ror2-game-questions

[steady stone]

ehhh it might be just incredibly strong then but idk

well

ig it would turn into another "skill curve" item which we have enough of

[brazen sluice]

i mean at this point anything is better than the instant scrap we have now imo

[steady stone]

i mean it's good on viend

or rex

[brazen sluice]

how? he literally heals himself

[steady stone]

and the opposite

corrupt R and then heal to full after

but it makes the beam stronger and last longer

[brazen sluice]

even rex doesnt like it tho. youre low enough hp to use the item...but all your attacks that actually deal damage will break your watches now

[steady stone]

i dont get watches on rex so not a problem

[peak jacinth]

no it’s the opposite, rex doesn’t like watches

[brazen sluice]

i mean yea theres that too

but they can still work on him

[steady stone]

especially with mortar m2 you can keep your hp levels pretty constant

[peak jacinth]

any item can work, doesn’t mean it’s any good

[steady stone]

you get almost like a rhythm where after x healing use mortar to go down x health

and depending on if damage is calced on launch or on hit, lantern could buff mortar and such a lot

also lantern makes panic buttons better

get hit, activate dml, kill a bunch of stuff while running

whats the damage boost on lantern, base and per stack, anyway?

i dont actually play sots

[brazen sluice]

wtf? TIL: railgunner's standard railgun (not supercharge) has a knockback. it cancels your

[steady stone]

so does basic m1

[peak jacinth]

should be on hit not on launch iirc

[steady stone]

hence itemless pillar skip

[brazen sluice]

well yea i knew that

[brazen sluice]

wait you can do it itemless? ive tried so many times but i just cant get enough height

[steady stone]

easiest with default mines and cryo charge

[brazen sluice]

usually i need a bunch of attack speed

[peak jacinth]

normal 20 + 20

[brazen sluice]

oh cryoshot...ew

[steady stone]

well its possible default

i think at least

this is the one most people refer to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J20zM2enLg4

it's cryo but the point still stands

only part is it's really precise with certain loadouts

[fresh mason]

Good afternoon, could anyone help me? How do I play multiplayer via VPN?

[steady stone]

It should work the same I think

copy the lobby code and give it to your friends

there's not like region things in this game, you can just sort by ping really

many publics you'll see are in China, especially during late hours

[fresh mason]

ok thank you

[steady stone]

since sots some... weird things have been going on with lobbies, so there might be problems with it

[quick sable]

which reds are typically the best to pick for damage?

[steady stone]

it could also be crossplay, or some other magic thing

[steady stone]

depends on the build

[quick sable]

commando proc build

[steady stone]

generally are off of ATGs

[peak jacinth]

depends, but most commonly:

[steady stone]

is dependant. Like on captain diablo it's fire

[quick sable]

is resonance disc good?

[steady stone]

for some builds, especially FMP

[peak jacinth]

yes

[quick sable]

thought it's ass

[steady stone]

go well on bungus engi together

[quick sable]

is nkuhanas opinion + scythe stacking a viable strat?

[peak jacinth]

it’s a very solid red, not horrible, not top tier

[peak jacinth]

you can make it work but it’s not very good

[steady stone]

if you're guaranteed crit go for

[quick sable]

is that a dlc item

[peak jacinth]

after you get ofc

[peak jacinth]

yes

[steady stone]

sotv

[quick sable]

is behemoth a top tier red?

[steady stone]

it's like watch but AoE and no downside

also it interacts with certain procs in strange ways

[quick sable]

I presume watch is also a dlc item

[steady stone]

like Expose iirc procs twice with behemoth

plimp too i think

[peak jacinth]

very good, it’s a 60% dps buff and has some interesting interactions with specific characters

[quick sable]

is taking multiple behemoths a good idea?

do they stack well

[steady stone]

eh

[peak jacinth]

no, the damage doesn’t stack only aoe radius

[steady stone]

just the radius goes up

[quick sable]

oh

[peak jacinth]

as a general rule of thumb, most reds stack poorly

[steady stone]

behemoth is known just for the extra single target really, funny enough

[quick sable]

is any lunar item worth picking?

[steady stone]

if you can dodge

[quick sable]

and if I can't

[steady stone]

is the best in the game

if there's no downtime on tonic it never gives you the debuff

[peak jacinth]

gesture and transcendence are usually safe picks. The heresy items are good depending on survivor

[steady stone]

if you beat teleporter and have leftover time

[quick sable]

is stacking those a good idea?

when going for the 20 stage run, most of the time was spend loading the tele after the boss

[steady stone]

if you can afford it
smaller radius but faster, up to 3 stacks

[peak jacinth]

it will make the stage 6 moon pillars annoying but other than that it’s not a horrible idea up to 3 stacks

[steady stone]

also do literally nothing but can be cleansed into

i grab them if i see them

[quick sable]

what's cleansing

[steady stone]

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Cleansing_Pool

[quick sable]

btw what are those apparently really rare equipment items that give you a passive

my friend got one with the invisibility ring

[jaunty ledge]

Elite aspects
Drop from an elite and give said elite's buff

[steady stone]

Aspects

[jaunty ledge]

So the fire aspect makes your attacks inflict fire and gives you the trail

[steady stone]

1/4000 drop before SOTS but they're, like, 100x more common rn due to a bug

[quick sable]

what do pearls do

[steady stone]

normal pearl is +10% health per stack

[quick sable]

oh so complete dogshit

[steady stone]

this is irradiant

[jaunty ledge]

is an increase to (mostly) every stat

[steady stone]

it says every stat but not technically

[quick sable]

oh shit

are the cleansing pools rare? haven't seen one in months

do they spawn with command?

[steady stone]

they are more common on certain stages

[jaunty ledge]

I've literally never seen one on a different stage than Aphelian

[steady stone]

aphelian is notoriously the most common stage

i've seen 3 there once

[jaunty ledge]

Yeah same

[steady stone]

no

[quick sable]

guys, is it a solid strat to get a lot of infusions early one and change them into red items in bazaar

[steady stone]

sacrifice does make them more common though

not really

you'd have to keep 1 for the health to stay

and you'd have to bank on the RNG taking all but 1

on command just take for reds

[quick sable]

yeah but if u pick like 11 of them first items of the game with command ofr example

[quick sable]

dlc item too?

[jaunty ledge]

Yes, SotV

[steady stone]

it lets you do this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/943509112258428958/1241497432756326410/Risk_of_Rain_2_05-18-2024_17-7-2-746.mp4?ex=670cdf55&is=670b8dd5&hm=1e7d1393f1c02e46fea798ec97d77bbc41dd3cbd411701b7f7341f0c68c9c80d&

every time you go it resets back to scrap

[quick sable]

does clover stacking do anything?

[steady stone]

each one is a reroll

[quick sable]

if I understood the item correctly wouldn't you only need a few?

what item needs 40 rerolls for?

[steady stone]

let's say ATG for example

10% chance to proc

If it doesn't land on that 10%, it tried 1 more time per clover

so with enough, all of my procs are like a 98% chance at once

but reroll does NOT mean "double" chance

also i was going for voidling logbook

so hence why i needed so many

[hoary sedge]

it also helps with elite aspect drops so it's kinda mandatory for shared design runs

[glacial knoll]

it's double the chance in the same way 7 tougher times is 100 block chance

[livid wedge]

What

[brazen sluice]

on every rng event in the game (like weather or not your fires, weather or not causes bleed, etc), if you did NOT get a favorable outcome (eg did NOT fire), will reroll the chance. this will keep happening until either you get a favorable outcome or the game has run through all the clovers you have (aka 2 clovers will alow up to 2 rerolls)

[quick sable]

what's the optimal amount of them

usually

[brazen sluice]

this game is far too complex to answer that properly, but typically people tend to go for as many as they can get.

[brazen sluice]

also pro tip: using command feels like a nice power trip, but its basically cheat mode. so is sacrifice. admittedly i personally used it in the early game for a bunch of the achievements, but relying on it for regular "just having fun" runs tends to turn you into an unskilled player. if youre enjoying it, sure do what you want, its a singleplayer game, but i speak from experience when i say that enjoyment tends to wear off quickly. its much more fun to work on improving your skills. besides, getting randomized drops is typically good for teaching you what items are and arent good as you kinda get forced into just rolling with what the game gives you and trying it out

[jaunty ledge]

I've never thought of sacrifice as a cheat mode. It just changes the way items drop. Sure, you can get a LOT more but its not really "cheating"
Command I feel depends on the person. I personally don't think its cheating but you do, etc.

[brazen sluice]

also im not pleased....i just had my run ended thanks to a jump pad

[jaunty ledge]

F

[brazen sluice]

was at like 75% hp, took that jump pad on sky meadows that takes you cross map...died on impact

i think jump pads should give you fall damage immunity until you either hit the ground or use an ability that moves your character

[eternal storm]

oh yeah i always found it really weird that jump pads could punish you for using them

its a good thing half the survivors have some way to negate fall damage because if they didnt jump pads would be way more annoying

[eternal storm]

imo it only really feels like cheating if you abuse stage 1 and get like 200 items and then obliterate everything in your path after that but it takes so long to do that anyway

[chrome ocean]

What is Acrid In base of Terms? (damage Dealer? or movement or Whatever) Because my Friend took The Items That he needed from a Guide and He didnt do Any damage At All, He basically Just Ran away 24/7. Any advice?

