ror2-game-questions

[candid imp]

And what I mean by bad rng

Is getting something like bungus on merc

[tender temple]

Scrap it

Turn it into energy drink

[candid imp]

Wouldn't find any scrappers

[lavish jacinth]

or find a way to use it

or just put up with it being there, it's not like it hurts you to have one

[tender temple]

If you don't have any healing at all it's still something

Especially if you wanna grind out the blood shrines and whatnot

Worst case you can even keep it in case you find a wungus so you will have more of it

[lavish jacinth]

maybe I'm biased because I grew up playing FTL and TBoI, ror2's rng is incredibly forgiving in comparison lol

[tender temple]

It is

[slow cloak]

Question if you get stone titan in an open area are you just supposed to instantly die to the laser or is there some way you can stop him from using it

[tender temple]

Tboi rng is hold r until the game gives you anything to work with

[lavish jacinth]

play a run of FTL where you get all the way to the end, only to have the final boss roll a die and decide that you don't have any weapons or shields for the rest of the fight

[tender temple]

If you stay close enough his laser will slow down and become rather inaccurate

[lavish jacinth]

1. stay behind cover while it's firing
2. It won't use the laser if it's above 99% health, so try to be near cover before you start damaging it

or better yet, have a drone or something damage it first so it draws aggro and eats the laser for you

[tender temple]

If you have enough movespeed you can circle around him and it won't be able to do anything at all

[lavish jacinth]

(that probably won't happen early on though)

[tender temple]

Some survivors can do it with just their mobility skills

[lavish jacinth]

tru

[tender temple]

Bandit can just press a button to completely negate the beam too

Commando can do it even with his roll

As long as you get behind his back his laser will have trouble tracking you until his body turns around

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, and early on makes the laser into a complete joke

[tender temple]

So just do it again when he does

If only false sons laser was this easy to avoid

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, and it also won't use the laser at all if you're too close to it.
That won't stop the laser if it's already firing, though.

[lavish jacinth]

also apparently it's 95% health and not 99, at least according to the wiki

[slow cloak]

How do I get rid of the void bubbles that do damage while your in em

[lavish jacinth]

kill all the void enemies on the map

there's a counter on the right showing how many are left, when you're down to the last 3 there'll be arrows on the edges of the screen that point to them

[slow cloak]

How do you deal with the grandparent using the sun bc cover didn’t save me

[spring spoke]

is benthic bloom a meme item, or is it actually viable?

[lavish jacinth]

it builds up stacks of burn the longer you're in it, cover does protect you but if you're already on fire it may not save you

it always does the attack at 50% hp so be ready for it, there'll be shadows on the ground to help you see where safe spots are too

[lavish jacinth]

it's mostly a meme item but it can sometimes be useful, usually the best time to take it is either 1 or 2 stages before the end of a run, or if you've got an awful run that's circling the drain and you need a hail mary

[spring spoke]

👌

[dusky raven]

does Void corruption on void fiend count as a buff for growth nectar?

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[dusky raven]

cool

[slow cloak]

How does shipping request form work

Is it meant to happen after you teleport to the next area? If so where does it spawn its stuff bc I NEVER see it

[lavish jacinth]

it shows up on future stages like rusted key, yeah. It looks like this

usually it's pretty easy to spot on account of being on fire

stacking it increases the chances of the items being a higher rarity

[slow cloak]

Hey question is there meant to be an option to select any item when you get it

Because it kinda seems like the game just fucking instantly kills you if you don’t get any speed items

[full apex]

thats from the command artifact

[slow cloak]

Ik those exist but there insanely rare

Is there a way to make em common enough that you can actually not die instantly past stage like two

Because otherwise I might god damn snap and quit because how the hell are you meant to do anything if you don’t get any speed when every boss ever demands you to be able to run around at Mach 7

Or die because magma worm that teleporting one that stupid gecko if it spawns 2x as a boss god damn every even mid game boss

Grandparent too, they all demand 25827925702 speed

[full apex]

you can usually get by with just full looting, good positioning helps

[slow cloak]

Never do

NEVER do.

[full apex]

it really might just be needs more getting used to patterns and learning when to prioritize cover and stuff

[slow cloak]

I have terrible rng it’s command artifact or nothing

[full apex]

how long have you been playing?

[slow cloak]

Got into it semi recently but I can clearly see the patterns

I just can’t move fast enough to do jack shit.

Oh yeah I can tell with magma worm I need to see where it’s going and go away from there

Small issue I’m not Usain Bolt

So uh what can I do with the knowledge of that pattern

Yeah for the geckos you need to get distance so you can weave inbetween the 5 fireball attack

[full apex]

things like titan laser can be avoided with good movement and positioning with no items, vagrant is ez, beetle queen ez to avoid, dunestrider can be avoided pretty well with no items and the succ is avoided with positioning...

[slow cloak]

Again. I’m not Usain Bolt, so that knowledge is useless

With the teleport boss you get away from it bc it’s only melee. One small issue, I. Am. Not. Usain. Bolt.

[slow cloak]

Those early game bosses are fine

I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about the mid game ones

[full apex]

you really dont need that much movement
magma worm can be troublesome but is manageable and is pretty rare

[slow cloak]

Except stone titan you need a wall or you die

[full apex]

imps can be avoided

[slow cloak]

You absolutely do especially if so much as one other enemy spawns in

[full apex]

titan you can kite the laser easily by being nearby

[slow cloak]

The boss version not the tiny ones.

[full apex]

it feels bad as an answer but theres really probably some level of skissue

[slow cloak]

W/ 5 eyes

[full apex]

yea

his tele is telegraphed, movement is slow

[full apex]

also you really should be looting the whole stage, if you dont you are missing items and making your rng much much worse

[lavish jacinth]

I hate to say it but I think I agree
you absolutely can dodge most things with little to no speed, it just takes some getting used to

[slow cloak]

I’d love to hear what skills I should have employed when 2 stone titan lasers were aiming at me, 3 bulls ramming at me, 4 of those stupid sky rodants shooting at me, and no walls within a 2427949725 mile radius, and I also have no speed items because funny RNG

[full apex]

what character?

[slow cloak]

Railgunner

[lavish jacinth]

and even if you don't get move speed, odds are you'll get something else useful, you just need to be able to utilize whatever items you're given

[lavish jacinth]

railgunner has decent movement with her mines, but she really struggles with crowd control

[slow cloak]

I had a CC build

[full apex]

well if you have 2 lasers winding up then its probably a good idea to try and get cover, her mines are really great mobility but take some skill to use well

[slow cloak]

Actually, a really good one

[lavish jacinth]

protip if you didn't know, you can detonate her mines faster if you throw both at once, only one can exist at a time so the older one detonates instantly

[slow cloak]

It just didn’t matter because i was too slow to dodge magma worm and fall damage makes the mines unable to work

[lavish jacinth]

did you happen to get a screenshot of it?

[slow cloak]

There’s none. No walls at all within legit a 5 mile radius

[full apex]

but if you can handle one laser then you can just kite the other titan to avoid it and get by

[lavish jacinth]

the fall damage is a pretty small price to pay compared to being dead, usually it's not even that much unless you throw yourself off a cliff

[full apex]

the bison and stuff shouldnt be a big deal, you can dodge them esp with mines

also using mines to just get a headstart on the lasers to kite a big chunk of their uptime would probably work fairly well

i dont think fall damage has ever been a concern for me from railer mine movement

[slow cloak]

No but I can give a general idea. Corrupt guitar thing with weird name I cant spell, corrupt needle thing, a few fire rate items, and some other just general damage/utility tools that make the normal attacks do damage

[full apex]

but you probably want to try and be going mostly horizontal for speeeeeeeeeed

[lavish jacinth]

that mostly sounds like single-target damage

[slow cloak]

Not while magma worm is moving at Mach 10 and covering half the spaces you can run to, while also trying to find somewhere to dodge laser, while also trying to shoot down the Wooly sky fuckers that just kill you if you can’t kill them fast enough

[full apex]

idk if you have recording software, but if you really really wanted we could probably review and give some tips

[lavish jacinth]

crowd control would be stuff like etc., stuff that lets you damage groups

[slow cloak]

The problem isn’t that any of these things fuck you over individually it’s that they’re all at once

[full apex]

how did you have worm and titan on you hahaha

[quasi crystal]

Base guitar corrupt will o wisp will be a cc machine on rg

[slow cloak]

Those don’t help with making railgunner M1s do meaningful damage

[slow cloak]

Not titan the mini version.

[lavish jacinth]

they help with crowds

and you should be using her scoped shots for damage

[full apex]

if you are late enough to get tons of bosses spawning you really should have enough items to handle it, if not you probably need to get more items

for regular golems, you can use other golems and bosses to block the laser

[quasi crystal]

[slow cloak]

Cool most of the crowd was mini-boss style enemies, bisons, stone whatever’s, etc.

[lavish jacinth]

those items would still have helped

[slow cloak]

Ah yeah lemme figure out the insane patterns of the magma worm and use those to block the golem lasers because I do have a degree in trigonometry and can, on the fly, figure out the exact path the spastic fuck is going to take

Like any normal person can do!

