ror2-game-questions

[steady stone]

also will o smith is a burst damage item used to make spirals to wipe out large areas

gas is used completely differently

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, if it's a single dagger hitting a tanky enemy and you have no other damage buffs then maybe, but you'll pretty much always have other items for it to build off of

[steady stone]

gas is single target bonus if you kill smaller stuff due to stacks, the damage ones are horde clears

[minor jungle]

yeah but even with them usually I'm seeing daggers to just slightly damage enemy

[peak jacinth]

idk if you’re thinking that all on kills are bad because they’re on kills then maybe you need to reassess

[steady stone]

on kill items are good because they kill things that activate on kill items, which are good items

[willow olive]

On kills are also a crucial part of proc chains. You can’t have a large majority of them without on kills

[peak jacinth]

they also activate the other things that kills things too

[peak jacinth]

yea this exactly

[steady stone]

yeah gas is arguable the best item in the game, especially to stack

it can wipe out the entire map in a chain if you find a printer, since the radius is so large, along with damage

[willow olive]

Take this graph, and add a willowisp to the end that loops the schmook to the atg

[minor jungle]

gasoline is decent and can be buffed by ignition tank so I like it
wisp are weak though can be useful sometimes
daggers are weak and good only to make already strong runs mindless
all other items which such condition are good (except of and , it's just mid imo)

[steady stone]

were you the one that made the heavily edited proc chain graph with me?

[willow olive]

Yes.

[steady stone]

I still have it. Peak.

[steady stone]

gets buffed by
the same way gets buffed by things like or on hits

and they were never meant to be used in the same context anyway.

[peak jacinth]

i’m not exactly sure how you came to the conclusion that and are better than wisp…

[minor jungle]

alright wisp are good if you playing with some crowbars yeah

wdym

[steady stone]

dagger does 150% x3

that's actually more than will o smith

also it stays in place for later, for 10 seconds

[peak jacinth]

(against 1 enemy)

[willow olive]

When you say the willowisp is weak, what are you comparing that to? Cause just one of them is 350% in a 12m radius

[minor jungle]

ghor's tome gives you enough money for a chest which allows you to spend less time
monster tooth are great heal
pauldron gives huge buff of speed and attack speed
topaz gives you great barrier if you will stack it enough

[steady stone]

true, but he's saying it doesn't do that much damage to the enemies

[lavish jacinth]

daggers aren't as good with crowbar but they do make up for it by being efficient, since the damage basically never gets wasted and it gets 3 procs per kill

[minor jungle]

overall their dmg because wisps as well usually doesn't do anything at all in my runs

[willow olive]

Oh so you’re just arguing cause you think your perspective is the truth.

[minor jungle]

maybe because I'm usually haven't more than one crowbar idk

[peak jacinth]

yea I know, they’re still just saying an incorrect notion, but I thought it was worth pointing out

[minor jungle]

I'm thinking of my hours that I spend on this game

[willow olive]

Okay well, you can keep scrapping willowisp then. More green scrap is always good ig.

I do agree daggers can seem underwhelming however I don’t get them often and know for a fact that they can be very beneficial to runs.

[steady stone]

more ig

[lavish jacinth]

I mean you might as well scrap it if you're planning to fight any final boss and don't have FMP but that goes for any onkill

[steady stone]

yeah but that's a horrible way to judge how good an item is

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

if anything it's an argument for the final bosses being crap

[steady stone]

" is horrible because it has literally no effect" i take more seriously than "but can it beat mithrix"

[peak jacinth]

daggers, I find, fall victim to the “out of sight out of mind” sort of effect. Where you can rarely see them actually doing anything because they’re small and fast, so you assume they aren’t

[willow olive]

If it doesn’t help against the enemy I’m currently spamming all my abilities on then it’s not useful.

[peak jacinth]

honestly in false son they’re somewhat useable…. so so many golems…

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, mostly just in phase 2 though

[willow olive]

I get thar but the same argument for clover just doesn’t work. That one is stupid.

[steady stone]

technically +1% crit chance

[willow olive]

Creamy.

[strange leaf]

how do i get gud? (seriously though i suck and i wanna get better)

[lavish jacinth]

Well step 1 is just practice, obviously
Particularly with looting stages efficiently and learning to dodge enemies

[strange leaf]

my biggest issues are looting efficiently, dodging enemies, and build awareness

[lavish jacinth]

and don't skimp on loot, either- Items are how you get stronger. A really common mistake people make is panicking over the timer and rushing through stages, you never wanna do that

[strange leaf]

im also EXTREMELY slow (no thanks to the new gilded enemies..)

[lavish jacinth]

a good rule of thumb is to try to collect everything on the stage and still leave with more items than minutes

don't worry about being slow too much, as long as you're collecting items and not wasting time

[willow olive]

I’d recommend you play huntress on monsoon difficulty to practice.
Her low health means you can’t tank shots, and she can focus more on dodging than aiming. Both utilities are very good for looting as well

[lavish jacinth]

learning stage layouts will help a ton with that, over time you'll get a feel for which areas to check for loot, and routes to get around quickly without too much backtracking

[willow olive]

Something you could also look into later down the line is figuring out good macro/micro strategies. The main one being don’t open multi-shops until you’ve looted the rest of the stage in hopes of an executive card.

[lavish jacinth]

"Her low health means you can tank shots" 🤔

[willow olive]

I am tired and can’t type

[lavish jacinth]

lol

[strange leaf]

lel

[willow olive]

lal

[lavish jacinth]

*assuming you have SotV, if not then you can just open multishops whenever

[strange leaf]

the heck is a SotV?

[willow olive]

Do you have the survivors of the void dlc?

[strange leaf]

oh

[lavish jacinth]

but another example would be leaving bad items on the ground and looking for , especially high-rolling tiers like red or boss items

[willow olive]

Woah how’d I figure that one out?

[strange leaf]

alr

[willow olive]

Also go for achievements if you don’t already have everything unlocked.

Apart from stuff like mastery ofc that’s something you’d get naturally once you learn each survivor.

[strange leaf]

actually more specifically on that subject, its been a while since i've played ror2 and when i last played i made the unfortunate mistake of installing a mod to unlock everything, (including mas skins 😭) so i've been playing on a new profile to re-unlock everything the LEGIT way

[lavish jacinth]

anyway
as far as dodging enemies, it mostly comes down to learning their patterns and which enemies to prioritize.
Most fodder enemies have terrible aim and can be avoided just by strafing and jumping, once you get in the habit of constantly moving like that then you can practically ignore stuff like lemurians

[strange leaf]

i think i just have to learn to move more

thats probably a big one

[willow olive]

Most if not all heavy hitting enemies will have ques for their attacks

[lavish jacinth]

if you use RealerCheatUnlocks, you can manually lock or unlock individual achievements, if you want to get back to the progress you had on your old save

[strange leaf]

oh alr, i think i might use that for characters since i dont feel like running through the game several times to unlock acrid again

[willow olive]

Some more obvious, like vagrant explosion, to lesser obvious ones, like beetle queen spits

[lavish jacinth]

also a lot of enemies have audio cues, I'd recommend playing with headphones

[strange leaf]

another issue is the fact i have a really hard time focusing ONE enemy

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's just something you get in the habit of doing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901542787055636/1102422319407829043/Lizards.mp4

like I said, a lot of enemies have stormtrooper aim lol

[willow olive]

On later stages you want to prioritize what enemies you dodge. Lemurian spit doesn’t matter as much when you could be getting chunked by a brass contraption.

[willow olive]

Bigger is scarier. Shoot big things.

[lavish jacinth]

for me target priority usually looks something like

1. How likely is it to hit me
2. If it hits me, how much damage will it deal
   Stuff like wisps tend to be at the top of that list since they're actually pretty accurate, but it's worth tanking a hit from them if there's something more dangerous to focus on

[serene vector]

colorful enemies are also scarier (elites)

[lavish jacinth]

oh, and void infestors are always top priority. Kill those little fuckers on sight

[strange leaf]

i gtg to bed, but on the subject of elites my least favorite is gilded since i had to waste 7 minutes trying to kill a single gilded "big lemurian" as i call it

[serene vector]

also, know what items can do before entering a fight, like if you have or , gather the mobs and then kill em all together

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, gilded elites are dogshit, they'd be the worst elite in the game if twisted elites didn't exist

[strange leaf]

gn fellas, thx for the tipz!

[lavish jacinth]

hopefully gearbox reworks them both soon lol

[serene vector]

gn

[thorny steeple]

does antler shield have a proc coefficient?

[thorny steeple]

ngl i hate gilded elites moer because they spawn earlier

in the first loop of a run having an elite type that can steal all your gold from a stray gasoline proc is extremely oppressive
and then they also have 1.5x higher hp and damage than the other t1 elite types because fuck you

i've only died once to a twisted elite's damage reflection, i've died more to the elite itself than to its buff

[brazen sluice]

one thing i love about railgunner: she actually does realy well with any build commando runs well with. her standard m1 has the same proc coef and damage as mando's m1, so she can become a powerhouse with attack speed and proc chance items

[lavish jacinth]

0.3

[brazen sluice]

it does shoot at 2/3 the speed as mando tho so its not a direct 1-1 comparison. but thats realy the only difference besides range, homing, and no damage falloff

[obtuse edge]

wich one yall think is better the 1st secondary or 2nd secondary for seeker?

