same issue happned with Needletick with sotv
#ror2-game-questions
glacial knoll
full apex
is it a DoT so they can have it refresh like bleed?..
glacial knoll
They have buffs that already refresh timers so idk
daring cloak
But why make lunar ruin have dot when its this shit dot
livid wedge
Yeah, don't the stacks fall off one at a time
glacial knoll
I assume it's just changed plans or actually insane person programming
Also pretty sure it's just straight up not always added as a DoT so who knows even
full apex
at this point expected, but still funny
glacial knoll
artificer acrid and chef players deciding who resets dots the fastests
full apex
ugh man i hate this double blight shadownerf business
although this one is a bug at least and should be fixed. and they said theyd do something about the elite hp bloat too which should help.
glacial knoll
I pinged Preston twice out of anger surely he read it or forwarded it
daring cloak
What elite hp bloat
full apex
yea probably, we'll wait a bit and see
full apex
What elite hp bloat
the T1.5 shit
glacial knoll
This whole thing of course, is one line of code, because someone didn't know how to unity
daring cloak
Ah the gilded nonsense
glacial knoll
I assume you mean just 70% more elites spawning
but surely Gildeds also get reworked into either tier 1.5 or demoted to tier 1
full apex
not just gilded, T1.5 is spawning regular elites like blazing and stuff with the same stat mods but cost 3.5x instead of 6x
glacial knoll
elite stats aren't tied to the elite tier
daring cloak
oh bruh
full apex
so for the same director cost and rewards you're getting more hp to kill than normal
(and more damage to take, but thats not relevant for poison)
glacial knoll
blazing that costs 3.5 has the same that's as one that costs 6 but yeah it's just dumb
Surprised how many people didn't even notice it at all
full apex
blazing that costs 3.5 has the same that's as one that costs 6 but yeah it's jus...
yea thats what i mean
the T1.5 is just spawning a T1 for cheaper lmao
i could see adding a 1.5 for gilded but idk why things that already have a tier are doubled up. it just means you cant trust the rewards anymore because you dunno if its T1 or T1.5
considering 3.5x is the amount elites in honor cost, i wonder if it was copied from that and something went wrong?.. or idk could be anything
glacial knoll
The Gilded EliteDef feels like it was made for Tier1.5
But then whoever made the EliteTier thought it was just "added later but it's still tier 1", but still fucked it up because he copy pasted the wrong elite tier cost
Do these things look like unreadable in unity like I can't imagine just, not, reading,
Tier 1.5 isn't healthy for the game anyways just make them full tier 1s
full apex
ah normal lunar ruin from meridian is not DoT so you cant cleanse it with a burn 😔
daring cloak
I dont like that there is a difference between pm and fs lunar ruin
full apex
Tier 1.5 isn't healthy for the game anyways just make them full tier 1s
i think so too, but if they wanted gilded to be overstatted for the cost only from S3+ then idk i could see it
daring cloak
Like why cant the pm lunar ruin run out at the same time as fs lunar ruin
glacial knoll
ah yes, programming
If it's permament, it's not permament, it's just 420s long and only a buff
Else it's a 5s dot
daring cloak
What?
full apex
jesus
glacial knoll
Still a dot that is meant to do 0 damage so ???
full apex
also i did notice it was 420s with looking glass and thought that was pretty silly
daring cloak
Still a dot that is meant to do 0 damage so ???
Its like they added the dot specifically so twisteds could get a few more hits in
full apex
i wonder if they wanted 7 minutes for a specific reason or just thought 420 fnuuy
glacial knoll
I don't understand how someone just Forgot, you could add buffs forever
Is it a thing for cleansing like actually can you not cleanse permament debuffs
why 420 not like 9999
but then why not juse both as a dot
trim narwhal
420 ebic
full apex
also do the prime meridian meteors scale with your hp or something?.. i had a bunch of hp ups to test out if i could cleanse it with fire, but its stage 2 only like 3 minutes in and the meteors were hitting over 6k damage or something
glacial knoll
Alright maybe timed buff makes sense I don't think you can cleanse buffs that last forever
still like why is a dot at all even
trim narwhal
6k at no lunar ruin stacks on urself ?
full apex
huh they do deal % hp, i think 10% maybe
glacial knoll
I believe this is the answer
daring cloak
damn it bypasses armor?
full apex
lul
glacial knoll
This is just the code that runs any time you take any damage
full apex
no
glacial knoll
Idk if lightning bypasses armor
daring cloak
Ok thank god
full apex
explains why it appears to deal so much damn damage then tho
you get <11 hits without any healing even if it didnt deal more each time
i guess the consolation is that the barrier blocks a few
i did notice getting here with not enough MS was misery
glacial knoll
yeahh
You die on the 8th hit without healing damn that's messed up
with how often this gets spammed
full apex
apply buff permanently.... so that later that can be overriden to 420s
glacial knoll
Yeah that's the damageTag saying it should apply LunarRuin for 420
Apparently the default damage they set it to is 500 damn wtf
I guess it was intended really early on to take % hp
daring cloak
Imo itd be better if it took current hp and not max hp
Would give more reason to put enemies on the parkour
analog brook
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY IS IT LIKE THIS
EVERYTHING COVERED IN THESE PAST 100 MESSAGES IS SO DUUMMBBB
What is this???????????? Like??? Huh?????????????
Nothing makes any god damn sense 😭😭😭😭😭😭 is every single new line of code written like this?????
Idk how much work it'd be but I doubt anyone would actually bother to skim over all the new code added and fix it because hoollllyyy I don't program at all but apply status effect permamently but if it's not permament it's for 420 seconds but else it's a 5s dot like HUUUHHH??????? A DOT THAT DEALS 0 DAMAGE TOO????
Every single part of this gets worse every day man 😭
glacial knoll
I mentioned it briefly in there but yeah apparently permament buffs aren't actually cleansable so it being timed makes sense
I don't think i'll ever make sense of the fake DoT thing tho
analog brook
Realisticly how bad is code like that for the game or adding new stuff or preformance or just anything in general
glacial knoll
The game is like surprisingly stable even if you add like 1000 bleed and every bleed and every couple seconds it needs to go through like everything yknow
1 more DoT would make some stuff longer but like not a noticible at all amount
Like if people can play mods with like 20 new dots I think we'll be fine
full apex
computers are really really fast nowadays so iterating lists with simple compares can happen pretty painlessly
i dont think theres anything egregious enough to mess with that rn
glacial knoll
Considering the Absurd amount of stuff this game needs to do it runs surprisingly well
Not sure we really needed worse physics tho but who knows
glacial knoll
Acid Larva falling through the floor like 50% of the time is like really bad
I don't really care that much that Merc one shotting AWU is gone but like it was fun
analog brook
Ok well good to know, will... not... doom post... keeping myself together 🥺
Like seeing this is very easy to immediately make my brain tell me that it's so over
glacial knoll
based on what I saw yeah it's really often
daring cloak
Thats like the rate of console sotv but ever since devotion its been drastically reduced
glacial knoll
they are like right at the speed threshold to fall through the floor
analog brook
Acid Larva falling through the floor like 50% of the time is like really bad
Wanna point out that they """improved this""" in verdant falls update for console because any enemy with downward moment fell through the ground but it's just what it is now and pc got it too so like hooray I guess or something
daring cloak
I remember back when I was able to shoot everything through walls with captains shotty
analog brook
i dont think theres anything egregious enough to mess with that rn
Kinda makes me sad one of the little things they patched in the code base unifying is the glitch where lunar rollers dying to vrit or reavers made the game try to force spawn their aoe puddle every frame for the rest of the stage, stacking each time it happens. Never crashed my game but It did get it to a solid 2 frames per seconds once
analog brook
Apparently on pc the lag happened for a little but assumedly the game just gave up on it after a second or two
daring cloak
It was so ass
analog brook
I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT
I never will, It made me find out the fps tied physics MONTHS before anyone.
daring cloak
I will never be able to recover from this
daring cloak
Actually shit I gotta see if I can still get mithrix to run off his arena into the abyss
glacial knoll
Ah the bugged shield what a classic
full apex
armor lowers the damage, so you can see whats actually happening
glacial knoll
How did they only fix it like for some enemies
daring cloak
armor lowers the damage, so you can see whats actually happening
This reminds me of that one time someone submitted a bug report of basically this but with the damage from echo
glacial knoll
I guess it's still like the you can't steal money from yourself or smth or from no one
Missing a single saftey check certainly would accomplish this
analog brook
armor lowers the damage, so you can see whats actually happening
So it lowers the damage but the game still wants to deal the original amount of damage so it hits you like a billion times?
