ror2-game-questions

[full apex]

i prefer yes chef, its more fun and reminds me more of his ror1 playstyle, but to be fair that means i havent experimented a ton with sear

it resets the cooldowns on top of boosting the abilities, so it lets you spam stuff out more

[hidden elk]

I feel like yes chef animation should be faster

Could thrown so many cleavers in the time it takes

[full apex]

but then you throw so many at once

[vast canopy]

whoa you're telling me normal viend utility actually goes faster?

That's crazy

[livid wedge]

Yeah, it's faster and get more horizontal distance

Regular utility curves upwards

[vast canopy]

no i meant the regular one

[livid wedge]

Uncorrupted is slower

[vast canopy]

That chart has it at 21 sec, one second faster than only sprinting

[full apex]

yea but corrupted blink is way down at 15s

but yea being 21s means its within a reasonably similar range to normal sprinting

[delicate sedge]

Do any of you have tips for monsoon? I feel that I don't do to well in it.

[full apex]

theres some good stuff pinned in here, these were my general tips i shared a while back

might be a bit helpful idk where youre at rn specifically

[delicate sedge]

Thank you

[brazen sluice]

is there any logic behind how much mending post death healing orbs heal you for? sometimes its like a full heal even on E5 and then other times its like 2% of your max hp even on stage 1

[trim narwhal]

i think its flat but i havent tested

[full apex]

hmmmmm not surprising but looks like its in a prefab so i cant yoink it from dnspy.

[quasi crystal]

when is the optimal time to release loaders charge punch when swingin

[pulsar nova]

Depends on the direction you're trying to go

[steady stone]

For movement generally release as you start going a direction to keep going. Like release aiming up while going up to go really high up. Depends on the arc and such, but it gets reliable with practice

[vale quartz]

how do i get a girlfriend it is truly a struggle

[vapid swan]

First, enter a monsoon run.
Use huntress, command, sacrifice, and rush through. Get to the 8th stage, do teleporter, then enter the portal that appears.

Hop across the parkour and down to the big monolith, hit confirm a few times, and you are done with the first part.

Then, enter another run, give up on getting a girlfriend, and play more risk of rain.

[vale quartz]

How about a femboy

[vapid swan]

Commando has you covered there, don’t need to worry about a thing

Risk of rain is the answer to all of your problems

[rocky cape]

Is there a way to lock a specific item after unlocking it? weird question but I'm trying to lock a survivor again so I can test something

But I would like to keep my other characters and items

but just lock the single survivor again

[vapid swan]

Afraid not

If you are on steam maybe save file editing, console has nothing though

Which you are, prolly could then

[ornate gust]

Yeah there are mods for that

realercheatunlocks

[rocky cape]

I was just worried that if I did edit the XML file, that since I still had the achievement in the game it might not unlock the character again

[ornate gust]

Lets u unlock and re lock achievements

[rocky cape]

ah ok ok I might look into getting that

[ornate gust]

Mhm

Its convenient for modded characters if u dont wanna spend time getting all of their extra abilities

[rocky cape]

If I can just edit the xml file though that might be easier I was just worried that if say I locked rex, since I still had the achievement if I tried to unlock him again it wouldnt work and he would stay locked

[ornate gust]

Once u right click a locked item it'll get unlocked, careful tho cuz this will give u the steam achievement for it

[rocky cape]

ah ok

[ornate gust]

If u hadnt unlocked it prior

[ornate gust]

Yeah u can just re lock him again with the mod

And then re unlock him

[rocky cape]

alright alright I might try that at some point its probably safer than the xml file editing

thanks

[ornate gust]

Yep and much easier lol

[rocky cape]

and after I'm done with it I can just uninstall the mod and everything will be alright again?

[ornate gust]

Theres also just making a new profile but then youd have to unlock everything again

[ornate gust]

If u have unlocked something and then u uninstall the mod then the thing u unlocked will stay unlocked

[rocky cape]

same for locking things?

[ornate gust]

And vice versa

[rocky cape]

yeah alright thank you so much

[ornate gust]

Yep

But keeping the mod doesnt really do anything as long as u dont accidentally right click on something u dont wanna unlock

[ornate gust]

No probs

[brazen sluice]

legit question: why did GBX decide that making gilded elites take your money and become stupidly tanky wasnt enough and that they had to also make them slap you for 5x as much damage as any other elite?

a single gilded wisp just 1-shot me on stage 5...wtf

[obsidian trail]

If im on path of the colossus and take a newt portal, assuming I don't dream, will I be put back on to the regular path next stage or remain on path of the colossus?

[ornate gust]

It'll take you out of the path of collosus

[obsidian trail]

aw hell yeah, thanks

[ornate gust]

U need to follow all green portals in order to stay in the path of collosus

No probs

[tacit summit]

is there a way to spawn in items

aerolr doesnt seem to have that kind of feature

[proud rampart]

do the stage 4 guaranteed legendary chests cost director credits, or are they entirely independent?

[tacit summit]

nvm i dont need it

[proud rampart]

@full apex

[agile crystal]

Im pretty sure they're independent

i heard it from somewhere here, probably afax

[glacial knoll]

Guaranteed interactables aren't spawned so they don't cost anything on any map

[proud rampart]

thanks y’all

[livid wedge]

Since block rate scale with attack speed and increase attack speed, does this mean captains drones will block more frequently when you have ?

[full apex]

Fnuy it actually should i think

[jaunty ledge]

Isn't just drone attack speed?

Or is considered a drone?

[full apex]

Yea drones get microbots tho

They have their own copies

[jaunty ledge]

That's right...

[livid wedge]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking

I'm not really sure if there's a way to confirm

[full apex]

Im thinking about that as well

[livid wedge]

Even if it doesn't, and is still silly strong

[full apex]

Hmmm i wonder if i could spawn a drone to the enemy team and force microbots and drone parts into the evolution inventory to try it lol.

[livid wedge]

Maybe vengeance could help

[full apex]

Whats a fast projectile? Scrap launcher? Does visions get deleted by bots?

[livid wedge]

Yes

I was fighting guragura with captain earlier and his visions shards got blocked

[full apex]

Oh nice cool

[livid wedge]

Oh, right, vengeance captain would it's own sdp could give him a colonel droneman

So you get there that way

[full apex]

Oh that's also true

Thats much more direct than using evolution

[livid wedge]

Then give yourself more sdp to see if the projectile destruction rate increases because stacking sdp gives more attack speed

I would test that because you can so all of that on console except spawn items on command

I'm sure @daring cloak would be interested in knowing if they don't already

[full apex]

heres another example with a 0 bot boost and 10 bot boost drone

for good measure heres a try with vengeance too

[livid wedge]

So it looks like it functions as expected?

[short laurel]

do apr's deal extra damage to mithrix phase 2? where all the lunar enemies spawn?

[livid wedge]

Yes, anything whose health is represented by a name with red healthbar is considered a boss for apr

Also includes AWU in sirens call

[short laurel]

i figured, I wasnt 100% sure though

thanks!

[livid wedge]

Yeah, if it didn't include boss fights with swarms, the tp boss of multiple elite enemies would be such a pain

[short laurel]

oh yea 100%

speaking of

do the guillotines affect that?

if its a tp boss

[livid wedge]

Yes

[short laurel]

ok cool, thanks!

