ror2-game-questions

[full apex]

feeling a game or strategy or smth is impossible because you cant do it is understandable, but flawed... because as long as one person can do it, its clearly not impossible. and if many experienced players can do it, its more obvious

like if someone were to complain that ror2 is extremely luck dependent, and that item rng 100% dictated run success, that would be easily disproven just by how many players can stick 'god runs' every single time.

its really tangible in high skill cap games like fighting or honestly rhythm games, where when you are just starting you look at the top level and are like 'yea ok thats superhuman im never doing that', and then practice and it might take many many hours but you do and will always get there in the end.

[daring cloak]

Wisps cant shoot from that far away

And jellyfish wont catch up in time

[lavish jacinth]

and yeah, you do have to be careful about where you aim it, it's not gonna help you if you just launch yourself into the ground or a wall or something. That's the part that takes some practice and game knowledge

[daring cloak]

I am going to strangle kin

This shit does not want to give me golems

[slow cloak]

I’m not saying it’s impossible I’m saying I’ve done it and it works. It just doesn’t work vs crowds at all even slightly and even pretending it does is bs.

It’s like saying “Yeah bro railgunner with no items has a great M2 for dealing with crowds!”

[daring cloak]

You pretend like you cant get better at the game

[slow cloak]

No lmao.

[peak jacinth]

the luck dependent part is also disproven by the many itemless runs that have been done on every character!

[daring cloak]

You are not the peak of skill

[full apex]

i know, i gave the most extreme example. but if its true of the most difficult things, then it will be true at lower levels

[flint prawn]

why are you guys even giving this guy the time he doesn't deserve?

[peak jacinth]

kid named kin:

[full apex]

if even one person can do it consistently or semi consistently, then as much as 'skill issue' feels like shit advice, its just true

ofc you can give much better 'skissue' tips like things to focus on, strategies, etc.

but the core idea is the same

[peak jacinth]

cuz they genuinely want to help

[full apex]

i enjoy talking about the game. i love it a lot. for a while, ill bite, because i want others to enjoy it too

[slow cloak]

It’s not skill based it’s litterally how the skill is designed. You’re not putting a fucking square in a circular hole. Power punch is a single target nuker that can sometimes deal with a few enemies at once. Maybe like 2-3 under most circumstances.

Again it’s like pretending that railgunner M2 is good at CC

[flint prawn]

amazing answer 👍

[slow cloak]

your fucking insane for even claiming it.

[full apex]

funny fact
charged punch is much better as an aoe skill compared to thunder. thunder has better single target dps and charged is safer on crowds

[daring cloak]

Who even said that

[lavish jacinth]

it is literally a skill based thing.
It's possible to kite enemies and get them to line up more. And even if you don't it hardly matters, because Loader's charged punch is so strong and safe to use

[flint prawn]

I know and would like them to channel that desire to the people who genuinely need it

[peak jacinth]

well there’s no one here who needs it right now, but when there is they’ll be helped!

I mean that happened like 5 mins ago lol

[full apex]

what do you mean by cc

its likely to hitstun large enemies and just erase small ones, so i could see someone saying thats at least a teeny bit cc-esque. like its not diablo and its not a guaranteed snare, but it has great damage and less enemies = less dangers

[left trellis]

it... it is. it is good at crowd control... it's... her best tool for it..................

that's why it has pierce......................

[slow cloak]

I’m using it as a comparison here. Charged punch has a similar function to it. Screw that guy in particular™️

[full apex]

special is probably better for crowds because beeeeg and no pierce falloff

[daring cloak]

No it doesnt

You are claiming things you dont even fully know

[left trellis]

oh fair enough
but still, like... it works

[lavish jacinth]

also yeah, you have pylon for dealing with groups of fodder

[full apex]

charged punch has beeeeg aoe and deals full damage without aim requirements unlike railer scope

[daring cloak]

You cant make one omelette and rate meals like a master chef

[full apex]

pylon has incredible dps as long as it has targets. its weak on one but its full output potential is quite nice

[slow cloak]

Do you mean thunder dome? If so you’re crazy lmao. Charged punch never ever hits more than a few enemies unless you spend forever lining enemies up, presuming it’s not lizards or wisps or any other enemy which just can’t be lined up. I will admit if your fighting solely scarabs and nothing else you can infact slowly kite them in a line and then thunder punch. That will happen exactly never and if it does you can just do anything else and it’ll work too

[daring cloak]

How many hours do you have in this game?

[full apex]

im talking both her utilities, the punches that go 'vmmmm' and then 'pewww!'

[slow cloak]

Crowd control/AOE, I just abbreviate it to CC bc I’m lazy.

[full apex]

you dont need to optimize 100% every single punch, you get a lot of punches the CD is pretty generous

kite around, group things up, punch through the densest part, repeat

while down from punch you can use grapple to target baby flyers like wisps with some m1s or smth to help thin air irritations, and then punch comes up and you can punch through again

because it can hit full damage on everything it hits, its great at handling groups. because you dont need to kill everything in one hit

because its a big burst damage skill its harder to think of it in terms of dps compared to like bandit or captain who are dpsing constantly with m1. but thats the difference really, instead of dealing damage all the time, you kite, setup, and then burst to make up the difference

high downtime + high damge = similar dps to low downtime low damage

(ideally that is ofc not everyone is perfectly equal in balance)

[daring cloak]

I

I RESET SO MUCH I CRASHED IN THE MAIN MENU

WHAT THE HELL

the game is telling me to stop resetting for that recording of dodging golems

[full apex]

mfw no dbtk

[trim spindle]

You’ve truly beaten the game

[full apex]

the original classic wincon

[daring cloak]

Like it didnt even fade to black

I clicked on singleplayer, game froze, game crashed

And I didnt even leave stage 1 in any of those runs

[trim spindle]

Beating simulacrum is possible with the win con being your computer

[trim spindle]

Congrats

[spring spoke]

if i accidently go to the moon, is there a way to get out?

[trim spindle]

Beat mithrix

[full apex]

nope 😔

[full apex]

best you can do is spend 10 lunar coins to go to voidling after. cant keep looping

[spring spoke]

i just had stupidly good luck, getting all the reds b2b, but then fumbled by not looping the portal

i can barely damage one perfected drone, im so screwed

[full apex]

if you dont change the teleporter, you can loop by taking any alternate exit

if you didnt activate any alt portals like gold or blue, you always can take the artifact portal

in fact if you intend to loop hitting the artifact portal every time is probably optimal. if you swing by the command trial you get a few items, and you get to tailor them. it lets you pick up a few core items you might be missing

you can put in the code beforehand, activate the portal and then go back. do the tele, kill the boss, and go back down to the artifact portal. as long as its already open you dont need to charge the tele to leave. you dont need to finish the boss either if it feels too annoying lol

[spring spoke]

command ruins the entire "rougelike" part

[full apex]

the command trial doesnt turn it on permanently, its just for the trial

if you dont like that tho, you can still do something mundane like kin

or just not pick up the items

either way, its a guaranteed way to loop if you forget to realign

[daring cloak]

Anyways @slow cloak heres a small demonstration of how you could move around to avoid damage with bad luck and movement
I used honor and dissonance here to ensure that the enemies would be more hard hitting, tankier and overall harder to fight than what is usual. I also used walls as little as possible to make sure its not too dependent on the environment although using your environment is a necessary skill to learn

[daring cloak]

Actually from what ive heard you cant put in the codes anymore after tp so you'd have to set that up beforehand

[full apex]

wait really?... that is.. a bad idea

most people assume to try it after i think, at least thats how my friends have always done it. i guess it would be try and stop people from getting the tele items?.. weirdj

setting it up early is optimal anyways tho and even if you skip the tele greens you will mostlikely get a green and more in the trial.

[lavish jacinth]

Are you sure? I know you can't do it DURING the tp but I swear I've done it after it was charged

[full apex]

yea you absolutely could do it after, but it might have been changed. i havent tried since the recent patch

[daring cloak]

Oh also Ive been wondering for a while

[spring spoke]

DBF saved my ass so hard

[daring cloak]

Remember the egg out of bounds thing? For me it also worked with vase but I think I saw vase working as intended on pc footage

So if one of you could just like grab a vase go to abodes and use it on one of those giant pillars in the background

To check if it does tp you back mid vase

[lavish jacinth]

Do you have a screenshot of the specific spot? Or does the location not really matter

[daring cloak]

Doesnt matter, vase just doesnt let me tp back on stage until I exit it

I have found one very very specific use for it

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[daring cloak]

Neat so it is on pc

[full apex]

Vehicle is just too powerful lol

[daring cloak]

I find it odd why soujourn specifically doesnt work like that

It too is a vehicle but it immediately kicks you out once you touch an out of bounds zone

Quite a shame since it wouldve been the best at doing this

[exotic matrix]

Is Trial of Delusion a steam Achievement?

[lavish jacinth]

delusion and devotion don't have steam achievements

[stuck trellis]

Is void fiend worth getting?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[stuck trellis]

What are some of the better survivors to get to wave 50 in the trial thing

[lavish jacinth]

Engineer is what I'd recommend, although if you have False Son he would also work really well

[stuck trellis]

ty

[daring cloak]

I found a funny thing you could prolly exploit

Using transmitter in the bazaar to warp the newt outside of it lets you just whittle him down far after he sealed the bazaar

Which combined with brittle crown and longstanding solitude could make for a lot of free levels

[trim spindle]

Power mode mult sweep

[trim spindle]

It teleports NEWT????