[lavish jacinth]

deals 80% of the damage of the hit that procced it across multiple enemies
proc that off of supercharge (which has a 3.0 coeff so it's pretty dang likely to proc) and it'll easily wipe out a crowd

[full apex]

well clearly you arent gonna block with the worm thats fucked and the timing probably wont even line up

but you can block a golem laser with another golem and golems are easy to hitstun, so you hitstun the front one and both miss

or just jump before they shoot, that works with anyone with no mobi at all

[lavish jacinth]

I don't mean to just say "skill issue" but it really sounds like you're either exaggerating these situations, a lot of these are things that you CAN deal with

[slow cloak]

There was only one which made it worse because I had absolutely nothing to shield myself

[full apex]

im assuming something just happened and you are frustrated, thats what it sounds like

[slow cloak]

From anything

[slow cloak]

More like every fucking run is like this

I die to either a lack of speed, or a lack of speed

[full apex]

it would probably be much easier to accept judgements after calming a bit

[lavish jacinth]

Something I've seen pretty often is newer players panicking when they get swarmed by hordes of enemies and making bad decisions (or just not making a decision at all)

I'm serious, it is something that you get used to with practice

[slow cloak]

Because I have such bad RNG it’s abysmal

[full apex]

but fr if you arent full looting you really should be

[lavish jacinth]

also this

[slow cloak]

Ysee the nice part about that M1 build I mentioned is that I can just hold M1 down and the shots aim themselves. Even if I was panicking, I wasn’t, it wouldn’t have affected much. Not like I could land a special railgun shot on the worm anyways, fucker moves a mile a minute

[slow cloak]

So far all I’ve heard is skill issue when I’ve seen clear evidence that it isn’t it and it simply has to do with the fact that every time I’ve died I haven’t been able to move away from a threat

Every. Time. I’ve. Died.

[full apex]

i dont really like railers m1, its not very powerful, her main appeal is the aimed shots

[slow cloak]

If I could have outmaneuvered the void worm if I could get to proper cover wire grandparent if I could have avoided the geckos one shotting me with the up close 5 fire ball.

[full apex]

the problem is that while some cases may be troublesome, the majority arent. and experienced players dont have as many problems as you describe, so its 100% avoidable

[slow cloak]

In all those situations I’d have lived if I had legit any speed accessories

[slow cloak]

And in these situations I have NO OTHER outs

Minus the get the godly one shot build

Which will never happen with my rng.

Ever.

[full apex]

railer has sooooo much range that you can basically fight with cover nearby regardless of other positions. if you need t ofight outside the tele a bit, you can

[slow cloak]

So the options are kill the problem before it’s a problem or get speed.

[full apex]

but also rng really isnt that bad if you are looting stages

[slow cloak]

I tried that for all of these

[full apex]

by like s4 or s5 if you have literally no movement something is probably wrong, thats not super common...

[slow cloak]

It never worked because the other thing that kills the other 50% of my runs, FUCKING FALL DAMAGE

[lavish jacinth]

like okay, this situation

taking out the blind pests would be my priority, they're the hardest thing to avoid and deal a lot of damage. They'll also die the fastest which gets any on-kills going.
Like I said earlier, titans won't use their laser at all if you don't damage them below 95% and their fist is easy to avoid, so you pretty much ignore them. As for the worm, While I'm dealing with the pests I'd be getting to high ground as soon as possible, since they move through terrain it's harder for them to damage you if you're up on a raised platform or something

Also also, BUY DRONES, you'd actually be amazed how much work they can put in just by being meat shields and drawing aggro

[slow cloak]

Whoever thought it’d be a good idea to instantly bring you to 1 hp if you so much as SLIGHTLY miscalculate the absurd path of there utility

Should not be touching games

[slow cloak]

Itw wasn’t a titan it was a GOLEM

[lavish jacinth]

okay, that's just straight up not true. Unless you're playing with eclipse 3 or frailty, fall damage in ror2 is pretty rarely that severe unless you're falling off the map

[lavish jacinth]

then just keep moving, their tracking isn't perfect

[slow cloak]

Yes falling off the map, which is insanely easy to do when you have the fling you at Mach 10 button that is almost mandatory

[lavish jacinth]

no?

[slow cloak]

I actually did try that btw, they were the first thing I shot down. I just died to worm instantly bc I could outmanovur them and there were no real vantage points for me to run to

[full apex]

if you mean mines, this is a perfect example of something you can easily improve with practice

[slow cloak]

I also did have a drone, not a lot but I had one

[lavish jacinth]

Controlling her mine jumps takes a little bit of practice but they don't launch you hard enough to completely lose control

[slow cloak]

I shouldn’t need to be an expert of the game to deal with these, minus maybe have artifacts or get god runs with the other characters I have unlocked because sofar the other three I have seem practically useless by comparison.

And again I DO NOT HAVE THE RNG TO SPARE.

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you don't need to be an expert at the game to deal with them though

[full apex]

its really not that difficult

[high forum]

it doesn't require expert-level understanding of the game lol

[slow cloak]

I need a character that works regardless of RNG and railgunner is my closest bet

[lavish jacinth]

this is also something to get used to with any roguelike
you WILL die a lot early on. The important thing is to try to learn from it and do better next time

[slow cloak]

The mines have an insane margin for error on any map you can fall off from yes you do

[full apex]

are you getting everything you can?..

rng should not be that big of a deal, its basically never make or break for me and i have hundreds of hours in ror2

[slow cloak]

The only thing I’ve learned is speed is mandatory and I never get speed so I can never progress

[full apex]

almost 1k by now lol

[lavish jacinth]

same

[lavish jacinth]

Again, I think you've built this up in your mind as being a lot more of a problem than it is

[slow cloak]

Meaning I can never get any characters I want because I never get speed

[high forum]

you're definitely overthinking it

[slow cloak]

It’s been the main reason I’ve died every game I’ve played

Infact it’s the only reason any of my late gameish runs die

I never get speed then I get thrown against a boss like magma worm or that one teleporting fucker or those geckos and then I lose the run instantly.

because those bosses need speed to beat

And I don’t have speed so fuck me.

[full apex]

i think you might just need a short break and to come back, because theres a ton of advice given so far that absolutely 100% would work, it has been working for experienced players for ages, but you kinda are just dismissing it rn.

[lavish jacinth]

^^^

[slow cloak]

The only advice that I’ve gotten Sofar is full looting, which I was partly doing (I only ever ignored 1-2 chests that were SUPER far off from portals), “get good”, and basically get better rng

[full apex]

get good was the most important part and came in the form of tons of very specific individual examples.

[high forum]

get good is pretty solid advice when it comes to understanding the physics of the game movement

[slow cloak]

Didn’t see here but the map was basically flat there was no high ground

[slow cloak]

You’ve provided me nothing else I could do in any of the scenarios minus get more speed.

[lavish jacinth]

I literally explained exactly what you could do

[full apex]

no, thats literally the opposite weve given tons of tips for how to dodge with no or low speed

[slow cloak]

If your talking about this there was no raised platforms and I tried targeting the stupid sky ones first and died anyways

[lavish jacinth]

all of the maps that have magma worms have high ground

[slow cloak]

The only high ground I had was a insanely narrow ledge, least that was close enough that I could get to it before I died

one the magma worm was GURANTEED to hit me on because I had no dodge room

It was that stupid arctic map near a wall

Not one you can get behind btw

A border wall that’s basically unscalable

[lavish jacinth]

the wall at the back of the map, opposite the side with the water?

[slow cloak]

Don’t remember that specific I just remeber it was flat as could be

[lavish jacinth]

oh also, something that would be helpful
railgunner's m1 has enough recoil to push her backwards, which can actually negate some fall damage if you fire downward while falling

[slow cloak]

I even went as far to try and bait it up there (As I did try and jump up to a high ground as my first instinct versus it) then jumped down to buy me more time to try and deal with the cluster fuck of mobs. I also was using M1 recoil the entire time too I’m aware of that mechanic and used it the entire time to reduce fall damage and such

[lavish jacinth]

lemme see if I can recreate this rq

[slow cloak]

I even used the M1 recoil in tandem with the bombs to give me extra speed to propel myself around

[slow cloak]

You prolly can’t bc I had a massive wave of enemies, I can’t remember exactly all of them

I just was remembering the most important ones that I know are the primary reason I died

[lavish jacinth]

btw, if you're able to get recordings of your game, if you want you could try getting a clip next time you die so we could help figure out what to do

[slow cloak]

Might take a bit bc I have a lot of shitty runs that I die at the first or second place because bad boss RNG and it’s stone titan on a flat map, or I just get zero chests within a 5 mile radius of the boss area so I have no items

[lavish jacinth]

well with stone titan on a flat map, you can just do what I suggested earlier and not engage it until you're near cover. And even on titanic plains it's rare for the teleporter to not be near ANYTHING at all

[slow cloak]

I remember one run where there was 3 stupid replicators and a single chest and that was all I had to work with versus a jellyfish…

[lavish jacinth]

that seems extremely unlikely ngl
like, the game has to spawn a certain number of interactables on each stage

unless it wasted credits on like 10 gunner turrets or something (which is also incredibly unlikely) there should've been more

and even if you did get 10 gunner turrets, just kite the enemies over to them

[slow cloak]

Those were within a 5 mile radius of a boss, there was probably more at the edges of the map. I usually use railgunner mine and M1 to fling myself high and get a aerial shot of what’s near the path to the boss

[lavish jacinth]

also, is this the cliff you were on?

[lavish jacinth]

well, you don't just wanna run straight to the boss, you should be exploring the whole stage

[slow cloak]

Maybe the right one? It was a small ledge against the wall that was high up

[slow cloak]

I explore most of it as I said. It saves a lot of time to ignore the super far out corners and as such difficulty

[lavish jacinth]

like over here?

[slow cloak]

Yes it was there.

I had my back against that wall, as that’s were the portal spawned

It was on medium I think as I saved a lot of time with my strategy as discussed prior

[lavish jacinth]

well, saving time generally isn't as important as getting more items

[slow cloak]

I would have gained only 3-4 more items and knowing my luck none would be speed

I only ignored the very far chests that were insanely far outa the way

[lavish jacinth]

how do you know they wouldn't have helped, or that there wouldn't be more than 3 or 4?

