ror2-game-questions

[lavish jacinth]

it's slightly to the right, except on this one weird frame

[slim spoke]

thats big
thats quite big

[full apex]

but yea FS anims feel really bad imo... feels modded.

i wondered if they were designing him last because as FS is the new boss, he should be a centerpoint of the new chars. so if they got rushed near the end i could see them prioritizing his kit function over the anims.

[slim spoke]

fs really looks like a exoskeleton more than loader

[full apex]

i suspect theyll touch him up

im really really curious what they are cooking rn

i know theres a LOT to fix but it has been quite a while, so i have high hopes for the patch

ive been dissecting the code and bugs a lot lately and somewhat recently submitted the doc detailing the issues and a bunch of potential fixes so hopefully that helps.

[slim spoke]

send it to them in case they dont know

[full apex]

i did yea

[slim spoke]

niceee

also you should check audit logs for recently deleted messages

[quasi crystal]

Glaze or yes chef on chef?

[full apex]

i prefer yes chef

i suspect its better but havent tested the difference much

yes chef is more like his traditional style and the buffed skills are funny, plus it resets all the CDs so thats pretty good

[daring cloak]

Eh the best option is
Best paired with , and

[slim spoke]

truly peak

[full apex]

huntress treatment...

[lavish jacinth]

chef buff plz 🙏

[quasi crystal]

Did you investigate treeborn colony's fruit having a placeholder name when you ping them

[quasi crystal]

Nice

[full apex]

the meridian trigger ping too

those were good simple catches

[daring cloak]

Nah their canon name is def BIGFRUIT_NAME

[full apex]

[quasi crystal]

Grovetenders are gardeners not botanists

[twilit nest]

Do i need the dlc's to unlock artifacts of delusion and devotion?

[lavish jacinth]

no, they're basegame content

[twilit nest]

Neat, thanks

I ask since they were released the same update as the dlc's afaik

[quasi crystal]

Delusion and devotion were released long before the dlc

[twilit nest]

Were they? Wikis lying to me damn

[lavish jacinth]

what does the wiki say? They were both part of the devotion update at the start of the year

the only artifact added in the dlc was rebirth

[twilit nest]

Shows the little seekers of the storm dlc symbol next to them

[lavish jacinth]

hang on, are you using wiki.gg or fandom?

[twilit nest]

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Artifacts

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, that would explain it. We don't use the fandom wiki anymore

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifacts

[twilit nest]

I see, thank you!
Im guessing due to the various bullshittery fandom likes to pull lmao

[lavish jacinth]

wiki.gg is basically identical, but it's actually up to date (and it doesn't bombard you with ads)

[twilit nest]

Didnt know this existed

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, a lot of people don't. I think the fandom wiki is still the first result when you look for the ror2 wiki unfortunately

but we switched about a year ago now

[twilit nest]

A strange third wiki appears sometimes, its on fandom as well but like every article is a stub

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, idek what's up with that one.

[twilit nest]

Like, i was looking up brilliant behemoth earlier and it sent me there. Entire page was like a photo and two sentences

[twilit nest]

Youve seen it?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I think it might be the old ror1 wiki, so it's even more out of date

[twilit nest]

Did they try to branch into ror2 content before shutting down?

[lavish jacinth]

I think so, yeah. Back before ror2 got its own dedicated wiki

[twilit nest]

Oh shit bulwark ambry glowup

[full apex]

from my experience the fandom is significantly more up to date... its the wiki ive been maintaining as well

like this

the fin page is super unfinished

the fandom page has a lot more info

for most older content i think gg was ported from fandom so the info should be the same.

idk who maintains the gg tho

[lavish jacinth]

really? I'd completely stopped using fandom, I got the impression that pretty much everyone else did too

[full apex]

i think a lot of people wanted to swap over

there were a lot of people who asked about it in the wiki server

but like after the DLC it seemed like it wasnt being updated very quickly or with a lot of info beyond the basics so idk

i dont really keep a close eye on it like i do the fandom though

[twilit nest]

Either way, the artifacts shouldnt be listed as being dlc content

Im not sure how to update it though

[full apex]

ill share it in the wiki server

i think the main wiki admin updated that from being a template at some point but was possibly mistaken

[quasi crystal]

is there a guaranteed cleansing pool on any stage?

[full apex]

nop

[lavish jacinth]

aphelian sanctuary has a high chance of spawning one but they're never guaranteed

[full apex]

yea

[rancid jewel]

can rex's tangling growth catch mithrix?

[lavish jacinth]

yes

[rancid jewel]

oh, that wouldve been useful if i hadnt launched myself into a elder lemurians attack, but thanks ill remember that

[ornate gust]

Or if its a lunar boss event and the item that drops are lunar items

Same with it being a void event then the item that drops are void items

[quasi crystal]

Oh also you probably already noted it (been a couple weeks since I checked) but chef not being a robot in code

[full apex]

i forgot about that one

lol

[sturdy ether]

Anyone got any tips for dodging P3 Mithrix in E8? I can dodge pizza fine but if I get swiped/hit by the adds and need to heal up when I run away from Mithrix he'll dash up behind me at lightspeed and cave my head in 90% of the time.

[full apex]

abusing the ramps can be helpful

[sturdy ether]

Good point, I used them for engi turrets and just kinda forgot they existed after that

[pulsar nova]

what character?

[sturdy ether]

Commando atm, I've noticed if I dash away from him he'll just follow me and cave my head in so is there another direction that's better?

[pulsar nova]

generally, dashing perpendicular to his degree of motion is ideal

as charlie said, use the ramps. don't ever be on even ground with mithrix.

also, ads should hopefully not get in your way too much. if they become too overwhelming, move to the other side of the arena

[sturdy ether]

Awesome, cheers. Trying to get better at the Mithrix fight, made it to E8 mostly just by getting lucky runs where I just pump out so much damage he's not an issue

[pulsar nova]

the eclipse grind is tough and soul sucking dude. good luck.

keep at it and you'll get it down in (hopefully) no time

[sturdy ether]

Commando has probably been the hardest one for me so far, absolutely breezed through Engi/Captain

Still gotta do rex though which apparently is pretty hard

[pulsar nova]

well that's great cuz commando is the hardest one

well, rex is pretty bad but imo not as bad as mando

[lavish jacinth]

something you should know about e4+ mithrix in particular is that the extra move speed tends to make him overshoot his dashes, depending on the situation it can actually be better to dodge towards him so he winds up behind you and misses the swing

[sturdy ether]

Sweet, I'll give that a try. I try to stay in the air as much as I can too, I've noticed he can't really do much if you just stay above him

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's also a good strat. Most tricks for Mithrix boil down to abusing his dumb AI and him being limited to melee, lol

my favorite thing is an equipment drone with primordial cube, it'll bully him the entire fight and make it ten times easier

[median fable]

Do I really have to do the trial hitless for ethereal

[lavish jacinth]

not strictly hitless, taking damage to barrier won't fail the challenge so topaz brooch can be helpful

and hits blocked by iframes or tougher times won't count ofc. but yeah, for the most part you just have to not get hit

Cabbages' guides in #prismatic-trials might be helpful, they should be pinned

sometimes it's better to just wait for a better seed though. Command helps a lot, and anything with glass is almost always doable

[median fable]

He dose it with such ease

[lavish jacinth]

he's also been doing it several times a week for years

but seeing the strats he uses can still help, even if you can't match the movement

you will probably have to git gud at least a little bit though, unless you're willing to wait for a seed with kin and only beetles or something

[median fable]

That will take me months😭

[lavish jacinth]

nah, it's not that bad

like I said, if you want you can just wait for a glass seed, it makes it pretty easy

you'll have enough damage to kill anything easily, and you barely have any health anyway so the hitless part doesn't really matter

[pulsar nova]

though that would probably take longer than just practicing 😅

[lavish jacinth]

dunno, they're not THAT rare

[pulsar nova]

but you can practice up to an ethereal level in a week easily

[lavish jacinth]

either way works

just depends on how much they're willing to wait vs. how much they're willing to practice

[median ingot]

i have steam version of ror2 and my friends have it on gamepass pc are they crossplay

[lavish jacinth]

gamepass is technically the xbox version, isn't it?

[median ingot]

even on pc?