[daring cloak]

Anything and everything

[flint prawn]

I love this

[severe shard]

wait

if you kill him after he seals it does it go away

[daring cloak]

Well

Before I was able to bug myself into the bazaar again

And his collsion and hurtbox disappeared

But now when I tp him out

He stays normal

And can be bullied forever

I need bleed man

I wanna fin up

Oh wait im in the wrong channel

[flint prawn]

never could imagine we'd be looking for fins lmao

[daring cloak]

True though

[lean lynx]

what does the scrapper show up as on the radar equipment

[daring cloak]

I think a bag

[lean lynx]

thanks

[fresh umbra]

ended up clearing e2 and e3 as mando, thanks again yall

[raven hatch]

did this latest update fix one shot protections?

[brazen sluice]

me: kills mithrix while juggling him with fin
mithrix: this is not the kind of ascension a god like me should be striving for

[wide parrot]

Does beating FS on monsoon count for Mastery?

[tepid dust]

beating FS opens a portal to stage 5 and then you have to beat mithrix

so, no, i think it does not

[lavish jacinth]

define "fix". Afaik it was never broken, it's just designed to be unreliable

[nocturne apex]

Beating FS then offer an item at Rebirth shrine on Monsoon still counts for Mastery

[golden fog]

Does anyone know why the game keeps reverting to 60HZ every time I try to switch to 48HZ? I press accept and yet it doesn't save.

[lavish jacinth]

seems to be a bug on this version, unfortunately there's not much you can do about it afaik.

[golden fog]

Unfortunate, been trying to fix clothing physics bugging out

[lavish jacinth]

You could ask #ror2-modding, there are a ton of bugfix mods but I don't know if any would fix that specifically

[golden fog]

I've asked before but no one responded.

[mint kelp]

Hey do you get anything for doing eclipse on console?

[lavish jacinth]

either there's no mod for it or nobody knew of one, ig

[golden fog]

No

[mint kelp]

Damn that dumb

[golden fog]

Eclipse is just there for the challenge

[lavish jacinth]

the devs didn't wanna gatekeep any content behind eclipse

the only "reward" is a gold border around survivors on the eclipse menu if they've beaten e8

[mint kelp]

Yea I guess i see why

[brazen sluice]

serious question: why does everyone hate on the yes chef ability (chef's alternate R)? empowering your M1 does a truck load of damage unlike glaze which almost never hits the shot and it makes you super mobile

[full apex]

dunno i like it lol

resetting the cooldowns is funny enough for me to prefer it by far

[golden fog]

Long cool down plus it removes one of your debuffs making Chef's passive weaker

[full apex]

especially because if you roll first you can get two empowered abilities

[brazen sluice]

i even got into a rhythm of R -> shift -> m1, as itll reset the cooldown of your roll without empowering it so then you can roll into the enemy and use your empowered M1

[golden fog]

Also the empowered sear is disappointing, at least in my opinion.

[full apex]

sear in general is kinda eh tho

[golden fog]

True, so excited for the Chef rework

[brazen sluice]

i dont think his passive gets that much stronger tbh and more rolls means more drops anyway

[full apex]

its funny that the micro duration burn basically deletes bleed or collapse or poison tho lol

[brazen sluice]

seer? you mean that ability that does 0 dmg in every situation?

[golden fog]

To be fair glaze and or ignition tanks do make it decent.

[full apex]

actually how does it work with tank? i never bothered trying but doesnt it apply stronger burn to begin with?

[golden fog]

Tank?

[full apex]

ignition tank

[golden fog]

Oh

I think glazed sears plus ignition tank does stack the bonus damage

[golden fog]

Btw I've partially fixed this problem by lowering my FPS to 30, though there's still some issues particularly with Executioner's Electrocutioner skin from Starstorm 2

[twin sable]

does icbm work with new warbonds?

[lavish jacinth]

no

[twin sable]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-bird-legs-gif-7418853116988366584

i wish it did

but ig the missiles from captain dont count

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't really need to be more op than it already is lol

[lavish jacinth]

are the only things it works with

[twin sable]

yea i knew abt those 5 i was more reasoning 'oh missile from UES ship doesnt count'

[normal ferry]

how do i get good at this game🙏😭

i struggle to beat it on drizzle

[full apex]

theres some good tips pinned here if you scroll a bit, these are my own for newer players

[lavish jacinth]

there are some general tips pinned here, but the biggest one I'd give is to get as much loot as possible and don't stress over the timer too much

That, and just get used to dying a lot at first. Just try to learn something from every defeat and do better next time

[normal ferry]

alright

do you recommend trying to go on rainstorm?

[full apex]

yea. as you play stages more youll get more comfortable and familiar which will speed up your looting, and as you use and fight enemies you get used to how those work and what you like/dislike

[full apex]

if you can, yea. drizzle gives a big regen buff and a damage reduction, so it makes you much tankier than normal which lets you get away with sloppy combat.

however, if you are first picking it up, having easier combat will let you more consistently clear stages and get lots of items, so you'll learn layouts and effects faster.

i would just say that you can do either, but if you do drizzle then try to move up once you have a good feel for what items do and dont get lost too much

[lavish jacinth]

drizzle is great for learning the basics but it does hold your hand a bit

[normal ferry]

alright thanks

and one last thing what do you think the must-have items and must-learn mechanics are for loader?

[full apex]

getting used to the grapple for speeeed is probably the most important thing

the 2 bands can be really strong too, but you have to unlock them on aqueduct. its not too bad as engineer to get

[normal ferry]

i got them earlier today

[full apex]

oh nice!
yea those are really good, since you can control when they go off for a while with the punch

[lavish jacinth]

as far as loader mechanics the main thing is just learning grapple movement

this vid explains all important the basics really nicely if you want https://youtu.be/zeRRJGfzuSw?si=fiqVvVtiUdWUlrmJ

[normal ferry]

thank you guys so much for the help :D

[lavish jacinth]

np

[full apex]

feel free to swing by if youve got any questions about other stuffs, theres a good handful of folk in here who love chatting about stuff and answering questions haha

[rose adder]

do you guys fight alloy worship unit on eclipse runs?

i find that its hp pool is so huge that I waste huge amounts of time fighting it

[lavish jacinth]

it's not worth it past e7 but before that it's fine

killing it takes an eternity with the cooldown of its shield halved

[faint shuttle]

do void enemy explosions not kill other mobs anymore? or maybe they never did and i’m just remembering wrong

[lavish jacinth]

(unless you have tricorn)

[lavish jacinth]

they're supposed to

[rose adder]

like It too kme so flipping long as merc and it gave me a bens raindcoat

[faint shuttle]

someone should tell that to void reavers then

i think they only killed my ally drones in the explosion bc some lemurians were just fine after gettinrh caught

[lavish jacinth]

weird, will have to test that later

[lavish jacinth]

well that's just bad luck, usually it doesn't take that long. Or at least it's a similar amount of time as farming for the legendary chest on the other stage 4s

Also merc should still be able to slam it to death, unless that's gone with the physics changes

[rose adder]

they patched it :(

[lavish jacinth]

either way, usually with AWU I just spawn it at the start of the stage and then wear it down over time, it's usually dead by the end

[daring bay]

is there some sort of mechanic with false son phase 2 laser

or is it intended he just chases me around a pillar

[lavish jacinth]

no it's just bullshit

all you can really do is stay near cover

[daring bay]

he even seems to ingore invisibility

[lavish jacinth]

That's not too uncommon actually, enemy AI does get updates on your position every second or so when you're invisible, and continuous attacks like that can sometimes track you if the attack started before you cloaked

[wintry fjord]

That's preposterous

[lavish jacinth]

normally you can counter it by having drones to draw aggro, since being invisible makes enemies a lot more likely to change targets. But it's pretty hard to get drones to survive prime meridian

[lavish jacinth]

(also I wouldn't be surprised if false son works on different rules and does just totally ignore invisibility)

[quasi crystal]

Drones beside Solus probes

[lavish jacinth]

probes and beetle guard

[daring bay]

ok theres like only four pillars in the arena as cover

and I had a beetle guard, he still perfectly lasers me even when I'm invisible

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah he's probably just cheating lol

[daring bay]

bro has wallhacks

and also just staying behind the pillars isn't an option, theres like five golems also aiming at me

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, you can see why the fight is getting reworked

[quasi crystal]

False son ignores invisibility yeah

Died trying to dodge meteors as bandit cloaked

[tiny maple]

i've just realized that prayer beads still work even u reach max lvl

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the xp they gain is separate from your own

[tiny maple]

longstanding kinda OP when works with BrittleCrown, he ignores Crown debuff

[quasi crystal]

Long-standing boosts beads too

[tiny maple]

which is better 1 prayer beads 40x or 2 beads 20x?

because wait until it reachs 40 kinda long

[glacial knoll]

40 * 0.2 is higher than 20 * 0.25

but you're not getting 40 of the buff

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't matter that much if you're already at max level anyway, it's just a flat stat buff equivalent to a few extra levels at best

beads is maybe the only item that's still kinda meh after the update

[tiny maple]

2 times 20x i meant 1 beads 20x and 1 beads 20x, its not having it at the same time

[glacial knoll]

that wouldn't make a difference yeah

[tiny maple]

reaching max level is not too common with me tho, except i have 2 lunar items

[glacial knoll]

1 beads x20 then 1 beads x20 is the same as 1 beads x 40

[tiny maple]

but it charges faster right?

