ror2-game-questions

[livid wedge]

Should've checked challenges

[sleek junco]

All good. I spent a longer than Id like to admit on google trying to figure out how to unlock it to no avail lol

[livid wedge]

It is important to note that it's boss monsters and not just bosses at tp

[worthy wind]

Why am i only getting this pool of items ( ) from corrupted keys?

[glacial knoll]

That's just how Command works, unless you mean without command in which case it's just luck

[worthy wind]

So that's because of command?

[daring cloak]

Yesnt

Void items arent just one category

[worthy wind]

So I'm that unlucky?

[glacial knoll]

Yes Command will only ever give Tier 1 Voids from Crusty chests

[daring cloak]

Theres void whites, greens and reds (and one yellow)

[glacial knoll]

This is because it's a potential it's not an item

[daring cloak]

Even with command you only roll one of these item pools to choose from

Except for the yellow because its accessed differently

[glacial knoll]

No a White Void Potential will always be only Tier 1 in Simu for example it doesn't matter what the actual potential would've had

[worthy wind]

Oh wait, i realised that there's rarity category of void items

[glacial knoll]

And the Crusted Chest is always a Tier1 Void because of this

[worthy wind]

I thought they all the same

[daring cloak]

Oh what the hell thats scuffed

[glacial knoll]

Command straight up means you get less green items in Simu yeah and makes Crusted Key kinda worse

[worthy wind]

I'm playing regular game

[ornate gust]

Yeah cuz they corrupt rarities of normal items

[lusty python]

if have take purity then a clover do they cancel the affects of eachother

[jaunty zinc]

im pretty sure

purity and clover don't have any weird stacking functions so I'm pretty sure it'd legit just roll once negatively and once positively

oh nvm checking the stacking it'll just make you have 0 luck, so you'll be back to normal

[torn kraken]

I'm using artificer I'm gonna go for some atg ukelele proc stuff should I get alien head or clover or a diff red first? (no dlc)

[jaunty zinc]

clover

alien head isn't that good really and arti likes clover for her burst dmg

[torn kraken]

Ok thanks

[elfin zodiac]

have there been any updates in the past like 3 weeks?

been a bit busy with other games

[vapid swan]

Not really, guessing we are going to get one big one with all the balance changes and what not

[livid wedge]

Correct

You basically have a luck counter at 0 and each minuses or pluses

[jaunty ledge]

We got the bug patches but other than those no

[candid wigeon]

does the printer take the most recent item or the item with the least rarity?

[livid wedge]

Completely random

Of the same rarity

Prioritizing scrap first

[candid wigeon]

so it chooses least rarity but goes random with the items?

[livid wedge]

No, a printer will take an item of the same rarity randomly unless you have a scrap of the same rarity in which it will take that instead

If you are unsure, pinging the printer will tell you what it takes to print

[candid wigeon]

so, a white printer will take a white item of the same rarity
a green printer takes a green item of the same rarity, etc.
and it's random

[livid wedge]

Green is the rarity

As is white, red, and yellow

[jaunty zinc]

not all printers consume items of the same rarity, most notably the lunar soups on the moon & prime meridian, and in the bazaar

[livid wedge]

So a printer for will take either scrap or a random green item you have if you don't have scrap

[steady stone]

Priority is Regen > Scrap> Normal items

Think of 3 bowls where it takes a random one from the next bowl when empty

[candid wigeon]

alright, thanks guys
one more question, where do you get those regen scraps?

[livid wedge]

Honestly, I think regen white scrap would've been more useful than regen green scrap

[steady stone]

Just a green item

[mellow bronze]

it's a dlc item from sotv

[livid wedge]

Dlc item from survivors of the void

[eternal storm]

yea

[steady stone]

How will the command players survive

[livid wedge]

The weak perish. That is the nature of the world

[candid wigeon]

alright, thanks for the help

[torn kraken]

What should I get as a second red item

I picked shaped glass bc I wasn't sure what it did so should I get aegis?

[jaunty zinc]

depends kn the rest of your build

[ornate gust]

Brilliant behemoth

Tesla coil

[livid wedge]

Magic conch

[sacred oar]

hi, got a question. Can Halcyon Shrine appear only once? I mean when i used it, but left the realm can i see it again?

[hidden elk]

does bolstering latern count sheild as part of your total HP?

[livid wedge]

Yes

[hidden elk]

you can get it again

[hidden elk]

ty

[livid wedge]

Yeah, no limit to how many times it can appear afaik

[sacred oar]

u sure? Cause i'm on stage 22 and i saw no Halcyon or Gold shrine since stage 6

[worthy wind]

I don't get it, what am i doing wrong with Bushwacked Rex challenge? I'm more than under 50% health the whole teleporter event and it's not giving me achievement

[hidden elk]

idk can you fight false sun twice though?

[livid wedge]

It's not guaranteed but it can spawn multiple times

[hidden elk]

sometimes unlucky, if you have lunars to spare I'd try to dream for it @sacred oar

[sacred oar]

brh

I want to unlock this character

[hidden elk]

go to newt and try to dream for it, it's like a 50% to appear each time

[sacred oar]

but the boss is kinda op

[worthy wind]

Can somebody help?

[hidden elk]

yea false sun is op but at least the survivor is op too lol

[sacred oar]

what u mean dream for it?

[hidden elk]

to the right of newt you can spend 3 lunar coins to choose your next stage

it gives 2 options

actually might be more like a 33% chance but I get it pretty often

also you can use the gold portal to access the green path

[sacred oar]

O_O

took the newt and it's right away

the Shrine. Does newt forces shrines to spawn or what?

[worthy wind]

I think the game is bugged

[daring cloak]

Noway

[ornate gust]

Nah u cant

If u beat him once then u cant again in another loop

Cuz he dead

[lusty python]

so much hp lol

[glacial knoll]

When you kill false son all green portals stop spawning so even if you manage to get to golden dieback again, yeah you can't

[mellow bronze]

the spawn for halcyon shrines appear mostly on stage ones, same after you loop. they are kinda rare outside of that because their spawn are bugged

[sacred oar]

so the fact i got to this at stage 25 shoudn't be possible?

[stable flame]

if you use halcyon shrine on stage 5 can you go to mithrix without looping after the gilded coast

[daring cloak]

No

[rapid current]

Can you kill him and Go back to your run

[ornate gust]

Yep

It gives u the option

[sacred ingot]

yep. killing False Son doesn't count as ending the run the way killing Mithrix or obliterating does. after the battle just take the portal and you'll go right back to stage 5

[ornate gust]

So you can actually beat all 3 bosses in one single run

Which i think is pretty cools

[mellow bronze]

it should be possible

[silver oxide]

what is the best build on loader?

[hidden elk]

I wish you could fight lunar scavs too but it’s either them or voidling

[silver oxide]

to kill voidling/false son

[ornate gust]

They arent really a boss

Most people forget they exist

[hidden elk]

Well I was playing before Mithrix lol

They the OGs

[ornate gust]

They were followers of mithrix before mithrix even existed

And now they fall to the wayside

I wish they had an achievement at least

[hidden elk]

Fr

[silver oxide]

:(

[mellow bronze]

anything that the chests give you

[ornate gust]

A lotta bands and a lotta crowbars

[ornate gust]

And yes that

[hidden elk]

A few Crow bars, many focus cystal, 10 crit glass, red and green bands, and blast shower

[silver oxide]

oki

[mellow bronze]

i want to see you get that without command

[sacred ingot]

bands and lots of move speed are king imo. other stuff that can be good: backup magazine, focus crystals and armor piercing rounds (any raw damage increase tbh), polylute, crit

[ornate gust]

Do gesture tonic build and u auto win

[hidden elk]

Oh also get movement speed

[silver oxide]

ty

[ornate gust]

One loop and boom

[hidden elk]

Loader likes energy drinks and a backup mag to swing eaiser

[ornate gust]

Movement speed good cuz the faster she moves with her punch the more damage u do

[hidden elk]

If you can get headstompers and go up really high

[rapid current]

Does attack spped makes charge fastet with things like cheg

[hidden elk]

Works well with the other items loader likes

[silver oxide]

is this works on alternate punch skill?

[hidden elk]

The regular one is better

[ornate gust]

Yep

[ornate gust]

I believe so, not sure lemme check

Yep it does

It has the "heavy" buff on it

[hidden elk]

For healing on leader clay Templar boss item is nice

[silver oxide]

ty

[mellow bronze]

movement speed does not increase any damage from swings. that's gravity work from you swinging. it only does if you use it grounded and it's very small

[ornate gust]

Same as the normal one

[mellow bronze]

you'd need a lot of movement speed to achieve extra levels of damage while running as loader compared to swinging

[ornate gust]

Dont u move faster in the air if u have more movement speed?

