ror2-game-questions

[full apex]

do you just want to hear it? or experience it lol

when you cant afford the hp cost you get evicted

[last valve]

are scrappers any useful and how should i use them

[left trellis]

get rid of stuff that isn't very helpful so that they can go into more helpful printers

scrap is useful because 3D printers take them first, meaning scrappers are used to curate your build

[full apex]

yea

get rid of items that dont synergize or help anymore, or get rid of detrimental stuff. if a good printer is on the stage, you can even scrap some decent stuff to guarantee a powerful synergy, like full crit or full bleed

[last valve]

ohh

alright

[full apex]

you cant scrap lunar or void items tho

[last valve]

and should i try to full loot every stage

[full apex]

yea

[last valve]

okok

[full apex]

aim for getting one clean sweep through, as you learn stages more youll naturally clear quicker

dont worry about waiting by chests if you need money, not having enoug hmeans youre ahead of the curve. that or you can just come back, as long as the backtracking isnt toooo bad

[last valve]

alr ty

btw for bandit and huntress are there any specific items i should be looking for

[pulsar nova]

for bandit, proc items. for huntress, any damage

what special are you using on huntress?

[last valve]

normal one arrow rain

[pulsar nova]

focus on proc damage then, not burst

[lavish jacinth]

as a general rule, proc items and damage multipliers tend to be good on everyone ( etc.)

[full apex]

are proc chain items, which means they can proc other items (though not in infinite loops)

they are extremely powerful because they ramp each other. getting at least one of each will make you very powerful very quickly. helps, luck makes the chains longer. though it needs to be unlocked by having 20 stages in one run

[last valve]

should i also loot the gold shrines or nah

[full apex]

its free items, so if you want to

[last valve]

o ok

[full apex]

theres 4 chests and you get a special boss item that helps teleporter events

time is frozen so

[last valve]

rn im doing rly well i have 3 thougher times and 2 of the atg missiles

the lil bear

[quasi crystal]

I want to experience it and sneak it in my friend groups modpack 🙂

[noble cipher]

anybody know how shaped glass stacks with transcendence?
would it still half the shields, or attempt to half the one health and instead have no negative effect?

[full apex]

curse comes after hp and shield in stats

so youd get extra hp, hp becomes shield, set hp to 1, half to both so half shield and 0.5 hp

[last valve]

im at mitrix rn

ive only fought him 3 times before but i dont rly remember what to do

do u have any tips for him

?

[full apex]

fadeshock shared some pinned back here, i think they should be mostly relevant still as a started

[last valve]

ok ty

[echo pawn]

Which special ability is better for chef?

[last valve]

died to big spinny

sad

[full apex]

i prefer yes chef, its more fun and reminds me more of his ror1 playstyle, but to be fair that means i havent experimented a ton with sear
it resets the cooldowns on top of boosting the abilities, so it lets you spam stuff out more

[echo pawn]

okay thank you

[keen anchor]

How do i get engineer?

[lavish jacinth]

his unlock is to just complete 30 stages in total, isn't it?

so you'll just kinda get him after playing the game enough, assuming you're at least beating stage 1

[hasty acorn]

How long does a 20 stage run take ??

[lavish jacinth]

Depends, probably 2-3 hours

[hasty acorn]

Thank youuu

[quasi crystal]

Elixirs replenish upon them levelling up

Or on spawning either way elixirs are good

[lavish jacinth]

I remember elixir being really inconsistent, at least compared to how good they are on engie turrets

[quasi crystal]

Ah

[lavish jacinth]

I never got around to researching how exactly it behaves on them but it seems like eventually they'll completely run out

PSG and medkit have both worked really well for me though

[quasi crystal]

Stompers unironically

[lavish jacinth]

razorwire is also nice

[lavish jacinth]

actually true
lems love falling off cliffs

iirc Dio's also doesn't work at all, unless it was fixed

[quasi crystal]

I believe it just doesn't replenish

[lavish jacinth]

I know I did a few runs where I gave them multiple stacks of it and never saw them revive once

[full apex]

when they level up they get a new copy, so elixir means they keep getting new copies automatically

a good combo, at least rn, is abusing echo being broken.

give them shield via like psg, opals, and warped echo. it will make them very tanky and fall damage wont be as big of a deal

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, echo+psg would make them really strong

I bet unstable transmitter is actually pretty good on them too

[quasi crystal]

I think echo doesn't break opals

[lavish jacinth]

nah it does

[full apex]

opal helps a lot since if it breaks their shield they lose opal and shield

[lavish jacinth]

none of the out-of-danger effects get cancelled if the damage is split by echo

[full apex]

but if opal reduces so they dont take hp damage shield insta recharges and opal stays up.

[quasi crystal]

I got hit by a greater wisp and my opal stayed up I swear I'll test it later if you don't

[full apex]

its if the damage doesnt hit hp, so only shield or barrier

it also doesnt properly split in that case

[lavish jacinth]

it does stay up, that's what we're saying

[quasi crystal]

Oh I thought you were saying I was incorrect my bad lol

[lavish jacinth]

hang on, did you mean "break" as in the item doesn't work correctly, or as in the shield goes down, lol

[vivid summit]

Hi guys ihave a single question for you is worth get risk of rain for console now ?

[quasi crystal]

It doesn't cause the opal to break and need to recharge

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

the console versions have been fixed for a while now

[vivid summit]

Ok i just asked because im going to buy the game with the 2 expansions ihave been looking at this game for like 1 years i think

[lavish jacinth]

ah

yeah, they totally rebuilt the console versions last year

[vivid summit]

Ty god they fixed

[lavish jacinth]

there are some issues from the recent update but afaik it isn't really any worse than PC now

[abstract crest]

what's the point of looping? I did a run the other night and decided to change the destination and it just looked back to the beginning (I only know it's called looping cause of the achievement lol)

[lavish jacinth]

you might wanna wait on getting Seekers of the Storm though, at least until they finish patching it

[lavish jacinth]

mostly it's for getting more items before the final boss, or just for fun if you're into that

[quasi crystal]

It you don't want to end the run it's pretty simple there's a few unlocks tied to looping and a few loop exclusive content but really there's not much

3 stage variants 3 elites and an enemy you can technically see preloop but only on one stage rarely

I guess also a boss which again you can see preloop but very rarely

[hasty acorn]

Does the run continue after A Moment Whole?

[mental sorrel]

Nah

A moment whole is end all, no point of return

Unlike a moment fractured, where you have the celestial portal to exit thru

[remote stump]

Surely you just keep looping till it throws 6 overloading worms at a time at you

[quasi crystal]

Playing until nothing spawns on the teleporter is the only way to play

[lofty cedar]

did topaz brooch always not block the eclipse 8 on damage debuff?

[slim spoke]

it was never intended to do so

[ruby seal]

AS bandit mid-late game, how can you consistently stack Desperado stacks? Its always the rest of my items that kill the enemies/leave them at 10%.

[livid wedge]

Crowbars, probably

[ruby seal]

OHH right

I only have 1, I thought I had more

thank you

[daring cloak]

Runalds band iirc still procs desperado if you kill with it so try to focus on that to secure the kill with desperado

You can also try to get hemorrhage to tick the enemy low enough

[livid wedge]

explosion can also add additional stacks, I believe

Crowbars probably easiest simply because white item

[ruby seal]

Not really, as soon as I picked up runald, I stopped stacking desperados if it kills them

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't

behemoth is the only proc that can get desperado stacks, because it inherits damage type

[livid wedge]

It does count for the achievement, though

I think

[daring cloak]

Yes

Double standards smh

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the unlock has a grace period to allow for runald's band

but desperado works differently, it only looks for damage type

[livid wedge]

smh my head

[celest abyss]

does anyone know what equipment drone does with unused seed of life

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't work correctly

at least in singleplayer, they'll activate it too late and revive you after the death screen pops up

[celest abyss]

mmh

[lavish jacinth]

it'll let you move around on the death screen but I don't think you can do anything else, so you're basically still dead and have to reset

[celest abyss]

mmh

sounds funny

i forgot to pick my tricorn back up

[lavish jacinth]

rip

[full apex]

This isn't consistent, but for that exact reason it's not super worth banking on

Ive had them save me sometimes, and various levels of not. If you have a free seed and free drone it's definitely worth having vs not because it might save you, but outside multiplayer if you'd prefer to hold the seed yourself for guarantee that's better.

