and are we talking post sots with max potential? we have chronic
#ror2-game-questions
trim narwhal
without chronic
steady stone
probably glass since exponential then
trim narwhal
ok wait glass might lose
proud rampart
@steady stone
steady stone
but i will forcefeed you 1 more glass and you die
steady stone
debug will be kinda hard to learn at first since it's just commands but charmlie is like a 2nd creator of that thing with how often they use it, so just ask here
full apex
im not a dev myself but im very familiar with it
trim narwhal
ok wait so 2bil * 0.2 for the watch etc and 0.75 for the crowbar right and all multiplied together gives an approximate result ?
steady stone
2.4bil
trim narwhal
watch, ap, focus,
steady stone
also not all damage is multiplicative/additive etc for some reason
proud rampart
debug will be kinda hard to learn at first since it's just commands but charmlie...
is there a list of commands on the page for the mod or something
full apex
also lookingglass reported 29 dps here, which is not accurate mandos m1 is 600%/s which is closer to 72
steady stone
i dont remember the exact interactions but some are just better with others
trim narwhal
pretty sure the usual dmg% are multiplicative ?
full apex
golems are 480 hp, 480/72 is 6.67s which is basically what you see in the clip so
proud rampart
but yeah thanks for all of the support and definitely expect to see me again 
trim narwhal
itll win with 2.4 billion lanterns active added though
steady stone
we'll be here lol
trim narwhal
but like game cant handle it anyways
full apex
yea this channel tends to have some pretty knowledgable folk the majority of the time haha
thats what makes it so fun
steady stone
my data might be outdated sometimes sadly
but some of the advanced stuff here is fun
proud rampart
oh actually one last question
how DO we find credit costs, weight values, etc
is it just in the code or what
trim narwhal
actually does ur corpse still proc items ?
full apex
its in prefabs so the way ive gotten them is getting chinchi to dump the data LOL
steady stone
actually does ur corpse still proc items ?
it's... strange?
full apex
you cant data mine them from the code
steady stone
like polylute can proc on corpses as long as the death animation is playing
trim narwhal
no i mean if ur dead can u tesla things
steady stone
oh
trim narwhal
if so
steady stone
i dunno
proud rampart
you cant data mine them from the code
i see
so was it lots of testing then? just with an idea of what to look for
trim narwhal
you run 2.4 billion glass with 2.4 billion dios ?
full apex
steady stone
i never get tesla or headstompers 
full apex
this was the dump from sotv
trim narwhal
if ur tesla can proc off ur corpse
steady stone
i'd assume it finishes the current pulse and stops after
proud rampart
it haunts me in my dreams
trim narwhal
otherwise you owuldnt be able to print those 2.4 billion glass
steady stone
like from setting your hp to 0? no
glass changes your multiplier to 0 i think so you get revived with 0 again
trim narwhal
if you print out the 2.4 billion glass beforehand then fall onto it
steady stone
you may be immune to all damage but not if you were never alive
trim narwhal
do u pick up all 2.4 billion at once or do u pick up 128 and start dying
full apex
no lmao
steady stone
wait do you auto pick up lunars if you already have one?
frigid glen
should i do 9 bungus with enginer + 1 armor platting or go for an even 10?
trim narwhal
oh right u dont gg
steady stone
because if not it would take a LONG time to pick up all 2.4 billion
full apex
should i do 9 bungus with enginer + 1 armor platting or go for an even 10?
if you are trying for bungus probably that. the healing goes up but also the range
steady stone
should i do 9 bungus with enginer + 1 armor platting or go for an even 10?
RAPs can help against DoT like golem laser, so id go with 1
full apex
with turrets you get multiple so it probably outvalues rap
steady stone
especially for XI stage 5
trim narwhal
okok i got the build
steady stone
grrr my opinion is correct
full apex
2-3x as many effectively
trim narwhal
so glacial elites explosion scales off theeir dmg right ?
frigid glen
RAPs can help against DoT like golem laser, so id go with 1
aight thanks
steady stone
it just says "150% base damage"
proud rampart
it haunts me in my dreams
@full apex last ping for now, we still don’t know what this means correct
steady stone
so i dont know if it even scales off of monsters
trim narwhal
20 eulogy zeros and get the enemy to have 2.4 billion shaped glass and then u step on their puddle with 2.4 billion antler shields
full apex
<@307728653146652682> last ping for now, we still don’t know what this means cor...
for that stage the chest category has a weight of 45
steady stone
i read
"On death, they leave behind an ice bomb that explodes after 2 seconds. The explosion hurts all players in its radius for 150% base damage and freezes them for 1.5 seconds."
full apex
then below it is the possible chests, and their individual weights
proud rampart
so that’s what this chart meant that makes so much more sense
trim narwhal
can u pingpong dmg back and forth with antlers
full apex
its the same, just a bit more legible
proud rampart
tysm that was so unclear to me
full apex
basically multiply the two weights and thats how many copies of that card get added to the deck
from there a random number is drawn and if it can afford it, then it will buy it.
technically it regenerates the deck each time and doesnt add cards it cant afford but its the same end result as if it just rerolled
proud rampart
basically multiply the two weights and thats how many copies of that card get ad...
and then how do we find the odds of that card being pulled? how many cards even are there?
full apex
it would be everything in the categories listed, it just goes down the list for each category and everything spawnable for that stage in it
trim narwhal
is special scaling quadratic or exponential or whatever with respect to time
full apex
that will determine how many total cards end up in the deck
proud rampart
but then how many of each, is that also listed
trim narwhal
then that would make shatterspleen death proc infinitely scale off that and then quadratically amped by expansions
full apex
is special scaling quadratic or exponential or whatever with respect to time
i think it should technically be exponential because its just directly calc'd from the diff coeff
steady stone
ohh glacial just takes their base damage and the explosion is 1.5x that base
full apex
but then how many of each, is that also listed
youd have to multiply the weights
trim narwhal
ah ok so 2.4 billion shatterspleens it is
proud rampart
youd have to multiply the weights
i thought that was just the odds of it getting into the deck in the first place
as we can see i am not a knowledgeable creature sometimes
full apex
so like the first entry in the dump is 45 for chest category over and 30 for small chest though i forget if they are multiplied or what, becaue over 1k from 45x30 seems wrong but its a bit messy code wise
proud rampart
and that’s what… 1k cards in the deck?
and then from there it just does this for every interactable in every category until it has a full deck and then it just starts drawing until it’s out of credits
that’s what i got from it
full apex
for just small chests lol but it might be divided somewhere as well i think, im reading my own code rn to try and rember
proud rampart
alright, let me know what you find
it’s not like the person grading my paper would be able to tell me otherwise but i do want to get it right for the sake of it
daring cloak
How does the seed of life determine your respawn coordinates?
frigid glen
if i have 3 lysate cells with engineer is that 5 turrets or is there a hard cap?
daring cloak
Because I have seen someone report that they revived out of bounds
serene vector
so that’s what this chart meant that makes so much more sense
is this from the ror2 wiki?
daring cloak
if i have 3 lysate cells with engineer is that 5 turrets or is there a hard cap?