[glacial knoll]

idk the math but yeah it clearly slows down a lot around like 20 buffs

you're never realistically reaching 40 buffs from 1 prayer beads

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, the buff generally isn't very big even if you're not at max level, so if you are at max level then it'd be almost nothing

[daring bay]

already fought false son three times, haven't gone past phase two even once

I mean, what am I supposed to do when he just walks towards me while firing the laser

[tiny maple]

so it shouldnt be top priority in a run, right?

[lavish jacinth]

not really

it's basically just an infusion with more steps and a small damage/regen buff

[tiny maple]

build burst dmg or high atk spd in my opinion, dont let him breathe

[daring bay]

like stone titan laser, he at least doesn't move while doing it, so its easy to get behind cover

[lavish jacinth]

you uhhhhhhhh go back in time and stand behind a pillar before he starts firing it, or pray you can get to one before you die

If you plan to fight him it's easiest to do it while looping, his damage is still total bs but he doesn't have adaptive armor so you can just delete him instantly. Problem is that getting to the alt path is a pain in the ass while looping

[daring bay]

false son not only runs towards you while lasering, but also have fucking wallhacks that hit me while invis

[lavish jacinth]

titan laser is also telegraphed way better and deals way less damage

[glacial knoll]

Going from level 20 to level 24 is pretty damn good
Going from level 94 to level 98 is largely irrelevant

[tiny maple]

thanks, now i dont have to consider that shall i scrap it or keep for a longer run

[glacial knoll]

like 15 buff prayer bead is at least a 99 health, and some health regen and some damage it's way better than Infusion

it power crept infusion not that infusion was that good

[daring bay]

I should just go down to monsoon

doing this on e8 I probably need a god run, or I loop

[glacial knoll]

yes it is recommended to loop for False Son

[tiny maple]

for a surely win in e i always loop at least once

[daring bay]

tbh I just dont have the patience to loop

[lavish jacinth]

idk why you'd torture yourself doing false son on e8

[daring bay]

Like a non loop run takes nearly an hour already

[daring bay]

pride or something idk, I just got the dlc today

[lavish jacinth]

well, the alternative is either pray for a god run preloop, or wait for the false son rework

[glacial knoll]

False Son is like unfair on monsoon I couldnt imagine with speed and cooldown up

[tiny maple]

ngl 5 first stage is for nearly an hour but after that each stage only takes me abt 5 minutes

[daring bay]

I'll probably just go down to monsoon to kick his ass

[daring bay]

and also the stupid lightning that hits you more than any mob on the stage

I couldn't even farm desperado comfortably

[tiny maple]

i feel FS still winable, the thing should be rework is Chef

[lavish jacinth]

chef is getting reworked too

just not right away

next big patch is false son boss, then survivors after that

[tiny maple]

i know, i just wish they update the survivors patch first then bosses

[lavish jacinth]

survivors will probably take longer

[tiny maple]

i still not play chef or false son eventhough i unlocked it

when i randomed to chef, he basically beats my run

[lavish jacinth]

besides, the wait for the next patches probably won't be as long. They already showed WIP stuff for the survivor rework a while ago, so it seems like they're working on multiple phases of the rework at the same time

[glacial knoll]

Enemy patch surely can't take that long there's only 4 enemies

Unless they really want to redesign false son which that'd be cool

[tiny maple]

agree, balance a char is harder than boss

[tiny maple]

whats problem with false son btw, i havent played him yet

[glacial knoll]

(Boss)

False Son (Survivor) will happen in Survivor patch obv

[tiny maple]

oh MB

[steady swallow]

afax why did you stop arguing with s q u i d it was so entertaining

[lavish jacinth]

the playable one is fine, just really op and kinda unpolished

[daring bay]

I mean they didn't nerf railgunner

does freeze work against false son

[lavish jacinth]

no

[glacial knoll]

Nope

Railgunner is really frail False Son just seems like a tank

[tiny maple]

but it does to mithrix right?

[glacial knoll]

yes

[daring bay]

yes, even the execute works

[lavish jacinth]

Railgunner is strong, False son is on another level

[glacial knoll]

False Son should be freeze-able hopefully they'll change it

or the fight will be good enough so that Arti doesn't need to be able to freeze him to use Flamethrower

[daring bay]

I was thinking I could freeze false son before he lasers, like you could freeze mithrix before pizza

[lavish jacinth]

atm there really just isn't much that can effectively counter the laser, besides maybe copious amounts of RAP and/or planula

[tiny maple]

the halcyonite has a weak point right? because when i using balista to shoot at his heart, seem like it deals more dmg

[lavish jacinth]

not that I'm aware of

[glacial knoll]

Weak Points do not exist in this game like that

[lavish jacinth]

other than railgunner

[glacial knoll]

There's Sniper points, for Railgunner, but that's like only for her

[lavish jacinth]

but that's a special case

[glacial knoll]

and only for the 2 m2

[tiny maple]

i know weak point is only for railgunner but u know what i mean tho

[daring bay]

theres damage falloff causing inconsistency in damage, could be because of that

[lavish jacinth]

ballista shouldn't have falloff

[trim spindle]

And super and cryocharge

[tiny maple]

falloff is futher u are less dmg u deal right?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, or the distance from the center of an explosion

[tiny maple]

if so, i dont think when balista has falloff , the distance of twice balista is not much different

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it doesn't

[slow lance]

How does the halcyon seed work for the false son? Spawned aurelionite and attacked the boss but also my friend and I am confused

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, Aurelionite is supposed to turn against you in that fight

because lore

It shouldn't have attacked the boss, but honestly I don't know exactly how the interaction works, lol. When I did it, it took me a couple loops to get back to FS after getting Halcyon Seed, so I just kinda melted him instantly

[slow lance]

It’s possibly that I thought it was attacking the boss but it wasn’t

[lavish jacinth]

could be, yeah

[cedar pine]

Does the quote at the end of the game depend on the character is it just random?

[celest kayak]

do allied lemurians share items? i gave 1 a malachite aspect and suddenly they all became malachite!

[crude meteor]

Its character based

[cedar pine]

Ty

[tiny maple]

does engineer have any special interact with allied lemurian?

[glacial knoll]

all of your lemurians share the items you gave them

why would engi have a interaction with devotion

[tiny maple]

im silly

[tiny maple]

should i give them all of my item at the first stage

[lavish jacinth]

depends on the items

they are pretty prone to dying early on, unless you give them something that helps them survive like medkit or shields

if you've got something you really want to give them, it's probably better to save it until you've got enough lems built up that they aren't likely to die right away

[tiny maple]

i've play once so i dont understand their grow up mechanics

[lavish jacinth]

they evolve every time you complete a teleporter event or major boss, going from normal -> elite -> elder -> elite elder, and they gain an extra stack of the item you gave them

[tiny maple]

major boss is boss spawned within tp event right/

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, or something like alloy worship unit

[tiny maple]

so what about boss which spawned in stage like minion

ex a stone titan in stage 4

does is count a major boss

[lavish jacinth]

bosses that spawn as regular enemies don't count

basically it has to get a red healthbar at the top of the screen to count, same rules as

[zenith lion]

Did they change how you clear the ability lockout on false son?

[tiny maple]

Ty

[lavish jacinth]

you should still get them back if you hit the gold pillar things and stand in the gold circle that appears on the ground

[zenith lion]

Damn, bugged run

[lavish jacinth]

do you have a clip?

[zenith lion]

nah, closed game already

hour and a half down the drain mfw

[lavish jacinth]

false son never fails to be complete bullshit

[dawn lichen]

can halcyon shrines spawn in stages after the first if they haven't already appeared there? I swear I looped twice yesterday and couldn't find a single one.

[glacial knoll]

Halcyon Shrines can spawn on all stage 1s and 2s

A bit rarer than intended but stage 6 has the same rate as stage 1 for them

[dawn lichen]

okay. so I'm not supposed to fight false son during the first loop, right?

[glacial knoll]

there's no intended way

Restarting stage 1s until get one is just faster than looping and getting unlucky

but you can also use Seers in the bazaar after stage 1 and 2 for an extra chance

[dawn lichen]

alright, I'll try that then. thank you

[hidden leaf]

if you manage to fight aurelionite before stage 5 a green portal will also spawn after defeating them

[dawn lichen]

yeah I just did stage1 (shrine) > altar > treeborn (shrine) > aurelionite > prime meridian, but false son beat my ass

but if that's a good strat, I'll just keep trying

[hidden leaf]

Shrines can also spawn on stage 5 (ive seen them in the hatchery, but not on sky meadows) but they will take you to Aurelionite rather than the Fasle Son

what survivor are you playing against false son?

[dawn lichen]

just now I lost on merc. gonna try void fiend next

[hidden leaf]

oh viend is good against False Son, they was the second character i beat them as

ALSO dont sleep on war bonds, depending on how fast you can build up gold with stuff like tomes and pennies the item triggers every time false son enters a new phase

[dawn lichen]

i'll keep an eye out for it then. thanks for the help

[hidden leaf]

Nw! something i'd also recomment is when you go to remove ruin with the shrines, start with the shrines that are furthest from the center, gives you more time to react and keeps any shrines that spawned in the centre area ready for the first time false son locks ur abilities in phase 3

[sacred ingot]

any mod players having problems with game effects? just did a run on commando and both the animations from his special and some items are going on forever, only stopping when i use another skill

figure it might be a mod problem, but can't tell which one

yeah just tested and for sure its a mod. if anyone else bumps into this, help me figure it out pls

[spring spoke]

Is there a way to re-verify my account?