[thorny steeple]

interesting, so its not as useless as i first thought

[lavish jacinth]

it's still pretty useless

[thorny steeple]

2nd one is better because its dps is nuts and it synergizes stupidly well with her utility, but i prefer the 1st one

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the alt secondary is definitely stronger for pure damage

default m2 is nice for healing but it's kinda wimpy

[thorny steeple]

all the default secondary needs is a damage buff (and let us be able to target flying enemies directly please)

[jovial dawn]

Guys how do you end a run? Can you obliterate after mithrix? (I know about the pillar where you can obliterate)

[lavish jacinth]

either beat one of the final bosses (usually mithrix) or obliterate yourself, you can't do both

[jovial dawn]

What do you mean by one of the final bosses?

[lavish jacinth]

Mithrix, False Son or Voidling, the latter two being DLC

[jovial dawn]

ohh

Can you loop after mithrix?

[lavish jacinth]

ending the run after false son is also optional, you can continue it if you want to. The other two will end the run though

[minor jungle]

why not, you can go out after False Son and continue your run

[jovial dawn]

I dont have the DLC btw

[lavish jacinth]

nope, it's possible to go straight to voidling after mithrix, but either way you can't get back to normal stages afterwards

[jovial dawn]

I mythrix the final boss of the base game?

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[jovial dawn]

What are all the ways you can loop without DLC

[lavish jacinth]

this might help

[willow olive]

Interact with the prongs of the primordial teleporter or use the artifact teleporter. You can also just enter any portal on a stage with the primordial teleporter.

[jovial dawn]

OK thanks guys

[slim karma]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxeDTwIc80KuQmL3D_YJKxiUfUezjiLX9-?si=az0vcM_2Q4flptHw

[livid wedge]

Thank you Mr. Music Man

[tacit summit]

thank you very much

[sinful fractal]

A few questions about rex:
Is light flux pauldron good for rex since most of his damage is from m2?

Does backup mag do anything for this alt m2?

[glacial knoll]

plant m2 is already minimum cooldown

[sinful fractal]

Plant is self damage one, right?

[uncut wadi]

If you mean robo m2 (directive: drill) then ehhhhh I'd day the dps split normally would be like 60:40 for m1:m2

It isn't worth it to sabotage the experience altogether just for faster cd m2

If you're not doing eclipse there is barely a reason to use it as well, default m2 within the kit is just the strongest thing imaginable

[sinful fractal]

Oh yeah, i meant seed barrage

If it's 60:40 how low do you go before you stop using plant m2?

[sinful fractal]

Wait what, i thought the best skills are the self damage ones

[uncut wadi]

If you're using plant m2 then there's no point in getting light flux since the cooldown doesn't exist, it just uses the minimum buffer the game implements of 0.5 seconds

Light flux would actually handicap your healing from m1 to sustain m2 firing

So literally zero gain

[sinful fractal]

Wouldn't the healing shift to the root and push?

Basically, in my head is that m1 for weaken, m2 for damage, util and spec is for healing

[uncut wadi]

Not enough of an offset if your costless healing source is just reduced by half

It also would feel horrible to play when you got light flux

Imagine having 100ms

[sinful fractal]

Lol yeah tried it once

Anyway, plant m2 is better than robot m2?

[uncut wadi]

Yeah by far

Robot m2 is just worse and puts the m1 healing into practically nothingness

The only scenario where you'd wanna use robot m2 is just eclipse 8

Otherwise plant wins out no question

[sinful fractal]

Alright

What are stats to look out for? Aside from ms and damage reduc/block

[uncut wadi]

Anything generally good will be good with default rex, the only countersynergy is shield, which includes plasma shrimp

A special synergy is razorwire as every usage of m2 will proc a razorwire projectile

[sinful fractal]

Should i put higher priority in stacking attack speed and crit for more m1 heal?

[uncut wadi]

Healing items are less important, I'd keep 1 slug at most for some good backbone and that's it

[uncut wadi]

They'll help, I'd invest into diversified damage sources to improve multipliers in general, which also includes watches

[sinful fractal]

Should i salvage 3 healing items for the lunar shop if ever? Or just keep them?

[uncut wadi]

You can play self damage rex and still make good use of watches if you aren't
5 overzealous with spamming m2

[sinful fractal]

What about proc? I heard his m1 has atrocious proc coef

[uncut wadi]

M1 does, but plant m2 has 1.0 and will be solid for procs so don't skimp out on proc items

If you find an atg ukulele, polylute, whatever, keep it.

[glacial knoll]

Proc items are never bad

[uncut wadi]

The scenario where there are tradeoffs is only sticky bomb vs crit and even then crit is still better

And yeah, proc items are never bad, there's no reason to skip them unless something a lot better is available

Like if you're struggling on mobility maybe picking a feather and foregoing an atg could be a good call

In general you can treat item building with rex as similar to commando

With the exceptions being razorwire, shield items, and healing items

[glacial knoll]

REX like most characters is just a shoot a lot character

[daring cloak]

cough knockback fin

[sinful fractal]

At what % do you stop using m2 at higher stages?

[glacial knoll]

just get more healing

[sinful fractal]

Like when elder lemurians show

[uncut wadi]

You'd use it pretty much all the time pre loop

[daring cloak]

Depends

[uncut wadi]

Just weave in usages of m1 for heals and you're good to go

[sinful fractal]

I mean hp %, to heal up

[uncut wadi]

80% since I'm a bitch boy

[daring cloak]

Personally? Never

Go big or go home

[glacial knoll]

When M2 is on cooldown really

[sinful fractal]

Alrighty lol

[uncut wadi]

Can't go wrong tbf, I just play very safe lol

If you build good raw damage you will just be able to outheal m2 damage with a single barrage of m1

[sinful fractal]

I just had a few runs on stage 4 or 5 where i was falling behind the curve (?). Meaning mobs were spawning faster than I can dispatch them. On both commando and rex. I'm pretty sure i just had awful rng on distant roost and sanctuary. Any tips when this happens? On monsoon*

[glacial knoll]

well if you're getting all the item's like there's not much to do

just run away more I guess

[sinful fractal]

Spread out the enemy and kill them slowly?

[glacial knoll]

more so just ignoring the enemy I guess

If you have AoE but weak single target damage more enemies could be easier to kill but if you don't have anything due to bad rng then you just gotta kill the tp boss and not much else ig

[sinful fractal]

Ooh. So you just kite the mobs and focus on the tp boss? But you kill the mending first, right? Lol

[glacial knoll]

No I just die but in theory

[sinful fractal]

Story of all my failed runs lol

[glacial knoll]

If the enemies truly outscale you because RNG was that bad yeah I guess just kite every enemy and focus on tp boss

[uncut wadi]

Depends on how bad it is, sometimes I'll just ignore killing altogether and just focus on charging the teleporter if it's very bad

Otherwise kiting and then finishing a horde off with aoe chaining is always a good idea

[sinful fractal]

Yeah i had a few runs like this. Really really bad rng

[uncut wadi]

Rex also necessitates good kiting skills imo

Or rather good strafing, he is fatter than others

[sinful fractal]

What's kiting exactly? Aside from jumping?

[uncut wadi]

Running in large-ish circles to group enemies up

Or keep enemies in a group chasing you

[glacial knoll]

REX necessaties pressing the special button and all the enemies stop moving

[uncut wadi]

Whatever method you choosr to do the end goal is to make sure you aren't surrounded and that the enemies are clumped up/controllable

Controllable as in you are well aware of where they're coming from and such

I think we might've ignored tangling growth as being the best stage ability in existence

But yeah when in doubt, drop a flower and suddenly you get a shit ton of healing and enemies won't be hauling your ass for 10 seconds

[sinful fractal]

I always use spec > utility when there's a large mob

But i was curious what i was supposed to do when special > utility > 3-4x m2 doesn't kill all clumped enemies lol

[normal pagoda]

Is there any reference on when a next update might be?

[daring cloak]

No

We have no clue when its happening

[left trellis]

@willow ore hey, if you've got time - apparently a bug with Chronic Expansion has been discovered where you don't count as staying "in combat" when attacking certain enemies, like Imp Overlords or Gups. I'd be curious to see if you could find the code responsible for this.

More details here: https://youtu.be/7TbVgkvAFT4?t=4m41s

[daring cloak]

Afaik "in combat" is wrong entirely and only kills reset the duration

[quasi crystal]

This bug isn't new info though lol

[analog brook]

Doing damage keeps the buff up!!!