[lavish jacinth]

I guess? I have no idea how gamepass works honestly

it's probably not compatible with the steam version though

[median ingot]

same 💀

[lavish jacinth]

there's crossplay between steam and EGS (barely) but that's it

[median ingot]

whats egs

[lavish jacinth]

Epic Games Store

[median ingot]

ohh

[lavish jacinth]

so it's still the PC version either way, just on different servers. afaik gamepass doesn't work though.
I didn't even know it was possible to play it on PC via gamepass, honestly

wouldn't hurt to try joining each other using lobby codes though, assuming that's an option for them

[median fable]

That what's gonna take forever having to wait for a trial when it takes 3 days to reset for a chance for me to get kin and have a chance of it being beetles and also a chance of the next area being beetles or something easy, that will take forever

I love mercenary but I I don't think I'm gonna be good enough to get that move😭

[lavish jacinth]

that's why practicing is also an option

[median fable]

It's just the wisp man

I hate those so much

[lavish jacinth]

and it's not like the seed needs to be perfect, just give each one a shot and see how it goes. some are gonna be easier than others even without glass/command/kin

[median fable]

It's the only thing that makes it bad

I'll try but I think it mite just be impossible for me unless I spend hours on this game or get lucky

[lavish jacinth]

you can always jump over their shots, that works pretty well. and it's not like merc has any shortage of movement options

your dash can kill groups of them pretty consistently, or your special. And both give you iframes

[marble osprey]

Bonus fun fact: if the second stage is sky meadow, you don't actually have to beat the stage, you can just go to the artifact portal and leave
You can also go to the newt and see if it offers sky meadow to help make that more common

Might make it a bit easier

[quasi crystal]

That's
Hilarious

[sly shell]

is it better to go slow or go fast?

like loot everything or just speed run

[steady stone]

going fast means the enemies scale less but so do you

the 5 minute rule isnt really a thing

if you have more items than minutes elapsed you're doing good

and certain items it's definitely alright to spend extra time for

like spending 5 more minutes on aquaducts as loader for the bands

generally if you spend 5-10 minutes fine tuning your build, (if it was for a good reason) it will make you powerful enough to handle the extra scaling

[lavish jacinth]

rushing is never a good idea, items are how you get stronger

a good rule of thumb is to get everything on a stage and leave with more items than minutes

[lavish jacinth]

and yeah, it can also be worth it to spend some extra time messing with printers and scrappers and the like, the important thing is that you're not wasting time without getting anything done

basically you want efficiency, not just speed

[steady stone]

spending 15 minutes doing skyrim mountain climbing to newt

[quasi crystal]

Even as a new player I realized 5 minutes a stage will make you have no items while still getting out scaled in the same stage I would if I full looted

[lavish jacinth]

it's also needlessly biased against less mobile characters

Loader can run laps around a stage in 5 minutes, her only bottlneck is gold

meanwhile Engie or Captain are gonna struggle to get around a stage in 5 minutes and still get enough loot, at least early on

there's also the fact that enemy gold drops scale in real time while chest prices only update at the start of the stage, so by rushing you just make farming even slower because the chest prices keep catching up

[quasi crystal]

Even pre sots I've been on stage 4 with 1 move speed item as captain

With no egg wings or vase

[lavish jacinth]

yep

sots having almost no speed items certainly didn't help

[shell reef]

Do you need movement speed for a run?

[dense lynx]

hello, im new to the game. im wondering if there is much of a point to get the seekers dlc at all? or should i just stick with the main game and the void dlc?

[sturdy ether]

Definitely helps a lot. Stage 4/5 has enemies that will chunk your health pretty badly and it's very hard to dodge them with no movement speed

[shell reef]

If u want false son and some additional content yeah but most of the items are greens made reds and alot of bad greys but sotv is much better

[dense lynx]

okay thank you!

[shell reef]

Np 👍

Whats the best way to get 20 different environments captian?

[dusky raven]

Isn’t it 10? And just like a loop run should do it

Iirc the stage you spawn on doesn’t count so take that into account

With hidden realms you could do it by stage 8

[quasi crystal]

You don't need to loop at all iirc

[shell reef]

Oh its ten alright

[quasi crystal]

Stage 1
Bazaar
Vields
Gilded coast
Stage 2
Stage 3
Stage 4
Stage 5
Commencement
Credits (counts according to wiki but if not go fight voidling)

Gilded coast is gambling but with sots it'll be easier

[dusky raven]

I forgot credits counts as an environment…somehow

[shell reef]

Alr thanks

[quasi crystal]

It's a map you can warp to it with console lol

A lot of games do that

[celest kayak]

mithrix is basically a movespeed check 😖 if you dont have some form of movement speed in the form of low cooldown abilities or general movespeed, mithrix will hit you a lot, and unless you have insane damage he will simply outlast you in the game of attrition

if you arent confident you have enough movespeed for mithrix, try oblitorating instead 😊

but yeah movespeed generally directly translates to your ability to dodge, so as others have said its really really useful. not necessary imo though! ive had some successful runs with little to no speed

[viral spade]

help, I've noticed that my game volume is really quiet, I have tried repairing and redownloading the game, but they did nothing. Any other ideas?

[gloomy egret]

Hello i am new to risk of rain 2
i checked the steam charts was surprised by how many players play the game around 8k
bought the game went to multiplayer only 3 - 4 lobbies all i see is that normal ?
or like most of the players play singleplayer
btw i tried enable cross play on and off
now its off

[keen falcon]

Help I just buy this game with my friend and we cannot even play together

[gloomy egret]

have you checked settings toggle epic games/steam cross player if its on or off for you and your friend ?

[keen falcon]

We both have disabled it by default

[steady stone]

so what's the exact issue?

[gloomy egret]

is your friend play on epic games or steam ?

[keen falcon]

When I'm host in the character select, my friend is not joining

we both on steam

[steady stone]

like black screen or?

[gloomy egret]

weird i dont know whats happening

[keen falcon]

no its like my friend just being kicked out from lobby

whenever on the select character screen

[steady stone]

try both turning on crossplay instead of off

the problem with this bug is it isnt the same for everybody so there's a few troubleshooting methods

it's not consistent at all, i'm just skimming 716 message thread https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1280065589595078727

[keen falcon]

We being try it all, seems nothing works

Its seems like a common bugged

[steady stone]

i see this in the thread:

main details of multiplayer bugs ive seen

• randomly disconnects ALL NON HOST PLAYERS at the same time, ussually around stage 4
• need cross play on to join players, as with it off, non host cant go in the run or survivor selector
• cant do lobbies in private mode, friends only and public lobbies only
• player names not appearing
• occasionally laggy, in rather unusual ways, this SPECIFICALLY, could just be me but im not sure.
• host cant vote for artifacts if player voting is on
• command feels laggy, idk if its multiplayer tho

the 3rd one seems likely, can you join publics?

[keen falcon]

let me try

No luck also can't

Its it server issue or what

[steady stone]

it's almost magic ngl

they've been looking into it but the problem isn't the same for anybody it seems

do you both own both DLCs, or does one person own them and one doesn't? that might be a problem

it seems like many people need crossplay on and it doesn't work while off

even while on the same platform

[keen falcon]

Only me have the dlc

[steady stone]

around #1280065589595078727 message there's a few messages detailing into it

[keen falcon]

that might be the problem

[steady stone]

Preston said it's not necessarily DLC ownership later in the thread

but if you both turn on crossplay like some of the other people it might fix an issue

it boots him whenever you get to character select?

this might also be valid to try #1280065589595078727 message

[keen falcon]

The other problem is when I turn on the crossplay, I cant even create a multiplayer game. The button doesnt even react to my click lol.

[steady stone]

that's one i haven't heard before

try verifying files

[keen falcon]

already done 2 times

I do not know what to do now

[steady stone]

still no button reactivity means it isn't a line missing

[keen falcon]

I reinstall it twice too

idk what missing

[steady stone]

No VPN?

[keen falcon]

nope

[steady stone]

the next thing i'd say is check your firewall settings, both of you, but mostly whoever is getting kicked

maybe ror2 needs more permissions or something now, with sots

[frozen flint]

is giving tricorn to an equipment drone uesless? I gave a drone one and it just stood around without using it until it let itself get killed

[slim spoke]

thats fucked

[frozen flint]

(during teleporter event)

[steady stone]

if it looks at a boss it will use it but it has to look at one iirc

[frozen flint]

man

id found two so i figured id store one in the drone to get two items

but alas

[steady stone]

kinda jank

like is more generous with targets so it's alright

but think of it as a player that is mashing the equipment button at all times

[frozen flint]

yeaj

[keen falcon]

No luck

[steady stone]

there's a thread on steam https://steamcommunity.com/app/632360/discussions/1/3049483103535489147/
some people are saying something called GameFirst VI messed with theirs, and some people needed to mess with their routers (they gave details on specifics)

the thread is very old, but many things involving networks might still apply

since those revolve around steam servers more than the updates

if you can try to use a hotspot it might give the devs more info on whether it's network related

like if it works with a hotspot it's probably some jank with a certain ISP

[keen falcon]

Never heard of that app

[keen falcon]

Still the same

I might think for a refund tbh

[steady stone]

honestly justifiable, but feel free to check back in the future. The dev team is working on it, and the multiplayer issue is at the top of their priority list it seems

[keen falcon]

Alright I will wait till this problem be fix. Thanks for the help btw

[elder stream]

Any ideas why ninja shurikens randomly curve left?

[azure thunder]

it is the way they were intended, they have never gone straigth

[white oak]

the only way I was able to fix the multiplayer issue for myself was to downpatch the game

[elder stream]

Alright so im not doing anything wrong making sure, its either straight or curved

[twilit nest]

So ive had these locked items for a good bit on command, they appear for all rarities but im not sure how to unlock them.

