ror2-game-questions

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, phase round is usable but you need to be good at kiting, which new players won't be good at

And suppressive fire is basically just a stun lol

[frank karma]

just switched to a new pc, what do i gotta do to get rid of the blur, files or mod?

[lavish jacinth]

Motion blur? It's just a setting, isn't it?

[frank karma]

no a general blur

[lavish jacinth]

Uhhhh

[frank karma]

it happened when sots dropped cant remember how i fixed it

[lavish jacinth]

There shouldn't be one

Is the game running in the right resolution?

[frank karma]

yeah all in game settings are fine

[lavish jacinth]

That's really weird

[frank karma]

i remember now it was the anti aliasing

got the mod fixing it all good now

[lavish jacinth]

I haven't even heard of that being an issue, huh

[frank karma]

either not many people had it or they just didnt notice

[lavish jacinth]

Knowing sots it was probably something that only affects some people for whatever reason

[remote stump]

Does disabling sots in menu stop most of the bugs

Like items not spawning in the void fields and stuff like that

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure most of the bugs were part of the basegame update, so turning it off won't fix them

[remote stump]

Oooft

That actually hurts my heart a little

[sonic flame]

what’s the easiest way to unlock void fiend with simulacrum solo

[lavish jacinth]

engineer

and ofc drizzle/command/sacrifice

maybe swarms but it could end up being a death sentence if you get a wave of void enemies

having the entire arena full of instakill death implosions is spooky even without swarms

[boreal plinth]

how do i used the void key thing?

[lavish jacinth]

same as rusted key, there'll be a cache on the next stage(s) that you need to find and open

it looks like this

[boreal plinth]

ah i see tysm

[lavish jacinth]

if you don't find it, it'll keep spawning on future stages as long as you have at least 1 key left

[boreal plinth]

alr ty

[dusky raven]

Ooh it’s my turn

<@&559786374228738069> get him

[forest depot]

jasonboyles002 was banned.

[sleek token]

Hey, i have a question. For false son, what would be a better item?
Atg or plimp?

[left tapir]

idk dont play fs much

[bold reef]

Is there like a new elite type? I literally just died to nothing while hitting some enemies

[analog brook]

The woke police will get me for this but the anwser is plimp

[analog brook]

Yeah, twisted enemies, if you damage another enemy in their aura you take damage of 2.5%of your hp per hit they take

[sleek token]

Even if i found a clover 5 minjtes after asking???

[bold reef]

So like if I gave a bunch of AOE will I just die to this?? This seems like super unfun I can't lie

[sleek token]

Sadly

Yes

[daring cloak]

Thats because it is and a full rework for the elite is in the works

Though currently you can basically nullify the effects with a few repulsion armor plates or a transcendence

[bold reef]

OK thank god bc wtf is this why am I being punished for something completely out of my control that's just so dumb

[bold reef]

Good to know but I'm trying to limit my usage of lunars, I feel like they're too op lol I want to improve without them

[wide parrot]

Most lunars aren’t that good tbh

[bold reef]

But some are and can be pretty gamebreaking in Eclipse for example

Like transcendence pretty much takes away half the eclipse modifiers

And shape glass is pretty crazy too

Gesture and tonic are pretty damn broken too

[sleek token]

Pauldron on FS is really nice too

It's kinda difficult to use tho

[hoary sedge]

brittle crown is also really good

and (sometimes) the heresy items

[candid imp]

Why did someone get banned lol

[analog brook]

Scammer

[candid imp]

Oh ok

[spring spoke]

holy hell, so many procs

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

is there a way to turn off the FOV change for the frost relic?

[quasi crystal]

I think there's a mod

[frigid elm]

when I played him through eclipse, it doesn't matter which one I picked. Either works really well.

I think ATG's normally over all though

[sleek token]

ATG was better imo

Because 5 minutes after asking i killed AWU. And i got a clover lol

[frigid elm]

Yes

i think the atg is better now that i think back, his laser basically makes it a shrimp anyway

[lavish jacinth]

AtG's always better if you have clover

but otherwise it depends on whether you use the charged primary or the laser more

atg is better with the 3.0 proc on the charged slam, shrimp is better with the laser

[minor jungle]

atg probably but both good

I had situation where atg + sticky bomb ramped up so high that I killed Mithrix with one punch as false son

[daring cloak]

Personally I would have to say plimp

Plimp with that laser is overall one of if not the strongest bleed proccer in a relatively short amount of time

[minor jungle]

thats true, plimp is awesome for bleed build especially with and good crit chance

[analog brook]

Think about it this way... That clover is gonna do wonders for the procs the plasma shrimp can do...

[spring spoke]

bruh.

i should've picked up comando sooner

[quiet mango]

how do i best get the The Demons and the Crabs achievement without using rex?

[brazen sluice]

false son lazer is fun on stage 4 mithrix 🙂

he just vomits up your items

[spring spoke]

burst vs blast?

[lavish jacinth]

Crabs naturally run away from you, so you can just chase them. Or use railgunner's mines or

[lavish jacinth]

Depends on your playstyle and preference

The shotgun naturally does a ton of raw dps up close but the range is really limited.
The rifle has unlimited range, no falloff and slightly better proc potential at the cost of dps and needing to manage the recoil

[quiet mango]

thanks

[quiet mango]

soooo for Bandit B&E, does the boss HAVE to be Mithix, or could it be the void boss or the false son?

[livid wedge]

Mithrix

[spring spoke]

Didn't know the rifle had recoil. Noted

[quiet mango]

is it big hammer man, or can it be any?

i want to make sure i dont mess this up

[livid wedge]

It has to be mithrix

[quiet mango]

bummer

alright. thank you

[quasi crystal]

is this unlock from a mod

[wide parrot]

yes

[acoustic acorn]

I wish eclipsed would give you anything more than a badge stashed away in a "secret" menu

[bold reef]

I'm ngl I disagree with AFaxMachine, I think burst is always better than blast. For dealing with enemies at range lights out, desperado and your burst will be more than adequate. Going with burst is too big of a trade off its a much worse ability overall in my eyes.

[bold reef]

The Wiki says voidling can also be done for this achievement apparently

[quiet mango]

Thank you for the info

[quiet mango]

Do you have a link to back the information up?

[bold reef]

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Bandit:_B%26E?so=search

I personally did Mithrix tho for this challenge so I havent actually tested it but this is what the Wiki says

[quiet mango]

Ok, thank you for that. I just wanted to make sure that the info could be backed up.

[analog brook]

@bold reef The Fandom page for that is wrong and you cannot get B&E with it

I specifically remember this being brung up and Wolfo having to correct it on wiki.gg

[bold reef]

Ohhhh okok

Is there a better website for info, I've heard the wiki can be unreliable

[analog brook]

The Fandom info is... Aight... it just usually has random people adding wrong stuff in it, the actual website is pretty terrible though.
https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/ is the official wiki which has better preformance and non intrusive and hostile adds but it is upkept by a different and smaller group of people, sots content on there is not extremely extensively covered there

[quiet mango]

I see

[bold reef]

Sorry about that I wasn't overly sure if it was true or not

[quiet mango]

That's ok

That's why I asked on here

[bold reef]

Nice thank you

[quiet mango]

question on Lysate Cell, on the survivor's attack bar (m1, m2, shift, r and q), which does it affect?

[slim spoke]

r

[quiet mango]

ok now to figure out what that is on bandit with the rebound keys...

thankyou

that would be the lights out attack right?

[bold reef]

Yes or desperado depending on which one you pick

Lysate cell works on your special

[quiet mango]

thats the one im aiming to unlock

[bold reef]

Yeah I think I must've gone on drizzle or something to try and get it

Just be careful of effects like bands and bleeds bc they can steal the mithrix kill

[quiet mango]

wheres the fun and the challenge with that?