[flint galleon]

does shaped glass not apply to queen's gland? i have both and for some reason it's not displaying the halved health thing on the little sidebar healthbar of the beetle guard

[daring cloak]

Shaped glass only affects you

[flint galleon]

k

[daring cloak]

The bg doesnt have its own glass either

[ruby seal]

I haven't played RoR2 since October last year. Has anything been updated that changed gameplay?

Maybe some stat rework or similar?

[daring cloak]

No but those kinds of updates are in the works rn

[ruby seal]

ooo so it's exactly the same?

[daring cloak]

Gameplay wise yeah pretty much

Though the planned reworks do surround the entire dlc

First items and elites will get reworked
Then the false son fight
And then the 3 survivors

[ruby seal]

I've seen a bit of the dlc

Looks good, but I'm not sure if I should buy it

Seems like just extra stuff that could give the same effect as modding in a modpack

Is it worth it in you guys' opinion?

[flint prawn]

The stages and 2 of the 3 survivors are good but if you're undecided you can always wait

Items are in a really bad state though, not to mention the bugs(though the worst of them has been fixed)

I'm happy I did buy it but I'm probably biased so it's up to you in the end

[lavish jacinth]

imo it'd be best to wait until after they're done patching it, although we don't know how long that'll take

[ruby seal]

Ohh right, I did hear about that

Progress used to be resetted clean at some points, right?

[lavish jacinth]

uhh no, at least not intentionally

the only time I can think of it being done intentionally is when they added the gold border thing for completing e8

[daring cloak]

Oh no the save data wipe bugs were specifically from couch co op on xbox and playstation

[ruby seal]

I think it was a bug or I might be confusing it with another friend

[ruby seal]

Oh, that was it

Well, I will hold back on buying it till next update then

[lavish jacinth]

there was also a thing where updating the game set you to the newest ingame profile which made it look like you lost a ton of progress, but your old profile would still be there

[last valve]

what does shifting the primordial teleporter do

[daring cloak]

You will loop instead of going to the moon

[last valve]

like redo all the stages?

[daring cloak]

Ye

[last valve]

o ok

[daring cloak]

Though you might find some... different things

[lavish jacinth]

it won't necessarily be the same maps as before, and new loot will spawn

[last valve]

you think i should do it

what i have rn

[daring cloak]

Always a worthwhile experience

[lavish jacinth]

if you've never done it before then sure, why not

[last valve]

alr

[quasi crystal]

I mean it's really simple, the drone will only try to use the seed if it's threatened so it usually just activates it too late

[ruby seal]

you called?

[keen helm]

simulacrum tier list? Or top 3 for that gamemode?

[lavish jacinth]

Engineer and Void Fiend are pretty easily top 2, I don't play it enough to confidently pick a third though lol

[daring cloak]

For multiplayer captain

You can kill yourself each wave and abuse the revive mechanic to give yourself your beacons back every wave

[lavish jacinth]

Actually it's probably false son
because false son

[daring cloak]

Tru fs has pretty good tools to deal with the hordes of enemies

[lavish jacinth]

and he's just extremely strong in general

[quasi crystal]

Do u think seeker would do well

[keen helm]

what skills do you use on him?

[daring cloak]

Laser burst is pretty trash currently

[keen helm]

ill try him out

what items do you prioritise?

[daring cloak]

Ok hear me out on this one

[lavish jacinth]

false son works with damn near anything

[daring cloak]

Especially items that give high hp boosts

Growth is a very powerful mechanic

[lavish jacinth]

3.0 proc coeff on his charged primary, huge damage from the laser, great utility from his passive and secondary

he's so broken he manages to make bison steak a good item

[daring cloak]

He only really doesnt work well with transcendence

[ruby seal]

Does gummy clone has the same items as me? or just the base stats?

[lavish jacinth]

no items, but it gets 3x your base health and damage

[ruby seal]

hmm, Is it good for mithryx phase 3? or is it too weak to do anything?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, it kinda sucks ngl

[ruby seal]

rip

[lavish jacinth]

it can be sorta good on very early stages when you don't have many items anyway

and it might help when mithrix steals your items ig

[ruby seal]

^^that's phase 3 right?

[lavish jacinth]

usually people call it phase 4

[ruby seal]

Oh It was phase 4 then

that's the one I meant haha

[lavish jacinth]

ah

actually, goobo does have one good use, which is giving it to an equipment drone when you have

[ruby seal]

I currently don't have to help me cheese phase 4 so I was looking for alternatives

[lavish jacinth]

if you at least have a polyp, you don't need the vending machine, just repair some dead drones

[ruby seal]

nope, not even polyp

that's why I'm considering goobo

[lavish jacinth]

but otherwise, sticking to cover and slowly poking him to death is usually an option if you don't wanna fight him up close

[ruby seal]

Yea, I guess. Back to my early roots with bad rng

[ruby seal]

I remember this also happening last year when I played, but stage 5 seems to drop my fps a fuckton after around 10-20 mins of playing. I have no idea why it happens. I do have mods installed so that might be the reason(all of them are just QoL/info mods), just in case mods are not the problem, anyone has any idea why it happens?

Oh, found out what it was

it was the minimap, I toggled it off and all of the sudden, 60 fps

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, I've heard the minimap mod is awful for performance

especially on stage 5 for some reason

[ruby seal]

it could it be that it's bc the minimap is reading all of the asteroids

even if you turn off the neutral markers

[lavish jacinth]

probably

[ruby seal]

I might change the minimap for an improved radar mod

Yup, just in case someone else has the same problem, tell them to close and open the minimap with "M"

it fixes it

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[full apex]

theres a minimap mod
damn
that sounds OP as hell haha

assuming it shows loot locations

[ruby seal]

yes it is

I like it bc the feeling of leaving 1 chest behind is worse than the feeling of boredom caused by the minimap

[full apex]

fnuuy

[quasi crystal]

Is there a compass mod

[sand plume]

what is the earliest I can obliterate?

[lavish jacinth]

stage 8

[sand plume]

thanks ill keep that noted

whats the difference between bleed and hemorage does one do more damage?

[lavish jacinth]

bleed does 240% base damage over 3 seconds * proc coeff
hemorrhage does 2000% over 15 seconds
both can stack and reset their duration each time a new stack is applied

so yeah, hemorrhage is basically just stronger bleed

[sand plume]

oh wow cool

does that mean storing backup mags on bandit is actually viable?

[lavish jacinth]

sorta, but in most cases your primary and special will outdamage hemorrhage by quite a lot

[sand plume]

do you prefer rifle or shotgun?

i feel like rifle is more useful but idk if my game sense is any good

[lavish jacinth]

I like both personally, although most people hate the rifle for how bad the recoil is

it's mostly a playstyle difference, rifle obviously performs a lot better if you play at longer range

[sand plume]

i use rifle at close and far cause i dont notice the recoil and the damage hold up on range better

rn im thinking about getting the alt costume on artificer and im thinking for artifacts swarms and the same enemy one is gonna work out well. Cause i realized how good is with her

[lavish jacinth]

rifle does actually get slightly better proc dps, even up close

[lavish jacinth]

cube is great on anyone, easy top 5 equip imo

[sand plume]

and one more question how doe syringe effect bandit is it a faster reload?

[lavish jacinth]

give to an equipment drone for constant black hole

[sand plume]

my pick on command was always the preon gun but now my pick is leaning toward cube

[lavish jacinth]

are my go-tos, in no particular order

Cube also bullies mithrix

[sand plume]

what does and do?

[lavish jacinth]

card is more of a passive, it lets you take all 3 items from a multishop and gives a 10% refund on anything you buy

[sand plume]

oh thats cool

so i would assume you would want ghors tomb to go with that?

