ror2-game-questions

[full apex]

i was wondering if they could naturally void-ify but that makes sense.

[gusty anvil]

does void fields pick items (Excluding the tiers ofc) completely randomly? because it feels like most of the time it gives monsters op combos

like i just had an elder lemurains with mocha + goat hoof teleport behind me and instantly one shot me 💀

[full apex]

its random but theres a blacklist for some items so the pool is smaller

[livid wedge]

It is random but they have certain items blacklisted so their item pool is smaller

[full apex]

lol
same brain cell

[livid wedge]

Dang phone typing was slow but ye lol

[full apex]

almost exactly the same, thats pretty good. you can tell we are in game questions a lot.

[gusty anvil]

like what kind of items? the only one i can think of is something like backup mag

[livid wedge]

I like this channel. Either someone asks a question I can answer or one I can't that interests me

[livid wedge]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:AIBlacklist_Items

I still don't know why certain things aren't AI blacklisted, like

[full apex]

War bonds is quite funny

[livid wedge]

That one too

Thank goodness got AI blacklisted. Good move for gbx

[gusty anvil]

also power exilir is blacklisted but not dios

(well i mean its cuz they would get 5 but still)

[full apex]

Dios is funny with sacrifice

[livid wedge]

I hate it when jellyfish have dios

[full apex]

True

And bands

[livid wedge]

Oh look, 3 seconds of invulnerability for them to explode on you again

[gusty anvil]

i was in a run 3 loops in and almost died in vields cuz of the enemies getting dios

there was grandfathers and a bunch of annoying enemies

[livid wedge]

Hold on, lemme find something for you

[lavish jacinth]

surviving in vields is like 90% luck

[full apex]

Be stacked or be able to run away, then hope

[lavish jacinth]

normally you're supposed to dip out once things get too bad but it's really annoying if you're going there for unlocks

[full apex]

Yea true

[livid wedge]

@gusty anvil

[full apex]

That is FUCKED lmao

[livid wedge]

It's honestly a little beautiful

[lavish jacinth]

eulogy moment

[gusty anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/glass-disappear-effects-gif-15070736

[full apex]

What even is that
8x from glass
2x from watch to 16x
I don't rember if crowbar is linear for some reason

[gusty anvil]

i think they all multiply off each other

[full apex]

Is it just 75+75
I assume it should be but my brain is telling me 75+50 for some weird reason

[lavish jacinth]

it is, +75% per crowbar

[full apex]

So another 3.75x for what

60x??lmao

[livid wedge]

[full apex]

Or wait that might be wrong i think its worse

Yea 75x5 is 375 so the mult would be 4.75x
So like 76??

Idk lol

[livid wedge]

No, I think you got it

Both of those numbers are instagib

[full apex]

Yea 76x

Thats fucked

In exchange they have 12.5% health

[livid wedge]

On a boss

[full apex]

Watch downside basically doesnt matter there too, if you get em there they probably die

[lavish jacinth]

all it would take is one or two ticks of a xi's laser

[full apex]

Classic vields

[livid wedge]

I'm not sure but I think that person won but the last items were literal hell

[lavish jacinth]

it might be doable if you have something like killing enemies the moment they spawn

[livid wedge]

If you're far enough to get those enemies in vields, you can also probably instagib

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[livid wedge]

It's a coinflip

[peak holly]

Stolen property

[livid wedge]

Oh, was it you?

Sorry

[minor jungle]

What the fuckkk

[livid wedge]

Like, I saw that picture very soon after I joined. I definitely can't claim it because I didn't have any dlc then

[forest depot]

nester0417 was banned.

[steady stone]

shadow banned, nobody even got to ping

[quasi crystal]

i did in discussion

[full apex]

Yea i had this channel open on my second monitor and saw it the second it was posted and started typing but someone else still saw and got a ping off haha

Our users are reliable at summoning to remove that stuff which is nice

[celest kayak]

what are “on hit” items?

is that crit, bleed? or something else?

[glacial knoll]

when you hit an enemy it Does the thing

[celest kayak]

yeah haha but like what counts. crit? bleed?

[glacial knoll]

I don't think i've heard anyone say crit is a on hit item but like it doesn't do anything except on hit

Bleed certainly is called on hit a fair amount

[lavish jacinth]

any effect that happens when you hit an enemy, basically

[celest kayak]

im wondering mostly for the purposes of this item

[glacial knoll]

You'd need to ask the mod author tbh idk

Is it a 0.1 luck up that'd be insane for a white or is it actually specifically programmed with certain on hits

if yes then what is the list of that yknow

[lavish jacinth]

that or it increases proc coeffs by 10% which is even more insane

[quasi crystal]

most balanced mod item

[glacial knoll]

luck and proc Coeff both should be different wording I guess so idk what this does

effectiveness and likelyhood does sound like proc Coeff

[lavish jacinth]

but yeah, on-hit usually refers to stuff llike bleed, stuns, atg, ukulele, chronobauble etc.. There are kinda too many to list

but for that specific mod I have no idea

[glacial knoll]

Since effectiveness would only really be affected by proc coeff

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[celest kayak]

hrmm ill probably just disable it then since it doesnt tell me what it does. ty

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, if it works the way it sounds like it does, then it's insanely good

unless you wanna disable it because of that

[celest kayak]

like idk what “on hit” means if not bleed and atg and stuff, which it seems to not effect from testing

[lavish jacinth]

well, that's what it would normally refer to, if it's not that then I don't know what it would be

if you've got debugtoolkit or something you could try giving yourself like a hundred of them and see what happens
assuming dbtk works with modded items, I don't actually know

[quasi crystal]

why does this happen

serious question what is causing a greater wisp to spawn 5 minutes on stage 1

[lavish jacinth]

game director doing a funny, I guess

[quasi crystal]

it gave me 2 stone titans too with no mountain

this happens a lot even without mods idk why my copy is cursed

[lavish jacinth]

seems like scaling has been wonky ever since SotS, unless this is some variant of the multiplayer scaling bug

I thought the multiplayer bug got patched though

[quasi crystal]

My chests are properly priced so it's not that bug

[tender temple]

voidddd fieeeendddd!

[quasi crystal]

void enemy (wolfo skin mod shoutout)

[tender temple]

i use citrus

[quasi crystal]

i prefer red to orange but i respect your opinion

[glacial knoll]

Man so many stages with broken reflections why he looking like that

[dense cove]

Is tri tip dagger viable on bandit with burst?

[glacial knoll]

of course

[lavish jacinth]

it takes some effort to keep bleed going due to the low proc coeff but yeah, you can make it work

I'd prefer needletick on him tho

[dense cove]

I'm trying beat Eclipse 1 atm, so any tips?

[lavish jacinth]

Eclipse 1 is basically just monsoon

so, all the usual strats apply. Full-loot stages, try to go for at least an item per minute

[dense cove]

Okay, thx!

[quasi crystal]

i dont usually play viend, is wungus actually like, detrimental, i know what healing does to the corruption but like is it actually worth leaving on the ground

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, don't touch it. it really messes with your ability to gain corruption

you already have a really good healing ability in your uncorrupt form so it's not worth the trouble

[quasi crystal]

figured just making sure that wasnt outdated info lol

[burnt pumice]

personally i dont even take healing in general

not really needed with their ability

[lavish jacinth]

is nice for corrupt form though, the corruption gained from crit is more than enough to offset the heal

and is harmless, not really needed but it can be nice to be able to heal without using corruption

[quasi crystal]

yeah i have slugs lol

[burnt pumice]

yeah im not saying that they are gonna ruin youre build but id rather use the scrap yk

[quasi crystal]

i havent needed them yet because spaces is protecting me from anything thats hit me

I've grown to appreciate more in eclipse wish they were easier to stack

[acoustic acorn]

Psst i like that item but titanic knurl is actually dog water

[quasi crystal]

knurls regen is very nice lol stacking it is very noticable

what the fuck is going on

[acoustic acorn]

The snail heals you the knurl

[quasi crystal]

also rng wasnt there this run

[acoustic acorn]

Oh you have an aspect! Aspects were bugged and let you get infinite items

[quasi crystal]

thats not the issue

[acoustic acorn]

Idk how you replicated it without downpatching but awesome

Look at your coffee stacks

[quasi crystal]

oh what the fuck lol

[analog brook]

I have a hard time believing this is a stage 6 53 minute run

What the hell could be making you so fast???????