[bold reef]

As far as I'm aware lights out itself needs to be the one killing him

[bold reef]

Lmao good luck

[quiet mango]

thats why im going to use the cell

[bold reef]

Yeah I only just learned that a lysate cell can give engineer a 3rd turret

Wtf that's got to be so so so damn op

[quiet mango]

busted to heck and back

[slim spoke]

it can only do so much

[quasi crystal]

Lysate works better on desperado than lights out

[slim spoke]

light's out is in the special skill slot btw

[quiet mango]

yep

[bold reef]

I dunno engis turrets are like a huge portion of his dmg, also since his turrets share his items you're effectively making your items even better bc another turrets gets them also

One tri tip for example gets shared among 4 entities instead of 3 now

[slim spoke]

nonono
what i meant is that you can only get 3 turrets max

[bold reef]

That sounds op to me

[bold reef]

Ohhh I see yeah I know that but still even just one extra turret is pretty crazy

[quasi crystal]

Engies missiles do a nice chunk of damage too

[bold reef]

Like one or even 2 fuel cells vs 1 lysate cell

I'll take the lysate cell any day

[quasi crystal]

Well without the extra turret lysate would be worthless on engineer

Not as useless as viend or mul t but still bad

[bold reef]

Yeah his harpoons and spider mines are pretty good but the turrets are the star of the show

[slim spoke]

turrets are so goddamn overpowered

[bold reef]

I wouldn't say its bad at all, an extra turret is amazing especially on non looped runs where the alternative is like 1 or 2 fuel cells

It's no contest

[quasi crystal]

I said without the extra turret

[bold reef]

Ohh sorry I can't read

[quasi crystal]

As in all it did was lower turret CD and add a reserve per stack
It's fine lol

[slim spoke]

lmao windows xp cant run reddit, even with a modern compatible browser

[bold reef]

Yeah that would be so ass lmao

[slim spoke]

welll
it fully loaded right after i finished my sentence
surprised how the table has turned

[bold reef]

I neeeeeed to try this out now

This is crazy

[bold reef]

Lmao why are you using Windows xp!?!?!?!?

Hold on I'll give you 75 business days for my message to load and another 38 for your response to come thru...

[slim spoke]

except its instant

and somehow i aint getting a single malware

[bold reef]

Except when it isn't!?!?

I shouldn't talk shit tho my laptop is like 10 years old and Hanging on by a thread

[steady stone]

Windows XP doesn't magically make your computer slower, as long as the computer itself is alright

[slim spoke]

well the only website being slower than snails is reddit
every other thing works just fine

[bold reef]

The entire top corner is cracked off and I can see some wires coming out of it

It's still powering thru tho

[final jackal]

im new how do i get a timed chest

[tiny maple]

i straight to beat tp boss then go to artifact tp and i cant loop, is that because i didnt shift the tp ?

[slim spoke]

you need to get to rallypoint delta within 10 minutes
you HAVE to speedrun this because the chest is locked forever after 10 minutes passes ingame

[analog brook]

If you start the primordial teleporter you can't adjust it anymore
However, you'll always loop if you use the artifact portal

[final jackal]

does it count when you start the run or does it have to else where

[slim spoke]

when you start, yes

[tiny maple]

for many times completed the artifact event, the portal didnt exist

[analog brook]

Means you're getting the code wrong

[slim spoke]

bro got the most common error of the update

[tiny maple]

no, i have achivement tho

[analog brook]

Oh unless you mean the portal OUT of the artifact stage isn't appearing
Current glitch it shouldn't be like this

[tiny maple]

yes

is that because i didnt shift the primordial tp first?

[slim spoke]

nah its been like that since sots
you WILL ALWAYS have a way out of a biome

whether is actually finishing the run or advancing

[analog brook]

It shouldn't be happening. They'll fix it soon hopefully

[steady stone]

Also avoid A Moment, Whole, for now.

[analog brook]

What's wrong with a moment whole?

[steady stone]

multiple #1172187541349347429s of it simply not fading out

[dusky raven]

I mean you got the coins and run was gonna end anyways

[analog brook]

Weren't all of those from ?

[dusky raven]

Doesn’t seem like the end of the world

[dusky raven]

Wait why are you Mario now

[steady stone]

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1307575128166498375

i've mostly heard from chats and not reports, but this one with video doesn't have void allies

[analog brook]

Uhm. Don't worry about it, I took care of them.

No need to be Mario anymore

[steady stone]

nintendo got him 😔

[wild bloom]

Guys, unlocking hunter's second R is difficult for solo player?

im trying it pretty long time but i cant unlock it

it is too difficult to no hit clear

[bold reef]

You don't ACTUALLY need to 0 hit to unlock the ability the only condition is that your hp doesn't go below 100%

So stuff like safer spaces, and especially barrier will stop your hp from being touched

I'd recommend highly trying this with artifact of command and stack a bunch of topaz brooches

Bc topaz Brooch will give you barrier if you keep killing enemies which counts as above 100% hp

So if you get hit as long as the hit doesn't destroy your barrier and go into your hp it will still count

[wild bloom]

oh

[daring cloak]

Its also a good idea to buy damaging drones as they will take some of the enemy attention away from you

[bold reef]

Agreed every little helps

[wild bloom]

thank you guys

[bold reef]

No problem I hope it helps, huntress' alt R is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better so good luck

[wild bloom]

thank you😄

[tiny maple]

grab to lunar item which one transfer all your health to shield and play in drizzle, thats a tip

so good if u have command artifiact

[wild bloom]

wow

i didnt think that

thank you so much

[tiny maple]

glad to help u

[bold reef]

I don't think that works

I'm pretty sure transcendence will not work

I don't think shields work it's only barrier that will help it seems

@wild bloom

[tiny maple]

hmm, i remember that i won by that way, if i wrong it still worth to try

[bold reef]

Maybe you just actually didn't get hit

You're cracked man

[peak jacinth]

just to confirm, shields count as %hp in this case, so yea doesn’t work with shield

[quasi crystal]

Barrier doesn't

[tiny maple]

but u really play chef???

[steady stone]

If i use artifact of Rebirth, can I use it again and again to keep spawning with the item, or is it consumed and I have to offer a new one each use?

[steady stone]

Also, what classifies as a "health" item for Growth?

I know , probably

[spring spoke]

I can see that for proc reasons, but to be effective you gotta be close. Which I'm deathly afraid of

[steady stone]

Not really
there's falloff but the spread isn't random

[bold reef]

You don't have to be that close and honestly I find that the recoil of burst makes it deceptively bad at range

[bold reef]

And yeah blast doesn't really falloff that hard I find

[spring spoke]

Never noticed it had recoil, think that's just an actual skill issue on your end

[bold reef]

It's much better in my eyes but to each their own

[spring spoke]

Anywho, I'll keep that in mind

Agreed

[peak jacinth]

pretty sure it’s once per item, but tbh I haven’t played with it lol

[dense nacelle]

and Prayer Beads

Infusion, not Ignition

[steady stone]

ignition tank

[daring cloak]

Yes the item is expended once you start the run

[dense nacelle]

Had a skill issue

[steady stone]

that makes sense though

[daring cloak]

I personally hate it

[steady stone]

I dont wanna lose my
i only get 1 per year

[peak jacinth]

presumably both pearls would count

[daring cloak]

It makes sense but its not THAT big of a boost and would be beneficial for easier testing

[dense nacelle]

oh yeah, normal pearl does too I think

[daring cloak]

Tonic too

[dense nacelle]

didn't include tonic because it's not active all the time unless Gesture + Fuel cells

but you right

[peak jacinth]

burst has horrible falloff, it stops dealing max damage after 7m, and is reduced to 1/4 at 25m

[bold reef]

Sorry I got them mixed up

Burst is the one I like, blast players are cowards unfortunately

[peak jacinth]

I also mixed them up lol. I think burst is better overall, but it’s straight up wrong to say that burst doesn’t have bad falloff

[sonic flame]

is void fiend or false son better (mainly damage output)

[bold reef]

My point wasn't that the falloff isn't worse but that it's not that big a deal

You don't have to be that close for the falloff to not be bad

[peak jacinth]

false son probably, he’s really busted rn

[sonic flame]

does his beam do more than void fiend?

[daring cloak]

No clue but his beam is by far active for longer overall

Since viend needs to be in corrupted mode and fs has 5-10 seconds of laser uptime on a 15 second cooldown that starts ticking down the moment the laser begins

[bold reef]

It's fine bc I can't read anyway so I have no idea what the numbers are

[peak jacinth]

lmaooo

[daring cloak]

Thats less than focus crystal range lmao

[peak jacinth]

at base duration no, but it scales duration really fast so eventually yes

[sonic flame]

okay thanks

[peak jacinth]

nah I did math wrong lol, that number is not correct

[daring cloak]

thank god lmao

[peak jacinth]

i just made up numbers I have no idea how I graphed that so badly LMAO

lemme get the real numbers

[daring cloak]

That falloff woulda been crazy but hopoo has made less logical decisions before

[bold reef]

Blast propaganda....

We see thru your lies

[peak jacinth]

CORRECTION, its 1/2 at 19m. Significantly better but still bad

that’s a smaller range than arti flamethrower, which people say is bad because it has a very small range

[bold reef]

I mean that's not the only reason arti flamethrower sucks tho

It does 0 dmg and also takes 5 centuries and you can barely move while firing it

And the range isn't dogshit too

[peak jacinth]

yea I don’t think the range is bad, others do

ror2 players are really scared to go up close I find

lots of players don’t think focus crystal is one of the best whites in the game for almost every character

[bold reef]

Cowards...