[full apex]

i dont think its a bug, just a bad description

there are a handful of kill-combo effects in the game, like pauldron or a few for unlocks

its just a timer that resets when you kill something, it doesnt have any tie at all to the 'in combat' effect applied to other items

it shouldnt say that, and the confusion wouldnt have existed

[glacial knoll]

how could this possibly happen only on certain enemies huh

[full apex]

wait do some enemies not do this?.

[glacial knoll]

did you watch the video

[full apex]

i dont think ive noticed it maintain without killing things

[glacial knoll]

I guess this is why it often felt like the buff resets out of nowhere, not just because DoTs dont count towards the timer

[full apex]

no, i guess i would have to

the code for it is just in the multikill stuff

multikill doesnt touch the outof effects

[glacial knoll]

I was wondering like yknow, what the fuck even

and it's just this, some enemies are tagged as "Player", gameObject tags aren't used like for anything

[full apex]

also scrolling through every outof instance doesnt interact with combo, but maybe im missing something

[glacial knoll]

I will now proceed to yell at them

[full apex]

wait what does this mean?

oh

is that just a typo then and its supposed to update in combat actually?.

i dont understand this update lol

me and chinchi have already done our chronic testing and didnt see that i guess

oh well

[glacial knoll]

When you do damage with an attack that has a procCoeff. Your Chronic Expansion timer is set to 5

This however does not work if the Enemy gameObject is tagged as Player

This tag is entirely unrelated to it, being a Player, it being on the Player Team, it being a friend, or anything at all really

This is not how this check has or ever should be done to the point where I can't even imagine what it's for

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1296555791649603624

[full apex]

yea that shouldnt be a tag it should just be team

i guess ill add it to the list

must have just mostly picked enemies that didnt reset on hit by accident when testing it i guess and in a run its easy to miss when you are pretty sure its not something that you should be looking for

[daring cloak]

Ok so is it normal for more than one environment scanner interactable to spawn on a stage?

[full apex]

it can but its rare

the only thing that disables it spawning is having the log

[glacial knoll]

At least my mod fixes it even tho I didn't know it existed

Yeah Radar Scanners weren't ever tagged as "only spawn 1"

[full apex]

i dont think anything is

[glacial knoll]

Void Seeds added that technology to limit them to 3 per stage

[full apex]

oh interesting, that makes sense tho

[glacial knoll]

And now well the new sots interactables are limited to 1 per stage too

[daring cloak]

I had 3 on treeborn

[glacial knoll]

okay 3 is really funny

[full apex]

so ig if you wanted you could limit to 1

[full apex]

iirc its similar to gold shrine in spawn rates

because also gold chest is similar but the high cost makes it functionally way more rare

might be off tho i dont rember exactly

[daring cloak]

If only the game gave me those kinda odds for stages I didnt already have the log of

[glacial knoll]

man why wasn't it 3 gold shrines

[livid wedge]

Does anyone have that infographic picture with list of debuffs?

[full apex]

new chronic lol

[full apex]

theres a wiki page that has all buffs and debuffs and their icons

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Status_Effects?so=search

[livid wedge]

I know but I had seen somone compile them into a neat picture

[full apex]

ah ic, idk then

[livid wedge]

Easier to look at mobile

[full apex]

havent seen that one

is it just like one image?

[glacial knoll]

what about it only being level 1 damage tho

[livid wedge]

Yeah, just one image

With the debuffs arranged by source

[full apex]

that we assumed is on purpose since it ramps so hard

[glacial knoll]

the 4.72 damage after killing 20 enemies on stage 5

Tho yeah I guess it could be intentional, not the only time they forgot you level up

[full apex]

rn its basically a combo piece, if you can maintain it then it can get really silly

if not, its not really super impressive

[glacial knoll]

Still a mystery about the unused Bolsterning Lantern damage

[full apex]

the wiki does track that its possibly unintended though, so i suppose i could put a (?) somewhere in the list. no harm in it, if its wrong theyll just ignore it

[daring cloak]

I mean

They also take feedback so even if its wrong itll give them intel about what we think would fit more

[glacial knoll]

Most of this stuff has already been reported anyways they definitely heard it from me

[full apex]

if it used scaled level it should probably slow down a lot, especially if its meant to reset in combat

[daring cloak]

Ye

[glacial knoll]

Like straight up less damage per buff instead of more damage

Diminishing instead of Exponential returns

[full apex]

like if 20% is white item baseline, surpassing that at a 3 combo would be super easy and the item would change from meh-to-nuts, to nuts-to-instawin

[glacial knoll]

I have it at 30%+20% per stack rn 30%+30% is definitely way too stupid if you can maintain it

[full apex]

i think they probably wanted specifically to reward higher combos more rather than frontloading it

most items already frontload

[glacial knoll]

Oh yeah for sure, that's not how the game works tho so

[daring cloak]

Man gearbox really got very ambitious with this item

[full apex]

it would be like ramping as you clear the stage and then having big damage for tele, like desperado as an item

[daring cloak]

Specifically wanting exponential and infinite stacking

[glacial knoll]

either 1% damage or 200% damage no inbetween awesome

[full apex]

the fact that they intended to solve 4 digit buff counts word wrapping, by replacing it with GOD at that point will always be fnuuy to me

[daring cloak]

This is why I think it should be specifically elite kills

With a bit more leniency on the duration

[full apex]

gaining damage with no combo for elite kills feels kinda meh

[glacial knoll]

wdym with the god thing where that come from

[full apex]

if it is combo it would be really inconsistent

sec

[daring cloak]

So what gearbox wanted to do was for the item's visual counter on the character model to display G0D once the stack count goes above 999

[full apex]

fuk i dont rember where it is lol

[daring cloak]

Though they put the code in the reverse order so it checks it wrong

[glacial knoll]

ah G0D with a Zero

[daring cloak]

What they wanted was for the display to first show 00X per buff stack for stacks 0-9

[glacial knoll]

God string search didn't find it

[daring cloak]

Yup

[full apex]

wonder if this was why mith broke lol

[glacial knoll]

well yeah

[full apex]

yess this haha

i forgor about the mithrix warped thing i kinda let others deal with it

[glacial knoll]

ah that's why the 0 is always there' it's not meant to be

[daring cloak]

Its just so tragic for such a cool easter egg to be fumbled like this

[glacial knoll]

only makes sense considering everything else huh

[full apex]

such a simple fix too 😔

we should have it in an update then tho

[glacial knoll]

don't think any player ever even got 999

[full apex]

ive done it

but it requires fmp synergy really

[glacial knoll]

why the hell yo monsoon helper visible

[full apex]

i was tired mid simul run and kinda at the boring point already so i was like
yaknow what would be really funny

im just gonna go to sleep LOL

so i left my game crying overnight stacking chronic in simul because infinite time hahaha

[full apex]

i have hidden items on in lookingglass

[glacial knoll]

shame the stats board seemingly broke

[full apex]

you're the first person to insta-know exactly what that is hahaha

[full apex]

yea idk why, apparently it works for others but mine has just always been broken

[glacial knoll]

yeah I know betterUi and lookingglass have that feature idk why anyone would have it on tho

maybe it somehow got changed to only display basedamage

[full apex]

i like it, its also nice when you can now legitimately get hidden items in runs which is really funny

[glacial knoll]

I guess maybe there's some value to assinging proper descriptions to hidden items afterall

[full apex]

i suppose it wouldnt be too hard!

ive never modded before tho

(which is surprising considering everything else ive done)

[glacial knoll]

No like I did that one day because I was bored

Mostly just documenting the unused items tho some of those descriptions arent right iirc

[full apex]

oh you already did it?

id install that right away

ahh

[glacial knoll]

It's just part of wolfoqualityoflife

not host-client only whatever compatible every player would need the mod if that's a concern

I would not know how about go about changing that, you spend months networking everything but some players just want it client only too

[full apex]

most of the friends i play with dont do modded so i really only have display stuff and debug suite stuff

i only play modded tho because at this point i cant live without those

[glacial knoll]

Wonder what happens if like a host sends a network message to a client and he doesn't have the code for it

[full apex]

do buffs behave that way?

[glacial knoll]

if two players have different buff catalogs then i'd imagine the client would just have very confusing buffs

[full apex]

i had withor make me a mod for a buff thats purely cosmetic that displays adaptive armor stacks, funny to see on mith but also funny if you smuggle it onto yourself to see how much its actually helping. its not done in recalc stats so lookingglass cant see it

it caused a shift so the other players were seeing buffs in what i assume are off by 1 and it caused a LOT of jank

[glacial knoll]

yeah it's pretty bad, same with adding any Projectile or Item

[full apex]

like arti burn showed overheat and gilded elites looked twisted, and it would make sense to me that those were one off. but also bandit got slowed when cloaked, and i wouldnt be surprised if that was off by 1 speed effects

its funny that only sometimes it genuinely caused problems, like my game just accepted as host that the client using bandit sprint was actually giving a slow debuff

[glacial knoll]

I guess the RecalcStats is client sided but the buffs are serversided that's messed up

[errant ibex]

Does warped echo combo with transcendence?