full apex
full apex
So it lowers the damage but the game still wants to deal the original amount of ...
no, it NREs and the code breaks
so it ticks every frame
glacial knoll
Does it still do it with void deaths
full apex
pots also cause this by trying to reference an inventory that doesnt exist
analog brook
Welcome back fucked up elite aspects
daring cloak
Just out of curiosity can you try to explode soujourn while having the gilded aura?
full apex
so they explode every frame until you die or are out of range, where they now dont reference an inventory and can finish running their code so they explode
thats a mistake i have made while editing stuff in the game, not trapping an NRE is pretty basica stuff tho so its weird to see it officially added. youd think "eh doesnt matter aspects are rare on players", but its not just players. if you bait a gilded enemy into lava and its shield activates, it gets fucking deleted
daring cloak
So wait the pots try to reference an inventory that doesnt exist and then just try again?
full apex
yea it errors so the execution stops
analog brook
Awesome
daring cloak
thats a mistake i have made while editing stuff in the game, not trapping an NRE...
Also wake of vultures
analog brook
But i dont think anything will beat the stuff about lunar ruin and lightning I learnt today
Man.
full apex
this fixes it, just checking the inv isnt null
its used in other places which is where i grabbed this
analog brook
Out of curiosity
Are you able to give enemies items on a whim using some console command pc magic stuff
daring cloak
Are we thinking of the same thing qwp
analog brook
Yes.
Yes we are.
Basically, from wertus' testing, any enemy possessing chronic expansion (probably the one you come in contact with) completely fucks up seeker sojourn
But this is only possible with mithrix or specifically simulacrum since it's blacklisted from the evolution pool
full apex
full apex
Are you able to give enemies items on a whim using some console command pc magic...
yes why
full apex
also normally this will SHRED, pot damage scales with diff coeff and since im cheating for testing its really low rn
glacial knoll
daring cloak
Interesting
analog brook
Basically, from wertus' testing, any enemy possessing chronic expansion (probabl...
I'm very curious what this is about since from our perspective It makes zero sense and there's no way it doesn't have other absolutely bizarre shenanigans tied to it
Peak noxious thorn synergy therr
daring cloak
I'm very curious what this is about since from our perspective It makes zero sen...
Someone has reported the same weird shit with huntress and egg.... and without chronic or gilded
full apex
daring cloak
Which completely fucks over my understanding of what the hell causes this
glacial knoll
The Vehicle bug huh idk anything about it
Maybe if the "ending explosion" like hits a nullref you just get stuck in Car Jail
daring cloak
Damn it has a name?
daring cloak
Its just
As seen by this clip the requirements are more than just enemy has chronic
Bands also likely play a role in it for some reason
But the huntress egg report of that other guy only had bands and not enemy chronic
full apex
Basically, from wertus' testing, any enemy possessing chronic expansion (probabl...
im not sure i follow, what should i try?
glacial knoll
Idk how Chronic would've ever bugged "on hit" effects since it's not like related to that
analog brook
Let me find the clip that demonstrates it well
glacial knoll
Bugging an entire beings existence maybe but that'd be more noticible then just car damage
analog brook
Actually wertus probably has it but I'll try to find it
daring cloak
rapid current
Does alien Head buff artífice m1
daring cloak
Attack speed does too
glacial knoll
Yeah just somehow your "leaving the car" broke and now you're in car jail
but this is just normal enemies
analog brook
@daring cloak Do you have the simulacrum clip on hand? I might be misremembering but didn't sojourn explode several times when colliding with the ground?
glacial knoll
You hit a gilded I guess
daring cloak
You hit a gilded I guess
But in the huntress one no gilded was present
glacial knoll
eh yeah he spawned in later
daring cloak
<@826543386546798682> Do you have the simulacrum clip on hand? I might be misrem...
Ye but all those times it still hit barnacles
rapid current
Ye but all those times it still hit barnacles
What would u say IS the best red for artificer
daring cloak
Visually seeker stayed permanently until next stage but effectively it functioned normally when not hitting a barnacle or other enemy with chronic
analog brook
It might not need chronic expansion we just thought it's the only thing that made sense since it's the only two instances we could ever find of it existing before the huntress egg clip
daring cloak
Well
I tried to do the exact same setup and movements in a normal run and wasnt able to recreate it
full apex
What would u say IS the best red for artificer
i mean proc chains are always safe, so meathook, runic, boomer, clover, behemoth is also a standaout
full apex
I tried to do the exact same setup and movements in a normal run and wasnt able ...
do you have an idea what causes? id like to try it
daring cloak
Only when I hit an enemy that had chronic while having bands myself did it do its thing
daring cloak
do you have an idea what causes? id like to try it
I have no idea except that it only worked when the enemies had chronic and I had bands
full apex
but is it like just hit them with vehicle? or like hit and explode at the same time?
analog brook
#1283826605793349795 message this is the original clip, every time sojourn touches the ground it does the explosion but without ending the sojourn
daring cloak
but is it like just hit them with vehicle? or like hit and explode at the same t...
As long as the explosion hits
analog brook
It's pretty much just pass through them and it jappens
daring cloak
Doesnt matter if it was manually done or by hitting the ground
rapid current
do you have an idea what causes? id like to try it
Do u think IS better tô use First or the variation of the m1 bc u can use propane and molten perfurator
analog brook
Oh wait it requires you to do the explosion that normally forces you out?
daring cloak
Do u think IS better tô use First or the variation of the m1 bc u can use propan...
Flame bolts are better ye
glacial knoll
Wasn't that while Chronic just kinda destroyed enemies existence in general
daring cloak
The bug lies in that seeker just doesnt get fully kicked out of soujourn when doing it and therefore can keep pingponging in it
full apex
i dont dislike the aoe primary, and because burns are broken right now the fire is riskier because it can end bleeds or other DoTs
but if you dont build bleed or tick its fine
daring cloak
Wasn't that while Chronic just kinda destroyed enemies existence in general
I think so
full apex
and usually your use flame to get good bleed procs but you cant avoid flamethrower burning so
glacial knoll
fire if you use nanobomb idk
full apex
i dont play them much but i think i usually use fire
glacial knoll
could make the opposite argument for it too but ice spear is just kinda bad
full apex
both are fine though
silver shadow
i feel paraplegic
glacial knoll
it's crazy that a random nullref on the enemy can put you in car jail or instantly just kill you
daring cloak
Chronic on enemies is or at least was so crazy dude
full apex
yea
steady stone
Can u proc with poliliute
That's why polylute cherf is peak
Either a lot of lightning or a really strong plute
glacial knoll
oh god not this clip again
daring cloak
oh god not this clip again
This clip again
glacial knoll
Never let your game nullref dude there's so much wrong in this
daring cloak
Like I just wanted to go look below simu commencement not knowing my run was about to get the effects of every drug imaginable
rapid current
That's why polylute cherf is peak
Either a lot of lightning or a really strong p...
If the enemy IS dead and polilute effect IS showing can It proc things
full apex
The bug lies in that seeker just doesnt get fully kicked out of soujourn when do...
is this correct?..
full apex
If the enemy IS dead and polilute effect IS showing can It proc things
lute is an orb attack, afaik it shouldnt retarget
daring cloak
is this correct?..