By a good bit i mean since i unlocked it, which is like two years ago

[left trellis]

I'm pretty sure that's where the DLC items would go if you had the DLCs

[twilit nest]

Theyve been there since before the dlc's were around, was it really there then? Also, im on the wiki and there arent this many dlc items

Thats like four dlc items?

[left trellis]

I'm also on the wiki. yes there are
10 white items are DLC, and you have 10 locks

[left trellis]

This graphic hasn't been updated and does not include the Seekers items

[twilit nest]

Hm

Still, its weird, since ive had it like that since way before the dlcs

[shell reef]

If i have crowbars will mithrix take them and kill me?

[twilit nest]

Yes and maybe

[hoary sedge]

you'll only die if you get hit

:)

[lavish jacinth]

I'm late, but its because shurikens actually have a slight homing effect. But it's super janky and likes to home in on the wrong target sometimes, so it ends up curving in weird directions

[elder stream]

Aim assisting on that fresh air😭

[lavish jacinth]

genuinely no idea why they didn't just make it pick targets the same way huntress does lol

[full apex]

i thought it just randomly curved not homing, but i dont rember

[lavish jacinth]

pseudo looked at the code a while ago

apparently it's mostly similar to how huntress does it, but where huntress just sorts targets by distance, shuriken uses this nonsense

[full apex]

ooooh cool

[elder stream]

Was horrid tryna counteract bad multiplayer ping and this when I had 5 shurikens off a teleporter ( 4 mountain shrines moment )

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, bad ping isn't gonna do you any favors lol

I think the idea with the homing was that you could aim your primary normally and the shurikens would pretty much aim themselves, but the wonky targeting kinda defeats the purpose

[timber flicker]

How do I play the game?

[full apex]

there are a bunch of tips pinned in here if thats what youre after

these were mine from a while ago

[quasi crystal]

Would 2 aegis do something on e7 rex with no healing items

Serious question there's an aegis soup on commencement

[lavish jacinth]

I mean... do you have 10 green scrap and nothing better to spend it on?

[quasi crystal]

Bchaos but I have a high CD equip

[lavish jacinth]

you've got the healing reduction from e5, remember. So Aegis is gonna be even more worthless than normal

[quasi crystal]

I'm in no rush proper save I have to go to work

[quasi crystal]

His m1 has been plenty 🙂

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, but you also constantly hurt yourself lol

unless you're using the robo skills

at best, aegis on rex just slightly mitigates the self damage

[quasi crystal]

I'vr used robo since e2 lol

[lavish jacinth]

I assume you're at least using harvest though

[quasi crystal]

No

That ability is unusable

[lavish jacinth]

good

[lavish jacinth]

I meant to say tangling growth here but I'm stupid lul
but yeah, harvest isn't even worth taking on e8

[quasi crystal]

Id take curse over harvest

Anywho if 2 aegis won't do anything with his m1 then I'll just go chaos

[lavish jacinth]

2 aegises on e5+ is gonna be about as effective as one aegis is normally

but rex without seed barrage might still have enough healing for it to be worth it

I'd say both options are equally mediocre lol

[radiant hemlock]

does anyone know if you can kill false son multiple times a run

[keen osprey]

nope

once you beat him, the storm calms, and no longer calls (as far as i know)

[radiant hemlock]

thanks, you saved me alot of time

[keen osprey]

yuo welecome

(spelling good i swear)

[quasi crystal]

Then I guess the question is how good is an aegis on rex lol but I get it

[lavish jacinth]

I actually haven't played with it enough to know off the top of my head, lol
but I do know that Rex is one of the only survivors with enough healing to sustain barrier, so it'll probably do something, at least

[full apex]

the main issue with aegis on rex is that you only profit barrier when youre at full hp

so its easy for your healing to just heal, or you get a lil barrier and spend it
but
i dont take it on him often so

[lavish jacinth]

they said they're using robo m2 and utility, so they might be at full health more often than rex usually is

tangling growth is still gonna eat up barrier tho

ironically if you were on e8 I'd say aegis might be a decent choice, the extra health could matter and you'd be using growth sparingly

[quasi crystal]

Is barrier loss counted for curse? Only done e8 on huntress and I barely took damage let alone barrier damage

[lavish jacinth]

I think so, yeah

[rancid jewel]

What's the best method of getting rex's "dunked"?

[quasi crystal]

I wish I could help you but I just blindly spammed m2 until I somehow got it

[eternal storm]

well you just get the clay dunestrider on aqueduct and shove it into a pit with your shift ability

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, pretty much that

the boop can shove dunestriders around if it feels like it, it's kinda finicky

but other than that it's sorta just a matter of restarting until you get a dunestrider on stage 2, I recommend turning off SotV so you don't get Aphelian

[quasi crystal]

The fact it's so specific is kind of unfortunate because treeborn and aphelion are much easier maps to do it in

But that's just the nature of the unlockable skills

[lavish jacinth]

it's a really random thing to have to do, too

like, it's kinda funny that you can do it at all, but I don't think that makes it worthy of having an unlock tied to it

[twilit nest]

How does delusion interact with vields, if at all?

[full apex]

good question

ill try it

[full apex]

seems like it doesnt

[twilit nest]

Rippers, thanks though!

[lavish jacinth]

delusion seems like it's specifically tied to the teleporter charging, it doesn't work on gilded coast either iirc

[full apex]

correct

[celest kayak]

does anyone know if their is a way to have no item runs be viable? idk sometimes i like chilling without worrying about all the effects 😵‍💫

especially in similacrum… love that mode

[full apex]

usually its just finishing the run before you get outscaled, like hard rushing teles

but since you dont get items to scale you up once you fall behind things can get rough. especially if you play a weaker char

like lodr is the best option probably bcuz fast, and thats what speedrunners do i think

[celest kayak]

hmm. fair its definitely a weird question. soemtimes i just enjoy a bit of simplicity and playing with the base kit. definitely niche though

[full apex]

if you used command you could try to focus on more generic effects

which would be less noisy but still give some scaling

[celest kayak]

definitely a good idea. maybe i could get forks. ty, i didnt think of that!

[marble osprey]

Bandit with desperado can scale on its own and acrid's poison isn't heavily affected by items so it generally stays good, one of those could work kinda well but I don't think it'd be much fun personally

[quasi crystal]

I believe itemless is most possible on loader acrid and railgunner

Loader can just insta jump to tp, acrid never gets out scaled in damage rg is just built different (I've seen e8 itemless rg runs its awesome)

[marble osprey]

There's also mods like item blacklist or command queue you could use to reduce the item pool to basically just invisible stat buffs (crit, delicate watches, crowbar, goat hooves etc) to make the command idea a bit easier/more convenient

[celest kayak]

railgunner is painful imo. her damage just doesnt scale well?! so you can eventually need 7< hits on a golems crit spot to kill it…

even though shes my favourite character…

along with acrid

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think itemless simulacrum would be possible, at least not for very long. In normal runs you can at least try to beat the timer, and you can get drones for healing and some extra damage

[celest kayak]

fair!

yeah ive tried it and not got too far. like wave 20, but with lots of attrition

[lavish jacinth]

I know some people also do merc itemless, but it's definitely harder than loader or acrid. Merc's kit has this funny paradox where he essentially gets stronger the more overwhelmed he is, so you can keep up with scaling pretty well

the key is just knowing how to utilize expose

more enemies surrounding you = more expose procs = shorter cooldowns and more damage

[celest kayak]

yeahh merc has been surprisingly fun and easy ever since i turned off sprint sensitivity reduction lol

[full apex]

yea the main thing about itemless normal runs, is that the stage mult is exponential... so if you keep the timer mult low it has less of an impact

but once it catches up it catches up hard. ive never tried simul but honestly because no timer someone like acrid might maaaaaaaybe have a chance to abuse his worst playstyle, hiding and letting poison do aaaaaaaall the work slowly lmao

[plucky hearth]

About to buy Risk of Rain 2 but am probably not going to download the DLC. Will I still be able to play with people who are using DLC content?

[lavish jacinth]

yep

you won't be able to use dlc characters, but all the other dlc content will be available

[plucky hearth]

Awesome.

[celest kayak]

omg sidenote but its so fun…. its how i play the game…

[full apex]

i recently got to enjoy some sloooooooooooooow acrid gameplay, i did a 50 player scaling run. you start hella behind so theres like 30 minutes of kiting and poisoning haha

[hallow crypt]

General question: if I'm on PC, and my friend is on Xbox Series X, is there any way to play together?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[full apex]

i dont think theres pc/console crossplay

i dont think its planned right now either...

[celest kayak]

50 player?! crazy i only have 1 ror friend 😵‍💫

[hallow crypt]

I heard we could do it if we both enable cross -play on Epic Games or something? Wondering before we buy

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[full apex]

yea i was alone it was a mod lol

[celest kayak]

oh my bad haha

[lavish jacinth]

steam/egs crossplay is still a PC-only thing, you were told wrong

[celest kayak]

yeah 😖

[hallow crypt]

Ok, thanks. 🥲

[celest kayak]

we need crossplay

[lavish jacinth]

maybe someday, I think the team has other priorities right now

[hallow crypt]

I heard it also had lots of expansion things, so maybe they can start doing cross-play soon!