[full apex]

yea really well because its broken right now

[glacial knoll]

Sometimes it makes Transcendence instantly regenerate sometimes it takes longer to Regen

[full apex]

ive never had it take longer on trance

[errant ibex]

So I should take the the transcendence?

[glacial knoll]

In testing it sometimes still put me in danger idk why tho. It doesn't align with my understanding with the bug

[chrome ocean]

So i Almost Have Monsun Beaten with Every character Except For T-rex or whatever his name is, and i Dont Feel like im good Enough With him to Beat Mythrix, Its like Really hard For me To get Even to Stage 6 With him Its like Impossible, Any Advice?

[full apex]

rn its just that taking damage with a warped stack up that doesnt hit hp, only shield or barrier, doesnt set in danger so opal stays up and shield instantly regens

[glacial knoll]

Yeah sure you can always just scrap it later

[full apex]

without staccks ready you take damage like normal

[full apex]

weird... its broken though and has caused a lot of problems so im not surprised.

[glacial knoll]

very functional item

[full apex]

what

does it hold OSP while its queued

wtf

i know it rembers OSP but i didnt know it was for the whole thing

or is it reapplying with perfect timing

[glacial knoll]

I think this might actually be the OSP protection it is meant to have activating. but as to why the first hit just doesn't kill me idk

I cannot fathom it all tbh

[full apex]

i wonder if its like each hit from it OSP is valid so it starts the grace period or smth and the second hit also does so its b2b grace periods?...

although curse should stop that in the first place

hmmmmmm

idk echo is fucked

[glacial knoll]

It's OSP period only activates, if you get hit, when you already have a warped echo damage incoming

When you get OSP'ed when you have Echoed damage incoming

[full apex]

super weird

cause when the shield bug triggers it also deals 100-0 instead of 50-50

[glacial knoll]

So like, get hit, get OSP'ed, now Warped Echo won't kill you

[glacial knoll]

That's technically not a bug

Like it's stupid but like, they just put it after the shield calculation

[full apex]

i think that order issue is the bug

[glacial knoll]

The out of danger thing is another bug

[full apex]

i love ror2

[glacial knoll]

the OSP thing is also a Order issue I guess

[full apex]

i love finding a bug and thinking i understand it only to be corrected later because theres another bug on top of the first confounding my data lmao

[full apex]

there are some really conditional orderlul issues too that i personally find pretty funny

like slayer can bypass OSP

but getting the condition is HARD, the hp window is small

[glacial knoll]

Specifically this one line, that doesn't need to be there so idk why they added it. Is the whole reason the Out of Danger bug happens

[full apex]

num 3 is the damage or damageinfo isnt it haha

[glacial knoll]

They made up a new OSP timer for Warped Echo, but only check for it if you have Echoed damage incoming. Which could be fine but well the OSP timer is checked before the Warped Echo is checked so it's yeah out of order

Num3 would be like yeah total damage done vs num14 is green health damage

so it just sets it to 0 damage and echoed damage is also 0

[full apex]

very silly

[glacial knoll]

It feels so non human why would you add this line why would check gameobject.tag you have all the code right infront of you to know how things should be done

[full apex]

its kinda a weird effect so i get why it got messed up

although
could they just alter and queue it right at the end after all the damage calc before hp is changed and then apply a mask?.

thats how corpsebloom works

but idk if takedamage has the infrastructure to make that ez to do

[glacial knoll]

You can remove this one line and nothing bad happens it's entirely unneeded

[errant ibex]

Does the same apply to void bears?

[glacial knoll]

Void Bear isn't Out of Danger so no

[full apex]

void bear wouldnt trigger it at all, the damage instance is completely rejected

[errant ibex]

Oh

[full apex]

thats why it doesnt trigger anything else in takedamage either

regular teddy is the same

[glacial knoll]

Like best guess is they wanted to do Num3 *= 0.5f but just ????? happened

[full apex]

i love ?????

[glacial knoll]

I just hope it'll all be better soon

wish i could check how many reports i posted here

[full apex]

in the lab chinchi was putting BUG: at the start of all the bugs he found and was logging so it was searchable lmao

[glacial knoll]

echoed damage not working with planu and rap is also technically not a bug or putting you into danagger but it's so easy to add man god damn

Easy to forget how much is wrong with the game

[full apex]

planula being in bypassarmor has always been weird to me

[glacial knoll]

If it was always like that idk but I thought it was done for Simulacrum

[full apex]

hmm i suppose that makes some sense

though a boss item having synergy with ramping fog woud maybe be ok

i mean wungus shreds it anyways

[glacial knoll]

I feel like I remember suncles saying smth about it ages ago but could be making it up

15 healing would get out scaled really fast tho yeah

[lavish jacinth]

The general game plan with Rex is to spam secondary for dps while constantly firing m1 to keep your health up, and use his special to group up enemies and get even more healing. His utility is decent for getting out of danger and for a burst heal, if you're using the alt.
He's kinda weird to play since you have to get used to being at around half health most of the time, but he's got such good self-healing options that you can get back to full extremely quickly once you stop spamming m2.
Loadout-wise I'd recommend all of the self-damaging skills, although Directive: Drill and Disperse can work if you prefer them. Harvest is hot garbage tho

[chrome ocean]

i feel like on Stage 4-6 I Just get Oneshotted

like Deinstalled

[full apex]

use the boop to help reposition

the alt is a lot stronger because the damage and healing are super good. if you can using the special root at lower hp is better because it takes % current and heals % max

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you've gotta keep an eye on your health and know when it's safe to spam self-damage

Rex has a lot of things that you just have to get used to lol

[chrome ocean]

hm okay, ill try it out

[full apex]

even if whatever gets rooted dies it still heals the whole time

[lavish jacinth]

unfortunately he has a lot of anti-synergy with items that lose their effect when you take damage, like etc., but one upside is that you can pass up healing items and focus mainly on damage and speed since he has tons of healing already.
are also very good on him, since he constantly hurts himself and has two built-in debuffs

[chrome ocean]

Okay, thanks

[full apex]

medkit can be funny

[rancid jewel]

what is strange scrap? found it looking through item name files

[daring cloak]

An unused item iirc

[rancid jewel]

oh

another question, how do you change the names of items, i tried in notepad but it just didnt work

[steady stone]

There would probably be a display variable in the code

[full apex]

scrapped scrap, fnuuy

[steady stone]

Also please don't program in notepad lmao

[rancid jewel]

I didn't really do anything

[daring cloak]

OOH THOSE THINGS

[rancid jewel]

I just changed an item name to something else but it didn't do anything

[daring cloak]

I completely forgot about those

[rancid jewel]

But I won't touch it anymore than that since I know little to nothing about that stuff

[steady stone]

To actually change stuff you would probably need to actually change the code and essentially make a mod, since there's probably values with similar names to the actual item that interact with said item. There would be places where stuff is displayed too

Like for example, in VS or VSCode, values can be defined, but can also be directly said the contents of using a Console.WriteLine

[rancid jewel]

That makes more sense than changing one word on notepad

[full apex]

dunno how to change lang files manually, i know people have done it for mithrix voicelines

this is what the inside of water hazard's files look like but no idea what it means lmao

[steady stone]

If I had to guess they have the names as variables so they can change all the lines at once later

[full apex]

if you were willing to do it as a mod dissecting that might help

you might even be able to copy it, look for the text you want to change, and then use that a a mod instead

no idea though im just throwing random stuff out there cause i havent done it

[steady stone]

All my knowledge about programming is general, I never went further than VS and scripts and such in terms of creations. Probably couldn't help in game engines much

[full apex]

it looks like this

i wonder if you could just like... ctrl f what you wanna change, and then remove everything else hahaha

[daring cloak]

captain

[full apex]

oh yea i have captain ctrl-f'd from checking wanderer

[daring cloak]

Wait tf does "captain: your pen" mean

[steady stone]

Would definitely still have to be manual in case there's like "captainspeed1" and you fatally mess up a variable lol

[full apex]

i just mean like you could search for smth like this

change the text, and everything else you dont care about just delete

[steady stone]

Yeah maybe

What language is all that in anyway?

[full apex]

also if you've never tried water hazard its hilarious

you should is picked up, and i think strip is fireworks

i dont rember what what is but this was a funny sequence

[daring cloak]

tf lmao

[full apex]

also this

army five days was like ap rounds i think haha

ofc chest is now breast

its a googletranslate a billion times mod, which is where the name comes from. risk -> hazard, rain -> water

[daring cloak]

Oh that explains it

[jaunty ledge]

Amazing

[quasi crystal]

Can someone explain to me how I got and urchin?

I don’t have a happiest mask

[left trellis]

What items do you have?