[eternal storm]

well he doesnt hit very often and his main source of damage is his very powerful poison so you kind of just hit and run
mobility is good since it makes his shift skill launch him further, aoe or on kill items such as gasoline are also good on him since he's likely to have a lot of enemies low at the same time

although if you're running blight things you will have to be more aggressive

generally its not a good idea to melee with him but if you feel like you wont be punished for going up to an enemies face and spamming m1 you can do that

[full apex]

A big big part of the game experience at core is navigating stages efficiently, using your time wisely, deciding when it's good enough to move on or whether you can afford the time to try and be a bit more thorough. If you waste too much time running to a scrapper every single time you get a meh item instead of all at once later in the level, you can fall behind. Likewise, if you speed through stages and dont collect enough loot, the exponential difficulty ramping will eventually crush you. Managing your time spent and loot per stage is a very core idea of risk of rain as a concept, down to the meaning of the name.

Sacrifice ties your item income directly to the difficulty coefficient. As it gets harder, you get more loot. Its literally impossible to make poor decisions or have poor play related to your planning, because sacrifice is constantly recorrecting for you. Spent too much time? Doesn't matter, timer is up so more items for you now to correct. Speedran 4 stages and only have 3 items? The difficulty will be much higher now, you'll catch up quickly.

Etc

Its not necessarily bad and it can be fun, but the only real strategy is pushing until its just barely too hard, and then coasting your higher drop rates until its time to ramp again. Going too slow won't punish you, so the only mistake you can make is realizing you are behind but still aggressively spamming stages without getting any items. And even then, the drop rates can get high enough that you'd have to be purposely skipping dropped items in order to fail

[eternal storm]

you can also cancel the melee animation by sprinting, if you sprint as soon as you hit an enemy with m1 you can cancel the rest of the animation and attack again immediately

[chrome ocean]

What Are The Best Items For Acrid? Because i Feel Like, The ones we used from the Guide wasnt strong at all.

like, ur opinion whats for u the best items for acrid?

[full apex]

Youd be surprised haha, poison isnt as crazy as it sounds. A hit and run style can work, but higher aggression abusing his mobility and increased base damage+regen+armor is usually more consistent

[eternal storm]

oh i might try something like that

[jaunty ledge]

Incredibly fair points. Didn't think about the difficulty scaling, definitely a wrong move on my part
I agree tbh

[full apex]

In which case just generally good items are safe, proc chains, mobility, some stuff can help his regen from bite or 3rd m1 feel better like tougher times letting you stay aggressive for longer, focus crystal is a great pickup

[eternal storm]

i like a couple of mobility items like goat hoofs and energy drinks along with maybe focus crystals or ap rounds or delicate watches which can increase the poison damage, gasoline and will of the wisp are nice and unstable tesla coil is pretty good on him

ofc the items that are good on all characters will remain good

[chrome ocean]

okay thanks

[eternal storm]

np

[full apex]

Ceremonial daggers can be nice with poison since they can help chain reactions finishing off low hp enemies

[eternal storm]

oh yeah on kill items in general are nice on acrid

[full apex]

They're almost always great but when you are prone to getting enemies at 1hp its quite nice

[eternal storm]

yea

[full apex]

Ive know folk who skip daggers cause they are a key catalyst to autoplay

[eternal storm]

some of the proc chains i see on daggers are nuts every enemy just dies by themself

[full apex]

Reminds me of the first times using command waaaay back in the day, my go to memery was trying to stack so many wisps that one enemy dying nuked the entire stage, with daggers to pick off the next wave lmao.

I had a friend who kinda struggled with the game normally so they liked to mostly play command and they would get jokingly mad at me once the wisps hit critical mass lol.

[eternal storm]

maybe i should try that sometime i havent played with command in a while

[full apex]

its probably not better than proc chains, though nowadays forgive me please makes it extra broken. if you were gonna mess with it you could try without first, its funnier when enemies actually spawn a few time but FMP makes that just never happen haha

at some point i did the same thing with only gasoline because of how the burns stack up, waaaay slower but much funnier

[eternal storm]

proc chains are probably the most effective but its command so you can basically do whatever and youll eventually reach a point where everything just instantly dies

[marble osprey]

It's less immediately good but wisp and gasoline have some of the best stacking in the game which is why it gets to the "everything dies immediately" point faster

[peak jacinth]

I don’t think this should be true. Ukulele should be hitting every enemy on the stage at a lower number of stacks than wisp

[livid wedge]

Yes but the damage on uku doesn't scale with stacks, just number

Wisp stacks radius and damage

[full apex]

yea and atg homing is fnuy

[peak jacinth]

yea but uku isn’t your source of damage in a proc chain

[full apex]

wisp is very silly but you need to get it to where the aoe is BEEG and also the damage is enough that dealing 1/4 damage on the edge isnt an issue

because iirc its sweetspot falloff, and since thats the outer 50% of the aoe the majority of it will probably be in that zone for a while

[steady stone]

something something warped echo jank got posted in discussion if you want to look into it, might be interesting
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/943509112258428958/1295116753818619904/Risk_of_Rain_2_2024-10-13_16-06-23_-_Trim.mp4?ex=670d7af8&is=670c2978&hm=555abccf93dd4bc14d92aa71f6fb9a79e0bbdb746af43b75b9b643c144987e0f&

mithrix picked it up and got force killed or something

[peak jacinth]

the damage of other proc items scales faster than the damage of wisp and the aoe of uku scales faster than the aoe of wisp, so overall it should reach the killing everything point faster

[marble osprey]

But then you're stacking a variety of items

[steady stone]

most janky item we've ever seen for this boss fight i swear

[full apex]

god dammit how is echo so broken???

i dont understand haha

it shouldnt be that bad.....

[peak jacinth]

that really doesn’t matter if it’s still faster overall

[marble osprey]

Picking up several items to reach the same effect as picking up one is not faster

[livid wedge]

Warped echo probably one of my favorite whites

[full apex]

i wonder if the echo jank will resolve itself after fixing the problems on players.

[peak jacinth]

40 stacks of wisp vs 20 stacks of uku and 10 stacks of atg is faster…

[steady stone]

i'd say my most likely guess is it for some reason stored the beetle guard damage to be split when he got it? that or the huntress damage

some obscure extra item damage maybe

they did some magic to patch the invincibility so who knows what they added there

[marble osprey]

58 meter radius on uke as opposed to 105 meters for wisp
Damage would take a bit to calc some estimates but I'd bet damage on wisp is higher as well

[steady stone]

those are completely different though

radius on ukulele isnt as important as on wisp with infinite pierce and damage scaling

generally stop at like 3 ukes

[peak jacinth]

also this is just us talking about scaling, haven’t even mentioned the fact that you need damage and procs to make an on-kill build useful in the first place

can’t activate your on-kills if you can’t kill anything

[steady stone]

you cant compare warbanner to gasoline just because they have radius scaling is what i'm getting at

[peak jacinth]

or i guess you can use FMP, but that’s not entirely fair

[marble osprey]

Little bit of damage calcs have been completed
Let's assume there's the exact max number of enemies these ukes can hit (41) in range, and we're using commando
On average, one full shot of his primary will deal 24,480% base damage with this setup
One enemy dying with the wisps would deal 11,270% base damage per enemy for a total of 462,070% damage
You'd have to shoot his primary 19 times to beat the damage of one single enemy dying
The suggestion of sticking to 3 ukes and going with 27 atgs instead does work better, changes it to an average of 14,465% damage with only needing 7 enemies which reduces the wisp damage to a total of 78,890% damage, or only needing to fire his whole primary 6 times to match one enemy dying
For FMP curiosity, I used a capacitor hit instead which ends up at a total of 72,324% damage with one capacitor hit vs 632,120% damage with one FMP usage

[peak jacinth]

you really took those numbers seriously huh, they were just a random example I picked based off of 20 uku’s being the maximum effectiveness

[marble osprey]

I also used other numbers, they all end up with similar results. The point stands regardless of what numbers I use, you're free to give others for me to try if you want

Don't get me wrong here, uke and atgs are better items, but wisp does have better stacking

[peak jacinth]

wisp has undeniably better stacking, but it doesn’t have faster stacking

uku literally has an upper limit of stacks to how useful it is

[pearl hornet]

how many hooves is the sweet spot for artificer

[peak jacinth]

that’ll be pretty player dependent, Id see how 10 feels then go from there

[full apex]

ok you're gonna love this

i figured out why the laser tickrate stays permanently

its fucking hilarious. the laserfathercharged has the fire freq in it. the state isnt destroyed when FS body clone is

this is how the tick rate increses

notice that its no =? its not setting based on your AS. its adding to it. its never reset.

so not only does the laser not reset between runs, every time this code runs, the laser freq is added to again, not set

which means... you guessed it...

its completely fucked

every time the laser is fired the AS scaling is added. so every use compounds and added the AS boost again

over and over

so if you any AS buffs, every single time you use the laser it gets multiplied up by that

so it ramps AS inifinitely for free, AND it persists between runs

[livid wedge]

The sots update was such a work of art

[full apex]

or well
it doesnt touch your AS stat but the freq keeps going up i mean.

i love sots

QA testers dream. i havent worked in QA for a long time now so getting back to right proper QA feels good

[livid wedge]

I was gonna take a nap but I'm kind of tempted to see how silly I can get false son before I get bores

[full apex]

in theory it should work for multiple False Sons

which means in a MP game where a bunch of FSs prioritize attack speed and spamming laser off CD, theyll all be infinitely ramping each others tick rate hahaha

[livid wedge]

Why... would a players variable affect anothers...