Give yourself bands
When I did this on mithrix it also didnt work until I got bands back
steady stone
lute is an orb attack, afaik it shouldnt retarget
It just attacks the dead body last time I checked
Which could proc but gearbox might've changed it
glacial knoll
I don't think the game ever procced on attacks without a body
steady stone
Plute exclusive lol, jank item
glacial knoll
Unless it's some jank with like "oh the body is still there it's just yknow marked for deletion"
steady stone
Something with it already attacking a set amount of times with it already being dead
It's really obvious with stacks, just obliterating his corpse
glacial knoll
i'll test it whenever my game launches
full apex
it seems like it just ends which is what id expect
steady stone
If I had to honestly guess it's patched by now
full apex
i dont remember it ever having aoe
steady stone
It doesn't have aoe
full apex
orbs dont have that
so when something dies the effect just goes a few more times but it cant hurt other stuff
steady stone
Give yourself like 300 plutes and an ATG and kill a beetle, easiest way to see
glacial knoll
steady stone
Because it didn't do more damage, it was like phantom hitting the target
Definitely gone then
Seeing them get overkilled was always funny though
glacial knoll
hold on
full apex
glacial knoll
It probably is like straight up what I said
if it's random of all things on what enemies it triggers and when
rapid current
What If u have in mittix can polilute hit after he stels ALL your items
full apex
steady stone
My connections sucks so I can't watch any of these rn
steady stone
Does it still proc on air?
daring cloak
And always will be
rapid current
Can u Stack 10 alien Heads with artificer
full apex
it just keeps targetting the same spot, cause thats what orbs do. though it doesnt do the full set i dont think
steady stone
Can u Stack 10 alien Heads with artificer
Purity is arguably better but yeah
glacial knoll
I don't think anyone ever said it retargeted
full apex
thats what shrimp does too, another benefit of atg is actually retargetting
full apex
I don't think anyone ever said it retargeted
theres no other way it would do anything to another enemy
steady stone
Yeah I was just saying it hit the dead guy, making other things proc
rapid current
Purity is arguably better but yeah
Dlc
steady stone
Like an ATG or stuff
glacial knoll
Wisps I guess just get deleted really quickly so it doesn't proc on dead wisps
daring cloak
Purity is base game
glacial knoll
But it does Proc on dead lemurians
steady stone
But it does Proc on dead lemurians
I remember beetles always seemed to get hit the most
full apex
purity is funny but really messes up your procs
so outside of memes and short runs its kinda scuffed
the builds where it worked best probably are ok with lux
glacial knoll
most boring sounding way to play
steady stone
Bandit is also good with desperado purity
steady stone
most boring sounding way to play
Thats why I don't play arti lol, I said it was good not fun
daring cloak
39 purity diablo
steady stone
Also why I don't like desperado anymore
steady stone
It's just the length of death I think. Try a beetle and give yourself an ATG
glacial knoll
Yeah it'll still go away when the target is deleted but that randomly takes a some time
steady stone
Beetles have a ragdoll
rapid current
Does normal Teddy hás cd
rapid current
Tougher Times has no cooldown
I got 10 and 5 clovera
daring cloak
What is plute tied to in terms of how it hits an enemy
steady stone
But yeah it was never about plute retargeting, it procs ATG
glacial knoll
Clover does not work with Tougher Times as the description states iirc
full apex
idk it doesnt seem to work on dead boddies
steady stone
What is plute tied to in terms of how it hits an enemy
3 hits per stack iirc
daring cloak
What is plute tied to in terms of how it hits an enemy
Because it clearly isnt just the hitbox
full apex
Because it clearly isnt just the hitbox
same as all orbs, it just has a target body
glacial knoll
no one said it procced on ragdolls it just continues proccing on dead bodies for like 0-2 seconds
and that can Proc atg and other such things
steady stone
no one said it procced on ragdolls it just continues proccing on dead bodies for...
I think it's based on death animation length
The stone titan got hit longer than the golem in charmlie clip
daring cloak
Do corpses ever change states or is a corpse just a corpse with nothing else changing
glacial knoll
it's just nothing
steady stone
Well wisp was instant because it got deleted instantly
Wisps just pop
Unless it's more gearbox magic
full apex
i see i see
glacial knoll
It's just a lot of small random stuff yeah
Idk why a Lemurian would need to continue "existing" for longer than a wisp but who knows
Probably just death state duration as you said
steady stone
Idk why a Lemurian would need to continue "existing" for longer than a wisp but ...
Physics maybe?
daring cloak
I mean is there a difference between a dying and a dead enemy
steady stone
A wisp would never have to fall
glacial knoll
I guess entiystates are part of the body so the death state is probably just it
If you have corpses disabled I can't imagine it'd work any differently
steady stone
Better PC = better polylute
glacial knoll
corpse limit dependent polylute real when
daring cloak
I will never understand why console cant disable corpses unless im illiterate
Because I have not seen that option anywhere
full apex
glacial knoll
Console gaming is only starting to realize options should be a real thing I don't get it
analog brook
Like look at this templar
OOOOHHHHHHHHH SO THATS WHAT HAPPENED
full apex
it works while the death anim is playing it seems
steady stone
So it's 100% enemy dependant
full apex
that used to happen with beetles idk if it still does, their corpses while dying blocked mando shots
steady stone
So saying beetle felt longer isn't me insane
glacial knoll
Which enemy is getting the longest Polylute tier list
At least when Hopoo games does something insane on accident it's funny and makes the item better
steady stone
At least when Hopoo games does something insane on accident it's funny and makes...
RIP merc slam
daring cloak
I mean gearbox also has done some accidental sillies with items in the past
daring cloak
How the hell did you jump so high that seems like the weirded part here
Oh yeah that was also a bug
steady stone
old double nailgun sticky bomb mul-t 😞
daring cloak
Almost all items had one of their effects doubled
glacial knoll
Physics just kinda do that with Headstompers idk why
Definitely really rare last time I was actively playing the game tho
daring cloak
2 discs sending out
Twice as much squid knockback
Double atg
steady stone
Physics just kinda do that with Headstompers idk why
no that was just a Console Exclusive Feature tm
daring cloak
2 discs sending out
Twice as much squid knockback
Double atg
Doubled bungus healing rate and halved time required to activate
glacial knoll
I meant the stomping but like landing on a bouncy pad
steady stone
im so glad they fixed the console only bugs by making them no longer limited to console
daring cloak
I havent experienced those hops before or after console sotv
glacial knoll
A really random particle not being networked got fixed ever since Gearbox took over
analog brook
2 discs sending out
Twice as much squid knockback
Double atg
Ok double atg didnt exist but yeah a lot go shit like little disciple frost relic tesla coil etc
daring cloak
im so glad they fixed the console only bugs by making them no longer limited to ...
Only a matter of time until the old knockback makes its grande return for all versions
steady stone
Only a matter of time until the old knockback makes its grande return for all ve...
make captain flying enemy knockback bigger
glacial knoll
make double shotgun captain alt primary that just has double knockback
daring cloak
Dude I wish so much I had taken a clip of the wisp chimeras literally shooting me across the moon and into a corner to bully me
steady stone
make captain flying enemy knockback bigger
did they ever patch this either? it used to knock wisps so far they weren't in view anymore
just on default m1
analog brook
im so glad they fixed the console only bugs by making them no longer limited to ...
How it felt to spend hundreds of hours on a bug spreadlist of the console versions for nearly none of it get patched after being told it was looked at and send over 💔
daring cloak
did they ever patch this either? it used to knock wisps so far they weren't in v...
Nope lmao still there
Still sending wisps into orbit
steady stone
oh so when CAPTAIN does it it's fine but MERC...
daring cloak
I mean with merc its not really plain knockback
steady stone
I mean with merc its not really plain knockback
i will kill all AwUs
full apex
alright well this seems better than in the past
a long time ago they would have a lingering hitbox for a while. and you can proc on the corpse while thats happening, or at least you could
so the lute thing makes sense, while the body is still an anim its a valid target which is why lute goes on a lil bit and can proc, but when you have shown-0 corpse limit as soon as it disappears it stops
2 years ago wow
gray spade
how do i get out of the bands dungeon?
i cant find the exit
gray spade
i cant see the exit
daring cloak
In that case find a way to clip yourself back out
full apex
here
full apex
i dont rember if the game has a brightness setting
daring cloak
It does have a gamma setting if that helps
On pc that is
I kinda miss the brittle old console collision
That you could just get yourself stuck in that cave this easily
rapid current
I got 2 purity with artificer why It IS slow m1
full apex
hm?
steady stone
is there a way to make it brighter?
oh yeah, the exit tunnel for bands has a really bad lighting transition. Just keep blindly jumping up the hole until it shifts back into surface lighting levels.
daring cloak
I got 2 purity with artificer why It IS slow m1
Purity or light flux pauldron
steady stone
I got 2 purity with artificer why It IS slow m1
cooldowns will never go below 0.5 seconds
also 
is purity, just in case
gray spade
oh yeah, the exit tunnel for bands has a really bad lighting transition. Just ke...
i see
steady stone
makes your attack speed lower on m1, but overall lower cooldowns
rapid current
cooldowns will never go below 0.5 seconds
also <:L_Purity:826691155646349332> is...