[quasi crystal]

is that sarcasm because i take my time lol and I also had void fields timer on

[analog brook]

Dude you had 10 red items 😭😭😭

[quasi crystal]

yeah and?

[analog brook]

Idk just extremely unnatural

[quasi crystal]

it was a really lucky run

[analog brook]

I was saying 53 minutes as in it being fast for the amount of items you have without sonorous whispers

[quasi crystal]

oh lol well idk, i didnt farm anything

the red scrap is a rejuv rack

[burnt pumice]

I mean, possible Vield

[quasi crystal]

i literally said I was in vield lol

[burnt pumice]

I literally just got here😭

[lavish jacinth]

man, there has to be some kind of director credit nonsense going on there

between the amount of loot and getting greater wisps 5 minutes in

[minor jungle]

bro really has cursed client

[quasi crystal]

i blame this mod

[lavish jacinth]

idk what that even is

[slim spoke]

same

[quasi crystal]

it makes heretics nevermore a goose honk

[lavish jacinth]

yeah that's probably it

but seriously, it's like you've got 2-3 players worth of loot and enemy spawns, even though the chest prices were normal

[quasi crystal]

the console log was going crazy about the lognstanding solitude fix mod

i contacted the creator of that mod with the error he said he'd look into it

[jovial ether]

I am on eclipse with reailgunner in sky meadow, I have an ignition tank with no kjaros band and an ICBM with no ATGs, but alas the last terminal shop has a kjaros band and an ATG, which one would be better to grab

I assume the band right? I already have a caffeinator with fireworks

[glacial knoll]

kjaros doesn't do burns atg would be better

[full apex]

Getting at least one of the proc chain items is probably better regardless, especially with icbm

[jovial ether]

I always thought that kjaros paired with ignition tank?

I guess not, I have been misinformed

I got the band and luckily got a lystate cell on the moon before skipping the pillars, mithrix didnt stand a chance

[glacial knoll]

Ignition Tank buffs the burn debuff, Kjaros does not do that never has

don't matter if it's described as a flame tornado or if willo wisp is called a lava

[jovial ether]

Alright thank you

[glacial knoll]

Probably wouldve been better if they make it synergize even if those 2 are like really strong items

[jovial ether]

and maybe add an item that helps with freezing damage?

[livid wedge]

Kjaros is strong enough and does not need ignition tank to quadruple it

[glacial knoll]

mmmm yeah maybe

Molten Perf is what i'd called the strongest item in the game tho that gets boosted quite a lot

[daring cloak]

Merf is the strongest lunar in the game

Very high damage output and very high risk to be the main factor of crashes

[glacial knoll]

goin from 450% total to 900% total

[ocean pecan]

will the Prime Meridian achievements be added on steam? I've been doing it on every Survivor at this moment and thought overtime with each bug update it would've been added already

[daring cloak]

Gearbox has higher priorities on what stuff to fix and polish at this time

Maybe the achievements will get added after the roadmap updates though

[hot moth]

hey, new here, was just wondering if anybody knows which pillar skips are able to do in seekers, im not sure if im just washed but i had 4 goat hoofs, 2 energy drinks and a red whip with headset but wasnt able to do the jump up?

[quasi crystal]

They completely redid the physics you can't do stompers skip anymore without significantly more mobility or using a mod that gives you old physics

[hot moth]

ugh thats stupid annoying, so its just equipment skips now?

[quasi crystal]

And survivor skips
Apparently chef and only chef can h0st skip too lol

[hot moth]

just goes to show how much of a flop that character is lol

[quasi crystal]

https://youtu.be/DH7fav0GE6w?si=LWkI7eKjfLCArxg6

[flint galleon]

hello, i just beat monsoon as mercenary for the first time (and just monsoon for the first time in general), he's easily my favorite character, is it worth it to unlock his alternate special? is it any good?

[hot moth]

its the one i tend to use on merc

[quasi crystal]

Yes

Wait for a glass trial

[flint galleon]

what exactly is a glass trial

it does not sound good

[wide parrot]

It’s good

It means the trial has the Artifact of Glass enabled

[flint galleon]

looked that up

so it's like having a bunch of shaped glass

seems fun

[wide parrot]

Very similar, yes

You can unlock it for the base game

[molten galleon]

yall is there any way to spawn items or give yourself items (including mods)

[quasi crystal]

Debug toolkit

[severe shard]

anyone know if theres a mod that lets you loop after mithrix

nvm i found one. called neverendingrun if aanyone is curious

[amber roost]

In Gilded Coast, wasnt there a log in one of the rings, did they change the location?

[severe shard]

still there, very high up

[amber roost]

Thank you for telling

[fresh umbra]

what the hell is happening here

why are his cooldowns so short while not being on e7+

and i unpause and it's normal

[jovial ether]

he forgor he was in e5

[minor jungle]

little guy is angry today

[molten galleon]

why is merc really fun

wrong channel but still a question lmfao

[wintry anvil]

is the new artifact room not supposed to have a portal out?

[molten galleon]

rip

do u have an artifact key in ur inventory even tho u finished the event alr

bc if u do ur glitched and u gotta end ur run

never finish the event if u have 2 artifact keys in ur inventory

[wintry anvil]

no key, said i got the artifact though

[molten galleon]

weird

i mean u can end ur run and youll prob have it but thats really weird

that happened to my friend and he had an extra artifact key when he finished it and he couldnt leave

[wintry anvil]

1st time in the room, idk where the portal would be

[molten galleon]

go to the center and look to the tallest platform u can find its probably up there

like stand on the center orb

[wintry anvil]

k, thanks for the help. shame thats a bug though. funny it happened on the only bad map ive seen in the game.

[simple halo]

Is railgunners alt secondary good?

[full apex]

yea its fine

its good for rapid fire on smaller enemies, solid attack speed scaling, and avoiding overkill

but the default one has really nice damage, the band synergy is pog, and the reload boost goes on the special too

[simple halo]

Also something I'm curious about for yall's opinons is when do you loop? and when you do, how many times do you loop

[full apex]

i dont usually do more than one personally because i feel the scaling devolves before then, so it gets samey

[simple halo]

Yeah I'm just considering alt secondary for a missile based build to trigger missiles more often

I dont usually loop unless I specifically wanna see how long I can go for

but maybe I should start doing it anytime I get a good build?

or maybe if I dont get a good build for more chances to fix it?

[full apex]

after youve done a lot of really god-run-ey runs, they kinda homogenize so around that point is when i feel ready to end it

[simple halo]

maybe once I get bored doing normal runs, I should set a stage limit and only end it after that many stages

[full apex]

basically you kinda go until you're satisfied! especially the first handful of times turbo nutty runs are pretty satisfying

like i feel the first few times you use command to get unreal runs and crazy setups is pretty fun, but then you're kinda like mmm ok ive done that now lol

[woeful shadow]

wtf am I supposed to do about the false sons 3rd phase?? I was SO SO close to beating this mf and he just disables everything and I'm just stuck and die what?

[full apex]

when ur disabled you need to use a geode to cleanse yourself

[woeful shadow]

Is that those pillar things

[full apex]

yea, theyre all along the path up prime meridian and are also used to cleanse lunar ruin

they also give a chunk of barrier

they spawn in the fight to cleanse ruin and for the disable

[quasi crystal]

@woeful shadow another piece of advice, your items aren't disabled, drones, zoeas, beetle guards, Tesla coil, little disciples etc all still work

[wintry anvil]

does artifact of kin stop bosses from spawning? only minion lots?

[steady stone]

well i'd assume bosses could show up on kin, however it would require a large amount of credits

generally you'll see horde of many, especially early

[quasi crystal]

Kin is only 1 enemy right

It's not a family event so that's a no

[steady stone]

the only way i'd assume they could is bosses only

[quasi crystal]

I'm sure the awu ignores kin though

[steady stone]

Special boss

[quasi crystal]

I have played kin once, can void seeds spawn

[full apex]

scripted combat encounter doesnt use the director which is why mith and everything arent affected by kin but are by swarms and stuff

[acoustic acorn]

Boss rush when

[quasi crystal]

Infestors yeah

[steady stone]

i'd assume? im going off of like 2 sentences that are on the wiki

[quasi crystal]

Faux expert

We gotta find the 2 kin players

[steady stone]

this is the entire page so i'm making educated guesses based on prior experience

[acoustic acorn]

Yeh the way to get azolea without losing larva or throphying the crab is to do a voidfield family and hope the crab boss drops it

Has same odds as any yellow to drop i think

[quasi crystal]

Family events aren't kin

Kin is a single enemy

[steady stone]

do family events even happen with kin? could we get void family, and kin makes devastator only?