[full apex]

because its just in the statemachine controller hahaha

so it affects all FS body clones

i suspect the code was supposed to be the base freq being static, and using = to scale it with attack speed normally. having just that one + in there breaks it completely haha

and because its a multiplier, not addition, it will ramp more and more and more each time

after like 10ish loops i got the fire freq from 1 to 40.

granted i have 100 syring rn but also it doesnt start at 1 normally so

[livid wedge]

That dlc really was the gift that keeps on giving

[full apex]

because my AS is 15, 30% of that is ~4.5 or so, so its adding 4.5 to the tickrate with each use

so i was a bit wrong about it ramping faster and faster. and by a bit i mean it was way off its linear lol

but still!

you should be able to get some pretty decent buffs in a real game just using stuff like gorags or war horn. or both

just make sure to use laser while you have the increased AS

[livid wedge]

Oh, probably not realistically possible on the switch then. After the sots update, every run increases the chance of crashing greatly. Feels like some kind if memory leak

[full apex]

it can be ramped in the same run, but yea it would carry over as well

[livid wedge]

One that you'd probably only see on hardware as low as the switches

[full apex]

this is a great bug

alright looks like the boss one is a different controller and also not copy pasted. i was wondering if the boss also ramped his laser, or worse shared player ramp. which might explain the laser being nutty. but it is not the case

[left trellis]

this is. hilarious. i love this

[analog brook]

Realisticly what are the chances of them even catching and fixing this

[left trellis]

i feel like someone would need to see a report here
which hopefully they will

as long as anyone on the team sees it it should get placed on an internal list to be worked on

[steady stone]

thats why we're here :)

[analog brook]

Sigh no wonder the patch is taking longer everywhere that is being looked at seems so incredibly broken

[steady stone]

they checkin bug reports simply because so many of these bugs are unnoticable for a small team

they cant have one guy get like thousands of hours as a playtest

every item combination etc

[analog brook]

It's hard to not doom post when apparently everything is made like ass idk warped echo doesn't make sense, FS doesn't make sense, lunar rain doesn't make sense etc etc etc

As far as what I've seen posted about in the code here and In theorycrafting it all just seems kinds fucked

[steady stone]

after the great ror2 depression comes the second coming of ror2

i'm just scared they get pressured by gearbox again and make it worse

[analog brook]

Like the lunar rain in the false son fight is on the player team but then changes to the enemy team during its death animation to deal damage (????????)

[steady stone]

honestly just let the devs take it slowly and everybody will be happy in time

rushing bugs only makes more bugs

[analog brook]

I hope so but from the perspective of someone who literally has never coded this seems like such a mountain of work to fix

[steady stone]

they have teams though, coding in a team is very different than solo

sure you can split it up but you need coordination

everybody needs to know what variables do what

my silly variable names like "randm" would never fly if anybody else needed info

[analog brook]

Oh my god I just remembered about luminous shot

[full apex]

very high, because its in the bug doc im going to hand over to them

[analog brook]

OH MY GOD WAIT CAN I DM YOU BUGS I FOUND PLEASE I NEED THIS THE SPREADSHEET I SEND OVER TO THEM DID NOTHING

🥺

[full apex]

otherwise its a bit obscure yea. the persisting is harder to figure out, but finding the issue in the code and supplying it including the ramping issue (which is really the core of the bug) should make it trivially easy for them to find and fix

[steady stone]

if it's not like a huge essay you can put it in #1172187541349347429 since they read those

#1280065589595078727 message

[full apex]

yea i plan to submit something all in one place for them, but a lot of the bugs may already be tracked by them. though im trying to solve finding the issues if i can rather than just supplying the bug

[analog brook]

You have access to the code right

[full apex]

yes, through dnspy

[willow olive]

The issue is umm SotS exist please tell them to delete it

[full apex]

and im checking values ingame using unity explorer

[analog brook]

Do you know why the lunar bizarre logbook is completely blank and is missing the little figurine

Out of curiosity, so weird it just happened to cease to exist after sots

[willow olive]

That’s kinda bazaar

[steady stone]

someone said the bazaar logbook wasn't even spawning right?

[analog brook]

Yeah, I also have the issue no matter what

[steady stone]

hope they didn't like misclick the entire file lmao

[full apex]

its here

the text seems to be fine in the logbook but yea the model is gone

[steady stone]

Maybe they adjusted the entire bazaar but not the logbook for... some technical reason

or "temporarily" moved it

[analog brook]

Yeah that's what I meant my bad, the logbook entry figure just isn't there

[full apex]

looks like most of the others are fine

[analog brook]

Also idk if it's like this on pc but for some reason using the logbook mid run doesn't let you zoom in or out on whatever log you're on at all

[steady stone]

is the logbook an "entity" spawned in with code?

because if they selected all and moved it slightly that could be the reason for it floating in the air now

like if they used a command to spawn it at certain coords relative to the space

i also don't know exactly how stages work though in this game. Like if they all exist far away from each other or if they all, like, swap out

[willow olive]

If they are an entity then could you theoretically make every beetle into a logbook miniature

[steady stone]

well it seems like it's just if team1 makes contact it collects the logbook

this is seen because squid turrets can collect logbooks

not necessarily relative to the player at all

[steady stone]

source

[full apex]

ive seen ghosts pick up logs many times

[rancid jewel]

is anyone else having a problem with bosses not dropping their item using the gun?

ive killed 2 bosses with the gun and they dropped nothin

[willow olive]

I’ve had a BG pick up the bazaar logbook

[analog brook]

Also double also also I don't know if this is worth noting on there but since delusion is there I wanna point out that lemurian eggs that were locked by a teleporter or void seed will continously and rapidly trigger the visual effects for being locked forever

[willow olive]

Which boss?

[rancid jewel]

xi and dune

also no i do not want xi's item, i was on stage 5 and i just didnt want to deal with an extra boss

[willow olive]

Can’t blame you tbh. I’m not sure what caused that, but I’ve had a similar experience

Did you perhaps have a sonorous whisper?

[analog brook]

Also also also do you have any idea of what could've possibly caused the game to make every interactable permamently highlighted until closing the game? Happened once when I opened it and it immediately semi highlighted all interactables within a certain range. Not as bright as normal but had the outlines. This one is just mind boggling to me

[willow olive]

You have the tutorial turned on

[analog brook]

There's no way that's it

[rancid jewel]

i dont even have that dlc turned on

[analog brook]

I played a different run with the tutorial and all interactables were normal unless I'm tripping mad balls

[willow olive]

You need to do less drugs lmao

[full apex]

seems fine 4 me

[willow olive]

A beautiful assault on my ears

[frigid glen]

you guys got any good merc loadouts? i used both default and alt skills but i cant find something i really like using, any of you got some suggestions?

[mellow bronze]

anything works for merc

there isn't a single bad skill for him but regarding utility and special, it's better to use both alts or both defaults because they synergize well into the playstyle

[frigid glen]

alright ill try that

[mellow bronze]

his m2s are mostly personal preference. most people prefer default because it offers more interesting things. it's easy to do trimps, can hit tons of enemies for AOE and is a small dash if you don't have much movement speed. and alt gives you more damage, more air time and it transforms backup mags into hopoo feathers because it acts like an extra jump almost

and regarding his utility and special, default for both is a more evasive and playing it safe playstyle, and alts is more damage, more range and less cooldowns

the potential of the safety that all default gives is huge. if you master it you can never lose a game because of the sheer amount of iframes and mobility merc has

[trim narwhal]

LMAO

[tacit summit]

does proc

[trim narwhal]

u have atk spd itemless from needles right ? we scaling 💪

[trim narwhal]

ye its op

[tacit summit]

okay awesome

[full apex]

Without hp up actually no

Actually actually

Or well
I guess it would be slow

You don't start with 1 AS, you start with 0.8

So 4 spike buff puts you to 0.96, still under 1.

But i guess since it adds then it would ramp, but it would add a super small amount each time. Like less than 1/3 of a tick

Probably under 1/4

At first i was thinking it would shrink by having 96% instead of something over 100%, but since it adds it wouldn't reduce it.

[pearl hornet]

how do i open void seeds

[steady stone]

To get rid of the fog and locks you need to kill all of the void enemies

[pearl hornet]

o

[steady stone]

The amount of enemies is shown as an objective, and when down to the last few, looking away will create an arrow on the edge of your screen pointing at the last few

[wild island]

what do i do if my game is laggy and 0,0001 fps

its is 3 hour god run and i really dont want to lose

my game is not responding,i thinl its f

[livid wedge]

I think you answered you're own question there

[wild island]

is there something i can do?