[lavish jacinth]

well, right now they're working on getting the most recent expansion fixed and rebalanced

[celest kayak]

itd make sense. they unified the console and pc code!

[lavish jacinth]

and before that they were busy completely rebuilding the console versions to have closer parity with PC (and to fix about a million bugs)

[trim narwhal]

there are eclipse 8 no item / equip / drone runs done

you can google and see em on youtube, acrid railgunner and loader

[celest kayak]

no haha i know. i almost completed a few on monsoon, just died at mithrix thanks to no mobility

i was specifically wondering about a chill experience though ahah

[trim narwhal]

i mean itd always be harder and maybe not too engaging sometimes

most roguelikes will be like this on no items, theres some exceptions though

[celest kayak]

sometimes less is more to me. charlotte had a good suggestion ill definitely try though 😊

[trim narwhal]

like necrodancer is pretty balanced for itemless runs

highest hp an enemy can have is 9, and lowest dps you can have is like 2, so

itll still be way harder, but the enemies wont take forever to kill

[celest kayak]

ive never played haha

im a ror2/deadlink/vampire survivors kinda person!

[haughty tapir]

oh hey i made that list

sad it didnt help

seriously how does multiplayer break like this

[twilit nest]

Whats the, if there is one, best spot for spawns in vields? I may or may not be sacrifice grinding in vields

[lavish jacinth]

the best spots are probably on the tops of the hills, easy to kill enemies from up there and grounded enemies can't easily reach you

[full apex]

theres not really a best spot for causing enemies to spawn at certain rates

the directors will get income at a fixed pace, so if they decide to wait theyll just spawn something bigger (which means higher drop chance)

i used to stand behind the lil rock thing near the cliff under the portal when i did the funny back in the day, the cover helps avoid random shenans so its a decent place to idle overnight lol

[cold stratus]

ok so what are the idea items for engineer now? grey, green, red, equipment, etc.?

[lavish jacinth]

Plus the usual proc items, damage multipliers, move speed, etc. that are good on anyone

and that's just the really good stuff, engie has synergies with tons of items

[cold stratus]

ok cuz i was told wungus and i was like what???

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it isn't bad

[cold stratus]

i know all the stuff pre-void dlc

[lavish jacinth]

wungus keeps you alive and elixir still works great for turrets

[cold stratus]

but it doesn't work with them moving turrets does it?

[wide parrot]

nope

[lavish jacinth]

not really, but that's hardly a reason not to take it if you're running mobile turrets

[wide parrot]

at least not well enough to warrant it in the same way you would bungus

[lavish jacinth]

they do sprint but only when far away from you, yeah

and elixir is a good replacement for bungus

[cold stratus]

oki cool thank you

[lavish jacinth]

every time you rebuild turrets they get their consumable items refreshed, as long as you don't lose your own copy of the item. same with dio and larva

[quasi crystal]

Healing isn't the only thing turrets can use

[lavish jacinth]

that too

[cold stratus]

why visions

[lavish jacinth]

it's an overall dps upgrade for both turrets, and it's less awkward than his normal primary

the downside is that the delayed damage can sometimes make it easier for enemies to get close to his turrets, and they tend to waste shots

that's only really a problem for stationary turrets though, for mobile turrets it's almost entirely an upgrade. Plus it fixes an issue where shurikens don't fire consistently with their normal laser

[cold stratus]

what boss items and equipment??

[lavish jacinth]

are great as always, can also be strong on turrets
equipment can really just be whatever seems best for your run, can be nice but equips generally aren't character specific

when in doubt, are always strong fallbacks

*unless you're running command, then card and recycler are useless

[cold stratus]

i was abt to say what's those last two do??

[blazing garnet]

How many void items should I aim for on Void Fiend if I want to keep access to both forms? Like 13 for the infinite healing? I'd also like to know if corrupted suppress is really that worth using, since sacking 25% of my health for an extra 2 or 3 seconds of high damage seems extremely risky

[cold stratus]

real^ i've been trying to learn about void fiend too

[lavish jacinth]

card lets you take all 3 items from a multishop, recycler lets you reroll items. But command removes multishops and there's no need to reroll, obviously

[cold stratus]

ohh ok yeah i always use command

command and item drop from enemy is the way to go imo

[lavish jacinth]

if it's fun then go for it

personally I find them both really boring lol

[cold stratus]

i find them fun, but boring when using other characters so i understand

[blazing garnet]

Using command to spam bustling fungus on engi is so broken
Invincible turrets

[lavish jacinth]

I'd say it depends a little on your build, particularly how much crit chance you have, but if you want consistent access to both forms I probably wouldn't go too far above like 20 void items.
And yeah, I wouldn't bother ever using corrupted suppress outside of some really niche situations

a couple extra seconds being corrupted isn't all that important, and with decent crit chance you can pretty much stay corrupt as long as you want

[blazing garnet]

And would you say singularity band is worth it on void fiend? It seems considerably worse than just having a fire or ice band, or both

[lavish jacinth]

nah

viend has a decent band proc and you potentially give up a lot of damage by taking void bands, it's usually not worth it

[blazing garnet]

Alright ty

[marble osprey]

Is there any scenario where you want to take void bands? I can't think of any but I'm curious about your thoughts
Well ig I can think of one which would be from a void lockbox on the moon when you don't have any bands, or something similar to that

[serene vector]

no ;D

[blazing garnet]

If you have the thing that upgrades your items each level it might not be a terrible decision but idk what bands upgrade into

[glacial knoll]

just any damage red like happiest mask or behemoth

[marble osprey]

Hmm that's kinda fair as well

[quasi crystal]

Corrupted suppress works with safer right

[lavish jacinth]

well, there's the obvious one where you're near the end of the run and don't already have normal bands

[lavish jacinth]

safer spaces will block it if that's what you mean

[quasi crystal]

Well I assumed the damage triggered the extension

Idk never use it and rarely play viend

[lavish jacinth]

nah, you do still get the corruption

[cold stratus]

true son ain't all that is he?

[lavish jacinth]

nah he fake as hell

false son on the other hand is pretty good, assuming you mean the playable version

and by pretty good I mean he's kinda broken lol

[cold stratus]

no i mean false son

he's weak asf or maybe i just don't know how to use him

[lavish jacinth]

the charged slam alone is bonkers, 1500% damage every couple seconds (I forget the exact charge time but I know it's fast) and 3.0 proc coeff

high stats across the board plus the bonuses he gets from his passive, and a solid kit

admittedly I've only done a few runs with him but he's been really strong every time, although he does feel a little awkward at first

you basically use lunar spikes to mark targets then beat them to death with the club's charged attack, and use laser to get your spikes back

[cold stratus]

yeah he still seems mid when compared to railgunner or loader

[lavish jacinth]

there might be a more optimal way to play him but I'd have to do more runs lol

the only part of his kit I'd say isn't great is the uncharged primary

[lavish jacinth]

in my experience he's easily on the same tier as them

maybe better, like I said I need to do more runs with him. But he's really good from what I've seen so far and he's insane on paper

[minor jungle]

Idk honestly he is as strong as void fiend

[lavish jacinth]

spammable 1500% AoE with 3.0 coeff is just silly, that by itself could practically carry a run. And on top of that he can ramp up damage even more with lunar ruin and get a bunch of useful stat buffs from his passive

he's so broken that he manages to make bison steak an item worth keeping

[serene vector]

u cant lose with a single stone pauldron

if u do its a skill issue fr fr the laser kills all HAHAHA

[quasi crystal]

I've stacked multiple as fs and afkd mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

He might honestly be the best character in the game right now, I just haven't played him enough to say that with confidence lol

[quasi crystal]

He's like actually fun despite being overpowered too something seeker can't claim

[lavish jacinth]

the contrast between fs and chef is insane

[quasi crystal]

Clesrly false son was made by the same person that made sonorous and chef was made by the same person who made unstable transmitter

[terse halo]

Halloween update?

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure the devs have more important things to worry about rn

[loud shuttle]

Is there a written Viend guide somewhere? I just got him(?) and I wanna test him out.