[livid wedge]

All elites regardless how they spawn are affected

[short laurel]

alright thank you

[livid wedge]

🐀

Damn, I can't donate my microbots to the altar of rebirth

Figures, but I thought I'd confirm since I was ending that run

@full apex thank you for confirming

[daring cloak]

Yeah Ive been wondering that too for a good while

[livid wedge]

Well, there you go

[daring cloak]

And I already thought sdp and microbots simply coexisting was op enough

[livid wedge]

Even more reason to grab on captain

[daring cloak]

Sdp even boosting the bots effect is just insane

[true fractal]

does anyone know what to do in this situation

[hearty shore]

why do skills have 0.5 minimum cooldown but equipment dont

[livid wedge]

Some do. Notably,

[true fractal]

my game froze and it’s making weird sounds

[hearty shore]

i meant why do they have a minimum cooldown even with alien head and stuff

[livid wedge]

Actually, I think cooldown is 0.1 but it does have one

Honestly not sure

Probably balance

[steady stone]

balancing. Not all skills do anymore either, arti m1 doesnt anymore

[daring cloak]

Purity probably

[livid wedge]

Artis does

[steady stone]

also probably technical reasons where using it again would just cancel the skill

[steady stone]

arti m1 scales with attack speed now, and the cap is no longer 0.5

[daring cloak]

Since its a basic second decrease

[livid wedge]

Since when?

[steady stone]

sots

[daring cloak]

Youd be able to get skills down to no cooldown quite effortlessly

[livid wedge]

Alright, I've gotta check now

[daring cloak]

You dont need to because its just true

[steady stone]

there's probably a clip somewhere here

[hearty shore]

Stacking purity is a huge decrease to damage and shi

[livid wedge]

Nah, I need to witness it

[hearty shore]

and one specific lunar outside of command runs is kinda rare

[steady stone]

#ror2-game-questions message

[daring cloak]

No not really

[steady stone]

charmlie lord of game questions has done it already

[livid wedge]

Witness it myself

Experience it

[hearty shore]

wdym not really

[daring cloak]

Its a bit of a decrease but if you dont have a lot of proc items its mostly gonna be a benefit

Entirely depends on how your build is going

[hearty shore]

but proc items are important

[steady stone]

big thing with new m1 is tonic, so i'd try that

[ornate gust]

And survivor

[daring cloak]

Not THAT important

You could get things done with basic damage increases

[ornate gust]

Loader arti and acrid go ham with purity

[livid wedge]

Arti can definitely be bursty

[daring cloak]

And crit

And procs you get to high proc chance

[livid wedge]

Crit is affected by luck until you max it

[daring cloak]

It is not

[livid wedge]

It is

[daring cloak]

How do people still believe it is

[hearty shore]

because it is

[daring cloak]

Crit is

[pulsar nova]

I thought crit was seperate

[daring cloak]

Actually

[steady stone]

crit chance is literally affected by luck

[pulsar nova]

Im getting mixed signals

[ornate gust]

Lmao

[daring cloak]

My god the discussions about crit not being affected by proc coefficient have infested my brain to confuse it with luck

[peak jacinth]

crit is definitely affected by luck

[pulsar nova]

Ah ok

[livid wedge]

Yes, it is not affected by proc chance

I can see where the confusion starts

[steady stone]

crit is just a %

base of 1% changed by items specifically

[ornate gust]

Says in wiki just for confirmation

[steady stone]

as far as i know the only way to change crit is items

with, like, possibly 1 very obscure exception

[peak jacinth]

railgunner headshots

[hearty shore]

the only way to change anything is items

[steady stone]

that was never a chance though

RG doesn't have crit chance on m2

[hearty shore]

or u get ocular hud

[ornate gust]

Only way to get crit if u get void glasses is through ocular hud

[livid wedge]

Yeah, crit chance isn't affected by luck for rg because it gets converted to damage before

[peak jacinth]

well it changes it from a 0% chance to a 100% chance

[daring cloak]

Seeker tranquility would be that exception afaik

[full apex]

base 1% but scythe and stuff give 5%

[steady stone]

[ornate gust]

Oh yaaa, sorry i meant stacking

[full apex]

[peak jacinth]

predatory

[steady stone]

i rember

[serene vector]

u can get crit from growth nectar as well

[ornate gust]

Dam

[hearty shore]

and pearls

[full apex]

is nectar flat or a %?

irradiant is also tho

[serene vector]

% iirc

[peak jacinth]

irradiant pearls too

[serene vector]

its based off your current crit

dont quote me on it tho HAHA

[hearty shore]

is movement speed all multiplicative and shit

[ornate gust]

Are u able to get to guaranteed crits if u had void glasses with other items?

[full apex]

nectar is % yea

irradiant is +10%

[ornate gust]

Tho scythe and them dont stack crit chance right

[hearty shore]

like does e drink bolster off goat hoof boost

[daring cloak]

This is why I think we should get that coin item from ror1/r back

[steady stone]

the reason people say to get both is because e drink is better but only while sprinting and you need base speed for survivability iirc
as far as I know it's not multiplicative or anything

[daring cloak]

Having a secondary source of crit stacking would be nice

[livid wedge]

Not when I have 1500 lunar coins

[peak jacinth]

you can stack pearls, but at 1 stack of each item i don’t think so?

[full apex]

hoof and drink are added

[ornate gust]

Me with a billion but we dont talk about it

[livid wedge]

Yes, but this is 1500 on switch

[ornate gust]

I see

[steady stone]

added yeah but not multiplied, so theoretically if always sprinting edrink is better

[livid wedge]

No ini file to edit

[ornate gust]

Wilddd

[livid wedge]

@fast badger has 2k, I think

[hearty shore]

damn i got like 200 on switch

[full apex]

drink is just a base speed up but only activates while sprinting

they divide by sprint mult because sprint mult will be applied to all your speed later

so it actually adds 17% base speed

[fast badger]

1950+, here’s the most recent clip I have.

[steady stone]

so what is sprint multiplier anyway? what gives that?

most speeds as far as i know are just additive

[full apex]

1.45x

here it is at the end

[fast badger]

Oh lol nvm, this one is the recent I actually have and not a old clip I recently downloaded

[livid wedge]

Nice

[steady stone]

yeah, im just wondering what would actually change the multiplier

[peak jacinth]

it’s just a multiplier applied to your speed whenever you sprint, I don’t think anything adds to the sprint mult

[full apex]

wait
tampered heart adds to the sprint mult?...

[steady stone]

if it's always the same value why make it a variable

[full apex]

what is tampered heart lol

[peak jacinth]

internal name or unused item?

[steady stone]

possibly unused i bet

[livid wedge]

Nice

[ornate gust]

Nice

[steady stone]

like they were gonna originally do something with sprint multiplier maybe but now it's constant?

and they just never removed the variable?

[peak jacinth]

it would’ve given them the option to add it in the future ig

[full apex]

wait it actually gets defined before moespeed

but its applied at the end

69 is the mult

here its modified by something else

[peak jacinth]

rather than having to replace every static value with the variable if they ever added an item that affected it

[steady stone]

nothing on tampered heart on google

[full apex]

oh wait no thats the final movespeed i guess sprint mult is just baked in?..

this is the end speed calc, your movespeed stat is set to 69 after this

70 and 71 are speed buffs and debuffs

[steady stone]

SummonedEcho changes movespeed, originally meant for like the unused Echo aspect?

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Unreleased_Items

[full apex]

so those other effects like tampered are outside the normal speed formula, they shouldnt be affected as much or at all by speed debuffs

[steady stone]

EliteSecretSpeedEquipment exists too

there's a lot it could be used for but possibly just removed, probably one of the aspects

[peak jacinth]

they should make an eclipse level which reduces your sprint mult

[full apex]

i thought so, but tampered is FS's boosts

so his movespeed buffs arent reduced by speed debuffs. interesting

and they multiply, not add like the majority of speed stat changers

[steady stone]

FS as in false son? so they edited the entire movespeed code instead of changing false son with a buff?

oh actually, as the character version? that would make sense

[full apex]

yea
well
they just added more stuff to recalc stats, thats correct

[steady stone]

i forgot false son wasnt just a boss lol

[full apex]

but its a unique way to do it

[steady stone]

more info obtained for the wiki gremlins

[livid wedge]

There's absolutely a minimum cd on arti's primary, the heck are you people on

@steady stone @daring cloak

[steady stone]

you need attack speed

[livid wedge]

I have it

See how my attack slows once I run out of charges and need to refresh?