[quasi crystal]

Good question

Maybe dissonance kin could

[steady stone]

4+ fucking years since the artifact update and we just now looking into it

[wintry anvil]

lol, sry bout that

[quasi crystal]

To be fair I'm pretty sure only command and sacrifice are at all popular

Then a huge margin leap would be honor and maybe like glass or swarms

Oh right devotion is popular

[wintry anvil]

was worried cause 1st map didnt spawn a boss

thanks tho

[quasi crystal]

Any artifact of death enjoyers

[steady stone]

I mean some other ones are alright, like maybe glass, evolution, etc, but kin is just kind of boring

most artifacts are used id say, and kin might be the worst

[glacial knoll]

Kin wouldn't overwrite additional set spawn pools that's why you still get golems from Halcy shrines

Seems like family events should be possible with Kin tho

yeahhh

you sure you want this tho

[covert meteor]

i personally would.

[glacial knoll]

(i do too) If kin did this regularly it might actually be funny

I don't want only beetles on my stage 4

[quasi crystal]

What stage 4 has beetles even lol

Siren's?

[glacial knoll]

pre sotv sirens had beetles

[quasi crystal]

Still does have it without sots enabled I remember seeing them before I bought sots

[steady stone]

well beetle family event would make it not matter what had it on stage 4

Now that I think about it, bulwark weakens + kin for only lunar wisps might be the worst thing in the game possible

They'd most likely be all elite too, I would just leave

Although I'm curious, could kin pick weaker enemies? Like on beetle family event, even on a loop with high credits, could it be only normal beetles?

[quasi crystal]

The director appearantly will refuse to spawn things too cheap for that point in the game so it'd just spam elites or spawn nothing no?

[steady stone]

well that's also why im wondering how it generally would work, like would family events work at all at certain points?

eventually the only "possible enemy" is elite scavs in a normal stage

it makes me wonder if a late family event would just simply have nothing

[glacial knoll]

It would use the same choosing mechanic regardless if it's a family

but that code doesn't decompile properly so idk how it does it

it says 40 base credits * difficultyCoeff but like it doesn't say what it does with it

[steady stone]

is there a limit to what stage number will spawn a family event?

i've never seen one by the time it's scav spam

[glacial knoll]

either it's a 100k or the integer limit but it can be set per family

tho this is like notable

and really stupid on hopoos part

[steady stone]

eh it makes sense

they would be too hard pre-loop and too easy after 12

from a balancing standpoint i like it

[glacial knoll]

you can get the gup family event on stage 2 billion

[steady stone]

since glacial lunar golem spam is lame

[glacial knoll]

They wouldn't be glacial either

I don't think maximum stage completion is used for any other family why the one that is the coolest

[steady stone]

TP boss for me is normally glacian golem on bulwark

but yeah, it's strange it's only that one for stage requirements

[glacial knoll]

I assume you mean Perfected or you're playing with Honor

like getting this on stage 49 sirens would be embarassing

[steady stone]

nah it was because it was technically pre-loop

you can get lunar event on sky meadow if you take an extra stage iirc

[glacial knoll]

Perfected isn't loop exclusive

Enemies tagged as Lunar elite spawn rules only spawn as perfected unless it's honor or unless sots fucked it up

[steady stone]

nah it was before sots, long time ago

but who knows, might just be gone nowadays

[glacial knoll]

Console had normal elite lunars during the bad era

Unless PC had the same issue for a short time idk

[steady stone]

it was only on the family event from what i remember, noticably on the TP boss

i was confused at first too, on why it said glacial on the health bar

god i dont even remember how long ago though, maybe a year?

before devotion definitely

although, when was the "bad era" you're mentioning?

start of sots? start of sotv?

[glacial knoll]

before sotv

People complained about like blazing lunar chimera wisp mithrix phase 2 like all the time

[steady stone]

honestly i always just thought it was intended

like perfected was limited to the moon

[glacial knoll]

Seeing Perfected outside of the moon feels wrong but like in a good way

The issue of lunar enemies being able to spawn as tier 1 elites on console almost definitely as easy of a fix as just the wrong elite cost we had for 10 weeks

but that's old news by now anyways

I guess the same issue is still present with honor but like, it's honor who cares

[elder solar]

if you use artifact of rebirth in multiplayer do all players get it or just you?

[minor jungle]

Players will get what they did placed in rebirth

If they didn't placed anything in rebirth they will get random white item

[long mesa]

can artificer still freeze mithrix

[flint galleon]

pretty sure no

[steady stone]

oh did they remove it?

[quasi crystal]

Misinformation is funny

[steady stone]

unless this is outdated you're probably wrong

[quasi crystal]

I locked mithrix last night with arti freeze ignore them

[steady stone]

i figured, but i sent the original before fact checking it myself lol

also found some interesting stuff, like i've never heard of this? assuming it was "commonly referred" during the older days

[quasi crystal]

Arti can ever freeze unbral

[glacial knoll]

old arti would like change skills depending on what items you had or smth

but like idk how much of this is usable still

[analog brook]

METEOR?!

[quasi crystal]

A fire meteor would be sick

[analog brook]

We might’ve gotten robbed

[quasi crystal]

Fire roller also sound cool

I imagine it's just worse dragon egg but still

[analog brook]

Is chargeicebomb an internal name for nano spear there’s ice bolt but all the other Bolts are primaries no?

[analog brook]

A what?..

[quasi crystal]

Dragon egg

But worse

Probably can't use it for vertical mobility

[analog brook]

OOOHHH. VULCANIC EGG

[quasi crystal]

Ok I see now where my poor wording might have caused confusion

Is it volcanic I always called it dragon egg

[analog brook]

Yuh

Was really funny though icl 😭

[long mesa]

in void fields do the cells still keep charging after you die

[quasi crystal]

The cells require one person in it

[hot moth]

is phase 4 skip still possible with fire band?

<3

[dapper bison]

I would love to see that as a passive or somethin. Though probably might’ve been scrapped from complexity or just bad design ultimately

[quasi crystal]

It would probably be annoying more than complex

[glacial knoll]

I'd imagine your skills changing based on items would be really really annoying

[steady stone]

maybe on item pick up, but constantly would be strange

[glacial knoll]

but also just a more work to have every skill be 3 skills

idk wdym with item pickup yeah like that

If you had enough fire items you'd do fire

[steady stone]

like every time you pick up an item

[dapper bison]

Well I could see it being a sort of upgrade sort of system. Like they change a bit but are also stronger? I also dunno how items alone would do that but yknow

[steady stone]

it would definitely be possible to put a trigger on it, like mithrix ability triggering a swap

[quasi crystal]

There are like 8 elemental items q couple more if you stretch the leniency

[glacial knoll]

they removed item the artificer element tag from items at some point

equipments still have it tho but I guess would've been interesting see what items were tagged as what

if they ever even tagged any items as anything

[dapper bison]

That would’ve been pretty cool ngl. I never knew about this damn. But also yeah it’d be weird with how the standard gameplay is set up.
I imagine they funneled some of that switching elements idea into what Wake of Vultures ended up being

[steady stone]

oh i didn't even notice you were responding to my old comment

[glacial knoll]

Royal Capacitor is tagged as Lightning only equipment

[steady stone]

i gotta catch up

[glacial knoll]

I mean I guess if Arti did have 3 alt skills for each slot it'd be fun to see the passive again

as a optional just, whatever

but we aint getting more alt skills

[steady stone]

they did strange skills for viend, and i think most people like how his skills work, so more variation might be cool

but like don't overdo it. 1 strange little guy per addition/dlc

[glacial knoll]

Viend sounds a lot more simple to me but I assume the idea definitely influenced him

[steady stone]

although alts for viend that also have alt corrupt skills would be cool

[glacial knoll]

but like it'd be stupid to not want to pickup a fire item because idk you want your ice skills

like that's so like arbitrarily restrictive I feel

I don't have pre sotv files maybe it'd even need to be pre anni to see what was tagged as what