[lavish jacinth]

there used to be one pinned here but it got deleted, the wiki might still help tho https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Void_Fiend

but playing him is a lot less complicated than it seems, trust me

tl;dr usually you'll stay in uncorrupt mode most of the time, use your special occasionally to hover at around 75% corruption so you can quickly heal or go corrupt whenever you need it, avoid %-based healing items that you can't easily control like wungus (slug is fine tho, regen doesn't count towards corruption), otherwise he's an all-rounder for items so most things will work

[loud shuttle]

Oh ty

[north glacier]

How would I be able to get in touch with someone who knows the legals of the game? I want to try and bring the dedicated server exe up to the latest game version but I want to know that if I were to share it or even facilitate my own games with friends that I'm not going to be penalized in some way

[lavish jacinth]

your best bet might be to just contact gearbox directly https://www.gearboxsoftware.com/contact/, you could also try to get ahold of the GBX staff here on the server but I don't know how best to do that

[north glacier]

Sweet 👍 thank you. I'll send it over. I just really would like to see this be a thing in the endstages of ror2. I have terrible internet and I want to be able to setup a simple vps for me and my friends to jump on without having to worry about distance

and if I get the greenlight I'll make sure to let peeps here know if interested

[lavish jacinth]

good luck, hopefully you can at least get a response lol.

[north glacier]

D: yeah hopefully

[wicked cliff]

can a 2 years old mod still useable ?

[lavish jacinth]

probably not

[wicked cliff]

sad can't have thick loader

[brisk atlas]

So, does anyone that plays n PC and uses Steam know what are these 3 hidden achievements?

[mental sorrel]

Are they not the new ones?

[lavish jacinth]

every achievement is tied to an ingame challenge, you can just check the challenge section in the logbook to see which ones you don't have yet

but yeah, they're probably the 3 new ones

[mental sorrel]

Kill false son, get false son, unlock chef. All the new ones

[brisk atlas]

I did unlock every character in the game, up to SoTV, but I do not have SoTS.

[mental sorrel]

It's prolly sots stuff then

Guaranteed

[brisk atlas]

Does each of the three new characters have only one achievement tied to them?

[mental sorrel]

Nah, just false son and chef

Seeker is a freebee

(idfk how steam achievements work so don't listen to me)

[lavish jacinth]

one for getting chef, one for beating the false son boss, and one for unlocking false son as a survivor

those are the only 3 they added, although I heard somewhere that they're adding more

[mental sorrel]

"die 1000 times as chef"

Easiest achievement in the game?

[brisk atlas]

Okay. Thank you very much! 💙

[forest linden]

Is shrimp affected by icbm?

[lavish jacinth]

yes

[forest linden]

Cool. Thanks

[wide parrot]

Are Infusion, Cautious Slug, and Bison Steak unlocked by default?

[steady stone]

Infusion no, checking the others rn

The other 2 yeah I think

Only saw an "unlock" for infusion on the wiki

Infusion being defeat 3000 enemies

[shell reef]

What abilities do i use on commando

[glacial knoll]

alt/alt/whichever

shotgun is a lot of good damage, slide is better, both specials kinda solve a small problem but aren't that good

[twilit nest]

Do the lunar scavengers count to bad medicine?

[glacial knoll]

no

[twilit nest]

Not sure what to call them but lunar scavengers seems appropriate

[twilit nest]

Damn

[livid wedge]

Twisted scavengers

It's their subtitle

[vale cove]

what actually triggers the distant roost door to open? the wiki doesn't seem to say unless i missed it

[wide parrot]

nothing

its a stage variant

either it is or it isn't

[vale cove]

is there a way with items to get around it while it's closed

[daring cloak]

Depends on the door

[vale cove]

wdym

[glacial knoll]

there are no items behind the door if it is closed

[daring cloak]

This one for example yes you can

[daring cloak]

There may still be a newt altar

[vale cove]

no but a newt altar is currently and so o was wondering if i could use items to still get to it

[daring cloak]

If you manage to clip through it or go around the stage to it yes you can reach spots that are closed off

[vale cove]

thanks!

[obsidian fiber]

is there any equipment that can make someone else revive?

had a weird run a while back with a friend where i died, neither of us had any means of respawning, but suddenly i was just alive again

he had bottled chaos and i'm thinking that was the only way it could've happened, but if that was it, how?

[wide parrot]

yes there is

Seed of Life

[obsidian fiber]

that just revives the person holding it i thought?

[daring cloak]

No

It has that as its passive effect but also a full team revive as an active effect

Both of which will turn it into the used seed of life

[obsidian fiber]

oh ok

[glacial knoll]

yeah its in the bottled chaos pool likely a overseight

[obsidian fiber]

yeah because if i'm understanding this correctly it means it could just do that over and over with enough time and RNG

[fair depot]

has there been any update on when the balance patch for SOTS will be out? lowkey tired of playing modded and would love to return to vanilla

[full apex]

yea but also means in singleplayer or when everyone is alive, rolling it just does nothing.. classic bottled chaos

[full apex]

not yet... hopefully soon.

[fair depot]

Yeah, im just not super active in the discord and i was hopeful

[blazing garnet]

Is huntress just bad or am I bad? Her damage feels very lacking, she has virtually no survivability, and her mobility is honestly kind of lackluster since my options are either very long cooldown or exclusively horizontal dash

[full apex]

her biggest strength is her ability to put out damage almost nonstop for very little effort, and her mobility is pretty solid

her damage is really really bad, comfortably lowest like her entire kit getting perfect value off CD is less than caps m1, and shes the only character in the game with a base health down (and no armor or bonus regen to show for it)

considering the targeting can be annoying sometimes, and with some practice its not hard to have consistent output on other survivors, she comes out being pretty weak overall... so its tougher to stick runs with her. if you have good results with other chars then you might just need more practice with her to stick runs more easily, since youre effectively starting off more behind than other chars (esp like lodr or bandit or smth)

[livid wedge]

She's not great but she's far from unplayable

[steady stone]

Her damage may be bad but it has some of the better potential, similar to commando

There's not a lot of items she doesn't use well, besides like health items

And her survivability is good, but it's a don't get hit mentality, due to being frail

The always sprinting while firing singlehandedly keeps her afloat

Only use your skills when you have time, or prefire your R as to not hover in place

[hoary sedge]

also if you don't have the alt special priorize trying to get it, it's pretty much a direct upgrade and can carry your damage early in a run before you start getting stuff to proc with the m1

[steady stone]

the problem is that arrow rain has, what, 0.2 proc coeff?

[hoary sedge]

smth like that

and the cooldown is way too long

[full apex]

arrow rain just doesnt have good damage or coeffs for its CD yea

and iirc it doesnt slow either does it

[steady stone]

that's just that weird rex debuff iirc

oh actually it does slow

rex has that weird green arrow debuff though that's better right?

might be crazy lmao

no i'm right, Weakening

so it does have slow but it's not as good as it's "counterpart" per se

[full apex]

i think drill slows

[steady stone]

well it doesn't say it slows, but the other skills slow which can keep them in the drill circle is the positive

weaken is also -30 armor and 40% damage though

[full apex]

oh arrow rain slows and drill doesnt

i had it backwards

[steady stone]

yeah

[full apex]

weaken and root make it better though
or well
also the fact that its just better...

[steady stone]

ballista is undeniably better simply because

it makes bands from an item that "exists" to an actually really good item on her

[full apex]

classic

also classic

poor arrow rain

[steady stone]

330 missile damage

can't even proc bands

[full apex]

but also ballista is worse than caps util

[steady stone]

well yeah but the bar is set at arrow rain lol, so it's p good

[full apex]

which is 1000% instead of 900%, 11s instead of 12s iirc, and has aoe hahaha

its weird her specials are both outclassed by another classes m2 and util respectively

[steady stone]

i do like that ballista is instant if you mash tho, the upside imo

[full apex]

air stall is funny too

[steady stone]

the burst is huge and you dont sacrifice your control for more than half a sec

funny but i'm too frail to be holdin still in the air

huntress is more movespeed builds than health

[analog brook]

Wait rain on huntress and Rex is literally copy and pasted but on a significantly shorter cooldown LMAOO

[full apex]

drill is slightly less damage and hits, but significantly shorter CD (literally half) and also way higher proc coeff

[lavish jacinth]

never forget

[full apex]

the game DEF powercreeped really really hard over time

and the devs have addressed it, back i the day they did a QnA and i did a question about balance. they basically said it doesnt really matter, as long as its fun. so newer stuff being stronger was fine cause its fun, but a byproduct was old stuff never being buffed to match

[lavish jacinth]

even back then 0.2 seems pretty low, although it was probably related to additive damage being a thing

[quasi crystal]

Arrow rain being as awful as it is isn't "fun"

[acoustic acorn]

Arrow rain would be alright cuz it helps with deadmark if it didnt get replaced with 3 hidrogen missles

[lavish jacinth]

helping with death mark isn't exactly a high bar to hit lol

like it's something but it doesn't justify the damage and proc coeff being so low

[acoustic acorn]

Its not like they are going to make it a 0.8 proc efficiency, double area, double damage, and even if they did, the arbalet can do way more damage

[lavish jacinth]

I mean... rex's drill is basically that

similar radius and 0.5 coeff, but still

increasing rain's damage and coeff would hardly be overpowered lol

[opal willow]

whats arrow rains proc rn

[lavish jacinth]