[hidden elk]

Yes ik

[mellow bronze]

no. you get more friction if you have more movement speed so technically it's the other way around

[hidden elk]

Wait fr?

[ornate gust]

Huh

[mellow bronze]

yes

[silver oxide]

damn

[mellow bronze]

if you get a lot of movement speed as railgunner your mines will be garbage because of that

[sacred ingot]

im sorry what

[mellow bronze]

but that's easily counteracted by just using a quail

[hidden elk]

Oh yea I forgot about quail

[mellow bronze]

but it's so small it doesn't matter

[hidden elk]

So ig just quail and backup mag

[mellow bronze]

the conclusion is, movement speed does not offer a lot of extra damage while swinging

[hidden elk]

Good to know

[ornate gust]

Regardless pick it up anyway cuz movement speed is still invaluable for survivability

[rapid current]

Does bandit attack charges fastet with attack spped like artificer

[ornate gust]

Well he reloads faster

His attacks depend on how fast ur fingers can spam the button

But with atk speed his animations becomes faster which includes his reload and the revolver

It makes it a bit harder to use the revolvers so generally im not a fan of it on him

[sacred ingot]

i mean its just a question of getting used to it

[ornate gust]

Yeah its not "bad" on him

[sacred ingot]

first few shots might be hard but it's better to have more attack speed than less at the end of the day

[ornate gust]

I just prefer his default speed except maybe like 2 syringes to get the reloads up faster

[mellow bronze]

also the reason why you get more friction in the air with movement speed is because they made it so you control your own direction easier by adding friction for your turns and yourself in general

[rapid current]

Why does on my dead screen my friend hás 112 m1 charges with bandit

[ornate gust]

Spectator bug

[uncut wadi]

It does, though I personally don't get them

[ornate gust]

Only visual bug nothing gameplay changing

[uncut wadi]

Mathematically it helps with dps

Playstyle wise it doesn't do much for me

It should provide ok-ish value if you're double tapping

[sacred ingot]

i like them cuz i'm not a big fan of farming desperado stacks on him that much

becomes kind of an obligation after playing enough bandit runs

[uncut wadi]

I use blast and I just got used to single tapping from full clip to 0

[sacred ingot]

i really dislike blast

[uncut wadi]

Granted though in the current white item economy it's probably not smart to scrap damage since the pool is so shit

[uncut wadi]

Play however you want or sth

It does feel bad to miss a shot tbf

[mellow bronze]

it's my favorite way to play bandit because it just turns him into a commando with another playstyle

[livid wedge]

I like commando when I just wanna see procs go brrrrr

[mellow bronze]

blast bandit you get stronger total procs from any range so i can be a menace anywhere in the map. it's especially satisfying on commencement when there is a perfected lunar wisp very far away. my atgs and sticky bombs and stuff melt him down anywhere

[sacred ingot]

my favorite survivor precisely because of that

[livid wedge]

I mean, my favorite is still beloved

Good album

[sacred ingot]

technically less proc chance than one burst shot tho

and a ranged primary kinda counters his whole silent close range assassin playstile imo

[mellow bronze]

proc rate matters more for base damage procs

[sacred ingot]

of which there are more in the game than total dmg procs

not saying blast is entirely bad but in the long run i prefer burst. but it's really a matter of opinion

[mellow bronze]

really? tritip, needletick, ruin...?

stun grenade

[sacred ingot]

well most dmg items with a % in the game proc from base dmg, no?

[mellow bronze]

they are specified between total damage and base damage

the only items that care more about proc rate, being it not using total damage, is stun grenades, tritips, needleticks and shatterspleen

while blast benefits more other stuff like atg, shrimp, polylute, ukulele, sticky bombs, merf, cherf, runic lens

[mellow bronze]

and scorpion

[glacial knoll]

Needletick doesn't care about proc i'm pretty sure

[mellow bronze]

with proc rate it obviously does

[full apex]

Yea i think the duration is fixed at 3s. Honestly it would be funny if it wasn't

[glacial knoll]

I guess bleed is affected by ProcCoeff twice both chance and duration

and needletick just chance so nvm it does care

[full apex]

Mhm mhm

[mellow bronze]

idk how much each deals more damage than the other at close range because i'm not really interested in eating numbers. the full proc coefficient and more damage that each blast pellet does is pretty huge especially ranged

[glacial knoll]

But Needletick won't do less damage on lower procs at least

[rapid current]

What artificer m1 should i use?

[glacial knoll]

Fire

[full apex]

Whichever

[mellow bronze]

any

fire if you want more singletarget damage and the shock if you want more aoe damage and procs in more crowds

[full apex]

Fire is nice but also rn burns mess with bleeds and stuff so id probably take either both fire or both not, like m1 and special

I dont think its a big deal rn tho just see which m1 feels better.

[sacred ingot]

from my experience the bigger proc rate from burst compensates for that in the sheer number of procs. and burst is waaay better in raw dmg so still my preference

[mellow bronze]

yeah it's ok

railgunner alt m1 does that playstyle but better anyway

[glacial knoll]

Blast objectively is better with ATG but like who cares Burst kills stuff way easier the first 4 stages

[mellow bronze]

i just like blast bandit because he still gets the drip and railgunner doesn't

[full apex]

I really like no falloff on my bandit m1, but i also use desperado mostly

[glacial knoll]

"I want high damage Proc so i'll use blast when Desperado walks in"

[rapid current]

should i use this ?

[sacred ingot]

really depends on your playstile with fire being better for single target and shock for aoe. i prefer fire in the long run

[full apex]

If you cant sustain it, its unreasonably powerful its a LOT of stats. But, the afflictions can hurt

[glacial knoll]

Yes

[mellow bronze]

if you want to

[glacial knoll]

Try lunars at least once

[mellow bronze]

just try not to abuse it and get addicted

[full apex]

So either get full uptime, or if it's partial try to use it so you can leave the stage before it runs out

[rapid current]

what If i have this and fuel cell

[pulsar nova]

Fire does more damage. Plasma has better crowd control. Generally fire is better for arti. (At least with flamer)

[mellow bronze]

then you can sustain it

[pulsar nova]

You need several of both items for full uptime but yes it works

[full apex]

You need 4, any gestures after the first are the same as fuel cell. So 1 gesture, and 3 of either. Or, 7 fuel cells.

The 4 with gesture involved is easier because you dont need to time it yourself, if you accidentally forget and drop tonic you'll get nailed with afflictions but when you leave the stage the queue resets, so as long as you don't drop it during the stage you'll be ok

Try not to overkill too much with extra cooldown tho, it rolls and queues afflictions when you activate it not when it ends, which means you'll get hit harder if you ever lose it for some reason (like phase 4 mith)

[brazen briar]

Plasma shrimp is crack I can’t stop picking it up in my runssss 😭

Ack

[sacred ingot]

dont ever try shrimp + polylute then

its like mixing adhd meds with coffee and cocaine

[brazen briar]

Oh I have LOL

[sacred ingot]

not that i've ever done that tho

[brazen briar]

Doesn’t atg become better with more luck or smth? I forget

[mellow bronze]

yes

[brazen briar]

I mean I don’t see clovers in most of my runs anyways which is why I don’t mind them all converting to shrimp

[mellow bronze]

atg is better with proc chains. by how much idk

[sacred ingot]

yep. with clover i think shrimp is just not worth it

[mellow bronze]

icbm too because .. more proc chains

[sacred ingot]

you lose a lot of dmg from the dead missiles from shrimp

[rapid current]

If i get 4 gestores and 3 cells can u lose It

[full apex]

You only need 4 gestures

[brazen briar]

Is gesture unlock hard I’ve never gotten it lol

[full apex]

The first one is worth 4 fuel cells, so its 4+3 which meets the 7 total needed

[brazen briar]

Oooo

[sacred ingot]

took me a long ass time. u have to push a hermit crab off the map

[rapid current]

Can i lose It Someway?

[sacred ingot]

easiest way for me is looping till you get titanic plains on stage 1

[mellow bronze]

atg activating stuff like sticky bombs, polylute, cherf and even more bleed or needletick is pretty good

[brazen briar]

Also am I crazy or is benthic not as weird as people think, literally just full loot every stage after getting it and you get a god run lol

[full apex]

If you put down the equipment, or somehow lose the items, it can drop. But as long as you don't get rid of any gestures, you're fine

[brazen briar]

Ooo fair, by that point though they’d be getting killed by passive stuff I have. So I have to loop till they get on the certain map and also make sure not to pick up drones/aoe stuff? Oof

[full apex]

The only way that will happen without you specifically doing something, is mithrix stealing your gestures in his fight

[sacred ingot]

pretty much xd

[brazen briar]

Eeeee

[rapid current]

And If i hád 5 gestores and 3 fuel How bad would It be

[brazen briar]

Five. Hundred. Gestures

[full apex]

Youd be fine normally, but without a clover to lower the chance of getting afflictions, you might get hit with a lot of them at the end of his fight

Depends on how long the moon pillars take you or if you can skip them.