[mellow bronze]

upgrade your pc midgame

[livid wedge]

Hotswap your cpu

[wild island]

Thanks gus

[livid wedge]

Sorry, I don't really think there was much you could do except scrap some of the items with more egregious particle effects

[wild island]

My game is still crashed i cant really do that

I will let my pc on

[rancid jewel]

Very VERY late reply but maybe both the items fell off the map, because the dune was close to the edge of the map

[chrome ocean]

I Have a Problem With me and My friend, Everytime We get In a Multiplayer Game it Starts Lagging, Wether hes the host or im The host. And In Other Games it isnt Like That Is there A Way to Fix this?

[lavish jacinth]

first, if you have crossplay enabled, both of you turn it off (unless you're actually using it). crossplay is glitchy and it's best not to use it if you don't need to.
If it's not that, then do you guys live far apart? Ror2 is peer2peer so if there's a lot of distance between you or one of you has bad internet then multiplayer may not work well

[chrome ocean]

we will try that with the crossplay, I Dont live far away no. And how said our internet just goes fine in other games

but thanks we will try the crossplay one out

[lavish jacinth]

well, a lot of games use dedicated servers which helps if there's distance, but if you're not far away then that's not an issue. Could definitely be crossplay though

[spring timber]

I’m curious how do people use the chat to do that sort of stuff

[quasi crystal]

That's a command console

[spring timber]

Yeah like how do you do it

[zenith lantern]

Anyone know why this didn't pop challenge completion for Bandit: B&E? I'd read that the void boss also counted, and if you had swarms on then killing either would work. Is this not the case? Or have I completely missed something?

[slim spoke]

possibly that some dot effect took the kill.

[daring cloak]

No that was the lights out shot

Afaik it just doesnt work on voidling

[zenith lantern]

Oh fr? damn. Wasted a bit of time then lol. Guess we're back to Mithrix

[daring cloak]

Mithrix is arguably easier to do it on anyways

Just go fast and take whatever plain damage buffs (+ runald bands) you can find

And then play it safe in p4

[daring cloak]

Behemoth too

[zenith lantern]

I did that in a previous run and got flattened by his projectiles lol. But yeah, I'll head back. Might just focus heavily on armour-piercing rounds, they don't give him extra damage to me right?

[daring cloak]

Correct

Id go into a mix of watches aprs and crowbars

[zenith lantern]

Sounds good, tysm for the help! 😄

[glacial knoll]

because it doesn't work on voidling

idk why the wiki would claim it does

[daring cloak]

The game isnt very detailed with its descriptions tbf

[glacial knoll]

while yeah it's fair to assume based on ingame description the wiki should still better

[daring cloak]

On a good number of achievements you just gotta guess what counts as x requirement

[glacial knoll]

i corrected it but yeah gotta be mithrix

and only last phase mithrix

[analog brook]

Wonder if it was modded, a lie, changed or the person was just tripping mad balls

[glacial knoll]

unless it somehow removed in the gearbox transition like yknow it's as easy is checking this as far as im concerned

[daring cloak]

Probably also just false memory

[slim spoke]

they prob tripped duke nukem's balls

[daring cloak]

They mightve done sadist on voidling and eventually misremembered it as b&e

[north trench]

does taking dmg with the personal shield generator count as falling below 100% health

[daring cloak]

Yes

[zenith lantern]

Use barriers, they don't count towards it

[daring cloak]

Shield makes your 100% health bigger

[north trench]

oh alright ty

[daring cloak]

Barrier lets you go up to 200% health

[north trench]

@daring cloak @zenith lantern tysm I finally unlocked merc's alt special 😭

[daring cloak]

Damn that was quick

[zenith lantern]

I was about to say, dangg

[full apex]

I use a mod called debug toolkit that dramatically improves the console

[analog brook]

If only there was something that could improve console...

[lofty dagger]

How on earth do u beat a stage without touching the ground as nemesis merc

U spawn on the ground in every stage I can’t do anything 😭

[spring timber]

thanks

[ornate gust]

#ror2-modding they might know

Or u can try the starstorm discord

[sinful fractal]

For commando, how would you rate the white damage items for stages 1-3?
So from:

Gasoline
Tri tip
Sticky bomb

Armor piercing rounds
Backup mag
Fireworks
Crowbar
Delicate watch
Focus crystal
Lens
Mocha
Syringe
Warbanner

In my case, if i find a printer for the top 3,I'd convert almost all of my whites to those in the first 2 stages, even if it means sacrificing health or movement. How important is crit? I was wondering if it's worth converting crit to proc items If i didn't find synergy items

[quiet pond]

Hi sorry to ask not sure if im in the right place but ive just bought the seekers of the storm dlc on ps4 and when i load the game up to play, it shows a padlock over the dlc icon , have i missed something?

[sacred ingot]

i would never in my life trade move speed for sticky bomb

[daring cloak]

Have you tested if you can enable the dlc?

[sacred ingot]

for me armor piercing rounds would go right to the 2nd place behind only gas

[daring cloak]

You can manually disable and enable the dlcs for your runs

So if you bought it you should be able to turn it on

[quiet pond]

I dont know

[daring cloak]

Ok that is extremely concerning

[quiet pond]

The game was already installed before buying the dlc do i just have to uninstall and reinstall the game? When i check the dlc it shows its already downloaded in the ps menu

[daring cloak]

Ok thats even weirder

And it wasnt sotv?

[quiet pond]

Not had the issue with shadows of the void the picture even shows im hovering over seekers of the storm

[daring cloak]

Ok damn

[ornate gust]

Try reinstalling yeah

Might fix it

[quiet pond]

Im restarting my game, then console then will try reinstall

[quiet pond]

Restarting my console has fixed this issue

Thank you for trying to help

[daring cloak]

Ok good

[sinful fractal]

I've noticed i value killing mobs more than movespeed early on esp when i lack damage

Especially if I lack aoe

Stage 3 onwards however, lack of movespeed is suffering

[gilded dirge]

Needleticks are good on burst damage survivors right?

cuz what are they gonna do with bleed

[left trellis]

yeah, basically

[oak briar]

Anyone know of an easy way to complete trick shot for railgunner? I don’t know if I’m doing it wrong, but I just keep flinging myself into the air and spamming supercharger

[daring cloak]

Trick shot was kill 3 enemies with supercharge while in the air right?

[toxic depot]

yeah

[oak briar]

Yea, but I don’t seem to be pulling it off

[daring cloak]

Ye just get 3 beetles in a line, charge supercharge, jump and then release supercharge to hit all 3 beetles at the same time

[toxic depot]

bonus points if you get 4 or 5 in a row in case you miss the lineup

[oak briar]

[toxic depot]

but yes, that's the best way

[oak briar]

That easy huh? Thanks guys haha

[toxic depot]

you can try on drizzle with artifact of kin until you get all beetles

and swarms if you want more enemies

[oak briar]

Ok just got it lol

Was lucky enough to just barrel stuff 5 of em

[toxic depot]

as is the way. nice work. now enjoy the infinitely better cryocharge.

[oak briar]

Thanks again!

[livid wedge]

Does losing a prayer beads to a wrong chest guess in delusion give you the stats?

[full apex]

Ooooh good idea

It should though I'm almost certain

Removing a stack with dbtk triggers the payout, it just keeps track of how many you have so any decrease should work. Benthic breaks because it's inbetween stages I think

[daring cloak]

Can I get stage one pure halcyonites if I throw on dissonance and kin and reset enough?

[glacial knoll]

Halcyonite costs 200 Credits definitely too high for Kin to accept that

[daring cloak]

Unfortunate

[glacial knoll]

Halcy isn't even Dissonance nvm that too

[daring cloak]

Oh bruh

[livid wedge]

I'm on a run with delusion to test it now, just gotta find a chest lying about beads

[daring cloak]

Should be fairly easy if you just take one chest with any item but beads and a other chest with beads using command

Afaik it will always suggest items you have if it can

It once tried to convince me I got empathy cores from a small chest

[livid wedge]

Yeah, I think they might've fixed it in the big post patch because I haven't seen it suggested again

[full apex]

Easier is with sale star

Open, have beads and something else, pick up beads, interact with chest to generate the choices, beads are there 4 sure. Then close it, pick up the other item, and now the choices are already generated and all of them are wrong

You should be able to first try guarantee it with one sale star and a chest that gives a green using command

[livid wedge]

I mean, the question came to mind as I was in this run. Hoping to manage it naturally but I'll probably do command after if I can't

[full apex]

Ooh icic
Yea then best bet is getting lucky on a large chest probably

[livid wedge]

I'm surprised there isn't one here on sky meadows

[full apex]

Most likely to show beads, since i think they try to preserve rarity and so large shouldn't show any white items

[quasi crystal]

can the sots enemies spawn in void fields / simul?

[eternal storm]

if you have longstanding solitude and buy something with the executive card on you do you still get the cashback from the purchase or does it not count since it was free

[livid wedge]

You get 10% of what you spent. Since you don't spend anything (you never have gold), I assume you would get nothing back as well

[daring cloak]

Yeah I'd assume it works like that because its also how hacking beacons work and they are basically like you purchasing something automatically for free over any distance

Since they do account for your card and sale stars

[full apex]

looks like no

bonus points

also yes im umb and forgot which slot i put hack in for this lol.

hacking beacon eats your free chest open which is pretty silly if you think about it

[daring cloak]

Thats so awful lmao

But it makes sense considering all they do is set the price to 0 and then immediately purchase it under your name

[full apex]

yea i did no solitude just hacking and got no refund just like you said

so it makes sense they behave the same

next up is delusion beads test

[full apex]

c:

i love DBTK so much. the more commands i learn the more powerful i become

[livid wedge]

Big mcthankies from mcspankies

[steady stone]

So, I've heard a lot about prayer beads being good, but I don't fully understand what they do. Like, if i took 20% of your damage and gave 20% back, you would still have your base damage?