[lavish jacinth]

it costs 1 gold per shot (increases over time like chests do) and shoots faster the longer you let it fire, up to 15 shots per second for 1500% dps

[sand plume]

and you said it procs (witch is what sets off chance items im assuming)

[lavish jacinth]

honestly not really, from around stage 4 onwards, enemies drop enough gold that crowdfunder pays for itself as long as you don't leave it running when you don't need it

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

yep, and 15 shots per second once it's fully revved up

[sand plume]

so your basically guaranteed a proc on most things per second cool

yikes i can imagine that on commando with going crazy

oh yeah bleed minus well throw in a couple and maybe a if your lucky

[lavish jacinth]

well they said a guaranteed proc per second, which is pretty accurate

[sand plume]

welp ima go back to trying to get artificers alt skin surely nothing will go wrong

thanks for answering my questions

[lavish jacinth]

np

[sand plume]

mastery idk what PM is if its dlc i dont have it

[lavish jacinth]

Prime Meridian, it's the skins from the second dlc

[sand plume]

ah

i fumbled hard last game

them wisp chimeras get me almost everytime

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, they're nasty. More speed items might've been a good idea

and maybe more direct damage

[sand plume]

what does more direct damage on artifcer besides crowbars

all alt

wait no not all alt

i kept the charge orb thing cause i like that better

Yeah…

[nocturne apex]

You can't freeze the chimera wisp iirc

[sand plume]

i was playing swarms and one enemy type per stage

[nocturne apex]

I don't think I ever recall they can be frozen tho

[sand plume]

lunar chimeras can be froze all of them

[lavish jacinth]

procs are still effective even though her proc rates aren't amazing, is always a good choice. And ofc

I probably should've said single target damage

[sand plume]

i had but gave up for a dios best friend

not my brightest move since i died anyways….twice

on the same phase

[lavish jacinth]

you've got a lot of crowd control items but not much that helps against single enemies, which you definitely want for mithrix

and arti's already got good AoE built in

[sand plume]

ima be real i thought would’ve been enough to bully him

[lavish jacinth]

it can, but you still need to back it up with damage

and you've gotta kill the wisps too ofc

[sand plume]

Yeah i forgot about that phase

[lavish jacinth]

did you have btw?

[sand plume]

So for singe damage ?

[sand plume]

no but i should have knowing what it does

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you had a lot of on-kills

[sand plume]

yeah the plan was group them up and just bam them all at once (irrelevant considering the doll wouldve done that too)

[lavish jacinth]

that sort of stuff, yeah. Anything that'll let you directly deal damage to a target

[sand plume]

i think i had preon

definitely hold on to tho right? Just one stack tends to go crazy

[hardy whale]

Can someone tell me if the Seed of Life equipment is affected by MUL-T’s ability swap?

[lavish jacinth]

if you want, I don't care for it personally but some people swear by it. If you can keep your barrier going consistently then it's probably worth it

[hardy whale]

Like if I were to change my current equipment (Seed of Life) to the other one, and I died, would I still get revived?

[lavish jacinth]

it only works if it's being actively held, it won't activate if it's in your offhand

[hardy whale]

okay thank you

[sand plume]

oh yeah if you have soul and sacrifice do the second wisps also have the chance to drop an item?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[sand plume]

kk thx

[full apex]

drop chance is tied to their reward amount, since they arent spawned by a director they give no reward, so no drops

[fleet tinsel]

do the hayclon shrines not show up on drizzle? im trying to test some stuff with false son and couldnt find any of them on my loops

[full apex]

difficulty shouldnt affect interactable spawns

[lavish jacinth]

shrine spawns are weird though, they seem way more common on stage 1 than anywhere else

but you can also use lunar seers to get to the alt path, if you've got coins to spare

[keen oriole]

How do I “unlock” sale stars with artifact of command?

Because where it should be is locked and I can’t use them

[nocturne apex]

Did you have the SoTS DLC?

Did you have the SoTS DLC enabled?

[ruby seal]

is it still good to stack proc items like and as Bandit? Since the shotgun doesn't deal that much dmg and it doesn't have much fire rate either, I haven't been stacking up on printers that I find

[full apex]

proc chain items are always good

they are simply so powerful that even on low proc stuff they can carry with enough of them. also bandit shotty is pretty decent still

[ruby seal]

got it

[nocturne apex]

Yes

If you are using shotgun consider plasma shrimp tho

[ruby seal]

I've had bad luck with void items haha

On 5 runs, I only got it once. The rest have only been tougher times

[sand plume]

does stop fall damage im considering this cause im playing artificer

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[sand plume]

k thanks this should be fun when i drop from orbit

was i bazzar between time and had 5 green scrap

how do i activate it says interact button but isnt That my jetpack

[lavish jacinth]

the same button you press to open chests and stuff

[sand plume]

oh thanks got it brain fart

[ruby seal]

Marked for death's proc requirements are 4 DIFFERENT effects or can it be, for example, 4 bleeding?

[nocturne apex]

Nope

Has to be 4 unique debuffs

[ruby seal]

Oof, so unless you get 4-3 specific items, it's kinda useless, huh?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

death mark has a tendency to either be really strong or completely useless with almost no in-between

[novel cradle]

guys what is the artifact code found in wisp research, i mean i found it but i just can't put it because idk how to read it

[true bolt]

Yooo I’m new to this game it looks like my kind of game any tips or advice before i start?

[lavish jacinth]

there are some general tips pinned here if you scroll down a bit

[ruby seal]

you'll probably die a lot since you don't know synergies or how to combine good items. Try to have the wiki at hand to know what each item does since descriptions DO NOT help sometimes (I'm looking at you, )

[nocturne apex]

Just play the game, get a feel of it

Don't know anything just ask here

[lavish jacinth]

^

there's a lot of stuff you'll pick up on quickly just by playing

[quasi crystal]

Ukelele has a great description

[true bolt]

Is looter shoot?

[lavish jacinth]

enigma

[true bolt]

Dungeon crawler

[quasi crystal]

Also I'm pretty sure the game now tells you what an item does in the inventory tab

[lavish jacinth]

and there's the new inspect item thing

[quasi crystal]

Does ukele have the shortest item description

[lavish jacinth]

it's a roguelike horde looter shooter

[ruby seal]

Yup, I agree with that, however, I'd suggest you don't ask general questions such as "What do I need to build with X character?". Instead go for "I feel like X character is not dealing damage/surviving/having trouble moving around, what should I build to help for that?"

[quasi crystal]

Or would that be bison steak

[ruby seal]

Electric description ofc

[ruby seal]

And Psychological horror past 120 minute mark

[full apex]

theres a lot of good tips pinned in here

[lavish jacinth]

true

[quasi crystal]

Yeah can't argue with hopoo

[sand plume]

alr ima send a shot shoud i go for mithrix or for the obliterate

command is not on

[nocturne apex]

No speed item

[nocturne apex]

Can be rough if you try to fight Mith with no speed

[nocturne apex]

Uh dude you posted the same pic 3 in a row

You're okay?

[fleet tinsel]

do hayclon shrines come back if you dont take the second/third green portal

[sand plume]

it sent thrice sorry it showed up as didnt send

[nocturne apex]

Yes

[sand plume]

dont have dlc

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, speed could be better but you've got solid damage

and Ion surge

[sand plume]

i spend my time in air and every once and awhile crashing down with the headfirst thingie

[nocturne apex]

you do not wanna be in the air during Mithrix phase 3

[sand plume]

so go for obliterate?

[nocturne apex]

Pizza can still hit you midair and Lunar Wisp will spawn

[lavish jacinth]

you can, but you have to be aware of big spinny

but spinny does have a pattern that you can predict

he won't use it if he's over 75%hp, and afterwards he'll always alternate between spinny and the big ground shockwave attack

and they share a 30 second cooldown iirc

so as long as you keep that in mind you'll be fine, with some practice you get a feel for when he's about to do spinny

[nocturne apex]

But still it is very risky to be high up bc you can make Lunar Wisp spawns in

[ruby seal]

Big spinny is easier the closer you are to Mithryx btw

don't be afraid to get close to him

[lavish jacinth]

yup

[ruby seal]

just don't start hugging him lol

YOOO WHOS THAT CHARACTER

He looks awesome, reminds me of this guy

[nocturne apex]

Void Fiend, SoTV DLC character

[lavish jacinth]

void fiend

[ruby seal]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-weapons-guy-gif-15314420453351612161

[nocturne apex]

Clay Templar

[fleet tinsel]

ive just been repeteadly looping trying to get gold portal hayclon shrine

[ruby seal]

Nice, I've never played him since I've been playing them in order

[ruby seal]

I what?