You aren't screwed, the afflictions dont hurt you while tonic is active. But you might have to hide for a little bit after he takes the gestures to get a normal cooldown use of tonic

They take your health, damage, movespeed, attackspeed, etc... So getting a substantial stat down to everything puts you at risk of you aren't behind cover

[brazen briar]

What 100x affliction does to a commando

[full apex]

To be fair also though, since 5 gesture is enough, you can scrap the fuel cells.

[rapid current]

Can i get afflicantion If i have 5 gestures

[full apex]

As long as you don't lose them, nope

All good

[sacred ingot]

how long u guys usually spend on a stage?

just curious here

[glass prism]

as long as it takes me to loot it with about 80-90% completion

anywhere from like 6-12 mins depending on if it has a green shrine for me to complete

[steady stone]

5 minutes per stage isn't a requirement but after playing long enough it just happens. I'd personally say 7 is really good too, but most important things is get more items than minutes elapsed.

If item amount is double time spent you're doing really good that run

[pure phoenix]

im a new ror 2 player and i just beat the game in base difficulty, whats the next thing i should aim for?

[ornate gust]

Unlocking characters, unlocking character skills etc etc

[pure phoenix]

alright thanks

[ornate gust]

And try monsoon

[pure phoenix]

i keep seeing things about oblitirating myself which is confusing

[steady stone]

Want a hint/answer about that?

Also, I'd recommend playing the game some more and getting passive unlocks before going to hard target achievements

[pure phoenix]

a hint would be nice

i went into this game completely blind

[pure phoenix]

alrighty will do

[steady stone]

You gotta loop to obliterate, it's an alternate ending

[pure phoenix]

i also need to try out other characters

[steady stone]

Just exploring the loops and curiosity should be able to find it

[pure phoenix]

gotcha

thanks yall

[steady stone]

Always here unless I'm not
And when I'm not someone else like charmlie is lol

[hidden elk]

Click the ring on TP on stage 5 so you don’t go to the moon

Or newt

[steady stone]

Yeah, the stage 5 tp has the center and the outline, the outline interact shifts the destination. It's kind of told to you but not obviously

[mellow bronze]

5 to 15 minutes

[steady stone]

It's lore-wise because that's the teleporter to the moon that Providence closed behind Mithrix.

Hence why it's special or whatever and doesn't go to somewhere on petrichor as base

[pure phoenix]

this games lore sounds intricate and neat i should check it out sometime

[ornate gust]

It is its very cool

[sacred ingot]

definitely. there are some video-essays on yt that explain the whole thing

[mellow bronze]

eh it's pretty simple actually

[candid wigeon]

is it worth going to void realm? if not for the character

[ornate gust]

Someone made a new lore video recently aswell

[steady stone]

Check out The Grovetender on yt

[ornate gust]

https://youtu.be/Wx5V-wC-kew

1 and half hours

[mellow bronze]

two gods died because they messed up with one of our shipping lines in summary

[ornate gust]

Hes very good

[sacred ingot]

its a nice change of gameplay and exploration to do ocasionally but other than that no real benefit to unlocking stuff/eclipse badges

[uncut wadi]

Void fields or do you mean voidling route

[sacred ingot]

except for maybe a weird achievement that i dont know about

[candid wigeon]

the place where you can get a character for activating all 9 cell vents

[sacred ingot]

void fields is kinda busted now that it freezes time tho

[uncut wadi]

Oh that? It's optimal to go there all the time

[steady stone]

Free items

[uncut wadi]

Free items stage pretty much, provided you can live

[mellow bronze]

you get a lot of free power there. it makes the game way easier but it's not necessary

[uncut wadi]

But you can also leave early if things go bad

Pretty much nothing to loose other than greeding and dying

[mellow bronze]

i don't like doing void fields bc it makes the game too free

[candid wigeon]

well, i tried to go there and i promptly got my shit rocked in
i assume i have to do a loop or two before going there? because i want to get the character in there

[sacred ingot]

yep. same here. rushing void fields after stage 1 gets you to stage 2 with easily two extra stages worth of loot. takes out the fun of the game imo

[uncut wadi]

No, realistically you'd want a wungus or two before going there, razorwire helps alleviate a lot and you can always leave if things get dicey

[mellow bronze]

it's easier you go there either at stage 1 or 2 or after you loop many times. in the middle of the run it'll most likely get you killed

[uncut wadi]

It's fine to dip in and get out

Feel free to abuse it especially with sots and its god awful item po-

[steady stone]

Just don't go in if you have like max focused conv. and time has passed. No safe spots if the ring is that small and the enemies are strong.

You can abuse medkit though by poking into the void for one tick at least

[mellow bronze]

void fields is also kinda character dependent

[full apex]

remember when focused was first introduced and with 3 the vield cells were so small acrid couldnt fit inside at all

[candid wigeon]

oh, and how do you exactly loop?
is it just going through the secret teleporter and beating the artifact thing?

[steady stone]

Engi and movement characters excel in vields

[steady stone]

Hit the ring around the stage 5 tp

It changes destination from moon to petrichor

[uncut wadi]

You can change the orientation at the stage 5 teleporter so the message in chat says "the primordial teleporter aligns with the planet"

[sacred ingot]

you can spin the teleporter on stage 5 before activating it. or, alternatively, just go through a newt portal

[uncut wadi]

If it's in that state it will throw you into loop

[steady stone]

All other things that go to next stage like newt or artifact also work

[uncut wadi]

Else blue portal, gold portal or artifacts work

[steady stone]

If you do command artifact you get free items though, it's "optimal"

[candid wigeon]

well, i guess i'll try to go for a void field attempt to get the character
what would be a good character for it?

[uncut wadi]

Sacrifice...

[uncut wadi]

Engi easily

[steady stone]

Engi with fungus is good, fast people too like loader or merc.

[sacred ingot]

i'd go with huntress or engi

[uncut wadi]

Get a bungus or two and go stage 1

[full apex]

sac is too cheesy... i think command artifact portal is the most interesting of the choices

[uncut wadi]

Easiest vields clear ever

[steady stone]

If you can't make it to the next cell fast enough it can be a run ender

Without fungus at least

[candid wigeon]

alright, thanks guys

[sacred ingot]

repulsion armor also helps

[steady stone]

Command is just good because certain items are insane like crowbar. I'd rather always get like 5 crowbars than a chance at 0.

On loader at least

On merc I'd probably go sacrifice, it doesn't really matter

[uncut wadi]

I'd not loop because loop stage gameplay gets a tad stale

[steady stone]

So does Mithrix though

I like to play for fun until I lose anyway since the 100%

[full apex]

i think getting a handful of tailors late into a run is a nice loop prize. like if you were just begging atg for the whole run, you could finally nab one

[uncut wadi]

It's the stage gameplay after loop that I don't like pretty much

[steady stone]

I don't know if I'll ever play again anyway, and if I do I'll probably downpatch, so there's still nothing to get

[uncut wadi]

Dlc successfully made me play less surprisingly

So just hoping for the improvements patch to come sometime

[steady stone]

I think it was the fact you, at least used to be able to, do the fun merc slams on all the vagrants and such.

I just thought it was neat to trimp and slam, so sad it's gone

But pre-loop your only slam targets were like the TP boss, maybe a XI or something on stage 5, and greater wisps

[livid wedge]

Rap doesn't help against the void fog anymore

[mellow bronze]

same

[steady stone]

I've been so busy so I haven't played, plus the DLC doesn't seem very appealing.

[mellow bronze]

before update 150 hours last 2 weeks
after 55 hours

[steady stone]

I'm still gonna chill here though, just less in discussion

[uncut wadi]

If you haven't bought it save yourself the trouble

Not worth the $15 equivalent

[steady stone]

Or $70 in Poland on drop

[sacred ingot]

i'm of the (apparently unpopular) opinion that the dlc's CONTENT is actually nice

[steady stone]

I think they don't fit in well personally

[sacred ingot]

only downside was the crappy launch but its borderline enjoyable by now

[uncut wadi]

I love helminth, otherwise the game is worse with the dlc

[steady stone]

SOTV was so well implemented you forget what was SOTV and what was vanilla

Especially the way everything looks you can tell what's SOTS

It just feels like a mid item mod tbh

[uncut wadi]

On the front of items it's a generally terrible item mod

[full apex]

i dont mind a lot of stuff but there are a lot of things that feel modded. both inside and out of the code haha

it was surreal playing it for the first time.

