Btw, **** kipkip
#ror2-game-questions
livid wedge
daring cave
On devotion artifact, whrn you hatch a new lemurian with a object, all prior lemurians get it too?
full apex
yems
full apex
and when they level up they get copies of everything, but when a lem dies that item is removed from the pool
daring cave
I was not understanding as I gave one shield anf all got shield
Oooh I see
Its quite fun
full apex
yea thats what makes it decent, if they didnt share it would be harder for them to stay relevant
twin cedar
So other than him being the only character where stacking Bison Steak is viable what should I be stacking on The false son?
daring cave
Its quite caotic but so diferent drom the rest of the game 👌👌
livid wedge
I dislike that they have a strong tendency to walk off ledges and deplete all their health
full apex
although
i just did a run and had some nice and powerful lems, but got the new stage 5 and every single one of them basically died to the lava which was absolutely soul crushing lmao
all those items gone, it was like 20 lems... in the future if im using devotion i think im gonna seer for meadows, after they all die its basically impossible for the new lems to catch up so they just end up wasting your items
livid wedge
although
i just did a run and had some nice and powerful lems, but got the new s...
Sky meadows is why I stopped using devotion. They walk off the map, go to 1 and get killed by something random
livid wedge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
twin cedar
There's been a lot of bugs tbh I don't mind the bugs they make the game more fun imo
daring cave
For me it had become a bug hunt... It takes from my enjoyment tbh
full apex
Sky meadows is why I stopped using devotion. They walk off the map, go to 1 and ...
i didnt see them walk off, but that was the loop after they all died to lava so it was probably just that they didnt exist anymore c:
lol
i had given them psg opal and echo, so i think most of the time chunks of damage basically just didnt matter. it was the lava crunching them all super fast and then 4 or 5 shotting them
echo abuse is silly
full apex
The eggs bug after tp?
also wiki says you cant use them after the tele, but i could. they looked locked, but still worked fine
probably a bug, abuse it while you can haha
twin cedar
For me it had become a bug hunt... It takes from my enjoyment tbh
Favorite Bug I've seen so far is where Boss hordes don't spawn on artifact of Kin
daring cave
Also on devotion, does items stack? If i give one a hoof and another another hoof?
full apex
yea
daring cave
Okii
full apex
they do gain stacks on level up as well, it should stack fine
daring cave
I dont get why I cannot give them void and lunnars though
full apex
but like elixir is pretty good on them, as long as the elixir lem is still alive, even if they use them up theyll all get a new one when they level
daring cave
But would be better then giving different items then
full apex
watch too
they level up when you kill a boss, any like real bosses with red health bars on the screen not stage spawned bosses late game.
brazen sluice
hey @full apex, thoughts on this comment? i was blown away when i found this out: #ror2-game-questions message
full apex
whats mean? the tubes like the snek bones thingy?
brazen sluice
yea the ones that snake up and down between the different levels that give you a speed boost when walking on them
full apex
huh i didnt know lol
brazen sluice
yea its a fun movement tech. get speed boost from them then bunny hop everywhere while looting. its also fun cuz its literally any spot with that texture that give you the speed boost
sleek token
Is there a way to guarantee that i'll be able to go to Abandoned Aqueducts?