I Saw my friend with soldier siringes attack Very fast
daring cloak
Also artis bolts are just too chill to care about the cooldown limit as they can go below 0.5
daring cloak
Ive been told multiple times they do
steady stone
yeah last time i checked EVERY ability was 0.5 minimum
even attacks are just abilities with no cooldown i believe
gray spade
can engi even proc bands?
daring cloak
And I have seen with my very eyes machine gun artificer
full apex
yea its part of the skilldef i think
steady stone
can engi even proc bands?
harpoons and mines
full apex
harpoons
daring cloak
Though idk if the 0.5 breach is only achievable by attack speed or other forms of cd reduction
steady stone
How do I get in there in the first place I rly want the bands lol
hidden plates on aquaducts
full apex
you have to open the door by finding both buttons and pressing them at the same time
daring cloak
Or you could find a spot on the door that has a tiny gap that you can clip through with vulcanic egg
steady stone
lems dont spawn then
full apex
clipping in doesnt work anymore yea
daring cloak
Right right forgor
brazen briar
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Abandoned_Aqueduct#Pressure_Plate_Locations
Oof they’re so hard to find though lol
rapid current
Also artis bolts are just too chill to care about the cooldown limit as they can...
Can fire Go less then 0.5
steady stone
Oof they’re so hard to find though lol
you'll memorize em with time
daring cloak
Can fire Go less then 0.5
I believe so yes
rapid current
Can Someone get 100 siringes
steady stone
and i dont see why arti m1 would be the exception
rapid current
Qnd try
steady stone
especially since heretic exists
syringes do slightly affect cooldown length now in SOTS, but cooldown reduction is what you want
purity is -2 seconds iirc
full apex
yea they changed it
glacial knoll
it goes below 0s yes
daring cloak
and i dont see why arti m1 would be the exception
Well she is from what ive seen
full apex
looks like AS is probably better. scales flamethrower nowadays too
full apex
purity is -2 seconds iirc
2 +1 per stack
so -2, -3, -4
steady stone
oh? did they add that with the attack speed scaling changes?
not the purity, the cooldowns on arti
i love that the image it shows you before clicking on the purity wiki is this too
daring cloak
not the purity, the cooldowns on arti
Think so ye
rapid current
What red should i get with artificer
daring cloak
Defensive microbots
full apex
smuggle them in
full apex
hehehehe
brazen briar
What’s Son’s gameplay like >w> I only have void rn lol
As far as I’ve heard he’s kinda clunky and seeker is pretty neat
full apex
imo his animations feel a bit unfinished, so he feels kinda clunky, but hes pretty powerful in my experience
full apex
Wha how
hehehe, certified charlie secret
though i will say, its not mods. that would be too easy.
daring cloak
It aint rebirth either because its blacklisted from that shrine
full apex
ive been keeping this closely guarded because i dont want it to get removed yet its so fun to smuggle in silly items
daring cloak
Hmmmmmm
full apex
ever played with adaptive armor? or the empathy cores item that gives 100% damage per ally? both very fnuuy
or wicked ring desperado bandit is real silly
teamsizedamage engi is great because with turrets you all have 300% damage right off the bat
quasi crystal
ever played with adaptive armor? or the empathy cores item that gives 100% damag...
is adaptive armor even impactful
wide parrot
Yes
full apex
is adaptive armor even impactful
i wasnt sure at first but absolutely yes
the players really low hp means almost any hits will gives hundreds of armor
rapid current
IS there a way tô charge the Teleporter in less then 10 seconds
full apex
even just nabbing some fall damage will give 5x effective health
daring cloak
IS there a way tô charge the Teleporter in less then 10 seconds
No
Even focused convergence wont take you that low as it caps out at 3 stacks
pure bison
anyone got tips for huntress not taking any damage on third stage? i checked the wiki and apparently stuff like personal shield generator still count as hp so if my shield gets damaged i fail the challenge?
full apex
be careful if you take more than 1 stack tho. areas with smaller holds like void or vields can get rough
full apex
anyone got tips for huntress not taking any damage on third stage? i checked the...
yea shield is part of combined max hp
daring cloak
anyone got tips for huntress not taking any damage on third stage? i checked the...
Yes but barrier is an overflow of hp (meaning up to 200% hp) which is over 100% hp even if you get hit
full apex
barrier doesnt count as taking hp damage, so it works for the merc unlock, but i dont think huntress's is staying 100% hp, rather not taking damage
daring cloak
As long as you dont get hit past what your barrier provides
full apex
i dont really rember exactly tho
pure bison
barrier doesnt count as taking hp damage, so it works for the merc unlock, but i...
it says hp not going below 100% so barrier might work
daring cloak
Im fairly certain that barrier also works for huntress
pure bison
only barrier item i can think of is topach brooch tho
daring cloak
Also turn off sotv for this
pure bison
sotv?
pure bison
i have yet to encounter a sulfur pool i think
full apex
wiki says barrier is fine
pure bison
ah im on base game its a dlc stage
daring cloak
Ok good
full apex
i thought it was one or the other, but seems either it was changed, or i just misrembered
pure bison
so the only thing i can do is stack topach brooches?
full apex
aegis with healing works too but getting it up and running quickly would take command at least
daring cloak
You could also get aegis and stack a BUNCH of healing but brooches are less resource heavy
full apex
alternatively, just try and be strong enough that you kill before stuff can hurt you
topaz brooch with FMP is pretty solid
funnily enough, this is probably the only place where huntress's base hp down is useful. barrier decay is based on max hp, and brooch is a flat amount. so it wont decay as quickly as on other survivors
pure bison
what is fmp?
full apex
daring cloak
Forgive me please
full apex
equipment that activates your on kill effects
analog brook
though i will say, its not mods. that would be too easy.
Is it smth to do with all artifacts? Or is it even possible outside of pc,,,
daring cloak
equipment that activates your on kill effects
Multiple times
pure bison
ooh i forgot about that item
full apex
Is it smth to do with all artifacts? Or is it even possible outside of pc,,,
i dont think its possible on consoles.
pure bison
thanks for the tips guys
analog brook
Awwwww my immense interest just dropped 💔
daring cloak
Is it smth to do with all artifacts? Or is it even possible outside of pc,,,
Well since they have uhh thingie rebirth on but no rebirth item it seems that microbots were the stored item somehow
full apex
pc gets all the fnuuy shenans. console just gets bugs lmao
analog brook
Real,,,,
daring cloak
I am theorycrafting how the hell they jammed microbots in the shrine of rebirth though as its blacklisted
analog brook
It would admittedly be really funny if you just used mods and said it wasn't because of mods 
full apex
shhhhhh i am fairly certain it should work as a client in multiplayer, which would allow you to kinda troll lobbies without mods... which means it might be something gbx would patch if they learn of it who knows
daring cloak
My one goal in ror2 is to somehow put an artifact key in the shrine of rebirth
rapid current
Whats chance of red with sacrifice
full apex
It would admittedly be really funny if you just used mods and said it wasn't bec...
dbtk has a command to put something in rebirth, its too easy that way
daring cloak
shhhhhh i am fairly certain it should work as a client in multiplayer, which wou...