[dense nacelle]

I love using Flamethrower with Focus Crystal

[daring cloak]

Only the realest ones use diablo with focus crystal

[lavish jacinth]

I'm like 10 hours late but since discord decided to open up to this message I'll defend my answer lol

Like I said, it's a playstyle choice. The rifle's biggest upsides are its ability to deal steady damage at any range, and higher proc damage. The damage you gain from softening targets at a distance can make up for the damage you lose up close. Yes, his special works at range too, but it has a cooldown to contend with.
And if you plan on looping I'd argue that the proc potential easily makes rifle a stronger choice, since procs pretty frequently make up most of your damage when looping, and you tend to be fighting at longer distances on loops anyway.

The recoil on the rifle definitely sucks but it's not that hard to manage, I find that tap-firing two shots and then reloading one is a pretty good rhythm

And for the record I'm saying this as someone who plays bandit a fair amount and uses both primaries pretty equally.
For an average non-looping run the shotgun may perform slightly better, but the difference is nowhere near as big as people like to say it is.

[full apex]

I also really like the rifle. It has longer range than special too

Firing 2 load 2 on loop is not a bad rotation and the dps isnt too terribly far off 4.

Falloff affects procs, so shotguns proc dps will be even lower from mid to long range, even if all pellets hit

[flint galleon]

Is there any downside to further stacks of transcendence?

[wide parrot]

Nope

[flint galleon]

damn!

[bold reef]

Quick question if I beat eclipse with a character does that unlock the monsoon skin or does it have to be monsoon specifically??

[lavish jacinth]

you'll get the monsoon skin, but not the survivor logbook for some reason

[cedar pine]

Any multiplayer specific tips?

[lavish jacinth]

ideally you want to have a good idea of each character's strengths and weaknesses and try to share items in a way that benefits everyone.
Like if a survivor has a good burst damage they should be taking stuff like while sharing proc-focused items like tritip.
Survivors with a good built-in heal should let teammates take healing items, Survivors with good mobility should let slower teammates take move speed, etc.

[livid wedge]

Be smart about items. More items in multiplayer means your chest may drop an item someone else could utilize better and vice versa is a big one

What faxmachine said

Also splitting up to canvas the map faster

[lavish jacinth]

that might be sorta obvious but that's really the biggest difference with multiplayer

[bold reef]

Yeah it's a great idea to plan out your picks beforehand, try to pick survivors who appreciate different items. Like maybe a band user and a bleed user for example like a Loader Commando team as an example. Then you can stop competing for items and share them more effectively

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, and it helps to know how items stack, there are a few items that are way better if they're all stacked on one person like while others like or rusted key are better if split between everyone

in other news, apparently we don't have an emote for rusted key anymore

[peak jacinth]

something that wasn’t mentioned, give yourself significantly more space to dodge to give yourself more leeway for desync if you’re not hosting. Attacks like big spinny can really catch you off guard since their animations can be very inaccurate from desync

[bleak solar]

I did a quick google to see if there was a quick answer but does the number of chests per stage scale appropriately for number of players?

Does 4 players actually equal 4 times the chests?

I’m using the term chests loosely to me like any kind of chests or pickups

[high forum]

yup

[full apex]

50% more stuff spawns per player. So at 4p its 2.5x more chests

[bleak solar]

Ty for the info!!

[burnt schooner]

Except for the Simulacrum game mode.

[full apex]

Is it a different scalar in simul?

[burnt schooner]

It's the same number of interactables no matter the number of players.
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Alternate_Game_Modes?so=search#Interactables

Though each player get a void potential at the end of each wave.

[full apex]

Funny
Probably because no timer

[burnt schooner]

The maps are smaller too.

[sonic flame]

is void fiend or false son (survivor) better?

[quasi crystal]

Define better

They're both incredibly strong, personally id say false son is easier to use while being just as insanely powerful

[hollow zenith]

not really sure if this is the right channel but i have a but of a favor to ask of yall !!
im makin a small data set for a school project, and im using ror2 stats for it lmao
if you wanna help, just dm/reply to this with survivor, run time, total points, and stages completed. must be a single player game & either commander, bandit, or huntress. ty !!

[hollow zenith]

still need more data ;o;
any data helps!! ty <3
(i dont wanna do 60 runs in 3 days....)

[dry glen]

is there any way to hide the items at the top of ur screen?

[frigid elm]

There's a mod that lets you customise ui

[final jackal]

does this game have a save mechanic ?

or am i doomed to lose it all if i quit the game

[left trellis]

not to save your runs in progress, no

there is a mod that lets you do that (on PC)

[final jackal]

dang im on console😭

[left trellis]

rip

[dry glen]

so is the uhh
focused convergence just broken?
it says it increases the tp charging speed by +33% per stack but it doesnt feel any faster at all

[quasi crystal]

I heard consoles can save mid run don't play console though

[cinder torrent]

Does MP also adjust enemy HP or just the "spawn rate"?

[bold reef]

Just put your PS into sleep mode that's all you can do basically lol

[glacial knoll]

certain objects like teleporter boss, combat shrine and simu waves multiply the hp by player count yes.

[bold reef]

I wish lil bro

[quasi crystal]

someone here who plays on console said that ram snapshots are a thing

[bold reef]

I have no idea what that means

[cinder torrent]

aye, thx!

[cedar pine]

Do i gotta unlock the void version of dios? Or is my luck just bad

[daring cloak]

Void reds are just rarer than void whites or greens

[steady stone]

Void items still have rarities, yes

[cedar pine]

Oh i know i was just wondering because i have seen the benthic bloom like 8 times now

[daring cloak]

Thats bad luck then

[cedar pine]

Alr thanks

[steady stone]

is chef alright with proc at all? how do i even build this guy?

[analog brook]

If you wanna do procs then your only actually viable option is glaze

[steady stone]

boosted dice seems to be insane rn

proccing with that seems better than what glaze would do

[analog brook]

Dice is horrid and makes bleed basically instant scrap

[analog brook]

I haven’t played with yes chef enough to say but this seems like an extremely specific situation

[steady stone]

there's so many cleavers that if you turn it into a melee weapon it just does insane numbers

[analog brook]

Also isn’t that absurdly risky to like jump into enemies like that

[steady stone]

maybe but it's the only way i can deal with anything bulky

[analog brook]

crazy that is huh

[steady stone]

5 seconds later

honestly i dont know what i would build other than aoe proc

[analog brook]

Equipment

[steady stone]

yeah crunder kinda carried me that run

it added range for when i couldnt afford to use my cleaver shotgun

i literally cant think of anything that would be good on him besides though. Rapid hits with low proc

it's like if we removed proc from mando

[steady stone]

when mithrix takes my prayer beads, do i still get the buffs?

[analog brook]

Yup

[maiden furnace]

Does he get buffed when you take them back?

He could theoretically level up while he has them

[brazen sluice]

serious question: why do people say yes chef is a bad ability? glaze is incredibly clunky and dificult to aim properly and yes chef allows you to double up on your roll AND get an ass ton of cleaver damage out at the same time

[full apex]

He can't get exp orbs like players do from kills. Just leveling up ambiently isn't enough

Otherwise though yes any time they are removed from an inventory the payout happens, so if he somehow stored buffs he should gain stacks when you steal the item back

[spring spoke]

How do I cheese trials? I need the scythe... Probably

[runic parcel]

Sadly I don't think you can

Btw the scythe is just ok but I understand the completionist mindset

[full apex]

scythe is quite good for crit synergy builds

a regular trial isnt that hard tho and should take tooo long

[steady stone]

For the merc achievement the real "cheese" is that artifact of glass realistically has no downside if you can't take damage anyway

So waiting for a simple trial with glass helps a lot
Or kin/dissonance all melee

[craggy zealot]

Whats the “primordial teleporter alligned to the moon” message?

[runic parcel]

:)

You will find out

[steady stone]

so there's a ring around the teleporter on sky meadow/hatchery

hitting it will shift between "planet" and "moon"

[runic parcel]

Shhh don't spoil

[steady stone]

they asked the question bro 😭

Planet means you loop back to stage 1, moon is final boss

[runic parcel]

But they will find out soon

If they don't die

[craggy zealot]

Was the boss supposed to be hard

It was a magma worm i killed in like 5 seconds with the nailgun

Taking the teleporter ig

Tf

[steady stone]

Commencement. Prepare to meet your maker.

