ror2-game-questions

[steady stone]

is the "op" build

[jovial thistle]

Good times, been a while

[steady stone]

Tonic gives you insane buffs, with a chance to give you a permanent debuff when it ends. Gesture lowers the cooldown, at either 4 or 5 it's infinite so no downside.

[daring cloak]

Its 4

[jovial thistle]

3 fuel cells + 1 gesture (or 4 gestures: every gesture after the first gives the same amount of reduction as a fuel cells)

[steady stone]

You can mix fuel cells too, 1 gesture and 3 of gesture or cell

After the first gesture they're the same as a cell

[livid wedge]

Does the twisted aura deal damage equal to a % of the attackers health or monsters health? @full apex

[daring cloak]

Currently 2.5% of your max hp

[livid wedge]

Does that include shields?

[daring cloak]

Probably

[steady stone]

Shield counts as "max" health for most things but not overhealth, so id assume same here

Like won't count, same with for Ethereal

[frail widget]

When you kill a gilded elite will you regain all the gold that was stolen?

[daring cloak]

I dont think so

[steady stone]

Maybe? Let me read

[frail widget]

I-

[jovial thistle]

They have promised to fix them to have altered gold stealing later

[steady stone]

Yea you get the gold back

[livid wedge]

Barrier isn't considered max health for blood shrine either

[steady stone]

Just read the wiki, returns gold and the on kill gold

[frail widget]

Wait. The False Son, the boss of the DLC is playable?! How do you even play something that big? Is that balanced in any way?

[livid wedge]

When you kill an enemy, you get their gold

[steady stone]

He's small as a character

[daring cloak]

Its fairly balanced yes and its not a 1:1 copy

[frail widget]

Ohhhhhh

[livid wedge]

That's how you get gold from kills, they spawn with it

[daring cloak]

If it was a 1:1 copy that laser would be fucking broken

[livid wedge]

So you'll get back gilded elite gold as well

[frail widget]

I look at the art in the road map and holy cow. Did he look a lot bigger.

[steady stone]

Could've been the boss

[daring cloak]

Ye idk whats up with that I think they just took the boss version for some reason

The footage in general is a bit weird

[steady stone]

New false son alt: you just turn into the boss

[daring cloak]

Like they literally showed blazing and overloading ELITE MAGMA WORMS in the showcase

[frail widget]

Question about Seeker. Is she basically the Paladin esque character that was voted on years ago?

[steady stone]

Elite magma worms exist in Honor iirc

Same with overloading

[daring cloak]

There were regular imps it wasnt honor

There were just

Elite worms

[steady stone]

Support character with decent attacks and a revive skill

[daring cloak]

Its interesting that theyll make the revive work in singleplayer too

[steady stone]

Regen dios

[frail widget]

Ahhhh, so not another melee character?

[daring cloak]

Like seeker is becoming even more unkillable

[jovial thistle]

I assume they are going to remove the invulnerabilty on the utility

[frail widget]

Sorry, I don't have her. Hence my questions.

[jovial thistle]

No, she is a ranged puncher XD

[daring cloak]

Why would they ever do that

Its a melee attack

Though I could see them make it unaffected by damage reduction like raps

Similar to how the void fog does it

[jovial thistle]

Just my feelings on it, it is very strong, and that is just how Egg works too

[jovial thistle]

That or they remove invisibility

[daring cloak]

Yes

[wide parrot]

no thats actually False Son

[frail widget]

huh

okay, thanks

[marble osprey]

It does not, which does mean that transcendence reduces the damage to one

I did a decent amount of testing with it recently bc I was curious about the interaction with twisted elites and antler shield, bc I'm pretty sure antler shield was intended to be a counter to twisted elites

[olive aspen]

is there a way to only select a single item out of a stack to scrap?

im overcapped on crit

[marble osprey]

Unfortunately no, scrapping takes 10 at a time

[mellow tartan]

Hi, im kinda new to Ror2, is the game still played as much as it used to be?

[steady stone]

it peaked with SOTV really, but it's still alright

a large portion of the game plays singleplayer, it's fun

[mellow tartan]

Ah, ok thanks

[steady stone]

that and there's normally 1-5 lobbies in #lfg-pc-ror2, even during the times it's dead

[mellow tartan]

Thank you!

[jade condor]

Is False Son's M1 supposed to send enemies into the backrooms

[daring cloak]

Yes that thing has hella knockback

[brazen sluice]

ok so what about popping up? thats the part that realy confuses me. sometimes i just go somewhat near them and they pop up and other times i could be standing ontop of them and shooting the ground near them and they just sleep

[balmy stirrup]

is the game ever getting crossplay??

[daring cloak]

Unlikely

[balmy stirrup]

man, that really sucks

[fading star]

yo guys im trying the oblerterate boss and the scavenger keeps healing himself with like 60k by spalshing himself with something oranage. I literally cannot kill him. the closest I got was stacking his bleed up to like 330 and he slid away from me and canceled all the bleed

I have no idea what to do

[daring cloak]

Ahhhhh kipkip

Destroyer of dreams

First of all

Kipkip has 3 genesis loops so when he gets below 25% hp hes basically gonna nuke anything in line of sight

Stacking bleed is definitely an option

But you can also try to bring kipkip to the edge of the stage and push him off

[fading star]

i tried that but he somehow slids halfway across the map randomly

[fading star]

I'll try that

[fading star]

it worked thank you so much

I meant pushing him off the map

[haughty tapir]

WAS MULTIPLAYER FIXED

[daring cloak]

Iiiiiii thinkkk?

Ive heard mixed things

But there were a lot of multiplayer bugs fixed

[haughty tapir]

non host discconect

[daring cloak]

Yeah no clue

Only one way to find out ig

[olive aspen]

what are the best lunar abilities for commando

[sinful fractal]

How does bandit invis work? Do the enemies attack last seen location or is there something else

[daring cloak]

Ruin is absolutely peak on commando

[lavish jacinth]

they attack the last location they saw you, then they get updates on your position every second until you're visible again. They're also much more likely to target other allies besides you

so having drones or other minions will also make cloaking more effective

[sinful fractal]

Like 1 second delay? Or they won't attack even though they know where i am?

[lavish jacinth]

it's sorta like making monsters play at 1fps, they can only see your position once every second and will keep attacking that spot even after you move

[hoary sedge]

essence is amazing, strides is good but a bit bland to play, hooks is decent once you have enough procs that you arent relying on the m2 for damage

tldr, for the love of GOD dont pick up visions

[olive aspen]

can i buy multiple from the portal area?

[hoary sedge]

yeah as long as you have the coins to roll for em

[daring cloak]

So since you can now use the halcyon shrine to exit a stage mid tp event what happens to the halcyon seed if you leave while aurelionite is present?

[hoary sedge]

can buy up to 5 lunars per bazaar visit

[daring cloak]

Does the seed come back or do you just ditch auri

[lavish jacinth]

you just leave and don't get the seed, I would assume. It'd be weird if you still got it without having to kill auri

[daring cloak]

No I mean ally auri

[olive aspen]

i have hooks essence and visions

should i take all of those

[daring cloak]

Since the seed jumps out of your inventory during tp events

Or actually I misinterpreted that

[lavish jacinth]

essence definitely
NOT visions
hooks probably

[hoary sedge]

take essence for sure and hooks if you feel like it

[daring cloak]

Its still just... kind of a crazy oversight if thats actually what happens

[lavish jacinth]

oh I'm stupid lmao
uhhhh no idea

I don't know what specifically triggers seed to return to your inventory, I know it'll come back if auri dies but idk if leaving the stage counts as killing it

[full apex]

is visions worse than double tap?

i dont rember

[lavish jacinth]

iirc it's a downgrade for everyone except huntress and engie

[full apex]

i know a lotta chars like cap or mult rely on their m1, so that probably makes general sense

i think i have something that lists DT as worse but it is probably ooooooooooooooooold like pre-buff old

[lavish jacinth]

maybe railgunner too actually, I wanna say visions is around 480% dps but I can't remember for sure

[full apex]

if this sheet is accurate still i have visions as 430% ish

per sec

[lavish jacinth]

that sounds about right

[frank sluice]

isn't Visions also better on Engineer until a certain attack speed

[full apex]

its better on engi yea

CD lowers total effectiveness of attack speed, but since it means getting to reload sooner its still good

[frank sluice]

been trying to find the attack speed threshold that Visions start to get outscaled

[full apex]

at base its 2s reload 3.5s ish of shooting, so AS will affect >50% of the cycle, but on like mando ofc it affects 100% of the cycle

i have a sheet for it

if you have a dps you want me to try and compare against i can try to rember how this thing works lmao

[full apex]

i have an even older sheet that says engis m1 is around 307%/s

[frank sluice]

Engi M1 yes please

[full apex]

also yea this is from the same sheet

[frank sluice]

I wanna know how much attack speed I need for base turret M1 to outscale Visions

[full apex]

hmmm i dont rember exactly how AS affects his m1, like if it can just be divided like other stuff

[full apex]

turrets are here and those i can easily change the AS on

i think i stored that info in the past but no idea where i put it. one sec

[frank sluice]

yeah honestly i don't care that much about Engi's M1, that's an unbindable skill XD

[frank sluice]

Turret M1 I very much care

[full apex]

325% AS is somewhat close to visions being equal

its slightly different for the two, i can get more precise if you care

[frank sluice]

nah I just wanna know what that is in terms of /

[olive aspen]

ceremonial dagger or shattering justice for commando

im in monsoon

[hoary sedge]

both are really good, overall dagger is probably better imo but if you need more single target damage take shustice

[frank sluice]

[olive aspen]

i have 2 ukeleles, so i should probably go shattering justice?