[slow cloak]

Bc I don’t think like 8 chests would spawn at the very corners of the map…

[lavish jacinth]

depends on the map

[slow cloak]

I mean maps that have super far out corners

Again I fling myself up really high using railgunner and go for any chests that aren’t at the super far corners

[lavish jacinth]

hang on, I've got a clip to send but it's too big for the server lol

[slow cloak]

Just DM lol

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, if it's too big for the server it's too big for a dm lol

the upload limit here is 100mb

[full apex]

is that server or nitro restriction lol

[lavish jacinth]

well I don't have nitro, so the most I can send in a dm is like 15mb

[fleet grotto]

HII chat

[lavish jacinth]

hello

[lavish jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUBUzImKxHg ignore me noclipping at the start, I was just getting stuff set up lol

this is just me with a bunch of extra enemies spawned, and the only items I got were whatever I found on the stage, without even full looting (and a healing drone because I'm a cheater)

I don't know if it helps, but it should at least show that with practice you CAN deal with the amount of garbage this game likes to throw at you, even without speed

this clip also contains extremely rare footage of unstable transmitter actually being useful at the end, which I think makes it qualify as cryptid footage

[quasi crystal]

Ai generated

Unstable transmitter would never

[lavish jacinth]

it was really funny when it happened
you can literally see the moment I realize that I screwed up the mine jump and was definitely dead, and then absolute bewilderment when transmitter saved me

[lavish jacinth]

I should also add, I don't mean to say that this is all ez and you simply need to git gud. It's not easy, but I wanted to show that it can be done, and what that would look like

[slow cloak]

What’s the triangle thing do

[lavish jacinth]

it teleports you to a random location when you hit 25% hp

normally it's really, really fucking bad, which is why I was surprised that it saved me lol

[slow cloak]

Anyways I lacked unstable transmitter and it woulda been insanely helpful for me

That’s movement. You woulda died without movement

[lavish jacinth]

lacking unstable transmitter is usually a good thing ngl

[slow cloak]

Even if it was luck based movement that only proves my point

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, I can do it again without the transmitter if you want

[slow cloak]

Also they were more enemies and they were DIRECTLY against the back most wall

or infront of it

I mean.

[lavish jacinth]

well then you could've moved away from the wall

[slow cloak]

I had absolutely no room to breath like I said.

[lavish jacinth]

like, look at what I'm doing in the video

I'm constantly repositioning, not sticking to any one spot for too long

[slow cloak]

I died before I could.

[lavish jacinth]

well, on your next run, you can try to recognize when you're about to be in a bad situation and reposition before it's too late

see or hear a big crowd of enemies approaching? probably time to move

[slow cloak]

Everything was a bad situation 💀

The entire situation was I just couldn’t get the hell out because magma worm chased me down like hell

mighta just been bad magma worm luck tbh bc that magma worm wasn’t landing on you much.

Mine had fucking aimbot lmao

[fleet grotto]

I haven't died to magma worm yet

[lavish jacinth]

there were definitely moments where I got lucky there, but for every one of those, I think there were plenty more where I survived through skill

[slow cloak]

Yeah you are def skilled. I’m just saying always presume it’s worse case scenario with me

Because I legit have the worst RNG known to man

[lavish jacinth]

not to be rude, but it sounds like you're the one presuming a worst case scenario with you

[slow cloak]

I never get any speed items, half the time I’m scraping by with the most half assed build ever and just praying I get lucky

Like the time I got four of the stupid damage reduction when sprinting useless ass items and I had basically nothing

[lavish jacinth]

rose buckler is good though lmao

30 armor is effectively 30% more health, being able to get a 30% health buff at the press of a button is really nice

especially if you happen to find yourself in bad situations often lol

lemme just say, I hang out in this channel a lot, and usually when people say they get "bad rng", it's usually nowhere near as bad as they think it is- they just aren't utilizing the items that they do get

instead of being mad about the items you don't have, try to think of what you do have and how you can use it

[slow cloak]

Back

[slow cloak]

I am legit never sprinting ever

You can’t sprint when using M1 or M2

Which I am almost always using one of

Making that armor legit never take effect

If I’m not using M1 or M2 more mobs are spawning and thus I’m dying

[lavish jacinth]

...that might be part of the problem

you should be sprinting a lot

[slow cloak]

I can never sprint if I’m firing though

And i should realistically be either always firing or using the bombs for movement

[lavish jacinth]

again, look at the clip I sent, I'm sprinting all the time, I only occasionally stop to take a shot and then immediately sprint again

[lavish jacinth]

you should always be firing when it's a good time to fire

but sometimes you need to run

and by sometimes I mean literally any time you're not shooting

[slow cloak]

Oh also I use cryo shot for my R because I HATE the reload time on normal

I don’t even use it for the cold I use it so I don’t die after pressing R.

[lavish jacinth]

losing a few seconds of dps is 10000% worth getting to a better position that helps you survive

[slow cloak]

My build was a bit different than what you had, I had very powerful M1’s. As I said before I had a few attack speed items and a bunch of on hit procs

[lavish jacinth]

even still

maybe try that more on your next run, actively use sprint more

[slow cloak]

And I can’t M1 and sprint

[lavish jacinth]

so stop using m1 for a few seconds to reposition

[slow cloak]

I’ll use it if I don’t have a reason to use M1’s. Which is almost never lmao.

[lavish jacinth]

okay, well now you're actively rejecting my advice

you're here complaining that you con't have enough speed when you literally have a button that makes you move faster, but you refuse to use it

again, which would you rather lose- a bit of dps for a few seconds, or the run?

[slow cloak]

I don’t use it bc sprinting is pointless when there’s 5000 flyers in the sky that can and will instantly kill you

Regardless of sprint

Or if those STUPID JUMPING BASTARDS are swarming you

You know the ones, the ones from the worst starting pool of enemies, the wooly ones.

[slow cloak]

It won’t do shit if your dealing with that stupid red slime that moves at Mach 200

[lavish jacinth]

Seriously, just try it

I am telling you with ~1,000 hours of experience that YOU SHOULD BE SPRINTING

[lavish jacinth]

And yet it literally does save me from them in the clip I sent on multiple occasions

[slow cloak]

bc you had a chance to kill the flying fuckers, I didn’t.

Like I said it was the first thing I tried and I was punished HARD by the worms and bisons

[lavish jacinth]

I had a chance to kill them because I sprinted away from them and gave myself breathing room

[slow cloak]

Oh wait nvm I see why you had a good time with em

Em*

They didn’t spawn right over your head

Mine did. And my back was too a wall when they spawned

There was no run behind a cliff for safety

[lavish jacinth]

Even if they did I would've mine jumped away

[slow cloak]

There were so many mobs that if I tried to mine jump through em I woulda died instantly

[lavish jacinth]

Look, I'm trying to help, but it honestly feels like you're more focused on finding reasons why I'm wrong, rather than listening

[slow cloak]

I kinda have to prove you wrong if I want to have a constructive discussion about the use cases of sprinting.

[slow cloak]

As your directly tying your points to sprinting with what happened

[lavish jacinth]

okay, but from the sound of it, you haven't actually tried using sprinting nearly enough

[slow cloak]

Because I usually run attack speed builds bc I tend to get them frequently.

And if I have attack speed any time I’m not M1ing is a massive detriment.

[lavish jacinth]

btw I should also note that most proc items do work well with railgunner's scoped shots. With the exceptions of almost every proc item does total damage, which scales with the damage of the shot that procced it.
Even though her scoped shots won't activate procs often, they'll be incredibly powerful when they do

[slow cloak]

And gambling that I can MAYBE sprint fast enough to get out of dodge rather than using my items and tools to try and kill the problem before hand.

[slow cloak]

I had the corrupt one

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, being killed is also a pretty huge detriment

[slow cloak]

AND corrupt ukele

I can never spell that instruments name

[lavish jacinth]

polylute is also a total damage proc

[slow cloak]

The stupid corrupt guitar thing.

[slow cloak]

Yeah but it also triggers the needle thing which isn’t

Corrupt needle, I had that too.

At least it fucking should if it doesn’t then that’s stupid

[lavish jacinth]

it has a low proc coeff but it can proc it

[slow cloak]

Then exactly, I had basically the best M1 build I could god damn get

[lavish jacinth]

in all honesty I wouldn't have worried too much about the needletick, railgunner's scoped shots are going to be her strongest option in nearly every case

[slow cloak]

Sofar my only semi-successful simu run used M1s (wave 35)

So I’m inclined to believe the scoped shot is exclusively useful for tough enemies and that’s it

From what I’ve experienced.

[lavish jacinth]

and I'm inclined to say otherwise from my experience lol

like, railgunner's m1 is essentially designed to be the weakest part of her kit

[slow cloak]

Yeah at base they are

They scale way better with items though.

SO. Much better

Also wait how many teleporters do I have to use to get void fiend

[lavish jacinth]

approximately zero if you wanna do the 50 waves route
you do that in simulacrum, not the base game mode

[slow cloak]

I wanna compare how close I got in normal mode vs simu to get void fiend

[slow cloak]

I’m talking base game mode

[lavish jacinth]

oh, to get to voidling you mean

[slow cloak]

I was told and I believe simu is harder than normal mode

Void orb head man.

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, theoretically only one

you can go to void fields from stage 1, and from there to void locus and then voidling

but I wouldn't recommend that, voidling is kinda meant to be a lategame boss

it's not impossible to do it that way but you'd be relying way more on luck

[slow cloak]

Voidling…? Is that he name of the character next to railgunner

Or wait it’s a boss oh.

[lavish jacinth]

voidling is the boss you have to beat to get void fiend, yeah

[slow cloak]

How do you do that.

I’ve been doing this presuming I have to speedrun through a bunch of portals to get send to the void boss at the end or Smthn

[lavish jacinth]

1. go to the bazaar
2. jump backwards off the platform, there's a cave down below with a portal to void fields
3. Do void fields (I don't recommend going there until you at least have a way to heal, it's also pretty rng-heavy so good luck lul)
4. Take the void portal that spawns (NOT the null portal, that goes back to normal stages)
5. Do void locus, it's basically commencement but purple
6. Voidling time

alternatively

1. beat mithrix
2. run all the way back to the room you started in, there's a glass frog in the center
3. pet it 10 times, a portal will spawn
4. voidling time again

or just get a random void portal, they have a chance to appear when looping

[slow cloak]

Bazaar is the blue portal thing that sells the worst items in the game yeah

[lavish jacinth]

method 1 is theoretically the fastest but also arguably the hardest
method 2 is the easiest if you can beat mithrix, if not then it's method 3 which is luck related

[lavish jacinth]

most of them are really dang strong if used right but yes

[slow cloak]

Double hp for half speed ain’t worth it

Never bothered buying anything from it since

[lavish jacinth]

ok no that one does suck lol

you picked the worst one to start with

[slow cloak]

That’s my first impression of them

[lavish jacinth]

unfortunate

[slow cloak]

Lmao.