[quasi crystal]

Um

A lot

[left trellis]

and also what artifacts are on (if any)

[quasi crystal]

No artifacts

I’m on eclipse

Wake of vultures

[lavish jacinth]

Wake of vultures, one of your turrets became a malachite elite and then died, which spawned an urchin

[quasi crystal]

I’ve never seen that happen before. Interesting

[lavish jacinth]

it's a pretty specific set of circumstances, but if you don't have happiest mask then it's really the only other way it could happen

[quasi crystal]

I do have 3 wake of vultures unfortunately

Well the urchins don't friendly fire

So there's no real misfortune

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's pretty unfortunate RNG lol

[quasi crystal]

2 of them came from the same shrine

Id take 3 vultures over some of the rng I've gotten

I’ve also been in this run for two hours. I’m trying to get the prime meridian skin but haven’t gotten a green portal

[lavish jacinth]

it might not be possible in eclipse

[quasi crystal]

It is

It is

I just got it finally

[lavish jacinth]

interesting

[quasi crystal]

Obliterating in pm isn't possible though

[lavish jacinth]

protip btw, you can also get to the alt path via lunar seers, if you've got extra coins to spend

[full apex]

I dont think any alternate endings were allowed. If Meridian is, that's probably an oversight

[quasi crystal]

I know. I’ve spent a lot. It just hasn’t show up

[lavish jacinth]

man, rngesus really hates you

[quasi crystal]

It’s because it’s not an ending. You can continue after the fight unlike voidling

[full apex]

Mmm still idk. I don't even think you can artifact portal

[uncut wadi]

You can't end yourself at the altar on eclipse

[full apex]

Is the rebirth shrine disabled?.

[uncut wadi]

Though the alt path is enabled iirc

[quasi crystal]

I believe so yes

[full apex]

No way to say intentions for sure, but they might have just been fine with it since you can moon basically right after

[willow olive]

Oh, I wanted to ask you something since you’ve been digging around in the code recently.
A couple of people have had issues with the alter of n’kuhana. They don’t have the achievement yet Carney won’t spawn. Is there anything of note that could be causing this?

[full apex]

Hmmm, that im not sure about

Im not sure exactly what controls whether it spawns or not, it might be a prefab which wouldn't be in the code

[fathom haven]

Last time i played ror2 is January 2024 and now i came back, all my unlocked artifacts and survivors are gone, only Commando, huntress and rail gunner... Is this intentional or is it a bug and way to resolve this?

[steady stone]

PC?

well, it sounds like you just lost your save, so i'd first see if you're on the right account, then the in-game profile

if it's just simply gone, and you're on PC, i'd use RealerCheatUnlocks, which lets you choose what to unlock

that way you can still have certain things locked, but get back what you know you had

[lavish jacinth]

it's probably just your ingame profile though, that happened to a lot of people after the update

[fathom haven]

Yup, it's pc

[steady stone]

yeah that's what i'm thinking

not a lot of people know ror2 has profiles

i think it's top right main menu?

[lavish jacinth]

I think so, yeah. it's in one of the corners, lol

[fathom haven]

OMG IT IS

[steady stone]

PC players get it easy with data deletion anyway from mods

[fathom haven]

LOLLLLL

[void fossil]

Chat what’s The name of that one lunar item that turns your primary into like a barrage of purple crystals I forgot the name

[steady stone]

visions of heresy

[void fossil]

Thank you

[brazen sluice]

omg....i finally figured it out. ive been wondering this for the longest time. ive always felt like i was MUCH more likely to get either titanic or roost as my first stage than the other three. turns out i was right. you ARE more likely to get one of those two. i always thought it was a 2/5 chance, cuz 2 maps out of the 5 total. but in reality, its a 4/7 chance (over half) because both of those maps have 2 variants and each variant is simply coded as a separate map. TIL

[frigid glen]

what is a good commando loadout? i was thinking alt evrything

[fervent monolith]

How can i get a legendary chest?

[full apex]

Get lucky, or find one of the ones that are guaranteed to spawn on certain stage 4's.

[clear ibex]

hey watching a guide on how to get false son, they say go through the portal in the blue zone and buy w lunar coins but where does the portal spawn at or how do i get it? 😭

[left trellis]

what do you mean "the portal in the blue zone"?

are you asking how to get to the lunar bazaar?

[clear ibex]

no i know how to get there that’s whenever u go through the blue portal but when u go through “a dream” where is it at? i look around and i don’t see any new portal sorry decently new

[left trellis]

oh. it doesn't make a new portal, it just makes the normal exit portal go wherever you dreamed

[clear ibex]

thank you!

[fervent monolith]

yo

what "bear the full brunt of a sun" means

on paladin mod

[full apex]

#ror2-modding might know

[smoky flare]

Can anyone please enlighten me on what logs I'm missing?

I'm almost certain 1 is voidling and I think a void devastator is the other but that's only 2/3

[glacial knoll]

the AWU from Sirens

[smoky flare]

Oh i see, Is that separate from the SCU?

[fervent monolith]

where should the legendary chest appear whn i kill secret boss on siren

[glacial knoll]

ye

[glacial knoll]

not chest just red item around the balls pillar in the middle

[fervent monolith]

legendary chests are only in stage fours?

[full apex]

they can spawn naturally but its not common

[smoky flare]

Awesome, thank you. I'm hunting 100% completion and these few have eluded me for a while

[glacial knoll]

the legendary chest is replaced by the secret boss

[full apex]

on abyssal and sundered one spawns guaranteed, on sirens you get a red from fighting AWU instead

[fervent monolith]

oh, i see

[brazen sluice]

one of the reasons why ive come to the opinion that it is the worst of the 3 stage 4 maps. not that i dislike fighting the AWU (especially as rex or merc), but the fact that A: it takes WAAAY longer to kill that thing than it takes to farm for a gold chest and B: sale star exists now. also that map has vultures and larva up the ass and realy everything else tbh. its like the devs were like "lets just shovel all the worst enemies into one map"

though i like the map itself (like the layout, ambience, etc) and the music is fantastic there

[glacial knoll]

Acid Larva are certainly, an enemy. But Sirens still definitely better for 3-4 player multiplayer

The true advantage it had before is still there but yeah Sale Star makes it worse for Single Player

[minor jungle]

do you have sale star in every single run?

[glacial knoll]

Yes :)

[uncut wadi]

Nah, you lose out on so much normal stuff that the 3 extra aegises won't be worth it

There is no scenario where sirens is even remotely comparable to the other two stages under normal circumstances

Sirens likes to spend its credits on drones and is the only stage 4 that can't spawn chance shrines while is only the one that holds the curse of large healing chests and fucking shrine of the woods

It is the culmination of everything that makes wasteful usage of the credit pool

[glacial knoll]

Abyssal and Grove have a higher drone weight so should spawn more but yeah lots of bad shrines

[uncut wadi]

Issue is that there are more drone variety in sirens

While those variations also costing a fuck ton of credits

That's maybe a third of the problem though, green trishops, blood and healing shrines are probably the biggest killers tbh

[quasi crystal]

I loathe seeing a green trishop on stage 2

[dawn meadow]

How does Laser Scope affect Railgunner? Does it just essentially double the damage that her weak-point hits do? (This is what I've always assumed, but bc of how crit chance affects her, I just wasn't 100% sure)

[minor jungle]

yeah

[dawn meadow]

Cool thanks!

[uncut wadi]

Not double, but add 50% total damage

Laser scope adds 100% damage to the crit damage multiplier which is at 200%

The crit damage stat is a bit weird

It's also why crit lenses only really increase weakpoint damage by 5% because of this weird crit damage stat (with railgunner specifically)

[dawn meadow]

Oh okay, interesting!

[quasi crystal]

yeah crit glasses on rg are almost never worth it

[glass prism]

Does anyone know if you die with a dios and the shrine of shaping extra life if you lose both?

Or any combination of revival items like seed of life and dios or seed and shaping buff

[quasi crystal]

no shaping takes priority

then seed then dios/larva

[glass prism]

Sick ok Ty

[serene vector]

is there any lore reason for this? i never actly knew this was a thing

[hoary sedge]

not the healing stuff but the drones kinda make sense bc it's an alloy vulture nest and they're very mechanically inclined, and they have the AWU broadcasting a fake distress beacon (hence the stage name)

[proud depot]

What items are good on mercenary I’m trying to get all mythrix skins sense I’ve neglected the majority of them 😭

[glacial knoll]

Like whatever is good on Commando works for him, just some items like Focus Crystal are a lot better

[hidden nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1224443017444855920/1296819822969094215/image.png?ex=6713ad13&is=67125b93&hm=5807503c5c9c4c7b343b90d14f893ac5921ebe4943bd27af5c44713e54dbec37&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=486&height=440 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1224443017444855920/1296819823342518342/image.png?ex=6713ad13&is=67125b93&hm=83802d7612bbb62e905b3e8abcf93d9d03fc7346d9828a4124c83956d081b69d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=483&height=438
Someone help why is this in my survivor information?

[glacial knoll]

Have you ever played a modded character that is longer installed

[hidden nebula]

nope

never installed modded characters outside of once, but didnt play that one

[thorn juniper]

Why doesn't Yes Chef effect items like Strides of Heresy, it feels only logical that yes chef would have new varients for situations like that.