[frank sluice]

damn that's like 22

[full apex]

317% on stationary is visions 0.12% better, so basically the same.
331% on mobile is visions 0.04% worse so basically the same.

15 syringes is +225%, so thats in the rough range

[frank sluice]

unless I'm bad at math and don't understand how item scaling works

[full apex]

since 100% AS is base

[lavish jacinth]

probably yeah

[frank sluice]

that's why i'm bad at math

[full apex]

ceremonial dagger is super strong, its a key piece for autoplay so it might be a better choice

shattering isnt super impressive but it is damage up, though it will probably be better against a final boss or smth

[lavish jacinth]

shustice also works on mithrix without and gives you an easy debuff for death mark

[frank sluice]

I'd take if you have enough AoE already

and and what have you

[lavish jacinth]

ceredag has a lot of potential, but if you're set for crowd control and don't have FMP you'd be better off with the single-target damage

[olive aspen]

do you guys scrap bison steaks & other health or shield items for damage

[lavish jacinth]

bison steak is auto scrap if I'm not playing false son

but shields can be nice to have sometimes

[olive aspen]

& which are the best defensive items for commando or ranged i gues

[frank sluice]

if you can reliably use the scrap, always scrap

[full apex]

steak is nice on like s1 but after that its relevance becomes much lower... its decent on 2 but can be basically scrapped whenever you want and past s2 for sure its not super great anymore. psg can be much nicer as you scale because its %

if you have an item you really want available and arent feeling like the shields are currently really impactful you can just toss them for that, or if you have very strong healing you may want to toss shields

[hoary sedge]

the only defensive/health items i consistently keep are slug, sometimes repulsion armor, and tougher times, rest range from situational to autoscrap

[frank sluice]

ay don't throw shade on my G

[lavish jacinth]

(same for pretty much every survivor)

[marble osprey]

PSG is essentially bison steak but with a ton of slugs for that health, so it's better than just max health until you get really good health recovery

[lavish jacinth]

I might be forgetting some

[hoary sedge]

scrap is potentially VERY strong so if you have unnecessary defense bc you're either not getting hit much or it wont be enough to save you its almost always worth it to scrap

[lavish jacinth]

technically is defensive
(and better than most people say it is, don't believe the slander)

[full apex]

on a base hp char like mando, you need ~313 health for 25 flat to be equal to 8%, so around lvl 7. before that steak is decent, after that it just continues to get worse

[frank sluice]

gets gutted on eclipse :(

[hoary sedge]

was significantly better before they ported the console void infestor bug to pc

[marble osprey]

Fr I love hitting a void cradle and instantly getting murked ❤️

[full apex]

on higher hp chars steak falls off faster.
hitting lvl 5-7+ is not super tough....

[lavish jacinth]

sad but true
just gotta wait for a fix

[daring cloak]

Wait what bug

[frank sluice]

that's... not a bug though

[lavish jacinth]

but it's not that hard to be careful with cradles and polyp lol

[daring cloak]

The crazy dispersing?

[lavish jacinth]

the one where they don't jump in the air

[daring cloak]

Oh yeah

[hoary sedge]

the one where void infestors shoot sideways out of the cradles instead of straight up like they used to

[frank sluice]

oh that's a bug yeah

[daring cloak]

They rarely shoot sideways though

Usually they just stand still for a second

Unless the cradle is fairly slanted

[lavish jacinth]

when they shot straight up, squid turrets would just yeet them into the stratosphere. But now they go sideways or just drop onto the ground

[frank sluice]

oh that hasn't been fixed in this update (unless I'm bad at reading)

[hoary sedge]

really? it happens almost every time for me

[daring cloak]

Its a rarity for me

Since Ive been dealing with it since console sotv Ive gotten used to the timings and can basically exploit them being in that one spot to spawn camp em

[torn gyro]

Is Artifact Of Rebirth just ridiculously broken?

[lavish jacinth]

not really

[frank sluice]

is balance and artifacts supposed to be in the same sentence

[lavish jacinth]

it only lets you carry over one item and it's single-use, if anything it's kinda crap compared to command or sacrifice lol

[torn gyro]

Ah, that's true

I got Sonorous Whispers in mine, which is why I asked

[lavish jacinth]

ironically that's weaker than just having sacrifice

[torn gyro]

I prefer chests and shrines and stuff, with a sprinkling of random items in there tbh, rather than 100% only drop from enemies

[lavish jacinth]

even still

[sonic quiver]

Have they fixed the bugged Logbooks for the variants of Bulwark’s in this new patch?

[frank sluice]

If I read this message from Wolfo right, it's fixed #1303048769423540296 message

[sinful fractal]

What's a fun genesis loop build for engineer with command artifact? Like if i wanted to have fun

[frank sluice]

but also Disturbed Impact's log is still bugged (once again thank you Wolfo) #1282393853210660964 message

[sonic quiver]

I guess I better get to testing

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, is the obvious starting point
attack speed makes gloop's explosion go off faster
other than that you can really add anything you want to it, total damage procs would be good

you might actually want to avoid bungus and/or use mobile turrets, since you actually want turrets to get to low health to proc gloop and the elixir will take care of the healing

[marble osprey]

Doesn't elixir stop glupe from activating, same way it stops watches from breaking

[frank sluice]

nope, funny interaction

[narrow lion]

Does anyone know why my ror2 doesn't load past 79%? I have mods on

[frank sluice]

well your first vector of investigation probably should be to turn the mods off

the game just updated, mods are expected to break

[sinful fractal]

Does potion proc reset once turrets go above threshold?

[lavish jacinth]

consumed items on turrets get refreshed each time you build a new one, as long as you don't lose your own copy

[sinful fractal]

Oh, so stacking lysate cells are important in that gimmick build

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, a little? you can also just get more elixirs

[sinful fractal]

Is the explosion affected by ignition tank?

[sinful fractal]

Oh right

[lavish jacinth]

no

ignition tank only affects burn DoT

[frank sluice]

you may also consider 38 to permanently be under 25% should your shield never regens

[sinful fractal]

Psg converts health to shield?

It doesn't add shield to hp?

[frank sluice]

it does, but at 38 stacks, it adds slightly more than 3 times your HP

which means over 75% of your total HP is shields

yes, the threshold is calculated with your total HP, which is health + shields

[sinful fractal]

Oh lol. For command runs it's best to get 1 shipping request form to get more drops, right?

Does genesis loop have an internal cd?

[frank sluice]

it does! 15 seconds.

reduced with more loops

something to the tune of 30 / (1 + stack) per second

so 15, 10, 7.5, etc

[sinful fractal]

Nice. I'll test out the suicide squad build later. Thanks 😁

[frank sluice]

if you want to consider an easier suicide squad build, Fuel Array

as long as you yourself don't get under 50%, you can lay down as many suicide turrets as you want

[lavish jacinth]

unless this was changed, no it doesn't

or at least, it's a lot less than 15 seconds

[frank sluice]

ye the actual formula I did mention right underneath

[lavish jacinth]

oh lol

my reading comprehension is bad tonight

[opal willow]

lock in

[vapid sundial]

Is multiplayer working ok for you guys? My friend and I wanted to play but whenever we tried to join eachother's servers we would just appear dead on the other's screen and get stuck in a balck screen

[lavish jacinth]

multiplayer just seems to be kinda glitchy atm, I'm not sure how much was fixed in the update tho.
In my experience joining to a black screen normally means either one person has crossplay enabled, or an issue with incompatible mods, but mods are all probably broken right now anyway

[olive aspen]

what's the damage falloff for predatory instinct stacking?

[frank sluice]

it stacks linearly, so already every stack after is worse than the stack before

doesn't mean it's bad to stack it, because almost every item in the game is the same

[lavish jacinth]

you effectively get 24% attack speed per stack (36% on the first), assuming you keep the buff going

although unlike direct damage multipliers, all attack speed buffs (except tonic) are additive with eachother, not multiplicative

attack speed in general also has extra falloff due to frame rounding jank

[sinful fractal]

Does predatory instinct activate per hit? Like per pellet of bandit/captain?

[lavish jacinth]

soooo it's really hard to calculate how effective it'll be when talking about large stacks of it

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, each hit is an individual proc

although the buff duration is affected by proc coeff

[sinful fractal]

Has anyone done the maths what's the equivalent proc coeff of pellet shots?

[lavish jacinth]

you can just add them together

bandit's shotgun is effectively 2.5 per shot assuming all pellets land, captains' is effectively 6

[sinful fractal]

So at 2.5 effective proc coef, aside from range, why go alt m1 on bandit?