[lavish jacinth]

anyway
i'd say you could totally fight mithrix with that, but if you're not confident go for obliteration instead

[nocturne apex]

Usually they can spawn in stage 1 or Hatchery

[sand plume]

deff gonna obliterate instead i got my ass handed to me earlier

more confident with swarms of one enemy type with how arti is built

what if it picked lunar wisp as the enemy for commencement holy crap i woulda been screwed

[ruby seal]

Remember to get Beans of fealty!

[sand plume]

just tryna obliterate not reach a moment whole

[fleet tinsel]

i got my first one on a stage 1 after my and rn im on my seventh

[lavish jacinth]

you could've skipped pillars at least, but mithrix would've been rough

[nocturne apex]

no speed Mith is super rough

[sand plume]

by spamming that one a ability i have?

never thought of that

[nocturne apex]

Yeah you can spam ion surge to skip pillars

[lavish jacinth]

it's like the free-est pillar skip in the game

[sand plume]

i thought vase was the freeset

[lavish jacinth]

nah, because then you have to use your equipment slot for it

[sand plume]

welp im off to try to get that mastery wish me luck

OH WAIT

if i have a blue portal do i still gotta shift the primordial teleporter

[lavish jacinth]

nah, the blue portal will always loop

[hexed jewel]

how do i make enemies spawn on bulwarks ambry bruh nothing spawning for 10 minutes

[fleet tinsel]

FINALLY got it on hatchery thanks matey

[sand plume]

alr thanks

[lavish jacinth]

pick up the artifact key and interact with the sphere thing in the middle

[last valve]

whats a good way to do this

[hexed jewel]

theres no artifact keys on the ground

[nocturne apex]

Backup mags printer

Find a very damn tanky elite boss

Win

[hexed jewel]

its at half health rn and nothing spawning

[lavish jacinth]

oh you already started it

[sand plume]

im so fn stupid oh my gosh

[lavish jacinth]

couple backup mags, lights out, stab alloy worship unit a bunch

[hexed jewel]

yes so how do i fix

[sand plume]

i went to pick up an item and i got hit by every mushroom on the map….

[lavish jacinth]

which artifact are you doing?

[sand plume]

jeezz💀

[hexed jewel]

i have all artifacts but i have command sacrifice and swarms on stage 56 (i heard its bad to use artifacts past 4th loop)

[sand plume]

welp rewind time

[nocturne apex]

They were very late into the run fyi

[hexed jewel]

Only here cuz i want the environment logs

[lavish jacinth]

....ah.

yeeeeeah, when you do really long runs like that, spawns start to break

and bulwark's ambry is notoriously bad about it

[hexed jewel]

so does it just not spawn anything

and im stuck here forever

[lavish jacinth]

if you wait long enough it probably will

[nocturne apex]

Yeah I would say do not even try to do artifacts past the 4th loop next time

Keep waiting ig

[hexed jewel]

just tabbed out and 1 scavaneger spawned, no key

[lavish jacinth]

welcome to hell

[hexed jewel]

i want the damn environment log tho

[nocturne apex]

You're going to be there for a very very damn while

So uh, binge yt or smth

[hexed jewel]

😢

[last valve]

i havent gotten flawless yet

[ruby seal]

Is there any way to destroy void items? I accidentally picked up singularity band and I'm very ashamed of myself

[last valve]

i tried to yesterday but wasnt able to

[hexed jewel]

Yall know which bulwarks ambry log i need though

[nocturne apex]

Do that, backup mags are hella good

Easiest way is to turn on Glass and survive

[last valve]

a ok

[nocturne apex]

Wisp Research variant

[hexed jewel]

got it already

[nocturne apex]

No?

[lavish jacinth]

not really
egocentrism can eat them, that's pretty much it

[hexed jewel]

next page over

[ruby seal]

aw dang it, this happens when I get too hasty

[nocturne apex]

Wait

[lavish jacinth]

it's aphelian research then

[hexed jewel]

Isnt that the one next to void locus

[nocturne apex]

Yeah aphelian research

[hexed jewel]

can u show pic of it pls

[hexed jewel]

Ty

[nocturne apex]

Void band isn't that rly bad tbh

Now stack Gas and Wisp : >

[ruby seal]

On bandit, it kinda is

I lose 2 insta dps items for a single one

Oh well, I got AoE atleast

[nocturne apex]

At least you can stunlock Mithrix for a good while lol

[lavish jacinth]

it does sort of synergize with behemoth and his revolver ig? since the explosion can get desperado tokens and reset cooldowns, and the band damage is less likely to steal the kill. But you could also just use primordial cube for that

[ruby seal]

yee, let's just hope I don't get

[nocturne apex]

Tentabauble is good

Another stunlock for Mithrix

[ruby seal]

yea I know, but that would render the band useless a bit

Bandit's Shotty already procs really often

[keen oriole]

Omg no I didn’t time to buy a dlc 🤑🤑🤑🤑

[nocturne apex]

Ye that's what I thought

just buy it lol

[lavish jacinth]

fair warning, you might wanna wait until SotS gets patched before you buy it

sale star is cool but the dlc has a lot of other problems, there are some updates in the works for it but we don't know when they'll be

[keen oriole]

I’d rather have 50 legendaries come out of legendary chests when I have art of command and have bugs than have 1 legendary come out of a legendary chest and not have bugs

[lavish jacinth]

I'm not gonna stop you, just letting you know lol
(also sale star can only give up to 4 bonus items jsyk)

[hexed jewel]

Man im boutta just properave bulwarks ambry and left the monsters kill me so i can see my stats after this bruh im not waiting longer

[keen oriole]

FU-

[last valve]

whats glass

[lavish jacinth]

artifact of glass

or a couple stacks of

[last valve]

oh

shaped glass

[nocturne apex]

You are gonna die in 1 hit anyways so no harm in turning it on for no hit challenges

[last valve]

m

[lavish jacinth]

artifact of glass gives you 5x damage but only 10% health, it's basically like having 2-3 stacks of shaped glass built in

either way works

[nocturne apex]

One does not need you to spend lunar donuts

[last valve]

btw if you take fall dmg i wont get flawless

[nocturne apex]

well duh

[last valve]

breh i cant do ts

[lavish jacinth]

it takes some practice, but you'll get it

[remote stump]

Sale stars meant to stack?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, stacking it gives a chance for more bonus items

although the ingame description of +5% chance per stack is pretty misleading

[remote stump]

Ty xx

[true bolt]

@lavish jacinth this game is fun af 107mins and 17 bosses later 😂

[lavish jacinth]

yeah it's addictive lol

[true bolt]

I got 20 achievements in one match

I’ve never felt so validated

[nocturne apex]

me casually getting 57 unlocks on the first run on a fresh save

but ye ur a gamer alr

[full apex]

i threw this together at some point too, has avg expected items and the increase from stacking.

the first 3 are the most impactful by far, and then the stacking value falls off dramatically

+1, +0.35, +0.22 average bonus items, then like 0.05-0.07 for a while and only gets lower as its stacked. so contrary to what it may seem at first, stacking all on one player in multiplayer is much worse than evenly distributing them.

[hexed jewel]

@nocturne apex remember earlier abt bulwarkrs ambry

im on it again, same map. still taking me forever

[keen oriole]

Okay so just get 255 stars easy

[hexed jewel]

imma just let the enemies kill me hopefully i dont auto kill him just so i can see my stats from the run cuz im not tryna do ts again, cant even leave fr

[hexed jewel]

[keen oriole]

Yeah lol or just cheat mods

[hexed jewel]

yea

im doing command rn, cant escape bulwarks ambry

[keen oriole]

lol

I’m going for bungus

Bungus only huntress speedrun

Would go crazy

[hexed jewel]

engineer

bro i actually cant die and im tryna end this run but im stuck in bulwarks ambry its so annoying

[lavish jacinth]

well, you could quit and gamble on run history actually working

[hexed jewel]

I finally

beat it.. i had to get the artifact key into the thing in like a second to get them all

[remote stump]

I think at 255 stacks its like 95% chance for 5 items too, just thought that was interesting

[full apex]

thats how high i mapped it

avg item value is ~4.95

it breaks 4.9 at 154 stacks, and if 4.5 avg is enough thats only 51

but at 51 the 5 item chance is 63% so not super consistent for like gold chests.