3 turrets max
daring cloak
Because I have seen someone report that they revived out of bounds
And I think it would be interesting if you could potentially put that to use
frigid glen
3 turrets max
thanks
full apex
alright, let me know what you find
it’s not like the person grading my paper wou...
yes when the cards are finally being actually pushed to the deck the amount is multiplied by 1/totalWeights
so essentially it does the multiplication and stuff which would end up being like 1k+ for small chests, but then once it has the total weights which would be beeg it just converts them to whatever % and adds that many copies
so like if you have 1000 for chests and everything totalled to 10000, chests would be 10% so youd push 0.1 i think
im gonna add a log to my program before that happens to see what it is
proud rampart
got it
frigid glen
im at a dilemma i got 12 bungus and 3 engineer turrents with enough scrap for one legendary, do i go rejuv rack or nukunas opinion for mithrix fight?
daring cloak
Nkuhanas
frigid glen
alrighty
full apex
got it
yea so like at this step of generation before adding to the final thinned deck, small chests was 1080
this is credit cost / weight / total weight (stage+the interactable)
i know this is a little illegible but this is the final amount added to the deck
so its the interactable weight for the stage * 1/the sum of every weight (which will be beeg) * the category weight for that stage
it basically figures out what each individual point of weight is worth as a % of the pre-thinned deck and multiples by that to not have a gatrillion cards in the final deck
for ex if everything added up to 2000, each individual point of weight is worth 0.05% so the chest 1000 would end up as 50 final
daring cloak
Uhhh can you spawn with the seed of life if you have enigma on?
I dont want to waste my life resetting endlessly for something that cant happen
full apex
Uhhh can you spawn with the seed of life if you have enigma on?
spawn with or just get?
daring cloak
Either one
full apex
oh right i got ULTRA distracted lmao but who asked about antler shield ping pong
this is actually funny as fuck it sounds like clown honks
full apex
i always end up tossing it so i never noticed it had a noise haha
daring cloak
I wish it was on... any other thing in the game
daring cloak
oh right i got ULTRA distracted lmao but who asked about antler shield ping pong
But yeah this is equivalent to 2 people pulling out an infinite amount of uno reverse cards on each other
full apex
so we were talking about MulT primaries like a gajillion years ago up here but i finally got around to just timing every combo on a titan, and im honestly a bit intrigued by the results
i also had to redo double rebar because i forgot that you have to time the retool presses now, you cant just hold for optimal dps. it was a big change too, like 8-9s faster
as expected tho PM kinda dominates, retools main sell is canceling end lags like rebar or scraps reload, or nail burst. but you have to wait out the animation each time. PM basically just gets to have double without downtime
like for ex with double nailgun you get to do 1s of nails every 0.5ish seconds, which is roughly double nail damage in theory, but you cant shoot while actually retooling. with PM, you just get true 2x nail all the time
trim narwhal
oh right i got ULTRA distracted lmao but who asked about antler shield ping pong
twas me
infinite dmg hack chronic expansion in shambles
actually razorwire would pingpong too right? but antler would keep increasing every volley with enough stacked
truly antler > wire
full apex
yea i gave enough antlers for 100% chance exactly and the damage was ramping
but player has less hp than monsters, so you basically always lose that exchange haha
also i tried putting on chaos to see if a bunch of lems would ping pong each other, but looks like it doesnt proc on allies which tbh is a good thing.
trim narwhal
time for prayer bead printer solitude stoneflux stacking
daring cloak
Ye beads are nice
trim narwhal
u get blasted but osp saves u, then ur return volley heals u back to full before the next hit
i love antler now actually
actually does osp cap antlers or does it take dmg pre osp
full apex
depends on where antler happens in the code
daring cloak
Would be pretty idiotic for antler to get cut by osp
The item is already bad enough as is
trim narwhal
the meatiest target and safest way to """abuse""" this one
probably cdr permafreezed mithrix
actually youll get double tapped since antler travel time on leech and ur spamming freezes which adds more pingpong matches
full apex
looks like it does just use damageInfo.damage so it should pass the full amount
trim narwhal
would need enough planula equal to ur max hp
full apex
i mentioned to chinchi and we think this is a bug actually!
it adds the thorns proc chain mask which should prevent ping pongs on stuff like razorwire, but it doesnt check it. so even if something has thorns masked it will ping pong
trim narwhal
it should be a feature 😠
full apex
i think this is razorwire, it checks for the thorns mask so it shouldnt ping pong
daring cloak
Fuck balance the ping pong is awesome
full apex
i do think its funny
and antler shield isnt guaranteed without stacks and doesnt pass the body in the dice roll so no luck
ping ponging is pretty niche, its funny, i think it could stay
rancid jewel
Which engi turret is best?
full apex
theyre both good for different reasons
i prefer the mobile personally, mid-late game they'll tend to have better survivability. stationary just get shredded by mushrooms, elder lems, or bells and stuff
stationary can take advantage of bustling fungus memery, but that kinda falls off unless you get really lucky and can super all in it
if you're the type to like numbers i made this a while back, has dps and procs per sec. both turrets and engi himself are improved by taking visions
stray grove
how the fuck do you find the teleporter on wetlands? i hate this map because it takes me 20 minutes to find the tele every time
full apex
particles, song, or just experience. you want to path through it once fully to get the loot anyways, you should find it while doing that
stray grove
i've done that twice now and can't find it
full apex
if its not in one of the main areas its probably in the lil cubby area with the water in it
stray grove
what song? i don't hear a thing other than bronze constructs and golems spawning
full apex
the teleporter has a distinct humming sound it makes
you can hear it when you are getting close
it matches the stage bgm, heres a vid tho you can get an idea for the type of sound it is to listen for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm_FvZsn17o
it can help you find it through walls and stuff
willow olive
it matches the stage bgm, heres a vid tho you can get an idea for the type of so...
Adding this to my playlist 
full apex
it used to be super quiet most people literally didnt know it existed and couldnt hear it even when they tried haha. but nowadays its quite loud
frigid glen
does cryocharge w railgunner contribute to death mark?
daring cloak
No
frigid glen
sad
daring cloak
Its a bit confusing but status afflictions like stun shock or freeze dont count as debuffs
full apex
i prefer cryo because no downtime is very nice, the damage is fine and the execute is nice. but supercharge is a better mega chunk
cryo has a 150% proc coefficient, supercharge is 300% which is super good
frigid glen
yeah im thinking cryo bc the way i play is alot more time spending so being able to just auto execute mithrix if im thinking of it right with the whole freeze thing since i did that with arti
full apex
the shorter CD also means you can use it to recharge shields more easily 
frigid glen
fr
full apex
i kinda love transcendence cryo railer haha
frigid glen
transcendence is realy good yeah
especially with plasma shrimp but splimp is bad on railgunner since atg's dmg pot is so much higher
full apex
just being able to on demand start the shield recharge is really nice
or well slightly on demand lol
but not having to wait for out of combat can be really powerful, its basically up to a full heal usually
frigid glen
fair enough
btw whats the 3 secret achivements
i cant find anything on the internet about it
daring cloak
Secret?
daring cloak
Oh the 3 new ones?
frigid glen
ye
daring cloak
Theyre for the unlocks of the second dlc
full apex
probably these?
frigid glen
ohhh yeah probs
frigid glen
ion have that dlc yet so i thought they would add more achivements for the characters once i bought said dlc
daring cloak
theres probably challenges for them in the logbook
Indeed
Thats also how I spoiled myself on rebirth
I didnt know what it was but simply because the challenge was in between artifacts it was obvious that there was a new one
jaunty ledge
it matches the stage bgm, heres a vid tho you can get an idea for the type of so...
This is so cool!