It's day 2 since i started to try and get the REX: Dunked achievment
And i just can't get to aqueducts, it's like it's gone from the game. I went to the bazaar almost every time and i never got aqueducts
full apex
no, but you can get really good odds using the bazaar
sleek token
It's been like 30 attempts to even get to aqueducts and i just can't get it
Even with the bazaar
full apex
the seers will be a 1/3 chance (give or take theres a 5% it could be gold too), then if the first isnt aquaduct a 1/2, and if neither are you can just use none and have another 1/3
that adds up to pretty good chances, but you can still get unlucky
sleek token
Also in reality i'm like 35 attempts in because i got it 5 times and i never got a dune strider
I may be the unluckiest man alive lol
full apex
yea if you arent using the bazaar at all you're just missing 1/3 over and over haha
sleek token
It's been 35 attempts and i used the bazaar easily in 25 lol
full apex
iirc it was kinda janky too. idk if it ever got optimized but i had to do it multiple times before it finally counted for the achievment, and that was pretty common at the time
sleek token
I couldn't even get it once
Because i managed to get to aqueducts like 5 times but i still never got the dune strider, it was always beetle queen
full apex
yea they do cost the same and have the same weight, so you cant really optimize it with time or smth
brazen sluice
It's been 35 attempts and i used the bazaar easily in 25 lol
bazaar has a 2/5 chance to have it in one of the two portals (cuz they can go to any of the 3 default stages as well as both gilded coast and the next path of the colossus stage on the list), and if its not in one of those then you just gota try your 1/3 luck with either just leaving the stage or going gilded coast and then not taking the green portal
full apex
hmm did they change the gilded chance?.
brazen sluice
actually now that i think about it, i almost always see gilded coast in there first 2-3 stages
i think they might have given it higher weight
full apex
also afaik, you cant get the same stage twice (apart from gilded and ig maybe alt path i forgot about) which would make it at worst like 1/5 and 1/4 right?
which is slightly better
brazen sluice
you talking about looping? cuz good luck pushing that thing into the pool post loop without accidentally killing it first
supple crater
if i up my attack speed will the drown from void fiend tick more often ?
full apex
i think they might have given it higher weight
i was just peeking at the objects in unity explorer, and it looks like theyve added another override. so theres a 5% chance for gilded coast, a 5% chance for void stage, and if false son hasnt been defeated in the run a 10% chance for gilded coast. so two separate entires for it, it definitely got a higher chance to replace normal seers
brazen sluice
so 15% total if hes not killed yet to get gilded?
full apex
not entirely, since they dont add together they are separate rolls
although the code is a bit fnuuy, it may add up their chances, roll rng based on that, and then afterwards do a weightedselection on the 3 cards?
director code has a lot of depth
if im reading it right, it creates a smol deck with the possible overrides, while also summing their chances into one variable. and then if rng is <that, it pulls based on normal weight code. so like it would add 5+5+10, for a 20% to override, and then it would draw from the deck with 5% gilded, 10% gilded, and 5% void
so the deck part might just average out to 15%, but thats only if the override happens? im not certain.
it looks like it rolls twice instead of using the same value
i crashed my game poking around somewhere i shouldnt with the explorer :x
lol
simple coyote
what on earth are you talking about with cards and decks
full apex
director stuff. thats how its worded to make sense of it, spawn cards and such so they go into a deck when combined
cause a bunch of cards is a deck and drawing one from it just makes sense
also
halfway through visiting 100 bazaar's to log the seers 
there must be a special condition for void i dont rember?. idk
or its just disabled but still in the code
i havent gotten 2 gilded yet either, maybe i will its not exactly common, but its also possible it gets filtered out like normal stages if its selected by the first one.
whew 100 stages
if gilded is 15%, that leaves 85% so 21.25% avg for the other 4 if all is equal. they are preeeetty close to that so i think we can go with 14-15% for gilded and 21-22% for the others?
brazen sluice
void?
full apex
its in there, i dont rember what it is
either its unused or theres a condition to turn it on i dont rember. i never saw it so
rapid drift
Is there a guide (I guess) for determining ATG over Shrimp?
peak jacinth
Is there a guide (I guess) for determining ATG over Shrimp?
not really a rule, shrimp is usually just better
rapid drift
Okay.
peak jacinth
though if you aren’t very good at dodging or are playing Rex then AtG is probably better
quasi crystal
Atg is better with clovers and false son
peak jacinth
oh yea clovers too, forgot about that
rapid drift
Why False Son?
quasi crystal
False son has a 3.0 proc coefficient on his charge slam
peak jacinth
False son has a 3.0 proc coefficient on his charge slam
I guess this would make AtG better on Railgunner too
rapid drift
He really does it all (but move.)
quasi crystal
Rgs charge shot had a long cool down
peak jacinth
true
quasi crystal
Also the 3.0 charge shot has a reset period furthering the CD
peak jacinth
maybe more of a toss up 
or shrimp is just better like usual lol
quasi crystal
Id take shrimp on rg unless I get a ton of CD reduction that isn't purity
peak jacinth
why does shrimp have to be so much better :(
rapid drift
It is rarer and most of the time you have to spend 50% to get it.