[craggy zealot]

This aint that bad

[steady stone]

The King of Nothing awaits

[craggy zealot]

Enemies are tanky but a weapon that shoots like 15 times a second and a thing that makes every crit bleed does a lot of damager

Not to mention the leech seed healing

[steady stone]

Hopefully you aren't overprepared. The King of Nothing is quite the experience when you first fight him.

[craggy zealot]

Hell yeah i beat him

Wait

Noooo i died to some stupid mfs

[steady stone]

rip

[lavish jacinth]

yeah commencement is like that

[steady stone]

i'm kinda glad he lost
i feel like mithrix is supposed to be a big obstacle that shouldn't be beaten the first attempt

it takes like 10-15 runs to warm up until you beat him relatively consistently, he's a fun roadblock

[fresh umbra]

How am i supposed to deal with overloading elder lemurian horde as commando

my loadout

[daring cloak]

Play very carefully

[daring cloak]

Ok you were done for with those items but also dont rush 😭

Items scale you faster than time scales enemies

[fresh umbra]

how slow is not rushing

[daring cloak]

Well I just did an e3 run an I entered the moon at about 60 minutes

[fresh umbra]

how many loops

[daring cloak]

No loops

[fresh umbra]

what...

[craggy zealot]

Yooo i got an achievement

Beat the game

[daring cloak]

I just spent a bit of time scrapping and printing

[craggy zealot]

I beat the king of nothing 2nd attempt W

2nd boss attempt, this took forever to get to

[daring cloak]

And that was enough to get strong enough items to survive even with the time being that high

[craggy zealot]

10 nails with a minigun is a crazy combo

I was applying like 60 bleeds at ince

[fresh umbra]

so 40-minute runs won't be as consistent as going slower?

[daring cloak]

Pretty much yeah

[fresh umbra]

that's roughly how long some of my previous eclipse wins with diff survivors were

[daring cloak]

With more items you have more things to work with that you can scrap and print

[lavish jacinth]

a good rule of thumb is to get everything on the stage and still try to leave with more items than minutes

that includes drones if you've got extra gold for them but items are priority

[fresh umbra]

what kinds of items should i be aiming for as commando? on the rare occassion i make it to mithrix, i always die to a stray hammer swing

[craggy zealot]

Given his good base atk speed i feel like a atk speed +bleed build would be good

[lavish jacinth]

mainly proc items and bleed for damage

[daring cloak]

Commando procs a lot so tri tip daggers work very well on him among other on hit effects

Mobility is also key for almost every survivor

Getting some speed buffs, one or two hopoo feathers and some quails gives you far more freedom of movement and makes it easier and safer to dodge mithrix and other enemies

[lavish jacinth]

with mithrix specifically, try to stay near the ramps and pillars for cover

[daring cloak]

Especially feather works well against mithrix since he cant really deal well with you being up close but a good bit in the air

[lavish jacinth]

you generally won't kill him quickly, but just focus on staying alive and wear him down

[craggy zealot]

Agreed, i had like 5 feathers on my winning run and took way less damage

[lavish jacinth]

with some characters you should wait for him to attack and then punish him afterwards, but for commando you can just sorta hang out and shoot him until he dies

[craggy zealot]

Only annoying thing is when he did that ground slam attack when he teleports really high and waits out my bleed

[lavish jacinth]

and be ready to run up to him in phase 3 once he starts doing big spinny, he always alternates between spinny and the big ground shockwave so you can sorta predict it

[fresh umbra]

ik that part

he does the shockwave, runs and shoots and then either immediately does spinny or does a hammer swing/slam and then sinny

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, and drones help a ton for mithrix.
His AI is unbelievably dumb and will spend half the fight flailing around trying to swat them out of the air

[fresh umbra]

does hiding behind walls make him more likely to aggro onto drones

[lavish jacinth]

an equipment drone with can turn the fight into a complete joke

[craggy zealot]

Also good for distracting the enemies in 2nd phase

[lavish jacinth]

and just distracting enemies in general

[lavish jacinth]

I think so, yeah

[craggy zealot]

Also its kinda funny when i had 2 incinerator drones disrespecting him as he lied on the ground

[daring cloak]

Ye dying enemies can still be targeted by your allies lmao

And mithrix's death animations lasts very long

[fresh umbra]

something i've always wondered is if you had no items and were at level 1, could you beat a level 1 mithrix and co. feasibly?

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, if you have , right before his last phase repair as many drones as you can to spawn turrets, they'll distract him and get you a ton of free damage at the start of the phase, if not kill him outright.

Even if you don't have polyp, staying close to him as he's stealing your items and running away at the last moment helps make sure your minions will aggro to him once he's vulnerable instead of following you to cover

[lavish jacinth]

if you're skilled enough, sure

[fresh umbra]

thanks for the help everyone

[burnt schooner]

You can probably kill any lvl1 boss at lvl1 with no items.

It just take some time.

[lavish jacinth]

depending on survivor, lv1 mithrix might actually be easier than most bosses, if I'm remembering how his health scaling works correctly

and assuming the fight starts with 0 seconds on the timer

mithrix actually has less base health than any other boss, but it scales exponentially faster

...don't quote me on that though, I'd have to look up the formula on the wiki and do the math to be sure

[burnt schooner]

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty#Unique_scaling

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I was just looking at that

if I'm not terrible at math then between his two main phases he'd still have less health than a stone titan, although his adaptive armor would make him tankier

[full apex]

Lvl 1 commando is 12 base 600%/s m1, so 72 dps. Accounting for 20 armor its 60. 1200 hp for like a titan with that would be like 20-30 seconds of solid dps

Lvl1 enemies will basically all be pushovers just cause they haven't scaled yet. The only things i could see being trouble would be like overloading worm or smth

Just cause its hard to dps consistently and avoid with no items

Also i dont rember special scaling exactly but i think its like 1/2 diff coeff for hp and 1/8 for damage?

[tribal citrus]

are the servers acting up in multiplayer ?

[lavish jacinth]

they shouldn't be, considering ror2 is peer2peer

if there are no games in the list it could be because crossplay is enabled (if you're on steam), or there just aren't many people playing

[spring spoke]

define regular

[full apex]

just like a random one for scythe

[lavish jacinth]

they're only 2 stages and are meant for speedrunning, usually they're pretty easy

and the seed changes every 3 days so if you get a hard one you can just wait

[quasi crystal]

If you get a stage 5 you can use the artifact portal I heard

[weak crow]

could i have done anything different here

[lavish jacinth]

mostly just staying aware of what the chimeras were doing, and knowing that wisp chimeras tend to use their charged bomb thing at longer ranges and immediately after they're done shooting. You probably had time to dash or use m2 but reacting to that in time would've been tough

but that's just a shitty situation all around though, really the only mistake you made was turning your back on them for a second. But wisp chimeras are just assholes like that

[weak crow]

yeah i was focused on recycling the drops but it just came so fast

thanks

[wintry fjord]

If someone is in the middle of a game, can some one drop in

And if not is there a mod that lets you can?

[lavish jacinth]

there is, but the host has to be the one running it. it also hasn't been updated recently so it may not work https://thunderstore.io/package/niwith/DropinMultiplayer/

[trim junco]

Are there any good Bandit builds I should be using? I’ve been experimenting with bleed builds but I’m not sure (I’m using Artifact of Command and Artifact of Chaos)

I usually like using the HUD legendary item

[quasi crystal]

[trim junco]

👍

[vernal patio]

Hello, Im new here. Just wondering if it is possible to cross-play from pc to ps5?

[dusky raven]

nope

[analog brook]

This is a general rule of thumb but also the reason why you got hit initially here, going in a straight line relative to the enemies is generally a bad idea and moving from the enemies side will usually avoid a majority of the enemy attacks

[vernal patio]

oofers.. oh well. thanks for the respond though ^^ good know

[quasi crystal]

Lunar wisps track well though

[shy cypress]

Is the new dlc worth it?

[analog brook]

You should cop it on sale/wait for the first major update that reworks elites and items (:

Most items feel in a bad spot and janky, don't really belong in the game

[livid moat]

when are they going to fix the game?

[flint galleon]

does anyone have any tips for bandit sadist? ive tried newt but im unable to kill him

[bold reef]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Bandit:_Sadist

On the wiki it usually gives nice tips for challenges on ways that can help you/help cheese it

[flint galleon]

mann.. why does this achievement have to be so hard

[runic parcel]

I guess you could have used a dash but it's hard to think of things in the moment

[runic parcel]

Do you have command and purity?