Or does it store the stats without actually taking them away?

Like I see "Grows in power by absorbing experience, storing 20% (+5% per item stack) of player stats per item level up. On removal, gain all stored stats." but it doesn't sound like it would actually help me

[daring cloak]

Yes

Its worded poorly but you dont lose anything while beads are active

[steady stone]

That makes more sense

when I heard "store" i always thought like take away

[jaunty ledge]

There's also of course the infinite stats thing but it does require finding a printer with them

[full apex]

each buff stack will give a certain % of your normal level up stats. the beads store copies of your exp so nothing is ever lost, its just bonus. when they are removed, base on how many stacks you have (its bugged rn so its how many after removal) you'll get the stored level stats. so thats 30% hp, 20% damage and regen per level. if you end with one stack of the item (such as by scrapping 11 or using a printer with 2) then you will get 0.2x the stored level stats.

so if you store 5 buffs, and end on 1 stack, each buff gives 1/5 of a normal level. because 5 buffs, thats 5/5 so 1 full levels worth of stats

and ofc stacking should add 5% per, so like with 2 stacks at the end you'd be getting 25% per buff, so 4 = one normal full level up.

the funniest issue though is that it doesnt trap for 0 item stacks, so if you get rid of them via printing or scrapping or whatever and have 0 beads at the end, you'll get 20% +5% * stacks-1. with 0, thats 20% + -5%, for 15%. so it takes like 7 buffs or smth to equal a normal level up

having more stacks stores more exp, so even if you end up scrapping with 5 stacks which is the same as anything <= 10, its not wrothless because you'll have been filling them up faster beforehand

also i dont fully understand it yet, but the exp income is reduced by how many stats beads have cumulatively granted across all payouts. so while a printer can be inifinite stats, it will start to slow down after a while

if you get a printer and are willing to lose all or most of your greens, you can print all into beads and then using the printer will only take 1 away, which leaves a bunch of stacks so the payouts will be much larger

if you had 20, printing 1 down to 19 would give like 1.1 levels per buff stack. so 10-20 buff stacks will give over 10-20 levels worth of stats which is pretty good

[eternal storm]

rip

[rancid jewel]

is anyone else having a problem with jp av effects not showing up in risk of options?

[lofty dagger]

How do u do nemesis merc don’t touch the ground in a stage challenge

[safe ice]

its probably just broken atm

its not working for me too

[full apex]

@lofty dagger
its probably still best to peek here instead, i think most of this channel is leaning more on the un-modded side of things.

[minor jungle]

honestly I think it's much better to have some balance between items, otherwise you will die in seconds or would just spend too much of time for looting/killing enemy

really depends on your items, I would love to convert all crowbars in to any other white items as commando ngl

[quasi crystal]

Wish granted you now have a stack of knockback fins

[chrome ocean]

Which DLC is the Better one Of the 2? Like Which Is The most Fun

[steady stone]

sotv is undoubtably better than sots

i think every member here (besides 3 trolls) will agree

[chrome ocean]

Which Characters Are in Sotv?

[steady stone]

[chrome ocean]

oh Okay, Thanks!

[steady stone]

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Survivors_of_the_Void
list of everything added

[full apex]

[steady stone]

it adds some of the most iconic items

[minor jungle]

sotv 100%

[full apex]

jk i agree i think sotv is a better experience if you intend to get only one or start with only one.

[minor jungle]

sots still wip and there much less content

[steady stone]

sots is good if you havent played before because sotv spoiled us

[minor jungle]

nah sots is good for me

but sotv just better

[full apex]

yea. i dont want to doomerpost theres enough of that, but a lot of the new content in sots is janky or strangely balanced

[minor jungle]

true

[steady stone]

yeah im not saying it's not good, but I think the general consensus is sots fits in well if you're not a long time player

[full apex]

its fine, but sotv felt a bit more in tune with the rest. like it added some crazy stuff but it settled into the meta fine i think.

maybe after some fixes and changes sots will too, but until then...

[steady stone]

half of us have gotten so used to sotv that we don't remember what's base game and what's sotv

[minor jungle]

sotv made a lot of changes to the game

I was surprised when discovered that mending are sotv elite

[steady stone]

maybe i should buy sots. Is it in an alright spot?

I tell people it's "getting better" whenever they ask but I'm curious

[minor jungle]

sots still not finished as I said

there a lot of bugs

[full apex]

we havent gotten a wide patch, just a bit of quick things addressing like the fps jank compiler bug. so if you want to wait for the first major push to see where it ends up

its alright but still has a lot of issues waiting to be addressed

[steady stone]

tbh the problem is i have no clue what gearbox is doing rn

[hidden elk]

I’d only do it if you are on PC and can use mods to patch bugs/rebalance content. Otherwise I’d wait for a balance patch

[steady stone]

they've been silent

[full apex]

theyre workin on it

[steady stone]

patch could be tomorrow or in a month lol

im wording this poorly, sorry

i sound like a complainer lol

[full apex]

no date yea but i know theyre on it. we hear from preston from time to time

[minor jungle]

I do have issue with a few things in the sots

[hidden elk]

Knock back fin feels like a lunar to me tbh

[minor jungle]

mostly it's gilded absurd stats and four items that should be reworked + false son (boss) rebalance, because he is strange

[steady stone]

eh i might learn how to downpatch then, for now at least.

i love looping normally so i dont think i'd like it currently

[full apex]

i need to make sure to try a false son infinite laser ramp run before its patched

i wonder how many light flux could be taken while maintaining a decent scaling tickrate lmao

less AS = slower ramp, but lower CD = more ramps

i wanna try in multiplayer too to see if it ramps everyone lol

[steady stone]

?

won't lower the attack speed

[hidden elk]

Movement

[full apex]

honestly maybe

luck down would make procs on the laser less good but to maximize fnuuy tickrate ramp it would be better than lux

[steady stone]

less luck however i now evaporate everything i look at

[full apex]

yea getting a simply stupid laser would be great. i wonder how hard it is to max it, the max should theoretically be 60 ticks/s but im not actually sure if its secretly 20 or 30 instead

actually
once the ramp is maxed AS wont matter since it cant scale the tickrate down unless its negative

so you max the tickrate ASAP then take a bunch of lux to lower the CD and have lols

how does charging actually affect the laser? that would be the important part

[timber flicker]

What is railgunners favorite cookie?

[minor jungle]

the tastiest one

[full apex]

it works, i got high AS with syring, ramped to 60, then tossed the syring and gave a bunch of light flux. 10% attack speed but no charging required, just tap fire and it goes. and the CD being so low means losing duration doesnt matter

[steady stone]

so it just speeds up over time right? but the value never resets?

that's what i'm picking up from this

[full apex]

correct every time you use the laser, it adds the expected AS scaling

so it ramps the tick rate infinitely every time you use it. more AS = faster ramping

once youve got 60 (i assume) you max the tickrate, and so having basically no attack speed doesnt matter. its still adding a teeny tiny amount, but its already maxed

[steady stone]

i always thought it added damage tbh, until i read fireFrequency

[full apex]

i went from like 62.3 to 62.4 from one use, but its not going down and its over 60 so it doesnt matter

[valid kiln]

am i just bad, or is monsoon just too stressful to be enjoyable?

[full apex]

regular AS scaling might do that im not sure

[valid kiln]

well i know im bad, but is monsoon just not fun for anybody else?

[steady stone]

eventually you do strafing and dodging without thinking about it

[full apex]

i feel like its alright, it can be hectic

[steady stone]

just takes time and practice

[full apex]

i only really ever play on monsoon anymore.

[steady stone]

like in Terraria i strafe while reading stuff without even meaning too, it's all just muscle memory in different games

[valid kiln]

i mean the constant worrying about OHH I CANT GET ENOUGH ITEMS BEFORE THE STAGE IS PAST 5 MINUTES!!!

[full apex]

oh

[steady stone]

that is not a real rule

[full apex]

dont do that lol

[steady stone]

get more items than minutes spent and you chillin. or just get good items

[valid kiln]

ok

[steady stone]

i've spent like 10 extra minutes for some extra items before

[full apex]

the 5 minute rule was like really really early on streamers and stuff assumed it made the most sense, but it never had any testing behind it. it latched on because it was said early before anyone knew better

[steady stone]

also "my streamer said it was good so it must be true" is a mindset people have

but not all streamers are experts either

[full apex]

in reality its better to get everything you can (within reason but you get a feel for that over time), and just try to learn to path stages more efficiently to improve

more items = more power, and more stages exponentially ramp the difficulty. so on monsoon it gets really noticeable really fast if you arent getting enough items

items tend to ramp each other to some degree, especially damage ones, which makes having more items a lot better than face value and it already looks great at face value. having more items means you get more chances for powerful stacking or synergies

[steady stone]

also you learn to micromanage with experience

eventually every run is a good run because you make it good

[full apex]

honestly just being ok slowing down will 100% lower the stress, by both removing an unnecessary stressor, but also by making your runs a bit more consistent

[valid kiln]

are they ever gonna buff dice to make it as strong as it's og version from ror1/rorr?