[steady stone]

true, that should be limited to lunars and maybe voids for hyperspecific builds

[glacial knoll]

Void Fiend did the changing skills and being able to influence that a lot better

[steady stone]

normal items shouldnt have downsides

[glacial knoll]

too bad they sacrificed alt skills to make that happen

[steady stone]

well, direct downsides

[quasi crystal]

Twisted void fiend

[steady stone]

i feel like false son could've had a meter system like viend, but kind of like an ultimate? build up damage for limited stronger mode more similar to the boss FS?

the meter isnt like the boss, but his skills would be more like the boss, to elaborate

[dapper bison]

The thing with Viend is that they would likely either just change how corruption works, and adjust stats as one alt, OR redo both uncorrupt and corrupt skills entirely as a whole set of alts. It’s weird but because of him having two forms, it kinda just doubles the work

[steady stone]

but he has like an "energy" associated with him in lore, with worshippers

[glacial knoll]

wdym just have a alt skill and that alt skill corrupts into the alt

Making a proper alt passive for anyone is a lot harder but they do want to do for False Son

[steady stone]

oh they do want to make an alt passive? that would be interesting

those have always just been set in stone, so would be interesting

[glacial knoll]

Assuming they still wanna make alt skills anyways but like yknow

if they're commited to fixing it probably will happen eventually

[steady stone]

i guess i would see this like the Phlog from tf2, actually

but yeah i'm really excited to see how all their reworks will go for sots

[glacial knoll]

False Son already has growth he's already weird

[dapper bison]

Oh I guess they could do that. Still though, that would require making four additional corrupt skills

[steady stone]

well the laser growth is... unintended

[dapper bison]

False Son should’ve had a meter jus so I could tell wtf Growth was doing

[glacial knoll]

It could certainly use a ui element yes

Idk why he'd need 4 alt corrupt skills just like idk instead of a laser beam he has a melee attack and then a stronger version in corrupt mode

pretty sure modded viend skills like that exist

[dapper bison]

It’s hard to remember but also because passives don’t show up in gameplay ui I can’t reread it without just opening a page to do so xwx

[glacial knoll]

Viend has a unused melee attack but also like 3 or 4 versions of his m2

[steady stone]

most passives are decently simple though

[daring cloak]

Sometimes the passives are also less in practice than they tell you

[glacial knoll]

False Sons alt has a buff related to it so I guess that could've been used as the UI element

[steady stone]

actually, is the ability to scroll through abilities when there's too many vanilla, or does a mod add the ability to go further without going past the GUI?

[daring cloak]

Like wasnt rex's passive literally just an explanation for why he has that unique debuff that isnt even unique anymore?

[steady stone]

because if it's vanilla they could easily add more alts i feel

[glacial knoll]

No it doesn't it's the default passive my bad

So Tampared Heart has a buff it's just not used

[dapper bison]

I guess I was thinking of how one skill corrupts to another as a pair, not as each one if those being individual (I meant to reply about the viend thing, fuckin internet)

[steady stone]

honestly i hope a good chunk of unused stuff is just temporarily unused due to time, and will be added

[dapper bison]

I also did not know that o3o I’m curious now tbh

Man modders find such cool shit. I wish I wasn’t dumb and could figure that out lmao

[steady stone]

they just have access to the game's inside basically
think about it like a doctor, learn how to use a scalpel, except the scalpel is just a program and some technical terms and variables

[glacial knoll]

unlike a doctor you can't really do it wrong you just download dnSpy and that's it

[steady stone]

yeah it's more like a doctor but the patient is immortal

[dapper bison]

Is that like, the software you use to start modding?

[glacial knoll]

no it just decompiles the code so you can look at it

[dapper bison]

Oh neat

[glacial knoll]

idk how to explain starting modding

[dapper bison]

Lmao you’re fine. It’s a lot I imagine. I’ve never tried making mods myself. Would love to sometime tho. I’ll look into it probably eventually maybe.

[steady stone]

the problem with learning how to mod is really just starting i will say, as everything is different for different games unless you go really general, and at that point just get an education

different languages, engines, etc

but once you get it down, it's all creativity and how well you can remember different lines

[dapper bison]

Well yeah, mostly meant for this game specifically, but also I only managed to pass two (2!) whole college compsci courses once before I switched to biology. And the second one I retook to get a passing grade lmao

[peak jacinth]

wait who else got weaken?

Chef?

[daring cloak]

Ye

[quasi crystal]

Weaken is much better than tar but still odd they picked weaken over tar on oil

[long mesa]

would yall say multiplayer is harder or easier than single player

[lavish jacinth]

depends
if everyone knows what they're doing I'd say it's a little easier, but if not then it's probably harder

[quasi crystal]

If u dont know what ur doing its def harder in multiplayer causeof the scaling

[vital spoke]

Please listen to my voicemail

[livid wedge]

<@&559786374228738069> this looks super suspicious for a new account and join

Edit: my apologies, looks like it's linked with something they posted in general

[elder solar]

i mean just look at their name

[lavish jacinth]

they're not wrong

I wouldn't trust it either, not sure how much harm an audio file could do but you never know

my guy, a new account joins and posts an audio message, something that I've never seen a single person do ever

we get enough weird scam shit here

[livid wedge]

No info or context for it either

Literally just "listen to this"

[lavish jacinth]

same energy as "please click my link"

[lavish jacinth]

you don't break the barrier, you jump into the blue portals that appear circling around the arena

[livid wedge]

@vital spoke sorry for being suspicious. We get spammers in the server from time to time and didn't see your message in general

And I still remember the gif/video bug from a year or two ago that would crash discord clients

[vital spoke]

Sorry I needed help but last time I played it was two years ago

And the thing is I lost my old account my old discord account

[visual idol]

link can be anything, audio recording is just audio

[vital spoke]

What link

[visual idol]

there was none

I was replying to fax machines comment

[trim lynx]

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

[vital spoke]

Not falling for that s*** I saw the video for a second

Because a picture popped up from it

[trim lynx]

i thought embeds were disabled across whole server

[visual idol]

only for white names

[trim lynx]

ahh

[visual idol]

epic embed success fail

[vital spoke]

No it was only for split second

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I looked it up afterwards lol
I wasn't sure if audio messages were recorded directly through discord or if it was just embedding an audio file

[vital spoke]

Because I'm a mobile probably

[visual idol]

no fox just removed the embed lol

not as much recently but yes thank you it's been good

[livid wedge]

Sorry I jumped the gun on that ping

[visual idol]

nope you just check around and follow pings/modmail

[rapid current]

How do u get pearl

[compact wolf]

April fool's event

[daring cloak]

On some stages there will pretty rarely spawn a cleansing pool where you can cleanse your (randomly selected) lunar items and turn them into pearls

Theres an 80% chance for normal pearls and a 20% chance for irradiant pearls

[severe shard]

does scrap barrier affect hungering gaze

[full apex]

visions shouldnt give barrier its just her punches

but like charged punch im p sure gives barrier

[blissful spade]

is there a lore reason as to why charging teleporters stops you from buying stuff?

[quasi crystal]

To my knowledge no especially since in ror1 you could buy stuff during tp

[covert rain]

headcanon time
the vestige of Providence's protection blocks the interactables during TP charging

[full apex]

Probably just gameplay to encourage you to focus on charging the tp. In ror1 there was no radius so no point to locking thinga

It could be partly to prevent just hitting tele asap and looting normally, completely negating a portion of the gameplay loop. But income is slower during the tp, so it would still be suboptimal to hit it before looting

Though most probably wouldn't know that

[severe shard]

does movement speed affect loader's grapple boost

[lavish jacinth]

No

It slightly affects her charged punch but not by much, if you wanna go faster as loader then is the item you want

[severe shard]

mhm

thanks\

wanted to check because that means stone flux is really good on loader as long as you have a couple mags or purities

[lavish jacinth]

Yep

[buoyant dune]

Does reju rack affect growth

[left trellis]

no

growth is based on your max HP, not healing

[buoyant dune]

Aigh thank you 🙏

[amber roost]

Does the plates on Aqueduct receive new location in the recent DLC

[quasi crystal]

not to my knowledge

[long mesa]

is there a way to remove toggle sprint and make it hold sprint, toggle sprint feels horrible

[lavish jacinth]

nope, closest you can get is the autosprint mod https://thunderstore.io/package/score/AutoSprint/

[long mesa]

thanks

[simple halo]

Would alt m2 or regular m2 railgunner would better with a missile based build (ATG missile, disposable missle launcher, and fireworks stacked as high as possible)

[lavish jacinth]

they'd be about the same tbh
default scope has higher overall dps if you consistently hit headshots and perfect reloads
alt scope has way better attack speed scaling and higher proc rate, if you just wanna spam as many atgs as possible I'd go with that one

fireworks and dml spam are gonna end up contributing a huge chunk of damage anyway so it's not like it'd matter a ton in the end, just get an equipment drone with and you'll be set lol

[amber roost]

Why does void now stops time, wasnt it used to be time moving environment?