[lavish jacinth]

because the procs on the rifle are stronger

keep in mind, most proc items use a % of the hit that procced them

[sinful fractal]

Oooh. So better for things like atg?

[lavish jacinth]

the shotgun has a higher proc chance per shot, but the individual pellets do less damage. So like an atg would proc more often but the missiles would be a lot weaker

[frank sluice]

per pellet
the shotgun still has a higher proc chance per shot as said above

generally fewer people play rifle, it's a playstyle choice

rifle also has the accuracy to go with it

[lavish jacinth]

like, an atg from a shotgun pellet does around 300% damage, but from the rifle it would be 990%. So for the shotgun to roughly equal it'd need at least 3 missiles to proc from a single shot

[full apex]

theres 3 things to consider with ability stuffs

[lavish jacinth]

thing is, with total damage procs at least, proc chance isn't everything. You still have to consider the damage and coeff of each individual shot.
there's a VERY big difference between 500% damage with 2.5 coeff, and 5x100% with 0.5 coeff each

[full apex]

dps is just % x rate of fire
pps is procs per sec, which is the proc coeff x rate of fire
pdps is proc dps, for things like total damage, so atg and etc. which is all 3 terms, the damage %, the proc %, and the rate of fire

so for 5x100x0.5 your proc damage per shot would be all of those terms which is 250%

rifle is 330% right?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[full apex]

so 1x330x1 is 330% for total damage proc stuff

which is higher
it also has no falloff, shotgun does so at range it falls to half damage

you can use that for basically anything too
like commando m1 is 6 shots/s, 100% per shot for dmg and proc
so dps 600%, pps for like bleed and stuff is 6, and pdps is the full 600%
for nailgun its 70% dmg, 60% proc, and 12/s
so 840%/s, 7.2 pps, and 504%/s pdps

so nailgun is more damage, faster bleeds, but will be lower atg dps

[strong cypress]

does anyone know on which criteria gearbox chooses to implement the community suggestions

[full apex]

idk if anyone besides their team can know that haha

[strong cypress]

like there were ppl asking for fixing the physics so trimping and host skip would come back

[strong cypress]

ah damn

[full apex]

best we could do is go off the examples of things they liked in the past, but we dont have a ton to work with until the rebalance patch arrives

[strong cypress]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

I assume they'd listen to things that a lot of people want and that more or less aligns with their views on the game

[strong cypress]

im okay with just playing on downpatch i just hope they fix the physics issues really

also gearbox pls remove pillars ill be forever grateful

[left trellis]

personally i don't anticipate them rolling back the physics changes
afaik the physics changes were not done for any mechanical or balance reason, but rather for the sake of performance
the new physics are much more performant, and the drawbacks have been minimal at best

[lavish jacinth]

unmake hopoo's mistakes

[strong cypress]

not if you play merc or like host skipping

[left trellis]

the tech you are describing are deep knowledge that the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't use or know about

[lavish jacinth]

ideally they'd find a way to re-implement those mechanics while keeping the better performance

[strong cypress]

yeah like hopoo made mistakes like pillars i really really think that was one of the worst decisions theyve made, maybe as bad as voidling

[strong cypress]

yeah but it adds depth to the game like rocketjumping or bhopping in quake, it would be a shame for that to be lost

[left trellis]

i do think cool tech is nice to have, but given that better performance affects all players and niche merc tech + h0st skip affects only a small percentage of players, i have my doubts that they will roll it back solely for that

[lavish jacinth]

I think pillars were an attempt to call back to the blast doors on contact light, but they forgot about the part where contact light is fun and has actual loot behind the doors

[left trellis]

i like the mods that make pillars drop items. makes them feel worthwhile

[full apex]

contact light keycard doors were interesting since they added effects to the final boss

[strong cypress]

they need to totally rework that honestly its baffling how decided to make pillars like that

[full apex]

having pillars in each area available but have some impact on the fight based on what combination you pick could be interesting

[strong cypress]

personally ive never had issues with performance pre patch only after sots so i think reverting is the best option

[strong cypress]

thats good too

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I've seen a few people suggest something similar, it would be more fun than just being forced to do them for no reward

[lavish jacinth]

tbf just because you didn't have issues doesn't mean nobody did

[full apex]

hell you could just make them take a small chunk of hp out of a given phase of the fight, a phase for each type, and it would be somewhat neat

[lavish jacinth]

remember, people do play this game on the overambitious calculator that is the Switch

[full apex]

blood makes sense to take mith hp and soul could make sense to weaken (and maybe return an item) in p4

[left trellis]

given that RoR2 is a massive CPU bottleneck in the worst cases and physics calculations are done by the CPU, upgrading the physics to be more performant is literally exactly the sort of thing you want to do when optimizing a game like this. like it's one of the most impactful things you can do across the board

[full apex]

i wonder how much is engine locked as well

[strong cypress]

ye i know im using my own personal experience here too its just that its annoying how cool tech is removed, maybe they can re-implement it in a different way

[full apex]

like at some point theres only so much you can do. i have noticed times where toooooooons of projectiles cause the host to lag but clients may be ok, presumably because they have less to think about

[lavish jacinth]

I definitely think they should re-add it, it's basically an intended mechanic at this point.

[strong cypress]

yeah and im ok with them not bringing back host skip just delete pillars lmaoooo

[lavish jacinth]

iirc hopoo specifically avoided fixing the quail/headstompers interaction because it was too useful to get rid of, I assume the same applies to other tech

[left trellis]

i forget, does that one mod that downgrades the physics DLL add back h0st skip by happenstance

i should test that

[strong cypress]

yeah and for merc i think its not too big of an ask to reimplement trimps and booping because theyre basically part of his kit

[full apex]

teleport_on_cursor

[strong cypress]

its like if they decided to remove gunboats from soldier in tf2 lmao

[full apex]

set_pos 100 500 200

moon? more like
mn when i skip the middle portion (pillars) lolll

[strong cypress]

thankfully since i still play prepatch i can just trimp as merc

[full apex]

sometimes i dont mind pillars and others i am annoyed by them

[strong cypress]

lowkey i was hoping gbx would rework commencement for sots

[full apex]

honestly sometimes ive just hit my 'charge zone' bind lmao.

[strong cypress]

if the dlc was just that id pay them full price for it still

[full apex]

i get to like 75% on a mass with nothing spawned and groan

[left trellis]

https://thunderstore.io/c/riskofrain2/p/Thrayonlosa/KCCDownpatcher/
oh this might just do the thing

Pre-sots physics reintroduces a few "features" such as:

Mercenary bumping (Chef and False Son can also bump)
Terrain clipping
Fixes trimping causing positive fall damage
Teleportation bouncing
Old pot rolling

[full apex]

pot rolling

[strong cypress]

thats perfect

[full apex]

just pushing one into a corner to demo the gilded shield bug was annoying enough i just kept resetting the stage until i had one already in a corner, because it was faster

[left trellis]

shoutout to the mod thumbnail btw that shit is hilarious

[full apex]

sawmerang

ok the funny, boomerang is basically smol samerang

normally, you cant launch a ton of saws easily. mid-late game with good proc coeff, you can get TONS of boomerangs stuck on walls hahahaha

it can be a lil laggy if its too bad

[lavish jacinth]

doesn't boomerang also cause bleed if you're carrying a sawmerang

[left trellis]

oh i didn't even realize it also keeps the optimizations for enemies
honestly just implementing this mod wholesale into the vanilla game might do exactly what you're asking for without the performance loss lol

[full apex]

whenever i have boomer and good proc rates i love just randomly having 1-2 find their way back to me basically nonstop

[full apex]

also yea because they reused the projectile component without checking the byproducts of that lol (though tbf why tf saw coded like that)

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's literally just an if statement to check if you're holding sawmerang, isn't it?

[full apex]

the boomerang projectile that both use has a line inside of itself that checks your equipment and gives it bleed on hit if its saw

wtf lol

[left trellis]

that is. fascinating logic

and i thought ror1 code was silly

[lavish jacinth]

ok, goofy conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing:
hopoo added that line as future-proofing in case they ever wanted to reuse the boomerang-style projectile, all they'd have to do is copy the code and leave out that line

but gearbox just went and copied the whole thing including that line

[full apex]

yea its just "if this is the boomerangprojectile component and if ur holding saw this damage instance should bleed"

i feel like

they could have just put bleedonhit as a damagetype... on saw...