I just presumed all the others were identical

And refused to buy anything from that man.

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, they all have a downside of some kind, but also an upside that's usually pretty strong

2x damage for half hp for example

[slow cloak]

Question is simu or normal mode easier for getting void fiend or whatever it was

[lavish jacinth]

personally I think simu is a little easier if you can get a run off the ground

[slow cloak]

I just hated simu bc I have terrible luck

And can never get shit…

[lavish jacinth]

engineer is the character I'd recommend for that, I think I brought it up earlier

[slow cloak]

Oh engineer he looked fun!

I might try em if he’s actually good

I just have PTSD of every game ever making summon class fucking suck.

Despite it being one of my favorite

[lavish jacinth]

ok, some people will disagree with me on this
but engineer is relatively weak early on, but potentially one of, if not the strongest character in the game later on

largely because he has a ton of item synergies that just don't work on other survivors, and the ability to triple the output of some items like using his turrets

I do recommend unlocking his alt secondary and utility skills tho. pressure mines are kinda ass and the bubble shield is meh

[slow cloak]

Fair. I’ll try em off your advice

[lavish jacinth]

protip

or
consumables have this funny interaction with turrets where as long as he doesn't lose his own copy of the item, each new turret he builds will get their consumed items refreshed. Also works with

is also a really funny combo because of that

[slow cloak]

For engineer is corrupt lens better than normal lens? In simu. I have 5 normal lens and am being offered a corrupt lens

[lavish jacinth]

I would stick with normal lens personally

I find that the crit is much more valuable early on, imo void lens becomes useful when you're looping in case your damage sucks and you need a safety net

also in simu, every enemy during a boss wave is considered a boss iirc, so void lens would just stop working during the hardest waves which is kinda sucky lol

[slow cloak]

I finally got movement

I feel like a god.

Especially on engineer who can actually use it since he can sprint while holding charge

And I had the worst wave possible and died instantly

Fantastic.

Well what does the credit card looking item do

Since I’m back at square one.

[lavish jacinth]

it's more like a passive, it gives you a 10% refund on everything you buy and lets you take all 3 items from multishops

normally it's really strong, the extra items from shops makes a big difference. Not sure it'd be as helpful in simu though

[slow cloak]

I’m so fucking pissed I got to simu 50

AND IT WAS IN A CAVE WHERE INHAD NONROOM TO DODGE

OR MOVE AROUND OR DO ANYTHING

AND I DIED.

Wait what

Wait I beat simu while dead 😭

[lavish jacinth]

did it give you the unlock?

[slow cloak]

Yes

[lavish jacinth]

neat

[slow cloak]

I own him and I died. I guess I got uh. Repayed for the absolute bull crap that last wave was

[lavish jacinth]

interesting that it still counts the wave even if you're dead

[slow cloak]

Seriously a cave a freaking cave WHY CAN IT EVEN CHOOSE A TINY CAVE WITH NO ROOM TO MOVE

[weak crow]

it just happens sometimes

this one time i was about to dodge mithrix shockwave attack but a golem chimera spawned right on top of me and stopped me from jumping

[slow cloak]

Well I guess I got it legit now by getting to wave like 60 as void fiend

[tiny maple]

chat, someone can explain me how prayer beads works?

if my base dmg is 10, if have remove 5 prayer beads with x20 lvl then how high is my base dmg

[full apex]

alright, so they are bugged right now... but the way they work, is after removal from any method (including printing, egocentrism, even mithrix item succ, the only exception being benthic because your body doesnt exist mid transition) they take the remaining stack count, and pay out stats equal to 20% of one level, +5% per stack. one note is that part of the bug is not trapping 0 stacks, so its 20+(5*Stacks-1), and 20 + -5 is 15.

what this means is how many you remove doesnt matter, only how many you end up with. scrappers take in chunks of 10, so if you scrap 1 or scrap 9 you end with 0 stacks. you need 11 to end with 1. printing however only removes one so you can have leftovers.

for your example, removing 5 at a time is irrelevant because of the bug... but ill do 0 stacks left and 5 left in case you are curious. you said 10 base damage but this is just using 12 because its standard. 110 hp, 12 dmg, 1 regen

with 0 left its equal to 3 full normal levels, with 5 left its equal to 8 normal levels.
since levels by default scale at +20% per, with 10 base damage 3 levels would be +6, and 8 would be +16 base damage.

this is a larger chunk of the same spreadsheet

some other tidbits, more stacks makes them store experience faster. so even if you scrap them all at once, technically 4 is still better than 1 since they will level up faster. not a big impact tho. they also store exp slower the more stats they give you, so each time you toss a lvl 20 beads it will take a bit more to get the next to 20.

Last meme is that they store stats for your active character and dont update them later. so if you scrap them while playing acrid, and then switch to commando, you would have more stats than if you had just scrapped them as commando. this only really matters for metamorphosis though. the other funny case is heretic, where you can scrap them as a normal character to store a bit of positive regen and smuggle that onto heretic haha. (beads wont let you get negative stats so using them as heretic will not make you degen faster)

TL;DR:

when you scrap them each buff stack gives 20% +5%*stacks-1 of a normal level. ending on 0 is 15%, ending on 6 would be 50%. if you end with 1 stack left in your inventory, its 20% per buff, so every 5 buffs equals one normal level up. Ending on 0 stacks left it takes ~7 buff stacks per normal levels worth of stats.

more stacks = fill with exp faster, each time you pay out stats depending on how many you got the next fill up will be a little slower.

egocentrism works fine with it, but benthic doesnt, so be careful and maybe scrap early before changing stage if you care and have benthic.

[remote stump]

does anyone remember which came out better for engi turrets, stationary or mobile?

[full apex]

theyre very similar, mobile turrets can be more survivable via dodging stuff like bells or mushrum pools, stationary can use bungus all the time to get some sustain early on tho

stationary will have a bit better proc dps for like atg, and mobiles have a slow

[remote stump]

someone had done a graph of proc chance vs atk speed at one point

[full apex]

this is roughly how they compare at base, visions is an upgrade for both.

[remote stump]

what is visions sorry?

[full apex]

i dont have a sheet that shows multiple AS values at once but i can change the AS on this one if theres any thresholds you are curious about

, the primary attack replacement lunar

[remote stump]

oh i had never thought to use it for them!

[full apex]

it replaces their shot type and makes them basically the same apart from bungus vs moving

they sometimes overkill with it since they keep shooting until the target dies and visions has a delay on the explosion damage, but its a big enough buff that usually its worthwhile. a lot of people hate engi's primary too, so visions is a bit easier to use there

[remote stump]

im on simulacrum atm so will probs go with stationary, is there newt altar on simulacrum?

[full apex]

nope, no bazaar in that one

no hidden realms at all really

[remote stump]

ooft, have noticed gold chests still spawn so wasnt sure

[full apex]

yea on like the abyssal variant

its kinda cool they put it in but it makes me extra happy to see that stage haha

[remote stump]

100%

[tiny maple]

Thank you for your detailed and clear explanation, I really appreciate it

[flint prawn]

This was eye-opening to read, though I didn't ask the question I still learned enough to thank you. You are awesome 👍

[slow cloak]

Hey question what’s more important for void fiend: Crit or Attack speed? Rn I got the choice between all attack speed and all crit glasses

Or I. Can do a mix ig

First stage has both a glasses replicator and a syringe replicator

[flint prawn]

Each crit hit adds 2% corruption to your meter so if you want to go full red VF you can want to go crit

[glacial knoll]

crit on really all characters except railgunner for that

[slow cloak]

What does visions of heresy do

[remote stump]

replaces primary ability

[slow cloak]

Alr bad thank you. What does the golden statue do?

[dusky raven]

I assume you mean the alter of gold

it spawns a gold orb, its like the blue orb but sends you to the Gilded Coast

[quasi crystal]

Bandit isn't really hurting for crit either

[slow cloak]

Oh. I didn’t have enough money to use it. Oof

[dusky raven]

its expensive yeah

[remote stump]

not always bad

[slow cloak]

Uh I’m at the final level

…there’s no teleporter at the end collesum thing

[bold reef]

Which level is this? The final level could be a whole bunch of different things depending on what you're going for

I'm assuming you mean the moon tho??

[slow cloak]

Nvm found it and BRUH

Mithrix telegragged me during that stupid bs map spin move

Telefragged*

[bold reef]

The pizza attack has ended many a run for me too 😿😿😿

I can't lie whenever he does that attack I immediately run away from him and focus on dodging that attack until he's done

Bc I'm not confident enough to attack him while dodging all the other enemies and also dodging the pizza attack

[slow cloak]

I tried that and he fucking teleported in the middle of it

I didn’t realize I needed to do that and tried to adapt and was rewarded by having him teleport in the middle of it and then instantly kill me.

[bold reef]

Wtf he shouldn't ever move while doing the pizza spinny attack

I've never seen him do that

[stone anchor]

any tips on how to get all engineer's skill?

[runic parcel]

His abilities?