[sacred ingot]

i like all of the maps very much, and the survivors also. only really bad thing for me is the crappy item pool

[steady stone]

The maps seem cool but the survivors I've heard a lot of complaints about

[uncut wadi]

The thing ror 2 runs solely depend on and they fucked it up majorly

[sacred ingot]

as for not fitting in, i didn't know the game yet when sotv was released, so never had that impact

[uncut wadi]

It's crazy to me tbh

[steady stone]

The only thing about SOTV you hear is the characters being strong, but it's a single player game so who cares.

[full apex]

idk
stuff like this or how gilded shield NREs because no failsafe on inventory checks is mistakes that modders make early on and then never make again

[livid wedge]

Aside from a few of the items, I am also of the opinion that sots was good

[full apex]

this summed it up.

[steady stone]

I think even with the way the DLC has launched the team working on it gets harassed way too much. I thought it would be another group of people that never interacted with the community and all that but Preston seems like an actual human being.

[sacred ingot]

well i (unfortunately) like looking on the bright side and think these kinds of stuff will eventually be adressed. from what i know and read the gearbox devs are at least to some extent owning their mistakes, are they not?

[full apex]

i agree with this yea

i think they are working to right things as well

[uncut wadi]

Me not downpatching is the last thread of hope I got that the dlc content gets improved

[steady stone]

Although I'm curious where Joie went

No longer has the GBX role

[uncut wadi]

Thoroughly disappointed because I practically paid to made my existing experience worse

[steady stone]

I'd just hope he moved on to better things willingly

[livid wedge]

Same

I have tried to defend the devs as if they were people

[sacred ingot]

yeah imagine if everyone in the community were that insane!!!!!!!!!

[full apex]

i think its easy for people to kinda forget that. especially when i get to see their reactions and feelings in internal shit, it can feel bad watching others beat them up so bad in forums where they dont expect them to show up.

[livid wedge]

This was their first time without hopoos team and they were probably rushed a couple of months ahead of schedule

[steady stone]

Honestly I think the gearbox higher ups deserve some of the hate but people are really stupid about this. Somebody yelled at SAI for the new DLC yesterday lmao

[full apex]

LOL
classic

[livid wedge]

wat

[uncut wadi]

Discord people are toddlers what's new

[livid wedge]

Are you

What

I

[uncut wadi]

I understand and give the devs the benefit of the doubt

[full apex]

[uncut wadi]

Just praying to god the fix patch comes out if it is on its way

[steady stone]

I feel like there was definitely rushing from the millionaire lords at gearbox but everyone here is fine

[livid wedge]

Like, with all the nice little settings bonuses they did along with with the level design, it was clear at least someone cared

[uncut wadi]

Seems to me they just didn't have time or proper focus on gameplay

[livid wedge]

I for one appreciate the logbook being viewable mid run

[uncut wadi]

Which some of it was addressed after the fixes

Hopefully more is done as time goes on

[livid wedge]

And the inspect feature

[steady stone]

Honestly the entire community is kinda going to shit since the new DLC. Even the streamers.

Its more of their fault than the gearbox team at this point.

[uncut wadi]

The dlc to me just spits in the face of the people who really cared about it

[steady stone]

The toxicity I mean

[steady stone]

It's really excessive though is the problem

[uncut wadi]

We got below average content on top of that a gift of console jank

[livid wedge]

One of the biggest things that irked me was people blaming the updates bad parts on the idea that the pc version had been modified to match the console versions

Despite the fact that they had worked hard to do the opposite

[uncut wadi]

Removing the hate mob what is clear is that even people who are more respectable can't stomach it

[livid wedge]

So we console plebs could also have the nice things

[steady stone]

Now that it's gearbox this game is more of a console game with a PC port I'd say. They do a lot of console anyway.

But something else is that they can't just copy the PC code. Whole different systems and whole different teams for each platform.

[sacred ingot]

i honestly stopped watching the streamers i used to before sots... they spread so much negativity about this whole situation and try to mask it as well intentioned criticism

[livid wedge]

They may work with a console mindset but they specifically rebuilt the console versions to match the pc one and unify the codebase

[steady stone]

The only ror2 content creator I respect is grovetender

[livid wedge]

So we didn't have to wait another 2 years for the sots dlc like with sotv

[steady stone]

I'd rather us both wait another year

Everyone was begging for a date and they just dropped it the week before. It was definitely rushed since there was no time for hype.

[uncut wadi]

It is flat out just a frustrating situation

Just have to wait more atp

[livid wedge]

True enough for them working on it. I'm just saying it was nice to not be on the backburner just because console player

[full apex]

Adenosine triphosphate?

[uncut wadi]

Are you a chem major

[livid wedge]

That's more of a bio major

[full apex]

no im a software dev

[uncut wadi]

Idk I'm a business major

[livid wedge]

I'm a chemical engineer

Well, will be in a few months

[full apex]

oooh

[jaunty ledge]

Same
I get why people hate it but I really like it

[uncut wadi]

It's better to enjoy things than to not let's be real

I wish I can lobotomize myself to enjoy sots

[steady stone]

the general consenus is that if you're a long time player you won't like it but if not you probably will

[full apex]

its given me a lot to do honestly!

i will say its just satisfying having so much to test and dissect and fix.

a lot of mechanics arent ez or dont do what they say on the box. so figuring out what the hell is actually going on is fun

[steady stone]

fix everything but your secret smuggling that is...

[full apex]

hehehehehe

yes lol

[steady stone]

couldn't you just use commands anyway though?

even with the adaptive armor?

[full apex]

yea but you cant smuggle things into games your friends host then lol

[livid wedge]

I am the longest term player and I enjoyed sots

[steady stone]

wrong i wiped your memory

[livid wedge]

Fuck

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-cat-crazy-cat-stressed-stressed-cat-gif-21784526

But seriously, I got og ror a month after release and been a fan of the series ever since

[sacred ingot]

well i have 1000+ hours and still like it... i think its more about people's mindsets of not being so protective of the game

[mellow bronze]

i just installed like 10 mods to modify and add some new stuff

[steady stone]

i will admit i dont really like change in ror2

i feel like an old man with all the new items lol

so much has changed im not sure about any of my answers i give here half the time

but after 2 years of silence you cant drop the dlc out of basically nowhere with a week of heads up

especially after the VERY rocky devotion

[sacred ingot]

yeah they set themselves for failure thats for sure

[mellow bronze]

i killed the wurms forever, i installed a mod that reworks children, lots of items reworks, chef rework, a mod that adds razor penny because crit is dying, made looped variants appear pre loop, made the laser from false son die...

[sacred ingot]

the community would still melt itself if it was anything short of perfect

[mellow bronze]

made the new extra life shrine die too

[steady stone]

are the wurms bad? i've heard of void wurms in walls but nothing bad

[mellow bronze]

wurms are horrid

[full apex]

this is something with the new DLC that will probably just continue forever?

a lot of things existed as soft rules. i complained when mods broke the rules, because i like having the consistent mechanics in a pattern. like level up stats, are always 30% for hp, 20% damage and regen. if you know the hp of anything you know its level up hp and can calc it easily.

but now things are being added that break the scaling, like false son scaling regen with level much faster despite being 1 base or like having both new proc chain items which have been total damage since it was introduced, dealing all or partially base damage

[mellow bronze]

they stay in the ground invincible for so much time and then they go out for 5 seconds to negate a bigger area than shrooms and go back to the ground

[full apex]

it just feels strange that so many new things are exceptions to things that were made consistent through early access and into sotv

[steady stone]

not even just that, we were both wrong about arti min cooldown the other day too

with all the new code it's so different

so many minor things like RAPS in void fog

[full apex]

right. attack speed doesnt touch cooldowns, until it did

i dont think its inherently bad like at the end of the day FS being 1+0.5 instead of 1+0.2 or 2.5+0.5 is a buff, and most people wont notice.

