ror2-game-questions

[frank sluice]

this pathing WILD

[quasi crystal]

its like a speedrunning tech for an old game fr

[uncut wadi]

This will be useful

[quasi crystal]

i genuinely assumed this would be already known lol

[uncut wadi]

I saw it in some race video but forgot which one it was

I always knew there was a no fall damage cancel route

[ornate gust]

Ahhhh

Right yeah i misread, trial of devotion not artifact

[hazy meadow]

Can you play cross platform, I'm on switch and if I tried to join someone's game and the host is on pc would it work or nah?

[daring cloak]

No

[sacred ingot]

hey weird question: is monster spawn rate affected in any way by you moving around the map? like do monsters spawn faster if u keep walking around or smth?

i know it may sound stupid but if i spawn near a bunch of chests i tend to stick around them until i have enough gold

[full apex]

no not really, but theyll speed up over time as the difficulty coefficient rises

[full apex]

this is the best strat

i think you could say that if you are in areas where monsters cant spawn the rates will be lower, but the director that spawns monsters wont waste money it just saves up, so as soon as it can spawn monsters it will (theyll just usally be stronger for that wave)

[sacred ingot]

wym by "areas where monsters cant spawn?"

[full apex]

its not easy to do so usually but some areas in maps are out of bounds of the normal play area, so monsters cant spawn there. technically in cramped areas it might be more likely for them to not find valid spaces to spawn they fit, but there arent really any areas like that where it takes effect

theres almost always something close enough theyll spawn in instead

[final nymph]

i got a question. whats some common ettiquete for multiplayer games?

[full apex]

example is like in rallypoint you can go to this island if you have enough mobility

[sacred ingot]

ohhh makes sense. its more of an anxiety thing really, standing still waiting for monsters to spawn is pretty much the antithesis of ror2, it gets me on edge xd

[full apex]

and its out of bounds with no pathfinding nodes, so monsters wont spawn, and its so far away they cant spawn nearby either

[wide parrot]

if you buy the chest you get the loot unless the purchaser lets you have it
everyone gets one boss item after it dies

[full apex]

there cant be chests there either tho

[full apex]

usually with friends we'll share what items would work best on who, and what builds they are trying for, but idk in public lobbies i dont play in those

maybe coordinating is harder

[final nymph]

is that it? ive noticed in some games that high mobility characters tend to get the most items and I'd like to avoid that

[wide parrot]

without a vc it def is

[full apex]

yea this requires the faster folk to have kindness in their heart and share haha

[slim spoke]

stealing is so common i just let it happen every time i create a public lobby lol

[full apex]

they can just chill out and mark boxes for others or buy them and leave the items behind for them to pick up

[wide parrot]

well generally you try to play with people that know what synergizes so you both can get items for your character

[slim spoke]

yes, and no

[full apex]

if someone picks a fast char and hogs everything the other players fall behind and its just not fun and they cant help much, so the hogger would be better off in single player lol

but theres balance to that of course, just kinda watch peoples item counts and try to keep things even

[slim spoke]

also, why isnt prerun planning more common, it feels off to me

[trim narwhal]

dont u get tp back ?

[full apex]

a lot of the time yea but there are some 'hidden' areas that are allowed

( a lot of them are code locations)

[slim spoke]

just some.

[full apex]

or stuff like the nkuhana cave on wetlands

[slim spoke]

that place is wierd

[trim narwhal]

bunch of newt places would work too no ?

[full apex]

i think aqueduct lem cave is too

[full apex]

probably yea

[trim narwhal]

i never see spawns on the rallypoint peak or the acres newt island

[uncut wadi]

Sometimes the aqueduct lemurian cave bugs out and would start tarring you

[full apex]

as long as loot can never spawn there, its safe from monsters too

[slim spoke]

normally newt altars would spawn in preferably visible spots

[trim narwhal]

or top of rings of plains

[full apex]

probably because its under the area with the tar tendrils haha

[full apex]

most are hidden

[uncut wadi]

It's just a funny thing I noticed, I guess there are certain parts of the area that aren't safeguarded

[slim spoke]

sure do, but not too hidden
usually if such place is regarded as so, they would often have some sort of obstruction

like hard blocks

[trim narwhal]

by hidden do u just mean stage rng ala doors or bridges spawning

if so yea if theyre "inaccessible" i dont think the newt spawns

most of these types of spots are still accessible tho

[full apex]

unfortunately newts dont care about the stage pieces

so they can spawn in inaccessible locations

[slim spoke]

sanctuary has one tucked under the bridges that newer players wouldnt think of

[trim narwhal]

hm when i was testing 0 item accessibility per survivor of inaccessible stage spots

i never saw a newt but maybe i was unlucky

[slim spoke]

you probably have seen one but didnt realize

[full apex]

i think roost closed vault is the most popular example

i suspect scorched hill island would be decent to try a few times

[slim spoke]

chance based newts are criminal

[trim narwhal]

that one everyone can climb over and drop down

[full apex]

no the other side
if im thinking what ur thinking

[trim narwhal]

og roost?

[full apex]

this one maybe

[trim narwhal]

oh new roost

i was thinking of old roost vault

[full apex]

yea yea

[trim narwhal]

new roost vault some characters can go around the gap ez but u can also get top of island and fall down but this needs decent mobility

eg im not sure if acrid can bounce around the side but they can go ceiling iirc

[full apex]

i think i know what ur talk about

[trim narwhal]

or an example im really sure on, captain can diablo to island roof but they cant make it around the gap or idk (?)

[full apex]

diablo is funny

[trim narwhal]

i didnt test if u can get a sick 'diagonal' diablo angle to make it around

i kinda remember u had to banana around but its been years and i didnt keep video evidence

[full apex]

if its in here you might be able to search it if you want

[trim narwhal]

the original roost it was, the locked cave everyone can walk on roof, but for the bridge not spawning, diabloless cap and engi cant make it iirc

dont think i posted videos as often before

didnt care for as much documentation/proof back then but also my computer was way weaker, recording was a pain

[steady stone]

Modded?

Right click > properties > installed files > Verify Integrity Of Game Files

Checks for anything missing

Lunar coins

[steady stone]

This should reset any errors in the game in terms of files though

Use unlock mods in the future if you really want to

It's just save text editing but through a GUI in game

The name might not be exact

But I know the final button name is correct

Like find it in your library > right click > etc

In the long list of games

Steam right?

Oh lol

Yeah there's no helping a pirated version

Steam uses basically presets to reset the game

Comparing your files to the preset

Yeah you would have to manually compare files and such, like what steam does automatically

Which at that point you could work for that time and buy the game lol

Thousands of files and lines

Any one could be broken

[livid wedge]

Probably not a great idea asking for help with a cracked copy on the official discord

[full apex]

classic

[steady stone]

Yeah piracy is already questionable, but you really forfeit all rights to troubleshoot if you don't actually own it

Lied my ass off there "it's basically impossible" lol

[full apex]

i almost feel bad but like

yaknow

they just joined to ask about it too lmao.

[steady stone]

I was wondering how long he would last lol

[daring cloak]

I can go test and get footage if ya still want it

Though I would assume the out of bounds ceiling messes with it

[steady stone]

Strike your diablos for us Wertus 🙏

Out of bounds ceiling is pretty high on roost, it might not

[trim narwhal]

im 100% sure they can get to roof and then drop to island

im not sure if they can get to island by going around

[daring cloak]

Actually

[steady stone]

Like if you tried you could hit the ceiling but if you didn't try you could probably avoid it

[daring cloak]

Imma just put this here for reference and for me to get a base of where stand

[trim narwhal]

i get to roof from a different spot, if u wanted to try it

its from the newt on the ring

[steady stone]

If you angle the diablo on a rock could you angle the launch trajectory?