Client multiplayer huh
analog brook
So if it's only possible on pc it has to be some sort of exploit not doable with a controller or on the surface of the game without digging into it
daring cloak
Well my theory of menu overlapping seems to be shattered
analog brook
This is probably stupid but what if it's something related to selecting items with the new inventory menu while rebirthing but like idk it wouldn't make much sense of why it'd work and be pc exclusive
daring cloak
Ye thats what I mean by menu overlapping
full apex
My one goal in ror2 is to somehow put an artifact key in the shrine of rebirth
no problem no problem
reloaded the game just to show off lol
cold fossil
reloaded the game just to show off lol
🦛
daring cloak
Now things got serious
analog brook
Ok im convinced it's something done outside of ingame
daring cloak
Ok but did you get an artifact key out of the reliquary in the first place?
full apex
Ok im convinced it's something done outside of ingame
or i just restarted and/or crashed my game lmao
analog brook
It'd be hilarious if it was note text again
full apex
if you figure it out tho u gotta keep it to yourself hahaha
analog brook
I would NEVER snitch
full apex
at least for now, i've managed to keep it mostly under wraps but its funny enough i had to share in that moment
analog brook
I'm mostly curious to see if I could do it on console
daring cloak
Client multiplayer is getting crazier and crazier
First free out of bounds movement and now item smuggling
analog brook
I've been trying to keep details of wertus' out of bounds trick out of the open
daring cloak
I do doubt the bug will survive the next update
full apex
i will say that it requires restarting the game, so it cant be done more than once in the same session, even if its different runs
daring cloak
Since it relies on a very basic and easily achievable bug
analog brook
I haven't felt my brain cells trying to connect something together like this in ages
full apex
its like a scavenger hunt lol
daring cloak
Well if it requires a restart or crash it should be right up my alley (the switch has become disgustingly crash happy since sots)
full apex
reminds me of the time one of the devs popped into chat after we said theres no way to recharge shields except being out of combat, and they just said mmmm theres actually 2 ways 😉 and left us to find it haha
analog brook
Oh damn was that long ago or post gearbox
full apex
which btw if youve never tried transcendence railgunner abusing the mechanic, its pretty fun
yea
not suuuuper long after railer came out
full apex
o shit i misread
yea sorry LOL
it was a while ago, so pre gbx
like not super long after the first dlc so
daring cloak
Imagine preston just hopped into this channel being all like "yo folks you havent found that one bug that lets you bend the entire game yet right?"
With how ridiculous the game's stability is I would not be surprised if there actually was a bug that just lets you break and twist everything you want
analog brook
Imagine preston just hopped into this channel being all like "yo folks you haven...
They actually knew about every single one of the bugs already
daring cloak
If I ever do find a bug that lets me mess with the code or smth I would not say a thing about it because it would be a top priority patch
analog brook
It's probably smth dumb like if you pick up an item and inspect it in your inventory while closing the game it goes into the rebirth shrine 😭
daring cloak
Ye thats what Ive been thinking too
analog brook
If I ever do find a bug that lets me mess with the code or smth I would not say ...
I was gonna say this is way out of the realm of possibilities but I remembered about the super meat boy glitch that lets you literally shift the code of the game during a playthrough by duping a collectible so like maybe
daring cloak
Though that stored artifact key does make me wonder if you actually need to have the item you want to store
analog brook
Oh my god surely it's not smth to do with the logbook
analog brook
ever played with adaptive armor? or the empathy cores item that gives 100% damag...
Ok wait no that doesn't make sense these messages mean she can get any cut or not usually visible items
Including the cut item that reduces cooldown on crit
daring cloak
Huh?
full apex
Everything is held in the ItemIndex
daring cloak
Ah..... right
full apex
in order to have the internal names on hand I actually dumped and then pinned the index here
full apex
the log there is a dbtk command, but its just to list the real and internal names together and stuff
daring cloak
So yeah it definitely seems to not be possible on console if it requires the internal names
analog brook
So is it just changing this in the files
full apex
the internal names were just good to have in general
but the command shows the whole itemindex
uh-ohh
daring cloak
I do wonder if we could possibly switch around ids to change whats stored
Just for collector's sake I want to jam an unobtainable item in there 
analog brook
Ok yea I'm like 70% sure it's just changing these words in the files and resetting the game but Im being throw off with the fact that charmlie would actually just share it outright like that
full apex
tbh i think that was before i discovered any rebirth related shenanigans
analog brook
God damn it
full apex
you'd think there would be some failsafes, but rebirth can read any item from the itemindex
i dont want them to add any though lol
analog brook
The whole resetting the game thing is just throwing me off so hard I don't get it, maybe it's like to store an item you cant store because it won't let you end the run otherwise and you'd have to ignore the rebirth shrine (???)
daring cloak
They likely wont considering how complex it seems to be to jam items in there
brazen briar
Are there any achievements outside of the reach stage 20 one I should try getting on this god run I’m on rn lol
full apex
you could go for artifacts if you want
brazen briar
I’m usin fiend so no character specific unlocks but I’ve unlocked a few things this run, just curious if there’s anything else I should do before obliterate. Apparently gilded coast is a no since aurelionite’s hp would be too much this far into the run? Or can I risk it
brazen briar
you could go for artifacts if you want
Oooo true
full apex
glass can be annoying, if you are confident in your strength it can be easier
brazen briar
Last time I tried getting chaos artifact my drones merked me lmao
full apex
that too lol
brazen briar
glass can be annoying, if you are confident in your strength it can be easier
I already have a shaped glass tho ;w; eek
Can I try blastin aurelionite or too risky with her hp scaling
daring cloak
Actually have you pc folks been able to find out yet if free oob movement is possible on pc too
It is dependent on client multiplayer so I cant really tell if its a shared oddity
full apex
aurelionite is not a huge issue even normally, so in a stronk run should be fine.
daring cloak
Ye auri is fine
full apex
Actually have you pc folks been able to find out yet if free oob movement is pos...
when i did this on some stage it tele'd me back as soon as egg ended
daring cloak
Just watch out for the elder lems and titans
full apex
but egg gesture was able to reactivate fine
brazen briar
Bet
full apex
but it wasnt helminth idk if it needs to be there
daring cloak
when i did this on some stage it tele'd me back as soon as egg ended
Yes thats what it does for hosted and singleplayer
full apex
icicic
thanks to being good with dbtk i usually end up hosting for my friends
that way i can be a trickster god 
daring cloak
From my testing in client multiplayer when re activating egg it tries to teleport you back but fails, letting you stay there even after leaving egg
peak jacinth
Actually have you pc folks been able to find out yet if free oob movement is pos...
I’ve been able to have free oob movement in newt
it’s really easy to get out of bounds in newt
daring cloak
Oh yeah Ive been messing around there too
peak jacinth
I don’t think it’s client dependent on pc? i’d need to check again tho
daring cloak
Well from charmlies testing it behaved just as it did for me
Porting the player back as soon as they exit egg
peak jacinth
It’s probably stage dependent too then
brazen briar
Void fields is a no go on late-game run right lol
daring cloak
It’s probably stage dependent too then
Unlikely
The bazaar just has very wonky oob boundaries
At least it feels like that
peak jacinth
yea so that would be environment dependent
daring cloak
In terms of what counts as in bounds yes
peak jacinth
Void fields is a no go on late-game run right lol
not necessarily
daring cloak
But going fully out of bounds and beyond the boundaries that take you back seems to always have the same requirements
peak jacinth
really depends on your run, and I guess how late game it is
full apex
here it is
daring cloak
With one fuel cell and egg I can simply refuse to leave the bazaar after newt tries to kick you out
brazen briar
really depends on your run, and I guess how late game it is
Over 2 hours in lmao
Basically everything dies the frame it spawns etc etc
full apex
yea if you are nutty its probably fine.
peak jacinth
then ur probably safe to go
full apex
if you get scare you can always leave early
peak jacinth
there isn’t really anything in vields that’ll make u lose that’s specific to late game if you’re already one shotting everything
daring cloak
How do the oob boundaries even look like?
Are they blocks that end or do they reach indefinitely
full apex
yea usually scariest thing is enemy bullshittery like tesla wisps or something. but theyre ez to kill on strong runs and probably wont get picked over stronger stuff that late
daring cloak
And tesla vields does not exist anymore either
full apex
w8 w8 did they remove it? i dont rember, that sounds good
daring cloak
Yup tesla is ai blacklisted
full apex
tesla was a big pain because long range, orb so homing, and wallhacks too
daring cloak
Same with safer spaces
Neither the tesla game ender nor the spaces softlock exist anymore
brazen briar
Niche question but uh fiend’s utility completely removed his hitbox right? Like he could dodge even reaver death explosion if he’s using it when it explodes
full apex
i dont actually remember for him, i know strides and sojourn do
daring cloak
Niche question but uh fiend’s utility completely removed his hitbox right? Like ...