[strong cypress]

i really hope they rework seekers special

[lavish jacinth]

they said they would

[left trellis]

that logic reads to me like gearbox added that check explicitly so they could reuse saw for boomerang
like i cant imagine why that check would be included by hopoo when initially creating saw

sure maybe it would be for later usage but that's a really strange way to futureproof it

[strong cypress]

im excited for the changes and seeker is the coolest survivor MINUS that weird combo thing i know its weird but its really preventing me from liking the character

[lavish jacinth]

I doubt they'll get rid of it

[full apex]

thats why its weird lmao

[lavish jacinth]

they said they'd rework how tranquility stacks work though

[full apex]

im pretty sure it was there in the past

[strong cypress]

well i guess its something

[full apex]

hopefully saving grace isnt the 7th stack later lol

[lavish jacinth]

the weird minigame totally only exists because it was cool when helldivers 2 did it, but I'm fine with it

I just wish there was more strategy to using it besides immediately maxing the stacks, maybe waiting on the 7th if you're in multiplayer

[full apex]

i dont mind it
adds some uniqueness to lux seeker

[strong cypress]

it just feels a little clunky idk

id be happy with an alternate ability too tbh

[full apex]

since it heals and gives barrier, in multiplayer it can be worth pacing youself instead of rushing 6 stacks so you can get the heals and barrier as needed without wasting rez

[strong cypress]

cuz it feels like the rest of their kit has good synergy with one another minus the special

[full apex]

but it is a lil annoying esp since you kinda lose the ability at 6, unlike singleplayer

[lavish jacinth]

they probably designed it with multiplayer in mind

[full apex]

i jsut find it strange how powerful the rez feels and how underwhelming saving grace feels

[left trellis]

to me it feels weirder because with the way Helldivers 2 is designed, stratagem codes are a mechanical skill that you can learn to get better at the game
you improve at the game by learning the muscle memory to speed-dial an air strike to take out patrols
but with seeker, the DDR is random, so you just kinda. have to stumble through it. it doesn't feel like you're learning a mechanical skill, it feels like you're playing impromptu simon says

[full apex]

like it could just be a 1up... like shaping or dios or smth... but they probably wanted you to save it sometimes.

[lavish jacinth]

I know, I'm just saying that's totally where they got the idea lol

[strong cypress]

yeah i dont mind that at all in fact i think its good coop'ers get that i just want seeker to have something more interesting for singleplayer too

[full apex]

and seeker probably shouldnt be able to rez herself as is since i suspect it would let you get infinite rez's unless they specifically lock it out for the stage

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, this

[full apex]

i would like to test some time rez looping with 2 seekers

i feel like it should work but without frend hard to test haha

[strong cypress]

something i feel like hopoo struggled with was making kits that have good synergy with each other tbh

like captain is one of my least favorite survivors because of it and seeker seemed to be a step in the right direction

[lavish jacinth]

rex and engie honestly feel more like supports than captain does

[strong cypress]

true

i hate them too tho lmao

[lavish jacinth]

engie's fun to build, I wish he were a little more interesting to play

[sonic quiver]

Can confirm Bulwark’s Ambry variants’ logbooks are no longer bugged.

Still don’t know abt Disturbed Impact

[left trellis]

i dont even think gearbox has done this particularly well either. they've just made characters that actually have support tools that feel good to use
that's not really synergy, that's just what support tools do

[lavish jacinth]

I wish we had more survivors that have unique ways to use items like engie does

[strong cypress]

yeah maybe support tools is a better term

[left trellis]

ye

false son as a support survivor goes extremely hard tbh

lunar ruin is crazy

[strong cypress]

i dont really enjoy multiplayer tho tbh and what i want is instead for a character to be able to stand on its own while also having good support in multiplayer

[lavish jacinth]

imo the best way to do support in a game like this is just to have tools that benefit teammates as much as they benefit yourself
weaken, lunar ruin, bungus turrets, etc

[strong cypress]

nah the best way to support in this game is to get in a call and say nice things to each other while you both separately grind e8

[left trellis]

that's the tricky part
that is the best way to do it, and that fact sort of closes up the design space and limits what kind of support you can make for a character

like you cant have anything resembling a tf2 medic type character without some major reworks. the medigun as a thing just doesn't make sense in ror2

[strong cypress]

uhh counterpoint you can ubersaw enemies and perpetually keep yourself ubered

its a stupid niche strategy tho tbf

[left trellis]

you know what i mean :P

obviously tf2 medic is an extreme example but he points to an overall limitation in designing any character with support. they can't be certain kinds of support without being entirely unviable on their own

[strong cypress]

ye i do lol maybe something better would be like having a aoe heal that heals you as well as everyone in it

it would be good for yourself obvs but also for your drones too

[left trellis]

which is what seeker has

it's not huge but her special does that

[strong cypress]

true true

[lavish jacinth]

stuff like root and freeze also works, CC tools that other people can follow up on

[strong cypress]

the other issue tho is that i dont really like healing in this game

maybe cuz i play e8 but i prefer stuff that gives armor or barrier as opposed to healing

[left trellis]

enemy debuffs i think are probably just the best way to implement team support tbh

i gotta check, what does Knight do again...

[strong cypress]

like im not bragging or anything but i dont really end up in situations where i need to heal, moreso i need to avoid getting hit in the first place

[lavish jacinth]

ror2's approach to healing is also kinda weird, at least compared to other roguelikes

usually health tends to be a rare-ish resource, but ror2 makes it really easy to heal almost instantly and counters it by making enemies do a ton of damage (or the other way around, same difference)

[left trellis]

(talking about Starstorm 2 but) Knight will apparently provide attack and movement speed to himself and allies and now based on this conversation I'm wondering if it would be cooler if he gave defensive buffs

like in terms of a thing existing in ror2 design space that would fill a new niche, defensive support

[strong cypress]

yeah and idk by design healing items are a wasted item because if you scrap it you can potentially get more damage or utility item instead

[lavish jacinth]

part of me misses when most healing items were flat amounts and not a %

[left trellis]

ehhh, healing items are a waste assuming perfect play, but you can't assume perfect play

[strong cypress]

the potential of a healing items as scrap is higher than the benefit they give as an item is what im trying to say

[strong cypress]

thats true like i always keep at least 1 slug or wungus but everything else i scrap

ofc you cant play perfectly but scrapping healing items means you can potentially get more mobility or dr which allows for more room of error in the first place

idk healing just exists in a weird spot for me lol

[left trellis]

it depends on the build and character i think
like if im playing power mode nailgun mul-t i would want in-combat healing so i can sit in my turret mode for longer without having to bail and wait for recovery stuff to kick in

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't help that the two items meant to help make healing more useful are pretty garbage

[strong cypress]

mhm true true one thing that annoys me about e8 is that it makes tanking builds unviable

[left trellis]

righttt. i don't play any E8 but that's a good point

[strong cypress]

its kinda insane how brooch is just a better aegis and disciple is like nukahanas but good AND you dont even need healing

[lavish jacinth]

raincoat is a better aegis most of the time

[strong cypress]

i get that some reds need to be bad to be balanced but like jfc i feel like a lot of my runs most of my reds are bad

[strong cypress]

prolly for the best tbh, i enjoy the challenge but i wish the balance was done in a more interesting way that didn't make certain builds unviable

[left trellis]

yeahh i was just thinking that

[lavish jacinth]

eeeeehhh, I don't think they need to be bad to balanced, they just need to be... y'know, balanced
the whole point of red tier is that the items are rare but strong

[lavish jacinth]

this is exactly why I don't like eclipse lol

[strong cypress]

i cant quit eclipse like i hate it it limits so many things but monsoon is too easy for me arrrgggg

now that we're on the topic of eclipse like can we talk about how stupid some modifiers are, like the fall damage modifier is basically non existent for merc and loader but cripples engi and captain

also rex lmao

rex is fucked on e8 because why not

[lavish jacinth]

for loader e3 is literally nonexistent lol
e1 also doesn't affect anyone but engie, and he's only slightly inconvenienced at worst

[strong cypress]

yeah and the only modifier that makes any meaningful gameplay difference is e8

[lavish jacinth]

e4 and e7 are kinda fun at least

[strong cypress]

yeah i guess so but i honestly couldnt tell the difference too much

[lavish jacinth]

rogue legacy 2 has a modifier I really like, which just makes it so early-game enemies have a chance to be replaced with equivalent lategame ones (so in ror2 lemurians would have a chance to be replaced with elder lems for example)

I really wish ror2 had stuff like that, it makes the game harder but not in a way that feels like the game is kneecapping you

[strong cypress]

oh yeah that would be so much more interesting

i just want eclipse modifiers to make the game harder but not in ways that are limiting

[lavish jacinth]

exactly

[strong cypress]

like other roguelikes do the difficulty progression system much better imo

[olive aspen]

what are the best lunar items on huntress? doing a monsoon run

[little cloak]

Is it me or is multiplayer more difficult than playing solo's?

[marble osprey]

Essence of heresy (special skill) can be pretty good, her base specials aren't amazing and she's pretty good at stacking ruin
And shaped glass and transcendence are just generally good

[lavish jacinth]

is pretty much free

on anyone

actually works really well with her specials since they don't care about attack speed at all, if you're willing to give up her primary and secondary (at least until you can stack attack speed to get back to normal)

[lavish jacinth]

it's not just you, multiplayer increases enemy scaling by 50% per player.
it also gives you around 40-50% more loot, but the increased scaling can make things tougher than you're used to

[little cloak]

That really sucks, I was able to convince 2 friends to try the game and we are having a hard time even making the first loop

There is any mod that balance or changes that?