[steady stone]

dice?

[valid kiln]

the primary

of chef

[steady stone]

oh im stupid, i thought like 🎲

[valid kiln]

lol

[steady stone]

not my area of expertise sadly, haven't played sots

[minor jungle]

chef is pretty fair idk

[hoary sedge]

hopefully, we know there is a balance patch in the works but don't really know any details rn

[minor jungle]

it only have troubles with air enemy

[steady stone]

i've heard a lot of people say it doesn't work like it looked in the trailer. Who knows, could be bugged.

[willow olive]

It doesn’t. In the trailer he throws three cleavers then recalls them all at once

[willow olive]

This makes sense with the ammo mechanic. They wouldn’t passively come of cooldown, but instead just retract all the cleavers at once. The “ammo” woudl signify how many cleaver you have until recall

[hoary sedge]

would also justify the 0.5 proc coeff a little bit

[willow olive]

However instead we got the equivalent of some sixth graders realizing their ideas were too big and they stick with the ahem bare minimum

[steady stone]

the gifs... get out of my head...

[full apex]

i wonder if thats supposed to be false

i wonder what making it false would do

this is the full block

[steady stone]

probably them trying to remove the ammo? if no ammo, give ammo?

[valid kiln]

it doesnt, in the trailer you can see a split second before they cut it off, chef throws a 4th cleaver

[full apex]

hmmm

recall input pressed is just m1

so if you pressed m1 then unpress recall and proceed. if a cleaver is already out, then we proceed to the meme block

if recall cleaver is true, its made true redundantly... but if its false, its made true and the controller sets a 3s backup timer which presumably is the auto recall on the cleavers.

idk
i'd have to either edit my assembly to see what happens or analyze the other code to see what recallcleaver actually means lmao

i am curious to make it false and see what happens

the part with the 3s timer makes it seem like recallcleaver is set to let the next m1 press know its a recall and not a throw and i wonder if making the first part false would allow you to spam and throw multiple cleavers at a time or something idfk

[steady stone]

fix chef for us 🙏

[full apex]

update:

either i did something wrong or i think it did nothing lol

[steady stone]

maybe something is wrong with the variables, if anything

like they didn't add a trigger because it was never implemented. or a variable of a variable of a variable or something was changed

[full apex]

its possible its just irrelevant

like i wonder if the code can only run at all when its in a certain state. that would make it even funnier

[steady stone]

eh, maybe we'll see it in the future

i hope the current chef is a temporary patch due to the rush and they will implement the new one, hence why the code is there (totally not because they didnt want to remove it)

[full apex]

mmmmmmm i found the variables but it just seems to be doing what i expect, when i throw a cleaver its false, when i click to recall its true

[valid kiln]

does transcendence cancel out all healing related things like healing drones or healing items?

[full apex]

basically yes

[valid kiln]

so i should scrap all of my healing items

[full apex]

you still get healing but you have 1 max hp, so flat stuff is the same but a lot of heal stuff is % so its a % of 1 which is pitiful. so you cant really use healing items for stuff like nkuhanas opinion anymore

you cant heal shield either, so yea just toss all your healing if you take transc

[valid kiln]

btw you were hella right, 5 minute rule is bs, i stopped caring entirely about the time and now im destroying

[full apex]

now you get to actually have item synergies haha

and, by not zipping out ASAP, youll have a nicer time getting used to and learning the stages

[full apex]

changed it back and the values are behaving the same.

so i think the meme is just as true as it looks, that if true should just be if false and no else case

the true part does literally nothing

[willow olive]

[full apex]

it is running lmao

i wondered if it was being skipped but nah

[willow olive]

So gearbox literally added a useless line of code

[full apex]

i assume it used to do something and was forgotten

like there was code in there that got deleted temporarily but never tidied up

[willow olive]

They were too busy figuring out how to add a meaningless line of code to the spaghetti that is RoR2 that didn’t somehow do something to make a good dlc

I actually came in here to ask if it was known why burn ended all other DoT with it.

[full apex]

update:

i consolidated it down to remove that check and it is still working perfectly in game and the states are responding as they were before.

for reference again this is the original block

very cool

[valid kiln]

nvm i got one shot because double clay dunestrider on stage 3 and there goes 15 minutes just for this one overpowered boss

[valid kiln]

it did help it's just that run had transc and i think it screwed me cuz clay dunestrider

[full apex]

Getting caught by them can just cause trouble in general

One thing thats nice to know is that they can only latch on to you once, so if they do the tendril succ and you get grabbed but get out of range, you can go back for free

[willow olive]

Another thing to note is that if they don’t grab you at the start then they won’t grab you when going back into the radius.

[full apex]

they also must finish their attack where they stand up, they cant stop in the middle. so if you have enough burst, you can try to wait for them to start that right before their hp is low enough to succ, and try to kill before they can return to neutral and use the succ

or just use it as an opportunity to deal damage into low hp range and leave before it finishes to be out of range when they start

[sage coyote]

What would be a good 3 person team ? One person carries.

[minor jungle]

So two other supports?

[sage coyote]

Two newbs

[minor jungle]

Oh

[sage coyote]

I'm thinking no physical separation as in land air

Only I can think is bandit, engineer and acrid

[minor jungle]

Carrier could I think choose either strongest characters or seeker to revive other two

[sage coyote]

Strongest characters?

[minor jungle]

Loader, railgunner, void fiend, false son

[sage coyote]

Haven't unlocked last one so not counting latest dlc. Void fiend too much balance management for me, railgunner you sit there for one extra second and flappers gonna pop you. And loader is good choice but I'm afraid of too much separation if I fly too far

[minor jungle]

I think they should choose characters they do like so it would be more fun, there not really bad character just some weaker than others

[sage coyote]

Agree

[minor jungle]

What do you have unlocked?

[sage coyote]

Everything but chef and son

Maybe some S&M in form of Rex, Mult and Commando

[valid kiln]

double nvm bc literally no strategy works for me on monsoon, try to get good items, die to insanely high leveled, disproportionate enemies, try to go fast, die to weak enemies but i have no items at all

im probably just gonna drop the game since i have most achievements besides monsoon skins and some character abilities

[sage coyote]

How many items per stage ?

[valid kiln]

like 7-8

[sage coyote]

Not bad. Sometimes items suck. What char ?

[valid kiln]

seeker

[sage coyote]

Oh .. haven't tried

[minor jungle]

Rex is a good choice, it really strong, has a good crowd control and some support potential

[sage coyote]

That's true can suck em all in and have loader do a jump and slam

[minor jungle]

Yeah

[minor jungle]

Ehat secondary do you use?

[full apex]

at the end of the day, its just experience with dealing with the problems and challenges that arrive during runs

if monsoon isnt fun to play on, then just do rainstorm

[minor jungle]

true

[full apex]

its better to play on a difficulty you enjoy and have fun then to just flat out drop a game you like because the higher difficulty is too much or unfun

rainstorm will improve all your general skills as well, so if you ever get to a point where it feels trivial or smth you can re-elevate to monsoon and see how it feels. the rainstorm -> monsoon change is more analogous than drizzle -> rainstorm

[minor jungle]

her gameplay completely changes based on her secondary

[full apex]

part of the benefit that comes with trying to clear out stages rather than speeding through, is allowing you to learn more and more efficient routes as you get comfy with the stage and different tele locations and stuff. if you arent super familiar with them yet, your clears could be slower than ideal, but you get better and faster each time you clear the stage. so if you are losing still then its possible more runs will help you clear earlier stages quicker naturally while getting the same amount of stuff, giving you more time and leniency on later stages to path and gain experience, until you are pretty familiar with most of what the game throws at you

but like a lot of roguelikes the learning part can be losing frequently for a while

sory if thats a lot idk just wanna try and help you have a better time yaknow

[frigid glen]

does forgive me please proc ghors tome?

[minor jungle]

yeah

[full apex]

yes, and its pretty nice

its really good in simulacrum lol

[frigid glen]

perfect thanks

does backup mag do anything for rail gunner on her deafult secondary?

[full apex]

i think you get multiple shots while scoped before reloading

but the reload damage bonus only applies to the first

[frigid glen]

oh alright

[minor jungle]

I don't know about damage bonus but yes you gets another shot before reload

[full apex]

180 then 120 so the reload bonus is only on first

[minor jungle]

that lame

[full apex]

heres with 2 mags, titan for more hp so its less damage.

using really low timescale to get fairly close to frame perfect it was like 1s ish between two shots with backup mag, and like 1.2s ish to just shoot reload and shoot again

so like backup mag can help to finish off some enemies or pick off wisps youd overkill anyways, but theres still incentive to just shoot and then reload

theyre pretty similar dps, backup mag will be easier cause you can spam, but reloaded shots will work better as burst for like crowbar.

[stoic fractal]

joined the disc just because i feel insane, has anybody else heard a weird singing sound on shattered abodes? i restarted to get abodes a few times and it seems to come from multiple places on the map, but everytime i find a place where it's loudest, i think the source of the sound moves. my friend used debug and found the sound, but couldnt pinpoint what it was coming from

[quasi crystal]

When mithrix steals your empathy cores, do your cores lose the teammate count buffs or is that hardcoded into the probes themselves?