[steady stone]

#ror2-game-questions message

are you on devotion or something?

[livid wedge]

No, I literally just recorded that

[steady stone]

the min cooldown lowers with attack speed

cooldown reduction doesnt lower the minimum

[livid wedge]

I hate this game

[steady stone]

it was to buff syringes and such on arti i think

[livid wedge]

My mistake

I apologize

[steady stone]

you need both for it i think though. That's why the clip has 100 syringes and 10 alien heads

minimum and active cooldown are different

[livid wedge]

I realize that. I just didn't realize that attack speed lowered the minimum as well

Damn, I might actually play arti now

[steady stone]

so sad fire is bad now because of the DoT bug

[livid wedge]

Was it specifically false son's lunar ruin or stuff from base game that ruins it?

[peak jacinth]

DoT bug?

[steady stone]

#ror2-game-questions message

fire ends and so do other DoTs

[peak jacinth]

???? wtf is that bro

what did GBX DO

[livid wedge]

99 bugs in the code of the game, 99 bugs in the code, you take one down, patch it around, 137 bugs in the code of the game

[steady stone]

needs time is all

assuming gearbox doesnt abandon it, it'll be fixed eventually

[peak jacinth]

hopefully

[livid wedge]

I mean, fixing bugs that end up causing other bugs isn't endemic to game software

[full apex]

they added fake burns to burns, which is why you see enemies keep the fire debuff icon for a few second after they stop actually taking burn damage

and when that display effect is destroyed, instead or removing just the component they are destroying the entire DoTController object lmao

pointless (kinda bad) addition that was implemented wrong and completely broke a core mechanic and went unnoticed when one of the new chars directly causes it a lot lmao

boosted roll bleeds and sear always burns, so using his kit just already makes it happen easily

[peak jacinth]

I’m not sure I fully understand, does this mean that burn and bleed both got worse or is it just something visual?

[full apex]

it should have no gameplay effect, but because it was implemented wrong it causes big issues

so right now, after burns all run out, the fake visual-only burn debuff lingers for a second, and when that is removed ALL dots get removed as well because the whole controller is destroyed

poison and blight cause it too 😔

it can interrupt collapse too which is funny lol, if the burns run out before collapse goes off it gets removed without a chance to deal damage. and bleeds are all nuked regardless of remaining time, so your bleed resets get fucked

[peak jacinth]

you mean poison and blight remove all debuffs?

or burn removes poison and blight

[full apex]

poison and blight remove all DoTs when they expire, the same as burn

[peak jacinth]

wow

that’s a huge nerf to blight

[full apex]

all the other DoTs that arent those ones, dont remove anything but themselves when they run out

yea it sucks

makes me sadge lol

[peak jacinth]

well at least I don’t have to be a blight advocate anymore

until they fix it at least

[full apex]

also arti

acrid, arti, and anyone else with ez burn access in multiplayer will fuck over any of your teammates that are trying to use bleed

chef too ofc, sear will insta rek ur mando with 200 bleed stacks lmao

[peak jacinth]

so what you’re saying is I can troll with molotov, gotcha

[full apex]

im so sad this patch in regards to blight
i still love it, and the dps can still exceed poison without too much trouble for a little while, but once you hit stage 3+ the extra elites bloat the enemy hp pool a lot, which is a small accidental blight nerf

or poison buff depending on your perspective

and since blight is shorter than poison, its easy for it to run out and delete your bleeds, collapses, even FS's lunar spike debuff because its technically a DoT

[peak jacinth]

do any of the rex debuffs get cleared?

[full apex]

no just DoTs

luckily

[peak jacinth]

that’s good

imagine you burn an enemy and it just gets unrooted lmao

[full apex]

so uhh

bleed, collapse, hemmorhage, lunar ruin?

i dont rember if burns kill other burns, the other DoTs that cause problems are burn, stronger burn (), helfire tincture burn, poison, and blight

its a pretty major bug imo so hopefully its priority to fix

monday i'll be sending my bug doc to preston

if you are curious to read it lol

[peak jacinth]

cool list

[full apex]

anything to add i missed or forgot

lol

[quasi crystal]

If you repair an equipment drone while your skills are disabled by fs you can't use an equipment for the rest of the run, dying, getting another equipment, repairing more drones etc don't work

[full apex]

thats

[livid wedge]

Beautiful

[trim narwhal]

false son bug, laser ticks atk spd scaling is permanent until u close the game

chef bug, m2 does less ticks the more attack speed you have

[daring cloak]

I think it would be somewhat important to ask wether or not the patchnotes or the code were unintentionally off by a percent

[full apex]

what mean?

im tossing these in my to-do list for now

[trim narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565729054620385280/1281041789255417907/2024-09-04_19-58-40_-_Trim.mp4?ex=670bb6e3&is=670a6563&hm=18126d4dbd95ed3fed7995d3c2ecf1dcbe52ef14c877abd950c61983275d1fee&

if saving grace 7th thing is included then may want to ask if chef m2 being forced to aim downwards while sprinting/shifting is intentional as well

which cuts the range to like 20% of its original range when not sprinting

also, false son alt r has strange ass falloff and never crits

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287336946896605224/1287988056657236009/2024-09-23_23-59-06_-_Trim.mp4?ex=670bef9a&is=670a9e1a&hm=13cf991bcaeb7bfd78d948e578495b82b307e8c2258ac2291904c32ba94b468e&

[daring cloak]

Oh also also while we're at it

Im currently in a multiplayer run and found some silly things

[full apex]

ooh theres some fnuuy stuff in here to test before monday

[daring cloak]

I got footage of the false son's primary visuals being completely fucked and will semd them later

Sometimes When killing champions with lost seers all non hosts will have them and sometimes even their hitbox remain

[full apex]

so far me and chinchi have been doing our best to try and understand the bugs as well, so that when we give the list it will be a bit more helpful than just random reports in the bugs channel. but having as much in one spot as possible is good

[daring cloak]

Tbf im not even sure if I killed that one dunestrider that it happened on with lost seers but I certainly did for the stone titan

I will also provide footage of that later

On the moon I just started taking damage from nothing for a short time

Like literally no enemy was anywhere near me

I always forget this one but
Pots get launched like fucking crazy

May send footage of that but its rather self explanatory

[trim narwhal]

bruh file too large

[trim narwhal]

https://youtu.be/jwNMQjcapiE

these are the more major survivor bugs i found at least

impacts basically every run

even if you close the game after playing a false son run, even during the run, you can basically always get maximum atk spd from spikes on the laser dmg

and also makes berserker pauldron, warbanner, tonic, gorags, war horn, etc etc a lot stronger

[full apex]

thats pretty funy

[trim narwhal]

oh right also if you throw a cleaver during chef shift, it counts as hitting the enemy with the shift as well, but dont tell em that hehehe

[daring cloak]

Also has anyone else here experienced or heard of champions just beinf stuck in their death animation?

[trim narwhal]

seeker in mp mostly

[daring cloak]

Especially with their collision still active

IS IT INTENTIONAL TO SPAWN IN DISTURBED IMPACT IN PRISMATIC TRIALS?

that caught me so off guard

And more importantly

Can environment scanners spawn in trials?

This is THE opportunity for me to cheese that log

[full apex]

thats an interesting question

because they shouldnt spawn if you have the log, but trials are seeded

does it still spawn? or is the seed fucked up?