[lavish jacinth]

it might help to start out on drizzle until you get the hang of things

[lavish jacinth]

I don't know of any off the top of my head, but the game just had an update so mods are broken right now anyway

[little cloak]

Right

Anyways thanks!

[lavish jacinth]

np

and fwiw, the extra loot can sometimes make multiplayer a bit easier if everyone knows what they're doing imo, it just takes practice

[daring cloak]

Afax were you able to test my question about auri and leaving a stage mid tp event yet?

I'd like to put it into bug reports for being a potential oversight if you actually just lose all halcyon seeds that way

And testing it on console would be pretty tedious and rng dependent

[marble osprey]

I'm bored so I'll test it if they haven't yet

[daring cloak]

Ok so basically

[marble osprey]

Yeah I saw your earlier comment

[daring cloak]

Oh perfecf

[marble osprey]

DW lol

[marble osprey]

Ok nope halcyon seed just appears back in my inventory start of next stage

[daring cloak]

Oh wow they thought of that

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I haven't had time to check

[daring cloak]

Pretty cool

[lavish jacinth]

good to know tho

[daring cloak]

It woulda been funny tho if people unintentionally did it in an attempt to unlock fs and just find themself in the alt path without the halcyon seed

[lavish jacinth]

it also would've been incredibly cruel though lol

[daring cloak]

It would make sense logic wise

After all you do just leave while aurelionite isnt attached to you anymore

[marble osprey]

Did a second one to double check with multiple seeds this time and still got them all back 👍

[daring cloak]

But yeah good to know that I wont have to fear auri accidentally getting left behind like a kid in a supermarket

[candid wigeon]

is one stack of focused convergence enough? or is it better to get more?

[daring cloak]

Ehhhh

I wouldnt really recommend convergence for normal runs

Its quite a bit more risk for not much reward

It also doesnt do anything past 3 stacks

[candid wigeon]

hm, what about corpsebloom
isn't it the one that doubles your healing but delays it?

[daring cloak]

Not delay but caps healing rate

[lavish jacinth]

never stack corpsebloom

[daring cloak]

10% max hp per second at max on the first stack

Half of that each additional stack

[candid wigeon]

wait, it halves the healing cap?
so you could get 5% max hp per second?

[lavish jacinth]

it can only store one healthbar worth of hp at a time though, so increasing the heal amount isn't worth cutting the heal rate in half since you'll just fill up the stored health cap faster

[daring cloak]

Yes

[candid wigeon]

that's...horrendous.

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[daring cloak]

Yes

[lavish jacinth]

but a single corpsebloom is pretty good if you don't plan on looping

[daring cloak]

Especially if you also get a rejuv

Rejuv doubles both the first healing intake and also the healing you actually receive with the cap

So one corpsebloom and rejuv is effectively 8x healing at 20% max hp per second

[candid wigeon]

well, I do want to kill mithrix this run
so I could take one corpsebloom for now
what are some good lunar items in general?

[daring cloak]

Lunars are usually very context and survivor dependent

[candid wigeon]

well, I'm using loader
do they synergize with anything?

[lavish jacinth]

are generally solid for most survivors

[lavish jacinth]

Ironically can sometimes be good on her IF you have a lot of backup mags and are good at grappling

the grappling hook is totally unaffected by move speed so stone flux has basically no downside as long as you stay grappled
(that's a pretty niche use case though lol)

[daring cloak]

Stone flux kinda also increases the grapple potential as the movement speed reduction also reduces friction

Though it wouldnt really be noticeable until a couple stacks

[lavish jacinth]

can also be good if you don't mind her gauntlet taking longer to charge

[candid wigeon]

well. if I had SotV, light flux could be pretty good
since I got 3 soldier syringes

[lavish jacinth]

oh, welp

[candid wigeon]

thanks for the help, i'll see if this is the run where I beat mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

oh, might be worthwhile if you aren't using her normal primary much, having a decent ranged option against mithrix can come in handy

[livid wedge]

4x

[daring cloak]

8x

[livid wedge]

1x2x2?

[lavish jacinth]

rejuv doubles it
bloom doubles it again
rejuv doubles it again

[daring cloak]

2x2x2

[livid wedge]

Nevermind then

Ignore me

[daring cloak]

First bloom and rejuv double the broad healing you receive

And then rejuv doubles the actual healing thats applied with the cap

Rejuv basically just doubles the healing thats initially stored and then again when its applied

[livid wedge]

Yeah, I always forget to factor actual healing for that interaction

I forgor

[onyx oxide]

what counts as "landing the killing blow on overloading worm as commander"

[daring cloak]

If the damage that killed the worm came from you or any of your non ally items it counts

You do know what an overloading worm is though right?

[onyx oxide]

hopefully

its a teleporter boss no?

[daring cloak]

Yes but its somewhat unique

Its by far the most expensive boss for the game to use so you will have to be in a run for a while until one shows up

[lavish jacinth]

On monsoon you typically see them starting on stage 8 or 9, lower difficulties will take longer. Sometimes you can also get them earlier by stacking mountain shrines

[daring cloak]

Also I am curious if this bug still exists in 1.3.5
Its as simple as going out of bounds while staying in the egg form

I would test it myself but nintendo was too busy making alarm clocks to verify the update on time

[lavish jacinth]

I'm about to head out but I can try to check tomorrow if nobody else gets to it before me

[daring cloak]

K

[patent drum]

Are they going to be adding achievements for the dlc as a part of the rework?

[daring cloak]

Probably not

Maybe theyll add that after the reworks but likely not during

[sharp hare]

if i have more then 10 lens maker glasses does my crit damage increase since my chance is already 100%

[daring cloak]

No

Nothing really changes once you go over 10

[sharp hare]

ok

[empty idol]

i have not the slightsest clue if this is the right place to ask but does anyone know if they are going to change the melee attack for the false son so it can actually hit the things by the end of the attack?

[daring cloak]

Most likely

[empty idol]

are you replying to me or nah?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[peak jacinth]

bad, transfers give way more damage than attack speed, and just a couple syringes make the transfers next to impossible

I didn’t even know that worked lol, it probably doesn’t hurt but also doesn’t matter much

[sharp hare]

whats the name of that one item that gives you stat buff everytime you exchange an item

[daring cloak]

You mean prayer beads?

[sharp hare]

yeah that ty

[velvet path]

I keep dying on the 8th stage no matter what, what are some things I can do to get past that hurdle

I just get instakilled by a elite enemy

[hoary sedge]

its most likely a mobility issue, main thing that's important for looping is getting used to item macroing with scrappers and printers to consolidate your items into the mobility you need to survive and the damage you need to kill stuff before it kills you

also 1) is it any elite type in specific and 2) do you have seekers? if the answer to both is yes and it's the one that makes the blue bubble (not the one that makes things invisible) then it's not really your fault at all and there's kinda no counterplay

[celest kayak]

does 7 stacks of tranquility give you an extra life?

on the description it says it grants a revive but for me it doesnt

[daring cloak]

No

[celest kayak]

oh. why does it claim to give a revive?

[hoary sedge]

it only revives your allies in multiplayer for now

[daring cloak]

The revive is caused directly by the 7th meditate and doesnt work on yourself yet

[celest kayak]

wait so if someones dead and i hit stack 7, they come back to life?

[daring cloak]

Iirc gearbox mentioned on the roadmap that they intend to make it work on yourself too

[hoary sedge]

yep

[daring cloak]

Not just someone but any amount of players

[celest kayak]

ooh thats awesome

[celest kayak]

all people get revived?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[hoary sedge]

the 7th stack is basically the same as a seed of life active use

[celest kayak]

wow haha thats awesome

[hoary sedge]

plus the golden buff for people who are still alive

[celest kayak]

the golden buff is just a elixr right?

[daring cloak]

Pretty much ye

[hoary sedge]

a weaker elixir yeah

[celest kayak]

fair

[daring cloak]

Its the same numbers no?

[celest kayak]

and are you only allowed 1 gold per stage? i tested to try and get it again. no dice

[daring cloak]

Yes

[celest kayak]

fair! tysm

[daring cloak]

Though

[hoary sedge]

It activates at the same threshold but iirc it only heals you to 75%

[marble osprey]

The golden buff is also the thing that gives you the 7% stat boosts fyi

[celest kayak]

yes, it isnt to full

[celest kayak]

someone said each ability gets an individual, hidden buff?! ill definitely forget about that since the game doesnt tell you about it lol

[daring cloak]

Yes

[hoary sedge]

honestly knowing seekers I wouldn't be surprised if it's supposed to be a full heal but just doesn't scale properly or smth

[celest kayak]

yeah nah i dont mess with stuff im not told lool

[daring cloak]

The primary gets more damage I think
Unseen hand gets increased lifesteal
The balls get to hit more times before disappearing
Forgor what it does with soujourn

[hoary sedge]

sojourn gets increased radius

[celest kayak]

also how do you see these bonus stats? even with lookingglass i see no improvement regarding any stats

[marble osprey]

It's specifically the third hit of the primary, and it gets increased just enough to proc bands

[safe ice]

the wiki because every game needs to have obscure information like that

[marble osprey]

You should see a 7% improvement when you get the golden buff, rather than a 1% improvement on each stack

[celest kayak]

WAIT NEVERMIND. yeah the 7th is the one that gives the bonus

thanks. i guess i was confused because the whites do…… nothing then?