[mellow bronze]

and also children ai does not exist. they just walk around. if you ignore them they stay there forever

in general the ai of the new enemies are terrible

[steady stone]

i remember someone sent a clip of them getting obliterated by a child in one hit so hard their screen turned red so there's SOMETHING with children

[mellow bronze]

they either hold W and do not pathfind (even false son) or it's children which does whatever

[mellow bronze]

yeah they deal i think 80 damage at level 1

[steady stone]

let me find it because new upload limit

[uncut wadi]

I got hit for 3000 hp by a gilded child when they're at level 45

translating that over to not gilded that'd mean like 1000

[steady stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828386734366130257/1282027346442063969/Risk_of_Rain_2_2024.08.29_-_17.15.58.25.DVR.mp4?ex=67002382&is=66fed202&hm=9bc33803333735db92b21fe2c7ba135e36b5f027e6c39f278cc130a157d2b926&

i found this here, i think in bug reports one day

if you pause on the frame it hits it looks like that small orb did so much dmg it shattered reality

[uncut wadi]

did they share a clip or did they report this clip as a bug

[steady stone]

i dont remember tbh. might've been someone asking how they died in questions if it wasnt a report

it was a while ago but i sent it in a DM to my friend about the new DLC so i had it

[uncut wadi]

I got dinked by one and had to go recheck with osp on

I got insta downed to osp level with 2 opals on at 1k hp

[full apex]

lunar ruin really actin up there lmao

[steady stone]

lunar ruin?

[full apex]

this

i think they both have the same effect, boss and player versions. i dont rember tho

[steady stone]

80% damage does like 900 damage? wow

[full apex]

80% increase is almost taking double damage tho

[steady stone]

yeah but it's a child

that was like 700+ damage lvl 18

[full apex]

yea it would have been like 430-440 damage probably

actually

thats not that far off

[mellow bronze]

also wurms are possibly a softlock if you get an overloading horde of many because if you don't have enough damage they can just hide in the ground and get their hp back

[full apex]

thats like 702 before armor, which is < the 800ish dealt but its not insanely off..

[brazen briar]

Thank god I don’t have seekers LOL

Don’t wanna have to be in constant fear every run over a single tiny enemy 😭

[steady stone]

also voidtouched ones spawn in walls and never come out right? this has been softlocking void seeds?

[gilded dirge]

feels like im playing nailgun powermode Mul-T wrong, how can I get him going faster

[mellow bronze]

i never heard about this one

[full apex]

are you abusing the nailbursts for some bonus mobility?

in midair stopping shooting both will push you back a fair bit

[steady stone]

that and its good for finishing off a lot of stuff

but also play preemptive like an actual tank, using cover and being able to get out easy

also using shift gives you 100 armor or 50% dmg res

so combine both to uh not die since your mobility is eh

[quasi crystal]

Shift gives 200

[steady stone]

oh yeah

newt is the 100 (and opal ig)

[quasi crystal]

Power mode is 100

[full apex]

there used to only be one hidden buff effect that gave armor and it was 200, car and PM used it. but it was too good for PM so they added a 100 one for it

[steady stone]

all i know is that a shift a day keeps the fall damage at bay

[full apex]

if you dont already know, the nail bursts have equivalent dps as they fire 1s worth of nails and then rest for 1s. so if you can kill something with 1s left of shooting, then a burst will finish it off quicker

if not, you can burst if you want but it wont really change dps or anything

i suspect it should get worse with high AS because it introduces potential for frame rounding jank, but you would need a LOT of attack speed for it to matter so its worth ignoring probably

[gilded dirge]

Question, does the Antler Shield stack the chance to reflect? Or only the damage

[full apex]

you dont get any damage reduction

its a thorns effect rather than a reflect

[steady stone]

55% (+5% per stack) chance on being hit to reflect 10% (+10% per stack) damage back to the attacker.

[gilded dirge]

ah, I see why people dump this one

[full apex]

oh stack mb

but also yea its just really not that impressive, esp when razorwire exists.

[steady stone]

also this in game is wrong, base is 50

[gilded dirge]

I did mean the Power Mode nails damage also

but it really is rng, some runs just dont give you speed items

so youre left with a constipated Mul-T

[steady stone]

healing is better tbh

[gilded dirge]

I was not aware of the bursts just shoving you too, which is nice

[steady stone]

stacking or can literally make you immortal

[full apex]

lol

[gilded dirge]

oh yeah I can imagine the leech seed is finally being put to work

[full apex]

probably prefer scythe, leeching seed just isnt really as good unfortunately

[gilded dirge]

scythe is easier to max out too yeah

[full apex]

its still only 0.6hp per nail, granted you get a lot of nails but scythe has better potential

with one set of glasses scythe is better, let alone more

here i made this ages ago

since scythe doesnt stack linearly, seed can have a bit of a bonus scaling effect at lower crit rates, but it gets bad quickly already requiring 6 stacks to be better than 6 scythe at 20% and then never being stronger over 6 stacks or 20% crit.

[steady stone]

1% crit with scythe is crazy

[full apex]

i listed it as a technicality more than anything lmao

[steady stone]

but yeah scythe has the most potential but often you won't get crit

[full apex]

since it gives 5% it cant happen

[steady stone]

purity mul-t obviously

it's so meta on double nailgun

[full apex]

classic

[steady stone]

i'd say full crit with 2-3 scythe is enough to afk a teleporter with m1

even against vagrant

[gilded dirge]

yep

sounds about right

[full apex]

would be like 12-16 base, so 7.2-9.6, with 24 nails per second thats 173-230 hp/s or something lol

depending on 2 vs 3 stacks

lotta healing

[rapid current]

what is the best bandit m1

[daring cloak]

Visions of heresy

Both have their upsides and downsides

Blast works better up close and can be spammed without much issue

or was that burst

The default one anyways

[rapid current]

burst is 5x100

what is the best way ti get 20 hemorragi on a enemy

[daring cloak]

The alt one works more reliably at some range but cant really be spammed due to accuracy falloff

So usually burst is preferred because it tends to work better with bandits other moves

[rapid current]

what is the the best way to get the second m2

[full apex]

alloy worship unit

its the tankiest non final boss thing you can find and isnt exactly mobile

its probably still easiest to use command or soemthing to get crit or purity or both but otherwise its probably still the best shot

if you cant apply stacks fast enough they might just die

[daring cloak]

It also has its spammable semi invincibility phase due to the 50% shield

[pulsar creek]

ya do awu and stack purity and backup mags

[full apex]

right, periodically doubling his hp is what makes it better than aurelionite as a target

[full apex]

id take crit over backup mags tbh, unless you can get both. crit means you dont have to awkwardly wiggle around and can just focus on not getting hit, and once you run out of backup stocks youll just be relying on purity anyways

[pulsar creek]

I mean if ur doing command to just get the achievement, you should be able to easily get both by the time u get to stage 4 awu

[full apex]

right but with purity, id prioritize crit because rng from purity without 100% sucks lol

[rapid current]

can u get desesperado killing any mitrix phase?

[full apex]

just the last one iirc

[rapid current]

do u know how many alien head to 0.5 cd of the bandtit special it has 4 sec cd

[full apex]

not off the top of my head but probably quite a few, alien head doesnt stack suuper greatly

like 7 or 8 stacks, but you could stop earlier if you wanted

[rapid current]

infusion if i get 6 will i get 6 more max hp per kill?

[full apex]

yea

up to 600

(at least without some shenanigans)

[quasi crystal]

Infusion on fmp is funny

[tender temple]

Worst case scenario you can try to hope for the healing twisted scav since its immortal and can barely move or turn around

[quasi crystal]

does rebirth grant the mastery achievemnt

[brazen briar]

Egocentrism converts your items over time into these orbs right? Is it worth on rail or nah

Also two more things, does luminous shot do anything on rail? And is longstanding any good or is it just straight trash lol

[trim narwhal]

solitude good if u have gold generating items especially if u arent looping

dont stack it though

[left trellis]

1. Ego is decent on melee survivors, but probably not worth it on RG
2. Firing your railgun counts as using your secondary, and your tracking bullets are your primary. So it's a good way to get a burst of damage in close range after firing at long range for a while
3. Solitude is... fine. People make it out to be worse than it is. Grab a couple of Brittle Crowns with it and it's cool

[trim narwhal]

stacking solitude reduces ur level up rate

[left trellis]

eh? it does? what?

[trim narwhal]

yes

[left trellis]

in what way? the description makes no mention of that

[trim narwhal]

the desc doesnt mention it, cuz its a ror desc so

but heres the proof #theorycrafting message

[left trellis]

oh what the fuck. why

I just saw the note on the wiki too. that's fucked up

Every 25 (+25 per stack, scales with time) gold that would be gained is instead converted into 10% (-150% per stack) of the experience required to reach the next level.

[dapper reef]

Can I play local co op RoR2 with separate screens for the 2 players or only way is split screen?

[left trellis]

on PC? you can probably find a way to do it with a local server or something but it'll have to be really hacky

[dapper reef]

yes on PC, theres no even a mod for that?