[daring cloak]

Now the question is

[steady stone]

Like if it lands sideways

[daring cloak]

I dont think so

[trim narwhal]

i presumed diablo would kinda be like railer mines and if ur offcenter u get some horizontal momentum

[steady stone]

Well I know some slants count as valid places for diablo

[daring cloak]

It makes all the sense tbh

[steady stone]

And it can lead to some strange spots to aim it

[daring cloak]

Otherwise youd see enemies caught in it just get sent upwards instead of in all directions

[steady stone]

I'm sure any captain player has seen sideways diablo

[daring cloak]

Ye theyre pretty cool

[daring cloak]

Also can I just say that there are not many things that look prettier to me than to see a firework of corpses from my diablos

[steady stone]

I feel like that lower newt next to the island might be low enough to make the jump without the ceiling

The one newt you have to fall off the map to get back up

[trim narwhal]

thats on the other roost

[steady stone]

Aren't we talking about getting to the island when the bridge isn't there?

That's the same roost

[trim narwhal]

the alt roost island where its locked behind a door

[steady stone]

Oh that one

[daring cloak]

Yup just did it rn

[trim narwhal]

captain can do it for sure ive tested it i was just saying

[steady stone]

We could experiment with the new physics to try to hit our head on a slant

Lots of pillars on that one

[trim narwhal]

theres 2 methods usually, fly around from the side, or use vertical mobility to get to the roof then walk over

captain does 2nd for sure, idk about 1, didnt try any angles

[daring cloak]

I mean

[trim narwhal]

that ones og roost, ya that one locked cave actually default cap/engi can make it, theres footholds to climb over

the bridgeless island in og roost default cap/engi cant scale to roof to get there or at least i havent found a spot. it isnt super high reqs the best spot i found, like mult shift is enough mobility but

[daring cloak]

CAN I ROLL ALT ROOST DAMMIT

Ok im disabling the dlcs

Ok bro

Plains 4 times in a row

[peak jacinth]

the pain of testing things as a console player

[daring cloak]

Oh my lard finally

[full apex]

i love resetting

[daring cloak]

After 5 plains the alt roost variant

[wide parrot]

I have 52 games of miner in rorr cause of restarting for one challenge. To this day he remains my top played

[daring cloak]

Yeah that island looks pretty impossible to diablo to

Ill still try

Ok I heavily doubt you can diablo around the landmass without items but you sure can diablo on top of it and then walk over to the other side

Oof barely didnt get it

GOT IT

But also barely

Takes a lot of precision

[late relic]

what all does modding add to the game?

[full apex]

depends on how hard you go

short answer, potentially a lot

[late relic]

how hard is it to mod?

[full apex]

very easy, thanks to r2modman

it has a browser for you, handles installing dependencies, and lets you launch modded or vanilla from its gui

[late relic]

whats the ink id like to check out what it has

[full apex]

it looks something like this

i think the link is on thunderstore lemme check

yea its right on the front page
https://thunderstore.io/

[late relic]

thank

[steady stone]

It's similar to the Steam Workshop if you've ever used that

Except easier to manage, and with profiles

[late relic]

i cant say i have in the browser i just look up ror2 and find the mods i like?

[steady stone]

If you only use thunderstorm for ror2 you can set it as default and auto launch that game manager

Basically each game has a category for their own mods

[late relic]

i only have the base game

friend bought it for me

[steady stone]

That would be fine as long as the mod doesn't use the DLC

[full apex]

thats ok yea

[daring cloak]

These are the 2 methods I was able to get (in the first one you can also see how I use pings to set up very precise launch directions though I still eyeball the angle)

[late relic]

there a way to filter it?

[steady stone]

Generally adding content will always work

But if you get like "safer spaces overhaul" it obviously wont

[full apex]

once you have r2modman you just pick ror2, make a profile that will store what mods you install, and then in the online tab you can sort by downloads or date or whatever, or search for specific things

you only get a lil blurb description in the app but theres an option to open the full entry on the website

[steady stone]

Even "more void items" should theoretically work without sotv

You technically have all the data in the game too so it shouldn't fatally crash if you overhaul a void item

Hence why only the host needs dlc to use it in multiplayer

[late relic]

okay anyway to unlock the different players faster?

[steady stone]

Cheat mods

[late relic]

like any tips dont really wanna cheat that

[steady stone]

RealerCheatUnlocks I think, to unlock certain things

Oh tips? Just read the logbooks and unlock requirements, and just have fun

Main objective is just play, unlocking is a side objective

Once you stop passively unlocking stuff go hunting

Probably 250 hours for a casual 100%

Including logbooks and such

[late relic]

damn lmao didnt know it was that expansive lol

[steady stone]

Like all DLC all logbooks, 250

Just unlocks I give it maybe 70

[late relic]

wow

i can make a post to have people help and show how to do it right?

[steady stone]

We'll be here for questions

Normally like me, fax, or charmlie

[agile crystal]

depends on who you want

[late relic]

who would be the stongest? i have muli-t and if i get the attack speed buff i can lay some damage but idk if hes like the best i gues lol

[steady stone]

All characters are good but loader is the "best"

[late relic]

whats his unlock?

[agile crystal]

you get her by beating a secret boss in sirens call

[steady stone]

Yeah

[agile crystal]

E

[steady stone]

Siren's call is a stage 4, the boss has a secret way to summon

[steady stone]

Spoilers!

[pure dawn]

egg

[agile crystal]

bloody hell

[steady stone]

Gotta let em explore lol

[daring cloak]

Tbh loader is only the best once you get a good grip of her and the game in general

[pure dawn]

🤡 🫵

[agile crystal]

can we give that guy a good ol smack in the head

[daring cloak]

And even then not by much

The best for a learning player is the survivor they're the most comfortable with

[late relic]

what do the eggs look like?

[steady stone]

Huntress is good for learning because they're kind of average but the autoaim let's you focus on movement

[daring cloak]

Eggs

[steady stone]

Blue clusters in nests

[daring cloak]

But a bit bigger

[steady stone]

Vulture egg sized

[late relic]

and its on the 4th teleport?

[steady stone]

One of the stage 4s

There's 3

[late relic]

oof how do i know if i have the right one

[steady stone]

It will say when you first get there, in text

You want Siren's Call

[late relic]

okay

[steady stone]

The other two are Abyssal Planes and Sundered Grove

[late relic]

okay and it will say it in the chat box like entering siren's call

[steady stone]

If you have lunar coins you can choose the stage

[late relic]

i have a few

[steady stone]

Fading text like center of your screen

[late relic]

okay

well i guess back to the grind lmao

[pure dawn]

🥚

[late relic]

got it will reset untill i hit the egg ol

[steady stone]

There's a lot of eggs btw, all have a random chance to spawn in their places

Like set spawns but won't always spawn

[daring cloak]

Speaking of that text

I noticed it would reappear every time I dock and undock my switch

I could literally fight mithrix and the game would say "ah yes this my friend is commencement"

[steady stone]

You temporary go to the place between time during docking

Then you go back

[late relic]

so get in to the relm the look for eggs all over the map?

[steady stone]

Yeah, and I can link the wiki page with locations if needed

Or someone else, if I'm not here by them

[late relic]

naa all good i clean the map lmao

[steady stone]

Or I can MSPaint a bad map using my embarrassingly accurate memory of this game

[late relic]

nvm i have her lol must have got her in a random lobby i joined

[late relic]

nothing wrong with knowing all maps

so shes a mele primary?

[steady stone]

she has shift big punch that scales with speed

and can build up speed with grapple

also her movement is crazy

[late relic]

okay imma try her out

oh one more question

[steady stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/943509112258428958/1271283447981150291/Risk_of_Rain_2_07-19-2024_18-27-7-448.mp4?ex=671a4fb9&is=6718fe39&hm=6698f1c8458c51e4801683f5a1d8969215e17ee5aa64da7c4eb30edb445639bf&

[late relic]

and the fact that she has no call damage is a dub

[steady stone]

no fall damage includes falling off the map btw

[late relic]

artifacts how do you acuire them?