[daring cloak]

Of course the one time I go do a trial this stuff happens

Lmao stage 1 grandparent

[quasi crystal]

do prayer beads count to nectar

[daring cloak]

I guess I shouldve expected that from impact

[livid wedge]

I definitely know that you can get dlc maps in trials even if you don't have the dlc

[daring cloak]

Ok another thing

[livid wedge]

The one trial I played on ps5 so I could unlocl was on the first stage of the colossus path

[daring cloak]

Idk what happened but there is a void seed and the last enemy is below the lower out of bounds zone and therefore the void seed has become unclearable

[livid wedge]

That can happen, unfortunately

[daring cloak]

NVM IT CLEARED ITSELF WTF

[livid wedge]

Had a little beetle get stuck under a rock ramp in abyssal depths once

[daring cloak]

oh right

Infestors die after a while of not getting a new hpst

[livid wedge]

I like the music for vields but why does it have to sound like it's 3x as loud as any other music

@daring cloak Do your runs on switch start off with " connected", not listed your profile name?

Same with pings

[daring cloak]

Yes

[livid wedge]

Weird

[daring cloak]

And it annoys the absolute shit out of me

[livid wedge]

Same

[daring cloak]

Its barely tolerable since I mostly play multiplayer where it fixes itself

[livid wedge]

Playstation never says the connected line in single player and pings display my username properly

[daring cloak]

I do like that the name is hidden from the ping icons

But I dont like that its not there in the chatlog

[livid wedge]

Yeah, pings originating from the player should not have the name shown on their ping

Not sure how hard that would be to implement, though

[daring cloak]

Anyways time to get the clips

[livid wedge]

Though they could just look at the switch debug logs to find out

[livid wedge]

Godspeed

[daring cloak]

OH WHAT THE FUCK

[livid wedge]

Oh no

[daring cloak]

I NEED TO SEND THIS ONE

THIS IS SURREAL

[livid wedge]

[daring cloak]

WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT SOUL WISP GO???

It was there but then it wasnt

Perfectly when it went out of my vision

This game cant keep pulling this shit on me

Its already done that with a beetle before

[livid wedge]

You and qwip are bug magnets

[daring cloak]

Ikr

God I cant stop laughing at this

[livid wedge]

-# Wanna see a magic trick

[daring cloak]

Fucking hell im getting dizzy

So anyways here's the titan that I killed with lost seers

[quasi crystal]

schizo

artifact of schizophrenia

[daring cloak]

And here's the preloop elite dunestrider we also put in that death limbo but this time with collision intact

Both of these invisible to the host

[daring cloak]

Oh we also boss skipped that guy on accident if that plays a role or smth

[livid wedge]

They should honestly get you a switch that can export debug logs from the game

Or a version of the game that can

[daring cloak]

YO SO TRUE

[livid wedge]

And with this game's luck, you'd never experience any of the bugs

[daring cloak]

And here's gearbox's fucking unsurpassable visual design from a very good angle

[chrome ocean]

What is The Best "Legendary/Red" Item For Artificer? And (or) The Best Equipment

[livid wedge]

Good question on the red

[peak jacinth]

All of the reds that are generally the best are still the best for arti, so stuff like etc, I don’t think theres any red that’s particularly very potent on her compared to others

[livid wedge]

As for equipment, I'd say

She has great aoe

[peak jacinth]

yea equipment probably cube or the usual recycler and card

[livid wedge]

Recycler and card are great on everyone, really

Recycler probably better than card in nonlooped runs and card for looped ones

[peak jacinth]

I think it depends when you get it. I think they’re about equal overall

[livid wedge]

That's fair

I for one always use recycler right now because I do not have the dlc on playstation

[steady stone]

Card shines specifically on stage 5
Recycler is good generally and for looping

But at the end of the day it's all based on your drop RNG. One isn't better than the other

[livid wedge]

Yeah, I like both

[peak jacinth]

yea I think which is better is entirely run dependent. Still both insane, never mad to get either

easily both top 3

[steady stone]

Tincture is also always fun to grab. Even without like a meta god build with planula, raps, razorwire

It's just a really good burst of damage if you can afford it

People always sleep on like half the equipment in the game really

[peak jacinth]

yea this is true

[daring cloak]

I like anything that isnt supermassive leech or jade elephant

[peak jacinth]

my fav equipment is sawmerang

[steady stone]

Leech is nice though, sometimes
And jade has some rare uses

[daring cloak]

I just find literally all the other equipments better and/or more fun

[steady stone]

I think of Jade as similar to the mul t panic button where I shift for armor, but better

[peak jacinth]

I like supermassive leech but i feel like its cd is too long. elephant is very fun on retool mult

[steady stone]

The fact that leech is damage based makes it good

So I can pop it before I hit as loader or something, unlike seed

[peak jacinth]

tbh I don’t really dislike any of the equipments in the game, I feel like they’re all pretty fun to use. Might just be me tho

[steady stone]

They're all just situational. If someone doesn't like an equipment they just don't play that way

[daring cloak]

True

[peak jacinth]

hell I even like

[daring cloak]

is my guilty pleasure

The voices of my friends whenever I use it is an indescribable feeling

[livid wedge]

With captains recharge, of course

[daring cloak]

Especially with resupply

Double resupply meteorite is the only way I will ever go in command lobbies I didnt sign up for

[peak jacinth]

ok well meteorite is funny

my friends and I started doing enigma metamorphosis runs where we have to pick up a gesture and it’s a lot of fun

[lavish jacinth]

I'm late to this, but here, enjoy

[daring cloak]

Im gonna cry

[lavish jacinth]

that's a shame, because it gets worse

[peak jacinth]

now where’s the merc hitbox clip to compare!!

[lavish jacinth]

the overhead slam is smaller if you jump

[daring cloak]

HUH?

[peak jacinth]

thank you gearbox

[daring cloak]

Why is it so hard for them to just make the slams work identical

Same proc coefficient same hitbox PLEASE

[daring cloak]

Its not even centred properly

[lavish jacinth]

truly incredible

[lavish jacinth]

even if they're intended to work differently, you'd think the jump slam would be the stronger one

[daring cloak]

I mean technically it is or at least wants to be because the damage and aoe increase the more airtime you have while being in the process of slamming

But like why would it not start with the same things as the grounded ome

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

I also noticed that this hitbox is pretty much identical to Loader's primary, which makes me wonder if they just copy-pasted it and didn't bother to check whether the visual part actually matched

[tender temple]

I think it's just to incentivize ground slamming instead of constantly jumping without trying to make use of the height part

[daring cloak]

Ground slamming already has the benefit of being faster and not bouncing you back into the air though

[tender temple]

Yeah which is kind of the point

They subtly tell you don't use the God damn air slam when you don't need to

[trim narwhal]

i thought only aoe ?

[steady stone]

No

That's why the "False Son nuke" was a thing with infinite slam time

It doesn't scale that fast though, like it would take a good minute or so to kill a beetle queen

But in the clip I saw everything that wasn't the beetle queen got evaporated

[tender temple]

Built in 5 dollar headset

[steady stone]

HeadWalkers

[tender temple]

False son really does have everything

Now they just need to add that alt passive and make it built in benthic bloom

[steady stone]

Every stage you just get 5 of each rarity

[lavish jacinth]

am I missing something? it just deals normal damage here

[lime mural]

should i get SOTS

[steady stone]

Generally SOTS is considered a lackluster release compared to the rest of the game, but if you haven't played the game for a bit already it should fit in well

Many long time players don't like it due to the quality and way everything was made compared to what they had and don't want it to change, like me

Many of the reviews you see are outdated because it was an EXTREMELY buggy launch, but much is fixed and they are still working

Also angry russians

[lavish jacinth]

maybe wait for a sale, it's better than it was but still has some issues

or try out the content in multiplayer/prismatic trials and see what you think

[lime mural]

hmm

[lime mural]

but i got mone

[steady stone]

im gonna say most of the people you meet here are gonna be haters

like i stay around here but i havent even played since devotion update

so #ror2-discussion will never give you good info lol

but yeah, its gotten MUCH better. We used to get a bug report message every 15 minutes, now it's like 10 or less messages there a day.