[left trellis]

sort... of

[dapper reef]

explain 🤔

[left trellis]

https://thunderstore.io/package/Nuxlar/MultiplayerModTesting/

this is designed for mod testing, but it may be what you're looking for. the hurdle you'll need to figure out is how to get both instances of the game to accept input at the same time, which I have no pointers on for you

a controller might do it but you'll really have to experiment to find out what works, if anything

[steady stone]

realistically it would be easier to just get another console lol

[left trellis]

aye

[dapper reef]

I mean I want to play side by side with someone else

thats the main point of this my gf has the game as well

but we have separate setups

[dapper reef]

also this just spams my console in red and stays at 80% loading ingame

ah cant attach ss

[left trellis]

oh. hm. that's strange

[dapper reef]

[Error : Unity Log] OperationException : ChainOperation failed because dependent operation failed ResourceManagerException : ProvideResources failed OperationException : GroupOperation failed because one of its dependencies failed System.Exception: Dependency Exception ---> UnityEngine.ResourceManagement.Exceptions.OperationException: GroupOperation failed because one of its dependencies failed ---> UnityEngine.ResourceManagement.Exceptions.RemoteProviderException: Invalid path in AssetBundleProvider: 'D:/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Risk of Rain 2/Risk of Rain 2_Data/StreamingAssets/aa\StandaloneWindows64\ror2-base-dampcavesimple_bin_assets_all.bundle'. --- End of inner exception stack trace --- --- End of inner exception stack trace ---

[jaunty ledge]

Yes

[steady stone]

"GroupOperation failed because one of its dependencies failed ---> UnityEngine.ResourceManagement.Exceptions.RemoteProviderException: Invalid path in AssetBundleProvider:"
i would think you're missing something

[dapper reef]

I installed with thunderstore so id assume everything should be there I didnt manually installed it 🤔

[steady stone]

it's a developer mod so there might be something. I'd read up on the mod

it's not exactly meant for playing

[dapper reef]

also modpage just says download and run so I assume it was fine like that, I will try something less complicated

ah wait

also whats the dedicated server option for?

[steady stone]

having a server open 24/7

like a dedicated minecraft server is something you buy that is hosted on an actual server that anybody can join anytime

[dapper reef]

yes but I dont understand that, isnt like RoR is minecraft or a survival

[steady stone]

albeit it could be hosted on anything, it's normally physical servers

[steady stone]

multiplayer lobbies though

[dapper reef]

or its just to have an instance with settings and mods?

[steady stone]

you can have it open 24/7 and people can join and do runs

[brazen briar]

What’s the point of prayer, like why do I wanna store stats and get them back later

[steady stone]

stacks of it mean more buffs i think

hence why prayer beads printers are seen as godsends

[humble folio]

was seekers of the storm the last dlc?

[steady stone]

there's a lot to them really
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Prayer_Beads

[steady stone]

as far as i know it hasn't really been talked about, but i'm not sure. Possibly a bunch of minor stuff like the devotion update if I had to guess, if anything at all.

if you mean last as in latest though, yeah it is

[brazen briar]

Okay but like what’s a godsend about an item that takes my stats I otherwise would’ve gotten and then I need to remove the item to get said stats back? Am I dumb

[steady stone]

it's like kinda
but a bit worse because irradiant is amazing

the main thing is you find a printer and get a huge stat boost

it levels you up without actually leveling you up basically, just giving you the stats

but you're also leveling up normally

full print beads > level up beads for a bit > full print beads again, technically removes the item so you get the stats but you get a fresh stack back so you can repeat again as long as you want

[mellow bronze]

the fact that i never thought about this tells a lot about my own inteligence

[pine eagle]

Hey guys I was finally getting around to trying to unlock artifacts but when I go to the old teleporter in stage 5, the place where I'm supposed to input symbols isnt interactable. Does anyone know why? Is it because I play with mods?

[mellow bronze]

are you playing on eclipse

[pine eagle]

yeah

[mellow bronze]

you can't go there on eclipse

[pine eagle]

ah gotcha ill do a non eclipse run next time to unlock them thank you :)

[mellow bronze]

yw

[uncut wadi]

It's a funny loophole

I did it once and it was fun

[trim narwhal]

it doesnt take ur stats its add on

[full apex]

this is def a fnuy way to use it, but you dont have to commit so hard necessarily depending. ideally you get to the stacks you want and print 1 off. like if you full send into it, youd have a bunch, fill em up, then print off only 1, get the reward with the remaining stacks, pick it back up, and then refill them.

though be aware it slows down based on how many stats its given so this strategy isnt an ez full reset forever, but if you have a bunch of stacks youll probably fill them quite quickly anyways. and yea, if you can make this happen, you can get some really stupid stat bonuses

if you can get a bunch you could use a scrapper but the main idea is to cash out while removing as few of them as possible, which is easiest done by fully committing to a green printer with them and then cycling the top 1 stack

[brazen briar]

Ohhh

[queen folio]

is false son too damn tall to get the chest on the red stave 4

[full apex]

seems fine?

[queen folio]

I couldn't seem to get him in there

[full apex]

hmmm, do you have anything you think might be complicated things?

i dont think item displays should matter...

[queen folio]

maybe

[ancient knot]

Can the Halcyon Pilllar only spawn on first stages?

[vague acorn]

You'd have to loop to get it again if u dont do it on the first stage

[livid wedge]

Nah, it can appear on others, just more

[quasi crystal]

whenever i finish a coop game and go play solo the game still prices stuff and scales like it's MP is this a bug

[ornate gust]

Thats actually happened to me a few times aswell

Restart a run and it fixes itself

[glacial knoll]

Theory ; Some sots fixer packs include a mod that makes false son larger iirc so people kinda just being stupid and not reading what they install

[manic galleon]

Why is empathy cores + col droneman so strong? Just had the combo in a run and can def vouch for the power, but why do empathy cores get such a power boost even compared to normal drones?

[livid wedge]

Because empathy cores AS scales with # of allies. This along with getting the chaingun from sdp (it's invisible on them but they get it) is a strong combo

[glacial knoll]

Damage not attack speed and that damage would transfer to the chain gun

[quasi crystal]

Truly is funny seeing a greater wisp spawn at 4 minutes

[gilded dirge]

Kinda want the over/under on when to use Uke vs Poly

Poly just seems like a stronger item in general

[livid wedge]

Getting a bad red on stage 1 feels so much worse than a bad item of any other rarity

At least with others there's a chance for a printer or using the bazaar soup but with a bad red you're not seeing anything you can do with it until *at least* stage 5

[tepid sedge]

Stage 5? Nah, we spend 40 minutes getting to stage 4

Game speed tied to frame rate
12 fps
I'm here all day for one game

[livid wedge]

No, I mean the red printers can't spawn until stage 5

[quasi crystal]

poly is usually just better unless you desperately need aoe

[wide badger]

I feel like the enemy elite spawn rates need nerfing or im wrong?

[quasi crystal]

poly has damage scaling ukelele does not

[quasi crystal]

they are fixing it allegeldy

[wide badger]

Im have sort of had it where every elite can have a lighting aspect

[uncut wadi]

I hope they fix the thing with infestors as well where they fall straight onto the ground

[wide badger]

It is okay to do a command artifact run?

[quasi crystal]

ive had void infestors just afk inside walls

[wide badger]

Stage 1 not even two minutes in and 5 lighting elite

Should there even be elite on stage 1?

[gilded dirge]

Very true, just thinking about which ones nicer on Nails Powermod Mult

Atm

I can just go poly and run wisps + tank + ignition

[glass prism]

If you want to

Just don't take it as a significant measure of skill

[serene vector]

free money :d but yeah they spawn occasionally

[mellow bronze]

yes

[wide badger]

Okay because im starting to see a flew, because sometimes im getting 10 maybe 15 healing enemies which can heal the boss

[mellow bronze]

l,maybe it's the new elite spamming bug

they cost half credits for the director to spawn them

compared to before update

[jaunty ledge]

Of course it is
Play how you want

[wide badger]

Maybe

[hoary sedge]

yeah that's probably bc of the elite cost bug, from my experience it seems weighted towards mending as well but that might just be weird luck

[quasi crystal]

i see a lot of burnings

[gilded dirge]

I appreciate Mul-Ts modularity, but after trying out powermode nails for 8 hours I just came to realise im not enjoying em as much as double rebar retool at all

is there a way to get the powermode build going faster? cuz I mightve just focused on the wrong pick ups in the early game

[sacred ingot]

i get this here also. playing in e8 and getting AT LEAST 5-10 mendings every stage

except in early game of course

[sacred ingot]

tbh im not that saddened by this bug..........

anyone here ever tested if hunters harpoon actually helps w loader when punching multiple enemies? (charged gauntlet)

i have an impression that it does but never dove into the numbers of it

[elfin zodiac]

shame
I guess I haven't missed out on much, at least

[peak jacinth]

I haven’t tested it, but i’d assume it wouldn’t. My guess would be the heavy damage bonus would be applied when you use the skill rather than in the middle of it, but I can test it sometime this afternoon and let you know

[sacred ingot]

my theory is: by killing enemies mid-punch, you get the speed boost from harpoon which increases punch dmg

[peak jacinth]

yea I understand the theory, but I feel like the damage would be calculated before then carried through rather than changing part way through the skill

[uncut wadi]

I think heavy takes account upon the momentum during the initiation of the attack

[peak jacinth]

yea that’s what I think too

[uncut wadi]

Because afterwards you're locked into the momentum that gauntlets lock you into

[kind slate]

So, I am struck curious as I have been reliably able to get back to the code machine with the new DLC: Does the Artifact of Swarm genuinely boost the item spawn rate from the Artifact of Sacrifice? Or does it work out to roughly the same number of items?