[void fossil]

When playing void feind should you get or

[split elm]

regular glasses, he doesnt shoot fast enough for void crit to be good

[hoary sedge]

also regular crit lets you extend corrupted form really well bc crits give you some meter charge

[vivid acorn]

How do i enable couch co op on ps4?

[high forum]

There's no local co-op on PS4

Only PS5 and Xbox Series X

[quasi crystal]

Is couch coop still bugged though

[simple knoll]

When will we get next patch?

[ornate gust]

We still dont know

[haughty tapir]

what is every appearance of rain in ror2, rorr and ror 2013

[lavish jacinth]

Because player stats are a glitchy mess, a while back there was someone in here whose stats said they had over 100 years of playtime as a lesser wisp

[hidden nebula]

OKAY THANKS HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[glacial knoll]

distant roost, siren's call, sundered grove, commencement, returns item umbrella

[fickle rose]

Is there a garunteed way to obtain MUL-T's Saws Ive been at it for 2 hours its always clay dunestriders i cant anymore

[charred tundra]

Wasn't it raining on the Risk of Rain stage?

Oh no wait it was a clear sunset

[lavish jacinth]

Unfortunately no, aside from using RealerCheatUnlocks. Just gotta get lucky on stages with overlords.

Protip for when you get one though, that unlock is notoriously finicky and has a bug where it may not count if the overlord dies to the preon's tendrils. So try to fire it at point blank so only the center ball hits, and avoid proc items that might steal the kill

[quaint dock]

will printing my prayer beads one by one give more stats than just scrapping all of them?

[quasi crystal]

On the debug console mod how do you spawn ais to be on a certain team?
I wanted to see a 3 way battle between mithrix voidling and aurelonite but they all were on the same team

[trim narwhal]

theres probably a team argument

did u check the modstore page

i think voidling probably black holes

[quasi crystal]

I don't recall that on the mod store but I'll recheck I was quite tired and sipping from the bottle lol

I looked I missed it thank you seriously lol

[full apex]

yes, they are bugged right now and check your stack size after being removed. so if you have 10 and print off 1, it will give you 9 stacks of the items worth in the stat calc. but if you scrap all 10, it will pay out as if you had 0 stacks. since its 20% + (5% x stacks-1), at 0 its worth 15% per buff and at 9 its worth 60% per buff stack.

if you do toss them one at a time, make sure to fill them back up with buffs before removing the next tho

also, more stacks will make them fill with exp faster, but the more stats they give you after scrapping will slow down their exp gain a bit

[full apex]

this is a day late, but i was a bit surprised by this, i thought the variants had lower weights to compensate. i checked in the explorer and they do have all 1 now! so those ones are more likely, which seems wrong. i mentioned it to chinchi to see if i was crazy and got him to confirm as well, so we've got another item for the list lmao

i completely forgor about the seer thing too, which is pretty funny

[brazen sluice]

yea honestly all theyd have to do is put all the maps into a list, put siphoned, verdant, and abodes in there twice, and then pull from the list at random

[full apex]

honestly just having the dupes at 0.5 works the same, since it can handle half choices the same as if it was 1 and 2

its strange to me that it was changed. it doesnt really make sense

[brazen sluice]

yea that works too. i guess what i described would be a pseudo-weighting system, though it would cause issues with, as you stated, the lunar seers. my solution would allow ALL maps to appear twice in the lunar shop

[full apex]

i think the seers just use the list, not the weights

if they were both still options with lowere weights and it used the weights, you could still get a dupe in the seers it would just be less likely

but yea ill put this on the list so hopefully they can go back. especially because like siphoned is way better than roost

to the point that if you are optimizing it might be worth resetting if you get roost.

like get 2-4 items instead of 10-12 bad

[brazen sluice]

yea funnily enough i found all this out because i always reset if i get roost or titanic

i noticed i would get roost/titanic->reset->get roost/titanic again ->repeat like sometimes 10 times in a row. im like "there are 3 other maps to pick from. just choose one of them ffs"

so thats when i started digging

[full apex]

yea
very fnuy

time to make a mod to remove them as a stage 1, only leaving as stage 6

something else funny, proooobably a bug, the new stage 1 from sots doesnt have the correct info for boss item printers

on all other stage 1s they are weight of 2, but have a stages cleared req of 1 so they only show up on loops. but the new map has weight 2 and req 0, so you can get a boss printer s1 haha

[brazen sluice]

i actually went with a different route lastnight of installing a mod that lets me change the spawn-interactable credits for each stage so i could just set the credits for roost/titanic to 300 like all the rest of the stage1 maps. cuz i dont hate the maps themselves (except maybe the roost variant with all the zig-zag cliffs), i just hate the god awful loot

[full apex]

part of it is the weights as well, but the credits are probably the biggest part

like part of the roost issue is getting more drones than chests sometimes iirc, like ive seen people get 0-1 items more often than id like

or well 0-1 chests, tele and stuff exist still

[brazen sluice]

this mod also let me fix the weights too...though only by going with that pseudo-weight system i mentioned by just adding the non roost/titanic maps twice

[brazen sluice]

wiki says they have the same weight for the various types of interactables as any other stage 1 map, but wiki could also be wrong

[full apex]

these are pre sotv because ive been lazy but like

not exactly a large spread haha

[brazen sluice]

yea wiki also isnt updated for SOTS so theres that. it straight up doesnt have data for the new maps

[full apex]

yea we havent gotten that far. i actually asked chinchi if he already has or could dump that data for me so i can update my simulator

even since void seeds were added ive been super curious about the new spreads

i have the sotv data at least

[brazen sluice]

btw is chinchi one of the devs or something? kinda curious cuz they seem to have a lot of knowlege about the game's code

[full apex]

nop, just another dataminer and tester like me

they are very powerful though

theyve got some tools that i dont have or know how to use well

like only recently theyve helped me a lil bit with picking up unity explorer

[brazen sluice]

do you think he might be able to answer my question a few days ago about how much mending orbs heal you? im starting to wonder if its either max hp related or character level related

[full apex]

i might be able to try it out

though they are more likely to be able to dig up/dump a prefab than i am, i still dont know how to do that haha

(which is why idk how to easily nab all the weights myself)

hmmmm well so far this data is a bit odd

this is on me as a player. i set the timer high for ambient level and that also changed nothing haha

ill try to put it on enemies and see if that is different

also, i forgot to turn off waterhazard and its making this super annoying because all the names of everything are fucked up

hmmmmmmmmmm

am.. i doing something wrong here? lol. its not changing at all

the orb is always 80

[brazen sluice]

so is it just always a flat 80hp?

[full apex]

im accelerating progress of a 'normal' run by putting the time up and clearing a few stages. ill get a natural mending enemy and check them.

it may be tied to reward or some shit

[analog brook]

I wish all the extremely talented people that contribute to both wikis could come together to make something the best it can but it's just really split which is so disheartening to see ;_;

[full apex]

i didnt bother testing the heal ticks more but that did change when i changed my hp

[full apex]

i dont actually know who updates the gg wiki, but i havent checked it a ton

[analog brook]

Wolfo and patoto do a decent amount iirc

It's sad because both wikis have major shortcomings and it's like ugghh it could be so awesome and cool,,,,

I've been contributing a lot recently to wiki. gg it's been fun

[full apex]

well this is a bad omen for the orb scaling

[analog brook]

But it sucks so god damn much knowing that whether people go to wiki. gg or Fandom there will most likely be something missing or wrong in both scenarios

[full apex]

im starting to suspect the orb just heals 80 lmao

[full apex]

i feel like fandom has been pretty reliable, we keep up on it quite a bit

especially now, i at least peek at every update thats made

like some stuff isnt great but its largely just because its still untested. like boomerang's page sucked for a while because it was just the logbook, but thats not really 'wrong' its just not finished yet

[analog brook]

Fairs

[full apex]

the vandalization wave after the dlc was a pain to keep up on but the history bot has helped a lot

and by now the trolls have mostly been banned from edits

[analog brook]

Idk how it is now but the chronic page on it was missing a lot, my biggest issue is that my phone is especially ass so every Fandom page takes quite a while to load and a lot of icons usually are missing for a long time, and also because on mobile the ads cover the entire screen but that's like yea

[brazen sluice]

yea btw my previous comments about the information for the stage credits on the wiki were based off the .gg wiki

[full apex]

that said i know a lot of people dislike fandom for other reasons, but right now its the only wiki where i know and have ez access to the admins and stuff and those who edit it most i know at least a few are miners like me or chinchi

though wolfo is also very powerful

[full apex]

yea we only recently got to that one. that item is a bit dense lol

[brazen sluice]

yea fandom is ass on mobile as well as on pc with slow internet

[full apex]

when the gg was still first being made it directly ported every fandom page, so all the older stuff like the director page should be 1 to 1, at least for before any changes to the fandom.

[analog brook]

If the ads taking up the entire screen weren't bad enough, clicking them to go away will still make them come back in like 20 seconds which is like???????