[lavish jacinth]

the best thing about it is still the stages imho, they look nice and the alt path thing is pretty cool (even if the new final boss is still kinda bullshit)

the new items are mostly really bad and the survivors are... questionable

[hoary sedge]

also one of the new elite types is complete bs and the other one just kinda sucks to fight

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that too

[quasi crystal]

Gilded is really a damage check

[lavish jacinth]

Twisted is a damage check but in reverse

[wraith glade]

twisted elites are really well designed ong fr fr

[quasi crystal]

Twisted is a bone thrown to people who spam healing items

Literally the only people who defend, not speak neutrally mind you, but defend that I've seen say that they spam healing items to beat them

[wraith glade]

twisted elites are the reason i havent bothered with loop runs since dlc launched

[lavish jacinth]

Say what you will about voidtouched elites, at least they only punish you for getting hit by them and not dealing with infestors

[quasi crystal]

Voidtouched is completely fair though I do wish their collapse was toned down

[eternal storm]

yeah because theres no way to avoid getting hit you just have to tank the damage and heal it back

[lavish jacinth]

imo the only real problem with collapse is just that enemy damage stats are all over the place

[eternal storm]

i swear after sots update collapse just oneshots me every time

[quasi crystal]

Shout out to that one person here on week one of sotv saying that you should print your aoe procs into healing items

[wraith glade]

getting collapsed by the voidtickled elder lemurgian after getting shotgun blasted is gg

[eternal storm]

real

[quasi crystal]

Sots sorry

[full apex]

people have basically been saying this since it was added haha

[eternal storm]

oh so thats just collapse being collapse

[hoary sedge]

doing that and then getting nuked bc I don't have the damage to kill malachites

[quasi crystal]

Wait until they learn twisted can inflict malachite

[full apex]

yea monsters can have pretty high base damage so getting 2-4 stacks on you basically means you are screwed

[lavish jacinth]

stone titans with 40 base damage for no reason whatsoever:

[full apex]

like uh

golem laser is only 250%

one collapse is 400%

if you get 2 on you, its like getting nailed by 3 lasers all at once

and from like bells or elder lems getting a few isnt unreasonable hahaha

[quasi crystal]

Would total damage be worse for enemy collapse

[full apex]

most likely no

like\

elder lem fireballs are 200%

with a falloff model so not unlikely to be 50%

one collapse is 2 full fireballs, 200% total

[steady stone]

all enemies have a "base damage" so all calculations are built off that, it is semi-unrelated to how much actual damage you take

besides, you know, the damage calc of the normal attack

[lavish jacinth]

simply swap their needleticks with plasma shrimps

[steady stone]

Huntress has a damage of "12 (+2.4 per level)" even if strafe is "Agile. Quickly fire a seeking arrow for 150% damage."

[quasi crystal]

Would make vulture voidtouched better

[full apex]

[quasi crystal]

High damage output

[full apex]

but huntress isnt voidtouched enemy

[agile crystal]

where have you been, why aren't you wasting your life being in game questions all day

[lavish jacinth]

I took a break from the server for a while

[steady stone]

yeah im just explaining how base damage isn't damage taken

[agile crystal]

valid asf

[steady stone]

the return of the 3rd game questions user 🙏

[lavish jacinth]

the amount of negativity here after sots made this place pretty miserable lol

[steady stone]

i have tried to take over your spot but charmlie is significantly better

[lavish jacinth]

figured I might come back once the dust settled

[agile crystal]

Settled indeed it has as it seems

[quasi crystal]

I don't remember much negativity in this channel

[agile crystal]

can you believe that turning on crossplay actually fixes some problems

[steady stone]

#ror2-discussion

[agile crystal]

^

[steady stone]

☢️

[quasi crystal]

That's not this channel

[steady stone]

they escaped their channel

[quasi crystal]

That channel has powers

[lavish jacinth]

there was still a fair amount
Plus, repeatedly explaining to people "Yeah, the game is basically ruined right now because bugs n shit" gets to you after a while lol

[steady stone]

No the questions channel has been interesting

I've learned a lot about very specific bugs and interections via charmlie's access to the code and wiki

[agile crystal]

wdym you dont like having pointless arguments

[steady stone]

gonna be honest they kinda took your spot as game-questions person lol

you used to be the one i saw as the lurker here in devotion and before

[quasi crystal]

Why clueless me that channel has powers to lower your IQ by 40

[lavish jacinth]

There's this weird thing that happens in game questions

[agile crystal]

Afax has been dethroned from his smelly seat

[lavish jacinth]

there has to always be one person who's always here for some reason

[full apex]

i lived in here for a reeeeeeeeeeally long time

[lavish jacinth]

before me it was Fadeshock

[full apex]

but i kinda cooled off for a little while, id swing by but wasnt in a lot

[lavish jacinth]

And yeah, Charlie's been here for ages

[full apex]

recently theres been a lot of fun stuff to explore so ive been really active

[steady stone]

I think i came here during her break then

[full apex]

ive always been the type to dig up crazy shit, datamine, test, make spreadsheets or sim programs etc

[agile crystal]

really long break, i've been here for months and not once have i ever seen her in here

[steady stone]

vacation

[agile crystal]

it was always afax, couldn't scroll up for more than 10 seconds without seeing afax

[agile crystal]

mama mia

[full apex]

fax machine is craaaazy tho

[agile crystal]

52k 😭

[steady stone]

im not even 3k 🙏

[agile crystal]

barely 2k 🕊️

[lavish jacinth]

Apparently I've even beaten Fade, lol

there must always be a game questions goblin

when I'm gone it'll be someone else

[steady stone]

he's been "returned to dormancy" for a while...

[full apex]

yea fade was awesome, but they kinda burned out i think

took brek and hasnt been back 😔

but i respect it

[lavish jacinth]

yeeeah, I've definitely felt that. I guess 52k is just the limit

[agile crystal]

the great 52K theory

[lavish jacinth]

I have considered writing up some kind of mega-guide to compile all of my (and the community's) game knowledge into one place, I'm probably too lazy for that though lol

[steady stone]

new things would always come up too

at that point just link them the wikipedia

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's the other issue

[agile crystal]

Just give it to me and ill accidentally compile it all into a zip bomb by accident

[pulsar nova]

God bless fadeshock. May they forever rest in furry heaven 😇

[steady stone]

the last message being "goodbye" and them vanishing

[pulsar nova]

Fade's still involved with the community I think but mostly doesnt interact with this server anymore (absolutely for the better)

[chrome ocean]

How Does The Purity Negative Effect "No Luck" Work?

Example: If i have 10 Critlenses that i Have 100% To Crit Am i Still Able to Crit With Purity?

Or How does it Affect me?

[lavish jacinth]

it causes successful procs to be rerolled 1 time per point of negative luck, the opposite of how clover works. So if the proc chance is at 100%, luck will have no effect on it and it'll still be guaranteed

in other words, with one stack of purity, procs will have to succeed twice in a row in order to actually work

[chrome ocean]

So When i Have a 50% It WIll Get used Twice so Basically 50% x 2? So Second higher change to lose

[chrome ocean]

oh okay

[lavish jacinth]

yup

[chrome ocean]

Thanks

[short laurel]

should i have more than just 1 multiplayer server showing? sometimes ive had 2 or 3 but ive never seen more than that

[full apex]

i cant seem to replicate this, is there something im doing wrong?