The little details the game has never fails to amaze me
frigid glen
is lens makers useless on railgunner?
frigid glen
alright
mellow bronze
is lens makers useless on railgunner?
each glasses is an overall 5% damage increase
willow olive
But it’s only on a weak spot hit so for you ummm 0% more damage overall 
full apex
yea, crit is already understatted compared to other damage whites, in exchange for having synergy items. so when you lower its stat benefit even further, while also not engaging with the synergies (railer passive already does it), it makes them extremely unimpressive on her
damage is still damage but if you can make it anything else thats useful its probably better
its also capped lol
i think people tend to overvalue crit in general. like its pretty good, but the synergy items all work best with high fire rate chars.
livid wedge
It's synergy on huntress
full apex
i guess railer cant use focus crystal well tho, which is usually a really nice staple example
though if you try to stay away from enemies its easier to justify watches too
livid wedge
Her smart rounds feel like they get exponentially worse once inside a certain range
Like, they'll circle the enemy instead of hitting them because of how they home in
full apex
tbh ive always kinda lowkey hated them
i try to not use them as much as possible and sometimes forget they exist haha
jaunty ledge
Yeah they're really forgettable tbh
Even for smaller things like wisps you can just quickly snipe it
willow olive
“Railer passive” is what they called me in high school 
Me making horrible jokes aside, I have an actual question.
If the heavy attack modifier was put on a skill, such as strafe, would that mean the projectiles deal more damage the faster you’re moving or the faster the projectile is moving?
humble condor
Does anyone know what the 3 environment logs left of "A Moment, Fractured" are? me and my friend are stumped what stages are left
willow olive
Does anyone know what the 3 environment logs left of "A Moment, Fractured" are? ...
Could you supply a screenshot please?
humble condor
willow olive
Ah, those are the new ambry variants!
In SotS, the ambry now has three versions. Each have their own logbook.
humble condor
Awesome! Are they set locations like in the OG Bulwark?
willow olive
Yes, and they’re all pretty easy to find.
humble condor
Thank you so much!
mellow bronze
Ah, those are the new ambry variants!
In SotS, the ambry now has three versions...
these are so rare to find and i will barely ever see them because i never loop but man they are so beautiful
willow olive
I especially like aphelian research.
Wisp is okay, a bit too spaced out for my liking.
Tar is awesome cause of the skeleton but that’s it.
full apex
Me making horrible jokes aside, I have an actual question.
If the heavy attack m...
Heavy isnt actually really a keyword per se, loader and mults heavy both work very differently
For ex loaders charged punch actually only deals 1% lol, its just that it gains 30% for every m/s of velocity and also adds 90 velocity (thus 2700% base in the description)
MulTs is based on his movement speed stat
Basically rather than being a keyword its just directly programmed into how those attacks work. So if you wanted to put heavy on something else, youd have to program it specifically, in which case you could make it do whatever you want really
willow olive
Interesting. I never really thought about the fact that the different heavy skills are calculated differently even though I knew they were.
timber flicker
When are they removing twisted elites from the game?
timber flicker
How do I play around a twisted elite? Is looping dead?
agile crystal
yes, why are you looping in risk of rain 2 anyways
no one loops, only the uncool nerds do
serene vector
no one loops, only the uncool nerds do
agile crystal
jaunty herald
Is sonorous just the best item full stop or should I situationally put different items into the reborn soup depending on who I'm playing the next run as
Sorry if that's a dumb ass question
livid wedge
It's not as OP since they nerfed it. I'd still take clover or some power item for a shorter run
But looping, probably best
jaunty herald
Currently I've been doing one loop and getting the green path second time around but I've been getting pretty unlucky with the spawns so I end up having to loop a few times to get onto the green path
So yeah it's probably best if I get an unlucky run like that
silver comet
can merc boop now in the new update or am I just having skill issues, since I'm going into their hitbox and it just does nothing
glacial knoll
Pretty sure the new worse enemy physics no longer allow him to slam
peak holly
Pretty sure the new worse enemy physics no longer allow him to slam
You couldn’t slam on console, or it was extremely difficult so makes sense
analog brook
For ex loaders charged punch actually only deals 1% lol, its just that it gains ...
This is a crazy factoid honestly
Also sounds like it impacts the damage wayyy more then people think
glass prism
damn
rocky cape
Does anyone know the code to put in to get the lost son on the XML file? I'm not wasting my life away looking for this gold guy I just wanna mess around with a new character
sturdy phoenix
Its really not that hard
If you cant do the work to get it you shouldnt be able to play it
rocky cape
Wow good for you getting good luck and finding a gold shrine
I'm not wasting any more of my time I'm just gonna put it in the XML file :3
sturdy phoenix
If ur life is going around asking people in discord what the xml file is -note this will probably take at least an hour with getting the character by putting in the work only taking like 15m tops unless ur shit- i think im good thanks i dont really wanna be a lozer
Also you dont have a life you play battle cats💀
rocky cape
thanks to who told me in dm
rocky cape
Also you dont have a life you play battle cats💀
Ok? I don't see how that relates. That's a mobile game. Imagine taking this so seriously lmao stop snooping around :3
rocky cape
If ur life is going around asking people in discord what the xml file is -note t...
Instead of being bitchy maybe you should keep your mouth shut sometimes hope this helps ❤️
sturdy phoenix
maybe you could figure out how to edit code and you could do it yourself that way but still no ur still to lazy to do it yourself. and maybe if you werent lazy you could get a gf too but ig ur dreams dont come true
livid wedge
Is 
bonus damage applied to things even if they don't have a proc coef? I know it won't have an explosive radius but will the damage still get increased?
sturdy phoenix
the explosions from the item have their own proc coef
just like the missle from atg
livid wedge
Right, but is all damage increased? Like, is the damage tied to the resulting damage having a proc coef or is all damage increased and then things with a proc coef also explode?
rocky cape
maybe you could figure out how to edit code and you could do it yourself that wa...
projecting a bit, aren't we?
sturdy phoenix
projecting a bit, aren't we?
cant you see im trying to be helpfull here maybe you could try it
livid wedge
Can yall take that to dms?
sturdy phoenix
Can yall take that to dms?
sry thats a better idea
livid wedge
Right, but is all damage increased? Like, is the damage tied to the resulting da...
@full apex
austere spade
Fr tbh i do kind of want to see if brilliant behemoth does damage even without a proc coefficient
livid wedge
I would test it if I were not in the middle of a game
sturdy phoenix
it does
livid wedge
Big mcthankies from mcspankies
livid wedge
I always assume Australia is 12 hours ahead of me when it is not the case
I even watch a couple aussie streamers
sturdy phoenix
yea aussies don't get enough recognition
trim narwhal
the explosions from the item have their own proc coef
no it has 0.0 coefficient
trim narwhal
Is <:R_BrilliantBehemoth:583873950099046440> bonus damage applied to things even...
no, its easy to test with bleeds or poisons, 0.0 coeff wont explode and wont do extra dmg
hushed narwhal
What are the best items for railgunner as I’m trying him for the first time and I’m struggling to get his skin for beating monsoon difficulty
daring cloak
With railgunner you mainly want to focus on good burst items
So crowbars, bands, atgs n all that are very valuable items for her
She also benefits from attack speed increases
not because it lets her do more damage but because it lets her shoot the homing pellets faster which are a great way to let her move in the air better
livid wedge
Uku is nice with supercharge because it has a proc coef of 3, so the uku has a 75% of lightning and since it pierces, everything gonna lightning everything
analog brook
Is <:R_BrilliantBehemoth:583873950099046440> bonus damage applied to things even...