[willow shoal]

70hrs of ror2

[rough ledge]

I have over 600 but not 100% 😭

Fuck artifacts

I never use them anyway

[sacred ingot]

my brother in christ i have 1000+ hours of this game and am at 81%

[willow shoal]

i just qlmost died to the lqst one, vengeance

[sacred ingot]

i think im washed up

[willow shoal]

x)))))))

i love 100% games

this one is nice to do

[sacred ingot]

yea i dont really aim for completion but even tho............

[willow shoal]

you have every skills?

[sacred ingot]

nop, don't really ever touch merc and rex so never bothered with theirs

[willow shoal]

i just did the monsoon and false son merc

was pain

i pretty like the merc but its hard to use

[peak jacinth]

Swarms itself decreases the item drop rate, but because sacrifice has a minimum drop chance a lot of the smaller enemies won’t have their chances to drop an item reduced so overall you’ll get more items

[silver shadow]

guys

i'm trying to find the artifacts codes

but i don't wanna look where they are

i just want to know in which maps they are

so i don't look in places they can't be

[peak jacinth]

pretty sure every stage pre-sotv has one

[silver shadow]

sotv?

[peak jacinth]

survivors of the void, first dlc

[silver shadow]

but the way the only one i fould was the one in the gilded coast

[peak jacinth]

every map released before that

[silver shadow]

ok

[peak jacinth]

yea some are in hidden realms too

also one of them is only in the release trailer for the devotion update

[peak jacinth]

oh never mind that appears to be changed

[sacred ingot]

the ones i remember right now: aqueducts, abyssal dephts, distant roost, sky meadow

theres more obviously but i dont really go after them so dont know

[silver shadow]

lol

[peak jacinth]

all of the base game maps other than sundered grove have one

and then there are a bunch in hidden realms and some in other places

[ornate gust]

Theres one in the bazaar aswell

[ruby forge]

can luminous shot proc bands?

[glacial knoll]

It can't proc Bands. It's programmed in the same weird way that Runalds Band is

How does Eclipse work in multiplayer

Like if one player has idk plays as Bandit with Eclipse 7 but the lobby is Eclipse 2 does the Eclipse 7 guy still count as a win

[ornate gust]

I think it sets it to the lowest eclipse that each players current character is

So if both pick bandit and ones is E5 and the others is E2 then yall can only play on E2 if both pick bandit

[glacial knoll]

I'd expect only the host to pick difficulty yeah, but what if you win do both rank up?

[lavish yarrow]

Hello :))

I got a question about what healing to choose between Cautious Slug, Medkit or Bustling Fungus

[ornate gust]

I would assume so

Havent tried it myself

[ornate gust]

Slug and medkit helps pretty much everyone while bungus is only viable on engineer and in specific scenarios

The slug's regen boost helps quite a bit to recover if youve been overrun and wanna retreat for a bit

While medkit can get u out of a tight spot as long u are able to take cover for a short while and get back into the fight

The bungus has decent healing the issue is that u have to stand still to get the healing, and that is something u DO NOT want to do in this game

So from those 3 mostly pick either slug and medkit, preferrable to have both (which u usually will cuz they are commons)

[ornate gust]

The reason why engineer benefits from this is that his stationery turrets are yk, stationary, and since they inherit all of engi's items, the turrets are basically a mini healing zone with bungus

The only time id pick a bungus on anyone else is if im doing void fields

Since the bungus outheals the void damage in there

[lavish yarrow]

Yeah, thought so, thank you :))

[ornate gust]

Another note is the definition of slug's "regen faster out of combat" basically means to not get hit for 7 seconds, so u can still fight and as long as u dont take damage it'll still regen u

[ornate gust]

No probs

[mellow bronze]

not bustling fungus

[lavish yarrow]

:O

[mellow bronze]

unless wungus

[ornate gust]

The void counterpart weeping fungus is INSANE and u should ALWAYS pick it up unless u are engineer lolol

[mellow bronze]

my favorite is medkit because it heals before collapse hits and it's just way more powerful in general if you can avoid hits often and get hit in small amounts

[ornate gust]

Yep

Medkit goated

The heals happens after 2 seconds of not being hit

[mellow bronze]

if you have enough medkit it just turns into better transcendence without extra health

[ornate gust]

So if u get hit in small amounts its a profit for u as the heal will heal more than the damage u take (assuming the damage u took is minimal)

[ornate gust]

Yeh the "outside of danger" descriptions can be kinda confusing

This same definition is not the same for the red whip either

[glacial knoll]

yeah the pickup line is straight up a lie, the log book description correctly says out of danger

[ornate gust]

Cuz for that if u use any abilities then the red whip effect gets disabled

Which is very weird

[glacial knoll]

Red Whip says out of combat correctly

[ornate gust]

Nvm only certain ones

[ornate gust]

I see

[peak jacinth]

I thought the slug pickup was “rapidly heal out of danger”

[glacial knoll]

Slugs is a lie, Whip/Mired Urn use "combat" correctly and Chronic Expansion is it's own definiton of combat

Wait it's wrong in the log not the pickup line I switched it on accident

[lavish yarrow]

Should i focus more on Repulsion Armor Plate or Tougher Times?

[glacial knoll]

Tougher Times is a lot better

[ornate gust]

Yep

[lavish yarrow]

👍

[mellow bronze]

you should focus on not getting hit

[lavish yarrow]

that is true, but I still do get hit

[ornate gust]

If the choice is between those 2 specifically then tougher times

But armour plates arent "scrappable" bad

[mellow bronze]

me personally i prefer repulsion because i scrap my tougher times to not waste extra stacks on safer spaces

[lavish yarrow]

Well I got the choose item Artifact and I am playing with it

[ornate gust]

Ahhh

[lavish yarrow]

I am looking for some armor now

[ornate gust]

Yeah then tougher times

[glacial knoll]

Neither gives armor stat but Tougher Times is just a lot more effective in most cases

[mellow bronze]

armor is another way of getting defense different from these 2 items

[ornate gust]

The armour plate only reduces damage taken, doesnt increase ur inherent armour, thats done with rose bucklers and jade elephant iirc

[lavish yarrow]

oh cant send picture, nvm, but rn I got

6 bleed blades, 2 jumps (love it), 10 crit glasses, 2 cans for speed (may be useless now), 1 skill reduction cooldowns, 2 blood max hp increase, 1 slug, 1 ukulele, 1 fuel cell, 1 hp on hit (missclick), 1 will of fire thingy, 1 obsidian blade legendary that flies, 2 death marks

[ornate gust]

Get roles then u can send images

Any one role is enough

[glacial knoll]

Rose Buckler makes you take "30%" less damage Repulsion Armor makes you take 5 less damage

[ornate gust]

Oh interesting

[ornate gust]

Not bad, and cans always good

Movement speed is always good

And one death mark is enough stacking it only increases duration

[lavish yarrow]

I am good with the mov speed I have rn I feel

[lavish yarrow]

I wanted 14 seconds 🤷‍♀️

[ornate gust]

Fair too much can disorient you

[lavish yarrow]

thought that it was not bad to get to 14

[ornate gust]

Lol fair enough i spose

[ornate gust]

After 10 crit glasses no needa pick up anymore as thats 100% now

[lavish yarrow]

yeah I know. Should i get 100% bleed? or is 60% good enough?