[daring cloak]

Ye that just kinda happened

[amber roost]

Was it a bug or Is it a bug?

[daring cloak]

It was intentional for time to keep going as loot was added to vields

Before sotv vields only had the items given by the cells and stopped time

Since gearbox has not mentioned vields stopping time again I'd assume they intentionally made time stop again for some reason

[amber roost]

I take it they find void time moving dumb

Thank you for the answer

[long mesa]

do yal clear void seeds 100% of the time or occasionally skip them

[wide parrot]

100%

free loot

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's always worth it

well, unless you're really unlucky and nothing spawns in there, but that's pretty rare

void enemies can also be pretty dangerous so it's worth getting rid of them

[long mesa]

a lot of times when i get stationary enemies who are lodged inside of the aura to where i would have to trek inside there to kill them, i kinda just skip it

[lavish jacinth]

barnacles? they're like the easiest thing to deal with

[long mesa]

killing things is usually the easy part, idk maybe its just a skill issue on my end but its the dot damage

[lavish jacinth]

they can be in annoying spots sometimes but they're not hard to kill at all

just don't stay in the bubble too long, go in and out if you have to

it's worth it for the loot

[long mesa]

yeah the annoying moments are when theres things stuck in areas where i would need to stay in the dot for a while

thats when i kinda just skip them

maybe 10% of the time

[lavish jacinth]

I'd say it's never worth skipping unless you can actually see that there's nothing in there, I've rarely (if ever) seen barnacles spawn in a way where killing them was too difficult

sometimes you gotta do a little bit of damage at a time and then run away to heal

it's annoying but doesn't happen often, and if there's void cradles and chests in there then I'd never wanna leave that behind lol

[long mesa]

true

i need to get faster with teleporters and stuff, i find myself taking way too long between the void area, looting chests, and then finding the teleporter

takes me like an hour to get to mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

eh, that's not as bad as you'd think as long as you're looting efficiently

a good rule of thumb is to loot everything and try to have more items than minutes

[long mesa]

interesting

i thought the game was tryna push me to speed run and forgo a lot of items

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's not very good at emphasizing loot

[long mesa]

ive noticed this game kinda likes to kick new players in the balls which is kinda funny

[lavish jacinth]

I think the devs assumed people would focus too much on looting and needed to be reminded about the timer lol
and the timer was more of a threat in ror1 so that sorta carried over

but it's way more lenient in ror2

[long mesa]

is the timer more of a problem on monsoon

i noticed it said like more scaling or wtv

[lavish jacinth]

nah, the item-per-minute rule still works

and you can afford to spend time messing with printers or whatever, the important thing is that you don't waste time without getting anything done

think of it like doing a 100% speedrun of each stage

[long mesa]

i was thinking i could save time by doing the teleporter before i finished looting to accumulate money, and then open a bunch of chests after the teleporter event

super often i find myself with hundreds to thousands after a teleporter event

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's not a bad idea to save chests near the teleporter for last

protip: enemy gold drops scale in real time but chest prices only update at the start of a stage, so looting actually gets more efficient if you're on a stage longer

but if you rush stages, chest prices keep catching up and you'll constantly be stuck in that phase where you can't afford anything

scaling also increases by 15% per stage so rushing is just a bad idea all around

[long mesa]

ah alr

this is p helpful info

[jaunty herald]

Is shatterspleen the best item for bandit

[lavish jacinth]

it's very, very good
if you've got a choice of boss items it's probably the one to go for, at least for the first stack

"best" is sorta hard to judge since it depends on what other items you've got

you wouldn't go wrong taking perforators either

[jaunty herald]

I got either behemoth or that I can green soup for next run

[nocturne apex]

Question: if you end your run via the rebirth shrine in Prime Medirian on Monsoon, do you still get the Mastery skin? (Asked bc I’m curious)

[daring cloak]

Yes

[lavish jacinth]

wdym?

[steady stone]

Assuming it's keep behemoth or turn it into soup, I'd say just see what the soup is

Behemoth isn't bad by any means but certain greens can be better in certain situations

Like on loader I'd definitely transform them into kjaros

Actually isn't it red -> grey?

[lavish jacinth]

It's the 'next run' part that confuses me
and they were asking about shatterspleen earlier

[daring cloak]

Red into 3 of a white

[steady stone]

Yeah it makes me think of rebirth

And the "or" is "so (I can)"

[lavish jacinth]

maybe?

[steady stone]

Surely they'll elaborate, I might just be gone by then, so I gave my thought first

[lavish jacinth]

my guess was that they were deciding whether to rebirth behemoth or shatterspleen, but they can also get behemoth using soup

but yeah idk

[steady stone]

I have my own question actually, could alien head go lower than the 0.5 second cooldown with enough stacks? Or can something else?

[fresh umbra]

Is it just me or does the elite spam fix just not work sometimes

[steady stone]

I only see the minimum happen with purity, which is a set amount of seconds per

So wondering if % would be different

[lavish jacinth]

nope, 0.5s is the hard minimum

[steady stone]

Figured

[jaunty herald]

I was talking about rebirthing

[lavish jacinth]

thought so

yeah I'd rebirth shatterspleen, it's just harder to get in general

[steady stone]

Yeah, since you get a guaranteed red stage 4 but often no yellows during an entire run

[lavish jacinth]

uhhh I doubt it

[sharp hare]

ok

what if Hypothetically (or however you spell it) i happened to be running risk of rain 2 thats stored on a usb hard drive and i just happened to take out the usb mid game during the cell vents area (forgot name) how much ram would i need to play the rest of the cell vents area of my ram stored data only

[lavish jacinth]

...I'm not sure anyone would know that lol

[sharp hare]

also hypothetically happened to be on cell vent 6/9

[sharp hare]

you sure?

[lavish jacinth]

why is that something that people would just know

[sharp hare]

its not like its an very specfic question

[sharp hare]

thats an good argument

well all i can say is 4gb of ram isnt enough

[sharp hare]

hypothetically *

whatever you guys do. do NOT try that on your main pc oryou will face cons

consecuenses

or however you spell it

consequence

[lavish jacinth]

full-life consequences, even

[livid wedge]

Half life, full life consequences

[long mesa]

do yall recom,mend doing things like void fields and other side quest stuff to get items for mithrix, assuming a challenging run

[lavish jacinth]

Personally I never do vields since it's kinda boring, but yeah, it can absolutely help out a run

usually the strat there is to just get as much loot as you can and then dip out as soon as enemies get a bad item

[long mesa]

i was thinking of doing them in multiplayers runs since me and my friends all suck at the game and a boost would be nice, plus i think void fields would prolly go faster in multiplayer

[long mesa]

oh i didnt even know you could dip early

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the exit portal is always there

[livid wedge]

You just can't return

Vields is once per run

[long mesa]

yeah

sticking it out to the end yields a red item which could be nice

plus the guaranteed one i didnt know about until recently from 4th stage

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, a red void potential is a nice prize, but not worth risking death over

if enemies get something nasty like shurikens it's better to just leave

[long mesa]

yeah

bungus engi could be nice for those in multiplayer

[lavish jacinth]

yeee, engie is really good for vields

get and stick your turrets out in the fog so they constantly proc razorwire but don't die, ez win

[long mesa]

smart

with razorwire bungus engi do you reckon going full void fields is consistent

even if they get some annoyingly strong items

[lavish jacinth]

I'd say it's a lot more consistent than normal at least

and I thiiiiink they finally blacklisted tesla coil from enemies

[long mesa]

nice

i was wondering, in multiplayer does the preon drop from the timed chest for every player in multiplayer? or is it just a single copy

[daring cloak]

Its a single preon

And aside from just getting the unlock its really not worth it to speedrun to rallypoint for the preon