[main karma]

can someone give me a good command build for acrid?

does leeching seed heal acrid for the dmg ticks?

[mental sorrel]

No

[mental sorrel]

Mobility, that's all u really need

Gasoline is also neat, and any other AOE

[wide parrot]

Get Noxious Thorn as well

[sleek token]

I have a question.

If i'm playing capitan and using the Hacking Beacons

And i have a sale star. Will it proc?

[misty hound]

I'm playing the game for the first time, I'm on stage 5, and I've been here so long and I can't find the teleporter. The difficulty is already HAHAHAHA. What am I doing wrong?

[wide parrot]

Yes

[sleek token]

Thank god

[wide parrot]

The teleporter has red particle effects around it usually, but on Stage 5 they are blue instead. Look for those.

[steady stone]

Also, the "HAHAHA" doesn't mean all too much. The important part is if your current items outscale the enemies well.
Try to get more items than minutes elapsed, but micro managing for 10 minutes can improve your build way better than what that scaling would've done by leaving early.

[misty hound]

I didn't notice the HAHAHA making it much harder, but I can't for the life of me find the teleporter.

Ok I found it finnaly

I died to the boss though

[ruby escarp]

why cant i choose my already unlocked items with artifact of command, for example i cant chose soldier syringe, dual magazine, etc... but i get them in loot

did they update the artifact?

[mental sorrel]

Hm

Do you have any mods installed?

[bitter ore]

what is the interaction between warped echo and void bear?

[leaden field]

if the hit is blocked, warped echo doesn't activate

[ruby escarp]

i dont have any mods installed

[bitter ore]

thanks

[lavish jacinth]

That shouldn't be happening, syringe isn't ever a locked item to begin with so that doesn't even make sense.

Can you post a screenshot of your command menu? You'll need a role to post it, #roles

[ruby escarp]

booting up ror2 rn

[ruby escarp]

here

i got these all unlocked

[lavish jacinth]

Ohh, the locked ones are SotS items

[ruby escarp]

oh my fucking god

they just changed the spots

damn sorry for wasting ur time

idk how i couldnt see the syringe wow

[lavish jacinth]

Lol np

[mighty creek]

Which primary for huntress is better

[lavish jacinth]

Strafe is stronger initially but flurry gets better the more crit chance you have

I'd say stick with strafe unless you wanna gamble on getting lots of crit or are using command

[burnt pumice]

Honestly I would just pick flurry. I would say it out dps strafe after like, 20% crit

[lavish jacinth]

Iirc its better dps at 20% and better proc rate at 60%

Also depends on whether you have dlcs

Getting crit chance is easier if you don't have them enabled because there are fewer items in the pool

But with both dlcs, even getting 20% crit can be hard sometimes because they didn't add any new crit chance items

[cedar pine]

is there a way to dodge grand parents bullshit one shot?

[livid wedge]

They don't have a oneshot unless you're talking about the sun. In that case, you just find cover until the attack is done or kill it quickly

[cedar pine]

it got me through a whole cave

[lavish jacinth]

It sets you on fire, the dot can still keep damaging you after you get behind cover. But if you break line of sight it'll stop stacking more burn

And they always start doing it when they hit 50%hp so you can be ready for it

[hoary radish]

are there any mods/other methods to improve the game performance, particularly on sky meadows? my frames are usually fine in the other stages, but on sky meadow in particular i can drop below 10, especially when playing multiplayer
(this is unlooped btw)

my laptop isnt a potato either, so I'm not sure why it's lagging so much

[dry roost]

how do i get my mouse to disapear if it appears over my crosshair

[full apex]

you could try tabbing out and back in, or toggling fullscreen to re-trap the mouse

sometimes games just get weird about it tho and you have to restart

[lavish jacinth]

Do you have any mods running?

[hoary radish]

i do, although i'm not sure if they are the cause, my friend who is joining my game with a vanilla client is also experiencing the same, if not worse, lag
i can attach a modlist if you'd like, it's not very long

[lavish jacinth]

minimap mod, by any chance? Because I know that one in particular causes a ton of lag on sky meadows

[hoary radish]

yeah I do have that mod
any non-laggy alternatives?

otherwise ill just yeet it
the lag is unplayable in multiplayer

or is there any way for me to patch the code/change the configs to reduce the lag?

[lavish jacinth]

I've heard that if you just turn the minimap off and on again in settings, that should fix it

as far as alternatives or other fixes, #ror2-modding is the best place to ask

[hoary radish]

wdym by this

like just the mod or?

[lavish jacinth]

install risk of options if you don't have it already, it adds a tab to the ingame settings menu for mod-related stuff

from there you should be able to toggle the minimap

[hoary radish]

yeah minimap mod isnt there 🤔

[lavish jacinth]

oh, weird

I haven't tested it myself but I've heard other people say it works

oh, the minimap mod hasn't been updated, that could be why

probably best to just disable it for now and see if that fixes it

[hoary radish]

k 👍

[lime burrow]

Any tips for unlocking REX’s secondary?

[lavish jacinth]

basically just keep spamming m2 to keep your health under 50%.
If you're struggling with it you can stack a bunch of , having at least 7 of them will mean that more than half your hp is shield. Then as long as you take damage often enough that your shields don't regen (not hard to do with rex, lol), you'll technically be under 50% the whole time while still having "normal" health

[lime burrow]

Thanks, my main trouble has been that my health gets too low and I get killed quite quickly.

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's something you gotta get used to with rex

[tame gazelle]

uhhh can someone tell me how i revived? dont have any gameplay mods installed pretty sure

[lavish jacinth]

hwat
Can you post your modlist just to be sure?

[tame gazelle]

uh is there a way to do that? that isnt a screenshot of r2modman

[weak crow]

you hit the shrine of shaping

[lavish jacinth]

oh right, that's a thing

[weak crow]

you see how before your hp is lower

[tame gazelle]

oh those revive?

[weak crow]

and the +1 above your health bar

[lavish jacinth]

how did I not see the +1 on the healthbar

[weak crow]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, those things give you an extra life for the current stage

[tame gazelle]

i thought they just give me shaped glass lite

OH

[weak crow]

i can see why youd think haha

[visual turtle]

Am I actually losing my mind or are Scorchworms bs. I have almost died to them a ton, and I swear that the little damage bubble they make visually disappears before the actual hitbox does, and I've also had them shoot at me through the floor and have nearly died a lot because of it. Anyone else experience this or am I insane?

[lavish jacinth]

you're not insane, the hitbox does linger after the visual effect

[visual turtle]

Okay thank god, what about them shooting me from below the floor? I assume they're somehow clipping through like I've seen a bunch of other enemies do (mostly lumerians)

[lavish jacinth]

I'm not as sure about that one, it could easily be the same bug of a hitbox not matching the visual. But who knows with this update

[full apex]

this was one of the things i reported in my bug doc so they should be well aware

[full apex]

this im also not sure about

[ionic igloo]

wiki says Thorn spreads blight, but does it spread poison too or is it really only blight?

[quasi crystal]

It spreads poison

[ionic igloo]

nice ty

[lavish jacinth]

wiki editors forgor ig

[quasi crystal]

I might be misremembering but I swear it does since it poisoned with bite though I wouldn't be surprised if it only spread stackable

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, supposedly it spreads unstackable buffs like weaken

Either the wiki is wrong or thorn is just really arbitrary about which debuffs it can spread

[noble pagoda]

When i open the game the loading screen gets stuck on 7% anyone knows how i can fix this

[lavish jacinth]

verify game files and disable any mods that aren't up to date

[noble pagoda]

still stuck on 7% I verify the game files also i have no mods installed

[hoary radish]

looks like that was the issue
many thanks

[devout wedge]

Is warbonds goated now?

Anybody used it since the update?

[dusky raven]

It in fact is

[lavish jacinth]

that would be an understatement, yes

[noble pagoda]

is there any mods i can use to the loading screen work

[lavish jacinth]

doesn't seem like it

only other thing I can think of is doing a full reinstall

[noble pagoda]

maybe my pc cant run the game and thats why its stuck on the loading screen

[lavish jacinth]

there are other people who have had a similar issue, but the stuff I suggested normally fixes it

Try running the game with task manager open, see how much memory and cpu the game is using. If you see a lot of resource usage then it's probably still trying to load, but if not then something else is wrong

[hoary radish]

im getting a strange crash on sky meadows
only sky meadows, and specifically sky meadows. If I reload the game (using propersave) the game still crashes, although the timing is random, and there doesn't seem to be a specific action triggering it.
the game simply freezes and dies

Stack Trace: https://pastebin.com/hFFGEnrZ

[noble pagoda]

its using around 10% cpu and 640MB memory

[hoary radish]

i was having the same crash issue yesterday, but it seemed to go away after updating my graphics drivers, but they are up to date now

idk if there's enough in the stack trace to statically analyze and see the issue, otherwise i can test more and/or start selectively disabling mods to try and find the culprit

[lavish jacinth]

can you get a crash log? it should be at C:\Users<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Player.log

or if you're still running mods you might be able to see errors in the mod console thing

[hoary radish]

mod console just closes itself whenever i crash
the stack trace in the crash log is linked above, i can also paste in the full thing if that's necessary

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I'm admittedly not good at reading this stuff, lol. Sometimes you'll get lucky and there's something really obvious that jumps out but I don't see anything.