Yes
WAIT PHANTOM SHIT
full apex
wiki says yes for the regular but doesnt mention it for corrupted
daring cloak
I GOTTA SEE IF I CAN VIEND THROUGH THE TREES
full apex
might just be omitted tho
brazen briar
Cooool
Also I managed to kill newt lmaooo he’s gonna haunt me in my dreams
ik what else is haunting my nightmares the sound of plasma shrimp proccing aaaaa
daring cloak
The trees on distant roost are haunting me
full apex
light flux acrid with shrimp and icbm stacking leap pools every half second and causing an obscene army of shrimp procs
brazen briar
I’m just using fiend and I have benthic that’s all that needs to be said
:(
And my run’s at 3 hours cuz I’m mental
daring cloak
Alright time to see if I can viend through the trees
HELLO ROOST
ive been resetting runs for ages
Roost dont want to come
rapid current
what would happen if you got 1000 egocentrism
daring cloak
Ok interesting
quasi crystal
1000 bomb
full apex
what would happen if you got 1000 egocentrism
a lot of orbs
daring cloak
Viend is intangible but not collisionless in trespass
Meaning he does not pass through phantom objects
full apex
what would happen if you got 1000 egocentrism
heres chart up to 50
and heres the like 80-100+ region
daring cloak
I should really make a list of all the things ive been able to identify as phantom so far
full apex
at 100, youve well and hit the final breakpoint
rapid current
i got 1000 on a ps5 would it crash?
daring cloak
You would crash before you got to 1000
rapid current
at 100, youve well and hit the final breakpoint
theres a limit for orbs?
full apex
it doesnt get any faster meaning no better dps.
but out of combat youll save up more for a bigger burst if you max it out
or well out of range so they arent being consumed rather
rapid current
it doesnt get any faster meaning no better dps.
does command affect irradiant pearl
full apex
no, why would it?
full apex
although yea printers dont spawn and cleansing pool is in that category
rapid current
although yea printers dont spawn and cleansing pool is in that category
is the new red item that drops items how much is the chance of dropping a item when killing elite
is it 15% or did they nerfed it
full apex
15%+5%, i dont think its been changed
daring cloak
Nerfed to 3%
analog brook
3% +1 per stack
full apex
oh was it actually?
analog brook
15%+5%, i dont think its been changed
Actually suprised you didn't catch this, felt like everyone was talking about this lol
full apex
yea i was gonna say its not changed in looking glass.
rapid current
you still can get a lot of items from the bosses
daring cloak
They didnt forget it either they literally wrote in the patchnotes "oh btw this log is just kinda lying now"
full apex
Actually suprised you didn't catch this, felt like everyone was talking about th...
seriously lol, dunno how i didnt hear about it at all
analog brook
The funny part is that in the patch note where they said it was changed they got it wrong and said 4% instead of 3% 😭😭😭😭😭
daring cloak
That too
full apex
yea i was gonna say im digging the patch notes and found this haha
analog brook
Risk of rain brainwashing anyone to make content for it to not be able to make correct descriptions
rapid current
yea i was gonna say im digging the patch notes and found this haha
is the boss drop still 100%?
daring cloak
Yes
full apex
quasi crystal
Log book change pending
full apex
whats very silly is it still uses a roll set to 100%... which is a waste. but yea the elite says 2+1 per
although... that isnt 15?
analog brook
Boss monsters being called champions is kinda raw
full apex
its been that way forever
rapid current
if with artifact of kin it only with spawn bosses will it spawn less enemies ?
analog brook
I never knew but it's pretty cool
wide parrot
if with artifact of kin it only with spawn bosses will it spawn less enemies ?
It does that with every enemy
full apex
if with artifact of kin it only with spawn bosses will it spawn less enemies ?
bosses are more expensive, and much stronger than other enemies, so it will spawn less
but its not making less money or anything, so neither are you
wide parrot
It doesn’t increase spawn rates at all, it essentially works by spawning every enemy still, but if it’s not the kin enemy it prevents it
analog brook
its been that way forever
I'm assuming it's to differintate the difference between bosses (red hp bar at the top of screen) and boss type enemies? Unless I'm mistaken and sonorous whispers only works on bosses and not boss type enemies?
full apex
its boss type enemies, champion doesnt mean red health bar stuff its just a class of enemies
its used when trying to validate certain things, like teleporter bosses will try to be champions but that doesnt mean champions cant spawn normally
analog brook
Ok makes sense, thank youu
daring cloak
I wish the term champion was more widespread
analog brook
You know what piece of media uses champion a lot
daring cloak
Would make it so much easier to differentiate from the naturally spawning being and the condition of any select being
analog brook
Oh you meant in terms of risk of rain I was gonna bring up Minecraft parkour civilization 💔
full apex
OK im not crazy
the 50 bosses dropped 50 items, as expected from a 100% chance. but 100 elites dropped 3.
thats not 15%, and the code right now being 2+1 per stack is exactly 3%.
analog brook
I havent heard of that outside of this server at all
You're living under a rock and missing out on peak media
analog brook
thats not 15%, and the code right now being 2+1 per stack is exactly 3%.
Yea they said they couldn't change the logbook to reflect the change yet (time constraints....?????)
full apex
with 9 stacks for 10% i got 6 items...
if it really was 15+5 before this is a MASSIVE nerf to the elite portion of the item, and therefore the stacking behavior of the item.
also rip my computer lmao
analog brook
Yeah it got nerfed big time, but I mean, deserved kinda?
Not sure but probably fine, ish
full apex
200 kills 19, pretty close to 10% as expected
its probably fine because bosses are 100% but man that makes stacking it miserable
bosses should just have been lowered instead of completely gutting the elite portion
make both halves scale with stacks but bosses scale much faster
quasi crystal
I barely get any items from sonorous post nerf it's not worth soup anymore
full apex
hmmm interesting
makes sense but elite bosses roll both halves
i swear i remember someone telling me it was one or the other.
daring cloak
Misinformation goes strong in this server
Been told wrong things disgustingly many times
full apex
yea they totally drop 2
the code is 2 ifs, no else, so both halves run back to back not one or the other
so thats neat, that probably helps the elite half late game. but by that point, sometimes getting 2 instead of 1 like 3% of the time is very unimpactful
if you are regularly getting elite bosses then the 100% is basically all that matter
analog brook
I'm suprised they picked such a specific number as 3 instead of like 5 or smth
full apex
yea 50+10 and 5+1 or something would make sense idk
peak jacinth
so thats neat, that probably helps the elite half late game. but by that point, ...
3% is lower than the minimum chance for a sacrifice item to drop, so it’s an insanely low chance
I dont tend to get that many sacrifice items on stage 1 from just killing beetles and wisps
full apex
to be fair that early the director isnt exactly making bank, so its also spawning pretty slowly
peak jacinth
to be fair that early the director isnt exactly making bank, so its also spawnin...
yea but to be fairer this is only on elite, so that elite chance for sonorous is non-existent
livid wedge
the code is 2 ifs, no else, so both halves run back to back not one or the other
Nice, I was actually curious on that one. Thanks for answering that
full apex
yea but to be fairer this is only on elite, so that elite chance for sonorous is...
with the addition of t1.5 right now, stage 3+ can become pretty elite spammy
across an entire stage tho it might only be like 1-3 items idk. which makes the boss one just more powerful by far since youre getting tele bosses at the least, plus maybe some prespawn bosses
livid wedge
Does luck affect the magic conch?
full apex
Does luck affect the magic conch?
yems
peak jacinth
idk each time I’ve gotten it since nerf (which has only been 3 times mind you) it’s gotten like 4 items total from elites across like 5 stages
brazen briar
idk each time I’ve gotten it since nerf (which has only been 3 times mind you) i...
Lmao
peak jacinth
if you get it early the elite chance matters more but when you’re getting it like middle to end of stage 4 it’s just not effective enough. The boss drops are good tho
full apex
well if ur leaving on 5 then getting a value item on 4 just generally wont be useful
like shipping form or rusty key also get almost no value
granted those are easier to get, but i think the theory still stands
peak jacinth
well if ur leaving on 5 then getting a value item on 4 just generally wont be us...
not really, since stage 5 can have a loooot of normal spawning bosses
full apex
itll still give stuff just not as much as if you were looping for instance
though i do feel the elite chance being so low really does make it borderline inconsequential
analog brook
Had a person tell me once the nerf made it the worst red in the game
full apex
its like a random freebie
full apex
Had a person tell me once the nerf made it the worst red in the game
not even close lmao
peak jacinth
Had a person tell me once the nerf made it the worst red in the game
LOL in this server or just a friend?
full apex
not when dios, alien head, and now warbonds exist
daring cloak
Tbh you just cant trust this server with anything anymore
Like some of the opinions here....