[full apex]

also yea on pc with ad block i have no issues but on mobile fandom is a pain to deal with just by nature of all the junk it throws on the screen lmao

ive thought about copying over updates from fandom to gg but it would just be so much work, so we felt it would be better to finish updating fandom for all the new content and then port it over again all at once

[brazen sluice]

personally i use ublock on pc so that speeds it up tenfold immediately. i then use ublock to block all the elements that arent relavant to the wiki in question, like the section advertizing completely unrelated wikis, things like that. that speeds it up by like another double

[analog brook]

I'm actually suprised you're not an admin or anything, in my head I imagined you to be like one of the biggest contributors and basically running the wiki for the most part 💀

[brazen sluice]

yea youre definitely the most active discord mod at least

[analog brook]

If I could do anything to help out with accessability or anything I'd 1000% love to, Itd honestly be cool to see the wiki channel in the discord become more active

But i am also like, pretty much a nobody so idk what I could do LOL

[brazen sluice]

i like to point people to the runescape3 wiki as the gold standard for wikis lol. best damn wiki ive ever seen

probably one of the worst ive seen was the stonehearth wiki...whichever admin decided a good color pallet for the entire wiki to follow was white text on bright yellow background needs to be banned from every wiki on the planet

[full apex]

oh right theres a wiki channel here LOL

i use the wiki server or the wiki channel in my lab server lmao

[full apex]

also honestly chinchi has been doing most of the major updating, im not good with formatting things well. and there are some others who do a loooooooooot of work on other aspects

they do lots of file management and images and stuff

[solemn lark]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[full apex]

btw @brazen sluice ive been just leaving this run open in the background and periodically murdering everything and every single time the mending orbs are 80

so i think it actually just is always 80

[full apex]

it seems fine for me, i just changed the volume a few times and it was accurate

[daring cloak]

Likely

I notice they only heal a teeny tiny bit later on in runs and when playing tankier characters like fs

[fresh umbra]

Is mul-t’s scrap launcher worth learning/using

[daring cloak]

But can heal almost half hp early on

[full apex]

yea its pretty solid

[brazen sluice]

interesting. i might put that on the wiki myself...after my run

[steady stone]

It's pretty good, but I'd say better used with retool. If you do run it power mode, run it secondary, as the missiles work like artificer on cooldown. It's basically just secondary burst damage, pretty good.

Personally I'd run nail gun for constant DPS as a primary

But double scrap doesn't sound bad either, while one is recharging

I doubt the cycle is long enough to hotswap like rebar though, because cooldown

[full apex]

Double scrap works pretty well

They line up with each other fairly well, though there'd be a bit of desync with attack speed

i made this a little while ago, just killing a titan with each combination

i highlighted scrap

saw retool setups here suck so i left out scrap saw, but thats because canceling saw is just bad. in reality if you ran something like scrap saw, it would be more like saw is your primary dps option with scrap as an alternate to offer a ranged attack

basically scrap is a middling option that behaves similarly to rebar, but has potential to be stronger with aoe (as this is all single target in the chart) at the cost of a projectile being a bit harder to use well

[steady stone]

Yeah I feel if it was stronger but with a long cooldown to emphasize secondary it would be my favorite tbh

[full apex]

i do find it fun to use

[steady stone]

What's the base cooldown on all 4?

[full apex]

i dont really use rebar much at all, im more likely to replace it with scrap since i find the projectile fun

uhhhh 6?. i dont rember hold on a sec

i have the game open lol

o shit im way off wtf is my brain is 2s lmao

secondary is 6 lol. you can fire all 4 and reload in ~3s

[steady stone]

Not bad

[full apex]

so 1s to fire, 0.5s to retool, 1s to fire, 0.5s to retool, and your second scrap is basically up right then

its pretty tightly loopable like that, though thats also the reason that it will be more prone to desync if you get a bunch of attack speed. youll unload faster than the second slow can reload. but i dont think it would be particularly bad and its still a dps increase

with enough AS youd just stop canceling, which is the same as rebar

[steady stone]

Do cooldowns scale like the new arti m1?

[full apex]

nop

[steady stone]

Ah, so only rebar really gets better with AS

[full apex]

they programmed that in for 4 skills specifically, both of artis m1s, chefs dice, and chefs boosted dice (which is the funny because its useless on that it cant be used multiple times lol)

[full apex]

it still gets better

[steady stone]

Oh dude I forgot arti had a 2nd m1

[full apex]

faster unload = reload sooner

but with 1s unload and 2s reload, you are improving the shorter portion so

probably not as good overall. but you could choose to focus on other damage items in that case.

[steady stone]

Rebar just gets it better I guess, with not having to retool at all

[quasi crystal]

Does lysate let you use multiple boosted dies

[full apex]

i assume it should, but yes chef resets all your CDs already

[quasi crystal]

Truly a good use of resources

[full apex]

it probably takes longer for rebar to stop being worth canceling since the endlag is so terrible

mm although maybe not tooooo much since retool time is included either way, though the retool anim also shortens. thats only a marginal improvement though as the global 0.5s CD becomes retool's throttle

[brazen sluice]

hmmm, how well does work in an equipment drone?

would it just kill itself?

[steady stone]

No, actually

Drones have insane Regen, it works surprisingly well

[daring cloak]

Tincture itself cant kill the user but yeah putting that on an equipment drone is basically turning it into a suicide bomber

[steady stone]

Assuming it doesn't like die to external factors it will do fine, but watch out for it hitting you

[daring cloak]

Nah

It hitting you is actually a VERY good idea

[steady stone]

It's probably the most fun use of an equip drone tbh

[steady stone]

Pennies yeah but still

[full apex]

would probably scale pretty well tho meyb

he does murderate himself tho it never drops

[steady stone]

The cooldown is enough for him to still have positive health gain

Although with twisteds I'm sure it's a lot weaker nowadays

[full apex]

it seems like he isnt ever dropping it in combat

he does get use ambient level tho so he would scale with the timer

[steady stone]

SDP and you got a flaming attack helicopter

[full apex]

with 15 recharge items its 9s CD

[steady stone]

Would there be a way to give drones items btw? Like through evolution or something?

[full apex]

naturally or with mod shenans?

naturally no

[steady stone]

Ah, sad

[full apex]

side note in regards to evolution:
i recently messed with it and realized voidling doesnt get the evo items haha. presumably because hes on the void team, seed void enemies dont either.

[livid wedge]

Do the chainguns given to engis turrets by sdp also proc its items?

[full apex]

yea they have 100% proc coeff

[steady stone]

He kind of has to be on void side though because the random spawns on like P2 or whatever

[brazen sluice]

ok yea god damn this thing is doing god's work...though it is constantly low hp

[livid wedge]

Oh good

[full apex]

imagine if you could give him ignition tank lmao

[steady stone]

Granted the random beetles don't do much to him, but they could...

[full apex]

it actually would disable his regen

second helfire oversight, only the first was fixed

[brazen sluice]

yea its already dead 😦

[daring cloak]

Ye tincture drones are like toddlers

You constantly need to nurture and protect them for them to survive

[quasi crystal]

Imagine if you could give them gloop and elixirs

[steady stone]

Just stand near your turrets with a tincture and you all have razorwire too

Bungus will out heal anyday

The only downside of this from a drone is that you can't use pennies

[quasi crystal]

True but with the equipment drone I can play as someone I enjoy

[brazen sluice]

hmmmm, @full apex heres one for you: why do templars always get stuck on the wall leading to the island on scorched acres? i always assumed it was due to pathfinding nodes, but wouldnt that affect everything, not just templars?

[steady stone]

They slow down revving and hit the jump pad but don't make it I'd assume

And get stuck on the ledge

Either that or they're just slightly too tall

That's the Grovetender map right?

[brazen sluice]

no i mean that one barrier on the bridge leading to the island

[brazen sluice]

yes

[steady stone]

I'm not envisioning this well lol

[brazen sluice]

i was just on the map, but i just died so cant give a screenshot

[steady stone]

I assumed you meant the one higher up area accessible via jump pad that almost every enemy took

[brazen sluice]

no the massive island with the giant hill

[full apex]

hmm

[brazen sluice]

theres that one barrier on the bridge leading to that island templars ALWAYS get stuck on, but nothing else gets stuck there

[full apex]

the squad

btw for this my drone was still alive and got MELTED when they spotted him haha

theyre getting by eventually

[daring cloak]

This is what a singular templar feels like to new players

[brazen sluice]

or rex

[brazen sluice]

i think only because they are sliding off the collision boxes of the ones that are already stuck

[brazen sluice]

yea you went behind and there were 2 that never even tried to path around it

[full apex]

nice

[full apex]

it looked like they might just walk into the wall first and then eventually find their way around after a little while

i dont rember how to turn on node graphs

maybe not idk maybe some of them are just stupid

[brazen sluice]

as someone who hates these assholes with a burning passion, especially when playing rex, this was probably the most satisfying clip ive ever seen

[daring cloak]

Eh templars arent too bad

You just gotta keep a calm head and use any part of the stage you can as cover

[brazen sluice]

for some reason they hit 100% of their shots on rex. its realy dumb

[daring cloak]