[safe ice]

it doesnt yes

[daring cloak]

People use debugtoolkit to figure this stuff out

[hoary sedge]

the white ones are the ability buffs

[daring cloak]

For example usually they give themselves 100 leeching seed to check the proc coefficients

[celest kayak]

they could word it better lol. by “1% per stack” i assumed each stack gave 1% lol. not the golden flower gives 7%

[marble osprey]

Yeah the description is very bad on that one

[celest kayak]

confusing thanks guys

[rose plover]

Sup, im quite new to the game can someone tell me what are the Seeker's core items?

[analog brook]

Any damage negation will make you be able to stay in sojourn longer and therefor increase its explosion damage

[candid wigeon]

uh, what's this?

it looks like there's something behind it, but I can't find any activations for it

[left trellis]

some versions of the stage have that door open, and you can access the back caves. there's no way to open it yourself, it's just determined when the stage begins

if the door is closed then nothing should be spawned back there

[candid wigeon]

i see.
neat.

[livid wedge]

Except the newt altar sometimes

[naive silo]

Is the Void Family event supposed to be able to happen on Commencement on the first loop? The official wiki says both after 5 stages, but also only after looping

[livid wedge]

I didn't know a family event could happen on the moon period

[naive silo]

i didn't either. I've probably had like 300 hours since SOTV, and I've never encountered one lol

[pine inlet]

I dont know if a family event can happend on the moon lol

check the wiki.gg

[glacial knoll]

it can't happen on commencement that's a mod

[naive silo]

Okay, thank you.

[vivid phoenix]

I made it to stage six, but I'm totally lost, been lost for like 20 minutes. What's my goal?

[pine inlet]

hello sheldon, do you see the objective on the top right?

it should say something

[mighty fiber]

Why can't we downpatch officially-

That's my game question.

[distant parrot]

Because almost no major release outside of minecraft has official downpatching

[steady stone]

Since you own a license to ror2 and not the entire game too, you get the latest release

They don't support the old versions, like for multiplayer, iirc

Since they use steam servers

(peer to peer)

[livid wedge]

Pear to pear

[vivid phoenix]

Hello, find the way to the rescue ship, but I think I've been all over the map? I've just been activating some pillars.

[pine inlet]

yeah it should say something out of 4

activating and charging 4 of them unlocks something in the map

[steady stone]

||pillars|| ||jump pad|| ||Mithrix|| ||escape sequence||

There's beams of light that show where to go for the first 2

[vivid phoenix]

Ah, just found it

There's a dude up here almost killing me in one hit.

[livid wedge]

That's what he do

[pine inlet]

mitchel my man

[livid wedge]

Big man with the hammer

[livid wedge]

Dammit, beat me to it

I was still on chat cooldown

[steady stone]

Bro has the anvil head

[full apex]

I always forget this exists

[steady stone]

Anyways that's one of 3 or 4 or 7 final bosses depending on how you see it

[vivid phoenix]

He totally kicked my butt. That's the furthest I ever got.

[steady stone]

You got him, gotta get used to the patterns

Eventually he becomes the easiest fight once you have knowledge

[vivid phoenix]

I got him down to half, but he almost kills me in one hit, I learned a lot from getting that far. I think I spent too much time lost?

[steady stone]

Just try to get more items than minutes spent for a "good" run

Although the build itself matters, like what items are good

[pine inlet]

not really, I can assume you said you died as soon as he killed you

and that aint much time since when you found the launch pads

so you had good damage, just didn't know the fight

[steady stone]

4 minutes yeah, but that might be a long fight

Don't read this Sheldon but omega ||he doesn't know about the other phases, he's not really half||

It would be a decently long fight

[vivid phoenix]

I was lost for 20+ minutes before finding the pad. I have an artifact of command(I found it on accient). I'm playing Artificer I got a bunch of missles and teddy bears. Not sure if that's a good build.

[pine inlet]

eh

[steady stone]

It's alright, yeah

Missiles are better on proc characters

[vivid phoenix]

What're some good items for her?

[pine inlet]

atgs do work but without the other damage multipliers they won't carry you

[vivid phoenix]

I had glasses and the guitar thing.

[pine inlet]

even if choosing items is fun, I don't recommend it until you know more about the other stuff

[pine inlet]

it will substantially decrease overall game knowledge if you just rely on only stuff you know

also you are really not looting enough lol

[vivid phoenix]

I see, I don't know anything just pausing and looking at the wiki, no clue what to pick.

[distant parrot]

I would definitely play without AoC until you've unlocked all the items

[pine inlet]

no need

you can check the logbook ingame

[quasi crystal]

what items should i get on mercenary?

[pine inlet]

you can also click on your inventory when pressing tab to check what an item does

[vivid phoenix]

Does it interfear with unlocking?

[distant parrot]

It doesn't but you'll get a better understanding of the items and their synergies playing normally

[full apex]

A lot of items amplify each other, so getting a diverse set it good, and having wide synergies gives you more options which can be helpful when you haven't yet learned which synergies are best when and on which chars and stuff

[hoary sedge]

outside of the usual suspects (mobility, procs, bands, a little defense) focus crystal is quite nice, crit and bleed builds work well, and both specials are VERY good candidates for lysate cell

[waxen mauve]

Hey I haven’t played in a long while have they added cross-play between pc and PlayStation yet? Or talked about it at all?

[daring cloak]

No

[waxen mauve]

;-;

[void lynx]

Hey im new to the game, how come there arent any multiplayer lobbies available?

[pine inlet]

hi new to the game, I'm omega

[void lynx]

😭

[pine inlet]

check if you have epic games crossplay checked, that freaks stuff up

otherwise, it's a chewsday

[void lynx]

Theres only 2 servers, im sorry I just thought more people would be on😭

[pine inlet]

yeah, more people tend to log in by their respective night time timezones

you can check on steamdb when is the peak player count based on your region

[void lynx]

Alright

[vivid phoenix]

How does the one shot protection work?

I think this thing whatever it is killed me in one hit? Or maybe it was a burst?

[wide parrot]

if you have 90% hp or more, you cannot die in one hit

[daring cloak]

Basically you cant take more than 90% of your max health in one hit

[steady stone]

You can, however, be hit multiple times really quickly. The lunar chimera is a minigun enemy, and probably just hit you a lot in a small time frame

[olive aspen]

what are the best red items for huntress

[full apex]

just the normally good stuff, she doesnt really have any particular special synergies

are standouts

can be pretty good

icbm especially if youve got good missile stuff going already

is basically always really strong and you dont need to do anything special to get its power

also can be a ton of damage as long as you have a way to get height, but you may or may not with huntress

when there are lots of elites can be pretty solid since overloading and blazing are free damage ups and gilded can be a lot of defense

[steady stone]

(sending this here to link for education purposes because it doesn't embed in discussion)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J20zM2enLg4

also does still work for pillar skip with a little bit of movespeed? someone said it was worse nowadays

[olive aspen]

what's the best green item to stack for damage?

or items

[steady stone]

for proc for burst

like on commando i'd take atg, loader kjaros

but ATG is mostly because the damage is good, and it scales well with

10% chance to fire a missile that deals 300% (+300% per stack) TOTAL damage.

[marble osprey]

Generally better to diversify items rather than stacking one though

[steady stone]

true, unless like command and you can have speed and survivability with grey items

that and loader can win with a band printer since built in armor, shield, and speed

[lavish jacinth]

Shuriken also stacks really well on survivors that work well with it

But yeah, it's almost always better to have a mix of different damage items so that they build off of eachother

[steady stone]

#ror2-discussion message

funny enough the hardest thing about a proc chain is having the target live long enough for it to keep going

easily the strongest thing in the game, but luck dependent

[lavish jacinth]

That's where on-kills come in, willo and ceredag can make proc chains last way longer

[steady stone]

and even the on kills benefit from diversity

[lavish jacinth]

Basically:
Good at starting proc chains:
Good at adding damage to proc chains: + any other damage multipliers
Good at making chains last longer:

[daring cloak]

The will smith in the willowisp emote will never not be amusing to me

[lavish jacinth]

Not including sots items because they're likely to change, but runic lens is probably a starter and boomerang kinda does a bit of everything

[daring cloak]

Ehhh runic is also pretty uhhh damn op at making chains longer

As things procced from it can reproc it

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, they're both in a weird spot

Wait, does lens not get proc masked?