Easiest place to start might actually be to show your modlist to #ror2-modding and see if anyone knows of any problems with the mods you've got, otherwise I'd say start by trying a full vanilla run to make sure it's a mod issue, then start re-enabling stuff

I know for a fact that debugtoolkit works just fine right now, so you can at least use that to get to sky meadows faster and check for a crash

[hoary radish]

i have a vague guess as to what could be the problem 🤔
ill test some selective mod deletion for now

[lavish jacinth]

Alright, that's around what mine uses when loading, so the game is still doing something.
How long do you let it sit on that screen? it may just be taking a while to load for one reason or another

[noble pagoda]

not sure how long but i think around 7 minutes

[lavish jacinth]

well, dang

[noble pagoda]

i will check again

[lavish jacinth]

looking around for some fixes online. It's kind of a shot in the dark, but try completely turning off discord and then loading the game. Apparently a few people have had success with that, it may be tied to an issue with discord overlay

[noble pagoda]

dont have discord on pc

[lavish jacinth]

welp

I wish I could help but it seems like you may just have to wait for a fix from gearbox

if you want you can send a report to gearbox with a crash log, or put it in #1172187541349347429 .
Crash log is at C:\Users<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Player.log

https://support.gearboxsoftware.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[spring spoke]

with 2 luck, what are the chances of finding a perfected aspect?

[lavish jacinth]

around 0.07%

[spring spoke]

ah, im gonna be here awhile then

i must collect all 5

[lavish jacinth]

have fun with that lol

[spring spoke]

i just remembered, i dont have the patients for that

[noble pagoda]

got the game working on my laptop

[wintry fjord]

Why does equipment drones not use the gun

I gave a drone one accidentally and it never used it

[livid wedge]

Crowdfunder? They never have gold

[wintry fjord]

No tricorn

[livid wedge]

It can. Dunno why yours didn't

[wintry fjord]

Maybe it's a bug i expirencrd

[lavish jacinth]

it's possible, but equipment drones are also just dumb sometimes

it's possible that it just never managed to look at a boss and use its equipment at the same time lol
although that would be pretty unusual

[plain nymph]

As a railgunner, what exactly am I supposed to do when about 70 enemies pop up on my screen

[wintry fjord]

Line them up

[lavish jacinth]

mine jump away and snipe them once you're in a better position

[plain nymph]

I was only eclipse 2, stage 3. I mine jumped across the stage multiple times but couldnt do anything between more spawns and the giant fire snake murking me

[lavish jacinth]

ideally you'd try to get aoe items like gasoline or ukulele, or drones to draw aggro as well

if you have cryocharge equipped you can use that to help with crowds too

and sometimes you do just have to keep kiting enemies and taking potshots where you can get them

[plain nymph]

I think I have skill issue 😭
I swtg I did all those things and still got murked by the bison, rats, and fire snake

[lavish jacinth]

It's not easy, you get better at it with practice though

[uneven dirge]

Can i remote play ROR2 if my friend doesnt own the game?

[lavish jacinth]

Technically yes, but ror2 doesn't have local co-op on PC so there wouldn't be much point

[uneven dirge]

oh so they couldnt really do anything ok

and sadly no cross platform between pc and ps T_T

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[uneven dirge]

are all the items base game?

*new items

[lavish jacinth]

nope, all the new stuff is dlc

[exotic matrix]

Roadmap 3 is new survivor or survivor reworks?

[lavish jacinth]

reworks

[quasi crystal]

Hopefully the rework includes more skills

[strong cypress]

ive never used supercharge before until now when im noticing im just one shotting bosses

how does the damage calculations work, does it mean that if i hit the weakpoint with supercharge the 4000% damage is multiplied by 1.5 and then the crit damage is applied? would this mean the total damage be 12000% not counting the extra damage applied from active reload?

[lavish jacinth]

that's correct, yeah

[strong cypress]

thats insane

[lavish jacinth]

with a perfect reload, the final amount is 13500%
technically 13567.5%, because they forgot to remove the 1% base crit chance that all survivors have, which her passive converts to a 0.5% crit damage bonus lol

and 3.0 proc coeff because why not

[strong cypress]

goddamn

i mean i guess the disable penalty makes it more balanced and cryo is generally more consistent but this makes it more fun

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[strong cypress]

ive been trying to make alt m2 work is it just a very different playstyle than normal railgunner

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you almost treat her more like a proc character rather than purely going for burst

bands and crowbars aren't as effective but you get a lot more mileage out of attack speed

[strong cypress]

its almost like mando in a way

[lavish jacinth]

like a lot more

[strong cypress]

insane but in an actual run it would prolly be a bit different lol

[lavish jacinth]

I mean yeah

but compared to how bad the attack speed scaling is on the default scope, it's still gonna be solid

[strong cypress]

definitely

[lavish jacinth]

plus you actually have a good excuse to stack syringes so you can fly around with her primary, lol

[strong cypress]

yeah when theres a syringe printer i actually get excited when using alt m2

[daring bay]

I just keep dying when I want to scope in and repeatedly shoot something with railgunner alt m2

but if I'm taking like two or three shots before unscoping to dodge, I might as well use default m2

[torpid summit]

Hey, is there any pins or guides for each survivor

I'm kinda new and confused... like hella confused on what to do

[tiny maple]

whats that

oh 100 syn

[stable beacon]

guys did they
did they remove captain rapidfire
i can't seem to do it anymore

[neon abyss]

for some reason there's a sudden lack of haclyon shrines in my game.

the game is unmodded, outside of my multiplayer partner cheating in literally everything from the logbook on a new profile.

[storm sand]

what folder is the save in?

on steam

[simple coyote]

what constitutes proc chains, like. these items obviously build together and are very important but i can’t quantify what it is

like yea ya know bands are good with crowbar, rack is good with wungus, but proc chain items???

??? is good with ??????

what’s their item set how do I account for them in my build

anything with a proc coefficient?

[lusty tartan]

[flint prawn]

proc chain items are proc chain items simply because they have a chance to proc each other e.g Sticky Bomb proccing ATG if you have them both, just get all of them

[simple coyote]

sticky doesn’t have a proc coefficient

[flint prawn]

https://www.riskofresources.com/proc is a good website to check proc coefficients

[flint prawn]

just double checked, it doesn't yeah lol. ATG can proc Sticky though

[simple coyote]

I know the majority of them off the top of my head I just don’t know what I’m supposed to do with that information

[flint prawn]

I mean since the items are meta themselves you're supposed to get them anyway so this information doesn't matter too much unless you plan on looping

the extent it matters to is that "the more unique proc chain items you have the better" so it doesn't change much either

[simple coyote]

just grab like one of each or something?

[flint prawn]

at least, almost all of them stack beautifully as well

[primal terrace]

Proc chains are so good because any two proc items can be considered a chain, and if you get another one they all get much stronger
In short, all proc items are good with other proc items, and the more you have the more they compound with each other

[main karma]

for acrid, is base leap or frenzied leap better?

[simple coyote]

base. unless you’re consistently using the mobility skill to fly into enemies instead

[primal terrace]

Typically, Acrid leaps around the enemies, not at
So having two leaps is better than one that reduces cooldown on hit

[simple coyote]

frenzied leap also has 2 charges.

[primal terrace]

Does it??

No way

[simple coyote]

yeah. it just has a 10 second cooldown, when the base has 6s

[quasi crystal]

if i like huntress then who else would i like

[sacred ingot]

if u mean bc of her mobility, maybe merc or loader (?)

there's no one else that plays actually like her tbh

commando also has that shoot-n-dash feel a little bit but hes weaker overall

[cursive compass]

Merc is pretty close, very mobile

Honestly though, the characters all play pretty differently, its hard to say

[quasi crystal]

yeah i like her mobility / run and gun feel

it kinda feels like dead cells in a way

[cursive compass]

Honestly they're both good, the alt can proc bands which I find handy if playing faster since you can snowball with it more, the default leap I'd say is more often reliable, and usually the better option
I like both tho

[wraith flint]

I havent played since before both DLC so I have a bunch of random questions if anyone is able to help me:

1. In the Void events, the one with the bubble on a normal stage, what do you do other than destroy those little spikey things in the ground?

2. What's the virtue of the Green portal? What's special about that zone?

3. Other than getting Aurelionite is there any other virtue to the Gold portal? And what do the spire things do you can buy in the Aurelionite zone?

4. There any point to doing bosses other than Mithrix? I don't need character unlocks as I just got them with mods to open up play for myself.

5. How do i do the event on Prime Meridian? What is it exactly?

[cursive compass]

I'd definitely recommend trying merc, he's the only one that comes to mind that plays similarly

Honestly, try all the characters, they're all great

[cursive compass]

The Void events (Void seeds) give you void loot (void items from void cradles, items from void potentials, and money from void stalks) once you kill all of the void enemies on the stage

The green portal lets you go to an alternate route with different enemies, generally bigger maps (and more items) and prime meridian at the end

[wraith flint]

Gotcha, yesterday I did a run where i cleared everything within the bubble but the bubble didnt go away, is thaty because there was a void enemy elsehwere on the map?