[long mesa]

ah rip

i was thinking getting like 4 preons could be funny to just obliterate the teleporter boss

with other map dependent drops like bands, is it also just one pair regardless of multiplayer

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

I think the guaranteed red on siren's call is the only case where the number of drops scales with players

[livid wedge]

I really wish we could get that for the other stage 4s

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, would be nice

sundered even has multiple spots where the legendary chest can spawn

[long mesa]

rip

[livid wedge]

I'm looking at the wiki page for the bandolier. So, uh, the scaling listed in the logbook for it is just an approximation of it or something because that bandolier drop equation does not use 18, 0.18, 10, or 0.1 anywhere

Hopoo pls

Also learning that a lot of things are either linear or hyperbolic scaling makes it easy to calculate what the effective value is at a given stack amount

[junior basin]

Is there any achievement related to long runs (doing the commando one rn)

[glacial knoll]

beat stage 20 and
beat stage 20 (as commando, without lunar items)

[junior basin]

huh, expected there to be more, but thanks

[daring cloak]

Well

There is one for simply beating stage 3 which unlocks bandit but most people unlock that within a few hours

[glacial knoll]

I don't think there's anything else that wants you to beat anything higher than stage 8

[lavish jacinth]

there are a few that might inadvertently require longer runs, commando killing an overloading worm being one of them

but in that case there's no requirement for stage count, it's just a lategame enemy

[daring cloak]

Ye aside from those few achievements all other ones that take time have another condition that just takes time to get through

Like wanderlust for captain which requires you to visit 8 different stages in one run

[lavish jacinth]

oh, powermode requires going to at least stage 7

[daring cloak]

True

[severe shard]

do scrap get affected by shrine of order

[wide parrot]

yes

[severe shard]

can it turn other items into scrap or only scrap into items

[wide parrot]

it can turn items into scrap

[keen helm]

Who are the best survivors for simulacrum?

[quasi crystal]

You really should just play whoever you feel comfortable with

[abstract crest]

is it bad I switched the difficulty to easy cuz normal is kicking my ass

(I haven't beat a run yet)

[quasi crystal]

No

[abstract crest]

woohoo I beat my first run

[hidden dune]

whats a mod that tells me item descriptions when i hover over them

[dusky raven]

theres probably some mods but if you enable inspection in the settings you can see them

[magic coyote]

btw whats the proc e. on the engineers harpoons

[full apex]

lookingglass is the current hud ui mod i think but itemstatsmod might be updated

[full apex]

1 for each

[queen otter]

how do 3d printers work without scrap? like i mean which item do they take first or if they pick a random one

[full apex]

its random

[lavish jacinth]

You don't need a mod for it, just enable inspect item in settings

It's under the umbrella features thing

[winter summit]

I’m with you one this one mate

[flint prawn]

No reason to feel bad over lowering difficulty, we play games to have fun. Some act as if you lose something of value if you play Drizzle but that's complete bull, play as you like

[amber roost]

How may one get Void Field : Environment Log?

[high forum]

it's in a specific spot sorta under the map, and it disappears after 5 real time minutes have passed and you're on the stage

[amber roost]

So get to void under 5 minutes and get under the void fields?

I dont understand 5 real time minutes mean

[high forum]

sorry, no. it disappears after 5 real time minutes on the void fields stage

[amber roost]

Oh

[high forum]

as in, even though time doesn't tick up in the top right of the UI, real time is still passing, and it will disappear after 5 real time minutes

[amber roost]

That sounds horrible

[high forum]

lol it's hard to get, but it is always there, which means you can consistently try for it at least

[amber roost]

I will proceed to try, thank you for informing me on where it is

[high forum]

🫡

[long mesa]

are crit lenses good on railgunner

[lavish jacinth]

No
Her passive is confusing, it's only a 5% damage increase per lens since it adds to the existing crit multiplier, which starts at 200%

200% -> 210% is only a 5% buff
Laser scope works the same way

[long mesa]

ah

ill prolly just leave them for my teammate then

the void lenses also dont seem very good on railgunner either

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, no need for a tiny chance to instakilll when you're already playing railgunner lol

[long mesa]

yeah

with things like bands and crowbars, is the default big laser thing better than the cryo one in yalls opinion

they both seem p good

[lavish jacinth]

Supercharge is way better for damage, it's around 13500% if you get a weakpoint shot with a perfect reload stored, and it has a 3.0 proc coeff

but cryo doesn't disable your skills so you can use it more liberally, the freeze is pretty powerful and it's got a 1.5 coeff which is still really nice

overall they're pretty equal, it's up to preference

[long mesa]

yeah ill prolly still keep using supercharge, the damage is absurd

is mithrix weak to all freezing or just artificer

ive never shot him with the cryo railgun

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[quasi crystal]

Cryo can help you get up high too

I mean supercharge can too but cryo is much better for it

[long mesa]

is my mithrix bugged

im on the phase where he takes all my items, and i cant damage him

nothing does any damage, im suspecting it might be the teddy bears he took

istg 3 times already ive come super close to beating the game and i get screwed over every time

[lavish jacinth]

do you see the "blocked!" thing when you hit him or do you get actual damage numbers?

[long mesa]

neither

no blocked or damage numbers

drizzle cause i wanna get captain lol

[lavish jacinth]

...weird

there was a bug where warped echo could make him invincible like that but that was patched

[onyx oxide]

am I supposed to go in the null portal and void portal?

[lavish jacinth]

depends on where you wanna go
null portal goes to void fields, or back to normal stages if you're already there
void portal goes to void locus and then to voidling

[lavish jacinth]

is he actually doing anything or just standing there?

[long mesa]

hes moving around and shooting me

[lavish jacinth]

hmm

[long mesa]

i did have a warped echo

[lavish jacinth]

are you sure you're on the current patch?

[long mesa]

would prolly be a good thing to check

[glacial knoll]

it says 1.3.1 in the corner

[long mesa]

yeah

ill update the game then, im guessing warped echo bug was in 1.3.1

[glacial knoll]

how would you have kept the old build even

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the current version is 1.3.5

well, at least it's not a new bug, shame you had to lose the run for it tho

[long mesa]

eh its only drizzle

i can just update then fight mithrix again

[lavish jacinth]

the good news is that you'll also get rid of the bug that made the whole game tied to your framerate

[long mesa]

thats a thing?

oh yeah didnt the game update at launch have a ton of bugs

[lavish jacinth]

it was, yeah

[long mesa]

invuln mithrix was the only bug ive encountered so far

[lavish jacinth]

if you had fps capped at 60 then you probably wouldn't notice the framerate dependency too much

[long mesa]

yeah i htink my fps is capped to 60

since thats all my monitor can do

[lavish jacinth]

but any higher or lower and stuff would start to get really screwed up

[long mesa]

reminds me of the kinda bugs games on roblox have

[flint galleon]

Can you still unlock the mastery skin for the character you started as if you transform into the heretic?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[flint galleon]

thanks!

[amber roost]

Can Egocentrism still convert item in Time-Stop Environment?

[livid wedge]

Yes

[amber roost]

Damn

[opal forge]

not sure if this is a bug but i just went to the void fields to get some extra items for my run but nothing dropped after stabalizing the vents or whatever. had this happen once before but not sure why

[full apex]

hmmm yea that shouldnt happen, any mods involved?

[leaden field]

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1304284208939929662

has been reported before but its somewhat inconsistent

I've seen it happen one single time and never again

[opal forge]

it happened once last night in a group run then again today in a solo run that i am still doing atm. so it has happened to me 2x already. but no idea what causes it. i am running artifacts but that never effected it before as far as i know

[leaden field]

yeah idk exactly what causes it

[pale hemlock]

what character has the best mastery skin

[daring cloak]

That is pretty subjective

Is what a fool would say because its false son

[quasi crystal]

Mul t

[livid wedge]

I think I like Artis the most

All her skins are pretty

[pulsar nova]

She's bad af

[vapid sundial]

Guys, when you deflect dmg with antler shield, do you also get the dmg or does it prevent it sort of like Tougher times?

[quasi crystal]

You get the damage, it's not a shield at all

[livid wedge]

You still take the damage

[proven smelt]

Any mercenary tips?