[steady stone]

stage 5 secret area

[late relic]

finaly saved

[steady stone]

each, or almost every at least, stage has a hidden code

the hidden teleporter is almost like a combination lock

🔴 🔴 🔴
🔴 🔴 🔴
🔴 🔴 🔴

3x3 with like 4 shapes per slot

[late relic]

and how do you find the combo?

[steady stone]

hidden on like every single stage

on like stone tablets or slates

that or the wiki cheat sheet

[late relic]

okay so i need to pay tf attention

[lavish jacinth]

there's one tablet right next to the machine as an example, the rest are mostly on similar tablets

[daring cloak]

And look in hard to reach or easily missable spots

[full apex]

a few are kinda cheeky haha

[daring cloak]

Some are easier to find than others

[steady stone]

the twitter artifact

[daring cloak]

I think I found the kin code in my very first run

[lavish jacinth]

you can also just look them up online if you don't feel like doing the scavenger hunt, you don't actually need to find the tablet as long as you know the code

[full apex]

theres a page with tips on the wiki, that wont outright tell you where they are but if you absolutely cant figure it out you can check those if you want

[late relic]

okay and they spawn in every world leading to 5?

[daring cloak]

They added it and its in a baby easy location now

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifact_Hints wiki hint guide

[steady stone]

normal stages and secret ones

[lavish jacinth]

none of the dlc stages have them though

[steady stone]

he doesn't have DLC, so perfect

[lavish jacinth]

ah

[late relic]

even better lmao

[steady stone]

two of the new ones actually aren't on stages but hidden elsewhere

one was on youtube and i can just give you that one lmao

[lavish jacinth]

nah, pretty sure they exist in the game now

[daring cloak]

They added it and its in a baby easy location now

I said this like a minute ago

[steady stone]

well the one was ||in the logbook|| but wasnt the other one just on youtube?

[daring cloak]

I mean delusion

Devotion was pretty clearly accidentally left out

[steady stone]

yeah the one was supposed to be in but was posted on twitter for the error

[daring cloak]

No that was devotion

[steady stone]

but they never added the youtube one right?

[daring cloak]

Delusion was the yt one

[steady stone]

oh they did add that one, where? ||in spoilers||

[daring cloak]

And its now hidden || under the ceiling of that of that broken down house in the cave of verdant||

[steady stone]

oh yeah, that place was always useless other than newt

[daring cloak]

So now every artifact (except for rebirth which isnt like the others) has a code in game

[steady stone]

what was rebirth?

i used the cheatsheat lmao

[full apex]

rebirth is more a bonus than an artifact

[steady stone]

if it isnt obvious

[full apex]

that was just the way they implemented it - which makes sense

rebirth is the shrine after FS

[steady stone]

is that the sots arti that lets you take an item?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[steady stone]

i forgot sots added artifacts tbh

[lavish jacinth]

it only added the one

and yeah it doesn't even really work like a normal artifact, it's more like a reward for beating the boss

[daring cloak]

And rebirthing

I missed out on it on my first successful attempt because I didnt notice you were able to use the shrine again instead of the portal

[full apex]

i wish you could choose to do nothing with the shrine but still end

sometimes i am fine ending at FS but dont wanna overwrite my funny rebirth item

[late relic]

can you kill the monster in the blue portal?

[full apex]

the newt?

[late relic]

ye

[full apex]

its possible, but they are very tanky

[late relic]

what do they drop?

[daring cloak]

Nothing

[full apex]

and if you dont kill them fast enough, they will lock you out lol, and you wont be able to return until you take a different blue portal later

its just a funny

[daring cloak]

The newt isnt intended to be killed

You can but theres nothing special when it happens

The bazaar still functions as normal

[late relic]

ah okay

[daring cloak]

Also

A while back I had a run where I picked up eulogy

And at some point it corrupted the red soup

And I kid you not every subsequent bazaar visit had that soup corrupted

So is that permanent or was I just really unlucky?

[late relic]

there is something to pay 10 coins for what does that do

[daring cloak]

Thats artificer

You unlock her by paying those coins

[late relic]

she worth?

[daring cloak]

Definitely

[late relic]

alright gonna have to save

[eternal storm]

Can you get loader’s thunderdome achievement by just killing your teammates if they’re loader with chaos on (in bulwarks Ambry still)

[daring cloak]

Yes

[eternal storm]

Oh that’s cool

[daring cloak]

Though I recommend doing it with goobo instead of others

[eternal storm]

Oh I didn’t know it would work with goobo clones too

[daring cloak]

Easier to "convince" to do it with

[eternal storm]

Yeah that makes sense

[daring cloak]

Technically theyre all just the loader entity but with visual additions and stat tweaks

[eternal storm]

oh ok

[full apex]

You can also chaos yourself if you have dios

[errant ibex]

Is growth nectar good?

[lavish jacinth]

if you have enough buffs to keep it working consistently then it's okay, but if not then it's useless. Pretty much the same as death mark

keeping it going is also pretty finicky since it only activates when your number of buffs changes, so it can still run out even if you have 5 buffs constantly active

[daring cloak]

Are you sure about that?

[lavish jacinth]

seems like it

[minor jungle]

yeah it's works like that

[daring cloak]

Definitely never felt like that for me

[lavish jacinth]

might be worth testing on consoles

[errant ibex]

If only it was as easy as on pc 😔

To test

[daring cloak]

I mean

Pc has console commands

I as a console player
Have command, the bazaar soups and my own luck

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, rip

[daring cloak]

It works fine its just pretty slow

Which were the buffs that nectar didnt care about again?

[full apex]

Nectars ordering in recalculatestats is janky as hell, so the only way to get the stat boosts is to have 5 buffs, get nectar, and then recalculate your stats somehow while you have the buff

[lavish jacinth]

I know it didn't work with safer spaces and band cooldowns, there might be more though

[full apex]

The easiest way to do that is probably toggling sprint

[lavish jacinth]

*or more accurately the buff that shows when they're not on cooldown

[daring cloak]

I have for the first time now seen a healing core get pushed around because a gunner turret shot it

[lavish jacinth]

on a semi-related note, has anyone been keeping track of version specific bugs? I actually haven't heard of any but I've been a little out of the loop on some stuff

[errant ibex]

Insane wungus synergy if true

[trim narwhal]

console acrid is still bugged to take falldmg on leap sometimes (or all?) i think

[daring cloak]

THATS NOT ON PC?

[trim narwhal]

nah we've been good for weeks

[daring cloak]

also various collision stuff

These fucking trees still let projectiles n stuff phase through em on switch specifically

Objects with this behaviour have been reported on all versions of the game but the affected objects vary

[lavish jacinth]

funky

but overall it's sounding like they actually did a mostly decent job with parity this time, at least compared to how things used to be

[daring cloak]

And yes

Nectar is currently permanent for me

[errant ibex]

Don't you just hate when rng decides you can't have fun

Just died to a firing squad of minigunners, 3 of them being void

There was like 7

[livid wedge]

I still like that there are trees on other versions that aren't on the switch

Like the one that the newt altar can hide behind on rallypoint delta

[errant ibex]

Honestly the switches hardware needs that lol

[livid wedge]

I know

It's just funny when I swap between versions

[daring cloak]

I am in the bazaar with echo transmitter lantern nectar, solitude
And I am affected by the nectar, echo, solitude and transmitter buffs

Standing completely still

Moving doesnt change anything with the nectar buff either

[lavish jacinth]

interesting

[daring cloak]

Its just not going away

This is one of those times where I want to pry open my ror2 and look at the code differences

[vapid swan]

Anyone know what three maps this site is missing? Or just have a more complete list? https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Environments

trying to clean up my logbook and finish everything off

[daring cloak]

You probably mean the bulwarks ambry variants

Each one has its own (currently unobtainable) log entry

Actually

I can hear whats going on with my nectar

It keeps reapplying itself

That one weird audio effect in the clip that plays every 5-6 seconds vanishes once I leave the warbanner zone

And with it lose nectar

Yes the same things happen with the rachis

[lavish jacinth]

strange

[daring cloak]

Gopus too

[lavish jacinth]

I seem to remember it not happening on PC, but I'll have to remember to test it again later just to be sure

[vapid swan]

So I just can’t complete my logbook then? 😔

[daring cloak]

Yes

Until they patch it

[errant ibex]

Should I scrap my 3 elixirs for mocha's?