[wraith flint]

Ah ok, i must not have kept following the green portals as ive been to the zone but never encountered the boss, i must have dipped out every time

[cursive compass]

Yeah, once there are less than 4 enemies left the game will show arrows in the direction they are

[wraith flint]

Thanks!

[mint musk]

How do i unlock the item that fires projectiles when I heal myself?

it's those horn looking things

Nkuhanas Opinion

[visual turtle]

It's a secret on Wetlands Aspect, I can tell you exactly where it is if you like

Have spawns increased since the update? I feel like there's at least 50% more enemies.

Also I'm having the previous issue where bosses are spawning at like 12 minutes is happening again

[tight current]

Heard there's a bug when stacking Longstanding Solitude that essentially makes your money items worthless. Has that been fixed?

[dusky raven]

did mending Elites always have a special spawn noise?

I swear they sound slightly different than before but I could be crazy

[visual turtle]

I'm 99% sure they didn't

What's the noise you're hearing that you think is the spawn noise?

[dusky raven]

imma find a clip of it hang on

[visual turtle]

I would assume not, the only change they made was this in the patch notes: "Longstanding Solitude has had its experience gain increased slightly and happens whenever gold would have been gained. The "free unlocks" buff is now retained between stages. Previously, when one person in a lobby picked this item up, all interactable prices for other players would be increased by 100%. That has now been dialed back to 50%." This has nothing to do with how it affects other items

[daring bay]

does helminth hatchery not spawn large chests

[tight current]

Guess we'll have to wait. It could also be intentional given how strong the item is, but I don't think so

[dusky raven]

the wisp spawned but the sound sounded a bit more sparkly?

[visual turtle]

It does, it's just the weight is very low so they're rarer

[full apex]

Hard to tell with music

[daring bay]

twice I have entered with a sale star, and just didn't find a single one

[visual turtle]

I hear the noise you're talking about but I've never noticed it, I'll be listening for it now as well lol.

[dusky raven]

other elite wisps don't do it so its only on mending for now

my crackpot theory is it was meant for gilded and they got the wrong elite id but I have no way to prove it

[visual turtle]

Unfortunate. My only advice is to try and pick up key for rusted lockbox

[visual turtle]

Is it only specifically wisps or all healing elites?

[dusky raven]

havent found another mending but ill get back to you

seems to be all mending elites

[visual turtle]

I recognize the sound now, it's the same noise from the healing orb the elites drop

Somehow they're now playing it when they spawn?

[dusky raven]

huh

strange

[quasi crystal]

thats actually cool, can we get a twisted sound now

[full apex]

also yea weird, why dont they have a spawn sound?.. closest is the crystal spawning.

[digital thicket]

is there a cap to the amount of items you can get with sale stars

[full apex]

5 at a time

heres some %s for 2/3/4/5 items

[deft hinge]

is there a chance for halcyon shrines to not give items once they are fully charged and the boss is defeated?

nevermind, the item selector spawned way up because of vertical positioning of some map elements, man this is not intuitive and should be fixed

[jovial dawn]

Guys is there any way to ||pet the frog without|| defeating ||mythrix||?

[lavish jacinth]

no

[jovial dawn]

Is there some frog statue?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[livid wedge]

[rancid jewel]

is this an on going bug? he didnt take my items at all

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's possible to stagger him out of the item-stealing animation if you hit him on the vulnerable frame at the start of the phase. It's basically a mini version of the kjaro's p4 skip

[rancid jewel]

That explains it

[lavish jacinth]

it's not a new bug tho, it's been around for a while

[rancid jewel]

Oh

[cyan trellis]

i was having a look through stats and was wondering if anyone knew what the 3 question marks was

i was thinking and couldnt think of anything that wiuld have only done 300 dammage to me

[lavish jacinth]

profile stats are just super janky, it could be practically anything

there's no real way to know for sure

[cyan trellis]

i was just confused as it has only ever done damage to me and wasnt sure if it was meant to exist at all

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's probably not like a normal enemy or something

just some entity that's capable of dealing damage and is enough of a "thing" to be tracked in the logbook, but has no other properties that can be tracked

[full apex]

Idk since the stats are just janky as hell, but it might be something like a post mortem enemy not having a link anymore?

Like how sometimes you get killed by something but the death screen says planet instead

Damage with no parent might just get logged as misc? Dunno

[cyan trellis]

it is weird
might have a look into it in game

[lavish jacinth]

you can try, it'd be pretty hard to narrow it down though

[full apex]

Yea, im not sure how things are added to the stats

Never bothered checking the code

[lavish jacinth]

also sometimes the logbook just kinda... makes stuff up
There was a guy a little while ago whose logbook said that he had over a hundred years of playtime as a lesser wisp

[cyan trellis]

i did find something cool though and not sure if its mean to do it but the equipment silence between strikes heals you to max every time you swap main attacks with multi

[lavish jacinth]

it's probably not gonna invent data out of thin air but it's not exactly reliable

[full apex]

Yea thats known, its very very funny

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's been a thing for ages

has a similar effect

[cyan trellis]

i havnt found the item until just now

[full apex]

When it adds the shield its full, and when you swap off the shield converts to filled hp

It did not do that forever, very early on the shield turned into empty hp (which is why early on people hated wake)

Whats funny is that it will fill your shield too with like psgs, because it just lowers your max shield lol

[cyan trellis]

im trying to get shrimp to make mul-t even more broken

not having any look though

anyway thanks for the help

[lavish jacinth]

np

[weak crow]

it could be that weird worm construct that in the past appeared in the bulwarks ambry sometimes

[weak crow]

on e5 and above it only heals you back half your lost hp so you lose 25% health every time you kill an overloading with wake of vultures

[broken meteor]

is rejoining a thing after you a disconnect from a friend now? just happened to me and when i rejoined everything seems to be delayed now, my attacks, messages, just everything

[severe shard]

does proc coefficient affect the overspill proc chance on runic lens or does it only affect the base chance

[full apex]

its applied at the end, so the max cap can be affected

[wintry fjord]

What is the chances of an wisp event? I got one each of my runs

[dire robin]

Is anyone else getting stuck on the loading screen on startup

[distant grail]

can I enable multiple artifacts at once and is there a downside to bringing artifacts?

[wintry fjord]

no

i mean exept for the extra challenge

[dire robin]

You can enable as many artifacts as you want

[wintry fjord]

theres even a challenge run where you enable all of them

[lavish jacinth]

2% chance for a family event

[wintry fjord]

how many events are there?

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Family_Events

[wintry fjord]

theres 14, so 14x2%

[full apex]

its a 2% to happen and then it picks one

[lavish jacinth]

not exactly, since it depends on stage

[wintry fjord]

oh ok, but that was a pretty low chance thing to happen each time on 2 runs

[full apex]

if there arent any mods or anything that might be affecting it, then probably just very lucky

its bound to happen to someone haha

[lavish jacinth]

(also there's only 11, 13 total but 2 of them are unused)

[lavish jacinth]

ngl, it feels like they've been a little more common since Devotion, but maybe that's just me

[full apex]

perhaps, ive still barely seen any tbh

i cant actually rember the last time i got one haha

maybe you guys stole my luck

[wintry fjord]

i love stealing things

[lavish jacinth]

I never actually counted, but after devotion it felt like I was getting one like every other run

[quasi crystal]

Which are unused

I remember reading sots enables parent

[distant grail]

does activating the expansions make it more rare to get sky meadow?

[wintry fjord]

Nah, it's just a 50/50

I think they did it in a recent patch

[left trellis]

the game has been fixed for a while now

[distant grail]

whats the difference between selections in the starting menu being the plain symbol and the symbol with the yellow diamond marker?

[lavish jacinth]

in which part of the menu?

[full apex]

if its on like abilities or items in the logbook, thats just a highlight of something new that will go away when you click on it

[lavish jacinth]

the yellow diamond symbol usually indicates that something is selected, not sure what you mean by "plain symbol" though

[wintry fjord]

Can artifact of kin make it only stone titan or other large enemy

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

it has to be something the director can afford to spawn as a normal enemy though, so it won't start picking bosses until later stages

[wintry fjord]

Ok ty

[distant grail]

I got the moon thing that makes my hp into shield
does it work with the crowbars?

[marsh gust]

Its a multiplayer thing
Plain symbol is not voting, the diamond is voting for the thing
The X is voting against the thing

[marsh gust]

Crowbars count the enemy hp not yours

[distant grail]

ohh, so it would be a good idea to not get the robot things so that I can do damage right?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, taking drones is still fine, they're good at drawing aggro and healing/equipment drones can be really useful.

They don't generally do much damage (without ), so if an enemy has so little health that a drone steals your crowbar damage bonus, you probably didn't need a crowbar to kill it. And usually you can get the first hit before they do anyway

[dusky raven]

It can just extremely rarely. once doing all artifact runs i got Dunestriders stage 1

took 10 min for anything to spawn

[lavish jacinth]

interesting

[distant grail]

does the Ocular Hud guarantee critical damage or is it just doubling my chance my getting a crit?