[stone anchor]

yeah

[runic parcel]

Give me a min

[stone anchor]

oki

[runic parcel]

Loop I guess

I mean 12 drones just requires buying them in stages enough and the other two require damage and crowd control looping will give

[daring cloak]

12 drones is very easily achieved

[bold reef]

Honestly yeah just go artifact of command on drizzle and loop and you'll get them pretty naturally just from being op

[daring cloak]

Just get the back up and 2 fuel cells

And use all 3 charges at once

[runic parcel]

I'm pretty sure I got it just from looping

[bold reef]

I think I remember getting the one for no enemies on map before finishing the tp I did on stage 1 and just went around killing everything before charging it

[stone anchor]

oki thank you

[daring cloak]

Oh the zero sum is easy but very unclear

DONT kill the tp boss and instead charge the tp to 99%

[bold reef]

I think you could like charge the tp to 99% and leave the boss alive, then when you're at 99% nothing else will spawn so just kill everything else then the boss

[bold reef]

Lmao yeah what they said

[runic parcel]

I didn't know that

[daring cloak]

And as for killing the boss within 5 seconds of it spawning

Idk just use a capacitor or preon to oneshot it

[runic parcel]

Damage is all you need

500 plimps go

[stone anchor]

does the musket thing work i forgot the name

[runic parcel]

I guess?

[bold reef]

It's pretty useful for when you're lacking dmg in a run too, as long as the tp is at 99 no more enemies to deal with

[daring cloak]

Yes though im not sure if you have to damage the boss normally before using it

So just chuck a mine at it and use the tricorn once the mine exploded

[runic parcel]

Yes you can use tricorn to one shot and get the achievement

[bold reef]

Apparently so!

Does that work for the artificer achievement too????

[daring cloak]

Yes but you definitely have to hit the boss first so the 1 second timer actually starts counting down

[bold reef]

Oh wow apparently it works for that too

Tricorn op

[bold reef]

Yeah I saw its still crazy tho

[stone anchor]

do the engineer turret count on the 12 drones?

[wintry fjord]

Does lysate cell work on Captain beacons

[daring cloak]

Yes but it works in a unique way

The primary beacon will get extra uses

Captain is restricted to only 2 beacons at once though so if you call down a third one the oldest beacon will get destroyed

[cedar pine]

why did i just get one shot by a blind pest

[mental sorrel]

Welcome to risk of rain

[cedar pine]

single handedly the most bullshit death i have had in this game 😭

[daring cloak]

Then you have not played much

[mental sorrel]

It'll get worse

Much much much worse

Buddy hasn't died to his own turret yet

Or to literally nothing

[flint prawn]

I love seeing new people's reactions to this game lol

[cedar pine]

not gonna catch me buying turrets

[mental sorrel]

Well there's an issue

But I meant your own engineer turret

I haven't died to a stationary turret yet, but I'll be anticipating it

[cedar pine]

oh

i dont play engi at all

[mental sorrel]

Who do ya play

[cedar pine]

no mains yet, i just have a mod installed that adds a random character button and i just play whatever it picks

was playing commando last run

[mental sorrel]

Interesting

There's an artifact that picks a new random survivor each stage

[cedar pine]

didnt know that

[steady stone]

That can happen to players too, no?

Id love to see your loader teammate just decimate you after the fight lol

[mental sorrel]

We love that

My death happened out of nowhere, I was a few loops in and I was standing next to my turret. Something exploded and it said that it killed me

[cedar pine]

how tf does this even happen 😭

terrified of playing engineer now

[livid wedge]

I had , which has a chance to spawn a ghost of an enemy you kill with 15x the damage it normally has. Mithrix steals your items in the last phase and still had my when he killed the turret and won the lottery

[cedar pine]

isnt it like 7% chance to activate 😭

[livid wedge]

Yup

[cedar pine]

would quit the game after that 🙏

[daring cloak]

Trust me

Youll encounter far more unlikely bullshit the more you play

[cedar pine]

i havent done more than one loop yet

im just getting my monsoon skins atm

got a few characters done

[daring cloak]

For example here a single eulogy turned both bands into the same useless lunar item

Someone did the math and concluded that this had about a 1/150000 chance of happening

[cedar pine]

type of shit i dont grab lunars because

[runic parcel]

I want to make an exception to lunar pods but I feel wrong even picking them up

[fresh umbra]

Are these odds for 2 copies of this lunar specifically or of any lunar?

[daring cloak]

2 copies of any lunar iirc

[full apex]

with a 5% chance to get a lunar, getting two b2b is already pretty funny, but getting the same one is like 0.00013% or 1/7605. and getting specifically visions would be like 0.0000069% which is 1/144573 lol

so specifically visions twice is not too fast off 1/150k

[daring cloak]

Of course it even ends in 69 😭

This game's rng is such a troll

[cedar pine]

Tips for voidling? I got mithrix kinda figured out already but i have never bothered fighting voidling

[quasi crystal]

Voidling is just kind of bullshit lol

[lavish jacinth]

voidling is annoying but pretty basic
-for the homing shots it can be effective to try to run towards and between them, their homing can let them go around cover but they don't turn sharply enough to do a full 180 after you run past them. Most of the time this attack is just kinda bs tho
-iirc you can just outrun the small lasers or use cover, sorta like stone golems. But they do have an aoe that can go through small cover
-when it does the sweeping beam, just try to jump over it, or stand on its head. If you don't have good vertical movement then you'll just have to die

there's also a ton of bullshit in general, like captain's util/special not working, or its legs being invincible which makes it hard to hit if you have short ranged attacks. Imo it's best to fight it after looping a few times so you have enough damage and speed to deal with it

because voidling also has approximately 1 fucktillion hp across all of its phases

and you need half-decent mobility to do the obstacle course between phases without dying, and to escape the black hole on its last phase

tl;dr my biggest suggestion for fighting voidling is: don't

[cedar pine]

I forget the arena is on the void so captain just gets crippled 😭

[lavish jacinth]

yep, only option is to take

on the bright side, essence works really well with the shotgun, and beacons wouldn't be all that useful for the fight anyway

[cedar pine]

Guess ill stick to fighting mithrix since from what im reading the fight isnt very fun

Also dont have much incentive to do it

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, if you already have void fiend unlocked then there's no real reason to do it

[cedar pine]

Yeah i just did simulacrum for that

Alr thanks

[spring spoke]

why is aguises hated?

[lavish jacinth]

Aegis?
because it sucks 99% of the time, it takes an excessive amount of constant healing to keep it active, which you probably won't have unless you're looping and have a lot of healing items stacked

engineer is really the only survivor that can get consistent use out of it thanks to the constant heal from bungus turrets

[spring spoke]

noted

[forest topaz]

Ok, so, RAP is factored in before warped echo and medkit gets doubled. Does one shot protection happen before WEcho or would you die?
Ex: 100% hp
50% 50%
Or
50% 49%
(Don't remember how much health one shot protection saves)

[lavish jacinth]

WE kicks in AFTER the final amount of damage is determined, with all defensive buffs applied- I assume that includes OSP, so I think the most damage you'd take is 45%/45% since osp leaves you at 10%
(not that you should ever rely on osp in the first place but still)

[forest topaz]

I do multiple loops, so I don't rely on it, but it is nice when enemies do a bajillion

[lavish jacinth]

still, I'll never pass up a chance to shit on osp

the osp abuse meta has done irreversible psychological damage to the ror2 community and I will take every opportunity to fight against it lmao

[agile crystal]

wait how so

i wasn't here that long for the games lifespan but im curious

[lavish jacinth]

if you weren't already aware, osp used to be extremely abusable because it still worked even with the health reduction from shaped glass, so the meta was to stack a bunch of glass and get down to like 2-3 max hp so osp would trigger on every hit and basically make you invincible

it was thankfully nerfed, but there were a ton of people that never got the memo, so for years after the nerf you'd still occasionally see people treating osp as their god

and there was the infamous rumor that PSG is bad because it "removes osp"

[visual turtle]

Need some opinions if ya'll don't mind. I'm going through and balancing the stages using stage tweaker (making Sirens not the worst stage in the game, balancing out the stage ones so it's not "technically" optimal to just reroll for Verdant falls or Siphoned forest, etc) and I want to know if you think just removing TC-280 entirely is fair or not? I like Rallypoint delta, it's a cool stage, and I'm tired of not being able to visit it because this one drone can just screw your run.

[agile crystal]

oh yeah, i remember woolie or RND praising abt that, good to know

hella broken my lord

[agile crystal]

i mean

you can win a run without it anyways

[visual turtle]

Yeah that's true, I've won runs where I've gotten three before, it's just I would like to be able to not get the newt on stage 2 or even pick delta intentionally for the bosses without the back of mind yelling at me for it being a bad choice

[lavish jacinth]

I think the ideal thing to do would just be to have the 280 itself actually be worth the credits it uses up, or somehow tweak its spawn so that it doesn't use up credits (like the preon chest or something, idk)

But I assume it's not possible to do anything like that with stage tweaker, and just reducing the credit cost probably wouldn't solve the issue

[fiery walrus]

I've never really felt it was that bad of a choice personally
but reducing the credits sounds better than just "it can't spawn"

[visual turtle]

If I could reduce the credit cost to 20 I'd honestly be totally fine with getting a tc280

[lavish jacinth]

it'd be a shame to get rid of it since it is unique and kinda cool

the only problem with reducing the cost is that I assume you'd end up getting more of them, on average. But I actually don't know that for certain so I'm kinda talking out of my ass lol

I'd say reduce the credit cost and test it a few times, see how it feels

[fiery walrus]

yea thats what I was going to say, if you drop it too low suddenly you get several and its kinda op

[visual turtle]

I don't think that's how it works (I might be talking out my ass too lmao), I'm pretty sure the game just rolls a random chance based on the weight of the interactable (TC has a weight of 1, white printer is like 30 I think), and then it spawns it and knocks of the credits it's worth, and continues that till it's out of credits

So if you lower teh credits that just means it'll place more stuff in general

[fiery walrus]

ah right, this has a seperate weight

yea then I'd just lower it, or if you want to make it permanently spawn one and remove it from the table otherwise that might also be cool

[visual turtle]

I don't think there's a mod that lowers credits, i can only change the weight with stage tweaker