[flint galleon]

the problem is killing them

[runic parcel]

Ok I did it on an imp lord but maybe a grand parent would work

You could also in a different run chose less damage items

Go more defensive because you don't need to beat the run

The problem with mythrix is his dashes get rid of all debuffs you could do it on voiding?

It has way to much health

[bold reef]

Is there an easy way to get to the gilded coast to fight aureolinite so I can unlock FS without just praying for a gold shrine to show up???

[wide parrot]

yes, instead you can pray that the Lunar Seer will give it to you

[bold reef]

Is that the only other way??

[wide parrot]

yes

wait no I forgot the new way

[bold reef]

Sadness ig ill just do a drizzle looping run until I find it lol

[bold reef]

Oh!?!?!

[wide parrot]

If you get a a halycon shrine on stage 5 it will give you a gold portal instead of a green portal

[bold reef]

OHHHHH

Okok cool ill keep a look out for that

Thank you

[wide parrot]

you should be doing them anyways, even if you dont take the portal. They drop good loot

[bold reef]

Oh really I've been missing out then lol, I'm still really new to all the SOTS stuff

[acoustic acorn]

Is there a multiplayer mod or something, i want to try this game out with friends but still have a vanilla expirience

[full apex]

The game has built in coop

[lavish jacinth]

Get a couple of backup mags and stab alloy worship unit a bunch, easiest way to do it. Purity is optional, you can just use lights out to reset m2 charges

[flint galleon]

alloy worship unit, k

[lavish jacinth]

Aurelionite works too but AWU is way tankier, and you can stand on top of it for easy backstabs

[dull monolith]

Quick question. Does Voidling count for mastery achievements?

[flint prawn]

It should, as you beat the game

[dull monolith]

K, thx

[spring spoke]

why is it so damn hard to find lens

[wide parrot]

cause its random?

[steady stone]

During the FS fight, every time I use one of those pillars, does another one respawn? I.E. is there always one available?

Wondering if firework printing is as strong as I think it is for FS

[analog brook]

It has a decent cooldown on when it respawns

There won't be a pillar 24/7

[steady stone]

Unfortunate
Will gamble for

If I leave to the normal run at tree colony, can I redo path of the colossus for the meridian skin after in the same run?

Idk if I can beat FS rn

but also dont remember if it locks you for going to the path stages or just meridian

[left trellis]

I'm pretty sure you can return to the Colossus path as long as you haven't killed FS during that run

you'll just have to find a way in during the next loop (Golden Coast, Halcyon Shrine, etc.)

[steady stone]

hopefully 🤞

[left trellis]

visiting newt is a good way to maximize your odds because you might get a golden coast lunar seer

[daring cloak]

Also going to the alt path early

[wide parrot]

you can also get seers that go directly to the alt path as well

[steady stone]

Well speak of the devil, but stage 4 is not when I wanted the coast seer

[daring cloak]

The halc shrine on altar and treeborn spawns golden portals and most of my gold shrine spawns were also on treeborn

[lavish jacinth]

Stage routing in sots is an absolute clusterfuck

[left trellis]

I know how it works but explaining it is a mess

[tribal tartan]

can you fight false son if you loop

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah

Halcyon shrines are pretty rare after stage 1 but you can also get to the alt path with lunar seers

[tribal tartan]

with

what are lunar seers 😭

wait are they the portal things ion the bazaar

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, they let you pick the next stage

[noble cipher]

as false son, should I prioritise health items over regular damage items?

[runic parcel]

No

[charred dawn]

i think im cooked one of those spawning shines spawned 2-3 clay dunes bosses

[quasi crystal]

I would never scrap one for the other, but damage is still better than growth on false son

[late root]

Does anyone know what debuff False Son's spears proc on enemies?

[quasi crystal]

Lunar ruin

[remote stump]

Does seeker revive not work in simulacrum?

[dusky raven]

You need to revive on the seventh use, not after

It should work

[granite prism]

on wave 47 simalcrum on monsoon and every time i get to this wave it just stops? says replicating combat trial test in chat but no mobs spawn

[neon abyss]

Asking here as well then, how to fix vanilla ror2 eclipse multiplayer? Only E1 is available, despite all players using characters that have E2 or even E8. Individually we can access it, but when the other person joins in, it resets back to E1, even if the character has E2 and higher.

[lavish jacinth]

what happens if you just wait a while?
That sounds like a bug, but iirc there's normally a failsafe that forces the next wave to start if no enemies have spawned or died in the past minute or two

[bold reef]

Uhh I just beat FS with the Halcyon seed and I didn't unlock him???

I don't understand

[broken viper]

maybe you killed him too fast? If im right i think the challenge say you need to purify the false son using the halcyon's seed so i guess halcyon needs to deal the final blow

when i say killed him too fast i mean OS, because i did it with loader and 16 kjaro band so i didnt OS him but he died in a sec

[bold reef]

Yeah maybe i was railgunner

I'll let him breathe this time lol

[quasi crystal]

You need to both let aurelonite spawn and keep her alive @bold reef

[final jackal]

tips for loader and mercenary??

[bold reef]

OK I did it thank God I just let the mf breathe for a second before blowing him up

[bold reef]

Try to dash while grappling/punching on Loader, extra speed will give you more momentum and let you deal more dmg and go further

Also try to always combo your punch with your grapple, the most momentum you'll ever get on loader all comes from proper use of the grappling hook, movement speed items do very little in this regard

[quasi crystal]

Quail helps though

[bold reef]

Also I'd say don't really play her like a melee character the game plan imo is do big punch, get out, wait for cooldowns to come back, repeat

You shouldn't be in their faces constantly using your primary thatll get you killed pretty fast

Also don't use the alt skills they're all worse in my eyes

The spiked Gauntlet is OK but it gives you less grapple points, slam is just worse than pylon and pylon helps you deal with flying enemies which can be a pain, and the alt punch not only deals less dmg it also stops ALL your momentum on hitting something and means that you can't punch thru a whole group of enemies at once and you can't keep it fully charged to release whenever you want AND it doesn't travel as far either

Very stinky

Another tip as well is trying to learn either how to potroll or use the pylon to push down the switches on abandoned aqueduct, free bands is so op on Loader

Admittedly tho this is a huge pain

[broken viper]

xD

[tender temple]

I personally like all of alts over defaults

All of loader* alts over defaults

Spiked is a no brainer and the others are okay sidegrades

[flint galleon]

i like spiked gauntlet and alt utility

[tender temple]

Gauntlet is an actual sidegrade and slam is generally worse to have but I like it nonetheless

[flint galleon]

i personally like going full ape mode with loader

[slow cloak]

Heya uh question

I’m kinda new and I’m wondering if artifacts are like super busted items needed to progress late game at all

Because it seems like no matter what I do I can’t get even close to the benchmark of, uh, level 50 in simi even with a crazy rail gunner build

Also you die in like 97% of the early games and I’m wondering if the relics are there to allow you to not. Die instantly before the run picks up

[steady stone]

Certain artifacts (Command sacrifice swarms) do make the game easier, but won't help you "learn".
Sure removing RNG will help, but you'll never learn to manage your run if you never get to.

Most people use them simply when they want a throwaway run for fun, or an annoying unlock, like one that requires a lot of luck.

[slow cloak]

My problem is sofar RNG massively screwing me over

Every run I’ve had has ended to some form of cosmically bad RNG

[steady stone]

Item RNG?

[slow cloak]

Everything rng

[steady stone]

For enemy attacks, always keep moving
I will say playing huntress helps keep it in your muscle memory

[slow cloak]

Either I get a simu with no chests and then the stupid wooly bastards spawn at the start and the runs over because seriously it’s impossible to deal with them, least as rail. I’d be shocked if any other base unit does better since rail has the homing shots for the ground wooly’s.

[steady stone]

The 🦬?

[slow cloak]

No the uh

Jumping one and stupid bat. Btw I’m referring to the very start of the run in simu where it spawns like 18 of them

[steady stone]

Ah, simulacrum

[slow cloak]

ye

I kinda cannot TOLERATE base game

[steady stone]

And these 2 i'd assume

[slow cloak]

Because of the teleported gimmick

I cannot find anything in real life I do not need to be reminded when playing video games

[steady stone]

Yeah finding the teleporter gets easier with experience
You learn to scout while looting and such

[slow cloak]

I once spent like 11 minutes tryna find a teleporter and the run was basically over bc scaling difficulty

[steady stone]

But also, they added Umbrella Settings, to mark the teleporter when found

[slow cloak]

I’d prefer if it did that when you got near if there’s a option for that

Because it always hides tucked away in some stupid corner

[slow cloak]

To be clear this is not 11 minutes of me getting busy shooting enemies no

[steady stone]

https://www.reddit.com/r/riskofrain/comments/1f858k2/new_setting_makes_finding_teleporters_way_easier/

The big red particles can also be much bigger

[slow cloak]

Oh that lost boss activation.