I have 1 watch

[marble osprey]

What character? But probably yeah movement is v important

[errant ibex]

Huntress, single dash

[marble osprey]

Depends on other items but yeah being able to avoid getting hit > healing after getting hit

[errant ibex]

Kk

[lavish jacinth]

yea if you have anything else scrapworthy I'd start with that

elixirs are nice to have as a backup and to protect watches, but you can live without them if you're able to dodge

[errant ibex]

Already scrapped a lantern

But I'm going to the next stage, 5 mochas in hand

[errant ibex]

Make that 6

Gasoline printer with scrapper next stage

My luck

[rancid jewel]

what items should i prioritize with rex

[dire escarp]

Hi guys! I'm going to buy ror2 on Nintendo Switch, it's 75% off right now. Just wondering, does NS version support gyro aiming?

[errant ibex]

Which do I take? Huntress

[ornate turtle]

I'm a big fan of de laser

[daring cloak]

Id say soulbound

Opens up a good amount of synergies

[errant ibex]

Ok

[ornate turtle]

Oh right scope is one of the only crit items that doesn't boost crit chance

[lavish jacinth]

it's THE only crit item that doesn't give crit chance

and also it kinda sucks if you're not railgunner or bandit

[lavish jacinth]

are the two big ones, but otherwise proc items and damage multipliers are the go-to, like with most survivors.
You can more or less skip healing items (although can be handy) since rex has tons of it already, and focus on damage and speed. Also avoid stuff that loses its effect when you take damage like shields and opal

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-discussion can probably answer this if nobody here does

(I have no idea myself, lol)

[daring cloak]

Yes nintendo switch has gyro

The settings are pretty flexible too

You can set it to specifically turn on and off for some specific cases, those being disabling it while dashing and not disabling it while sprinting specifically with merc or huntress iirc

[dawn meadow]

Does Rejuvenation Rack affect regeneration? (like and and base regen?)

Or does it only affect strictly healing?

[full apex]

Yea it does

Rejuv rack is special, it affects all positive health changes, not just green number healing like aegis/nkuhanas/corpsebloom

So like if you get a max health up, it will heal for twice as much haha. Like normally if you gain 10 max hp, you heal for 10 so its full, but rack will make it +10 max and heal 20 which is funny

The eclipse healing down is the same, it affects everything

[dawn meadow]

Oh huh. That's so fascinating!

But Corpsebloom only affects healing healing?

[full apex]

There's a kinda silly byproduct of that with corpsebloom actually. Corpsebloom only affects green number healing, but rack does too
So rack doubles the healing to 2x, then corpsebloom doubles it and stores 4x, but then when bloom heals it back over time rack doubles every tick so you end up getting 8x the healing lol

[dawn meadow]

Oh wild lmao

Thanks!

[queen otter]

Does the game have something like an enemy limit? i ask cuz i was at stage 46 in an artifact reliquary and they stopped spawning

And i got softlocked, sad

[full apex]

40 enemies at a time yes, but that doesn't stop them from spawning altogether

If nothing is spawning, thats definitely a problem... But its been known to happen deep enough into a run that the numbers internally are getting too large.

At stage 46 I'm not really surprised, thats gotta be hours of runtime

[queen otter]

So they just stop spawning and i can't do anything to make them spawn?

[full apex]

If nothing is spawning at all for an extended period of time, then something might have broken...

I wouldn't hold my breath for it to solve itself, especially if you're in a place where you cant alter the difficulty coefficient since no stage change and no time changes...

[quasi crystal]

how does shaped glass interact with the glass artifact

[full apex]

There's a value for your curse that your health is divided by, they both add to that

For example if its 2 then 1/2 is half hp

[quasi crystal]

@twilit nest wanted to know how the buff interacts (you should ask here ror2 discussion isnt really a good place)

[full apex]

Ooh the damage

I think they should multiply each other, lemme see if i can check really quickly

Yea artifact comes after item is applied and multiplies it

So if ur at 2x you'll be 10x, and 4x to 20x etc

[twilit nest]

Interesting

[twilit nest]

Blehhhh >:p
(thank you)

[dire escarp]

@full apex thanks 😊

[analog brook]

Would this make you deal more damage when you reach right before the floating point for minimum hp or less?

[quasi crystal]

I could test it, what's the lethal stack? 128?

[lavish jacinth]

128 is the lethal amount for shaped glass by itself, it's a bit lower if you combine with artifact of glass but I forget how many

[glacial knoll]

121 glass with artifact kills you

127 glass is a lot more damage than 120 + artifact

[ornate gust]

How many desparado stacks would you need to one shot mithrix

If you went there before loop

[quasi crystal]

his level is pretty fluctuating

[marble osprey]

It's variable bc you gain damage based on your level, and he gains health based on the enemies level, so depending on how long you take and how much XP you get it'll change

[ornate gust]

Hmmmmm I see

Would 100 be a solid amount to go for?

[quasi crystal]

100 will not one shot him

[marble osprey]

That probably won't do it (without any other items) if I had to guess but I can run some quick calcs

[ornate gust]

I see

[marble osprey]

If you're at level 20 and he's at level 99(which he probably will be by the time you get this many stacks), with no other items you'd need 1014 stacks to one-shot phase 1/3 and 1423 stacks to one-shot phase 4 (assuming I understand how desperado stacks correctly and the wiki has accurate info)
This is with no items though, even a few crowbars/watches would decrease it a lot

[steady stone]

is that just counting health or also special scaling and adaptive armor?

the "health" equation isn't very accurate

[marble osprey]

Health and base armor, as I understand it adaptive armor is applied after getting hit so it affects follow-up hits, so it wouldn't affect one single hit

[steady stone]

oh yeah, i think so

something exists with special scaling though too

so lvl 99 isn't the health cap for him

hence why special "bosses" health can overflow the int limit, like AwU

i dont actually know the name of the scaling thing though

oh nvm
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty#Unique_scaling

special bosses being AwU, Mithrix, Voidling, FS, Aure, and the twisted scavs

[marble osprey]

Ah gotcha
I didn't know about that but it makes sense

Ok more math time

[steady stone]

determined

i could never do that 5am math grind

[glacial knoll]

and void infestor

[steady stone]

oh that one isnt listed on the wiki but i remember them having a lot of HP

i remember doing 13mil DPS to them and them not dying for 15 seconds straight

[marble osprey]

Ok so assuming I did that right that would put Mithrix at 440115 health when you hit enemy level 99 (which I'm still gonna use as an arbitrary benchmark bc I need to choose something) which would mean you need 14,661 desperado stacks
I might load up debug toolkit and mess around a bit to verify but I do have work tomorrow so uh I also might not do that

[marble osprey]

Ok so it looks like fourth phase Mithrix does not have the same special scaling, which makes sense bc he is definitely not tankier than phase 1/3 Mithrix
But apart from that the math seems about right

equation to one-shot mithrix should be this, where c is the difficulty coefficient, l is player level, and s is number of desperado stacks, if anyone was curious lol

[analog brook]

You're just doing God's work in your spare time huh. Are you a wiki contributor? You seem like a wiki contributor, I say this with immense respect for you so don't take this the wrong way but no normal person would do this

[marble osprey]

I am a math tutor who currently cannot fall asleep

But thanks lmao

[analog brook]

Oh shit that's awesome actually

[ornate gust]

Woah

Damn lmao, bro did the maths

[agile crystal]

its a game about a silly spaceman they said

[peak jacinth]

I don’t think this takes into account adaptive armour

unless mithrix doesn’t have that in p4 or im misunderstanding how it works

[steady stone]

Mithrix doesn't have adaptive in p4 iirc

Also adaptive armor is armor after getting hit right?