Stuff needs a proc co to activate behemoth
Man I really need to start scrolling down before replying fuck
livid wedge
Man
livid wedge
Makes sense. That's the big question I was asking, thank you
mystic wasp
Yes I know I have longstanding solitude but I'm close to level and been sitting here for 10 minutes and nothing else has spawned. Also what gives for all those Celestine and twisted aoes? Are they messing with some sort of mob cap? (if there even is one?)
trim narwhal
theres a mob cap yea but im not sure on details or why u have infinite aoes
wild island
daring cloak
You.... go into the online multiplayer mode
trim narwhal
proof?
short laurel
does anyone know how to fix the problem of no multiplayer lobbies loading? ive relaunched the game, refreshed, went to menu and back in, nothing has fixed it
left trellis
does anyone know how to fix the problem of no multiplayer lobbies loading? ive r...
try toggling crossplay in the options
short laurel
well it has worked before sometimes it doesnt but ill try that, thanks!
short laurel
how do i turn crossplay on? I cant find the setting
full apex
first option
short laurel
oh i see it, its already on
short laurel
sounds good, thanks!
stable whale
does anyone know if the elite equipment (ifrit's in this case) drop rates are affected by either artifact of command or sacrifice? because i just got one while having 3 puritys and i have to believe that something is up because otherwise that chance is astronomically low
rancid jewel
What's a good huntress build? Having trouble trying to win monsoon as her and I'm going insane
full apex
does anyone know if the elite equipment (ifrit's in this case) drop rates are af...
shouldnt be, just luck. maybe you just turbo gamered there haha
daring cloak
I can
Me personally Ive encountered a ton of stuff that from a chance point is extremely unlikely
Granted even combined its probably not as insane as this but youd be surprised how often things just defy probability and happen anyways
Though there is always the option of the code bugging and the odds not being what they shouldve been
frigid glen
for mul-t what loadout do you guys use for fun? i used nail gun + missle with defaut special and right now im using double rebar defeat spec
full apex
do u prefer retool, pm, or both ?
full apex
does anyone know if the elite equipment (ifrit's in this case) drop rates are af...
ok i can do no more 😭 but with 3 purity i didnt get any aspects from this
so it should be working as intended, you just got insanely lucky
base chance is 1/4k so id expect to see at least 1 if i was at base luck despite holding purity
stable whale
that is just... if i did the math right that should be a 0.0000000000000000390625% chance???
rancid jewel
for mul-t what loadout do you guys use for fun? i used nail gun + missle with de...
Double scrap launcher
full apex
that is just... if i did the math right that should be a 0.000000000000000039062...
incredible hahahaah
casual 1/256000000000000
unreal
but i guess it had to happen to someone!
stable whale
i cant post images here (trying to show that it actually happened) but im just in awe
stable whale
oh fair, i just joined here to ask about this lol lemme get one
frigid glen
Double scrap launcher
thanks
stable whale
ignore the absolute mess of a build 😭 i was memeing hard
full apex
thats really cool tbh
its possible the chance like breaks down and rounds or something at some point, but even if that happened it would be insanely rare
stable whale
yeah this is something im gonna be talking about for a while lmfao
full apex
its better than this lol
stable whale
thats wild too LMAO
im relatively new to this game so i feel like nothing cool is going to happen to me for the next 200 hours now
full apex
aspects are pretty rare to begin with so getting one like that is definitely silly
stable whale
yeah its the first time i got an aspect
daring cloak
casual 1/256000000000000
Yeah that is insane
Am I glad that this got reported here and didnt just get lost to time snd lack of sharing
full apex
is that a question because if so yes, if its a statement then truuu
jaunty herald
Am I understanding it correctly that PC got console's version of the game?
full apex
i dont think so? the two versions should be in parity though
jaunty herald
Oh okay I've seen a few people saying that as fact
full apex
we havent really gotten word on whether or not console stuff was ported over, but if some parts were it def didnt replace the rest
dim surge
does anyone know how to fix the problem of no multiplayer lobbies loading? ive r...
super late but what me and my friend did was close steam and risk of rain on task manager
oh wait that was for muliplier lobbies on publics
dim surge
super late but what me and my friend did was close steam and risk of rain on tas...
well here's the fix for the lobbies not loading with other players to the character select
short laurel
thank you!
does anyone have any tips for beating monsoon with these survivors? I got to like, stage 6 with commando and thats it 😭 and I mean ANY tips not including mods
as in artifacts, specific items even, just anything
full apex
if you are willing to use artifacts, sacrifice invalidates the difficulty scaling basically and swarms increases the drop rates. command can be used to make things trivial as well, and when combined you can get the game playing itself pretty efficiently
otherwise if you dont have commandos alts those are good to get, basically all of his alt skills are upgrades
are you familiar with proc chains as a whole?
short laurel
i do not have any of the alts but i can try to get them
no i am not
I have utility alt and thats all
full apex
there are certain items that activate on hit, like sticky bomb, but there are other ones that also activate items on hit, like ukulele or atg. those are the proc chain items, because they can cause chain reactions of each other
short laurel
oh that much i know about
full apex
because they ramp each other so well, getting many unique proc chain items can make your damage very very high by itself, so like 
+ 
+ 
+ 
+ 
will make your damage unreal by themselves
short laurel
i dont know what i thought you meant im sorry
full apex
we got two new ones in the form of runic lens and boomerang
if you want a really silly build to try, getting full forgive me please with chronic expansion is basically game breaking right now
short laurel
i cant get any expansions at the moment
full apex
ah gotcha
short laurel
if they cost money which id assume so
full apex
yea then grabbing proc chains is a good idea if you can, for commando he fires fast so bleed is quite good
if you can get crit and some synergy like scythe and or predatory instincts, thats pretty nice on him
if you are willing to use lunars, essence to replace his special is pretty strong
short laurel
so i want artifacts of command, devotion, sacrifice and swarms and choose chain items, bleed, and pred, and essense, anything else?
full apex
if they cost money which id assume so
also yea they cost some dolers
short laurel
yea thought so
full apex
so i want artifacts of command, devotion, sacrifice and swarms and choose chain ...
devotion is probably optional, idk how well it scales but if you just want a win so mith early then it might be pretty solid i need to experiment more
is delusion base game rn? if devotion is
if you want to run normally since sac has a slow start, you can use delusion to just get 2x as many items. it was changed and is quite abuseable right now, since the chests reset even if you havent picked up their item
short laurel
i do not have delusion but I dont have all the artifacts unlocked, i believe it is base game though
full apex
yea its whatever was picked up last that it sets to, so using command you can get two items at a time
short laurel
oh ok so i should work for delusion first
full apex
just in order to not forget, loot the stage once opening all chests and leaving the items, taking trishops and stuff is fine, and then after the tele go back through, pick up the item and immediately redeem a copy from the chest
its quite powerful rn
short laurel
but if i use sacrifice there arent any chests
full apex
right, youd do one or the other
short laurel
oh ok
full apex
delusion would be more like a normal run just youd be stronger, sac makes the timer irrelevant since the item drop rates are tied to difficulty coefficient
short laurel
what does sac mean? im sorry
full apex
sacrifice sorry
short laurel
oh its fine
full apex
i think the timer stops in void fields again, they changed it twice haha
short laurel
it does yes
full apex
so using sacrifice you can easily game break by idling in there because infinite time
full apex
just get enough survivability like bustling fungus and then slowly increase your power level. you just sit outside the cell and infinitely farm
short laurel
yea
full apex
each new enemy type is its own director so if you do that try to get all the enemy types first for maximum farming lol
short laurel
oh yea thats fair
i have all but 2 unlocked
I assume its void enemies?