Wait actually is that the boss or just base

If it’s just base then Jesus I need to enable those particles

There was none on mine why is that not a default setting

[steady stone]

Well there are particles. Making them big is a new umbrella setting for QoL

They added all of those when sots came out

[slow cloak]

There was barely any enemies it was me scouring around in god damn map to try and find the bigger bugger, it ended up being in the most hidden away crevice you could think of

[slow cloak]

Thank god bc otherwise normal mode is actually unplayable if you have shit rng like me.

I couldn’t ever get a normal run past tele 3 because it took me over 5 minutes to find the freaking portal

on average. And again I never really bothered fighting stuff for too long

[steady stone]

Gotta look for teleporter WHILE looting

[slow cloak]

^^^^

[steady stone]

Looking after you already full looted will always burn time

But you will get money while looking, and you can go back for the chests after that

[slow cloak]

It was just me going to check every god damn small corner to find the stupid portal.

And then it ended up being an area I passed 5 times but because of terrain it was impossible to see unless you looked at it from a very specific angle (happened to me twice)

(In a row…)

[slow cloak]

Yes those two they’re just impossible to kill if the game spawns too many early on.

You focus on the bats and the stupid ground ones instantly kill you

Focus on the ground ones and the stupid flyers snipe you instantly

[steady stone]

The first 50 seconds of this drive the point I'm trying to make btw about particles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUpDLbwFwaU

The whole video also might be good

But if you know what to look for, the particles can be game changing

Red particles other than on stage 5 adjusting teleporter, where they're blue

[slow cloak]

Also where do you GET relics if I can ask

[trim lynx]

also sounds are really obvious on wetland aspect

[trim lynx]

you mean artifacts?

[neon abyss]

bumping this cause this is still a problem, eclipse multiplayer borked :( kinda saed

[lavish jacinth]

If you can't find a fix it would probably be worth making a #1172187541349347429 about it.

Out of curiosity, have you tried completing an e1 run to see if anything changes?

[neon abyss]

We noticed the bug BECAUSE we had completed an E1 run.

And I'm a bit hesitant on making a bug report, because I dunno, maybe the mods that were previously on somehow borked the save file in such a way that kills multiplayer eclipse specifically, hell if I know.

[neon abyss]

It counted the completion for the both of us, both of our respective characters are at E2, however still only E1 is available

[lavish jacinth]

Well, you can disable mods and verify game files or reinstall if you wanna be sure

Worst case scenario, it's a mod issue and nobody can recreate the bug. It's not like you'll get in trouble for it

[neon abyss]

All mods have been disabled already (it's vanilla after all), game files have been verified, did not fix the issue. The only thing we haven't tried yet is reinstalling.

[lavish jacinth]

It may very well be a vanilla bug then. Afaik it's pretty much unheard of for mods to cause lasting bugs like that, and verifying/reinstalling should fix it if they do

[neon abyss]

In that case I'll go and actually make a bug report

[bold reef]

Ngl I can see through argument for spiked gauntlet, but thunder gauntlet is literally just a straight downgrade as long as you use her charged gauntlet properly

[tender temple]

it is not

[bold reef]

Do you mind explaining??

[tender temple]

faster charge is all i need

i dont like having to hold down the button for 5 business days when i can just press it once and then press it again soon after

as well as it solves the issue with flying enemies because of the shock cone

[bold reef]

I can't lie I don't know if faster charge is worth trading aoe, dmg and range. But to each their own

[tender temple]

you dont trade aoe at all

the dmg difference is negligible

wow i deal 700% or so more damage thats so great except its very inconvenient

[bold reef]

The thunder cone does far far less dmg than the charged gauntlet, the cone does way less dmg than a charged gauntlet and also doesn't benefit from momentum dmg either

[lavish jacinth]

technically thunder does potentially have higher single-target damage too

[tender temple]

most of your damage is on the first hit due to bands anyway so the "aoe" aspect barely matters

far far less is a stretch

2000% vs 2700% is not that big of a difference

[lavish jacinth]

and playstyle-wise it fits much better if you like playing loader as a brawler

[bold reef]

But as soon as you hit literally more than one enemy that goes straight out the window, overall charged will do more

[bold reef]

The cone doesn't deal 2000%

[lavish jacinth]

which is why I said single-target damage

[tender temple]

ok but you arent using the gauntlet pierce for aoe damage most of the time

because it does none without bands

and bands would proc on the first hit anyway

wow i hit everyone with my regular damage and not the boosted damage thats so big chungus wholesome

[bold reef]

That's not true the aoe dmg is very useful even without runalds

[tender temple]

the aoe one is kjaro

[bold reef]

Ik that's why I said even without yhe runalds dmg

[lavish jacinth]

also, both punches are so good that it hardly matters lol

[tender temple]

ok but i dont need aoe on loader of all things when my main power point is singletarget nukes and mobility

[bold reef]

Bc only kjaro.will help in aoe

[tender temple]

you can easily make up for aoe with items while charged is just more convenient for singletarget

[bold reef]

But her mobility is also lessened by thunder Gauntlet, bc you travel less distance and get stopped on first enemy hit

[tender temple]

not really

[bold reef]

It is more convenient I won't argue that but charged is still better if you use it properly

[tender temple]

like ok i fly slightly less crossmap wow im still flying across the map

gee such a big difference

its almost like most of her mobility is from fist and not gauntlet

gauntlet only accelerates you while you are flying with fist

[bold reef]

You completely stop as soon as you hit an enemy as opposed to flying straight thru that's not a small difference

[tender temple]

ok but why do you need to fly through enemies

i just hit them and fly away with fist

or wow even sprint away

[bold reef]

It makes you more mobile and is more fluid

[tender temple]

i dislike the mobility it gives me sorry

[bold reef]

That requires a backup mag tho

[tender temple]

not really

i can just not use fist to boost its damage cause it charges max momentum on its own??

[lavish jacinth]

It doesn't at all actually, just don't let go of the grapple when the punch lands and you'll spring backwards

[tender temple]

it already sends you back quite a bit when you land it anyway

[bold reef]

How are you going to get momentum without grappling tho??

[tender temple]

by using the ability??

[bold reef]

Just running??

[tender temple]

cause it charges max momentum on its own?? like i just said??

[bold reef]

Bro you're supposed to use the grapple and fist in tandem

That makes her do more dmg

[tender temple]

yeah with default gauntlet

thunder barely benefits it

[bold reef]

And also with thunder

[bold reef]

Not true it still helps on the first hit, which is what you said you care about

[tender temple]

no not really

the momentum from fist barely increases damage dealt on singletarget to the point its just not worth doing

[bold reef]

Yes yes really they both have the heavy tag lol so they both benefit from momentum

[lavish jacinth]

Ngl it sounds like you just haven't played with thunder much and aren't used to how you use it

[tender temple]

id rather save it for mobility than use it for something i already have enough of(damage)

[bold reef]

That's bc you don't use the graplle

[bold reef]

I literally used to use it more before

[tender temple]

i dont think you know how thunder works

[bold reef]

But I think charged is just better overall

[lavish jacinth]

It is technically better overall in terms of damage potential, yes

[bold reef]

And mobility

[tender temple]

im not a loader expert either but like it doesnt take 1000 runs with either gauntlet to figure out how they are different

[lavish jacinth]

But it doesn't make thunder bad or even that much worse, just different

[bold reef]

Amd aoe....

Therefore it's better, is thunder more convenient?? Yes but does that make it better???? No

[tender temple]

worse aoe technically

its only better if you use it like railgunner supercharge

[lavish jacinth]

Bro does not understand the concept of playstyles

[bold reef]

Which number is bigger 1000 or 2700???

[tender temple]

wow all of my enemies lined up after 5 hours! i can pierce all of them now!