0.2

and it hits 19 times

[opal willow]

its not guranteed to hit all of it tho. i think like a .4 would be better

or .3. idk just a little something

[lavish jacinth]

they could make it 1.0 and it would be fine lol

it's only about 3 hits per second

[opal willow]

it should be higher tho
anything would help it

[lavish jacinth]

or increase the tickrate, that might be more fun

have it hit like 10x per second to match the visual, that might actually justify the coeff being really low

[opal willow]

wait it only hits that little?? i always thought it was super high amount

[lavish jacinth]

yup, 19 hits over 6 seconds

[opal willow]

man, knew it was trash but wow

[lavish jacinth]

and 12s cooldown lol

[opal willow]

and the damage of 330 isnt bad but, not good at all

[lavish jacinth]

it's just silly when you compare it to drill, idk why they never went back and buffed it at least a little bit

and rex actually has tools to group up enemies and keep them in drill's radius for its whole duration

[fresh umbra]

Is hh44 on railgunner worth using? I feel like not being able to sprint while using it is a huge disadvantage, but idk if it’s viable to try to counteract that with goat hooves

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's totally viable, you just have to be aware of your surroundings and not get tunnel vision

[tacit summit]

sprint to reposition to safe space, then use m2 to spam enemies, when they reach you you just repeat that again

alternatively you can m2, m1, let go m2, ctrl

in a quick succession many times

it doesnt punish for missed shots like m99, but it does lack the pierce and maybe has lower dps
its an easier tool to use that can get very flashy if mastered

[lavish jacinth]

the dps is a good bit lower than the m99 assuming you consistently hit perfect reloads, but the hh44 does have much better attack speed scaling and is a little more flexible in general

I love this clip

[fresh umbra]

LMFAO

[bronze palm]

i know that we only just got a new DLC for RoR2 but are there potential ideas for a 3rd DLC that have been floating around?

[lavish jacinth]

none that we know of, it's a little early to be thinking about that

[bronze palm]

i know its abit early but im addicted.

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure gearbox wants to get the second dlc finished before they start worrying about a third

if you're desperate for new content you can always play modded

[bronze palm]

what are the two interactables second and third last to the right? i've never seen it in my games before.

[lavish jacinth]

far right is the cache from encrusted key, next to that is the void potential chest that spawns in void seeds and locus

[livid wedge]

@full apex should modmail be asking me to login? That sounds like a major red flag

[lavish jacinth]

and the other thing is the void stalk or whatever they're called, also from void seeds

[bronze palm]

i have never seen a void potential chest or a stalk. i own both dlcs.

[lavish jacinth]

if you've ever seen a void seed then there's no way you haven't seen a stalk, they spawn all over the place inside them

and potential chests are decently common inside them too

I heard SotS broke some stuff with spawning SotV interactables but they should still appear afaik, just be less common with normal

[bronze palm]

a void seed is the purple bubble right? im not thinking of something else?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the ones that randomly spawn on stages

potentials and stalks also spawn in void locus

[bronze palm]

whats the easiest way to complete the rollong thunder challenge for commando? is there like a difficulty requirement or just luck?

[lavish jacinth]

just loop until you get an overloading worm to spawn, basically. On monsoon you typically start seeing them around stage 8 or 9, although you can sometimes get them earlier by stacking enough mountain shrines. Lower difficulties will take longer

[bronze palm]

ok, thanks

[lavish jacinth]

artifacts can make it easier obviously, don't bother with honor though. Despite the name they're not actually an elite

[bronze palm]

ok

[dusk parcel]

Is the ror2 console inv link cross-platform? I couldn't find any information about it

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[dusk parcel]

Then what is the purpose of it

[lavish jacinth]

wait, you mean like the lobby codes? I'm not super familar with console stuff

the only crossplay is between steam and epic games, which is still PC-only

[dusk parcel]

Why would it be on console then? That seems so weird

[lavish jacinth]

if I'm thinking of the right thing, invite links are probably just another method to invite people to games if they're not on your friends list or whatever.

PC uses it for steam/epic crossplay and stuff, they probably just kept the feature on console because there was no reason to get rid of it

[dusk parcel]

Ahhhh kk makes sense ig ty

[quasi crystal]

I've gotten an overloading worm at 37 minutes on monsoon with 3 shrines I did vields though which probably influenced it

Unless I'm mistaken vields affects difficulty scaling even without a timer right

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's definitely possible to get them early. It just requires a lot of luck with shrines and the director deciding to spawn a worm

[marble osprey]

Vields doesn't affect difficulty scaling, no, that's why it's so broken
Mountain shrines just give the teleporter event a ton of credits

[quasi crystal]

I'm pretty sure it allows scavs and mill techs to spawn early

[marble osprey]

Scavs can spawn early without vields, I've seen them stage 4 no vields

[lavish jacinth]

does it still increment the stage count? they change that like every update lol

[lavish jacinth]

only on sundered grove

[marble osprey]

Yeah correct

[lavish jacinth]

no idea why it's only that stage

but yeah, if vields doesn't change the timer or stage count, then it should have no effect on scaling at all

[quasi crystal]

I've seen a scav on sky meadow preloop after vields I'm pretty sure it still counts

[lavish jacinth]

it shouldn't, unless this is some new sots jank

also if scavs were spawning early, then you'd also see early t2 elites

[quasi crystal]

Seeing reddit posts of scavs on stage 5 ranging from years ago to recently lol idk man maybe we're all in a Mandela effect

[lavish jacinth]

well, that's not impossible, because there WAS a time when going to vields increased the stage count, so you could get postloop enemies on sky meadow preloop

but I don't think it does that anymore they literally change it with every update and I never go there to check lmao

[quasi crystal]

Every copy of ror2 is personalized

[marble osprey]

Wiki says it does count so I was wrong ig

[quasi crystal]

I'm seeing people say gilded coast counts too

[quasi crystal]

There might be a separate check for t2s since scavs just check for stage 6

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure t2 elites do too

[marble osprey]

I don't see anything about that one on the wiki so idk

[quasi crystal]

Well I've never gotten a scav going to gc

[lavish jacinth]

overloading worms can spawn early because they're not stage-restricted, they're just really expensive. But scavs and t2 elites specifically check if you're on stage 6 or higher afaik

other than scavs spawning on stage 4 sundered for some reason

[serene vector]

free items :d

[quasi crystal]

Yeah that was the topic but maybe vields advancing a stage gives the director more credits

[quasi crystal]

Sundered grove haters when my scav drops good items and their magma worm chases s drone then drops a lepton daisy

[lavish jacinth]

well yeah, if it counts then it increases the difficulty like any other stage would

but you'd see that on the stage counter

[quasi crystal]

Hence better chance at a worm

[marble osprey]

Well this is what the wiki patch notes says tho so 🤷

If I was at home rn I'd just test it

[quasi crystal]

They added Huggies to ror2

[lavish jacinth]

well, the timer is separate from the stage counter

[marble osprey]

Yeah but the most recent one says the stage count does not increase, the exxxxx one

[lavish jacinth]

it does, but it's not up to date. SotS could've changed it again

I'll try to remember to check later lol

[pale elk]

quick question how does artifact of rebirth work?

is it pernament? or do i lose it next run?

[lavish jacinth]

you store an item in it, then next time you do a run with rebirth, you'll start with that item

you do lose it next run though, it's basically single use

[pale elk]

that sucks cause i have a red item in there rn so i feel like i'll never use it

[quasi crystal]

With a mod you can make it permanent

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you can just use it next time you want to do a run with an easy start ig

but yeah it's kinda lame that it works that way

when I first got it I though it was gonna be like a roguelite thing, like you can keep putting more items into it to make it stronger

and maybe lose them if you die or something

would've been neat imo

[quasi crystal]

Insert gearbox dev joke

[frozen vessel]

anyone happen to know how seeker (mostly sojourn specifically) plays w corpsebloom?

[quasi crystal]

You might be into something if sojourn doesn't block healing already being applied once it malachites you

[lavish jacinth]

if it works the same way e5 does, then the heal reduction during sojourn would probably nerf corpsebloom pretty hard. Would have to test to be sure though

[proper helm]

guys should i get seekers of the storm???

[full apex]

when you DM the bot?

[lavish jacinth]

it still has a lot of issues, imo it's best to wait until after the next patch and see what sort of state it's in then

[proper helm]

okay thx

[livid wedge]

Yeah

[full apex]

hmmm if its opening in browser or smth maybe, but im not really sure since im mod i dont really know what it looks like firsthand

i would have assumed if its already in the discord app i wouldnt think it would need to log in?.

[livid wedge]

Yeah, it opens a browser and asks me to login

Years in IT support screamed at me not to sign in there

[full apex]

if you want to, you can DM and i can either help out or share internally manually

i'd have to look into it more but it makes sense if you feel off about logging into something random hahaha

[full apex]

ok so it does need to auth to see which servers you are in since its used for multiple i suppose

afterwards it was fine though

[livid wedge]

Thank you for checking

[full apex]

yea yea np, i was really curious myself since i havent had to use it myself. i feel its the sort of thing i should know

[forest linden]

Which “final boss” has the most HP? Mithrix, Voidling, False Son?