no i have all but 3, my bad
no its 2 im looking at it wrong im sorry lol
or is it based off of how many logs you have?
short laurel
like 2 monsters in the enemy tab have a lock on it
full apex
ohh
short laurel
full apex
i shared the first page of my logbook here for someone
not the second tho
ig it would be whatever is missing?
i dont think stuff you dont have from like the DLCs would be there right?
short laurel
idk cause everyrhing im missing a log for looks like what that grandparent one looks like
i doubt it
id assume its just base game enemies
full apex
the one is grandparent yea
vague acorn
the one is grandparent yea
wait since when were you a mod?
short laurel
id assume one is voidling
full apex
uhhhhh years now
short laurel
lol
vague acorn
uhhhhh years now
maybe i'm just blind 😔
vague acorn
ik mithrix for me is locked like that
short laurel
i have mythrix, maybe it is voidling
full apex
my first message so since here
short laurel
idk what the other would be
vague acorn
my first message so since here
ok yea i'm just dumb, I don't think i knew about ror2 back then 😭
short laurel
what equipment would be more useful for commando
short laurel
i just died give me just a sec lol
imma try to get an equipment command screen and show that
vague acorn
imma try to get an equipment command screen and show that
oh the equip command? it depends on ur items and whether ur doing sacrifice or not
if you are and have 0 items, i'd reccomend seed of life, if you aren't, get card
short laurel
no i mean when you use the command artifact, where you choose the item
just to show what i have unlocked
vague acorn
ohhhh
full apex
if you are and have 0 items, i'd reccomend seed of life, if you aren't, get card
those are both dlc im p sure
seed sots and i think card is sotv
vague acorn
ahh
short laurel
sadly
vague acorn
are you playing with any artifacts?
full apex
in base game capacitor is always safe, short CD infinite range beeg damage, preon is great burst but long CD, sawmerang, crowdfunder is real strong past like stage 3 or 4 you should have enough money to use it consistently and with sacrifice its basically free
vague acorn
recycler is pretty good too
short laurel
command, sacrafice, and swarms is what i was told
vague acorn
command, sacrafice, and swarms is what i was told
ok don't use recycler then
full apex
yea, not useful with command tho you dont need it
vague acorn
missile launcher is pretty good, and sometimes in early game I find the back up is helpful
short laurel
i never use command cause i never know what to choose
full apex
missile launcher is ok, its easy to use but for the CD the damage isnt very good
short laurel
but i was given a list
vague acorn
if you're struggling with survivability, pick either jaded or gnarled woodsprite
full apex
its like 45s for 3600% or smth, capacitor is like 20 for 3000 haha
short laurel
that is nice, thank you
vague acorn
missile is good cuz of the good multitarget
short laurel
im sorry for all the questions but once the ukulele goes off does that damage then have a chance to set ukulele off again?
livid wedge
im sorry for all the questions but once the ukulele goes off does that damage th...
No, a proc chain cannot reproc an item already procced in the chain
short laurel
what if you have multiple proc chain? do the others set it off or only damage directly from the survivor?
full apex
what if you have multiple proc chain? do the others set it off or only damage di...
you can have multiple branches, they just cant infinitely loop
so like your attack can proc an atg and a ukulele, and that atg can proc a uke and also the base uke can proc an atg, so its like two branches
thats why they ramp each other so hard, because just adding one more adds chances for a ton of branches to happen
livid wedge
Your total number of proc chains is n!, where n is the number of items that can proc, I think
full apex
No, a proc chain cannot reproc an item already procced in the chain
also all except runic meteor because its broken
thats dlc tho.
short laurel
oh ok thats what i was interested in, thanks!
full apex
i did a kina text like example back here
if that makes sense
all the possible branches with 3 unique chain items
granted its only a chance for those to happen but on average its still quite strong
short laurel
it does make senae, thanks!
full apex
you can see how having 5 is like
wild hahaha
also a major reason clover is so strong, is because it makes your branches more likely to go deeper
short laurel
i see
ive just been starting woth 5 of every proc item and healing and go up from there
and apr
what would be the best red item
oh hook nvm
livid wedge
So yeah, it's n factorial, where n is the amount of proc items you have
jaunty herald
What's the best item for huntress after the update, don't have sonorous to green soup
livid wedge
Likelihood of you getting multiple proc chains is another matter
short laurel
can the tougher times make you invincible? if so wouldnt it be 7?
quasi crystal
Tougher times doesn't stack like that
quasi crystal
It's not linear stacking
short laurel
what does that mean
quasi crystal
It's not actually 15+15%
quasi crystal
The formula is really complicated but just know that you never have a 100% chance to block and after 10 or so stacking them impacts the chance less and less
short laurel
i saw that the max was around 60%
quasi crystal
No the max is going to be 99.999999+
short laurel
itll just take a long time and a bunch of items?
quasi crystal
Yeah
short laurel
dang
full apex
oh I just looked it up, I see
on average it ends up behaving like a linear effective health increase, since if you dodge 50% of attacks it takes on avg 200% as much damage to kill you, and dodging 66% (taking 33%) requires avg 300% to kill you from normal. this is basically how armor works too, the difference is that tougher times will be way less consistent since you may or may not block big vs small hits etc, but the more you stack the faster it hits the average
so like for the first stack, the avg damage youll take is 1 / 1.15, which is 86.9%, and getting hit by 87 ish% means blocking 13%
2 would be 1/1.3, which is on avg take 77%, so block 23%
hidden leaf
Odd question, would Noxious Thorn work with Bandits hemorrhage? Been trying to unlock the Shiv ability
glacial knoll
Odd question, would Noxious Thorn work with Bandits hemorrhage? Been trying to u...
Noxious Thorn doesn't work.
daring cloak
Odd question, would Noxious Thorn work with Bandits hemorrhage? Been trying to u...
Would yes
Does no
glacial knoll
It never adds more debuffs right now
hidden leaf
Gotcha
livid wedge
Do you think if noxious thorns worked properly, it would make acrids blight better or more competitive with poison?
mellow bronze
no
hidden leaf
I think it'd help make it more usable in casual games, but poison is crazy good
livid wedge
In the end, maybe that's good enough
quasi crystal
How is it supposed to work again+1 stack of a debuff per stack
daring cloak
Yes
quasi crystal
Is it randomly selected or every debuff that target has
livid wedge
Every debuff
onyx oxide
if I have 10 len's maker glasses and a shatterspleen does the tri tip dagger do anything?
daring cloak
No
onyx oxide
so I can ditch them for the corrupted version of tri tip daggers?
daring cloak
Yes
livid wedge
Feels weird that you can't double stack if the dlc is disabled
Just a straight up nerd
Although, double stacking is definitely stupid levels of damage quicklu
glacial knoll
having a dlc enabled doesn't make a difference
livid wedge
I know, that's my complaint
I don't have access to needletick without the dlc so I don't have the opportunity to stack bleed and corruption
glacial knoll
it's just a balance change in general
livid wedge
Yeah, I get it in practice because double stacking bleed is silly
But funny enough, you can do that in the dlc with 
The more I play without sotv, the more I feel that it's such a buff to have access to the items
The enemies and other things that were added for difficulty do not balance the benefits of the rest
sacred ingot
sooo, scav item drops are really hidden inside the bag model now? no way to see the items before picking them up?
livid wedge
You might have gotten the bag in a bad spot. They're definitely supposed to be thrown out a couple feet from the bag on opening
You can always ping them, too
sacred ingot
wut
daring cloak
Or go close enough to them for the manual pick up prompt to appear
livid wedge
Weird
sacred ingot
maybe a mod problem then?
daring cloak
maybe a mod problem then?