[daring cloak]

Nop

[lavish jacinth]

Well then

[daring cloak]

Well at least it used to not

Maybe gearbox snuck a fix for that into 1.3.5 without putting it in the patch notes

Or maybe they just didnt care enough to do it when theyre gonna rework it soon anyways

The bug fixing priorities of gearbox are an enigma to me

Like they fixed this tiny ass texture bug for switch that nobody noticed but didnt do anything to the music cutting out all the time

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah the fixes were very random lol

[steady stone]

one is probably easier to fit in last minute than the other

if they fluff up the list it makes the players happier than if there was less done

[daring cloak]

I asked in console discussion who else noticed that

Literally not one switch player did

It still like fits in somewhat decently

[steady stone]

the music floor does not really fit in unless that's the tunnel

[daring cloak]

Compared to for example that one patch of grass on sirens call thats been floating in the air ever since console sotv

Which I think ive even seen be like that on pc now too

[steady stone]

there's one on verdant i know about

during the spiral vine climb there's some floating grass

but i've never heard of siren's call grass

[daring cloak]

I dont think I ever bothered taking a picture of it

Because its just... that unmissable

[lavish jacinth]

You underestimate my ability to completely ignore small details in the environment

I don't think I've ever noticed any floating grass or other weirdness lol

Anyway my optimistic explanation for this patch is that they've mostly been working on the item changes, and this patch is just whatever random fixes they had ready so that they would at least have something to give us

[earnest gull]

@visual grotto

[stuck wyvern]

how do you get pots up slopes as railgunner? the utility skill no longer works

[daring cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[stuck wyvern]

yeah thought so. railgunner hitbox is too small, or a triangle, feels like

[lavish jacinth]

It's more thst the pot hitbox is weird, it's a cylinder iirc

I'm pretty sure all the human survivors have the same-sized collision box except maybe loader

[lofty sedge]

anyone know where i can find some sort of guide for finding the artefact codes? I don't just want to look up the solutions, i was really hopping to get screen shots of all of them but I can't for the life of me find them on certain maps? do they not always spawn in? or am i just really dumb :(

[wide parrot]

They should always be there, but they aren’t on every map, especially if you have any DLCs enabled

Also there are 2 that you can’t find in game

[lofty sedge]

is it possible that the locations changed? I'm currently in the Titanic Plains, and i have the locations pulled up and i can't find where this is??

(source: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2043078885)

There are three giant pillar things on the main map, none have it, and the ones off the map are way too far to see as i just get teleported back inbounds?

[wide parrot]

Nope

[lavish jacinth]

remember that there are 2 variants for titanic plains and distant roost

if you can't find it, it's probably on the other variant

[lofty sedge]

oml, tysm. i've looked on each of those for an hour each xP

how do i get the other variant to spawn? is it just a random thing? or do i have to loop or something?

[lavish jacinth]

it's just random, reset until you get it

[lofty sedge]

alrighty, thanks!

[lavish jacinth]

np

[spring elm]

Does cautious slug decrease void fiend’s corruption?

[lavish jacinth]

no

[marble osprey]

No, healing and regen are separate and only healing counts

Slug is regen so it's fine

[lavish jacinth]

"healing" means you see green numbers over your head

[spring elm]

Much appreciated, thank you guys.

[marble osprey]

Np

[sinful fractal]

can halycon shrines spawn every stage?

[quasi crystal]

There's a list in wiki

• every stage 1

[daring cloak]

It should be able to spawn on any stage from what it seems..... buuuuuuuuut gearbox simply didnt put the shrine in for existing stages past stage 2

Same with all other sots interactables

[quasi crystal]

Do you mean "it should be" as an opinion or are you saying they're supposed to be

[daring cloak]

Supposed to

[quasi crystal]

Ah fair

[daring cloak]

Unless the sots interactables really just arent meant to spawn on any stage 3 4 and 5 except for the sots stages which would be... an odd decision

[quasi crystal]

Certainly, and this dlc is a stranger to odd decisions

[celest kayak]

what does a yellow hp bar mean for enemies?

[tender temple]

that they are regular enemies

red is for bosses

as in teleporter/final/special bosses in particular

purple is void, doesnt mean anything its just cosmetic

blue is shield

[lavish jacinth]

red can also mean they have

[tender temple]

i was about to say that

but its just so uncommon that it doesnt matter

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you'll only really see that in void fields or on scavengers

[tender temple]

or evolution

[daring cloak]

Not quite true

Afaik all and exclusively enemies of the void team have a purple bar

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it IS just cosmetic, it doesn't change anything about how their health works

it just tells you that they're on void team

[daring cloak]

I mean yeah technically its just cosmetic but knowing which team an enemy is on can be pretty useful info

[tender temple]

void team =/= infestor team

they both get a purple hp bar but they are enemies

[daring cloak]

Whar

[tender temple]

void enemies and voidtouched enemies fight each other

even if its a voidtouched void enemy

[daring cloak]

Not really

[tender temple]

so a void reaver would attack a voidtouched void reaver

yes that quite literally happens ingame

[daring cloak]

Nat spawning void enemies are part of the enemy team but void enemies spawned through a void seed are on the void team

And iirc the void enemies on the enemy team also lack the purple hp bar

[tender temple]

fucked up

i blame john hopoo

the game is literally unplayable and no one CARES!

[daring cloak]

Void enemies on the enemy team are actually my main reason of finding the purple hp bar important

Knowing when a void enemy can be infested and when not can save you from getting confused by an infestor suddenly just corrupting another void enemy

[arctic wraith]

Hello, i am quite new to RoR2 and i love it!
Most of the time i manage to get to Stage 5 already - however, most of the time in the hidden realm "Bazar of Time" i loose myself the game. Either i buy one of the blue items that have huge drawbacks that don't fit into my current build or i pick one of the two items that also recycles some of my items that seem to make my build work.
Should i just skip the bazar until i know what i am doing? How can i make more use of the bazaar?

[daring cloak]

Youre not doing much wrong actually in terms of learning the game

Most lunar items are pretty situational or change how you play through the rest of the run by a good bit so it takes knowledge and/or the proper skill to utilise them effectively

As for the cauldrons

Try to get a feel for when its worth to lose some of your items in favour of a singular stronger item

Scrapping items you dont need or cant make use of will also mitigate the randomness factor as cauldrons also prioritise scrap over other items

[arctic wraith]

Thanks! Didn't know the scarps are also used outside of 3D printers. So i should already have scraps when entering the bazar i guess

Also, is the huge spike in difficulty between stage 3 and 4 normal or just my "build" (picking all i can get) lacking

[frank sluice]

Because of that, a common strat that people usually use on long runs is Bazaar with 5 👀

Lunar items are also very much a big big commitment

the way I learn them is just to sacrifice a run to them, lol

picking the lunar up and trying to work with it is always the best way to learn it

[daring cloak]

Full looting is widely considered the optimal way to progress through stages

[frank sluice]

however, I strongly recommend knowing all other items before learning lunars

[arctic wraith]

Thanks. In my last runs i just picked up all of them because i thought those are unique and/or active items. That was ... an experience

[frank sluice]

simply because lunars usually shine the most through their interactions with other stuff
knowing what other stuff there are makes you understand lunars way better

[daring cloak]

Also recently there was a bug that made elite enemies spawn twice as frequently from stage 3 and onward which inflated the difficulty scaling
That bug has been fixed by version 1.3.5 which released a few days ago so you will likely find stage 4 to be less brutal from now on

[arctic wraith]

It definately was easier on my try yesterday

But i cant judge whether that was from my build or my gained experience

but know i know why probably^^

[frank sluice]

Two ways you can try to optimize your itemization

• Learn what items are bad, scrap them, and find good printers/Bazaar cauldrons! Items that are bad/don't work with the way you play, early game likely wouldn't really save you anyway.
• Optimize your pathing throughout the map. Have a route to check all corners of the map quickly. You should full loot, but a more general tip that people around here like to give is getting to 1 item/min or above

[glacial knoll]

Void HP bar isn't Void Team it's just if the body is tagged as Void that's why Void fiend has it

The tag does nothing other than this i'm pretty sure

Getting the Void elite buff is also meant to add this tag that's why Wake of Vultures can make your hp bar purple. But it's not done in "recalculating stats" it's done in "inventory change" and adding a buff doesn't change your inventory so you'd need to pick up an item while the buff is there

[celest kayak]

all my enemies have red health

they occasionally swap to a yellow bar for reasons i dont quite know. i notice it after a child teleports so maybe its immortality?

[slim spoke]

afaik unkillable status doesnt have any visual effect

[sacred ingot]

hey i know this was discussed here a while ago but does every base map in the original game has a hidden artifact code? even considering variations?

also, are there any new ones that also have codes?

[opal crown]

hm is losing 5 bands worth it for sonorous whispers

I feel like its a trap

[glacial knoll]

well it stacks pretty poorly so like no?

[glacial knoll]

moon and grove do not have one, unsure about the plains and roost variants

verdant has one

[glacial knoll]

ah it's white scrap nvm yeah probably not actually worth 5 bands

[opal crown]

yep punished for greed

[serene vector]

only sonorous when ur looping

u can cheese by getting sonorous, going gilded portal
dont spawn the boss, afk ontop till director credits max out to spawn bosses for sonorous to proc

rinse and repeat HAHAHAH

[glacial knoll]

if you got an hour to spare you could just wait the timer out to keep getting bosses I guess??

losing sale star in the trade was like minus another 3 or 4 items

[opal crown]

Yeah especially losing the second guaranteed red with sale star for stage 4.