[lavish jacinth]

it's guaranteed crits

[full apex]

its +100% crit to be exact, which really only matters for railgunner

for everyone else it just guarantees your crit will be over 100% chance

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's equivalent to getting 10 stacks of

[distant grail]

ohh okay thanks

[rose adder]

can somebody give me tips on how to beat eclipse with merc

im running all alt except whirlwind

i know about expose transferring and that

just general item and run things whatever, I feel like im always falling behind

[lavish jacinth]

here's a general merc guide, a few things have changed but most of the important stuff is still true https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2632486396

oh yeah, and I think trimping is still broken with the physics update, so try to avoid that on e3+

for items you can more or less treat him like a proc character, and focus crystal is also an obvious pick. Plus usual stuff like speed and healing
The nice thing about merc is that if you're good at using expose, then he can essentially get stronger the more overwhelmed he is, because more enemies around you = more expose = more damage and shorter cooldowns

the tradeoff is that his single target damage is pretty weak, so the mithrix fight kinda becomes a war of attrition

just keep poking at him and abusing dash iframes and you'll get through it

[rose adder]

how do you deal with bosses that spawn out of the tele radius? I find it incredibly annoying having to get out of the range because by the time I kil lthem and come back the tele is at like 17%

and its a huge waste of time

[rose adder]

yeah this part is super annoying to me

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, merc is at his strongest when he can dive into a pile of enemies and keep his cooldowns super short

[rose adder]

i absolutely hate wisps it is insane how they are more of a threat than bosses

as merc

[lavish jacinth]

depends on the situation, if the boss is in a spot where they can move back into the radius, you can just hang out and wait for them while charging the tp.
Sometimes you do get some really stupid boss spawn that makes you leave the radius though, unfortunately there's not much you can do besides leaving or tossing SW at them over and over

[rose adder]

okay thanks il;l keep that in mind

[mental sorrel]

Magma worms going for my gunner turret across the map instead of me :

[lavish jacinth]

Dash or special can usually take care of em

[rose adder]

usually ive timed my monsoon/eclipse runs ending at about like 52 ish minutes, is that good or does it need to be shorter?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, that's fine

[dusky raven]

time won't really matter

[rose adder]

I go for most items that are not in-convenient

[glacial knoll]

if you win, you're doing it right

[dusky raven]

don't worry about shorter

[lavish jacinth]

go for as much loot as you can

[rose adder]

okay thanks 👍

[dusky raven]

my runs can go 60-70 min

[lavish jacinth]

a good rule of thumb is to get every item and leave with more items than minutes

[lavish jacinth]

magma worms hate gunner turrets, it's a known fact of nature

[dusky raven]

a win is a win

[lavish jacinth]

iirc hopoo even tried to fix their AI at one point so they'd stop doing that, but they couldn't do it

[mental sorrel]

Some people will do what you do in 30 minutes, others in an hour n a half. As long as you think you're maximizing your progress, it's wtv

[rose adder]

I remember when I first started the game I saw that one Woolie video and I think it permanently poisoned my mind 😭

[rose adder]

🫡

[mental sorrel]

You can't control the worm 😞

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, don't listen to the 5 minute rule lol

it's kinda just a holdover from ror1 and the early days of ror2, but it's kinda just an arbitrary metric

and it's unfairly biased against slower characters

items will almost always make you stronger faster than the timer can make you weaker, just try to be efficient about getting them

[mental sorrel]

If you watch any streamers play the game, like the more popular ror2 ones, they all take their sweet ass time on stages

I'm even sorta surprised by the consistent 10-15 minute stages they brush off, but they still win so 🤷‍♂️

[lavish jacinth]

15 minutes a litle much, but if you walk away with 15+ items then it's probably still worth it

[mental sorrel]

Definitely

1:1 item to minute ratio is the best way to look at time

Even then, it's wtv, time ain't thattttt important, just don't waste it

[quasi crystal]

I'm spending a 5 minute walk to a scrapper to scrap that aegis

[mental sorrel]

Damn straight

[rose adder]

did they fix this? I have been trimping at extreme angles and receivednone of the bugged fall damage I did before the patch

[lavish jacinth]

oh, maybe they did then

[leaden field]

I usually like to go with the rule of thumb of trying to avoid more than 10 min per stage

Unless I’m really strong, then time no longer matters

Generally though, items > time

[weak crow]

if you're getting more than 10 items for spending more than 10 minutes then it's 100% worth it

but just keep in mind spending more time on later stages is more detrimental as the difficulty scales faster per stage completed

its still worth it if you're getting items, just be wary of wasting time

[wind kernel]

General rule of thumb is, stop mindlessly killing monster

Spending additional 5 minutes to just print good item is always worth the time

Effective item count (counting only good items) is more important than how much item youre getting / time spent

Enemies are just there mostly for money

[bold reef]

I used to hold to this so strictly and it actually fucked me over so much

Efficient full looting is the way to go for sure

[neon abyss]

why does my eccentric vase sometimes says "you know what, fuck you ends in the middle of fucking nothing"

[livid wedge]

Currently bugged

[lavish jacinth]

It happens if you have bolstering lantern

[neon abyss]

why???

[lavish jacinth]

It somehow gets stuck on lanterns radius

It works if you aim it upwards though, so you can at least pillar skip

[neon abyss]

I noticed

[brazen sluice]

my ONLY gripe with the new antlers: the orbs dont go through terrain and therefore often get stuck on even mildly bumpy ground. everything else is perfect 🙂

[grand dove]

yo does anyone wanna play ror2 w me

[tender kelp]

for the acrid achievement with 1k poison procs, does it need to be poison specifically or does blight work as well

[viral sorrel]

would diablo strike give runic lens 100% proc chance ?

[full apex]

poison

[full apex]

runic meteor has a max chance. it used to be 50%, but it looks like now theyve changed it to 75%

proc coefficient comes after, so railgunners specials could max it (supercharge's 300% coeff means 34% would go to 100%). diablo has 100% tho

i believe this is updated. i got it from reading the code but havent confirmed it ingame yet

10k is outer 50% of diablo aoe, 40k is inner half.

both stats are maxed easily by it

[full apex]

you can check the lfg channels like #lfg-pc-ror2

[viral sorrel]

ic ic thanks ya

[tender kelp]

dang bruh

[full apex]

its not too bad, epidemic applies to basically everything

[olive robin]

Does Artifact of Kin allow hermit crabs? I know Dissonance doesn't have them anymore, but does kin still?

[wide parrot]

Does Chefs “Bison Recipe Complete” challenge have to be done in one run?

[spring spoke]

what happened to my name

[marble osprey]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't

[brazen sluice]

finally bit the dust (simulacrum lvl 165)

[true apex]

so is eccentric vase bugged right now? it stops on the bolstering lantern ring

[full apex]

yes

[distant grail]

whats the bar that appears after the m2 on railgunner?

[wintry fjord]

Reload and if you press m1 while the line is on the white box you get extra damage

[safe geyser]

Whats the best loadout for artificer, all default and the big jump right?

[brittle plaza]

did they fix the bug for seekers of the storm?

[full apex]

Probably just all default

Primaries are interchangeable, fire better damage early and ion aoe helps total damage procs later. Ball is better than spear and flamethrower is incredibly powerful, dropping it for surge loses a ton of damage and crowd control. If you prefer surge thats fine, but its a big power loss and killing things faster means less things that can hit you, so the defensive utility is debatable

[marble osprey]

Nah ion surge is way better than flamethrower

Arti has plenty of damage, staying in flamethrower range and being unable to sprint is unnecessarily risky for how much damage it does

Even if you land the entire flamethrower, it's only about as much damage as a single nano-bomb

[analog brook]

This is a very vague question but I've been out of the loop in the commiunity recently, are there any more indepth and nieche things one should be aware of with the new update/reworks? Such as when chronic expansion used to be what was practically +0.5 damage per buff without scaling

Any hidden quirks really

[quasi crystal]

warbonds isnt blacklisted from turrets so have fun

[full apex]

No way, its a ton of utility. It has pretty strong range and infinite piercing, as well as great procs and scaling well with items. Ion surge tends to misposition you pretty aggressively as well.

Not being able to sprint is not a big deal, you just have to have good positioning and play well. The damage from flame to ion is not evem comparable at all, and adding that much to her kit is partly what keeps her damage competitive.

[lavish jacinth]

it does, but I wouldn't recommend it.
it's a huge gamble that you'll actually get hermit crabs in the first place, unless you get really lucky it'll be faster to just use swarms

[full apex]

The utility from ion surge is not really that great especially if you play well, so losing the damage for what is occasionally moderate defensive utility isnt worth it

[lavish jacinth]

(flamethrower is also more fun)

[marble osprey]

There are a lot of weird little quirks with the items, like warped echo doesn't work properly with stuff like repulsion armor or planula anymore, unstable transmitter will protect watches and bottles, luminous shot has a proc coefficient now so it can proc bands and stuff, etc

[analog brook]

Oh actually, I briefly do recall a mention of noxious thorn being able to do some weird stuff like stack non stackable debuffs and even spread exposed... Are these true?

Ooooooooo wait luminous shot proccing bands could actually be so hype

[marble osprey]

It can spread expose, idk about stacking non stackable debuffs tho

[analog brook]

Didn't warp echo always ignore planula and rap on the extra hits?

[full apex]

What would be a nonstackable debuff it could stack in theory?

[full apex]

No it was applied up front once before the split

[lavish jacinth]

it always did, yeah

it got them on the first hit but not the extra ones

[full apex]

The echo hit didn't activate planula or double dip rap

[analog brook]

Death mark maybe

[full apex]

It wouldn't do anything tho

Im curious about pulverize buildup now though

[marble osprey]

War bonds doesn't target multiple bosses correctly, after the one it's targeting dies it gets confused and starts targeting you

[lavish jacinth]

I think expose is the only debuff that can stack, but isn't stackable under normal circumstances

[full apex]

New warbonds seems fucked haha.