[ornate gust]

The same happens with 10 tri tips aswell

[glacial knoll]

Realistically with command you should get 0 tritrips and get a Shatterspleen instead

[ornate gust]

Go for it i mean its more damage

Thats true get a shatterspleen

So your crits do bleed

[lavish yarrow]

👍

[ornate gust]

Its the imp overlords boss item

[sacred ingot]

and 💣

[ornate gust]

Yep and the explosion

Very strong, does damage based on the enemies health

[sacred ingot]

nothing brings me more joy than a shatterspleen crit + high fire rate build

[ornate gust]

% of health

[mellow bronze]

realistically with command it doesn't really matter what you pick as long as you don't get hit and don't get useless items

[sacred ingot]

i am very sad commando is still a very inconsistent survivor for eclipse bc i love the proc potential he has in general

[mellow bronze]

nothing is really balanced around eclipse so don't be. when you complete it you're free

[sacred ingot]

well i dont play eclipse only to get badges. its my preferred difficulty in general

[mellow bronze]

hmm

[sacred ingot]

but thats my cross to bear i guess

[mellow bronze]

i can't even imagine how cancer eclipse must be rn with elites being half cost with the new update

the only dlc character i completed e8 rn was seeker because she is effectively immortal

[sacred ingot]

yeah its pretty bad
the way elites are right now pretty much rules out half the hero roster if u wanna preserve your sanity

w commando you basically need perfect 1st and 2nd stages or else might as well just quit and restart

[lavish yarrow]

is the ceremonial dagger triggered even when my drones kill but not me?

[peak jacinth]

no

[lavish yarrow]

fuck

[mellow bronze]

drones steal your onkills and also voidsent

[mental sorrel]

Skill issue (just use his 111 setup and don't get any mobility or damage)

[lavish yarrow]

voidsent?

[mental sorrel]

Voidsent flame

Void version of willowisp

[lavish yarrow]

ah, i dont have the dlc

[mellow bronze]

but it still doesn't matter because the only way drones will steal all of your onkills is with spare drone parts

[mental sorrel]

They ain't killing shit otherwise

[mellow bronze]

you don't have the dlc so you don't have drone parts

[peak jacinth]

the only negative that drones give in base game is stealing crowbar, but it’s not that often

[sacred ingot]

might be xd but if you outright need mobility AND damage items for a survivor to be consistent, than it isn't

[mellow bronze]

it's also funny to me how even using command you're very scared of messing up your build lol it's like 100% safe don't be

[mental sorrel]

You kinda need both on like, almost every survivor 😭 you can argue against mobility items on huntress or acrid but, yeah

Commando just needs em a bit more, same with captain

[peak jacinth]

even on acrid mobility is like a must, such a massive hitbox

[mental sorrel]

He a big boy

[sacred ingot]

yeah but u cant really make that comparison in terms of native power. commando is pretty much the worst survivor when it comes to damage (behind maybe huntress). you need A LOT more items to level him with e8 than these other ones. hence the "perfect" first couple of stages i mentioned

[mental sorrel]

Eh, I've had some shitty stage ones n twos and my E8's do fine

I found him the easiest to do with E8 (I get cocky with every other survivor, so commando keeps me in check)

[peak jacinth]

every run is winnable, good items make it easier

[mental sorrel]

He definitely does have the weakest base damage though, that's why you rely on procs and on hit items

[mellow bronze]

that's the mindset i like

[sacred ingot]

yeah i know it was an overstatement because he frustrates me a lot 😩

[mellow bronze]

doesn't phase blast has like 2k damage counting all pellets that's quite a lot

[peak jacinth]

huntress def has the lowest damage overall, but she has much easier time dodging

[mental sorrel]

2k base damage? Nahhhh

[mellow bronze]

counting all pellets

[mental sorrel]

Again, arguments made with ballista

[peak jacinth]

yea even with ballista it’s still lower overall

[mellow bronze]

it's actually 1.600 damage

[mental sorrel]

(I don't crunch numbers so, your estimates are better than mine)

[sacred ingot]

huntress is leagues better than him u can just dodge way easier. if stuck on tele = run around, focus boss and leave everything else behind

[mental sorrel]

EItHeR wAyYYyYyY, just having good damage isn't gonna save ya, you have to have a balance of everything

[mellow bronze]

it's just 8 pellets that deal 200 damage each with 0.5 proc coef

[peak jacinth]

well yea I said that too, I was just saying huntress had lower damage

[mental sorrel]

Understandable

[sacred ingot]

whats yall setup on commando? just curious

and also english is not my native language so sorry for any gruesome mistakes

[mellow bronze]

221 for monsoon and chill 121 for eclipse and tryharding in general

[ornate gust]

All good neither is mine

[mellow bronze]

commando is too unconfortable without any AOE so phase round for tryharding is a must

[sacred ingot]

so we can all agree that grenades are crap then

[mellow bronze]

yes

it's just for chill if you want to because it is a fun ability

[peak jacinth]

all alts

[mellow bronze]

but having a guaranteed multihit stun that deals damage at the same time is too strong even before the stun stacking update

[sacred ingot]

ouch

[lavish yarrow]

for the blue orb, must it be activated before launching the teleporter event?

[sacred ingot]

yep

any color portal for that matter

[lavish yarrow]

even the artifact teleporter?

[mellow bronze]

no

[sacred ingot]

well now u got me. i was thinking only of the orbs that float around the normal tele

[peak jacinth]

it’s not really bad. for the secondary it’s personal preference, they’re equal, for utility the alt is so much better, and for the specials they both suck so it’s just “do you want stun or damage” and I want damage

[sacred ingot]

i usually find stun better in most cases but fair point

[mellow bronze]

suppressive does not suck

it didn't even before but now it definitely doesn't

if you think that the ability to choose an enemy and make him unable to do anything for 6 seconds and more with attack speed is bad then you're just crazy or coping on nades glaze

[peak jacinth]

lowering my damage to do so isn’t worth it when I can already very effectively dodge all the enemies attacks

at least in my opinion

I never find I actually need a stun tbh

[mellow bronze]

you do not lower your damage using suppressive. you lower your damage by throwing nades way more often in fact

[peak jacinth]

but if you like it and find it useful, all the power to you

[mellow bronze]

if it isn't counting bands

but if we start counting items then suppressive gets ahead even more

like if you aren't throwing both nades at the same time perfectly at sweetspot you did lose damage compared to just holding m1

[peak jacinth]

is this true? supp lowers your dps overall, nades doesn’t as long as you’re hitting them

[willow shoal]

Hey i have an important question

[mellow bronze]

it must be so small it doesn't matter but when you start counting attack speed then suppressive does more damage because the bullets that suppressive shoot are not tied to animation like the m1 is

[willow shoal]

if i end rn on moonsoon, do i getg the finish on moonsoon achievement

[mellow bronze]

yes probably

[sacred ingot]

yeah but 2 problems here:
1 - hitting them consistently
2 - supp is easily scalable w items, more so than nades

[trim narwhal]

attack speed animation caps dont matter unless you have a million syringes in which case you already won

i like suppressive more now because of the stun stacking bug

[peak jacinth]

yes you do

[trim narwhal]

good for s3+ elite spam

[willow shoal]

thanks god

[peak jacinth]

hitting them is easy, fun to learn

[mellow bronze]

i think the stun stacking thing is a bug and shouldn't be a thing imo it was fine before

[peak jacinth]

though it was a lot better on old physics, no clue why they even changed it

[lavish yarrow]

for equipment, should i go for the capacitor or the backup?

[peak jacinth]

yea stun stacking is so unnecessary, it was already so easy to perma stun enemies as MULT

[peak jacinth]

royal capacitor is way better

[mellow bronze]

if you have one lysate cell with commando you could still stunlock certain enemies with suppressive like elder lems and the big wisps

they would never use their deadly attacks before if you used it well

[peak jacinth]

stun grenade presumably got a lot better too

on high pps characters anyway

i already liked stun grenade

[mellow bronze]

1/2/3.5/5.5/8.5/13.5
1 is a syringe 0.5 is a mocha. these are the moments where commando m1 updates with attack speed
so if you have enough attack speed to be in between these numbers then suppressive is scaling better

idk anything beyond that because it's unrealistic

[peak jacinth]

attack speed rounding is still the weirdest thing in the game lol

[sacred ingot]

the only time i would maybe think about picking the backup here is w drone parts. but as you don't have the item, capacitor all the way

[peak jacinth]

I pick up the back up to give it to an equipment drone 🙂

[frigid glen]

do you guys use orbital more or diablo more?

[mellow bronze]

any is cool

[peak jacinth]

diablo is funnier

[sacred ingot]

oh sure but i wasn't even taking equip drones into consideration

they're kind of a meme anyways

[sacred ingot]

for me, orbital. no sense in handicapping yourself w a 20 second delay blast imo

[peak jacinth]

yea I was making a joke lol

[mellow bronze]

suppressive just has the ability to save you in so many situations
larvas jumping on you? shift
gup spawned in front of you? shift
golems all aiming at you? shift
elder lemurian and greater wisp suddenly behind you? shift
is your slide on cooldown in any moment? well you still have your special ability
i dont even know if special button is shift because i use m5 but anyway

now if you guys excuse me i'm going away because my friend arrived at my home so cya

[sacred ingot]

i dont excuse you actually