[fiery walrus]

isn't there a way to bump up total stage credits

[visual turtle]

Yeah but then there's still the issue of multiple Tc280's

I think for now I'll just cut the weight in half

Thanks for the ideas though guys

[fiery walrus]

I mean if you bump up the total by the cost of one tc280
the first one is free, basically
and if you get two, its like 2 for the price of one
if you get none, more free items
don't really see a problem personally

[visual turtle]

The problem with that is if I don't get a tc280, suddenly my stage has 40 free credits worth of loot on it, or almost 3 free chests

[fiery walrus]

yeah the whole is a bit extreme
maybe like half
but again, you can tweak it later too

[visual turtle]

Half sounds like a good idea, I'll do that. Plus it also compensates for the shrine of order problem (which is 30 credits if it spawns)

[fiery walrus]

I mean thats just how shrine of order be

[visual turtle]

Yeah I don't intend to change shrine of order at all, because unlike 280 shrine of order actually CAN be useful sometimes

[fiery walrus]

that feels a little more intentional than less loot with the 280 tho

I guess, but 280 at least you do always get the drone, order you either get something really helpful sometimes or nothing

[full apex]

would be weight for the interactable and the category based on the stage to pull it, but lower cost means its able to be pulled in more scenarios.

for ex something that costs 40, if you have 100 it can be rolled, at 80 it can be rolled, at 50, at 40, but under 40 it cant. if it was 20, then under 40 its still able to be rolled into. so lower cost would make it more likely, since more expensive things are effectively removed from the pool as the credits remaining decreases.

above the costs of other things the odds are largely unaffected, but as expensive stuff gets filtered out it gets more likely to get picked. you could make an argument that even at very high remaining credit amounts its more likely since if it is pulled less credits are spent, meaning the odds of pulling again with the leftover credits exists compared to not if it was expensive.

idk if that sat all coherent

[quasi crystal]

If this is true explain my order shrine 2 tc 280 rpd

[cedar pine]

In what situations are atgs better than plasma shrimps?

I kinda just auto pick plasma shrimps and im slightly worried i shouldnt be doing that

[steady stone]

Good proc characters generally benefit from ATG more, or high damage

Like triple the damage of a loader punch can be devastating, but on captain shotgun, atgs won't proc often or do much damage

However, plimp off the shotgun will also help him proc other things like bleed

[lavish jacinth]

on average plimp is almost always better, higher dps and it's one extra damage item (two plimps easily beats 1 atg)

however atg is always better if you have either a clover or if you're rex with damaging skills, because it benefits immensely from increased luck and rex constantly breaks his own shield

the actual matchup between them gets really weird since their pros and cons are almost perfect opposites of each other, but taking plimp is pretty rarely a bad choice tbh

[full apex]

i skip it somewhat often, just because it can be annoying to manage sometimes and i just like the convenience of atg. it doesnt weaken proc chains and can retarget which is very nice tbh considering stuff like wisps are prone to just kinda die before the atg/shrimp hits

shrimp wallhacking can be nice though if you have some form of crazy aoe or on kill chains

theres also always the 'cant get rid of it' factor, where if you get more chain items and/or clover later, you might regret not just having atg and cant change your mind so you can get locked into a downgrade

tbh if it werent for the conditional id be more prone to take it, but it would be much stronger in that case. like if i have trance for some reason shrimp feels like a safer pick than normal just because it wont ever go down. losing an important chain item when you need it most can feel pretty rough haha

[prime otter]

Hello quick question, if i took the Longstanding solitude item am i locked out of going the dlc alt path?

[full apex]

i think you should be able to pull it off with gold portals, and you can seer into gilded coast from the bazaar

but if you are at max level 94, you cant level up anymore so you cant buy the pillars there and it will softlock you

[distant light]

That happened to me and I had to end the run there

[full apex]

its kinda bullshit and frankly a surprising oversight, but hopefully it will be fixed!

[lavish jacinth]

you can still get to the alt path directly via lunar seers

[prime otter]

thank you everyone !

[slow cloak]

Uh I got banished to the start of the game randomly

I’m on normal mode idk why this happened I was having a good run for once

And it sent me to the start why.

[lavish jacinth]

you mean looping? or it actually reset the run

[slow cloak]

I mean looping

It looped me for no reason

[lavish jacinth]

if you're on stage 5 and leave through any portal besides the main teleporter, or if you shift the teleporter's destination before activating it, you'll loop

[slow cloak]

I didn’t shift or use portals or nothing. I killed the two Dyson orbs and then it banished me to the start

[lavish jacinth]

well, evidently you must've shifted the teleporter, because loops don't just happen randomly

if the teleporter is aligned to the moon (which it is by default) you will go to mithrix

if it's aligned to the planet or you go through a portal, you'll loop

[slow cloak]

What’s a void portal

[slow cloak]

Idk how to shift 😭

[lavish jacinth]

takes you to void locus, they randomly appear from stage 7 onwards

[lavish jacinth]

you just interact with the prong things around the edge of the teleporter

[slow cloak]

Is it worth it to take?

[lavish jacinth]

lolno

it lets you fight voidling, but if you've already got void fiend unlocked then there's no reason to do that

and voidling is a pretty sucky boss

[quiet mango]

in regards to this, would Artifact of Dissonance work to spawn them?

[lavish jacinth]

they don't spawn at all with dissonance

[steady stone]

Stage 6 titanic plains is your best bet

[quiet mango]

bugger

ok, thank you

[quasi crystal]

Can they spawn in simulacrum

[glacial knoll]

yeah I guess rerolling Kin in Simu would work

it's like a 1/32 chance but if you really hate doing it the normal way that much

[flint galleon]

defo doing it that way

[quasi crystal]

Use Wolfos mod instead ez

[quiet mango]

hokay: how many crowbars can equal a delicate watch?

[slim spoke]

just dont and take both

[quiet mango]

i ask as i want to grab a dio's, and if i die, there goes the watches

[slim spoke]

uhm are you even playing a burst damage character

like true burst not those commando ish playstyles

[quiet mango]

bandit

[slim spoke]

blast or burst

[quiet mango]

single shot

[slim spoke]

2

also quit watches anyway
bleed (or atg) goes better when you cant oneshot

[quasi crystal]

Delicate watchs boost is weaker than a crowbars

[quiet mango]

i can, but not if im going for bandit B&E

[slim spoke]

laser scope?

[quiet mango]

100% increase is good

but i cant rely on them alone

[steady stone]

That's kill boss with lights out right? I think that has a 1 second grace period, id have to check.

[quiet mango]

yep

mithrix

[steady stone]

There's a "short window of leniency" but unsure how long

But also use swarms for 2 mithrix and 2 chance for best odds

[quiet mango]

yep

thats what im doing

[quasi crystal]

I don't think there is I think the leniency is stuff like behemoth and runalds

[flint prawn]

Merc=attack speed imo but I play Eviscerate

If you have a damage alternative a la crit you can go for it, if you're building in Command honestly just go crazy. My two cents

[peak jacinth]

expose transfer is going to scale much better and much faster than getting more attack speed to proc it more. Mainly because it makes all of your skills significantly stronger rather than your m1 slightly stronger. I’d steer clear of attack speed

[brazen sluice]

TIL: SOTS made stuns stack. so that explains why i frequently see enemies just standing still like a dumbass for long periods of time. i probably hit them a bunch of times with . this kinda makes a lot more powerful than it used to be. like, it was always good before on high procs/sec characters as you could straight up lock down things like elder lemurians, but being able to just shut things down for long periods of time like that feels exceptionally broken. also shoutout to mando's supressive fire which gives a stun on every bullet

[peak jacinth]

yea this has been known for a while

[brazen sluice]

yea i just now learned about it lol

i thought they just broke something with the ai tbh

[peak jacinth]

afaik we still don’t know if it’s a bug or an actual feature

really stupid feature if it is one tho lol

[spring spoke]

plasma or fire bolt?

[lavish jacinth]

Up to preference, but existing kinda makes fire bolt better by default

[spring spoke]

Is there a way to make the fire bolt AOE bigger?

[daring cloak]

No

[spring spoke]

Darn

Still can't believe I didn't know nano bombs could be charged

[daring cloak]

Reading descriptions is important in this game

[bold reef]

Maybe for stinky losers

[bold reef]

Also death mark too is made better by fire bolt

[cedar pine]

is there any indicator that death mark is being procced

[lavish jacinth]

There's a huge black skull effect that appears over them, damage numbers on that enemy turn black, and it has an icon on their healthbar

So it's pretty hard to miss lol

[cedar pine]

guess i have actually never triggered it 💀

[vapid swan]

Kinda early, but does anyone know what the bolstering lanterns do? The new description is absolutely terrible

[steady stone]

I don't know the exact stats, but

There's now a grey AoE around you, like FCrystal
Every enemy or ally in that AoE will boost your attack speed (each one gives you a "stack" of the lantern effect)

[wheat elm]

Why can items from shrines, printers, and scrappers still be able to just fall off the edge of the map? You would think they would have solved that problem already

Maybe if they fall off the map they respawn on the edge it fell off of?

[peak jacinth]

because it’s never been considered a problem iirc

[wheat elm]

Personally i dont like losing an item cause it randomly spawned near the edge

[cursive compass]

yeah hopoo acknowledged it but they thought it was funny

so it stayed

[peak jacinth]

tbf just don’t buy the item

[steady stone]

yeah i believe that was what suncles said
same with voidtouched allies

[peak jacinth]

it is funny

[steady stone]

bring back voidtouched drones 😔

[peak jacinth]

DO NOT

[cursive compass]

don't 😭

Voidtouched goobo is bad enough

[peak jacinth]

that was funny but it sucked so bad 😭

[lavish jacinth]

It was cool thematically but sucked to play against

[vapid swan]

I assume runic lens is meant to be an item for high damage chars like railgunner, but is there any actual reason to take it over bands?