90% 5 is 162 stacks

so like
if you wanted to go SUPER hard, 150 is probably fine as an upper limit.

[remote stump]

Good to know 🤣 just imagining 5 pre much guaranteed red drops with command on

By the time you get 150 sale stars tho you should be loaded

And you could just swap them at the bazaar for like 30 reds too 😂

[full apex]

tbh its just like.... not worth it...

if you have command, regen scrap is a significantly better investment. 25 greens and you can get 5 reds every stage with the bazaar

[remote stump]

Tbf, I only learned scrap had a use with command like yesterday

[full apex]

ig you could use sale star on big chests for lotta greens for more sale star, but you could also just like get ukes and atgs and win the damage race lmao

or sonorous and call it a day

[remote stump]

Does it use or take Regen scrap when you swap at bazaar?

[full apex]

yea cauldrons prioritize scrap

regen scrap is prioritized over other scrap as well

[remote stump]

Sonorous whispers goes off with monsters drop items 😂 , and just prioritied like doesn't Regen?

Makes sense for it not to if it's not used in a printer

[full apex]

sorry?

i dun understand lol

[remote stump]

Doesn't Regen scrap come back next stage when you use in printer?

[full apex]

yea, any time its used

so cauldrons give the used up version too, which recharges when you leave

[remote stump]

That's what my question was x if it gets used up or regens from bazaar

[remote stump]

That's awesome!

Saved a bit of testing for me too ty

[full apex]

it regens upon entering and leaving (technically just any time you change scene)

[remote stump]

Id imagine dying probs works then too 🙂

Like if you have a revive

It also resets sale stars if you didn't know 🙂

Now just to workout how to suicide in the bazaar for infinite items on command

[full apex]

oh interesting, i didnt think dying worked but i havent paid attention haha

ig dying in solo usually just ends the run unless youve got a 1up haha

[remote stump]

Revive seems to count as entering the stage for the first time 🙂

[full apex]

i know like caps beacons reset. which is pretty funny

[remote stump]

The new equipment revives too if you have sots

[remote stump]

I prefer stacking afterburners with the second utility skill

Just for how funny it is to essentially nuke the bosses on spawn

Usually end up killing a friend if it's on coop tho 😑😂

[full apex]

if you wanna experience exceptionally silly diablo strats and havent already, get full uptime with and , and use them to print bandolier drops

with perfect uptime you get 3 kills/s effectively, so you dont even need many stacks of bandolier to get tons of satchels. and each one is a full diablo recharge lol

[remote stump]

Haha yeah that's a good strat

I usually play with command on so it's not too hard for me to stack his abilities

[full apex]

yea
with the bandolier thing you dont need to use afterburger much either, its kinda enough by itself to spam as much as you want

1 stack for the CDR is still nice but the stocks arent as important. leaves room to do other fnuuy stuff. like meathook procs on bandolier are quite silly. any procs really

if you have SotS, diablo easily maxes runic meteor even at just one stack haha. it pushes capping even on the outer half with the falloff being 1/4th damage

its funny, the damage hard cap is 7.5k and on the outer portion its barely shy of that. so the change from sweetspot almost doesnt matter for meteor lol

(why does it have a cap tho gbx pls )

[remote stump]

Bandolier and afterburners go really well together yoo

[quasi crystal]

What survivor has the worst base stats, not skills or passives just stats

[slim spoke]

i think huntress?

[quasi crystal]

I think so, she has higher damage than mul t tho

[remote stump]

Ik arti with lightning has fairly low proc

[full apex]

huntress is the only char with a base hp down, and nothing to show for it.

here i dont think i missed anything

red is down from base, green is up from base.

mult has a small damage down but armor and hp up, seeker has regen down but armor and hp up, heretic ofc is wack apart from degen. i forgot her base speed up actually lol. huntress is health down and no stat increases, coupled with her multipliers being pretty bad her damage is also the lowest despite her base being the same (though for like tesla coil its just base)

a ton of chars just have all base stats

[glacial knoll]

mult is the tankiest char and all he gets is 8.3% less damage

[full apex]

yea lol. also the only armor up char with not 20 armor (though he gets a ton from skills so)

he's a base stats anomaly

although FS completely breaking form on regen is pretty funny. probably meant to be high base, since he has high base lvl scaling, but compensated down for spikes

[glacial knoll]

false sons level stats are just wrong across the board aren't they

[full apex]

iirc he actually has 0.8 base attack speed too which is kinda silly, i think with base spikes at max he gets 0.96

[glacial knoll]

he gets to 1 but yeah that also confuses me a bit

does his passive cap at -0.2 or does he just have 0.8 as base i'll go check ig

[full apex]

180/54 is on ratio, 13/2 is wrong tho yea should be 2.6

[flint galleon]

never knew merc had armor, though it makes sense since doesnt have many defensive options aside from the invincibility of his default primary

[glacial knoll]

it's just kind of given to melee chars by default

[full apex]

yea basically all melee chars have armor

the exception being REX, presumably to make his health shenans more manageable, and now seeker cause idk

[glacial knoll]

the melee bruiser character that's at the same range as huntress really

[full apex]

this is what i had logged for FS AS stuff
- It looks like his base attack speed is 0.8, which means with the bonus from the starting 4 spikes it only goes to 0.96; 1 spike short of 1. Not sure if this was intentional, if the spike amount was changed from 5 to 4 at some point, or its an off by one error. Also means by default his spike attack speed buff isnt actually a buff, but rather puts him closer to the normal baseline AS of 1. The other affected stats all start at the usual baseline and increase from there.

[glacial knoll]

baseAttackSpeed is really 0.8

[full apex]

yea its weird

[glacial knoll]

and it does say this

[full apex]

idk why spikes are compensating towards base by default when all other spike stats are purely beneficial. and on top of that doesnt even properly hit 1 at base.

feels weird which is why i reported it lol

[glacial knoll]

wrong levelDamage and wrong baseRegen is also just really odd idk how that could've happened

to my understanding a lot of characters have "auto do level stats" checked why does he not have that

[full apex]

base regen scaling lines up with the 2.5 base on melee chars

so i assumed hes meant to have 'melee' base regen but the actual base 2.5 is compensated to 1 for spikes

but thats just a theory since 0.5 matches 2.5

[glacial knoll]

I can't imagine they'd nerf the damage but maybe it was an attempt to scale it properly with lunar spikes but it's such weird way to do it

Why not just have it be consistent and then like, idk the attacks are slower so they scale with 1.16 attack speed

or just have bad regen since he gets insane regen from spikes yknow

Like it works it's just not clean

[full apex]

yea
his stats being a mess i assume is just from spikes. they might have been juggling them around or smth during dev and this was what we ended on?.

[glacial knoll]

why not 10 armor if he gets 10 extra armor from spikes yknow idk

he's unpolished is the answer I assume but I doubt they'd change it much

[full apex]

i might just be a stickler but i dont like when the base stats break free from the common ratio.. i felt that way about mod stuff too usually. i just like it being consistent

now that im thinking about it i wonder if they made prayer beads weird asf instead of just using the base level scaling because 2/3 the sots chars break the ratio?

although, if they just modified level in recalcstats then it would already be accounted for so maybe it was just coding shenans.

[glacial knoll]

i think it's executed excessively weirdly but like it works

for the most part

Like Acrid will get more damage from prayer beads than like mando

[full apex]

i dont really see any reason prayer beads couldnt just store equivalent level ups and then in recalcstats wherever level is used just add it. would make mod stats work fine and fix stat smuggling jank, which is a bit funny but i dont assume intentional

[glacial knoll]

yeah any sane person would just do that

[full apex]

saves all the extra methods and stuff too

having a simpler execution might have helped avoid the stack when removed jankery too

but we'll never know. just have to see what they cook in the patch (waiting eagerly...)