Basically nerfing like

[peak jacinth]

I thought it was applied to the hit itself since it’s meant to prevent big bursts of damage

but I could be totally wrong on that so just ignore me :D

[steady stone]

I could be wrong too lol

I skimmed the wiki at like 5am talking about this

[peak jacinth]

my brain has been fried from this week so you might have an edge tbh

[old badger]

hello , anyone wanna play together?

[marble osprey]

He doesn't in p4, but these calcs are for p1/3 since his health is much higher in those stages. And as I understand it, it is just after the hit, both because these numbers seemed to be right when I was testing and him having 400 more armor than I was expecting definitely would've thrown it off, and because the amount of armor gained is based on the damage taken

[peak jacinth]

Makes sense to me! I’ll trust the math tutor

[steady stone]

#lfg-pc-ror2

or the other console chats, respectively

[quasi crystal]

Does armor affect seed barrage and bramble volley

[glacial knoll]

yea

[quasi crystal]

But not special right

[glacial knoll]

yea

idk why that one tagged as bypassarmor but it be

[full apex]

I tried it last night and it was 125 instead of 128 with the artifact on

[glacial knoll]

maybe you had more health idk why it'd be different

[full apex]

It was just base commando so 110

[frail crane]

Is there a way to know if an enviorment has a scanner or a logbook entry for the logbook?

[daring cloak]

All environments have one

[glacial knoll]

hidden and final stages are a book in the world

[daring cloak]

Oooooooh I misread that

[frail crane]

So for the non-final/hidden levels I just need to look untill I find a scanner?

[glacial knoll]

disturbed impacts bugged rn every other stage yeah

[daring cloak]

Wait whats with impact

[frail crane]

Disturbed impact?

[full apex]

The new stage 1 from sots

[glacial knoll]

the wrong spawn pool number 27

[full apex]

It uses the plains table or something lol

So if you have the plains log unlocked it won't spawn a scanner

[frail crane]

oooh. So that one can't be found?

[daring cloak]

WOWWWWWWW

ok guess I have an incentive to play with new players then

[full apex]

I learned that one from wolfo lol

[daring cloak]

And drag em to impact

[frail crane]

Might be a solution there

[full apex]

There's a few funny interactable bugs, like in one of the tables they put csc for a few drones instead of isc, so they cant be cast to a card and therefore cant spawn rn

[daring cloak]

So I can add impact as almost unobtainable (and pretty much unobtainable since Im gonna have to find a newbie for switch ffs)

[glacial knoll]

i'm taking overgrown printers spawning stage 1 on shattered abodes as evidence it wasn't a stage 1 on day 1

[frail crane]

I was looking on the wiki for the Helminth Hatchery logbook, but there was nothing about it. Since final stages has logbooks is there one somewhere there?

[glacial knoll]

that's not a final stage that's just a stage 5

[full apex]

Yea thats the other funny, its the right weight but no cleared req which is funny. I assumed it was just a bug but maybe it does imply they used to be shifted

[frail crane]

ooooh!

[full apex]

I suppose i wouldn't be surprised if it was originally stage 2 and Meridian was 5

[glacial knoll]

it's kind of weird that only stage 1s don't allow overgrown printers on stage 1 but not like random stage order exists in the vanilla game

[full apex]

Basically, most of the time, if it doesn't spawn chests and stuff itself then it has a logbook somewhere instead.

Though its not perfect, the artifact ambry spawns chests and has a book, but thats smol. The other exception is void fields, but void fields when it was released didn't spawn any loot so

[full apex]

Also im pretty sure its just for looping purposes

Any req from 1 to 4 or what ever are functionally the same but 1 is the smallest so least collateral risk i guess idk

[glacial knoll]

nah it's just like laziness but like no one should ever care about it anyways

I am the only person

it's the same with like disturbed impact not having like idk a minimum stage requirement for void reavers or whatever

like why bother setting it would never matter in the normal game. Only mods would run into issues with it

[full apex]

Right

I see what you mean

[frail crane]

This is probably weird and and annoying, but I have to ask. Do you also make mods @glacial knoll

[glacial knoll]

yeah

[frail crane]

Did you make: Loop Variants, QoL, Aegis Barier removal? I know there is more, but those are my favourites

[glacial knoll]

yeea

[frail crane]

That is awesome. I'm super stoked I got to chat with you! I really want to thank you for your work. Your mods have made able to enjoy the game to a way greater degree than without. It really matters. Again, thanks

[glacial knoll]

that's cool ty

[tall wing]

hi👋🏻 , how can I kill 3 loader ?

[frail crane]

you gotta go to the Bulwark

And chose... I think it's vengance?

[tall wing]

chose? The combination for the portal?

[quasi crystal]

Another way definitely less practical but much easier is killing 3 friends who are playing as loader with chaos enabled during any trial

[frail crane]

It is!
🔷🟦 🟦
🔷🔵 🟦
🔷🟦 🟦

[tall wing]

thx ❤️

[tall wing]

chaos?

[full apex]

dios works if no friends
i think goobo too lol

but doing it the normal way is more practical i think

[quasi crystal]

That's funny

[frail crane]

Bingo!

[quasi crystal]

I did say less practical just funnier and easier since you can do it faster if you can set it up

[frail crane]

I could never kill Gobo -- a true friend, ally and the love of my life

[quasi crystal]

Until it gets void touched

Unless you're a robot ofc

[tall wing]

and just an another question why I don't deal any damage with the mercenary?

[quasi crystal]

Unless that robot is chef

[lavish jacinth]

merc takes some practice, you really have to utilize expose for extra damage and to keep your cooldowns short

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2632486396

[quasi crystal]

Yeah Merc isn't a beginner survivor, they really should have made unlocking him a little harder

[daring cloak]

I mean

Getting to stage 8 isnt exactly easy

[lavish jacinth]

back in the day, merc's unlock was the equivalent of beating the game

[quasi crystal]

It is on drizzle considering I got him the day I installed

[daring cloak]

Well thats just a drizzle issue

[quasi crystal]

Yuh you're right but I mean it could have been obliterate on monsoon lol

[lavish jacinth]

I guess it still is, but before mithrix it was the only victory condition, so by that standard he was basically an endgame survivor lol

[quasi crystal]

Unless difficulty wasn't a thing on ea

[lavish jacinth]

he was also easier to play before 1.0

[quasi crystal]

How so

[lavish jacinth]

expose didn't exist, you basically just held m1 and spammed skills off cooldown

[quasi crystal]

Oh I thought he was nerfed lol

[quasi crystal]

That's true but my point stands I'm sure new players are picking drizzle and drizzle is really easy to beat though maybe the game was much harder in ea I wasn't there obviously

[quasi crystal]

Ok so just reworked then
Do you agree with the highest skill cap comment lol

[tender temple]

and as the image says he had much higher regen

which was a completely different experience

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it was a nerf to his old skillspam playstyle but an overall buff if you could play him well

definitely not the highest skill cap though, I'd give that to loader just for her movement

[quasi crystal]

I would say skill floor unless I'm forgetting someone

[quasi crystal]

This is so true it took me minutes to learn her movement but I can't do the crazy shit speedrunners pull off

[fresh umbra]

Is it possible to die and lose a run when the screen starts fading to white after charging the escape ship?