[lavish jacinth]

voidling, easily

voidling takes an eternity to kill

[full apex]

according to wiki data, mith is 1k base hp with adaptive armor, voidling is 2k base with adaptive, and FS is 1.2k with no adaptive armor.

I just did a few tests with the timer and stuff putting enemies at level 83 and special scaling hp multiplier to 12.32, and got ~315k for mith, 378k for FS, and 630k for Voidling.

So yea not even close, double base and adaptive armor to boot

[lavish jacinth]

that also means FS technically has the least effective health despite having more than mithrix

[pulsar nova]

well, sorta depends on how quick you kill it

if you did 1 damage per second it would have more than mithrix

[full apex]

yea. he technically has more base armor, being 23 which is a weird number, but considering AA goes to 400, 3 bonus base doesnt compare at all.

[lavish jacinth]

ok, technically true

but in just about any real situation, FS goes down way faster than Mith

[full apex]

since its 30 armor per 1% hp, dealing 0.1% of his hp grants enough armor to match FS lol

[pulsar nova]

woah

aa is stronger than I thought

[full apex]

yea its really funny, being at max 400 is 5x eHP

it decays 40/s so it would be 10s of nothing for it to fully de-ramp

also means though that if you are dealing 1% of his hp per second, youd add 30 and it would decay 40 which would be a net negative so it would drain

[pulsar nova]

all things considered, 1% hp per second is pretty high dps

so it makes sense that that still triggers a large amount of AA

[full apex]

as a bonus:
same setup went to twisted scav, at least for gura gura its 1mil

so maybe if you count those, they are pretty tanky hahaha

kipkip was the same and wipwip was 763k

no adaptive armor though and that really does do work, even just averaging 100/400 armor is ~50% reduction making the fight twice as long

[analog brook]

Does anyone know if levelling stats (mostly interested in hp) get repupdated when the character changes. If a level 20 merc changes to heretic would the player receives all the 20 levels worth of heretic hp or only gain it from future levels?

[glacial knoll]

yeah it updates it doesn't know anything about previous lifetimes

[bronze palm]

does anyone know if the soldiers syringe increases artificers primary attack recharge rate? like the fireballs?

[slim spoke]

i think not

[glacial knoll]

ever since sots it lowers the skills cooldown yes

[slim spoke]

things like alien head and purity can help, still

[slim spoke]

omfg did you just tell him the SINGLE good thing about sots

[analog brook]

Good*

Not bad but kinda pointless tbh

[slim spoke]

sure, it only benefits like 3* characters but it's pretty much the best niche thing of this update

[quasi crystal]

it makes syringes good on her instead of annoying (assuming you arent using flamethrower)

[slim spoke]

quit dissing shit
feels just like iphones vs. androids all over again

[analog brook]

Wait who’s the third one ?

[quasi crystal]

They might mean bandit (even if bandit was already like that)

[slim spoke]

bandit, arti, and scrapyard mul-t

[quasi crystal]

I don't think scrap mul t is affected

[slim spoke]

havent seen anyone tried it yet

but just maybe, it might just work

[quasi crystal]

I infact use scrap it does not seem to work

[slim spoke]

quite a disappointment
seems like gearbox has a mecha favoritism

[quasi crystal]

Chef it does work on though but I use better chef so

[slim spoke]

[analog brook]

Yeah it was only added to chef and arti 💔

Scrap launcher yet again, left in the dust

[slim spoke]

wait where tf is bandit bro 😭

[analog brook]

Wdym?

If it’s about the fire rate thing, he’s been like that since his introduction in anniversary update

[glacial knoll]

Bandit m1 has never had skill cooldown it's just a different reload mechanic

[peak jacinth]

it already worked on bandit and scrap mult isn’t affected, it only changes arti and chef afaik

[peak jacinth]

I mean it doesn’t really need it tbh

[slim spoke]

oh.

[slim spoke]

nah he really need it

[peak jacinth]

syringes already work on scrap launchers it just doesn’t reduce the cooldown

but firing faster still reduces the time between bursts

and also scrap launcher is already good so

[analog brook]

It doesn’t need it I agree, it’s good, but it is heavily overshadowed by nail gun and rebar and a buff that would bring attention to it and would do wonders for a lot of peoples variety and enjoyment of mul-T

I kinda see it as desperato and lights out but cranked up by 100 times

[peak jacinth]

it has almost double the dps of rebar and quadruple the procs, it’s not overshadowed at all lmao

it’s very underrated

[analog brook]

Double the dps?

[peak jacinth]

yep, it’s got 600% dps compared to 333% dps of rebar

[analog brook]

What about retool

[peak jacinth]

so almost double

[peak jacinth]

harder to calculate and I don’t feel like doing that rn lol

[analog brook]

Also are you taking the cd into consideration

[peak jacinth]

yes

scrap gets shot and reloaded in 2.4s

4x360% / 2.4

this is what I mean, it really doesn’t need the help at all. It’s a very strong primary, extremely underrated

it also has way better proc potential than rebar because of the aoe

[analog brook]

Interesting

When combined and compared to everything it doesn’t seem like in the grand scheme of things it’s actually that good is it?

[peak jacinth]

in that chart it’s got very average results which is exactly what you’d expect from it

[brisk perch]

Why is it that when I play with a friend, things start to get really laggy at some time.
We both have decent computers and stable internet.

[peak jacinth]

do either or both of you have crossplay enabled? if so turn it off and try that. If not then it’s probably just because gearbox messed with some multiplayer stuff in updates and it’s kinda laggy + buggy now

[sacred ingot]

i don't know if this has been asked here already, but is it true that prayer beads don't give you the stats increase when scrapped manually?

i saw that somewhere, like that you have to lose them by "accident" (randomly spend it in a printer or cauldron, or smth)

[glacial knoll]

it gives you stats based on the amount you have in the inventory so if you scrap them you usually have 0 left only giving 15% stats

when printing one away and then you have 0 left then it's also 15% if you printed one away and had 4 left then it'd be like idk 35?

[sacred ingot]

is that an intended mechanic tho? cuz it seems kinda stupid to me

it considerably lowers the item's value imo

[hoary sedge]

most likely a bug/oversight

[glacial knoll]

no of course it's a bug

they Have the value to keep track of how many beads to give stats for, they just use the wrong value so you always end up with less

no item in this dlc works fully 100% intentionally gotta remember that

[daring cloak]

Except knockback fin sadly

Wish that thing coulda had an oversight or 2 to make it a bit better

[glacial knoll]

well it doesn't work with Luck that's like pretty objectively a bug.

[daring cloak]

Oh my lor

[glacial knoll]

all the rest of it's shenanigans yeah that's

[daring cloak]

of all the things to go wrong

Why does fin have to get even worse

Cant the boss n flying enemy restriction or cooldown enemy buff bug out or smth

[timber flicker]

How blind are blind pests?

[glacial knoll]

no eye but big tongue

so like a 10/20 on the vision scale

[latent bough]

They can taste our presence

[amber cliff]

Is bleed from shatterspleen always 3 seconds or it's duration is also affected by proc coef

[livid wedge]

Proc coef like dagger

[blazing garnet]

How does the mercenary deal with bosses? I can abuse iframes and not die but the fights are just so sluggish

[steady stone]

It's the exact same as dagger basically, meaning dagger does nothing if you have guaranteed crit

[steady stone]

Item synergy and strategy, if I have gas I dash through hordes near the boss, if I have proc I go directly for the boss

He's pretty good for area damage and alright for single so he can do either

[lavish jacinth]

be aggressive and try to group up enemies so that you can get lots of expose procs too, the extra damage and CDR makes a huge difference

[steady stone]

Air stall is easy too, for avoiding damage, instead of iframes

Expose is also big. There's an order you should mash your attacks in, for max efficiency

[lavish jacinth]

learning his tech also helps https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/820804193493057586/imagine_taking_visions_on_merc.mp4?size=4096

[steady stone]

Much of his tech doesn't work at all or the same anymore sadly

[lavish jacinth]

if you dash or m2 right at the start of the 3rd sword swing, the sword hitbox gets carried through the dash instead of being cancelled

[steady stone]

Like bumping and trimping are removed and changed respectively

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure it did last time I played him

m1 extensions still work at least

[steady stone]

Idk about transfer, but his other tech changed with the physics change

[lavish jacinth]

that's possible

but the m1 tech is actually hardcoded, so it's unlikely that they changed it

[blazing garnet]

Bumping and trimping?

[blazing garnet]

What order would that be?