[brazen sluice]

nuuu, you changed your profile pic @full apex . i liked the other one better :<

[full apex]

i changed it a few days ago, me and a friend were memeing impersonating each other so it was their pfp lol

[full apex]

chef m2 scaling

im not sure if its a bug, an oversight, or like just a weird formula but this isnt 100% unexpected. i charted out a bunch of AS breakpoints because i was curious. i made base damage as close to 100 as possible easily to get less rounding jank, collapse was dealing 397 (400 would be perfect) but thats under 1% of error so

its weird for sure, but as the ticks go down the damage goes up. so the attack resolves faster, but the damage isnt reduced because of it

note these AS values are %s so 2 is 200%

for the test in your clip im sure it was just to demo and precision was irrelevant but if you ever want to do anything precise, you can use the BOOSTATTACKSPEED item instead of syringes or w/e, it gives 10% as opposed to 15 or 7.5 or whatever other stuff usually gives. and without stat bloat from other sources. theres BOOSTHP and BOOSTDAMAGE too which are also 10%, those items are how special scaling and elite mults work so they can let you have semi-precise stat manipulation

[quasi crystal]

Odd, might have been some other force at work I couldn't control I'm gonna ask my friend if he still has the clip or screenshot of it happening to me
Guess it's worth mentioning it was in co-op and we were using sots fixer modpack

Have you tried finishing the fight with your skills still locked

[short laurel]

whats the best healing besides the leech?

[quasi crystal]

leech isnt very good healing

unless you mean like super massive leech with perma uptime, then yeah thats good but im assuming you mean seed which is awful on most survivors and even on the ones where it's fine it's pretty poor past stage 2

[short laurel]

im using seed with captain but i have 16 syringes

and 10 crit

[quasi crystal]

anyway, cautious slug and weeping fungus are very good on everyone

[short laurel]

no other green healing?

[quasi crystal]

leeching seed heals 1 hp per stack

and it's multiplied by proc coeffecient
scythe and medkit are good on monsoon

[short laurel]

well im shooting 8 bullets at 15%x16, whatever that is

[quasi crystal]

you have 16 seeds?

[short laurel]

so cautious slug, weeping fungus, scythe, and medkit?

[short laurel]

no 16 syringes

each one does 15%

i assume

[quasi crystal]

captain is one of the survivors that is ok with leeching seed early game
but yeah scythe weeping fungus slugs and medkits are good

[short laurel]

weeping fungus is void item right?

or no?

if so i have no clue how to unlock all that

[quasi crystal]

yeah its a dlc item

[short laurel]

oh i dont have dlc

[quasi crystal]

scythe would be what you should go after

[short laurel]

is that vanilla ror2?

if so i dont even have that unlocked

oh thats the prismatic trial thing, the one item i havent unlocked

of course

[full apex]

Scythe is basically a direct upgrade to leeching seed. With no crit at all its about half a leeching seed on average, and with a single lens makers it heals more on average

5% crit chance on the first stack also means its technically a damage up

[short laurel]

thats gonna be a nice thing to unlock but im at stage 5 rn doing decent so imma not lose it 😭

[full apex]

At base cap shoots once per second when spamming, so 16 syring is uhh

240%? So 340% AS total, so 3.4 shots per sec ish up from 1. 3.4x8 pellets is 27.2, with a 75% proc coeff 1 seed would be about 20 health per second from your primary

Though your proc items like uke and stuff like razorwire can also get some healing

[short laurel]

yea i cant do all that math thatd give me a migrain

[full apex]

[short laurel]

oh do they help with the leech?

[full apex]

I like math haha

[short laurel]

i wish i did lol

[full apex]

Any on hit with a proc coefficient will heal, so the proc chain items (like uke, atg, but not sticky bomb or bands), as well as most standalone effects (like razorwire hits when you take damage, or the on kill explosion from wilowisp)

[short laurel]

on at moon anyways, we will see how this goes

[short laurel]

oh i see

[full apex]

The damage and heal numbers always round up, so with 1 stack especially you'll see a looooot of 1s

But its probably healing less, like razorwire has a 50% proc coeff so it would be 0.5 health per bounce, and uke is 20% so 0.2 per bounce. Both would show 1 tho

They don't want it to ever say 0 basically lol

[short laurel]

so they really dont heal much

[quasi crystal]

i wonder if there's a mod that shows real numbers

[full apex]

Yea. Like MulTs nailgun looks crazy because it shoots 12 times a second, seed is sooo many 1s. But because of the coeff on nail, its only healing 0.6 per in reality

So its not as insane as it looks at first glance

Its more obvious if you have a lot of seeds, cause like with 10 then it would be 6, no rounding required

[short laurel]

i see

[quasi crystal]

here is proof it actually happened at least, im on hemlinth hatchery, i have 🚫 as my equipment, i give it to a drone and it immediately uses dragon egg

[full apex]

Interesting, I wonder if its multiplayer jank...

Were you a client?

[quasi crystal]

Ye

[short laurel]

is there an item that can speed up the recharge rate of Artificer's primary ability Plasma Bolt?

or does that just never change?

[full apex]

Cooldown items like alien head or purity. The packs from bandolier work but are best for longer CDs.

Recently they made it so attack speed also speeds up the recharge, i assume that applies to the base game even without the dlcs even though it was changed in the dlc update

[short laurel]

it doesnt seem to have changed in base game but ill have to look again

[lofty dagger]

anybody know how to do the her disciple paladin challenge

[analog brook]

It can occure in single player and isn't exclusive to having to include an equipment drone, I don't know how to replicate it but if it occurs the equipment is definitely still there even though it can't be used, seed of life will still revive you even if it's disabled

[glacial knoll]

smth smth there is a difference between having no equipment and setting your equipment slot to a empty equipment

No idea how or why that is

[analog brook]

I could dump like 50 extra bugs in here if you want 🥺

[glacial knoll]

the like 37 unimplemented spawn pools when the

Also missed Warbonds missing 25 * itemStack gold

[safe ice]

phase 3 false son can just not cast the ability seal and slams instead, shouldnt be intentional

[quasi crystal]

I was told a life seed being used during a seal triggers it too

[wicked cliff]

how to get artifacts ? i don't have any rn

i really want the one that let you pick whatever item u want from crate

[quasi crystal]

So on stage 5 there will be a big portal and a laptop

[wicked cliff]

stage 5 ? right after the stage that like pink floating island right ?

[quasi crystal]

Stage is the purple sky islands / castle in a volcano

[wicked cliff]

is it rng or it gurentee on stage 5 ? i still new to the game

[livid wedge]

It's guaranteed

[wicked cliff]

oh nice

ok so what do i do on stage 5 ?

[livid wedge]

The artifact portal spot will always be in the same place for sky meadows and helminth hatchery

[wicked cliff]

is it on the pink floating space island that have the prime portal where u can turn into a loop portal ? i still don't remember maps name 😅

[livid wedge]

Honestly, play it like you would a regular stage. Once you've done everything and beaten the teleporter event, you can go to the artifact portal, enter the code, and go to bulwarks ambry

Pink?

[wicked cliff]

it have like a yellow giant monster

let me try find a picture on google

[tender temple]

He's talking about sky meadow

It's not pink but close enough from memory

[wicked cliff]

this stage

[tender temple]

Sky meadow

[wicked cliff]

ok ok

[wicked cliff]

do you know what code give the artifact that give u ability to pick whatever item u want from a crate ?