[lavish jacinth]

uhh probably

You'd practically have to be trying to die at that point though

[quasi crystal]

I have died during the white fade but it was In coop (I rolled into a reaver intending to die); the results screen still counted as a loss but I also got the mastery for chef

[fresh umbra]

interesting

[rancid jewel]

is knurl good with viend or is it a scrap like it always is?

[daring cloak]

I mean

Its rarely ever a scrap

Its really bad but yellow printers are extremely rare

[lavish jacinth]

^

[daring cloak]

So most often than not you would still want the small benefits of knurl over nothijg

[rancid jewel]

im still gonna scrap because what if a churf

[lavish jacinth]

and viend has way better options for healing, even in corrupt form

[left trellis]

you're hoping for a miracle

[lavish jacinth]

the odds of knurl being significantly useful are also pretty low, so

[daring cloak]

I mean the regen can help

[tacit summit]

when does halcyonite shrine with golden orb spawn

[daring cloak]

Chance based

The golden shrine is just a random rare interactable

[tacit summit]

oh ok

[tacit summit]

what if i never used green portal

[daring cloak]

Then it will only have a gold portal on helminth hatchery

[tacit summit]

welp

[daring cloak]

That is a mod

[tacit summit]

very unlikely but maybe

[daring cloak]

Also yes it would also be a gold orb if it was on a stage 4 because there is no alt stage 5

But due to coding errors the shrine cant spawn on any stage 4

[tacit summit]

oh so prob a mod that allows it tospawn then

[lavish jacinth]

they have modded items

[daring cloak]

Any non sots stage past stage 2 doesnt have any sots interactables actually

[quasi crystal]

do ghosts inherit monster items (evo/vields)

[tacit summit]

yes

if you kill your turrets as engi with chaos and have a lot of bungus and 1 mask you get infinite turrets

[winter barn]

Guys what color is mithrix’s cloth

Is like a deep blue or is it a brown

[livid wedge]

Yes, up until the ally limit

[lavish jacinth]

dark blue

[winter barn]

Ty

[winter barn]

Oh my god thank you so much for that

[tacit summit]

do blinking light on verdant falls mean anything

[daring cloak]

No

[tacit summit]

huh

[winter barn]

Morse code for secret Easter egg

[lavish jacinth]

the ones on siren's call are an easter egg

[winter barn]

Oh wait mb

Yeah was gonna say

[tacit summit]

the "updog"

i wonder what's updog

[winter barn]

What’s updog anyway

[quasi crystal]

not much how bout you

[winter barn]

[quasi crystal]

[tacit summit]

does the gold convert instantly via solitude or is there grace time to donate it to halcyonite shrine

[livid wedge]

Instant

You can't do the shrine with LS

[tacit summit]

wait going to gold shores at st4 makes you skip st5??

[left trellis]

no...? it shouldn't

[peak jacinth]

the stage count increases when you go through any of the portals, it just won’t increase again after if that’s what got you confused

[tacit summit]

no i went to distant roost

idk very weird

[peak jacinth]

you’re sure you were on stage 4 before..?

[tacit summit]

i was on sirens call

[quasi crystal]

do explosions explode with brilliant behemoth?

[peak jacinth]

it depends, if the explosion has a proc coefficient ( ) then yes, if it doesn’t ( ) then no

[lavish jacinth]

and if it does have a coeff then it'll produce an explosion for every enemy hit by it

[copper pivot]

Does anyone else think that after the update reds seem to be more common? Like not even the halcyonite beacons, but from chests in general? Or is it just me haha

[tacit summit]

just you being lucky

[twilit nest]

So... how do i bandit

Preferred kit shotgun dagger desperado, right?

Which items should i be on the lookout for

[daring cloak]

Shiv is better imo

The aoe of dagger is tiny

shiv has decent range as is but it has quite incredible range if youre able to arch it

[lavish jacinth]

use cloak to get behind enemies, unload shotgun into their back, finish them with revolver and if they survive, knife them and run away, and repeat.

He's pretty flexible with items, depending on what you get you'll probably end up building around your primary for procs or your special for burst, Either way procs and multipliers are your friends as always

either primary, alt secondary, desperado is the loadout you'll probably want, unless you just really like using lights out

try to farm desperado kills whenever you can, lysate cell is great for that if you happen to get one

[twilit nest]

Is the aoe from the invis or the knife good enough to get out of trouble, say, when theres about 30 lesser wisps that you accidentally bounced up to and theyre relatively tightly packed

I ask for no particular reason

[lavish jacinth]

the cloak is great for dealing with weak trash mobs like wisps

the knife, not so much

the knife hitbox is really tiny

[quasi crystal]

knife hitbox now scales with levle

[lavish jacinth]

wat

[quasi crystal]

yea

[lavish jacinth]

this update has had so much dumb stuff that I'd almost believe that
do you have pics?

[quasi crystal]

nop

[lavish jacinth]

Doesn't sound likely lol

[quasi crystal]

Can the sots enemies spawn in vields? Have yet to see them

[left trellis]

I think the devs forgot to add them to the pool

A mod exists that adds them (along with several other enemy types): https://thunderstore.io/package/Phreel/MoreVieldsOptions/

[quasi crystal]

id rather keep them off ty tho

[tender temple]

child in vields nooo thank you

[frail crane]

Hey, I assume this is normal, but figured it's worth asking: Does everyone get lag so bad it gets unplayable when looping enough (getting a lot of items; particularly boomerang and missiles, etc.)? If it is normal, is there a fix? I usually have to turn down my settings to minimum and sell most of my AOE stuff

[steady stone]

it's just how strong your computer is

things like or in particular can be pretty harsh with enough since they spawn a bunch of things and each have their unique ai

[frail crane]

I have a decent computer, but I guess everything has its breaking point. Anyway to turn these effects off or something like that?

[steady stone]

they aren't really effects

imagine like each atg is a temporary enemy, with enough it just simulates too much to handle

besides your graphics settings there isn't much to it

[frail crane]

Is it basically like overloading a calculator that is the problem?

[steady stone]

yeah but your computer is the calculator

if you have a good computer you can loop basically as long as you want with certain items

like i've gone to stage 60+, but crashed at like 20 before with 60

[frail crane]

Which items would you avoid if you want to loop as long as possible? (I'm trying to find the radar scanners for each stage)

[steady stone]

generally proc items that summon

like is proc but just gives them an effect, and summon projectiles

things like is just a quick strike so it can be fine unless you proc it like 25 times at once every few ticks

[frail crane]

Okay, I see. Thanks a bunch for helping out, especially so quickly

[steady stone]

i live here

[frail crane]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[steady stone]

#roles for any embeds, but they also dont work in #ror2-discussion

[frail crane]

You'll have to imagine giga chad for me

[azure crag]

I am just imagining myself

[compact vale]

is there any tips for beating the current trial? i watched the video and tried to do what he does but just cant, and the furthest i get is starting the teleporter on stage one but something always ends up doing any damage to me at all and makes me have to restart for the 100th time

[peak jacinth]

#prismatic-trials might be a better place to ask

[trim narwhal]

u can wait for an easier week

[fair terrace]

im at the end how do i get to mithrix?

[agile crystal]

the moon?

well charge the pillars around the moon, their beacons will be lighting up the area

and bam, goodluck lmao

[steady stone]

Follow the light...

But yeah it's pretty easy once you know what the beams are

Then just learn what each pillar does and where, like blood charging the fastest in the back

[fair terrace]

I BEAT IT

wow

that was my first mithrix completion

[agile crystal]

AttaMan, good fucking job

[fair terrace]

lfggg

[agile crystal]

get that loser outta here

[fair terrace]

i nearly died when he does the spinning lasers

[steady stone]

Big Spinny

[fair terrace]

dropped me to 100 shield but i saved it

[steady stone]

You learn the timing with practice and then the pattern to dodge

[fair terrace]

GG!