Runic deals 1.5x + 2000%
Ice band deals 2.5x
Fire band deals 3x

On railgunner either band is just objectively better. I guess the runic lens can hit more often, but… eh

[lavish jacinth]

It's an extra proc with high damage

And no cooldown

It's basically like a band that can be used in proc chains

[cursive compass]

Thats a bit of an odd question, since there isn't any situation outside of a shipping request form or gold thingie where you would choose between them

[lavish jacinth]

Also that

[vapid swan]

I mean yea, just interesting to me when I’d prefer a green over a red when both are focused on the same thing

I don’t really see it as bad, just was expecting it to be more of a heavy hitter.

I guess if it can proc bands and you’ve got really good timing with a blast shield it could be nuts lol

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it also doesn't have to exclusively be an alternative to bands, it's kinda just its own thing

[full apex]

I have a sheet for runic

[lavish jacinth]

I'd imagine it performs best with medium-damage attacks like scrap launcher

[full apex]

Im not at my pc but i do need to get up, if you want it i will go get it lol.

[lavish jacinth]

Well, they changed how it works a bit so the old sheet wouldn't really apply

[full apex]

Fuk

Right

What did they change?

Did they write total damage this time

[lavish jacinth]

Full patch notes are in announcements

[full apex]

Interesting
Much more concise

I haven't read the notes yet because not at pc. Guess i should do that first!

[vapid swan]

It’s effectively 1.5x damage

[lavish jacinth]

It's a bit more than just that lol

[full apex]

It looks the same, besides the chance being 3+3 instead of 5+1 right?

[vapid swan]

+2000% but prefer relative damage

Damn I really do have railgunner brain rot

[lavish jacinth]

It also doesn't say if the +150% is a multiplier or if it's base damage added to the 2000%.
Bc the old runic lens added base damage

[full apex]

Man that new chance scaling is fucked right? 500% would be 18% already...

[vapid swan]

I hit newt for 16k with crit and meteor hit for 19k

Don’t wanna do the math for the crit stuff but i think that’s 1.5ish

[lavish jacinth]

And again, this has the advantage of no cooldown and a 1.0 proc coefficient (iirc) so it's not just a worse band

[vapid swan]

Guess I can go properly test, as that would be nice to know

[full apex]

I wonder if they patched effective ICD or if it functionally behaves the same.

[lavish jacinth]

Oh yeah, it did have that pseudo-cooldown where only one meteor can exist a time

[vapid swan]

I wasn’t really ever trying to say it was bad tbh, was just performing less than I expected and wanted to see if anyone caught something I missed.

[lavish jacinth]

But iirc it also wasn't proc masked, I don't think the patch notes mentioned fixing that

[full apex]

It was good because it went off easy, had big aoe, and a 50% proc coefficient

Since it reset the mask, an atg could activate it, and it could activate an even bigger atg in a big aoe. And then the ramped atg could proc meteor again

[lavish jacinth]

Well, performing worse than expected on railgunner doesn't mean it'll have worse performance overall. Being able to proc more often and fit into proc chain builds makes up for slightly lower immediate damage than bands imo.

Overall it sounds like it's still really good

[full apex]

But the vfx on it sucked bad so it was really hard to tell when it did anything

The old version was strongest on low damage, where the 2k base was very impactful, and big hits, where the total damage and high chance were impactful

If its just a chance change I should be able to update the sheet, but retesting the damage and confirming the presence/level of hard caps would be important

Fast

[spring spoke]

I like smashing my head against the wall, until it's a bloody pulp, before reading descriptions....
Unless it's for arsonists, I still have no clue how to play him, even after reading everything

[lavish jacinth]

I love it when peoples idea of "trolling" is "say a slur in order to mildly inconvenience the server mods for 1 second"

[lavish jacinth]

Ror2 modders love to make characters as complicated as possible for some reason

[steady swallow]

is the new warped echo good for e8 now?

[glacial knoll]

no longer stacks curse multiple times

[cursive compass]

Thank fuck

[quasi crystal]

does it reduce curse; should be obvious but the game is no stranger to weird interactions

[cursive compass]

Pretty sure it just acts as normal with curse

Before it would apply two instances of 100% curse, despite the 2 hits being 50% damage each

[severe tundra]

does proc coefficient matter if one has a 100% proc chance such as with 10 daggers

[lavish jacinth]

yes

with 100% chance and 0.5 coeff you'd only have 50% chance. And debuff duration is also affected by proc coeff

[full apex]

coeff comes after chance calc

i need to confirm new runic lens, but in the past coeff came after its hard chance cap of 50%. so like railgunners special could get to 150% with its 300% coeff

but also for durations or decreases like leeching seed/scythe healing you cant change the effect. like stacking predatory wont make the buff duration increase

or like bleeds even at or over 100% after being adjusted for chance will still have lower duration

[quasi crystal]

Predatory is affected by coefficient? Til

[full apex]

yes, the duration of the buff

[quasi crystal]

Yeah that's weird lol

[brazen sluice]

damnit, accidentally pressed enter before i was done ><

[full apex]

part of why im kinda ehhh about it haha

the speed buff its thaaat much higher than syring, you gotta work for it, and it weakens on low coeff which lotta quick attackers that like it have...

like stacking increases the cap but duration without reset makes it slightly harder to hit the cap

[full apex]

whenever im typing long stuff i always type it in like notepad and copy paste LOL

[cursive compass]

wait, are you sure?

I've never heard of pred insticts being affected by proc co

[full apex]

yea pretty sure

iirc shattering too

[cursive compass]

I'm unsure, since crits aren't affected in any way

Idk about spleen bleed either, now that I think about it

[full apex]

spleen bleed is affected

[cursive compass]

thats... weird

[full apex]

crit effects are no different from regular procs usually, just with their conditional. effectively they offload their proc chance to your crit

so it makes sense

[cursive compass]

I'm mainly surprised a buff is affected, I thought it was just effects applied to the enemies

good to know though

[cursive compass]

which debuff is pulverised?

[full apex]

pulverize debuff too. just the buildup tho luckily, because the other effect is not technically onhit i guess?.. its triggered by the buff count being high enough

[cursive compass]

shustice?

That makes sense

Afaik scorpion is also affected lol

which makes its description a slight bit misleading

[full apex]

100% chance base yes

essence as well

i believe is base 100% chance affected by coeff

[cursive compass]

Ah hopoo, confusing as always

[full apex]

duration is always 10s tho

so not double affected like bleed

[severe shard]

i cant pick up a wungus i just got from a void cradle, is that a bug or am i missing something

[cursive compass]

Thats... inconsistent 😭

Thanks hopoo

[full apex]

yea. its somewhat consistent normally but there are some exceptions

[severe shard]

nvm i just cant pickup items now

[full apex]

and they are in nice places like losing essence stacks would be very annoying and its best on fast chars so not being double hit there is nice

[cursive compass]

Screenshot?

[severe shard]

item on the ground, pressing e does nothing

not much a screenshot could show

[cursive compass]

Lunar item opness once again

[cursive compass]

itll show context

which is important for diagnosing an issue

[lavish jacinth]

any mods running?

[severe shard]

just started, picked up mocha from that multishop, opened cradle and couldnt pick wungus up, opened other multishop and couldnt pick up expansion

[severe shard]

oh duh

excuse me lmfao

[cursive compass]

ahhhh lol

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that seems like it may be a mod bug

[severe shard]

def

[cursive compass]

I was gonna say, you also seem to have expansion stacks despite not having picked it up

[severe shard]

ctually

yeah i was just gonnaa say that

every time i try to pick it up it seems to give me one without removing it from the ground or displaying it in my inventory

after i kill one enemy im one shotting everything else

[brazen sluice]

havent played yet, but my initial thoughts on the update purely off the announcement they made:

• antlers: nice effect, should be fun chasing the orbs, i like the animation for picking them up
• fin: could be fun juggling enemies, this is now the first green "+20% dmg in these scenarios" item, still not entirely sure how i feel about the knockup still being there as sometimes it can be a hinderance (eg. playing a melee character that struggles with airborn enemies)
• warbonds: much better now, offers some difficulty relief during teleporters for slower players or if you took longer than usual to finish a stage, synergizes well with gold generators
• thorn: i hope the bleed was changed to be a tritip bleed instead of that weird thorn-exclusive bleed it was be fore, but even if its not, the debuff jumping effect is gona be fun, especially when dealing with high bleed/gasoline builds. would probably pair well with . i also realy love the animation they gave for the jumps
• transmitter: not sure how useful this will be. does not help much against hitscans or shotgun attacks like elder lemurian fireballs. might actually get annoying playing "chase the enemy down"
• whispers: i thought it was always 4% past the first nerf. did they nerf it further?
• nectar: yay no more janky uptime! now its just a constant effect. much better
• boomerang: just an exploit fixed. not much else to say
• lense+beeds+expansion+doll: much needed better visuals. i wonder if beeds can still show up in cauldrons....
• luminous shot: not sure if this change is enough tbh. we'll have to see how much extra dmg it has. also id prefer a constant 10% CDR mainly because sometimes you get into a rhythm with your abilities
• solitude: i like keeping stacks through stages
• echo: meh...
• seed: not much changed
• lantern: jesus christ probably the best change in the patch. up to 40% increased attack speed from one stack. this item gona be nuts

[severe shard]

xd

[brazen sluice]

also the new elite mechanics could be fun to play around

[quasi crystal]

twisted being dodgable is amazing

[brazen sluice]

not sure i understand where that gold nugget spawned at though for halcyonites. in the video it seemed to appear in some random location

[daring cloak]

It gets flung out as a small golden orb with a trail

[compact salmon]

Is Disturbed Impact radar scanner still bugged?