Definitely wasn't the right choice.

[serene vector]

u win some u lose some its all good
gl on the eclipse grind

just finished mine not long ago

[celest kayak]

ahhhhhh wave 5 spawns enemies with red health because theyre bosses… i see. i was confused my bad

[tender temple]

should have said it was simulacrum

every 5th wave in simulacrum is a boss wave

[blazing garnet]

Speaking of health bars, do the colours of health bars mean anything? Like I see enemies with orange health, red health, and purple health but I'm not sure if it means anything or if it's just because they're a certain type of enemy

[steady stone]

Different health can mean a few things

Like void enemies are actually on different teams and fight other normal enemies

In general orange health means there's overhealth , blue is shield

Clear is "curse' where it's missing permanent health, like glass or eclipse

[daring cloak]

Yes but its different for every survivor

And realistically you never reach that point in a run

Attack speed for most attacks is pretty much just sped up animation

And at some point it cant be sped up anymore leading to the varying caps

[glacial knoll]

Pretty sure Barrier on enemy hp bars is white, not like you'd see it ever

[steady stone]

Maybe, but in general it'll be orange

And I'm assuming orange health is like the sots team?

Red normal, purple void team, orange sots?

[glacial knoll]

there is no sots team and purple isn't void team it's just void character

I assume they just mean yellow instead of orange

[daring cloak]

I think they just mean normal with orange

[steady stone]

I was just going off of what he said

I knew about normal health and void enemies health

[glacial knoll]

Very rare to find a void team normal enemy but they happen

like the game forgets to give them the void elite aspect but they spawned in the void seed anyways

[daring cloak]

Its so confusing when that happens lmao

[quasi crystal]

Wait this can actually happen? Lol that'd explain why I once saw a solus control unit attacking stuff

[daring cloak]

It used to be fairly common in console sotv

[steady stone]

If it was a little probe, that could just be from a void normal

Like ghost beetle queens summon normal BGs on your team

[terse siren]

He spitting though

[steady stone]

responding to the 3+ year old message is crazy

[terse siren]

I didn't ping him

[terse siren]

So is linking one 😞

[steady stone]

i merely showed him the easiest way to remove OSP

[terse siren]

Fair enough

So does shields actually not impact osp?

The woolie brainrot is insane

[steady stone]

iirc shields still count as max health but glass does not

[terse siren]

I didn't realize he had no idea what he was talking about slurs and shit advice aside I thought he was somewhat knowledgeable about the game

[steady stone]

same with eclipse curse

[terse siren]

Yeah glass makes sense

[steady stone]

although i might be wrong about shield? let me check

i know at least 2+ years ago it removed OSP

[daring cloak]

Shield doesnt remove osp 😭

[glacial knoll]

of course shields don't literally remove osp it just makes it harder to regain 90% max health

[terse siren]

Well ghor said it doesn't

[glacial knoll]

Glass removes OSP ever since like, real early on

[terse siren]

And it ain't even that hard

[steady stone]

yeah i havent heard someone actually argue it in years, so i was like 95% sure

[terse siren]

So Transcendence has literally no downside whatsoever

[steady stone]

no healing items

[terse siren]

Aside from healing items being pointless

[glacial knoll]

the downside is the upside

[steady stone]

but yeah now you can print all of your healing into more useful items

[glacial knoll]

if you hate shields in general or on that run then you just hate shields yknow

[terse siren]

I love Transcendence even if it did remove osp I wouldn't care having that extra hp and being able to quickly recover for just not taking damage for 7 seconds is nice

[glacial knoll]

If you have Overwhelming healing scrapping shield gens can save your life, it's rare and shield can also save your life but yknow

[terse siren]

I love scrap food especially if I find gasoline and will o wisps printers 💀

[steady stone]

honestly it "messing up osp" was just part of the same "5 minutes or bust" thing where it's just a skill issue

[terse siren]

But yeah that's insane how woolie is objectively wrong about shields

[steady stone]

they couldn't not get hit for 5 seconds back then

[terse siren]

I used to have the OSP brainrot

[daring cloak]

Osp is not real

Except for diablo launching

[glacial knoll]

It's not something that should be taught so willy nilly

[terse siren]

True

[glacial knoll]

but you can objectively lose a run because of shield gens

not worth thinking about unless it's like a deep loop you really wanna keep alive

but then there's also plasma shrimp you'd really want a lot of shield gens for

if you got shield and opal and warped echo rn I guess that's like a stupid op synergy as well

[steady stone]

would warped be bad with then?

used to be the combo back in the day

[glacial knoll]

Like the echoed damage could take a safer charge but like very minor anti snyergy

While tougher times has a actual synergy with Warped

[steady stone]

ah, wasn't sure if it would like take both items on one hit or something

[glacial knoll]

If you block the damage you block the damage no warped echo

Just like if echo activates, in the 3s you gain safer spaces again yknow maybe a bit of a waste

Good to have another reason to use Tougher Times over safer spaces

[analog brook]

Did this ever get reported? Not pinging bc you're on do not disturb just hoping you see this

[full apex]

Yes, also feel free to ping im on DnD to not get notifs LOL

I check my pings and stuff when im available. Maybe i should note that on my profile or something

I dont mind pings or mentions since they give me a backlog and i can get to them whenever im available

But yea the laser is great. If you spam it off CD its not too tough to max the tickrate in one run by the time you hit moon or smth, and starting a new run with max tickrate laser is extremely silly

[wide parrot]

my brain is so rotted I read DnD and Dungeons and Dragons, not Do Not Disturb

[full apex]

I use the acronym for funny ambiguity

[faint trench]

does happiest mask work on mithrix/voidling?

[steady stone]

i know it does on voidling, but idk about mithrix

since each voidling is a different enemy you corrupt him and then go to the next area to fight the "next" voidling

i believe it can make a ghost of mithrix, but idk about every phase

it can on the last one at least

[glacial knoll]

Mithrix doesn't die so no, Hurt-Mithrix (phase 4) does die and it works on him

[steady stone]

he can also drop lunar coins and such

[glacial knoll]

Dunno why False son and Voidling don't also have a "fake death" like Mithrix but yeah those work

for the better tho Mithrix in the log says you killed him 0 times

[little kite]

for eclipse runs do i only need to get e8 with the og survivors to get the gold markings? or does dlc+modded count to?

[delicate hatch]

So I can’t seem to get an answer to this. Can Xbox players play with steam players?

[glacial knoll]

Game doesn't know if a character is modded, yeah you'd need all of them

[dusky raven]

I believe not

[glacial knoll]

Not entirely sure how dlcs are handled tho

[wide parrot]

Nope

[delicate hatch]

Dang

[wide parrot]

Crossplay between platforms does not exist

[little kite]

well damn. guess i mmight just mod in the gold badge at e8 whenever i get all real characters done ig

[delicate hatch]

Welp thanks for the clarification

[peak jacinth]

There’s a mod called EclipseArtifacts which lets you play with all the eclipse modifiers

[daring cloak]

@full apex so ALL the fog in the voidling fight and parkour is just... gone for switch and it'd interest me if this bug is present on all versions

Its still in simu and probably also vields though

Unless its multiplayer related which I doubt

[arctic wraith]

How can i NOT loop? I just had the run of my life and somehow i didn't get to mithrix.. am i not allowed to go to the lunar store?

[daring cloak]

Yes

You have to use the teleporter itself to go to the moon

[arctic wraith]

Also, whats wrong with the overloading mana worms? 😦

[daring cloak]

Actually its just overloading worms

Theyre a different creature than magma worms although they are very similar

[arctic wraith]

they ended my op run fast

[daring cloak]

Theyre a very high cost enemy to spawn so you only see them late into a run

[arctic wraith]

jeah, on the last level of the second loop or so

[earnest vector]

is there a a way to make items not appear on my character

[wide parrot]

Not without mods

[earnest vector]

do you know which mod

[wide parrot]

no, switch player

[full apex]

presumably one of these would be worth checking out

i havent used them but they popped up at the top with lotta DLs and its a simple concept so i assume they may do what you want

[fading star]

Im having trouble getting my friends to join the lobby after we all get together in the main menu. Any suggestions?
we all have no mods on, verified our game files, and restarted our games.

[lavish jacinth]

multiplayer has just been very glitchy lately, there may not be a fix besides waiting for a patch.

Normally the first thing I'd suggest would be to make sure everyone has crossplay turned off since it causes issues, but I've heard that may not work anymore.

If it's off then you can try turning it back on, some people have been saying it works for them (although you still have to deal with the usual crossplay bugs)

[fading star]

that worked thanks

[trail schooner]

New to the game, anywhere i could find some good colorbind settings/mods? Would love to customize the color of the item rarities. Kinda crazy a game like this has seemigly zero built in colorblind settings

[dawn meadow]

If you're on PC, I found these 2 mods. But I have not tried them myself.
https://thunderstore.io/package/TheBobers/ColorblindRarities/
https://thunderstore.io/package/nekoli/nekoli_Colorblind_Mod/

[trail schooner]

Yeah i saw those but they seem to be the only ones