[fair terrace]

yeah for sure

[steady stone]

Like you learn when it will pop and judge how fast it approaches to run or go past

[agile crystal]

spinny is much more easier to doge the farther you are

[fair terrace]

so is captain strong

[agile crystal]

Oh yes

[fair terrace]

makes sense

[steady stone]

Captain is good

He has a lot of gimmicks with beacons

[agile crystal]

Unlock his diablo strike and he's awesoome sauce but thats only if you want a 1 tap

[fair terrace]

hmm, whats in his supply beacons?

[agile crystal]

nothing just recharges your equip or lowers your CDs iirc

[steady stone]

Healing, stun, free chest radius, equipment reset are the 4 types

[agile crystal]

OH in general

[fair terrace]

hmm

[agile crystal]

they're also only limited to 2 per stage

[steady stone]

Yeah supply is a specific type but assuming since he just unlocked him he means the ability in general

[agile crystal]

depends on wtv you wanna do, they're all good expect idk abt stun

[steady stone]

Stun is permanent stun so it's good

It goes off fast enough they can't move

[agile crystal]

until they're damaged 💔

[steady stone]

Diablo

[coarse swan]

game discussion of the 2nd variety

[peak jacinth]

it’s pretty confusing having one of the beacons be called “resupply beacon” lol

[hazy grove]

I thought they were going to do some rebalancing to the dlc, not make a board game

Or are they not going to rebalance the dlc

[peak jacinth]

you know the dev team for ror2 isn’t the team making the board game right….

[hazy grove]

Oh righht I did not see that, are they still working on a rebalance though?

[marble osprey]

They are, although it's been a minute since we've gotten any updates afaik

[pine moat]

do Ambrys usually bug out and not spawn a portal? or is there something you need to do after grabbing Delusion? can't find it anywhere on this map.

[daring cloak]

Yes this is a bug

It just kinda happens

[marsh gust]

reopen the chests

i dont know if thatll change anything but its likely due to something related to that or tangentially related either way

[pine moat]

[celest kayak]

hmm any tips on getting the most out of acrids bite? i feel like its really good and gives some decent sustain but pretty much eliminates you ability to take out flying enemies…. if your swarmed with soluses or wisps you lose 😵‍💫

all you can do is hop on them after theyve been posioned which is err. not always viable

[lavish jacinth]

Use your special and leap at them once their health is low

[celest kayak]

oh no for sure but when theres swarms thats very time consuming and not always doable

[lavish jacinth]

Or use leap to get away from them and into a better position

[celest kayak]

i guess i was asking if theres good items to combo with it mostly

shuriken?

[lavish jacinth]

Shuriken and aoe items

1 stack of gasoline pretty much deletes lesser wisps from the game

[celest kayak]

its mostly probes and elite wisps tbh. normal wisps are incapable of attacking during dots but elites can

[lavish jacinth]

Like I said, poison and use leap to either finish them off or disengage. That's kinda just how you have to play bitecrid, you won't always have a perfect option for swarms so you have to be smart about when you engage them

Leap scales really well with movespeed as well, with a couple energy drinks you can really easily escape from a bad situation

Having drones to draw aggro also always helps

(Probes and wisps also don't do much damage anyway even if they're elite, sometimes I just ignore them if there's something more dangerous to worry about lol)

[marsh gust]

most of what makes lesser wisps scary is the knockback they are capable of messing up your movement
but acrid takes basically none so its not a huge deal

[full apex]

Luckily the harder to hit flying enemies are less rewarding to kill and decently avoidable, so you can afford peppering them with special and just leaving them behind sometimes. Bigger scarier ones are much easier to hit with leap bite m1 combos.

Acrids armor and regen are very nice and the bonus regen from bite lets you focus on healing their chip on grounded foes

If you really want to heal and all thats around are like beetles or lems, which die too easily to m1, you can cancel the first 2 swings fast, before they deal damage, to turbo straight to the third swing for heals

Missing leap on a wisp can be annoying so ive been known to just try and let them group up, clumped means bigger target amd easier to kill them in 1 leap

[neat gazelle]

aye, tips for acrid? I dont play him often and now that im trying it out, i feel im doing no damage and just running around waiting for spec ability to come off cooldown to cc the mass of enemies ive got on me.

[timber flicker]

Is it playable?

[lavish jacinth]

we were just talking about him if you scroll up a bit, lol

[timber flicker]

Is there a mod to fully eclipse a character? I REFUSE to play chef or engineer

[lavish jacinth]

They've fixed the really severe bugs but we're still waiting on a rebalance for the items

[timber flicker]

What about twisted?

[lavish jacinth]

still bullshit

[lavish jacinth]

RealerCheatUnlocks

[lavish jacinth]

Anyway about Acrid
A big part of playing him comes down to gamesense and knowing when it's safe to jump in and deal damage. His gameplay loop tends to be kiting enemies waiting for an opportunity, leaping in and tearing stuff up with his primary, and then leaping away again, while keeping everything constantly poisoned
(or if you want you can play him completely passively and just run around letting poison do all the work, but that's pretty boring)

Also protip, his primary can be sprint-cancelled to hit faster, if you tap sprint right after each swing

[timber flicker]

Bless your soul

[lavish jacinth]

Randy's finest work

[timber flicker]

Thats cool

[minor jungle]

worst mistake even

[devout heath]

question, does mithrix take pearls I pick up

And do they effect him

[wintry fjord]

Yea

[devout heath]

Oh god

I have 13 regular pearls, trying to beat monsoon as loader

[lavish jacinth]

eh, it won't be that bad

worst case scenario it's just a bit of a slog, you can just hide behind a pillar and poke him with a ranged equipment or pylons if you need to

[devout heath]

I'm mainly concerned about 4th phase, thankfully pearls are fairly early on my item list so I should get them back quickly

[lavish jacinth]

well yeah, that's the phase I was referring to lol

[full apex]

i wonder if causing his max hp to drop so severely would return a bunch of items

i dont rember how the new return code regards that, if it sjust a % of his current hp or it would remember the original

would be funny

[devout heath]

Another question, will taking a purity or two mess up the artifact of sacrifice?

oop nope nvm wiki says it doesn't :3

[faint gull]

Something I learned is stacking polyute does not increase luck at all

[lavish jacinth]

...why would it

[faint gull]

Like I figured the more you have the more likely proccing it becomes but apparently not

[faint gull]

Yeah I worded that poorly

[lavish jacinth]

stacking polylute increases how many times it hits, not the proc chance

[faint gull]

I realize that

[devout heath]

Nope, same as regular uke and the ATG missile, only way to increase is with clover I think

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

that or having an ability with a proc coeff above 1.0, if you count that

[quasi crystal]

I don't think anything stacks both chance and damage

[faint gull]

What about tougher times they stack chance right?

[lavish jacinth]

Antler shield

[quasi crystal]

Didn't know tougher times dealt damage

[faint gull]

Well of course they do

[quasi crystal]

Sorry I downpatched

[faint gull]

Took me a second to mentally process how dumb that was

I've made a fool of myself I'm going back to my cave

[full apex]

at launch sticky bomb did and was the best damage item because of it hahaha

[quasi crystal]

I was gonna mention those but the tougher times question distracted me lol

[marble osprey]

Shuriken is kinda similar, since it stacks both damage and max number of shurikens (which also decreases their cooldown)

[quasi crystal]

That's true

[serene vector]

runic lens, but u downpatched anw

[quasi crystal]

It was sarcasm, I forgot runic too tho

[blazing marten]

anyone know what the farthest point to point distance on solid ground is in meters? or a way to measure distances in this game

[lavish jacinth]

There isn't really an easy way

has a max range of 1000 meters but it's not limited to the ground
has a radius of 16m (+8/stack) so you could sorta use that

[blazing marten]

is there a way to turn off monster spawning via console?

[lavish jacinth]

not in vanilla, but the Debugtoolkit mod has commands for it iirc

yeah, no_enemies

[blazing marten]

cool cool, gonna go get some measurements, tysm!