I should do a run starting with it to see how it feels to have from s1, i feel like it would be incredible

[analog brook]

Yeah I got this and I was extremely confused, idk why but it felt extremely uncomfortable for some reason lol

[full apex]

I haven't gotten it at all yet.

I wanna try fmp with new chronic too

[marble osprey]

I did some testing with it immediately after launch out of curiosity, it's pretty strong, and it does have a proc coefficient

[analog brook]

The warbonds run I got was pretty good but not super absurd. I wasn't aware it could proc stuff and was effected by a ton of items the way it is

It'd prob be fine without a proc co imho

[full apex]

Removing 50% of a big late game bosses health sounds wack

[lavish jacinth]

it works on final bosses too, and on all of their phases

[full apex]

Damn really??

[analog brook]

Does anyone know how obtaining the buffs work btw? Can you like. Get more night bossfight and have it hit them even more..?

[full apex]

Wtf haha

[marble osprey]

Yes but it only triggers on phase transition

[lavish jacinth]

mithrix and voidling at least, haven't confirmed with false son or twisted scav

[analog brook]

I'd assume anything with a boss hp bar

[marble osprey]

So if you get gold from the ads in phase 2 Mithrix, you'll get more missiles phase 3

[full apex]

Does it work for alloy worship unit?

Curious if its on scripted combat encounter spawns, since final bosses are those

[marble osprey]

Phase 4 they all hit while Mithrix is invincible tho

[marble osprey]

It does very well against false son

[full apex]

Just get the frame 1 stagger

[marble osprey]

I need to test how the damage works with multiple bosses though, I have a hunch the damage is based on the specific enemy it's targeting rather than the entire boss healthbar

[full apex]

Yea i would assume on hit it references the targets max hp

That would be the most straightforward approach

[marble osprey]

It makes it much stronger against single bosses than multiple bosses though which is kinda weird to me

[lavish jacinth]

I think it makes sense to have it work that way, even just deleting one boss out of a group is pretty substantial

[full apex]

Yea i think balance wise its probably better to not just completely nullify teleporter events

[lavish jacinth]

and in theory it's probably supposed to target another boss once the initial one dies, so it could potentially kill multiple if you throw in some multipliers

[full apex]

Making the game more just standing around waiting isnt very interesting and removing a core portion of the challenge is kinda eh

[distant grail]

any way of pausing the game while in a selection menu?

[marble osprey]

Yeah I definitely think it's too strong against single bosses

[full apex]

Its like launch braincoat was too much, completely nullifying all elite effects was just kinda bad design on top of op

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[full apex]

With mods you could have a keybind to slow time with debug toolkit

I do that sometimes since its kinda annoying otherwise. But base game no

Idk if there's a dedicated mod for pausing on those menus, though I like being able to only pause sometimes for it

[distant grail]

yea its kinda annoying for me
especially because im a little new and it causes me to die trying to read the descriptions sometimes

[full apex]

Yea.

[lavish jacinth]

you can pause the game and look at the logbook if you want, although it doesn't help if you're using inspect to look at drones and shrines and stuff

[marble osprey]

Another fun one is growth nectar doesn't increase acceleration like it should so getting too many buffs from it basically gives you ice physics

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, I saw that

and the exponential stacking too lol

[marble osprey]

Yeah the stacking is nuts

Oh also unstable transmitter makes you always have osp while its active unlike bottles which can be bypassed if you go straight to 0% from above 25%

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

transmitter + means you basically cannot die lol

[marble osprey]

Does blast shower remove it's cooldown? It doesn't have an inactive indicator so I assumed it didn't

[lavish jacinth]

for some reason it does, yeah

gearbox definitely overcorrected with buffing some of the bad items

[marble osprey]

Definitely but at least they're fun this way

[lavish jacinth]

Which I kinda suspect may have been on purpose, bc imagine how badly the update would've been received if they reworked all the items and they still sucked

[marble osprey]

Items being a bit overtuned is def better than them just being auto scrap

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I think they decided to err on the side of stuff being op and nerfing it later if needed

[peak jacinth]

I think they also wanted to make the items interesting and fun to use

[olive robin]

Good to keep in mind. Thank you!

[peak jacinth]

cuz before a lot of the items weren’t just bad, they were also really boring too

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, there are more interesting concepts to play around with now

[fast chasm]

does beating false son count for mastery skins?

[quasi crystal]

Anyone else have outdated logbook info on sots items

[distant grail]

do green portals make the game harder earlier?

or is rail gunner just super lacking in multi-target

[olive robin]

Definitely. I strongly suggest going after Gas or Wisps early. Or attack speed. Don't scope in on anything small. Any AOE will help.

[olive robin]

And yes, if you interact with the altar and let yourself be rebirthed, as that counts as ending a game.

[distant grail]

I feel like some of the characters benefit more from commander than others

[olive robin]

The artifact of command? Yeah. Definitely for early game. Later in, they all even out, but railgunner, chef, and false son seem to really just need that boost to get them started.

Less so FS, but I've found he hits hard, but gets outpaced very quickly by lemurs and wisps early without any MS buffs

[weak crow]

ignore the ghost pimg lmao

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, everyone benefits from command a ton, it guarantees that they can get the best build possible lol. Some survivors are kinda just naturally stronger than others

[lavish jacinth]

also disagree on scoping in on small stuff, as long as you can keep your distance and get perfect reloads it's pretty much always better to quickscope enemies rather than slowly wearing them down with her weak primary.
her primary is mostly useful for getting enemies out of your face, or using the recoil for cancelling fall damage

ofc that's assuming you're good at quickscoping small targets, but if not then that's something worth practicing

[distant grail]

I've noticed scoping in on small stuff improved my chances of not getting surrounded easily

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's pretty much a guaranteed instakill on fodder mobs, so you can just take one shot and run instead of having to stop and use her primary

even better if you have etc., you set off kill chains with a single shot and the high damage works great for uke

[safe geyser]

Whats better nano bomb or nano spear for artificer

[lavish jacinth]

both are decent, bomb is a little better on average though imo, especially if you're using ion surge. Hard to line up piercing hits when you're above everything

[safe geyser]

Thx

[arctic sequoia]

how good is false son? only survivor i dont have

i heard he wa skinda buggy but idk if it fixed

[rose adder]

unless they rebalanced him he is really really strong

very very overtuned imo

[arctic sequoia]

like compared to railgunner? since last i heard she was one of the most brainded

[marble osprey]

Very strong, gets free high regen and movement speed, a slam with massive damage and a 3.0 proc coefficient, and a massive damage laser

[rose adder]

uhh he is somewhat braindead I guess, he has innate regen, and a death beam

[marble osprey]

He's up there with railgunner if not stronger

[rose adder]

I wouldn't call raingunner braindead exactly, requires some skill to aim and to mine jump well, but yeah I get your point

[arctic sequoia]

i can never find the gold statue man, and if i can i never get to the final dlc level

[arctic sequoia]

is he strongest or am i sleeping on another survivor?

[rose adder]

IMO strongest

[marble osprey]

Strongest is kinda subjective, idk personally but some people would definitely say he's the strongest and for good reason

[coarse fox]

Use the Bazaar, gold portal has a chance to appear in it.

[arctic sequoia]

oh cool

[rose adder]

I would say with railgunner regardless of items you can have very very good runs

survivors like commando if you do not get some types of items

you start falling off

like stage 1 beetle queen with no AOE is a complete pain in the ass

[lavish jacinth]

false son's kit basically just has everything he needs already built into it and is ridiculously strong on top of that

his passive can give him move speed, attack speed, armor and regenj

primary is a spammable 1500% aoe, with a 3.0 proc coeff if you use it on the ground

secondary has a stackable debuff that makes enemies take more damage

special deals a fuckton of damage and scales even more from his passive

like, before FS, Loader and Railgunner were generally considered to be tied for strongest survivor

but FS is on another level

[distant grail]

does laserscope work on railgunner?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[arctic sequoia]

Should I wait for final boss rework before trying to unlock false son

[lavish jacinth]

nah, it's very doable, especially since you'll almost definitely need to loop to get it anyway

false son fight is very unfair pre-loop, but he doesn't have adaptive armor like the other final bosses, so if you've got post-loop damage he just kinda dies

[arctic sequoia]

any survivor reccomendations? also does prime merridian event mean just beating the boss or is it a different thing

might try merc

[hoary sedge]

prime meridian event just means beating fs yeah

[arctic sequoia]

i can do it on drizzle? just for the unlocks i wanna get stuff quick

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[arctic sequoia]

cool

[hoary sedge]

yeah any difficulty is fine

[lavish jacinth]

artifacts are also allowed

[arctic sequoia]

maybe ill do void fiend for the skin

[lavish jacinth]

I remember having an easy time doing it with Acrid

viend would be good too though

[arctic sequoia]

i can try acrid, idk how to build viend tbf

since hes half sniper and half multi hit

[lavish jacinth]

viend is a proc character but you can kinda do whatever with him

[arctic sequoia]

i just like playing him because he looks cool lol

[lavish jacinth]

and he has a good built-in heal, so you can focus mostly on speed and damage

[arctic sequoia]

i wonder if you beat fs on monsoon it gives both skins

prob not worth it tho easier to obliterate prob

or do mithrix

also i like viend since it has no alternate abilities so im not worried about optimizing