And sometimes even some of the information given
Not really the yellow of the egg
analog brook
Entering ror2 discussion and it's a 20% chance for it to be Rex, poison V blight, flamethrower V ion surge, dlc is best thing ever, dlc ruining the game
full apex
classic
it does feel like some stuff just gets old. especially because with the same people talking about it over and over, youd think the discussions would evolve better
but they seem to just stay the same
daring cloak
Entering ror2 discussion and it's a 20% chance for it to be Rex, poison V blight...
Sometimes also giant wars about math
full apex
people do like to latch onto streamer takes tho and ignore the nuance of the matter
analog brook
The occasional people that say Rex is the best survivor in the game is just wild to me
Like they're definitely not the worse but like cmon
One time I got the person to play rex and they near INSTANTLY did a 180 switch
peak jacinth
Tbh you just cant trust this server with anything anymore
I mean maybe in ror2-discussion, most of the info here is pretty sound
steady stone
people do like to latch onto streamer takes tho and ignore the nuance of the mat...
"sdp sucks" was an actual take once, and those people will never live it down
peak jacinth
"sdp sucks" was an actual take once, and those people will never live it down
woolie blameable??
daring cloak
I mean maybe in ror2-discussion, *most* of the info here is pretty sound
Ehhh even here a lot of the more technical stuff that ive heard ended up being false
steady stone
woolie blameable??
i honestly dont remember who said it, it was in a really bad tier list lol
peak jacinth
Ehhh even here a lot of the more technical stuff that ive heard ended up being f...
like?
peak jacinth
i honestly dont remember who said it, it was in a really bad tier list lol
woolie said it was C tier
daring cloak
Prolly suncles
peak jacinth
tru 💀
analog brook
"sdp sucks" was an actual take once, and those people will never live it down
I think the 3 and a half years of 5 minute rule and clover is the single best item in the game being the most widespread mindset everywhere it was so miserable
steady stone
clover is pretty good tho
daring cloak
Pretty good but not run defining
peak jacinth
clover is great!
analog brook
It's good but it was commonly considered the single best item in te game which is a little overkill
daring cloak
Like clover is still really good but woolie made it out to be like "oh ma god infinite procs"
steady stone
clover is good because atg allows it to be
analog brook
Were yall there in like 2021ish where disputed had to make an apology video for making a video debunking woolies new player guide about the 5 minute rule because people were harassing disupted over it 😭
peak jacinth
Were yall there in like 2021ish where disputed had to make an apology video for ...
yes, woolie consistently bullies people who disagree with him
daring cloak
Were yall there in like 2021ish where disputed had to make an apology video for ...
No I was not involved with ror2 back then wtf lmao
full apex
I think the 3 and a half years of 5 minute rule and clover is the single best it...
god it took me ages of making and sharing math to finally convince people maybe it wasnt exactly true
analog brook
Its probably not,,,, or well it wasn't woolie to the full extend but he did double down and make a video parodying it
peak jacinth
It's good but it was commonly considered the single best item in te game which i...
I think a lot of people in the community treat everything as either amazing or horrible and nothing in between
analog brook
I think a lot of people in the community treat everything as either amazing or h...
CIUGH COUGH GEARBOX AND DLC COUGH COUGH
peak jacinth
like a lot of people say half or over half of the reds are just trash, and that’s not really true, a lot are just decent
full apex
also yea clover is great largely for proc chains, but a meathook in some cases will be stronger. clover isnt magic, it adds depth to chains. without initial width the depth is less impactful
daring cloak
I think a lot of people in the community treat everything as either amazing or h...
A lot of the people here also cant seem to get a grasp of items having varying scenarios in which they are very useful or near useless
steady stone
all clover does by itself besides logbooks is increase your crit chance by 1%
full apex
yes, woolie consistently bullies people who disagree with him
also this pissed me off so bad that i cant watch any of his stuff anymore without feeling upset. he just irks me by existing now because of all the bullshit in the past
analog brook
god it took me ages of making and sharing math to finally convince people maybe ...
You made fire for yourself and had to wait years for other people to discover fire for themselves like in the stone age
peak jacinth
A lot of the people here also cant seem to get a grasp of items having varying s...
that too
analog brook
also this pissed me off so bad that i cant watch any of his stuff anymore withou...
I probably shouldn't bring this up because it's bad but have you seen what he said recently about the devs
peak jacinth
all clover does by itself besides logbooks is increase your crit chance by 1%
aspect drop chance too!!
full apex
nope! nothing lmao
i just dont keep up with much ror2 social media anymore to begin with. the subreddit was incredibly frustrating and boring too
daring cloak
From the things ive heard about roreddit I am not even gonna accept its existence and just pretend like its not there
full apex
You made fire for yourself and had to wait years for other people to discover fi...
also yea fr, it was funny when i talked with woolie about this stuff, gave my reasonings, he cut off his video to not include any of it, and started using the same arguments but backwards to support 5 minute rule for new learning players even though they dont work well in reverse hahaha
peak jacinth
also this pissed me off so bad that i cant watch any of his stuff anymore withou...
yea the whole spafnar blight situation was really unfortunate too
steady stone
aspect drop chance too!!
that's a downside
analog brook
also yea fr, it was funny when i talked with woolie about this stuff, gave my re...
WWWAAAIITTT ARE YOU THE SAME CHARLIE THAT WAS IN THE PODCAST SORTS THING WITH WOOLIE AND STRIKER PERSON WHO LEFT THE RISK OF RAIN COMMIUNITY A WHILE AGO
full apex
idk if spaf still does stuff but he pushed striker out of the community. like he privated all his ror2 stuff and silently left the lab server entirely
just didnt want anything to do with the ror community anymore to the point of not even saying goodbye or anything at all to everyone from it
analog brook
What's up with spafnar never heard of them
peak jacinth
idk if spaf still does stuff but he pushed striker out of the community. like he...
spaf was bullied out of the community by woolies fan base pretty much
full apex
they were fairly big in the community and started making lil vids about stuff, especially common misconceptions. they were genuinely interested in being right when sharing content, even if it meant changing views when presented with stuff. theyd ask me for help with things all the time to map stuff out so they understood it better
i think spaf and woolie somehow interacting with striker in the middle is what made him break down over ror2. he was already becoming distant from it and probably felt the drama wasnt worth it anymore
peak jacinth
What's up with spafnar never heard of them
he made a video saying how blight isn’t actually a trash skill and used data to support his arguments and woolie made a response video saying that he was wrong and coined the “ror2 is not a spreadsheet” line then was basically bullying spafnar. Woolie even got disputed on the video to say “yea I argued against woolie in the past and I was wrong so you’re wrong too”
full apex
classic
daring cloak
That caught me off guard
full apex
he made a video saying how blight isn’t actually a trash skill and used data to ...
yea he pulled up my multi page spreadsheet with lots of expectation, misunderstood one thing and threw it away and dismissed it in his vid saying like 'lol this is all you need to know to see its garbage'
which was very frustrating
peak jacinth
yea
analog brook
they were fairly big in the community and started making lil vids about stuff, e...
Yikes. Looking at their videos it definitely makes me think of the stuff I really really wanna do but just am too insecure to branch out to. So much stuff I wanna document and publicize but I just despise my voice too much
full apex
essentially its a sheet tracking monster hp values at different times to show when poison is actually outperforming blight, because even if it is using % hp if its not using a lot more, then it can be beaten out by blight. like if poison % hp is equivalent to 200% base damage, its barely better than 3 stacks of blight dps-wise.
the sheet had sections for different amounts of blight stacks based on how many can be easily maintained with differnt builds, like 3, 5, 10 or smth i forget. there was a section at the top showing where poison would be if it didnt have a 100% base damage minimum, just because its interesting. its not useful at all in game, because poison has a min. it even has a disclaimer noting poison will always outperform at 1 stack each, which he read out loud and dismissed the 3 other pages of data and first page of info on how the sheet works haha
analog brook
That must sting like hell, sorry to hear
It sucks that he's the loudest voice in the commiunity and pretty much has the ability to convince most casual or just normal players of the game with zero hesitation
full apex
it was incredibly frustrating because the entire comments and his fans took it as a reason to dismiss all math because 'ror2 is too complicated to be mapped out'
it felt like a huge attack on me and the lab server personally, because we work very very very hard to make sure things are accurate or at least as close as theoretically possible yakno
but its all in the past now. im not as active in ror2 discussion channel, i dont use the reddit anymore, i dont really get ror2 youtube, but i hang out with the good friends i made through this community and hang out here in game questions and im happy with that
we've kinda gone off the rails a lil bit lmao, but yea. lots of stuff has happened over the years!