[tender temple]

and what is that 2700 gonna do to enemies that arent in the radius

[bold reef]

No I've been saying this whole time that you can prefer thunder and that's fine

I'm only arguing for why I think charged is the better ability overall

[tender temple]

the 1000% is gonna hit literally everything in that general direction which will wipe all fodder

while the pierce is not going to hit most enemies

its also worse for flying enemies period

[bold reef]

Enemies generally gather together in this game anyway if you circle them

[bold reef]

I will concede that it's worse against blind pests and wisps

[tender temple]

i can actually afford to not rely on pylon cause my shift already onetaps flying enemies for me

[daring cloak]

Has any of you even mentioned that the self recoil of thunder usually ends up getting you in unfavourable positions whereas the default one would still carry you to safer spots if you angle it right

[bold reef]

Exactly

[tender temple]

it has not once did that for me

i cant believe you are against me wertus

[lavish jacinth]

Thunder can also bounce you into a good position if you angle it right

[tender temple]

how do you not angle it right

you always bounce away from enemies??

just like how you always pierce through enemies with default?

[bold reef]

And default can send you flying to safety if you do it right

[tender temple]

its not like im standing under a vagrant and trying to hit it from below

[lavish jacinth]

...so what's your point lol

[bold reef]

I'm ngl let's just agree to disagree I don't think either ability is bad and tbh no matter what loadout you choose loader is still broken

[lavish jacinth]

They can both do it

[bold reef]

So it's whatever

[tender temple]

gauntlets arent even nearly as big of a debate like most other alts in the game

[bold reef]

Oh no I agree I never said thunder is a bad ability

[tender temple]

just because both are broken overpowered and no one cares which one is objectively more overpowered

[bold reef]

Agreed again I only wanted to debate you and see your opinions

[tender temple]

its not like railgunner with the fun af alt that is objectively glorpshit in comparison 🥀

hmm today i will get rid of the one thing that makes railgunner strong ->

[bold reef]

Yea but which is better flying thru like a freight train with accuracy putting you to safety or bouncing off the enemy a bit taking you almost nowhere??

Just saying

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think anyone was arguing for thunder being better overall either, obviously charged is better under ideal circumstances. But thunder has advantages that can help it outperform charged in other cases, depending on how you play her

[tender temple]

almost nowhere is a stretch though and you know it

[bold reef]

I'm comparison to charged Gauntlet?? I don't think it's much of a stretch at all

[tender temple]

it also works way better with slam

[bold reef]

But again agree to disagree

[bold reef]

Slam stinky poopy tho

[tender temple]

not really no

[bold reef]

Pylon solos

And it helps me get bands on aqueduct

[tender temple]

its poopy with charged because you cant kill flying enemies for shit and you need it for extra fist mobility

[bold reef]

I'd like to see stinky slam do that

[tender temple]

with charged you dont need either and it works way better

[lavish jacinth]

Slam does have the slampunch tech tho tbf, which is really damn strong if you're good at it

[tender temple]

it gives you a lot of extra aoe damage and an extra stun on top of that

it just makes loader a lot more fun in my opinion

[bold reef]

I don't like to play Loader like a melee anyway really

Doesn't suit my playstyle

[daring cloak]

Tbh this never felt like it worked for me

[tender temple]

if i wanted to play like a pussy and dash through enemies over and over again id just play merc

[bold reef]

I just wanna punch and get back out

[daring cloak]

Whenever I tried to do the slam punch the damage was so weak it almost felt like the punch missed entirely

Which wasnt the case though as the punch hitlag was still noticeably present

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, it's hard to do

But it's definitely a thing

[feral orbit]

If i get a blue and yellow orb in a stage and go to the blue portal, will a seer to the Gilded Coast appear in the Bazaar?

[lavish jacinth]

If I were at my pc I'd send one of jazzboats clips lol

[lavish jacinth]

No

[daring cloak]

I would try to see if I could do it on the current version but as of now switch loader is kinda... welllllll

[lavish jacinth]

Well it can, but it's still random and rare

[feral orbit]

I'll take the gamble then

No gilded coast

😭

[flint prawn]

mach 5 loader my beloved

[granite prism]

i have mods enabled so it might be a mod issue, but if i wait nothing happens. it’s still saved so i can go back to it but idrk what to do

[lavish jacinth]

I hate to say it but if mods are breaking it then you'll probably have to go back and redo it in vanilla

I haven't heard of anyone else having the same problem so a mod issue sounds likely

[granite prism]

i imagine it is ill probably make a new run and see if the same issue happens

[slow cloak]

Where do I get artifacts.

[full apex]

on stage 5, theres a special portal machine. you add codes of 3x3 symbols, found in other maps, and clear the challenge to get the artifacts

heres an image from sky meadows. they give you an example code for free, you can see the portal frame in the background and the cups to add symbols nearby.

[daring cloak]

To get the different symbols interact with the cups until the right one shows up

The order is square > circle > triangle > diamond > nothing > square

[slow cloak]

Oh. Thank god I learned about the trick to make the normal game playable 😅 is there anything I should know before I try and get one? My goal is to make it to where I can do simu without 9/10 runs dying instantly bc I have comically bad rng

[lavish jacinth]

Right now the area where you unlock artifacts is buggy and can softlock your run by not spawning a portal to leave, although you can still unlock artifacts

[full apex]

if you scroll down a bit i have some good tips pinned in here

[lavish jacinth]

Although if you do just want to get better at the game in general, artifacts can end up being a pretty big crutch that holds you back, especially command.
Still nothing wrong with using them if you find it fun, just mentioning it

[slow cloak]

Ty for letting me know in advanced

[slow cloak]

I’m not having issues getting better at the game I’m having issues of getting the hardest enemies spawning while getting the worst items possible in simu over and over and over and over and over and over and over again

[candid imp]

Btw I've also had it where it took ridiculously long for the artifact keys to spawn

[slow cloak]

It has happened at least 8-9 times and I can’t get a simu run off the floor without wasting like 4-6 hours not because of anything I can control but because bad item rng

[lavish jacinth]

Simu tends to be really hard in general early on

[candid imp]

Sounds like an rng problem to me ngl

[slow cloak]

Yes exactly that’s why I want artifacts.

[candid imp]

You got command?

[slow cloak]

No

[candid imp]

Oof

You new or smth? Cuz I don't expect a long time player not to have it

Tho there is a first time for everything

[slow cloak]

Yes I just want funny void orb man ;- ;

[candid imp]

What time zone are you?

[slow cloak]

It’s 5:30 AM for me

And I am, aheam, directionally challenged (I cannot locate shit for the life of me so normal mode is hell)

[lavish jacinth]

If it helps, I recommend engineer for simulacrum. Good crowd control, synergizes with a lot of items (including some that are normally pretty crap) and if you get a scary wave you can just hide and let your turrets deal with it

[candid imp]

K so your 6 hours ahead of me

Have you tried just killing voidling on drizzle?

@slow cloak cuz that's how I did it

I mean if your struggling to do that I could try help

But not rn

Tommorrow

[slow cloak]

Idk what that even is

I just presumed it was normal mode so I can’t do it without

[candid imp]

Survivors of the void final boss

[lavish jacinth]

Normal as in difficulty or gamemode?

[slow cloak]

Game mode

[lavish jacinth]

Ah
Yeah, there are 2 ways to get him, simulacrum is an alternate game mode

[candid imp]

Void fiend is ez boss

[lavish jacinth]

You don't have to do stage 50 in a normal run, that would be horrible lol

[slow cloak]

I’m hoping the particle trick helps but if it doesn’t I’m cooked because I struggle really bad to find portals an again it’s not a lack of trying I spend 99% of the level wandering around trying to find it, it just takes me 5 minutes to actually find which tiny corner it spawned in because as said prior I have terrible rng

[candid imp]

Do you rely on gear much?

Cuz if not you can just use the scanner to find it

[slow cloak]

I use railgunner so I try not to. I’ve never got a radar in time bc I always get kneecapped at the early stages

[candid imp]

I mean if your available tommorrow I could help

[oblique ridge]

Does anyone know why I die to "the planet" when I do the merc launching in the sky tech w my m2? Like, before I even am off the slope I launched from (on eclipse if that helps)

[candid imp]

But depends on the time

[slow cloak]

Maybeee idk. I wanna try and beat it on my own but I might snap and look for help

[lavish jacinth]

"Died to the planet" is for environmental deaths, or any other case where the thing that killed you doesn't have a name

[slow cloak]

Especially if I can’t find teleporters with the particle thing

[lavish jacinth]

It gets easier when you start learning stage layouts

[slow cloak]

Actually I’ve tried that with getting the same level back to back, it didn’t work because again it always spawns in the worst possible spot

[lavish jacinth]

The teleporter tries to spawn far away from the player spawn, so you get a feel for where to look

[slow cloak]

Like for example tucked behind a flower that’s close to a wall so that way you can’t see it unless your looking at it from a super specific angle and it’s also on dirt terrain so it’s base blends in so you have to get really lucky to even catch a glimpse at it

[candid imp]

Btw when you said kneecapped you mean dying right?