Go play a bit of unmodded and see if they still do it
Just spawn a scav bag with console commands
sacred ingot
yeah i'll try
peak jacinth
starting to realize the infestors not popping up bug is a bigger issue than just an annoyance since they can infect an enemy instantly
daring cloak
Ye its a bit annoying
I got used to them just sitting in place being invuln for like a second because console's always had em like that but the occasional launch 20 meters away is new
livid wedge
I hate that railgunners primary doesn't or rarely doesn't hit the infestors unless they jump
tacit summit
does luck affect sale star
glacial knoll
yes
ornate gust
maybe a mod problem then?
If its actually_faster that puts all the items within the bag itself
Cuz of the faster animations
sacred ingot
If its actually_faster that puts all the items within the bag itself
wow ty you just saved me the trouble of figuring out which mod
ornate gust
No probs cuz it literally happened to me today lollll
sacred ingot
too bad then cuz no time to wait for printers to do their thing
ornate gust
No no
sacred ingot
guess ill just keep on getting surprise bags
ornate gust
U can just remove the animation for the scav bag in the config in r2modman
Or like just chests
ornate gust
really? i never even touched that funcion
If u turn this into false it'll remove all normal chest animation ones and maybe scav bag?
U can change each one
sacred ingot
i'll come back w the answer when i can
ornate gust
I can test it out rn
sacred ingot
also weird question here: anyone knows if quail's quick move boost counts towards higher fire rate for little disciple? just curious if i can spam quail for more projectiles
ornate gust
i'll come back w the answer when i can
Yep just tested, as i assumed, disable the "Chest drop brrrrrt" and the scav bag will be back to normal
sacred ingot
Yep just tested, as i assumed, disable the "Chest drop brrrrrt" and the scav bag...
cool, tyyyy
ornate gust
No probs
peak jacinth
also weird question here: anyone knows if quail's quick move boost counts toward...
I don’t think quail counts as move speed for that calculation, but i’m not 100% sure
actually, scratch that, it really might. ima test this later
odd robin
as pc player can I play with a ps4/5 player ? Or is it impossible ?
ornate gust
as pc player can I play with a ps4/5 player ? Or is it impossible ?
Nah sadly not cuz there is no crossplay
odd robin
Nah sadly not cuz there is no crossplay
ah ic ty 4 answering me
ornate gust
No probs
hidden elk
cool, tyyyy
Yooo thanks I was wondering what was causing this
ornate gust
Yep no worries
And guys
Molten perfortator or shatterspleen?
I have 10 crit glasses and i have a shatterspleen, but theres a perforator printer
Shatterspleen goes crazy with the 10 crit tho
hidden elk
Really depends if you want to loop or fight a final boss soon. Bleed is much better against final bosses @ornate gust
ornate gust
Yeahh im gonna be going to false son
hidden elk
In general shatterspleen is better but molten perf does stack better
Yea def shatterspleen then
hidden elk
Also i think it’s explosion has a proc coefficient if it is like will-o-wisp so it helps with proc chains anyways
ornate gust
And it does percentage damage aswell
Ive been doin good damage throughout the run so far so i shall stick with this
peak jacinth
Molten perfortator or shatterspleen?
little too late but this is usually dependent on character
peak jacinth
molten perf would probably have been better, but both are really good and if you were close to going to false son then yea perf would be worse
peak jacinth
or i guess i should say, molten perf is better in normal play, but worse for bosses
ornate gust
Oh yeah i got a laser scope too so it worked out
ornate gust
or i guess i should say, molten perf is better in normal play, but worse for bos...
Makes sense
quasi crystal
Wouldn't Merf be good with baubles
peak jacinth
Wouldn't Merf be good with baubles
yes it would, iirc merf has 1 fireball which shoots directly up so for slow moving enemies (like ones affected by either bauble) that one will hit them
quasi crystal
Yeah you're right i was just throwing out an idea if they had picked up merf
ornate gust
Good to know
Huh just learned that grandparents can spawn on loop in shattered abodes/disturbed impact
Also the newt locations for the map isnt listed in the wiki
Found one thankfully
quasi crystal
Lol yeah there's a mod that has disturbed preloop and seeing a weak ass grandparent is funny as hell
hidden elk
Oh I didn’t realize you already had full bleed chance, sorta redundant at that point lol
quasi crystal
Well now they can use needletick
ornate gust
Okay another conundrum do i pick up the fire aspect that just dropped or keep my preon which has obliterated everything thus far
Noted that i have behemoth now too
quasi crystal
Ooh behemoth I think behemoth double procs fite
daring cloak
Ooh behemoth I think behemoth double procs fite
Idk
ornate gust
I might pick it up just so that i have all burn, crit and bleed in every hit
daring cloak
Behemoth does have a proc coefficient of 0 which usually means nothing can proc off of it
Including non chance based things like bands
quasi crystal
it inherits attack types which is what makes me think it might
But the aspect is probably a proc you're right
quasi crystal
Oh ok
ornate gust
I might pick it up
ornate gust
I might pick it up just so that i have all burn, crit and bleed in every hit
Cuz its rare and also cuz this
quasi crystal
Up to you, you're pretty powerful no matter you bring at this stage
peak jacinth
Okay another conundrum do i pick up the fire aspect that just dropped or keep my...
always take the aspect for the novelty
daring cloak
always take the aspect for the novelty
I usually put them on equipment drones if there is an equipment thats much better suited for the situation
And then protect that drone with my life
ornate gust
Okay so probably an oversight, but the focused convergence zone colour is basically identical to the twisted elite zone colour
And so i keep thinkin theres some twisted guy chillin in the tp til i realise its just the convergence lmao
daring cloak
Yeah I hate that too
ornate gust
So true
The new skin issssssss
Its alright, i think i prefer oni more
The sword is cool tho
trim narwhal
both skins only usable with wolfos mod to recolor the actual slashes to red/green i fear
ornate gust
Ah yeah thatd make it better
The colours on the skin in general not my fav
But its the whole jade theme so fair enough
ornate gust
Does merc's dash invuln negate the void explosion from void reavers?
daring cloak
No
ornate gust
Ah fair
daring cloak
Implosions dont care about invuln
glacial knoll
HiddenInvuln wouldn't do that and pretty sure his hitbox stays
daring cloak
The only way to avoid the implosions is to literally lose your hitbox
daring cloak
Which is only done by strides of heresy, viend's trespasses and maybe soujourn
glacial knoll
yeah sojourn do that
daring cloak
Neat
ornate gust
Cool
daring cloak
Also do strides remove your collision too?
peak jacinth
I usually put them on equipment drones if there is an equipment thats much bette...
blazing equipment drone my beloved
livid wedge
blazing equipment drone my beloved
Not as fun when you don't have access to 
peak jacinth
Not as fun when you don't have access to <:R_Spare_Drone_Parts:94905402731909131...
even more fun
my run with the blazing equipment drone was pre-sotv
livid wedge
I actually lost a run because I accidentally gave the blazing equipment to a drone and stood dumbfounded just long enough to get bonked by an elder lemurian
peak jacinth
bro I kept shooting at it thinking it was some random blazing flying enemy it was so funny
slim spoke
ur fault lmao
slim spoke
bro I kept shooting at it thinking it was some random blazing flying enemy it wa...