[tender temple]

Command

[wicked cliff]

ok thanks i need it cause i don't wanna play random build every run

[livid wedge]

Yeah, you can activate that, fight the boss and then go down below where the artifact stuff is to enter the code and go through the portal

[wicked cliff]

so i beat stage 4 for exam sky meadown then i go throw the prime portal ( unless there a different portal ) to stage 5 then i find the laptop enter then code and go through stage 5 prime portal

[tender temple]

Primordial teleporter is only on stage 5

[wicked cliff]

wait then what about stage 4 ?

[tender temple]

Also no you shouldn't be going to it afterwards

[quasi crystal]

Sky meadow is not stage 4

[tender temple]

Artifact tp opens a portal of its own

Sky meadow is a stage 5

[wicked cliff]

ohh

[livid wedge]

Yeah, the artifact portal is down on the lowest part of the stage in meadows

Highest in helminth

[wicked cliff]

wait so where can i find artifact portal ? for exampl this map

[tender temple]

Nowhere

[livid wedge]

There isn't one

[tender temple]

Artifact tp is also only on stage 5

[livid wedge]

Only on stage 5

[wicked cliff]

ohh so there nothing on stage 4

[tender temple]

Both of the important teleporters are on the last stage

Stage 4 is only known for guaranteed red items

[wicked cliff]

okok

thanks

go to stage 5 go to lowest of meadow find the artifact portal go there and enter the code on the laptop

[livid wedge]

Yes

[tender temple]

Yeah and a portal appears afterwards

[wicked cliff]

Is bandit blast good or should i stick to burst m1 ?

[quasi crystal]

Burst is generally better

[tender temple]

its preferential

[oak briar]

Hello again, does anyone know if the all weapons are disabled for five seconds part of Supercharge can be reduced with cooldowns?

[tender temple]

The disable is affected by attack speed im pretty sure

[oak briar]

Ooh good to know thank you!

[wicked cliff]

@tender temple heyyyyyy

[tender temple]

Hi

[wicked cliff]

I killed the boss and entered the code

[wicked cliff]

Now i go to the prime portal ???

[tender temple]

The artifact tp should have spawned a portal

If the code was correct

[quasi crystal]

No do not use the primal teleporter

[tender temple]

Then you misinput the code

It should be 3 triangles bottom and everything else squares

[wicked cliff]

I did :c

Oh i stupid i didnt submit the formula

It open :p

[tender temple]

Yeah you have to interact with the laptop every time

[wicked cliff]

WHAT DO I DO NOW ?

[tender temple]

Use keys on the middle thing

Keys drop from enemies

You have to do it 4-5 times in total

And then jump and collect the artifact

[flat wharf]

Шукаю людей для гри в ріску(бажано Україномовні російомовні)

[odd robin]

does anyone know which monster is inbetween halcyonite and gup ?

[livid wedge]

Big boi mithrix

[odd robin]

He has a logbook entry ??!

[livid wedge]

Yup

[tender temple]

why wouldnt he

[livid wedge]

"And his brother loved worms"

The only thing without one is the twisted scavengers

I'd love if they got ones, though

[tender temple]

i dont think they need one

[livid wedge]

True

But I wouldn't be opposed to it

[tender temple]

its a variant and other variants dont get logbooks

[livid wedge]

Overloading worm

[tender temple]

you dont see snow variants of blind pests or vermin for example

or the 5 billion variants of beetles

[livid wedge]

Magma worm and overloading worm

[tender temple]

overloading worm only has a log because its special

like its not a variant its a separate creature entirely

[livid wedge]

And twisteds aren't?

[tender temple]

which is why magma and overloading worms dont have aspects

[livid wedge]

Neither do twisteds

[tender temple]

twisteds arent different species

[livid wedge]

Like, I agree they don't need one

[tender temple]

they are just scavengers that were followers of mithrix

worms are separate creatures

[livid wedge]

But I think it'd be cool if they got one

[tender temple]

you get to know everything about them from the beads log anyway

[livid wedge]

Also, solus control unit and allied worship unit

[tender temple]

i dont think allied worship unit should have had a log

[livid wedge]

Fair

[tender temple]

its just solus but hacked by vultures

[livid wedge]

I'm still missing two logs and I'll have them all

One of them is just going be a bitch and a half because switch

The other is mostly because I just never usually see it in a run

Voidling and Void Jailer, respectively

Voidlings a bitch because both the log and the terrain of its stage are phantom

So unless you're directly below it, the log will fall into the void

[tender temple]

how

voidling stays on the donut

and the stage log is just in the middle of the arena

[livid wedge]

That terrain is considered phantom on switch

[tender temple]

wow

[livid wedge]

So it falls through

[tender temple]

quantum mechanics

[livid wedge]

Unless they fixed it with sots

They might've

Haven't bothered to go to its fight after I got the planetarium logbook

[glacial knoll]

hella nonsensical argument

They just either forgot twisteds, were too lazy to figure out how to do it since it's 4 different enemies or wanted to keep the artifact code on their flesh a secret

[livid wedge]

Nah, that's something I could see hopoo doing

He did do this, after all

Nevermind, I'm gonna clean that up

Not great but better

[golden hound]

with loader should i prioritize attack speed

[livid wedge]

Nah, you want burst

Loader really shouldn't be using her primary, it's all about super punch

[golden hound]

what kinda items would those be

[hidden leaf]

I'd recommend Bands since they proc with her punch, watches and crowbars also help improving overall damage.

Also I'd make sure to grab some goat hoofs and back up mags to help with movement as the faster you move the more damage punch gets

[night olive]

im playing chef. should i keep the cleavers or use visions of heresy

[rapid current]

is it normal from 600 TRILLION DMG me with void fiend dealt 599.4 TRILLION dmg void fiend its not my most played characther

[agile crystal]

No you're hacking

[ornate gust]

Lmao

[daring cloak]

Yeah the player statistics can get quite messy

My switch says I played ror2 for 550 hours
My ror2 says I played thrice as much which is definitely a lie

[livid wedge]

Did you do the chronic expansion + fmp + soulbound catalyst thing?

Cause that's gonna skew the stats a smidge

[rapid current]

nuh uh i am console

[ornate gust]

At some point in a long ass run the damage numbers end up being kinda useless

Cuz ur doing so much damage to a lot of extremely levelled enemies

Its fun to look at tho

[left trellis]

there are also cases where for some reason damage numbers just. fuck up. and hit the integer limit for some reason

that tends to irreversibly mess up your stats

[rapid current]

is it hard to get 69% of the game completed

[livid wedge]

Nice

[rapid current]

o r u can do 20 of this then get all items glass

[left trellis]

that... could do it? but usually it's not done intentionally

[livid wedge]

I'm assuming this is bait

[rapid current]

with 8 of this i got almost all items blue

not bait-

[ornate gust]

Honestly my stats are already fucked messing around with debugtoolkit

[rapid current]

not the best yellow good just for bandit and captain for mitrix kill

[rapid current]

this cooks with bandit first m1

[left trellis]

bandit with crit items is really nice, yeah

[rapid current]

5 bleed per hit

[rapid current]

wait what if

15 missiles per hit?

[left trellis]

no. it would just be 3

[rapid current]

with first m1 isnt it 5 shots?

[left trellis]

OH on bandit
yes

[rapid current]

who can give me a steam key for ror2

[solar ice]

Does Expose deal additional base damage or total damage?