[glacial knoll]

nah that's just wrong number taken

[full apex]

yea
they have what would work in recalcstats but then use a different method that doesnt get passed that

like the way they check if any beads have been removed would have how many were removed included, but instead the stat method just recalcs based on current inventory

[glacial knoll]

it's just getitemcount instead of "previously highest bead count"

if you just changed one value it's fixed

[full apex]

fnuy progrming

[glacial knoll]

they already have the number that's the insulting part

[full apex]

yea

thats what makes it extra

[glacial knoll]

so does growth just not care about leveling up

[full apex]

i dont think so

if i recall it gets bonus health by removing base and level bonus

which is also why it doesnt include shield?.

i think thats correct
i cant really rember rn

like i think trance fucks your growth right?

[glacial knoll]

i have yet to play this character I was under the assumption you'd scale naturally

instead of actually just relying on a diet of the 3 max health items

[full apex]

yea im p sure its just items. though it would be nice if shield was included, so psg/shrimp worked, and trance wasnt so rough

otherwise its what
theres steak and infusion, and then multiplier stuff like nectar, tonic, or pearls?

hp up isnt prevalent

[glacial knoll]

mostly just hear steak and stone flux

[full apex]

oh right stux lol

[glacial knoll]

i don't know what this even means

[full apex]

the speed is just so

[glacial knoll]

It's insulting that it's in an Update() function

[full apex]

i feel there is a simpler way

but i would have to think more to be positive lol im slepy rn

[glacial knoll]

yeah max bonus health above 0, calculate it every time recalc stats is called

certainly not every frame comparing my current health as to the frame before it

and then in addition checking if I even have any hp up items

[full apex]

classic

[analog brook]

Hey Charlotte, I always see you post charts and spreadsheets like this but do you like share them anywhere, is there a place where I can view them? Or do you just make them and keep them to yourself unless the topic calls for it to be brung up

[quasi crystal]

I think she posts them to fandom

[nocturne pivot]

What’s the item I pair with sea shell and the please forgive me vodoo doll to have more dolls?

[daring cloak]

With sea shell do you mean sonorous whispers, the item that can drop items on elite kills?

Because forgive me please doesnt count as elite or boss kills and therefore wont drop you more items

[nocturne pivot]

No what I mean is forgive me please procs on kill items right then sea shell for the automatic use and cool down but I was trying to get more chargers of the doll to where I had 99 dolls I remember I had a build where I was walking around dropping dolls everywhere constantly proccing it I just forgot cause I haven’t played in a min

[daring cloak]

Oh gesture lmao

[nocturne pivot]

Can I even get that item I don’t remember it and I don’t got the newest DLC

[peak jacinth]

it’s not a dlc item

[daring cloak]

Gesture of the drowned is a base game lunar item that you need to unlock

So you most likely havent unlocked it yet

[nocturne pivot]

No I meant soulbound

[daring cloak]

Soulbound is also base game

I forgot what its unlock condition was so you probably already have it unlocked

[peak jacinth]

it’s not dlc but you need to activate 8 different newt altars across all runs

[gleaming mirage]

does someone know what items i need on acrid so the mithrix fight don't take ages ?

[lavish jacinth]

multipliers like benefit poison pretty nicely. and ofc he still benefits from stuff like crit and procs like anyone else, unless you insist on ONLY dealing damage with poison and never attack mithrix directly

[full apex]

For the most part I just hold on to them in my personal collection, I think i shared a backup of my main sheet at some point?

The only reason im sometimes hesitant to just randomly drop the whole thing, is there's some stuff in there that's more experimental or maybe outdated since the sheet is very old lol. A lot is straightforward but I don't have disclaimers or anything since it was initially just set up to be mine

[analog brook]

Ahh that's fair

[full apex]

Im considering having a share link to the live version though because right after sharing the backup I ended up adding the missing shattering/scorpion page and that one is pretty funny

Most of the pages make sense. Might just be a good idea for me to clean up my own stuff anyways lol

[full apex]

When the item was introduced there was no doll limit, which could cause some serious lag, so it was pretty quickly nerfed to only have a max of 3 out at a time. Idk if that's what you meant

If you had a setup right after it was added then you can't get it to be quite that powerful anymore (though 3 at a time is still pretty good)

[brittle imp]

does ocular hud effect railgunner?

[daring cloak]

Yes but it would get turned into 50% more damage from crits

[brittle imp]

ah alr! thank you!

[pale jacinth]

why did bulwarks ambry disappear/still marked as ? from my logbook even after i got the environment log 😔

[glacial knoll]

ambry variants had bugged logs in previous versions make sure you're up to date

[pale jacinth]

it says im on the latest version atm

at least playstation says that

[glacial knoll]

it wasn't on the changelog so maybe it was like a pc only fix they missed

[livid wedge]

That last update didn't fix the logs on ps as far as I played

[daring cloak]

I couldnt imagine something like that being system specific

[livid wedge]

For the variants

[daring cloak]

That would make no sense

[glacial knoll]

different builds made at different times by a team not known to be yknow great

[livid wedge]

Did it fix on other systems?

[pale jacinth]

so theres no fix atm?

[glacial knoll]

guess not on console at least

[daring cloak]

Well time to check if I can get those logs

[pale jacinth]

i love life 😐

[daring cloak]

Speedrun

[livid wedge]

I'd try but I literally started bg3 back up

[pale jacinth]

does it have to be a specific bulwarks ambry location? its always showed a specific variant of it instead of all of them

[daring cloak]

Well yeah of course each variant unlocks the log specific to it

[pale jacinth]

so do i have to collect them all for the one log 😰

[glacial knoll]

it's 4 logs in the logbook

unless you mean you don't have sotv, and you found a sotv variant, which is a different bug because you shouldn't have those

and the sotv variant log isn't in the logbook

sots not sotv

[pale jacinth]

i have the void dlc and im only missing 2 environment logs and ones verdant falls the other is bulwarks so idk if it groups all of bulwarks into one for me or what

[glacial knoll]

Seekers added 3 variants but you can get all those variants without Seekers. You got to find the "Default variant" because only that one is in your log book

[pale jacinth]

😭

do certain artifacts spawn with certain versions of ambry or is it rng everytime despite the artifact

[glacial knoll]

1 / 4 chance

guess if you ever do get seekers you at least have the other logs already

[pale jacinth]

this is gonna make me go insane i swear

[ruby seal]

For good Railgunner AOE, do I just need A LOT of gasoline?

or are there alternatives

[lavish jacinth]

any AoE items work, ukulele notably goes really well with the high coeffs on her specials

[ruby seal]

Nice, thanks

[ruby seal]

What can I do in these kind of situations? It has happened pretty often. I get to stage 3-4 with very little damage and proc items. Printers are not helpful either

[lavish jacinth]

well, the bazaar, void fields and loops are always options

but sometimes you just have to suffer

[ruby seal]

[nocturne apex]

they would likely die if they try Vields….

[ruby seal]

Well I do have and to carry me through the rest of the game

I could do something with this run

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you do at least have that one good combo going for you

[ruby seal]

Ofc wandering Vagrant destroyed all 7 squids

[lavish jacinth]

rip

[ruby seal]

yea I ended up exploding too

Railgunner with no AOE is hell

[rancid jewel]

whats engis laser turrets proc coe?

[lavish jacinth]

0.6

[rancid jewel]

😔

[sand plume]

hey fax if your on just gonna say thanks

i got the mastery i had some good runs end to pure overconfidence but i did it anyway

probably couldnt have done it without the questions you answered for me that soldiers syringe was a gamechanger

[lavish jacinth]

np, and congratulations!

[sand plume]

probably gonna do bandit next

[rancid jewel]

are elder lemurians supposed to spawn with sotv dlc on in grove??