[daring cloak]

Sadly yes

[severe shard]

infinite fin is very fun

you just make enemies fly

[quasi crystal]

im guessing none of the bugs were fixed that werent directly noted

[lavish jacinth]

*finfinite

[quasi crystal]

im pretty sure prayer beads still doesnt check stacks correctly

[daring cloak]

Ye they did not bother fixing much

[quasi crystal]

shout out to this being the first update that was released on all platforms at the same time
finally making use of that unified code 😄

[full apex]

huh i... expected it to be fixed in the item patch...

[quasi crystal]

I am not a dev so I have no idea what their process is so no idea if this is some insanely hard fix

[compact salmon]

I wonder if you can get it if there is a player in the lobby who doesn't have the titanic plains logbook :D I read on reddit that both stages uses the same spawn pools

[daring cloak]

Yes getting a player without the titanic log to play with you is the only way to obtain the impact log currently

[full apex]

it really really really isnt

prayer beads is basically trivial to fix

and reworking the code to just be simpler and better would be really easy too despite how much space and how many cycles it would save lol

they already have how many stacks were removed, but instead of passing it to the stat calc method they just recalc based on inv in the stat calc method. all they need to do is add a field to the call and replace the inv check with that argument

[quasi crystal]

if i knew anything about coding I'd probably agree with you and say wow this is simple

[severe shard]

idk exactly how it works but doesnt sound particularly complicated

[full apex]

this is the stat calc method

it passes only the level stat (which is why a separate method is a bit silly in the first place)

then it uses inventory. they would just pass both the level stat and how many were removed, and replace the inventory thing with that

i know im code dumping and you might not care... but this is where it is in recalc stats.

num53 is stack count of beads. so if you get more beads the top increases to how many you have. if its not higher that doesnt happen

then instead, if its lower (you got rid of some) it has that "extraStatsOnLevelUpCountModifier -= num53;"

so what that means simply is that "extraStatsOnLevelUpCountModifier" is how many beads were removed. then they immediately call the stat calc thing i sent earlier.

so instead of
prayerBeadCalculateAppliedStats(this.levelMaxHealth)

it would be
prayerBeadCalculateAppliedStats(this.levelMaxHealth,extraStatsOnLevelUpCountModifier)

just copy paste that variable.

it would take like 10s unironically
copy paste 4x in recalc, type a variable and copy paste once in the method

[quasi crystal]

Well for me at least it's not a lack of care it's a lack of any literacy for programming

[full apex]

fair fair

thats why i wasnt sure if you cared to see the code at all since i explained a lil bit

[quasi crystal]

I think I get it that's pretty simple

[clear karma]

can you access stages like treeborn colony even if you arent on the green portal path?

[daring cloak]

No

[full apex]

i think you can via seers in the bazaar, or via gilded coast

not after fighting FS tho?

[clear karma]

what about the alt stage 5

[full apex]

i dont rember

[daring cloak]

Though that also directly puts you on the path

[daring cloak]

Helminth is not part of the alt path

[clear karma]

gotcha

[full apex]

theres no alt 5, meridian is 4, but i think you can get there

[daring cloak]

The alt path is just stage 2 altar, stage 3 treeborn/dieback and stage 4 prime meridian

[clear karma]

cool so you can spawn into shattered abodes? i just feel really unlucky because i've literally never spawned there

[daring cloak]

Yes

[full apex]

yea

[clear karma]

gotcha

thanks

[full apex]

its not super common since they made the stage weights no longer adjusted
so like plains and the alt plains both have a full weight of 1 instead of 0.5, so you are twice as likely to get some variant of plains as youd expect

[clear karma]

bleh

thats quite strange

[quasi crystal]

I'm pretty sure you can dream for Colossus stages after defeating fs

Is there a way to spawn cauldrons and seers with Dev toolkit

[rancid jewel]

i cant skip and when the cutscene is over nothing happens, the mouse also doesnt show

i should probably put this in bugs but its modded so i'll try vanilla

[full apex]

Check list_interactables

I dont rember if they are baked into stages haha

[rancid jewel]

it works vanilla, what mod is doing this?

[full apex]

A lot of mods are probably broken

[lavish jacinth]

It could be any of them, I don't think any mods have been updated yet

[full apex]

Like they changed a projectile method signature, so any mod that fires a projectile is broken until updated.

[rancid jewel]

im gonnna have to play vanilllaa😩

[daring cloak]

Or downpatch

[rancid jewel]

im too lazy

i know its easy i just dont feel like it

[maiden furnace]

Luminous shot does give a constant 10% secondary cooldown reduction. Thats not dependent on having luminous stacks

[daring cloak]

20%

Its pretty nice on the first stack but doesnt really stack all that well

[quasi crystal]

Stacks better than ror1 red whip

[spring spoke]

whats an "FTM" build?

[bold reef]

Wtf has happened to the Mithrix fight?????

Why are there no portals to leave the boss arena??

Bro don't tell me I'm about to lose an eclipse run to this...

[daring cloak]

Clip this rn

[bold reef]

OK the portals are still there but they're soooooo far out and so high up

They're supposed to be in the same places everytime but they're missing

I'll send a clip in a bit

I actually just lost a run to this

[lavish jacinth]

uhhhh you mean FMP?

[spring spoke]

im stupid

and also very sick

[lavish jacinth]

lol

[rancid jewel]

What level of eclipse

[haughty tapir]

how was luminous shot changed?

[lavish jacinth]

patch notes are in announcements btw

[clear karma]

what are the conditions for halcyon shrines to spawn? like which stages can they spawn on. is it only stage 1?

[frank sluice]

they seem to have a disproportionately higher chance to spawn on stage 1, but they can indeed spawn on any stage

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think it's any stage, but all of the stage 1 maps have them

wiki lists these ones

[clear karma]

i heard once that they are guaranteed to spawn on stage 1 but that definitely doesnt seem to be true

that or i'm blind

[frank sluice]

they are very likely to spawn on stage 1

[lavish jacinth]

they're definitely not guaranteed but they're much more common

[frank sluice]

by that i mean about 50% of the time (personal anecdote)

[lavish jacinth]

and you get a message in chat when you enter a stage that has one, "you hear thunder rumbling" or something like that

[frank sluice]

always check chat (press Enter) at the beginning of stage 1 to see if Halcyon Shrine spawned

[clear karma]

didnt know that, thanks. i just spent forever running around to see if i missed it

multiple can spawn in the same run, right? they just start putting yellow portals if you've already entered a green portal iirc

[frank sluice]

that is true, yes

unless they changed how it works with this update but that is how it has worked

[clear karma]

and the green portal path only appears once so if you leave it you can't re-enter the path, right?

[frank sluice]

green portal only disappears from the game when you beat FS
otherwise, you can still enter from Gilded Coast Green Portal or Lunar Seers

iirc Path of the Colossus stages also disappear from Lunar Seers once you beat FS so there is actually no way to reenter the path

[clear karma]

so you just can't re-enter through halcyon shrines. got it.

well, you can if you go to gilded coast first but yeah

ty

[fallen rain]

Does new warbond work with ICBM?

[frank sluice]

they're not missiles in the way that ICBM defines missiles, they're more Captain's Utility missiles

not intercontinental, but orbital kekw

[fallen rain]

TRAGEDY

[frank sluice]

they do have proc coeffs though, and they work on every boss

[wide parrot]

just gain gold

[frank sluice]

yes, that means Mithrix

S tier item now

[coarse fox]

How high is the proc coeff?

[frank sluice]

i'm not good enough to datamine so I hope someone better will come along and answer your question

[clear karma]

war bonds feel ridiculously powerful lmao

just shredded AWU

[lavish jacinth]

you wouldn't need to datamine, just get debugtoolkit and give yourself 100 leeching seeds

[quasi crystal]

Devotion and warbonds

That raises the question is warbonds a collective item like lepton and shipping request

[frank sluice]

if you mean whether they scale with more stacks, they do, but one stack is powerful enough already since it also scales with how much gold you have

[lavish jacinth]

they meant whether the effect is added up across all players

[quasi crystal]

Every players warbonds triggering separately is insanely broken

[lavish jacinth]

like, 3 players having 1 lepton is the same as 1 player having 3, because it adds up the total amount across everyone. Same with halcyon seed

[frank sluice]

I think the effect of that would be so minor that it's hard to test, owing to how much damage it does already? But someone could certainly test that out with debug toolkit

[wicked epoch]

I liked the idea of the old Warped Echo, but the new one seems interesting

[lavish jacinth]

new WE is pretty much the same concept but done way better

[quasi crystal]

I think it should have stayed at 2 personally but I'm glad it does something by itself now

[wicked epoch]

So I remember thinking old Echo doubled the effect of and but apparently that was never true, even if it was intended to be

[quasi crystal]

It was true though

[wicked epoch]

Some coding oversight stopped it working as intended or whatever

[lavish jacinth]

it was never supposed to do that

[wicked epoch]

Does new Echo work that way?

[lavish jacinth]

it works the same way, it takes the final amount of damage after armor and RAP, then spreads it out over time. Not sure when it applies its 30% reduction though

[wicked epoch]

So the RAP reduction still doesn't get applied per instance of spread damage?

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think so, no

the advantage is (and technically was) that taking damage over time allows you to counteract the damage with healing

the tick damage also doesn't prevent out-of-danger effects from reactivating, so with enough stacks the damage will be spread out enough that shields and slug will kick in while the WE damage is still ticking, which can pretty much negate the rest of the damage

[wicked epoch]

Okay, that's pretty neat

So the cooldown is based on stacks now. How many stacks do you need for it to get down to, say, 10 seconds? 5? 2?

[lavish jacinth]

dunno off the top of my head, I haven't had much time to test stuff thoroughly

[forest linden]

I'm being told that loader's alt grapple doesnt scale her damage with speed like the base one. Is this true?

[lavish jacinth]

well technically neither grapple does, because that effect is on her utility

but no, the alt grapple doesn't affect the damage bonus on either of her charged punches, it's just based on her velocity

[severe shard]

playing w/ some friends and trying to use vase to get one up to mithrix arena, but it keeps just stopping in the air at the point right after i use it

bug or what?