Or in the worst case scenario run circles around the templar

[full apex]

found it

they might just be getting stuck on this edge here? or finding the corner node and trying to path to one on the other side, im not sure if they must or always follow connected node paths or if they can cross gaps between valid nodes

[opal willow]

is this their pathfinding or smth

[brazen sluice]

cant as rex. too damn slow and they still hit every shot

[full apex]

these are pathfinding nodes yea

[opal willow]

ah that makes sense

[full apex]

which are also used for where to return from falls

[opal willow]

seems like if they take that one specific path, they get stuck on that weird little edge

interesting

probably because its slanted in some way

[full apex]

im not sure if theres a no target option or something

i would just watch them walk

[brazen sluice]

hmmm, i think this node is the culprit. it might be too close to the wall and then they slide off, then their pathfinding might say "im not on a node, find nearest node" which might be the other node to the right of the wall

[full apex]

i see

i believe this is it lol they are just too big and the slope is perfect to trap them while moving straight along this node path

if they are enough to the right, they are fine. if they are enough to the left, they get pulled in by the sloped wall

something like this

[opal willow]

interesting, off topic but what does Plan and back to food do

[full apex]

so its a byproduct of these two nodes here

one here instead would probably fix it

[full apex]

i forgot to turn off water hazard so my game is google translated lmao. its options haha

[brazen sluice]

yea maybe somehting like this (red is add, blue is remove)

[full apex]

whats funny is that this is the same for both human and golem hull sizes

im not sure which they use but they could have had the larger one bias with a different node to avoid that haha, i kinda figured them might be different

idk how often they use different graphs tho

i dont rember what the large hullclass is either. beetlequeen or something

[brazen sluice]

oh so different sized enemies find different paths?

[full apex]

they can

actually
i think instead of just using the actual body size for some reason the prayer beads effect they made use hull class

[brazen sluice]

hmmm, come to think of it, i think wisps get stuck there too sometimes

[full apex]

if i go find beads i could probably just have all 3 for reference lol

air nodes are different i think hold on

just gotta figure out what the graph is called

here ya go

[brazen sluice]

bro that equpiment drone XD

[full apex]

yea i killed my team to remove the bros and he found a funny spot to die lol

[brazen sluice]

but yea that kinda makes sense since they often get stuck on the left side of the wall, probably trying to path to that node to the right side

[full apex]

pathfinding is funny

[full apex]

the wall traps have saved me a few times from having to deal with annoying enemies

because they get stuck lol

[brazen sluice]

same

especially as rex

though as rex i often lure everything to that other tiny island down below and yeet everything off the cliff >:)

[full apex]

aha found it it is beetlequeen

ah yes the 3 sizes of living things
human, golem, and beetle queen

these are the beeg thing nodes

[brazen sluice]

my favorite things to do with him: yeet things off the cliff, bounce wisps off walls, instakill AWU, and lock mithrix in place in an eternal leafy prison

[full apex]

golem

human

small and medium are the same, beeg is different

[analog brook]

Human is used for characters?

[full apex]

its just a size classification

so those names i guess are references instead of using small medium and large

[brazen sluice]

think of lemurians being human-sized

for example

[full apex]

i suspect like dunestriders or whatever would use beetlequeen because they are beeg

the beeg nodes are more careful about that wall

[brazen sluice]

so if they gave golem size, it might fix the issue?

[full apex]

human and golem both seem to be the same, but if they put the nodes more similar to the beetlequeen then theyd porbably get stuck less

its further from the wall and has the more triangle-y go-around rather than a straight line thats close to the wall

here. i know im putting a bunch of these same nodes lmao but this is queen and toggling human on and off to show the difference better

[frigid glen]

what does lysate cell do for captain?

[livid wedge]

Additional uses of his primary beacon

[frigid glen]

which is his m1 beacon or both beacons?

[livid wedge]

Whatever is in the top beacon slot when you're selecting your loadout in the survivor select screen

[frigid glen]

alright

[opal willow]

can engi turrets use equips

[full apex]

no

just aspects and the fuel array

[opal willow]

not even with gesture?

[full apex]

nop

[opal willow]

dang that sucks

[full apex]

they dont have a proper equipment slot

so they dont even get the passive effects of woodsprite and cant revive with seed of life

if you somehow spawn as one, you cant use equipment either

[opal willow]

so are the aspects and fuel array coded in to work?

[livid wedge]

I'd heard woodsprites passive heal from equip but I believe that is a lie

[full apex]

theyre just handled differently

[livid wedge]

Well, the turrets are coded to hold equipmenr

[full apex]

they get checked in other places than the equipment slot

[livid wedge]

They just have no way of using it

At least that's what I remember from patch notes

Charmlie definitely has a better view of the code than I do

[opal willow]

if they can hold it shouldnt it work with gesture

and it doesnt (just checked) so

[full apex]

elite effects are handled by checking for the elite buff like these two here

the aspects just make you have the buff, so the elite effects work fine. same for fuel array which isnt handled in the equipmentslot component

[opal willow]

what elite is bead corruption?

[livid wedge]

Twisted

[opal willow]

is that also for players or just turrets

[livid wedge]

Engi turrets also get the aspect effect

[full apex]

this is the equipment slot, below this is code that handles all your normal equipment behaviors

turrets dont have one of these

[tacit summit]

is console supposed to not output anything

[full apex]

so normal equipments cant be activated

[tacit summit]

like when you type in commands it just doesnt do anyhting

[full apex]

woodsprite is here, which is why turrets dont get the healing

[opal willow]

iirc you need a mod to get console cheats or smth

[full apex]

is it not giving an error either?.

it should say something

[tacit summit]

but the commands work like if i enter "say amogus" it does say amogus in chat

[tacit summit]

thats the thing itslike muted

[opal willow]

thats not a cheat

[tacit summit]

and?im not trying to cheat

[full apex]

most base game console commands are locked behind a cheat setting that i have heard was removed

[opal willow]

wait so what are you trying to do?

[tacit summit]

i need body_list to work

[full apex]

so they may not be usuable now, and even if they were it disables unlocks

to effectively use the console nowadays you probably will need to get debugtoolkit, its a mod

it bypasses and disables the cheat shenans so unlocks are fine and adds tons of new and useful commands

[frigid glen]

should i go 2 shatterspleens with 100% crit or 1 shatter spleen and charged perf? i can inf loop it rn bc i got a printer

[tacit summit]

well i tried and still nothing and i tried nonmodded aswell

[full apex]

diversifying is probably better and both perforators are incredibly powerful

[opal willow]

trying body list rn its also not working. what patch are you on

[full apex]

molten has a lot more damage potential but is focused more on aoe, charged is better for single target on more mobile or flying enemies

[frigid glen]

imma prob go for molt since im looping

[full apex]

its a big aoe, and can proc on anything it hits. + 3 meatballs is nice

also thanks to burn being 50% total it deals 300% from itself and burns for another 150% which is closer to 450% total

[tacit summit]

1.3.4#290

[opal willow]

that makes sense, you think there is a mod that could give turrets equip slots? and if there isnt would it be hard to code in?

[full apex]

hm there might be, im not sure! though their ai probably still wouldnt know how to use it, but passive effects would then work and i assume gesture would too

[tacit summit]

did the dlc2 break console aswell

[full apex]

there are non player things that use equipment so its definitely doable, though they might not be super smart similar to equipment drones haha

[opal willow]

no im on devotion and it doesnt work either

[full apex]

its fine for me

but i have dbtk

[tacit summit]

i also have it

[frigid glen]

and i got ignition thanks

[full apex]

no idea about base game its been jank for a long time

[full apex]

thats correct then

something else might be wrong if no commands work. are you sure you're using the right stuff?

[tacit summit]

what stuff?

[full apex]

what are you tryin to do?

[tacit summit]

body_list

i need ughh internal names for everything

[opal willow]

body_list has no restrictions either so i wonder why it doesntr work

[full apex]

i assume body_list is a default command?

also i keep forgetting i have water hazard so dont mind the fucked up names lmao

[opal willow]

what is water hazard

[full apex]

funny everything is google translated a bunch mod

[tacit summit]

wiki has it

[full apex]

for base game? or dbtk

if its base game its probably broken or smth idk haha

list_ai works though

[tacit summit]

right it does

okay well

list_body works

[full apex]

yea i was wondering since i think most list commands start with list

[opal willow]

where are the files for the engi turrets and equip drones found?

if you know

[full apex]

im using dnspy to explore the game code

i think its ror2.dll

[tacit summit]

ok wanna funny?

[full apex]

RoR2 contains EquipmentSlot

[tacit summit]

i didnt need that false son is false son ingame

its not liek roboball or brother

[full apex]

false son boss too

[tacit summit]

yeah

[full apex]

theyre actually named coherently

[tacit summit]

whats the difference tho

[opal willow]

im trying to learn how to change the ror2 code, i think ill start with something like this. shouldnt be too hard

[tacit summit]

or is falseson the character and *boss the boss

[full apex]

yea