[wide parrot]

yes

[quasi crystal]

No the game shouldn't pick that spawn pool but spawns are fucked rn

[quasi crystal]

Misinformation is awesome

[rancid jewel]

no wonder i got grovetender on stage one

[quasi crystal]

Grovetenders should only appear stage 1 by looping

[leaden torrent]

a question: what are the spawn rules for the green portal shrine? did a run earlier, didn't find it for 20-ish stages, ended up just going to voidling

[steady stone]

They can spawn on stages 1-3 (including after loop)

so like 1-3, 6-8, etc, assuming no extra stages

[leaden torrent]

hm, maybe just bad luck or skill issue with eyes then

ty

[remote stump]

is that the same for the shrine tho?

ive managed to get to the green stages other ways after looping but havent seen the new shrine once after a loop

[steady stone]

based on what i've seen on the wiki page, i'd assume it just includes the shrine?
this is the whole page https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Halcyon_Shrine

[quasi crystal]

Dunno if you already added this but they can spawn on helminth hatchery too

[buoyant breach]

In your opinion What is the best and worst character and why?

[peak jacinth]

Best: Loader, insanely high damage, mobility, and survivability

Worst: CHEF, basically just has nothing going for it

[buoyant breach]

I agree with loader
but i dont have sots so with void fiend and railgunner aswell as the base character what would you say is the worst

[peak jacinth]

if we’re talking no dlc, then it’s huntress, she has good mobility, but really poor damage and she’s fairly frail.

[daring cloak]

There isnt really one

[peak jacinth]

but Huntress is actually still fine

she’s not unplayable to any degree

[buoyant breach]

In my opinion artifcicer is the worst

[daring cloak]

All survivors are at least good even those that require very different strategising

[buoyant breach]

Yes of course

[peak jacinth]

yep

[buoyant breach]

But just in general who has the least good or worst things going for them and thier abilities

[peak jacinth]

she’s got good damage, and she can cheat in multiple ways. Probably on the lower end of power, but definitely not the worst

[buoyant breach]

How can she cheat?

[daring cloak]

Statistically you could say rex is the worst for being the least intuitive and requiring more adjustment than the other survivors but in a practical sense it really comes down to your own playstyle

[peak jacinth]

freezing mithrix, making 90% of enemies not be able to hit you through ion surge

[daring cloak]

Amazing crowd control

[buoyant breach]

Yes i agree

Are there any things i need to know about in sotv?

[daring cloak]

Not really

[peak jacinth]

voidtouched (purple) enemies can pretty much instakill you, so you need to prioritize them

[daring cloak]

Sotv does a good job at teaching you its content through experiencing it

[peak jacinth]

that’s true

[buoyant breach]

ok good to know

[neat relic]

They survived in the void

[buoyant breach]

Thanks and have a good day (if you have anything else to say just ping me)

[buoyant breach]

I'm very suprised by that fact will makke sure to experience it aswell

[neat relic]

Amazing

[buoyant breach]

Lol

gooday

[bold adder]

does anyone know what mod adds this equipment? it spawns a nuke

[lavish jacinth]

That might be a better question for #ror2-modding

[dusky raven]

If you haven’t gotten an answer tho it’s the Bomber character mod I believe

[pulsar nova]

Mando probably

[echo pawn]

For Mul-t what primary and misc should I use?

[lavish jacinth]

which special are you using?

[echo pawn]

which special is better cause im trying to get the power mode one

[lavish jacinth]

powermode is really strong, but retool is still good

yeah I don't think so, since it's technically an invisible burn DoT and not direct damage

anyway, all of mul-t's primaries are pretty solid too so it comes down to preference

nailgun is usually going to be your workhorse though, unless you're doing double rebar/retool

powermode does have an important quirk where the accuracy of the primary weapon will affect the secondary, so keep that in mind if you end up unlocking and using it

iirc no, pennies only proc from enemy damage

[daring cloak]

No unless you get someone else to use it

But when you get someone else like an equipment drone to use it that thing is a fucking insane money generator

[lavish jacinth]

like, nailgun + rebar will give you a rebar puncher that never hits anything because it has the accuracy of a nailgun
but rebar + nailgun will give you a much more accurate nailgun

powersaw + nailgun is notably a really strong combo since you get the high dps of saw plus a perfectly accurate nailgun, with the tradeoff of not having a good ranged attack when powermode isn't active

that's only with powermode tho. With retool it's hard to go wrong, his weapons are good at different things with different pros and cons, so just try each one and pick ones you like

[ruby seal]

Do the kills from proc items count?

[daring cloak]

No clue but it doesnt really matter

[ruby seal]

Asking bc I've been killing more than 3 and they haven't given me the achievement

[daring cloak]

Just get 3 beetles, line them up, charge your shot, jump and shoot

[daring cloak]

3 at the same time?

[ruby seal]

yup

4 actually

2 were killed by ukulele's proc

[livid wedge]

You honestly just use it on 3 beetles on stage 1, yeah

[ruby seal]

damn it, I've been trying but the little bastards scatter either when I'm loading the shot or when I fire it

https://medal.tv/games/ror-2/clips/jaJOqRowIxX5Tc8RC?invite=cr-MSxDUkgsMTM2MDQxMTI0LA Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

[daring cloak]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Modded issue maybe?

[ruby seal]

Hmm could be, lemme try on the unmodded game

[daring cloak]

If its not an issue with mods I have no clue whats wrong there

Except for the unlock not unlocking

[ruby seal]

mod issue, u were right, thank you

[copper sable]

use black hole equipment it makes it much easier

[ruby seal]

nah it was easy. Mods were breaking the achievement

[copper sable]

ah ok

[tender temple]

wow its just like mods preventing isaac unlocks even if its a goddamn soundtrack mod

[quasi crystal]

what mod would do that lol

[lavish jacinth]

it's tied to her skills

afaik the only thing her passive actually does is make her immune to fall damage, I'm pretty sure you could remove it and the barrier thing might still work

[full apex]

the barrier is tied to her skills specifically, here.

her punching skills inherit this

so it isnt necessarily tied to being loader, moreso the punch attacks themselves have it inherently built in. so like if you take visions, her m1 wont give barrier because visions doesnt inherit this

basically all her punches use it including the charged ones, not just m1

the aoe part? i dont actually rember that

i'll try it really quick.

it does inherit but im not sure if its only the punch not the cone

yea it doesnt look like it does

probably because its not a melee attack

the barrier happens in onmeleehit so

yea

yea

which is actually why it has better single target dps than charged

youd think the cone would make it better aoe but since it comes out faster and the punch only hits one enemy its aoe isnt that great. charged pierces for full damage on everything

but the base + cone is more than charged

nw!

[lavish jacinth]

Behemoth inherits damage types, which causes it to apply expose. But since it doesn't have a coeff, it won't consume the first instance of expose applied by the skill itself, so you actually get two stacks of it (although the debuff icon doesn't show stacks)

It would technically be capable of applying other status effects from skills, but since debuff duration is affected by proc coeff, most debuffs it applies will have a duration of 0 and won't work. Expose is an exception because it has unlimited duration

[full apex]

This also works for both of bandits specials. So its aoe will reset CDs with lights out, and grant a skull for all kills in range with desperado. Other things like atg wont do this.

[full apex]

to note is that since expose is added directly to the damage source, behemoth procs off of that damage; so it still deals damage as though it had popped expose, it just doesnt double dip. so a normal swing is 16+9, and an expose one is 58+35

also this is pretty funny

i just stacked up a fuckton of extra exposes holding m1 out of range for the first and second swing lmao
(visions to pop a bunch fast)

[hasty acorn]

Can u go to void fields again after looping ?

[livid wedge]

You can't go back to vields in any given run

One visit per run

[sand plume]

oh hey fax just thoght Id tell you i got the bandit and commando mastery working on MUL-T

[dry lake]

hello, I haven't played the game after Survivors of the void dlc release and want to get back in, I heard the game got sold and a new dlc got released and broke the game, is the base game / with mods playable now?

[dry lake]

thanks, I just wanted to recommend the base game + void dlc to some of my friends

[quasi sage]

is it worth stacking bleed after 100% crit and shatterspleen

[full apex]

No, they dont apply 2 bleeds at once anymore. If you have 100% bleed from crit, tritip won't give you any benefit

[lavish jacinth]

erm akchually, tritip can still be used to apply bleed with frost relic since it procs but can't crit

(but yeah just scrap them or get needletick)

[half igloo]

im 2 hours into a run, over powered as hell, looped like 5 times and I have yet to find a gold altar or halycon altar

am I doing something wrong?