[quasi crystal]

Stupid question, are you hearing it near the tp?

[stoic fractal]

no it's not the tp sound, it's more like how on wetland aspect you can hear the n'kuhana shrine at certain points

it's really weird, i also heard a gloopy sound coming from one of the cliffs but i couldn't find it after restarting

i noticed the logbook entry has the line "children sing of the storm’s bright light", if this is an intended easter egg it's really creepy

[quasi crystal]

if you have 2 halcyon seeds does it give the ||aurelionite that false son spawns|| more damage?

[willow olive]

1. Not a spoiler
2. No, I’m pretty sure that auri is just a basic enemy auri like the one you fight in gilded coast. So it should have similar scaling if not its own scaling.

[quasi crystal]

aight thanks

[full apex]

core buff comes from an item, the item actively checks your team size. they dont gain/lose buffs or anything by dying/respawning or gaining/losing teammates. just if youve got 3, they get buffed by 3, if youve got 4 they get buffed by 4. they count the whole team size including the cores holder and themselves.

[full apex]

ive had a strange song-esque sound before get locked in, it was strange. it was on every map and persisted post run in the char select screen, similar to other broken infinite sound bugs. but in game, i did notice it definitely had a location, it got louder or quieter based on your distance

maybe it was the same bug?

mm maybe it was more alarmy than songey idk

i found a clip i sent to a friend lol, i had deleted it assuming it was just something random but now i wonder if its the same.

[stoic fractal]

i've had a bug like that on mul-t before, but it's not like that

i'm gonna try and get a clip, but it might be kinda quiet

the first one was kinda interrupted by the wisps, but it came back in the second clip if you can hear it

haven't heard this sound before finding this, also this is vanilla just to be sure

[full apex]

hmmmmmm interesting

[stoic fractal]

you can pretty reliably hear it from one of the pillars of the giant arch if you trimp like halfway up

[full apex]

you piqued my curiosity enough to go fly around the stage. doesnt seem like its more/less noticeable but this is with music turned off and its still there

[stoic fractal]

you can usually hear it pretty quickly after you spawn around the edges so i feel like there are multiple sources, but only the arch one doesn't move i don't think

[full apex]

i think it might just be the stage ambiance

[stoic fractal]

yeah, very cool and i hate it

[full apex]

this is the tree place, its mostly rustly and windy but has some crunchy sounds every now and then

funny this stuff is here, its easy to not notice with the music and game chaos sounds

[stoic fractal]

it's really neat, i probably just never notice but this one caught me off guard in a regular run

[full apex]

yea thats pretty interesting! it seems most of the ambiance maybe is natural-esque stuff, so having something odd like that is neat

sulfur pools has a pretty weird singsongy sound too

its kinda creepy

[stoic fractal]

it's late but i'm probably gonna check out some more of these at some point

[full apex]

yea!

[stoic fractal]

i wish i knew what they were labeled in the files

[full apex]

i will leave exploring more stuff for later myself. i wonder if theres like a youtube video with all of them or something

theres one for the tele songs

[frail bridge]

is there a way to loop after killing mithrix on eclipse? i forgor to click the teleporter prongs on stage 5 and wanted to unlock chef

[full apex]

i dont think you're allowed to go anywhere silly in eclipse, if you didnt shift the tele or blue/gold portal shrine then im not sure

like i think the artifact portal is disabled

[frail bridge]

gotchu, ty

[frail bridge]

you're allowed to go to the green portals AFAIK, hence my question

[full apex]

yea i dont really eclipse much, so i havent messed with it in sots

[quasi crystal]

Interesting so just to make sure I got it right, the cores will be powered down when the item is taken away or scrapped right

[full apex]

nono i mean its a hidden item they are given

[quasi crystal]

OH lol

[full apex]

you can toss cores and they will stay ramped

[quasi crystal]

My bad lmao

[full apex]

but youll lose em eventually without the item haha

[quasi crystal]

Good to know though makes buying gunner turrets much more sensible

[full apex]

this is the item

its really powerful on anything thats not the cores lmao, but you cant really get it easily without mods and its probably impossible on console.

[glacial knoll]

they wouldn't cuz the amount of teamDamage = amount of empathy cores

[full apex]

really?
does it like take their item away or smth?

i assumed it would be set when they spawned

well shit lol

thats actually pretty funny

they stick around but lose their damage buff.

Mithrix's get useambientlevel twice? lol

useless but interesting

[wicked cliff]

is celestial portal the blue portal or the loop portal or the mercenary portal ???

[full apex]

uhh

blue portal is or newt, the bazaar

celestial is to a moment whole, which is obliterate and i think thats how you initially unlock merc

im not sure what loop portal is

[wicked cliff]

im trying to unlock loader second m2 move

it said reach celestial portal in 25 min

[full apex]

yea thats the obliterate portal, on the 3rd stage after looping

here they are side by side

god its bright having them all there lmao. you can see the name for them on the right but my stats HUD is covering it up a little...

celestial is kinda green-ish compared to the blue portal

scratch that this one is better. rallypoint is too snowy.

i discovered i have an add all portals button lol

[glacial knoll]

fake mod doesn't add the Green

[full apex]

😔

dbtk not updated yet?? lol

[glacial knoll]

it's kind of absurd to think empathy cores would casually get 26x the damage

like beetle guard gets what 3x damage?

[full apex]

from being on enemy team or smth?

or you mean with a few stacks

i think beebl guard is 1x hp and 3x damage yea

[glacial knoll]

2 empathy cores and 11 drones would be 26x damage I think

[full apex]

14 allies so 28?

the player should be included

[glacial knoll]

it counts -1 for some reason

I guess to not Include the person holding it but yeah

[full apex]

oh does it actually? wiki says it starts at 3x

[glacial knoll]

yeah

[full apex]

no kidding

guess i'll have to update that

[wicked cliff]

bru how am i suppose to do that in 25 min , that like 8 stage total

[full apex]

yup

it was a bit easier before sky meadows was added because it was 1 less stage needed to clear

but it shouldnt be too bad, especially if you just do it on drizzle

loaders base power level is really really high, so you can get away with not having any or many items for a little while. i think thats what speedrunners do, just shred the game with loader rushing through before theres a chance for things to scale at all

you get like 3 mins per stage or something i think i dont rember. so just find the tele and charge it asap, a normal charge takes 1.5 mins so

yea it leaves 1 min of fluff

[wicked cliff]

it so rng tho like some map it so hard to find the portal

[quasi crystal]

Was mithrix really added after alt skills lol

[full apex]

didnt the game launch with alt skills?

or am i crazy and just too early access pilled to rember

how would mult have worked with no alts

[full apex]

lodr is ver fast so if you are somewhat familiar with the stages it shouldnt be too bad

getting height to see the particles easier if possible is good

[quasi crystal]

A woolie video where he talked about his tier list made like a week into the games lifespan mentions double rebar is impossible

[full apex]

oh right
when rebar was added it wasnt an endlag it was a charge up

we all thought it was a bug when they inverted it and rebar canceling became a thing but nop was totally intended and tbh its good

[wicked cliff]

is it better to do it with multi player or solo ?

[full apex]

hmmm
multiplayer the difficulty scales faster but also you can search faster by splitting up

just whoever finds tele hits it asap and the other person swings over to fight

im not sure tho, i never tried it in multi

esp on drizzle the difficulty probably wont catch up to 2 lodr if you are super fast like the unlock requires

command is always an option too, to min max the few items youll be getting

i rly gotta slep its 4:30AM ive made a mistake lmao

but i wish u best of luck with your lodr speedrunning haha

[quasi crystal]

Drizzle glass is how I did it

[wicked cliff]

how to find mods for ror2 ?

[minor jungle]

https://thunderstore.io

you should download r2modman so it would be easy to download mods

[wicked cliff]

do you know where to find it tho ? like on steam or

[ornate gust]

That link they sent

Is where u download it

[wicked cliff]

ohhh

[wicked cliff]

man there aren't many new loader mods

[livid wedge]

Weird, atm, I can't scroll all the way through my inventory. It de-highlights about halflway through

[willow olive]

You shifted from highlighting the items to highlighting the bar.

No clue why it does that, but it does.

[fresh umbra]

Does anyone know what this weird, faint NES-type sound plays along with the music in-game sometimes? It’s not a constant tone; it changes in pitch as if it’s supposed to add to the music or indicate something somehow. These sounds are not present in the soundtrack on youtube, but i can get a clip if needed. Also, it seems to be randomized

By nes i think i mean like, 8-bit

[livid wedge]

Yeah, the teleporter plays that music as you get closer

Synthesizer

[fresh umbra]

it starts early in the vid but gets more noticeable later

[fresh umbra]

ohh

thanks

[sinful fractal]

Come stage 3 onwards, and I'm using mobile turrets, is it worth scrapping 1 tri tip dagger for potential better dps items through printer or lunar shop?