[steady stone]

Due to expose reducing cooldowns, you can use your abilities in certain orders with a bit of spacing to proc expose with each ability, effectively having no downtime and never having to touch the ground

if you're ever underpowered it helps with TP, as you can ignore the ground enemies

that and like all of your abilities have AoE, to an extent, so try to group up enemies

that, and using whirlwind m2 into a slope can get you good height (trimping)

[proven smelt]

I do know some trimping spots

thank you

[steady stone]

it's any slope really, not specific spots

[pulsar nova]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2632486396

[simple knoll]

Why do all my options reset every time I close the game?

[steady stone]

All of your options are set in a file that is not saved to the cloud, meaning it would be an error with that. Probably first step would be to validate your game files.

[long mesa]

do on crit effects work with railgunners and her weakpoint thing

i got shatterspleen earlier and idk if it was proccing bleed on weakpoint hit or anything

oh nvm, this might be why

[fading sail]

is anybody able to help me atm? i believe i discovered a glitch but this is my first time playing so im unsure if its really a bug

i was fighting the dunestrider boss, it healed, i kept attacking it and then the pot broke- but it still has a bunch of hp. no more enemies are spawning, ive been running around trying to find the boss is but theres not a dunestrider in sight

[lavish jacinth]

Where is the red arrow pointing? At the bottom right in the first screenshot, it'll show where the boss is of they're off-screen

[fading sail]

oh, thank you! i have no idea how i completely didn't see the red arrow

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah its a little annoying to spot sometimes since it disappears if you look in the direction of the boss

The other one is probably in the underground area

[ivory nest]

if I use the golden altar on stage 5 do I loop or go to mithrix after?

[daring cloak]

You will always loop if you dont use the teleporter itself

[amber roost]

Is there a way to make this,thing available?

[tender temple]

What thing

[amber roost]

the button,I have no idea what it is called

[tender temple]

A button where

The screenshot isn't very informative

[amber roost]

I thought the arrows were,but the minimize and maximize button

[ivory nest]

alright ty!

[lavish jacinth]

just set the game to windowed mode in settings

or fullscreen mode if you want the game maximized

[full apex]

alt+enter is the windows shortcut for fullscreen. the app has to support it but it has a pretty fair success rate

[long mesa]

a lot of items talk about base damage, but is there a way to figure out what my base damage is?

[daring cloak]

Its in the survivor logbooks but really its not that important to know the exact numbers

[lavish jacinth]

for most survivors it's 12 and increases by 2.4 per player level
the highest is Acrid with 15 (+3/lv), unless you count Heretic with 18 (+3.6)

But yeah the actual amount isn't something you really need to care about all that much

if something says it's base damage it just means it's a fixed amount that scales with player level, as opposed to total damage, which only proc items use and is a % of the initial hit

[flint prawn]

Your survivor's skills have a specific multiplier, using M1 or an equivalent(e.g. loader alt M2) on a mid health enemy then removing the multiplier is usually good enough for you to infer your base damage at that level

What afax says is plain better though, you can forget this lol

[long mesa]

ah alr, thanks

[flint prawn]

Some mods also help with this but I'd advise on holding off mods in general for now if you aren't really used to the game yet

[lofty dagger]

does attack speed effect scrap launcher

[steady stone]

the missile one with a cooldown right?

[lofty dagger]

yeh

[steady stone]

it does, but not the cooldown

[lofty dagger]

:C

[steady stone]

the faster you remove all the rockets, the faster you start the cooldown, so technically still more efficient

more useful for retool, since you can swap while it reloads

[full apex]

the timing for retool at base is actually pretty close

[blissful spade]

what are collectibles and where do i check them

[daring cloak]

Logs

[blissful spade]

both monster and environment?

[steady stone]

just monster, i think? i'd have to check

[daring cloak]

Ye just monsters I think

[blissful spade]

im only missing 1 monster log, no seekers

[steady stone]

according to a reddit comment, yes, monster logs

[blissful spade]

my only guess is that im only missing the logs for the two dlc bosses

and is it possible to see what elite equipments you've collected?

[daring cloak]

No

[steady stone]

putting it in the logbook would be overall a bad choice for 100%

[daring cloak]

But it would be so good for da lore

[steady stone]

im NOT grinding for perfected aspect

[daring cloak]

I got that aspect and I do wish I had some kind of pseudo trophy for it

[steady stone]

maybe a separate collection, but i just wouldnt want to grind for it for 100%. I've gotten like 6-8 glacial but never some of the others.

[daring cloak]

Even if adding such a thing in post would not carry over to previous aspect finds I absolutely would grind for it again

[jaunty herald]

You mean you don't want to grind for the perfected aspect for 100% 😦

[visual turtle]

How do you quick shoot as Captain?

I've watched a couple different vids explaining how to do it and I just can't replicate it and I don't know why

[full apex]

the m1 cancel?

iirc its shoot, pull up beacons, shoot again (same input for left beacon), and sprint to close the menu. its best done looking somewhere a beacon cant be placed because otherwise its easy to place the beacon and mess it up

since you need to sprint you have to be holding forward the whole time too

i have this as a clip but if youve been watching stuff youve probably seen it done, this doesnt have inputs or anything.

[ornate turtle]

When enemies are stunned, are they considered under the effects of a debuff for death mark?

[noble cipher]

couldn't say from experience, but the wiki says no

[glacial knoll]

Stun Freeze Shock aren't debuffs or dots so they aren't checked for by Death Mark

[noble cipher]

is there a way to filter by game mode in the server browser? looking to play simulacrum but it's annoying having to click on every lobby to check the mode

[flint galleon]

How is Acrid's "Bad Medicine" achievement hard? Do you like have to use one of your attacks on the scavenger instead of just letting the poison kill it?

[daring cloak]

Its not hard because poison cant kill

Poison can take an enemy's hp down to 1 but cant kill

As long as you make sure you dont have any allies that can deal damage and steal the kill its a fairly easy unlock

[flint galleon]

Oh, forgot poison can't kill.

So I guess it's just a matter of looping as acrid until you find a scavenger.

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, it's pretty easy

Most of acrids unlocks are basically just "play acrid" lol

[daring cloak]

Thats why I unlocked them FAR after everyone else's alts

[hot moth]

why are my phase 4 mithrix skips not working, are we sure that kjaros band still works to hit him in the perfect frame?

[daring cloak]

Yesnt

Kjaro still works but only 50% of the time

[hot moth]

damnn

that shit was so fun thoughhh

[daring cloak]

Eh p4 aint the end of the world either

[hot moth]

thats true but it always gave me a nice hit of dopamine whenever i would hit it

p4 really isnt that bad though

[daring cloak]

Especially since safer spaces got ai blacklisted meaning that mithrix softlock is no longer possible

[lavish jacinth]

and there's always the polyp strat

[full apex]

It does need to be centered, idk if you're making sure of that too

[hot moth]

im doing it right after slam down

like as soon as he hits the ground

[full apex]

Like the kjaros can't just kill 3, it has to hit 4 right away

The damage might not be lining up though i remember it being fairly weird that it kills him at all

Are you getting a hitstun that skips the item succ instead? Or just nothing

Ive seen all 3 happen so

[hot moth]

hitstun like railgunner scope shot?

[full apex]

Its like it deals damage and skips the animation so he doesn't steal the items

[hot moth]

nah he still takes items, ive been testing and i just cannot get it, i used railgunner scope shot to kill/proc bands

[lavish jacinth]

damaging him enough to cause a stagger animation (I think that's how it works anyway)

[full apex]

Interesting

[daring cloak]

Can you even stagger mithrix?

[full apex]

Yea

While spawning and changing states his stuff just gets fucked up which is why p4 skip works at all, and you can trigger this on him too

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[full apex]

With really low damage too, as long as its in the time window

Idk why

I haven't tried in a long time but I used to be able to do it very consistently with mult saw

[lavish jacinth]

by the way, do we know why the kjaro's skip doesn't work consistently now? is it just another thing that got messed up with the physics changes?

[full apex]

This is like 3 years old lol but I found it

Also this

Idk why i cut it off early but thats staggering right away so the item steal gets skipped

[steady stone]

Delta time and when it can hit, it I had to guess

[full apex]

The time stuff was fixed tho

[daring cloak]

From what ive heard kjaro only checks every second tick now

Hence the 50% chance of success

[full apex]

Interesting

[lavish jacinth]

that would make sense

[full apex]

Thats very weird tho

[lavish jacinth]

seems like a weird thing to change, but it was also weird that it checked every tick in the first place

in a way that explanation almost seems too simple lol

[full apex]

Yea
Id have to check it ig

[quasi crystal]

Is there a cap on atk spd?

