted faster since 8 tougher is still blocking every other

this is the true 65 vs 8 tougher with 2 saws

pretty funny

[lavish jacinth]

so I was right, 8 tougher does actually perform slightly better

This information will never be useful but I'm glad that I know it

[quasi crystal]

So I noticed growth nectar at high stacks causes ice physics, afaik this isn't the case with regular high movement speed, the I've physics persist even with stoneflux, is it changing the acceleration stat

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, growth nectar increases speed but not acceleration

[full apex]

if youre getting hit every frame then yea the CD becomes more relevant

which is funny, because thats kinda just how they compare always but every frame takes the max ramp safer and makes it more similar to normal. like the CD is often better because you arent being hit constantly, but for frequent small ticks then the consistent block % can be nicer

does anything change acceleration?.

[lavish jacinth]

and the acceleration stat is also used for decelerating, so low accel makes you slippery