My mindset is that just 1 tri tip is worse than stacking my other dps items

[livid wedge]

I'd keep it. You and your turrets will probably keep the stacks alive with just one

[sinful fractal]

What about at stage 5 onwards? Where monsters don't last (or shouldn't last) long enough for a low stack of bleed to matter

In theory anyway

[full apex]

If you can reset it on bosses and stuff it can be good, but if you aren't planning and wanting that and aren't having it happen naturally enough you can scrap tritips

Its nice for some final bosses as well, like voidling or the lunar scavs are slow so its easier to stack up on them

[frigid glen]

if i use a lunar seer to choose a stage then go into a void field will it still apply?

[daring cloak]

No

[frigid glen]

damn alright

[tacit summit]

whats liek the average level by st3

[wide parrot]

Random, this game is a rouge like

[full apex]

depends on your time but the director income is consistent so it should be possible to determine a range tbh

i dont know though id have to check it and the best way would be doing normal runs with specifically different clear times and keeping track of the levels

which would take a while

i could probably calc it without doing that but it would be a good bit of work starting with nothing

[daring cloak]

There are also a lot of variables in terms of when you go where and how long you spend there

[full apex]

withor calc'd income to determine avg chests per time based on some ranges

[daring cloak]

I once for testing had to stay in stage 1 for 50 minutes and the enemies only got up to level 8

[full apex]

income and exp are directly connected, one is 2x and the other is 1x but i forget which is which

[tacit summit]

i mean character level

[full apex]

oh wait do you mean enemy level? i asssumed you meant char

ah yea

[tacit summit]

assuming 6 minutes per stage

[daring cloak]

Dont worry about character level

[full apex]

enemy level is EEEEZ for me to calc lmao i already have a calc made for that

yea because player level is tied to income it will always normalize itself to the expected avg

[tacit summit]

well i need it to calculate whether psg outscales guardian heart on st3

[full apex]

like grinding it out isnt worth it because you need exponentially more each level so youll still pretty quickly normalize if you are overlevelled while enemies arent worth as much

[full apex]

like between games?

[daring cloak]

Huh thats an interesting thought

[full apex]

im p sure shield in the ror1 style games is spongey so it changes things a fair bit

in ror2 its just counted like health so big bursts of damage still hit your hp, but in ror1 even 1 shield will eat any sized attack iirc

[livid wedge]

It might outscale it but psg is a white and heart is a green

Probably going to end up with more psgs than hearts

[tacit summit]

heart is 60 flat

[livid wedge]

I know

I'm not arguing the individual basis but the overall

[full apex]

60/0.08 is 750, so you need 750 to make 8% 60. which on a base char like mando is lvl 20 ish

My intuition could be wrong i dont rember exactly but i think ending a run on s6 is between 20-30, so at s3 maybe ~15?.. Id have to try it to be sure though

[tacit summit]

hm

well it looks like on mithrix they go equal

[full apex]

But yea psg being white compared to a green it might be worth comparing 2 or 3 to heart

[tacit summit]

ty for help

[full apex]

Also that would also be lower on chars with base hp up like acrid

[tacit summit]

you become intangible do you dodge all attacks

[daring cloak]

Almost

You dodge all attacks except for void implosions

Void implosions do not care about anything on your survivor
If they hit your hitbox you die

Even if its intangible

[tacit summit]

okay so mthrix pizza cant hit me

[daring cloak]

However viend's trespass and strides of heresy completely remove your hitbox while they are active so they can pass through implosions

[daring cloak]

Oh dont worry about pizza

If you get pretty close to mithrix pizza becomes fairly easy to predict and dodge

[tacit summit]

well ive umbral mithrix so ye has like 3 or 4 of those at the same time

[daring cloak]

Oh umbral

[tacit summit]

in ph3

[daring cloak]

Ok yeah in that case intangibility is a very good idea lmao

[glacial knoll]

Both Strides of Heresy and soujorun do make you immune to void implosions

idk what else would use Intangible in the wording

[daring cloak]

Oh soujourn too neat

[tacit summit]

okayty for help

[daring cloak]

It depends on how you define it tbh

To me intangibility is things like eviscerate

The hitbox is still there but nothing except for implosions interacts with it

Soujourn and the others are even higher than intangibility imo

Since they dont just make you intangible but completely take your body away while theyre active

[obsidian fiber]

hey, if you have artifact of chaos on, i know some explosion-causing items can damage the player that triggered them, but is that supposed to include genesis loop? it just happened to me and it felt bad to just kinda die because i went under 25%hp. I assumed there would be an exception and i'm trying to make sure this isn't a bug

[tacit summit]

intangible like defined in game

[daring cloak]

I am fairly certain you cant die to your own genesis loop

[obsidian fiber]

i just did

killscreen says i died to myself

[tacit summit]

its chaos therearent any exceptions

[daring cloak]

huh thats odd

[tacit summit]

ypou couldve died to any aoe/explosive item tho, if you could show ur items

[obsidian fiber]

i guess it is literally in the name tbf

[glacial knoll]

I honestly thought the same but I guess not

[daring cloak]

WHAT

THATS CRAZY

[tacit summit]

i wish it would load for me

[daring cloak]

Well

Merc can apparently evis through void implosions after all

[glacial knoll]

genesis loop chaos seems fine to me

[obsidian fiber]

i was in the mithrix arena taking cover behind a pillar to heal back up, there was nothing else within a good 5-10 meters so i think that rules out voidsent or sticky bomb

[daring cloak]

Transmitter... doesnt do what I fear it does with chaos right?

[obsidian fiber]

oh my god is that what happened

[daring cloak]

Also did you have goobo out while you glooped?

[glacial knoll]

Transmitter makes you immune for 2s so it certainly couldn't

[obsidian fiber]

it was on cooldown

[daring cloak]

Thank god

[obsidian fiber]

wouldn't the immunity have covered me for gen loop explosion

[daring cloak]

Yeah idk then Id have to blame it on gas or voidsent

[obsidian fiber]

or does it take longer than that

[daring cloak]

Or sticky

[glacial knoll]

loop can't hit yourself at least not on merc

[tacit summit]

you couldve been killed by: , , , , , maybe luminous/ but idk if they have aoe

well and nova perhaps

whos this run as?

[obsidian fiber]

arti

[daring cloak]

Arti is like all aoe

Its not unlikely you just hit yourself with one of her normal attacks

[tacit summit]

yeah

[obsidian fiber]

i feel like if it was that i'd have noticed before mithrix and stopped doing it

i could be wrong but

[tacit summit]

i could go test it but i dont have chaos unlocked and im ingame so it would take quite some time to load the full savefile

[obsidian fiber]

just checked it and yeah arti's full charge m2 can one shot you at base health

or leave you on 1hp because osp anyway

[tacit summit]

do lunar seers show the stage name in interact text in vanilla?

[glacial knoll]

no

[obsidian fiber]

i think that's a mod, at least it used to be

[tacit summit]

okay mod then ughhhhhh i hate when that happens

[obsidian fiber]

so it probably wasn't genesis loop, but just it being so big and flashy made it hard to see whatever it actually was?

[daring cloak]

You could also take a closer look at the seer visuals

Usually youll be able to see at least a few defining features of the stage thats shown

Personally I was always able to determine which stage was shown once I got used to the seer and the stages

[obsidian fiber]

surprisingly, ion surge doesn't cause self damage despite being an AOE

[tacit summit]

yeah thats what i liked doing like a minigame but now that i know it exists in interact text ill always look even i wouldnt want to

[daring cloak]

So with a bit of practice it should be fairly simple

[daring cloak]

I see

[obsidian fiber]

anyway for clearing that up, didn't want to file a bug report if that was how it was supposed to work

[daring cloak]

Ye aoes that are attached to your survivor usually dont do this

[obsidian fiber]

oh ok i guess that makes sense

[daring cloak]

Like ion, acrid's leaps and others

[obsidian fiber]

weird how there's exceptions for that but not rex's self-damage moves on eclipse 8

[daring cloak]

Just hopoo being hopoo

[obsidian fiber]

fair enough

[viral sorrel]

wertus how much time do you have to spend on discord

teach me how to get there

[daring cloak]

I just look into all kinds of channels, take in the information thats shown there and spread that information further

And alongside that get to know people better

[viral sorrel]

youre active in every single channel at once i swear

65k messages

[daring cloak]

I tend to get pretty bored in my free time

[viral sorrel]

fair enough

[livid wedge]

You'll never know me

[proud rampart]

@full apex ok got my first percentage for the chance of getting my hypothetical first stage

you can guess but I’ll just spoiler tag the number ||1.69x10^-27%||

still have 4 more to go not counting void fields

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-4-po-inner-peace-meditation-meditating-gif-916042036749001501

debating if I’ll even touch on void fields because with the item loadout we have it’s genuinely just diminishing returns

[charred anchor]

Does any of the Mithrix phases (except phase 2) work for Captain: Smushed or does it have to be Phase 4

[livid wedge]

Phase 4

[charred anchor]

ok thanks

[proud rampart]

the legendary is too good we are doing void fields

[tacit summit]

if you kill someting with bandit despacito but you proc lost seers do you still get the token

[livid wedge]

I think so

[hoary sedge]

yeah iirc desperado has like a 0.1 second grace period after the shot hits

so stuff like lost seers and runald band still counts

[tacit summit]

do the happiest mask ghosts keep the items from void fields or artifact of evolution

[livid wedge]

I think you'd have to ask @full apex or something as their inventory isn't normally visible but I don't think so

[tacit summit]

does healing reduce void fiend corruption if he has full health?