[daring cloak]

Yes because eventually the animations cant go any faster

[glacial knoll]

The cap is the minimum animation time so like practically no technically yes i guess

[full apex]

And it varies quite a bit depending on how specific things are technically programmed

[lavish jacinth]

due to frame-rounding jank some survivors will also get large "gaps" where stacking AS doesn't actually change anything, even if they haven't technically hit their cap yet

[analog brook]

Has anyone like, bothered looking indepth on how staggering works ingame poise damage where sometimes if you hit a golem in a certain way it just kinda. Stops attacking

[lavish jacinth]

which isn't helped by the fact that unlike other multipliers, attack speed buffs almost always stack additively, I think is the only multiplicative AS buff in the game.

If you're stacking AS in an actual run it's usually best to just stop as soon as you aren't seeing any noticeable difference, trying to get it higher isn't generally worth the item investment

[analog brook]

I don't remember what It was but I know that certain non stunning abilities do just stagger them specifically out of an attack

[full apex]

They have a health fraction, if it's exceeded and the current animation can be interrupted, it is

I dont rember what examples are but like golems aren't hard to hit stun with damage

The weirdest part to me of miths thing is that the succ is interruptable

Freeze is also in the same category iirc as like things are marked as able to be interrupted by it?
Im not positive though been a while

[quasi crystal]

Isnt last phase mithrix immune to freeze tho I've never seen him get frozen

[full apex]

perhaps? i dont rember

freeze immunity is also its own thing tho

this is just for whether its interruptable

[full apex]

i think its here

this is setstateonhurt and has stun grenade, freeze stuff, shock, other stun, and hit stun

default 10% i thinks

[analog brook]

Where the hell is that tool tip at ingame

[full apex]

i think its meant as a code comment or maybe shows in unity or smth

here it is in action

first nade deals 126 with no stun, next is 146 and stuns

golem stun thresh is 30%, which is 144 at lvl 1

heres p4 mith

for good measure heres p1

[haughty tapir]

why is there such a ridiculous difference in ammount of scrappers and printers between multiplayer and single player, i get theres more stage credits and scaling, but it feels like ill always have scrappers in multiplayer, and only see one or two in single player runs.

or do i just have bad luck

like, just a lot of bad luck.

[steady stone]

Because of like the way stuff generates, iirc

I remember Charlie talking about something similar once
It tries to generate one thing at a time and checks if it can

It's not exactly like it just divides the credits for each type of thing, to keep it random

[haughty tapir]

i mean i get its not supposed to be garunteed

but like only typically see 1-2 scrappers in single player,

and than like 10 in multiplayer.

i get the idea of randomness, but CONSISTENCY IN RARITY BETWEEN SINGLE PLAYER AND MULTIPLAYER would be nice

[lavish jacinth]

it probably is luck too tbh

[haughty tapir]

i just always have way better multiplayer runs, and i dislike that me having a good run literally boils down to I NEED TO BE IN MULTIPLAYER.

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, scrappers aren't like the single deciding factor for good runs lol
you can absolutely get consistent runs in singleplayer

[haughty tapir]

i mean yeah

but i dont like relying on did i happen to just get a good build purely by luck

multiplayer im ussually able to get at least one good printer, and a scrapper, when i need it

single player i somehow got 20 bison steak, and never see scrappers until 5 stage, and theres no good printers. T_T

i think im just unlucky in single player

[lavish jacinth]

yeah that is just bad luck lol
multiplayer doesn't change anything about which items you get, having more spawns does mean you're a little more likely to see scrappers but it shouldn't be THAT different afaik

like, different types of interactables have different weights depending on what category they're in, scrappers are in the printer category.
Not sure what the exact weights are (trying to find it on the wiki rn but the page for director stuff is huge lol) but I know it's lower than chests, and those weights shouldn't change in multiplayer

[haughty tapir]

you see my luck in single player is

no shrines of mountain ever
all good printers are on stage one some how
i see 3 scrappers on my second to last stage
and my only mercy is 60% of my items are decent or good.

but than multiplayer:
same luck with items
scrapers consistently
printers are sometimes good, as they should be.

[steady stone]

I'd be willing to bet it's less better luck and more better teammates

[haughty tapir]

i think i just need to go back to doing public lobbies now that multiplayer is fixed, and i have experience with the dlc now

[steady stone]

A good teammate will split items based on who uses them best

[haughty tapir]

im always the good team mate lmao

[steady stone]

That, and you scout the stage faster with more people

[haughty tapir]

im like

oh backup mag, that will be good for idfk, lets say bandit

or oh make sure to give focus crstyal to the most close range based player
and bungus engi

etc

[lavish jacinth]

tbf multiplayer tends to just be easier in general if people know what they're doing

[haughty tapir]

i mean yeah obviously

but like

why is it my luck being better have to be the reason why

[steady stone]

Yeah, but it you got those same drops without your teammates, it seems bad

But with them, it seems good

Its mostly about having more variety from more chests in multiplayer and more uses on characters, rather than the drops being better

[haughty tapir]

yeah

thats the point i literally have been making.

i just wish youd get more variety in single player

not more stuff, just more variety.

[steady stone]

Your point was luck being a problem, mine is perspective

[haughty tapir]

i have a horrible pun about how i just read your messages with a different perspective (thats it, thats the pun)

anyways, i dont mind dying to skill issue, i just dont like dying because i literally couldnt get enough mobility, or dps, regen, or whatever it is im lacking, generally because of increased credit in multiplayer im able to geta build i need, vs single player, i just have to hope i get a run where i get items i need
-# is now a good time to mention im running sacrifice and doing false son, and im using sacrfice so i can actually get the same amount of loot i would have gotten if i was doing mithrix

[steady stone]

It comes with experience, I will say

[haughty tapir]

anyways im probably just unlucky most of the time.

because now i just got a run where i actually am getting items i need.

[steady stone]

I don't really know how it happens, but you learn how to optimize your runs

[haughty tapir]

i have 400 hours.

im not a newbie lmao

[steady stone]

It's kind of like OSU where you just gonna wake up one day cracked at the game and you never know when ngl

[haughty tapir]

i know how to optimize, its just very bad luck i have, im not sure how im supposed to optimize when i have no chance of turning the bad items into good ones
(btw to clarify, im not like blaming the game for my bad luck, mostly)

that or im supposed to some make war banners good against false son (jk i understand what you mean lol)

[lavish jacinth]

in your defense it doesn't help that SotS basically diluted the item pool with a ton of garbage lol

[haughty tapir]

you see that doesnt help, because im using the black list mod to black list specifically knock back fin, antler, and warbonds, just specifically those 3

oh and luminous shot

and unstable transmitter...

maybe not just those 3

[full apex]

the odds are probably slightly lower because this is pre-any dlc, so more interactables in the pool with DLCs on, but this is rallypoint 1p and 4p

0.8 vs 1.7 avg scrapper per stage

so like at least one in 55% vs 81% which is a big consistency difference just from spawning more stuff in general

[queen otter]

what effect is this??

[lavish jacinth]

twisted elite buff

[queen otter]

ty!

[haughty tapir]

i thought that was a random emoji for a second lol

anyways it also doesnt help im doing a 3 stage run (excluding prime merdian)

thats is quite literally 2 less stages to try and get good stuff

i refuse to loop

[full apex]

less item is def less powerful, idk if it compensates well for lower difficulty on the boss

i feel like rushing FS has seemed like a pretty rough idea, i havent had very consistent luck with it

idk if its just me or if its much worse in MP but yea

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, killing FS without looping is really luck dependent

[haughty tapir]

i should probably stop doing this on monsoon (NOTTTT!!!)

[lavish jacinth]

the only run I've had where I easily killed him preloop was with Acrid, everyone else felt like a complete crap shoot and eventually I just caved and started looping lol

[haughty tapir]

looping it is just annoying cuz it can be even more luck dependent to get the path

[hoary sedge]

i think no loop false son would be a lot better if the laser was like

[sharp totem]

How can I let the game loop without entering an artifact portal, or having to activate the blue portal?

[hoary sedge]

dodgable

[haughty tapir]

that would help a lot