justifiable
slim spoke
who likes being slam dunked by an elder lemu anyway
livid wedge
Doesn't really happen anymore. I respect the threat they represent and keep distance
haughty tapir
is this build… bad?
and why does it… work
(note, its been a stage since i had the chance to scrap)
, 
, and 
on Arti is an awesome combo
sacred ingot
is this build… bad?
this showcases why im not a fan of the infinite lunar coin """"trick""""
8 freaking transcendeces
but a cool build nonetheless
full apex
this showcases why im not a fan of the infinite lunar coin """"trick""""
To be fair its just a time save
Farming coins is ez but annoying
sacred ingot
but why farm them tho
full apex
To spend on 8 transcendences?
daring cloak
Farming coins is ez but annoying
And thats the point
full apex
If thats fun for someone then why not
sacred ingot
If thats fun for someone then why not
well yeah i guess so
daring cloak
Its annoying to get lunar coins naturally so youre automatically be more mindful of spending them
sacred ingot
Its annoying to get lunar coins naturally so youre automatically be more mindful...
yep, this is my point
daring cloak
I dont like the lunar coin mechanic but I think its tolerable
sacred ingot
i just think it strips all the fun out if u can mindlessly spam the lunar shop
full apex
I suppose so, maybe if you actually had to play the game to most easily get more, but as is its just lodr drizzle spam
sacred ingot
for broken items
steady stone
Lunar cheating is all perspective though
full apex
I have a lot of coins, i just limit how many times i roll
steady stone
Like I got max coins but I simply don't use them
full apex
I go to 8, if i reeeally want something 16
But thats usually like trying hard to force light flux builds
steady stone
Sometimes lunar runs are just fun and I don't want to take out a loan
full apex
Just get 20 eulogy
I should do a run where i start with that it would be funny i bet
Everything is lunars
steady stone
Simple enough with 1 command
full apex
Yea
steady stone
I should do a run where i start with that it would be funny i bet
Although for this, you should be forced to pick up every item
sacred ingot
I dont like the lunar coin mechanic but I think its tolerable
i really think their low drop rates naturally balances the craziness that are most lunars, so dont really see the point in having a gazillion just to.. keep yourself from using them (?)
steady stone
Also evolution because funny lunars on enemies
sacred ingot
Sometimes lunar runs are just fun and I don't want to take out a loan
but then there's this
daring cloak
One eulogy is better than 20 eulogies
Because then you will still accumulate that you at some point can all turn into a singular lunar at a printer
steady stone
i really think their low drop rates naturally balances the craziness that are mo...
Well think of it as just theoretical, you can just choose "hey I've done a lot of runs, how about an ego build today!'
full apex
Although for this, you should be forced to pick up every item
no way too many things would become unplayable 😭
0 movement speed, 0 healing from stacked bloom
sacred ingot
Well think of it as just theoretical, you can just choose "hey I've done a lot o...
yeah i see ur point ig
steady stone
With the exception of stone flux...
full apex
though i guess it would become irrelevant when you get trance
daring cloak
With the exception of stone flux...
No
Especially stone flux
Actually then again
I was gonna suggest running diablo captain so you can play golf with yourself to move around but youd quickly turn into the heretic anyways
full apex
oh right
steady stone
Nothing increases speed with lunars right
full apex
also it wouldnt work once you get glass
full apex
Nothing increases speed with lunars right
right
steady stone
I was gonna suggest running diablo captain so you can play golf with yourself to...
Microbots
Still the best character
full apex
youd have no healing actually best is bloom
full apex
purity would make trying to abuse tonic for healing rough
steady stone
I wonder if we could make it so enemies all had eulogy and did evolution artifact
Although eulogy is global...
daring cloak
Like a 51 stone flux run or... whatever this scam was
full apex
ig you could take just 10 for 50%, then you could get normal items which might make taking every lunar less bad lol
steady stone
Or like... 5 eulogy, but pick all lunars up
So if you get a bunch of bad rolls it's not just completely over
Can't have too much roguelike in my roguelike
steady stone
Not if you can't move
The scaling from waiting for all the stone flux to remove would end the run
daring cloak
Dont need to move when you have 50k hp
steady stone
Ending timer
daring cloak
Just use enemies to push you
daring cloak
With that little movement speed your friction will become so small its like someone taped soap to your shoes
Like I felt like sisyphus slowly running up a root on grove to get to the tp only for a lesser or greater wisp to always spawn midway through and knock me back down
haughty tapir
this showcases why im not a fan of the infinite lunar coin """"trick""""
ussually i dont abuse it, just decided, fuck it, 8 trancendce would be funny as hell
haughty tapir
is this build… bad?
anyways can someone explain why my build kills everything
and how i have only almost died once
-# literally i was on 2 hp lol, almost died from burn.
daring cloak
You should replace molotov with helfire tincture
daring cloak
Nah youll dodge everything
daring cloak
But it cant kill you
haughty tapir
wait what?
daring cloak
Tincture will only take you down to 1 hp
daring cloak
I wouldve lost so many runs simply looking how much self damage tincture dealt
haughty tapir
anyways, the build is just so funny, (and it was op even before the trancedence)
chrome ocean
How does the "Artifact of Delusion" Work? I dont Really Understand it At all.
daring cloak
So an item drops out of a chest
Once you pick that item up the game remembers what it was and which chest it came out of
daring cloak
Once the teleporter event is over you can return to that chest and the game will give you 3 items to choose from
If you pick wrong the game will take the item from you that you thought was it
If you picked correct the item will give you another copy of the item that you got originally
chrome ocean
Oh, thanks.
daring cloak
Theres more
chrome ocean
really?
daring cloak
If you recycle the item the game will treat the new item as the correct item
And iirc if you use sale star on a chest the game will count the last item you picked up from the group as the correct item
chrome ocean
If you recycle the item the game will treat the new item as the correct item
So As An Example: When i Take a Sticky bomb And then Put it in the Recycle Thing Then i Gotta Click On The Scrap Inside the Remember thing?
jaunty ledge
There's also a "cheese" with it
If you open a chest and don't pick the item up, charge the tele, pick the item up, and THEN open the chest you'll know exactly what's in it
daring cloak
So As An Example: When i Take a Sticky bomb And then Put it in the Recycle Thing...
No
jaunty ledge
So As An Example: When i Take a Sticky bomb And then Put it in the Recycle Thing...
Nonono not that
the 
daring cloak
I mean recycler the equipment
chrome ocean
Oh Mb
daring cloak
Once you actually pick the item up the game will remember what it was
chrome ocean
Okay i Understand Ty
daring cloak
Glad we could help
rancid jewel
Trying to get rex mastery, What items does he work best with?
full apex
nvm i think i got it. 1, 2, 3 <:facepalm:232309813768486912>
there are 4, player, monster, void, and lunar
pure sable
there are 4, player, monster, void, and lunar
yeah, i got it
pure sable
yeah i just needed it to set player level
full apex
icic
pure sable
its on the debugtoolkit wiki
full apex
debug toolkit should autocomplete for you too
pure sable
its not been, not sure why
full apex
is it updated?
pure sable
it used to
daring cloak
there are 4, player, monster, void, and lunar
Lunar? Is that ever used?
pure sable
im on downpatch
full apex
Lunar? Is that ever used?
moon
i think the vreavers in the escape are also lunar
i forgort
daring cloak
But.... why make a separate team for that
pure sable
i think the vreavers in the escape are also lunar
dont think so, the lunar enemies fight them
or does that not have anything to do with it
quasi crystal
@daring cloak this happened to me like an hour ago
||if you must ask about the time I was commited to farming diablo despite all my procs and spent like 30 mins doing it||
pure sable
<@826543386546798682> this happened to me like an hour ago
||if you must ask ab...
did you print infusions or something
daring cloak
<@826543386546798682> this happened to me like an hour ago
||if you must ask ab...