[uncut wadi]

when playing with artfact of evolution, does entering gilded coasts/vields give the enemy an extra item?

if not does it increment the item order that the enemy receives them in? say I went vields on stage 4, when I leave the enemies will have skipped getting a green but instead immediately get a red

[left trellis]

based on the wiki it seems to be base damage

though because it increases the damage of the hit itself it's still good for scaling on-hit procs

[livid wedge]

Yeah, it's triggered bands when I basic attacked an exposed enemy

[eternal storm]

Is it intended that huntress can’t target other players with m1 or m2 when artifact of chaos is active? I swear I used to be able to do this and we’d have epic pvp but now it doesn’t work

[rapid current]

can u get ror2 for free on pc

[spring timber]

No

[left trellis]

if you can you certainly wouldn't find a way to do it here

[brazen sluice]

i assume everyone who asks such a question is no older than 12...

[brazen sluice]

hmmm, item rework idea: make bolstering lantern only work if you are above 80% hp. punish you for falling below that rather than rewarding you for being low hp

like, even rex doesnt like being below half hp. the item is so bad right now

[jaunty ledge]

I feel like that'd work better as a lunar
considering the negative and positive aspect

[brazen sluice]

negative and positive aspect?

[peak jacinth]

there is already a damage up item which rewards you for not being at low hp

[jaunty ledge]

Like lunars have a downside (ie reducing hp by 50%) but an upside (again, increasing damage dealt)

[brazen sluice]

yea its a hard punishment for getting REALY low hp. this is a boost only if youre now basically full hp

[jaunty ledge]

Considering this rework would punish you for falling below 80%, that could be a downside, meanwhile the damage increase is an upside

Either way I like it

[tender temple]

so its just better watch

[livid wedge]

When an abilty like artificers flamebolt ignite an enemy, is that burn damage 50% of your base or 50% of the total damage of the attack?

[brazen sluice]

i think you might be missing the fact that all damage increasers have a condition. when below 25% hp, only works on bosses, only works in close range, only works if the enemy is above 90% hp

[brazen sluice]

maybe above 90% hp then. so it turns off basically if you arent at full

[jaunty ledge]

Forgot about that...
Fair enough!

[peak jacinth]

yea that’s like such a lame adjustment for an item… “oh it’s a slightly different watch”… it’s better the way it is even though the item is trash

[brazen sluice]

yea tha only exception i can think of it , and even then you could argue its absurd rarety is its condition

[jaunty ledge]

Yeah

[brazen sluice]

then what if its literally 100% hp or no damage boost?

[quick sable]

rate the build

[jaunty ledge]

The way I see Lantern is:
Its not telling you "get to low hp for this damage increase"
Its more of a "This is kinda a backup for when you get low enough" sorta deal

[brazen sluice]

you chose 63 with command?

[livid wedge]

Not enough

[quick sable]

yes

[peak jacinth]

it’s still not really interesting, and again changing the threshold doesn’t change the fact that it’ll still be a health based damage up item exactly like watch

[steady stone]

It seems more like a void watch from what I'm hearing

[quick sable]

command + sacrifice was fun

completed the 20 stages in one run achievement

[peak jacinth]

yes this

[quick sable]

should I have picked more cuz they're good or cuz it's ur fav item?

[steady stone]

2 atgs is 2x damage, 3 is 3x, they're really good stacking

[peak jacinth]

should just make the item do something else entirely

[jaunty ledge]

Was the bug with Captain's primary fixed?

[brazen sluice]

but...why? that item is typically an insta-scrap on anyone thats not false son

[quick sable]

why?

I thought they were good

[jaunty ledge]

They're not that bad

[steady stone]

I would say tincture players would enjoy but it would increase your self damage

[brazen sluice]

because is a stupidly good item

[peak jacinth]

healing build 👎 2/10

[brazen sluice]

100 hp. nothing else. its basically the green variant of , which has been a meme item ever since its rework

[quick sable]

thought 100 hp would be good as it also increases the effectiveness of shield generators

what defensive green items are better?

[brazen sluice]

shield generators are also typically a bad item unless you either have or

[quick sable]

what do people pick to get defense then?

[peak jacinth]

infusion is not that bad

not that good either tho

[brazen sluice]

, ,

[quick sable]

is this a joke?

[brazen sluice]

sounds like a troll but its not

[quick sable]

movement speed sounds good but is it really good to be a glass cannon with zero defense?

[peak jacinth]

you could also suggest actually good defence items like

[peak jacinth]

yes, if you can dodge

[brazen sluice]

enemies typically have a hard time with moving targets. when you are moving super fast, they hit you a lot less. dont get hit, dont need defense. also it lets you loot the stage faster, though with sacrifice artifact thats not realy an issue

[steady stone]

either way healing is better than defense any day

if you do get hit chances are you wont for a little bit after

[peak jacinth]

a mix of all item types is usually best 🤷

[steady stone]

50% of the attack i think

[peak jacinth]

50% damage of the attack iirc

[steady stone]

"Ignites enemies, dealing 50% extra total damage over time."

"extra" to me makes it sound like off of the attack

[livid wedge]

Thank you

[brazen sluice]

ok so heres the breakdown of why stacking like that isnt that good. yes more hp is technically "helpful", but those things only increase your hp linearly. meanwhile, the enemies are constantly increasing their damage overtime exponentially. they can easily start dishing out enough damage to one shot you even with a bunch of

[livid wedge]

True but ror2 is notorious for misinformation in info

[tacit summit]

does warbanner stack with itself
like if you get the level up warbanner and the teleporter warbanner in one place would you get 2 warbanner buffs

[steady stone]

hence why bison steak is also bad. +25 hp is good on lvl 1, but not when i have 80000 hp

[brazen sluice]

youre much better off with movement speed and damage. dont get hit, deal more damage, enemies die and cant hurt you anymore

[steady stone]

the whole "dont get hit" being so good meta is why glass is like top 3 lunar item

[tacit summit]

which is why boar beach infusion exploit was goated and ror2 shouldve had its own version

[peak jacinth]

stacking infusion is better than stacking steak cuz u can get rid of all but one stack and u keep the health

long term investment

[livid wedge]

No, all zones give you the same buff and it cannot be stacked

[steady stone]

green vs white though, it's not like a choice you get, even in command

[tacit summit]

okay, ty

[brazen sluice]

yea but that requires getting more than 10 in 1 run, which in a typical non-loop run isnt feasable without a printer

[steady stone]

that too

also who is willingly printing infusion

[peak jacinth]

yea i wasn’t comparing the two I was saying it’s infusion is better when stacking then steak is cuz u can’t opt out later

[brazen sluice]

exactly

[peak jacinth]

more like who isn’t??? infusion and harpoon >>>>>> atg and uku

[steady stone]

take off your disguise,

[peak jacinth]

you don’t have to scrap to use printers btw

so no it doesn’t require getting 11+

[brazen sluice]

yea no the more i look at that build the more i see someone who is still only getting their feet wet in this game. they'll learn over time. either that or the dopamine rush will die down and they'll just move on to another game

[tacit summit]

false son

[peak jacinth]

well yea they specced into full healing

[brazen sluice]

i do hope they stick around and improve their skills tho. the game is a blast...even if GBX is making horible decisions with it atm

[steady stone]

agreed

[brazen sluice]

yea thats basically the mentality of someone who hasnt learned how to dodge things yet. its a 'w' key player

[steady stone]

the only problem i have with the game is actually that the skill ceiling is too high

you almost never lose runs after god knows how many hours in

[peak jacinth]

thats sorta how most roguelikes go

runs are always winnable

[steady stone]

Yeah, and there's like 3 phases really

[brazen sluice]

solitude says hi

[steady stone]

Phase 1: You don't manage items and lose a lot
Phase 2: You try really hard to manage your items as good as possible and win
Phase 3: You just go with whatever drops and win

it's like the progression that happens with every player

[brazen sluice]

so as for the lantern discussion, how about making it work like slug? it only turns on if you havent taken a hit in ~7sec