And don't look for the teleporter itself look for the red sparkles

They're usually way more obvious

[lavish jacinth]

...or wait, were you asking why it kills you in the first place?
Bc that's just a new bug introduced with the physics changes in the sots update

[slow cloak]

Effectively. I don’t bother continuing a run if I spent two difficulties finding the stupid portal for the starting stage

[candid imp]

I mean I find that doesn't rly matter for me

[slow cloak]

Haven’t enabled em yet and praying they help

[lavish jacinth]

They should

[candid imp]

Btw if you want a good character

Other than railgunner that's good for movement and dmg

[lavish jacinth]

With it enabled the particles get larger the further away they are, you can see them from space lol

[candid imp]

Mercenary is a solid choice

[oblique ridge]

oh thank you

[lavish jacinth]

...I would've said loader but sure

[candid imp]

Mercenaries abilities scale with movement speed

[lavish jacinth]

Merc has a bit more of a learning curve

[slow cloak]

I prefer railgunner I like the sniper Esq gameplay that can also use the funny homing shots

[candid imp]

And they all deal dmg

[oblique ridge]

Thank you so much, that helps lots. I was so unsure why it randomly started doing damage and then killing me

[candid imp]

Loaders grapple doesn't as far as I know

Might be wrong

[lavish jacinth]

It doesn't, but her punch literally does more damage the faster she moves with it.
And she doesn't even need speed items at all

[candid imp]

Ik but like mercs ability range gets rly good at 10 hooves

20 is when it stops being manageable

And anything more you clearly the map in 2 button inputs

[lavish jacinth]

...ok, but loader gets similar range with 0 hooves, and more damage and survivability

There's a reason loader is pretty much universally regarded as the most op character in the game along with railgunner (although false son might have them both beat lol)

[candid imp]

It doesn't trust me

[lavish jacinth]

Depends on how good you are with grappling

[candid imp]

Not the longest Merc dash anyway

[lavish jacinth]

Either way, 10 hooves just for a really long dash is kinda eh as item investment goes, you'll get more value from focus crystals and procs

[candid imp]

At 50 I was hitting world borders lol

[lavish jacinth]

I know how his dash scales lol

[candid imp]

I tried to teleport up to mithrix and hit the sky limit

Don't get 50 goat hooves

[daring cloak]

Thats just... why would you ever do that

[lavish jacinth]

I have like 1k hours and a good chunk of that is just testing stupid ideas like this, plus hanging out in this channel a lot

[candid imp]

I was bored

And wanted to see how fast I could go

• I had like 5 little disciple

So it was rly funny

There's no point going above 53 tho

Because you literally just go off the map when you press the button

On either the long dash or ult dash

[lavish jacinth]

Regardless, if you want a character that gets really good results with a somewhat minimal learning curve, loader is the way to go.
Although I wouldn't recommend her for simulacrum

[candid imp]

Honestly I found mercenary easier to play

But that could just be my playstyle

[tender temple]

Good results minimal learning curve would be mult

[lavish jacinth]

Voidling is also debatable, might be better taking railgunner for that since you want range and there's not a lot of stuff to grapple in voidlings arena

[candid imp]

For good movement+ good dmg we on about

[tender temple]

Loader still requires you to learn how to use gauntlet and fist while mult is as straightforward as it can get while having the best base stats in the game

[lavish jacinth]

I was gonna mention that too

[candid imp]

Voidling is unironically rly easy with Merc and I ain't even done ethereal

[lavish jacinth]

Um actually he's the only character to have lower base damage (by a whole 1 point that barely matters lmao)

[candid imp]

Also what is the final mult weapon?

[lavish jacinth]

Alt special?

[tender temple]

Saw?

By final I assume you mean the last one

[lavish jacinth]

I forget whether saw or scrap launcher is listed first

[candid imp]

No the actual weapon but the one in the final column

[tender temple]

Yeah power saw

[candid imp]

Is it a melee?

[tender temple]

It is

[candid imp]

Is it any good?

[tender temple]

It's fine I guess

[lavish jacinth]

1000% dmg, 10 hits per second with 1.0 coefficient, but short range

[tender temple]

It's fun but a bit difficult to play with

[candid imp]

Guessing it ain't good with the power mode

[tender temple]

Oh boy

[lavish jacinth]

About that....

[candid imp]

You have no range tho.....

[tender temple]

It pushes you towards enemies if you hit them

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's got like a vacuum effect going on

dealing with flying enemies early on sucks, but once you get anything that deals with them you're good to go

[tender temple]

And double saw means double the pull force along with the armor you get from power mode which is useful for melee

[candid imp]

Dual power saw ???

[lavish jacinth]

2,000%dps and the highest proc rate in the game

and it's an aoe, albeit a small one

[candid imp]

• bril behemoth

[tender temple]

It has cracked damage output but it takes some getting used to

[lavish jacinth]

and there's also saw+nail

powermode has this funny quirk where the accuracy of the primary weapon carries over to the secondary

[tender temple]

The hitrate also means you heal a lot even with leeching seed

[lavish jacinth]

so having saw (which has no spread) as a primary will give you a secondary nailgun that's perfectly accurate

as well as really good dps

[candid imp]

Wait so rly accurate nail if I use rebar nail

[lavish jacinth]

mostly yeah, but with lower dps

[candid imp]

But more range

[lavish jacinth]

rebar also has hidden recoil that'll affect the secondary

[lavish jacinth]

honestly? not even really worth it

[candid imp]

I mean double rebar is fun ngl

[lavish jacinth]

nailgun has limited range anyway, the accuracy helps its dps but not by enough to justify rebar + nail imo

scrap+nail is pretty fun though

[tender temple]

Mult is the one character that doesn't really need to poke enemies from afar

Shrug off damage and hold m1

[candid imp]

Double rebar + power mode = tank

[tender temple]

1 stack of leeching seed and you have insane healing right off the bat too

[lavish jacinth]

tank with kinda crap dps tho lol
unless you're spamming the weird rebar/blast canister cancel tech thing, and I don't even know if it's that good

not to mention that if you do get in a bad spot you can instantly get away with transport mode or stun with blast canister

[tender temple]

Double rebar is too annoying for me so I just play regular mult

[candid imp]

Oh nah I just get bands crowbars and bullets

The dmg is insane

[tender temple]

Worse results than double scrap launcher unironically

[candid imp]

I don't like the reload thing

[tender temple]

Doesn't matter when you use power mode

[lavish jacinth]

yeah double rebar PM is probably the worst mul-t loadout without the canister cancel thing

[candid imp]

Ik but I still don't like it

[tender temple]

Wait half a second for 8 aoe blasts wow

Some people just prefer different things and I cannot stand the rebar delay between shots

[candid imp]

• I have to get fairly close if I want to hit my shots

[lavish jacinth]

rebar and scrap were both sorta designed around swapping weapons while they're reloading

[tender temple]

The only reason I take it over scrap on my kit is because I need the ranged option to not be a projectile

[candid imp]

Atleast you can avoid that with attack spead

[tender temple]

You need copious amounts of it

[candid imp]

Not rly

[tender temple]

By that time I might as well finish the run

[candid imp]

7 is like +115%

So it halfs it

Which with power mode is fine

[tender temple]

7 syringes is a printer basically

[candid imp]

I use command

[tender temple]

I see

[candid imp]

Makes the game more fun

[lavish jacinth]

a rebar with 7 syringes is still less dps than a single nailgun ironically

[candid imp]

Cuz I can do ridiculous builds

[candid imp]

Yh but you gotta get close with nailgun

[tender temple]

I also enjoyed command at some point but I grew out of it

[lavish jacinth]

for me command was only ever fun to do really dumb builds, which I don't do often

just playing with it normally is boring

[tender temple]

After you do enough broken builds you just start to miss the randomness

[lavish jacinth]

having to deal with whatever random garbage the game gives you is part of the fun

[candid imp]

I get annoyed with it very easily

[tender temple]

The only times I pull it out nowadays are for unlocks

[candid imp]

And I have consistently terrible rng

[tender temple]

Me n my distant roost start

[lavish jacinth]

terrible rng, or are you just used to getting nothing but good items?

[tender temple]

Hey hey buddy what if they are actually only getting bolstering lantern

[lavish jacinth]

I don't care if people use command, but I do think people underestimate how little "good rng" is actually required to win a run

[candid imp]

No I mean I would have Terrible rng

And ik it makes the game easier

[tender temple]

The only times bad rng fucks me over is when it gives me literally 0 printers so all of my scrap goes to waste

And by literally I mean it I can't even print it into dogshit