What items did he take
Overall this just feels... odd
Something there is erroring
full apex
anything in console?
daring cloak
And when the line of code errors the game simp,y tries to run it again until it works
full apex
looks like warped echo is trying to interact with his self damage???
quasi crystal
id be going by memory because the clip ends before the results, but for sure he took chronic and echo, other items he took were like warbonds, stompers, medkit, monster tooth, tesla (blacklisted holy shit), energy, mocha, ap rounds, an elixir, watches, crowbar, bands, polylute, shatterspleen
full apex
wasnt there a bug on him with echo that got fixed?
quasi crystal
yeah
daring cloak
Ye
pure sable
you can check your items in your run report file
full apex
dump_inventories
quasi crystal
oh shit, where that at
pure sable
daring cloak
Main culprit was chronic as it caused errors due to mithrix having no kill count
pure sable
go to your risk of rain 2 directory > Risk of Rain 2_Data > RunReports > sort by date
daring cloak
But that got patched according to gearbox and the lack of reports on that buf
Until literally right now
pure sable
hopefully itemstacks shows even if mithrix takes them just thought about that
quasi crystal
im a little dumb where would i find mithrixs items because it shows everything ive collected and what i had on death
pure sable
i never said it shows mithrix's items
thats not what i meant
you could deduce what he had tho based on what you gained back
quasi crystal
oh ok
Well i think this is what you meant? It shows things i very much scrapped but i guess it can still be deduced
rapid current
Does eulogy zero affect sacrifice
jaunty ledge
Yes
steady stone
Does eulogy zero affect sacrifice
it also affects evolution and void fields, as of pre-sots at least, but as far as I know it still does
rapid current
How many bears for 90 block chance
rapid current
Probably at least 200
Does eulogy zero with 20 stacks 100 % lunar or It IS like bear
daring cloak
20 eulogy is 100%
livid wedge
Better off with safer spaces if you want invulnerability
full apex
How many bears for 90 block chance
for 90% blocked its 10% taken, 1/10 is 10, so 1000%, with 15% per stack thats 66.7 stacks
daring cloak
Damn I was off by a longshot 
full apex
Damn I was off by a longshot <:wispcryyy:930220148093235200>
i think 200 should be 3.3% taken, so 96.6% blocked
3000% ehp up lmao
gilded dirge
Should I ever bother with seer lenses?
full apex
yea they are pretty good
if you have a good attack rate it can add up pretty quick, and your proc chain items like uke can activate it too
affected by luck as well
quasi crystal
Should I ever bother with seer lenses?
survivor dependant
full apex
yea. if you arent really interested or have good crit synergy it can become really powerful, especially in looping runs, but because it doesnt work on bosses if you intend to go to a final boss soon it might not be worthwhile
livid wedge
Good on railgunner because she really doesn't need or want crit glasses
full apex
yea
livid wedge
I feel like 
would be more relevant if it was +200% with the first stack rather than +100%
Additional stacks still +100%
Without feeling overpowered
full apex
it would be nice if it gave some crit
crit synergy item tht doesnt give crit... the only one.. lol
livid wedge
Oooh, like maybe doubles your crit chance from other items
So railgunner could get some use out of glasses
full apex
but yea at best with already maxed crit its 200% -> 300% so 50% improvement. which is just worse than behemoth already, let alone if you arent max crit
livid wedge
At least the damage stacks, unlike behemoth
Although reds aren't really common and multiples are rarer still
Nah, doubling crit chance also seems meh
It needs something special or additional, kind of like how 
gives AS and 
gives health
full apex
i mean it would be nicer if it gave like 10-20% crit, 15% would work nicely with our 3 other synergy items for an even 30%
livid wedge
Maybe crits ricochet or something?
Yeah, slapping on a 5% like the other ones seems pretty good
I think ricochets would turn it into a real red item, one that's a synergy capstone
I think that can fit the motif of the item by tweaking the logbook a little
In the end, it's still good on bandit and railgunner without needing additional items for reasons
I'm sure people have already suggested better ideas anyway
full apex
i like 15% because its red, but if it had sufficiently pogger other effects then just 5 would work
ricochet feels weird at first glance, idk if its in theme for a scope, but functionally its interesting. its still just doubling only crit damage, but its now aoe and it could trigger on crit effects for both targets
so the bonus is 2x crit + 2x crit effects
livid wedge
I like red items giving unique effects rather than just stat buffs. That's the domain of white items
Oooooh, huntress 12 shot flurry lol
full apex
honestly it would be pretty funny, and shes weak enough by default it wouldnt even be that op
honestly multiplying crit effects would largely be scythe healing and spleen bleed, because pred already maxes pretty easily with good crit.
and if it was a bounce it may not be able to hit the same bounce target consistently, which would make spleen not reset as well outside the main target so even that probably wouldnt be too crazy?
livid wedge
On that subject, I feel like huntresses primaries need to be tweaked. One is just strictly better with enough crit
full apex
i do think if it is going to bounce it should try to behave like uke, but if it cant it would behave like lute
making it useless on a single target would feel kinda rough
livid wedge
Alternates should be sidegrades
full apex
On that subject, I feel like huntresses primaries need to be tweaked. One is jus...
yea i usually take flurry, its weaker early game when she needs it most but i dont feel like ist that big of a deal
they are both fairly weak out of the gate
i think a lot of her damage probably comes from glaive
livid wedge
Ballista is good for single target early and glaive multi
full apex
hmm maybe not actually
livid wedge
It just feels like ass when you don't get much or any crit when you have flurry
full apex
its more than m1 but not by a ton
livid wedge
I don't like the idea of my choice of skill being screwed over by pure rng
full apex
also
bruh moment when multiple characters m1 alone deal more dps than her entire kit theory, which will be better than actually in game because of things like not being able to shoot m1 while using other skill anims haha
livid wedge
And I've definitely had runs where I didn't get crit until like stage 4 or 5
Attacking while sprinting is undervalued
full apex
its kinda annoying since no omnisprint tho
livid wedge
True
Her ability to reposition accurately and precisely is probably the best, though
With phase blink
full apex
i really like triple blink
livid wedge
Other characters can definitely cover more ground but she can do it on a dime
If you have default blink, you can pillar skip with just 
No skill required
I think I will nap and then risk some rain
full apex
yea i was a bit surprised by how fast she was when i did my races
i mean tbh i shouldnt be but shes quite quick
livid wedge
I like that rexs is listed as boop
full apex
hehehe
it is boop to me
jaunty ledge
It is essentially a boop
Just... a really violent one :P
livid wedge
Wait, how is engi faster than normal sprint?
full apex
i did notice that as well, i think it might have been rounding from my human error since its within 1s
i used slomo to start but rounded to the nearest second, most of the time it was like x.3 or x.8 so rounding up/down was easy
i didnt bother retiming him
livid wedge
Eh, it's within 5% of the default sprint speed so probably error
full apex
yea
i didnt bother doing a longer run, i didnt care thaaaat much, a general idea was all i wanted
valid kiln
sear or yes, chef