[pulsar nova]

Bumping is still possible

Trimping is a little weirder but not too changed

[steady stone]

Yeah trimping hurts you sometimes now I've heard

But I've also heard that the slam thing just doesn't work with the new physics

Bump, slam, whatever its called

[pulsar nova]

I'm personally garbage at bumping but me and my buddies had a coop run and one of em managed to bump awu

[lavish jacinth]

slam seems more appropriate lol

[pulsar nova]

Same thing

[steady stone]

Maybe just harder then, although I haven't played sots myself

I've only heard people talk about it when the update first dropped

I know a lot of things changed so they dropped a mod to revert the physics relatively fast

[lavish jacinth]

bump/slam is when you dash into a flying enemy in such a way that it gets launched really far and slams into a wall or the ground, usually killing it instantly or dealing a ton of damage
Trimping is using whirlwind into a sloped surface to launch yourself upwards

[steady stone]

Let me find the clip

[lavish jacinth]

fade's guide explains it and has clips https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2632486396

[pulsar nova]

The bible of merc mains

[steady stone]

#ror2-discussion message

[pulsar nova]

Fantastic guide really. I'm sad it wasnt written when I was learning all my merc tech

[steady stone]

Trimping and slamming in one clip

Honestly best way to learn merc tech is just try for yourself

You'll get a good feeling and learn what's right and wrong

Learn how to clip out of like any wall

[pulsar nova]

Wall clipping is silly but rarely practical tragically 😔

[steady stone]

Yeah but there's some spots under the floor in commencement I can use for trimping movement

There's a lot of jank under the center area surface

[lavish jacinth]

usually it's primary to set up expose, dash, then special, with secondary thrown in as needed to stall in the air or just for damage.

that's a very loose rule of thumb though, it depends on the situation. The important thing is that you're using all of your skills often, take advantage of the fact that merc's cooldowns can be practically nonexistent with good expose usage

[dawn kelp]

when do you think were gonna see a balance change update especially for alot of elite enemies, and item reworks and will we get more content added to the dlc to make it more worth the amount spent?

[lavish jacinth]

we don't know

[steady stone]

Kind of in the dark but they're working

[lavish jacinth]

we know there's a big patch in the works, but the devs haven't said anything as far as a release date

[steady stone]

They fixed all the insane game breaking stuff immediately but want everything to work well for the future

[blazing garnet]

What are his best abilities? And what about items?

[lavish jacinth]

all of his abilities are good

[pulsar nova]

Oh fr?? Thats actually so sick

[lavish jacinth]

just try them out and use the ones you like

[pulsar nova]

Generally default loadout is solid, all default and alt special is optimal dps though

Merc is a proc character, so any proc items are good

[lavish jacinth]

you really can't go wrong with merc's loadout

[pulsar nova]

Very true

[lavish jacinth]

focus crystal is also a no-brainer

[steady stone]

Yeah I learned a lot trying for 2 hours to do item less pillar skip

There's a lot of points terrain and trenches in the donut

I was kinda learning about like pausing a trimp but never looked into it

[pulsar nova]

Huh. Interesting. Thank you very much for the advice, Mr. Howard.

[steady stone]

Something with hitting my head on the floor from below during a trimp

Was hoping I would find some like movement storage for new pillar skip lol

[lavish jacinth]

also lets merc apply two stacks of expose at a time which is crazy
the debuff icon doesn't show that it stacks, but you'll be able to hit enemies twice before it gets consumed.

why am I getting plimp reacted, what is the meaning of this

[steady stone]

Was going to explain in a sec

But plimp will instantly proc expose right?

Like slicing winds can have like no cooldown because it instantly lowers on groups with the extra hit or am I crazy

Not it applies expose, it activates it

Might be crazy lol, been a while

[pulsar nova]

I dont remember if plimp procs expose lol

I never use it on merc anyways

[steady stone]

I remember the cooldown on swinds was almost instant but I don't remember what item did it

[lavish jacinth]

plimp doesn't inherit damage types like behemoth does, so it would instantly consume the expose but it wouldn't add any extra

[steady stone]

Yeah, the important part is it instantly lowering cooldowns

Plimp is good for swinds spam iirc

[lavish jacinth]

it's only the last hit of swinds that applies expose, and it can only hit up to 3 enemies at a time. So with plimp + behemoth you'd get up to 6 total exposes, and if you're far enough away you might still have missiles in the air that'll consume the two stacks of expose almost instantly

so yeah, with the right conditions it'd be very spammable

[steady stone]

Even if not 0 cooldown, 2 second or less is a great improvement

Generally a good item to pick up with swinds

[quasi crystal]

Plimp

[robust compass]

how do you enable cheats in the comand console? and how do you spped up game time?

[full apex]

I'm not sure if you can still enable cheats in vanilla... There's a mod that unlocks and upgrades the console called debug toolkit, that's what most are probably using

Time_scale is the speed rate command, fixed_time is the run timer

[robust compass]

thank you vm!

[blazing garnet]

Is it possible to hit both buttons for the fire and ice band on that one desert map solo?

[full apex]

There are a few ways yes

You can roll pots onto them which is the most famous answer, but its very frustrating and 90% of the time i find it not worth the time.

Engi turrets can press the buttons, i think caps beacons can, maybe effigy of grief pillars. I know loaders pylon can but thats VERY annoying to line up since it tries to bounce off the ground and float

But if you really want in you can try getting nearby pots onto the buttons with any character.

Technically you only need to manipulate one button since you can stand on the other normally.

[minor jungle]

you also could use I think

[full apex]

Good idea

I don't remember all the ways anymore, theres a good amount actually. Though many will depend on your circumstances ofc, like having a certain equipment

[minor jungle]

if you have chaos for some reason and any equipment that can be used without specific condition I guess eventually it will work out

[minor jungle]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

caffienator doesn't work, unless they changed it

[hoary sedge]

yeah last time I checked caffeinator doesn't but effigy of grief does

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[minor jungle]

oh really

I thought it would work cuz captain's beacon does works

[steady stone]

lunar coins can press them iirc, theoretically

but yeah effigy does, beacon does, and turrets do

and pot rolling is like much worse nowadays i've heard, so overall probably not

[blazing garnet]

I tried rolling the pots but just trying to push them doesn't seem to do much if anything at all and hitting them just detonates them

[minor jungle]

oh right so if you are lucky enough works too

[full apex]

Yea its annoying lmao

[lavish jacinth]

the pot physics are different from how they used to be, these days pot rolling isn't really worth it unless they're already close to the button or you have an easy way to move them without blowing them up, like railgunner's mines

[tacit summit]

can acrid stuff crit

like blight/poison

[daring cloak]

No theyre debuffs

[tacit summit]

so is scrap

[lavish jacinth]

they can be boosted by multipliers like watch, but they can't proc or crit

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's still good, unless you insist on ONLY dealing damage with poison

you do have other attacks

[tacit summit]

well in situation where i have a scrapper a printer of and a i think ill scrap

[tacit summit]

arent his other attacks low dmg tho

[lavish jacinth]

there are way better things to scrap before lenses lol

[minor jungle]

not really?

[tacit summit]

well for mithrix, you're not exactly hitting him with m1 or landing all the shifts

r has 100% and m2 has 240

[lavish jacinth]

mithrix is an exception

you do get windows where you can attack with your primary but super tanky bosses are when poison is at its strongest anyway

[minor jungle]

ehhh I always playing melee acrid so idk

[lavish jacinth]

for the rest of the run your skills can easily outdamage poison once you start factoring in procs and stuff

[tacit summit]

well im mostly worried about mithrix, i rarely have issues with the rest of the run

[minor jungle]

if you have or you are fine

[tacit summit]

none, plus its umbral mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

there's also equipment

crit still wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the scrap list

[minor jungle]

oh

welp I didn't fought umbral so idk how it will work out

[tacit summit]

have + +

[tacit summit]

i only had 1 so it wouldnt really make much of a difference

[lavish jacinth]

okay, well are you that desperate for 1 extra scrap?

I'm assuming you've already gotten rid of crap like bison steak or knockback fin or whatever

[tacit summit]

well not sure

i mean it wont make much of a difference where i need it to

[lavish jacinth]

I'm just saying, there's really no reason to get rid of it unless you're certain you'll get more use out of the scrap. If you're not railgunner or maybe bandit then lenses are a good item

it's up to you, personally I prefer not to scrap good stuff just because I might get something a little better later lol.

[blazing garnet]

How many desperado stacks would one typically have by the time they start the teleporter as Bandit?

He seems cool and his playstyle is pretty straight forward I think, smoke bomb, run behind, nefarious back shots for crits, desperado finisher

[quasi crystal]

Really depends I tend to have 40 or so the first couple stages but once procs start snowballing it gets harder and harder to properly finish enemies off with it unless you're actively farming

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, 40 is pretty average pre-loop

after that it really depends on your items, you need enough damage to farm effectively but not so much that enemies die to stuff other than your revolver

[quasi crystal]

I was trying to farm on commencement recently but basically everything was getting one shot with the desperado+procs lol

[tacit summit]

is lunar team unused in vanilla?

[quasi crystal]

Remember the escape sequence on the moon where lunar chimeras are fighting reavers

[tacit summit]

oh ok right

true, dk how ii forgor that

[wicked cliff]

how play with someone from xbox when im pc ?

[quasi crystal]

Was prepared to explain that the void team wasn't added until sotv but I'm glad you didn't jump to that conclusion lol

[quasi crystal]

You can't