[lavish jacinth]

no, they're just annoying to get

you can also get to the alt path and gilded coast using lunar seers though

[half igloo]

jesus

yeah been doing that too, no luck

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, just unlucky then

it seems like they made halcyon shrines way more likely on stage 1 and then super rare for the rest of the run
and gold shrines have always been rare

[half igloo]

crazy. on the bright side i'm so overpowered I'm one shotting the whole map by just firing once, and I have 3k health, 10 of pretty much every item

nearly every red item in some capacity

[lavish jacinth]

if it helps at all, if a stage has a halcyon shrine on it, you'll get a message in chat at the start of the stage. Something along the lines of "you hear thunder rumbling"

[half igloo]

oh okay that helps to know

finally, one shotted the money golem and got a green portal

[scenic raven]

correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm using the artifact of sacrifice (no chests, monsters drop items), and if I also pick artifact of swarms (double monster spawns but half health), doesnt that mean that I'm getting double the chance for items?

[lavish jacinth]

The chance does get reduced with sacrifice but not quite halved, and there's always a 5% minimum

So you get more items on average but it's not double

[scenic raven]

but you'd say it's worth it because there is still even a slight increase

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[scenic raven]

cool, also why does some of the artifact trials not show up in achievements

[lavish jacinth]

Sacrifice/Swarms is a classic ez win combo, along with command

[scenic raven]

like delusion and devotion, they arent in the steam achievements

[lavish jacinth]

Ahh yeah, those two don't have achievements

[scenic raven]

why??

[lavish jacinth]

Dunno, gearbox just didn't add any

Those two were added separately from the other 16, they were in an update earlier this year while the rest were all added back in early access

Its not like it really matters

[scenic raven]

the seekers of the storm trial as well isnt one

I guess not, but some people just might go off the achievement list for all the trials, meaning they miss 3

[lavish jacinth]

Well, there's the in-game challenge log

[scenic raven]

I redact my statement

Now I just want them as achievements for the steam points, nothing more

[lavish jacinth]

I think gearbox did confirm they'd add more achievements eventually

[scenic raven]

you think seekers of the storm is worth?

[lavish jacinth]

Ehhh, I'd say wait for it to get patched

[scenic raven]

some of the items seem dope currently

[lavish jacinth]

Most of them suck lol

That's part of what's getting reworked

[scenic raven]

oh, 😦

[lavish jacinth]

Gearbox even made their own tierlist lol

[scenic raven]

Sale star my beloved XD

[lavish jacinth]

(Which is also part of the update roadmap)

[scenic raven]

i havent looked into it much, is there new playable survivors? (I dont mind spoilers)

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, 3 of them

[scenic raven]

are they on the same level as railgunner? for being good I mean

[lavish jacinth]

False son is unbelievably broken

[scenic raven]

is it fun?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah he's alright, wouldn't surprise me if he gets nerfed tho lol.

Seeker is ok, chef is... not good lol

[scenic raven]

is the overall expansion fun? Like enjoyable but could be better?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, it's got some good stuff, but there's a lot that could be improved

[scenic raven]

and it will be improved

right?

[lavish jacinth]

In its current state I think it's more bad than good, but it's fixable

There are some big updates in the works but we don't know when it'll be

But probably worth waiting for imo

[scenic raven]

do you think once they fix it and make it really good they might increase the price?

[lavish jacinth]

No idea but I doubt it

[scenic raven]

Well thanks for your help,

[lavish jacinth]

Np

[cedar pine]

which way of unlocking the void fiend is easier?

[lavish jacinth]

Simulacrum is easier imo, I recommend engie

[cedar pine]

i have genuinely never played engi tho

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you don't have to, but engie is good at simulacrum

Good at dealing with crowds, and if you get a scary wave you can just hide and let your turrets handle it

Might wanna at least unlock his alt secondary first though, pressure mines are pretty eh. Tho they might perform better in simu

[cedar pine]

alr ty

[full apex]

ranges from slight improvement to beeg improvement

the furthest right column is the improvement

[scenic raven]

dang, thank you

[full apex]

most stuff is ~ the 1.5x range, so while not double you could say its around 50% more and thats probably a reasonable average. it will be stronger early on because of the 5% minimum

(which is a nice help since items can feel pretty slow to start with sac sometimes)

[sand plume]

i just dualed rebar with a bunch of and it got me the mastery

[sharp hare]

how long is the ror2 sale gonna last

[sharp hare]

does anyone know

[lavish jacinth]

December 4th I think

[sharp hare]

ok

[opal crown]

wtf I died while trimping???

gdi I had the infinite damage meme too

Man this is the most bs death I've had.

[sharp hare]

after 400 hours of cracked ror2 finnaly bought the game

yipee

[lavish jacinth]

Yep, it's because of the physics changes. Trimping causes fall damage now

[quasi crystal]

Lost an ethereal to that shit

[lavish jacinth]

A few people have made bug reports about it, hopefully it gets fixed

Or at the very least they just give merc fall damage immunity during whirlwind lol

[quasi crystal]

Yuh, it's alright though I got mods

[minor jungle]

always has been but now I guess it happens more often

[opal crown]

I’ve noticed it happening if I trimp down a sloped ceiling, but this is the first time I’ve noticed it happen on a regular ramp.

[echo pawn]

Can you find seed of life in main game or only dlc?

[lavish jacinth]

It's dlc, specifically Seekers of the Storm

[echo pawn]

So I have to go to the portal?

[lavish jacinth]

Oh wait, you mean like the item itself? No, if you have it unlocked then you can get it from any equipment barrel

(Or chance shrine or multishop or whatever)

[echo pawn]

okay thank you I was only asking because I cant seem to get it

and its unlocked

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, youre just unlucky then

[scenic raven]

what are the monsters that can spawn on the first stage if I have the artifacts that spawn monsters outside their environment, and only one type of monster per stage? (is hermit crabs an option for stage 1 is really what I wanna know)

[nocturne apex]

Hermit crabs cannot spawn like ever if you run Dissonance

[scenic raven]

and if I dont run it?

[nocturne apex]

They spawn past the first loop on Titanic Plains for you to do Demon and Crabs

[scenic raven]

alright

theoretically, if you have 17 sonorous whispers and the artifact of honor and sacrifice, doesnt that mean that every monster drops an item?

[minor jungle]

you still can be unlucky this is not 100% chance

[scenic raven]

1(15%) + 16(5%) = 100%

[wide parrot]

they dont stack iirc

[scenic raven]

says that first one is 15%, then every other one is +5% stack

[wide parrot]

all of them are 5%

[scenic raven]

read it again

[wide parrot]

Item description lies

it got an update to lower it to like 4%, but the description wasnt updated

[scenic raven]

its literally in the game description itself, in risk of rain

not wikipedia, risk of rain

[wide parrot]

yeah, its not 15% anymore

[minor jungle]

even if this would work like that you still can lose both 15% and 80%

[opal willow]

so you would need 97 whispers

[minor jungle]

these two are different chances, you can get two items from one elite enemy or zero from the same enemy

[scenic raven]

that's weird, for a 3% chance increase I seem to be getting a lot more items, almost like its 15% more...

[opal willow]

did you ever update your game

[dusky raven]

Sonorous was busted at launch and they nerfed it hard but never changed the description

[opal willow]

amazing game

[scenic raven]

10/10

either way, if it is 3% flat now, 34 red items isnt too bad to get

[opal willow]

34?

[scenic raven]

do the math bruh

[opal willow]

what math? that wouldnt get you to 100%

[scenic raven]

hey bud, whats 34 times 3

[scenic raven]

damn wait

[opal willow]

hey bud, can you read

[scenic raven]

listen gray on gray is hard for me

[dusky raven]

You need 98 to get 100% from elites

[opal willow]

skill issue cant lie

[scenic raven]

im red green colorblind

[dusky raven]

So it’s not great

[opal willow]

its 97