analog brook
Hell yea that's an awesome conclusion,know this is off topic but genuinely love to hear it since I have issues with moving on like that
How long have you been following this game for?
full apex
since launch!
i managed to not hear much about the dev before it was released, but as soon as it dropped in early access i was all in.
it feels crazy to have almost 900 hours in just the game not counting sheets and programming, because early on the time just flew by haha
rapid current
it feels crazy to have almost 900 hours in just the game not counting sheets and...
i saw a guy who had more than 5 k hours on fortinite
analog brook
I like to imagine they were really bad at it still
frigid glen
whats a fun legendary item to get with mul-t im just doing achivements and i got one from the big chest
steady stone
with full crit
assuming nailgun that is
too
is good
is alright too, really just proc ones
trim narwhal
all clover does by itself besides logbooks is increase your crit chance by 1%
not even 1% isnt it
steady stone
not even 1% isnt it
i think it would round in our displays to 2%, but in the code yeah it would be slightly less
steady stone
it's only 5 seconds here lol it's not that bad
trim narwhal
it is extremely painful
steady stone
allows me to convey my messages in multiple messages unlike discussion
trim narwhal
every timei see the timer i lose a limb i think
onyx coral
It was pretty gnarly though short story shorter he called them a slur
Shocker!
tis was the r slur wasnt it lmao
Like im not a huge fan of the dlc currently after a month of playing it
But like. Insulting the devs directly sure is something
brazen briar
Does strides of heresy gaf about void explosions or nah
hasty acorn
Does backup magazine benefit seekers soul spiral ??
I can't tell if it's actually adding another orb or not
jaunty ledge
Its preference BUT
Loader's still One-Punch-Woman
is still broken
Engi is still the bungus addict he's always been
etc etc
I don't expect base/SOTV survivors to be nerfed in the balance patch, rather only SOTS (and buffs if needed, of course)
The previous patches were also MOSTLY bugs. Don't remember if there were any nerfs included (other than Conch's)
mellow bronze
whos good post update?
the game just got harder generally. the only changes i can think at the top of my head is, stun now stacks so suppressive fire can now keep a target doing nothing for 5-6 seconds so it's a commando buff, and seeker can achieve immortality very easy with repulsions and rose bucklers and a couple of other items
also, the difficulty in general has gone up a bit because elites are now way cheaper to spawn so they are getting spammed
jaunty ledge
Also keep in mind the elite bug (?) will (hopefully) be patched in the first balance patch
Stun stacking is interesting though
willow shoal
yo why are the wandering vagrants not spawning :/
brazen briar
Are there any fixes to nothing spawning in bulwark or do I just give up
brazen briar
yo why are the wandering vagrants not spawning :/
Yooo lmao
willow shoal
LOL
brazen briar
I think my issue is more just the run being insanely long, should’ve obliterated a while ago lmao
willow shoal
they just spawn really slow
brazen briar
Yeeeah a scav spawned but it took 5 minutes pfff
willow shoal
looks cool
willow shoal
i love achievements
jaunty ledge
I’m just sitting here waiting for another to spawn 😭 bruh
Why do you need one to spawn? Reliquary?
willow shoal
Why do you need one to spawn? Reliquary?
he's doing an artifact
jaunty ledge
Ah
willow shoal
brazen briar
Why do you need one to spawn? Reliquary?
Ye I need the piece to put in the middle lmao
willow shoal
soon 🙏
brazen briar
I’m guessing for the rejuv rack unlock I’m able to regen until 3rd teleporter? Otherwise it’d be crazy hard lol
But like only regen so no heal items (obv) and no healing skills
rancid jewel
Can fire and bleed activate crit glasses
steep pilot
yo why are the wandering vagrants not spawning :/
in this economy?
haughty tapir
soon 🙏
its further than you think…
your gonna have to learn to play each character and on monsoon
willow shoal
im doing the skins first
haughty tapir
not to mention go to stage 5 a lot for artifacts
willow shoal
i have done from commando to artificer and also did voidfiend
willow shoal
not to mention go to stage 5 a lot for artifacts
12 artifacts already
haughty tapir
i have done from commando to artificer and also did voidfiend
-# i don’t recommend doing ethereal legit btw it fuckin sucks
willow shoal
i have 60 hrs
haughty tapir
tbf i dont go for them because the last few are gonna mess up my runs
willow shoal
do you have the book of the scavenger?
haughty tapir
i kinda want mythrix one
tip: use artifact of command, get a bunch of regen scrap, and print 57 leaf clovers at newt alter
57 leaf clover will reroll for logs
willow shoal
x))))))))
willow shoal
57 leaf clover will reroll for logs
OH REALLY??????
haughty tapir
yeah
willow shoal
:0000000000
haughty tapir
command is just too op, i only use it to grind achievements lol
i only have artifacts and masteries left
along with the path of the colossus skins
the masteries i have left are all for the dlc survivors too lmao XD
willow shoal
for my skins run i just go for kin command swarm and sacrifice
willow shoal
bro
haughty tapir
i find command so boring
willow shoal
i have fun let me have fun
haughty tapir
k
willow shoal
i find command so boring
idm since i jus play on every chars
haughty tapir
im just saying scrappers are so fun cuz you can end up doing a broken build that you wouldnt expect to be good on that survivor
haughty tapir
also like, im too stupid to remember to grab a variety of items
so i end up dying cuz i forgot damage reduction
plus because i tend to be scrapper smart, im just gonna spam regen scrap for free reds and than its boring
which is why i dont have damage reduction
willow shoal
ah ic
willow shoal
bro how do you do the little gray message
abstract halo
okay so i gotta come here n ask this
so wiki n a video guides says u gotta kill the false son with the hacyloen seed in my inv i have done that 2 times now n havent gotten him unlocked as a playable character am i doing something wrong
livid wedge
bro how do you do the little gray message
-# like this
brazen sluice
god ive never seen the game troll so hard with reds before. void pod (the one that lets you choose 1 of 3 items) had a happiest mask. i take syringe instead. literally the next chest i open gives me a happiest mask anyway. i get icbm stage 1 and never get a single item it works with. i then get 2 sale stars. i go to newt to ensure i dont get sirens call. red chest gives me yet another happiest mask and a warbond....ffs why
fking bullshit
trim narwhal
the soup will be nuts
lament tulip
Can the false son disable your abilities?
mellow bronze
yes
heady schooner
what's the best strat for finding overloading worms?
south egret
what's the best strat for finding overloading worms?
Mountain shrines + looping
Also playing on higher difficulties
heady schooner
Mountain shrines + looping
ty
brazen sluice
Also playing on higher difficulties
difficulty doesnt affect it
clever cedar
when im doing rejuv rack challenge what counts as healing
clever cedar
for future reference anyone trying to do the challenge literally just pick a character you can rush 3 tps on and dont interact with any items passive healing doesnt count
livid wedge
when im doing rejuv rack challenge what counts as healing
Basically anything that displays the heal as green numbers
clever cedar
I alr got it
livid wedge
Regen doesn't show up like afaik
sleek junco
Hi, I just came back to the game after a while. And Im wondering how to unlock Visions of heresay? Im playing with artifact of command.
ivory radish
to unlock all the heresy items you have to kill 15 bosses in one run
livid wedge
Hi, I just came back to the game after a while. And Im wondering how to unlock V...
is unlocked by default
sleek junco
to unlock all the heresy items you have to kill 15 bosses in one run
Thanking you!
sleek junco
<:L_VisionsOfHeresy:826682469573984276> is unlocked by default
Its locked for me
ivory radish
<:L_VisionsOfHeresy:826682469573984276> is unlocked by default
me when i peddle falsehoods
livid wedge
Game does not show it as requiring a challenge in the logbook
Oh, I am wrong, sorry
Why does it not show an unlock message in the logbook like everything else that has an unlock
Weird
sleek junco
I completely forgot about the logbook, so I checked and it does say you need to kill 15 bosses in one run to get it.
When its locked I mean
livid wedge
Yeah, but not when it's unlocked
sleek junco
I see what you mean. Other items show a lined out challenge
and 
do