[full apex]

Withor measured the furthest distances pre any dlc, but i dont know where the results are anymore it was years ago

if you are willing to use mods, the easiest way to measure distances is with the unfinished sniper character

they have a scope that says distance to where you aim in meters so you can get an ez raw number. plus noclip helps position

[south egret]

old sticky bomb my beloved

also, if we're talking increasing chance and power, tentabauble stacks both

but if you want to specifically pick chance and damage, I don't think anything does that, no

[quasi crystal]

Runic

[full apex]

imagine if runic no hard caps 😔

[quasi crystal]

I wouldn't mind the damage being toned down for that

[steady stone]

diablo runic with no cap 😋

that's probably like the only reason there's a cap, besides just like proc spirals that have the insane ATG procs

[quasi crystal]

Gearbox is afraid to make insane reds

[tender temple]

uh huh

sonorous:

[quasi crystal]

Gonna be real I've barely seen anything drop even with elite spam post nerf it's not "insane"

I'll get 3 scrap out of it great red

[dusky frost]

what should I give the equipment drone a royal capacitor or a preon accumulator

nvm I found 2 equipment drones and gave them both to them

[steady stone]

equipment drones have lower cooldowns so personally id do preon and get more value in the future

it will target basically random enemies with royal, while you can aim it

[quasi crystal]

The real answer is glowing meteor

[dawn meadow]

Can you ever trigger Shatterspleen explosion with Forgive Me Please ? If I have 100% crit would that cause the explosion or no?

[quasi crystal]

I believe the on kill has to be unconditional for fmp to work

Also shatter spleens explosion procs on a bleeding enemy's death not a crit death so regardless it wouldn't work

[dawn meadow]

ahh okay. That figures, but I just thought I'd ask. Thanks!

[drifting totem]

Hey so, I've done some loop runs and encountered the twisted enemies many times and i don't understand what to do against them. It seems no matter where I am, when I deal damage to them, they "deflect(?)" any damage I do and almost kill me every time if it wasn't for my unstable transmitter. can someone explain how exactly the "deflect" works and what to do against them? They just spawn next to me and I'm dead instantly, I don't get it xd, I've tried staying out of their "zone" but they still managed to hit me with the "deflect" (if it is called a deflect)

[steady stone]

if there's a twisted wisp for example, and a beetle is in range of the wisp, hitting the beetle will harm you

[drifting totem]

oh the range makes the other enemies able to reflect the damage

[steady stone]

kinda like celestial

[drifting totem]

seems like a huge runkiller

[daring cloak]

They sure are

[drifting totem]

at least in loop runs

[steady stone]

yeah many people dont like the new elite

[drifting totem]

well, in normal runs they are a nice idea but in loop runs they are menaces

[daring cloak]

And itll most likely get rebalanced soon

[steady stone]

they dont appear in normal runs iirc

[drifting totem]

true

[daring cloak]

Also this is the wrong elite icon

[steady stone]

just like celestial and malachite, loop only

[daring cloak]

Its an unused version

[steady stone]

i didnt make the wiki

[drifting totem]

I hope so, it makes looping almost impossible

[bold sierra]

if someone has a DLC and the other person doesnt can they still play on the DLC???

[left trellis]

if you all play in the same lobby, then only one person needs to have the DLC for the stages, items, enemies, etc. to show up. however, players without the DLC can't play characters from the DLC, nor unlock logbooks from it

[devout heath]

Can I reach this island and can a big drone spawn (tc-280) there?

Alright confirmed that I can get there, no drone tho but I'm unsure on that

[peak jacinth]

pretty sure nothing spawns there

[faint gull]

Nothing spawns outside the area map

While that technically is kind of in the map (because you can get to it) it's so far away it barley counts

[forest linden]

When the alloy worship unit gets a bunch of health back temporarily, does damaging it during its health boost also damage it outside of its health boost?

Like for example, say it gains 1500hp temporarily. I do 200 damage, then the temp hp expires. Does it lose 1500hp or 1300hp?

[hoary sedge]

doing damage to the shield doesn't carry over to its health no

you can still stack debuffs though

[forest linden]

Alright

[hoary sedge]

also you can damage its health in that phase if you break the shield but if you're doing that much damage you probably don't have to deal with the shield phase in the first place

[sacred kestrel]

How do you solve the 20 Hemmorage bandit problem?

[ornate gust]

Command is the easiest and go on monsoon and stack urself with either a bunch of purity or a bunch of backup mags

Or both preferrably

Then just spam like a beetle queen or stone titan

I got mine on a stone titan

[sacred kestrel]

Brilliant

[fair terrace]

yo is this dlc boss like impossible for yall too??

[shell reef]

What part are u dying at

[errant ibex]

Tf is this?

[shell reef]

It’s electric boomerang

[errant ibex]

Why is it just ?????

[shell reef]

No clue bro 😭

[errant ibex]

It's in my inventory

[shell reef]

Buggy ass gearbox

[errant ibex]

It's from bentic bloom

Maybe that's why

[shell reef]

Oh yh orbs

Probably

[glacial knoll]

kinda defeats the whole point of this new system if you can't inspect items you get sometimes

[marble osprey]

Yeah probably, ik you don't get the logbook entry if pluripotent larva creates the item so benthic probably works the same way

[steady stone]

yeah i guarantee you dont have the logbook

[forest linden]

What’s the percent value of damage that it takes for bands to proc?

[marble osprey]

400%

[alpine mango]

can i get lunar items in the simulacrum?

[forest linden]

Thank you

[lavish jacinth]

Yes, from lunar pods

[solid lantern]

how come some bosses dont spawn on artifact on kin ( for example: shrine of the moutin 2x + only gups)

[lavish jacinth]

iirc it's just bugged atm

[full apex]

Kin doesn't always have bosses available if you mean getting horde of many

Nothing at all though isnt supposed to happen tho yea.

[daring cloak]

Its also curious that no tp items spawn either

When I once had no boss spawn in console pre sotv the game still spat out the tp reward when it was fully charged (this was in a prismatic trial though)

[golden hound]

is serrated knife or shiv better

[full apex]

yea the reward is tied to the boss, if no boss spawns no items drop

its how you can tell the difference from smth like sky meadows magma worms spawning in the death barrier and insta dying, the tele drops items right away insteaf of doing nothing

[full apex]

both are good, the ranged option is very nice for applying at a distance or in general and the melee one has larger aoe

if youre playing close up a lot, melee is probably better, if you have a more ranged playstyle, youll get more out of the dranged dagger

[lavish jacinth]

I'd say the throwing knife is a little better on average, the melee knife's AoE is tiny and the difference in damage is pretty insignificant compared to bandit's other options

hemorrhage is usually the main reason to use his secondary, and being able to apply it without needing to be five feet away from an enemy is nice

[slim spoke]

you mean two?

[lavish jacinth]

the knife hitbox is weird too, it's really wide but has barely any forward reach

[slim spoke]

someone used pyro's flame entity

[full apex]

a loooot of people really prefer melee for damage and aoe but ive always personally preffered ranged

so nice to hear a similar opinion

[full apex]

also yea the hitboxes in this game can be weird

isnt mercs m1 LOOOOOOONG or smth?

[lavish jacinth]

yep, the third swing is the size of a bus lol

speaking of silly melee hitboxes, I also found this a little while ago

I'm like 99% sure that they copy/pasted Loader's primary for this

[daring cloak]

Man the visual just looks so fucking bad

Surely that had to have been an accident

[lavish jacinth]

which I find VERY interesting, because Loader's primary also had screwed-up visuals when sots launched

[full apex]

idk if its copied, the code looks different so it just seems like size but maybe the size they did

oh wait its so far away

i didnt even see the vfx

LOL

[daring cloak]

ikr

[lavish jacinth]

it's also off-center lol