Plus the shield thing.
peak jacinth
Plus the shield thing.
both of those are sort of a non-issue if you’re good at dodging
rapid drift
Yep.
quasi crystal
Shrimp is more common than clover
trim narwhal
False son has a 3.0 proc coefficient on his charge slam
at the same time he has a 0.45 coefficient on laser which favors shrimp
both are fine but well shrimp is an 'extra' stack so
quasi crystal
That's cool and all but an atg of the slam is dopamine
Shrimp isn't always an extra stack there have been many times where I find a shrimp cradle and no atgs
trim narwhal
well its still an extra stack ? 1 shrimp vs 0 atg
quasi crystal
Finding an atg is 1 atg vs 0 shrimp
trim narwhal
taking atg doesnt preclude shrimp stack later
quasi crystal
I do not get this because it's assuming you will always get 2 shrimp if you find shrimp but I digress
trim narwhal
its not?
if a shrimp appears and you avoid it, you're down 1 atg/shrimp
if you want a shrimp build but find an atg first well you still take the atg because itll become a shrimp
quasi crystal
Didn't realize we were avoiding good items now
candid kestrel
for some reason i have character mods installed that i cant equip or unlock does anyone know why
trim narwhal
if you want an atg build but find a shrimp and leave it, youre down a shrimp
realistically atg builds are going to have less stacks
if a run has 1 shrimp cradle and x atgs, the shrimp build has x+1 shrimps and the atg build has x atgs. so in game it isnt realistic to compare x shrimp to x atg performance
and if x is 0 its still true its just 1 shrimp vs 0 atg
find more than one shrimp cradle then its just y+x vs x
trim narwhal
or avoid on some selfdmg builds
rapid drift
My thoughts exactly.
trim narwhal
if its quite lategame and havent got a shrimp yet, and you find one, yea it can be mathematically worse to get a shrimp even with extra stack
but in those kind of scenarios where your procs are strong enough to make atgs outscale shrimp, youre gonna win anyways so
candid kestrel
for some reason i have character mods installed that i cant equip or unlock does anyone know why
serene vector
or avoid on some selfdmg builds
become one with transcendence
rapid drift
for some reason i have character mods installed that i cant equip or unlock does...
Goto the modding server.
rapid drift
become one with transcendence
TRANSCENDE
candid kestrel
Goto the modding server.
what modding server bruh
serene vector
for some reason i have character mods installed that i cant equip or unlock does...
some may require some form of unlock requirement, use RealerCheatUnlocks or smth like that to just force unlock them
i suppose you mean that the characters are not selectable in the character select screen
candid kestrel
some may require some form of unlock requirement, use RealerCheatUnlocks or smth...
yeah i know that
but like with character such as the house spear man and the 2 nemesis variants
they just dont give me the option to use them or unlock them
so idk man
😢
candid kestrel
i suppose you mean that the characters are not selectable in the character selec...
exactly
serene vector
exactly
if other people are having similar issues you can go to their github and see if anyone has raised similar concerns
candid kestrel
if other people are having similar issues you can go to their github and see if ...
whats a github and how would i know if other people have the problem
fickle parcel
whats a github and how would i know if other people have the problem
git hub is a hub for gits (i don't even know what it fully is ngl)
you can report bugs and stuff there
candid kestrel
ah
thanks!
019245dc-4cb4-32a1-a8f7-31e190729bd3
heres the code if anyone would want to help me fix the pack
heady schooner
Yo does anyone know if beating false son on monsoon gives mastery?
peak jacinth
Yo does anyone know if beating false son on monsoon gives mastery?
it does I believe, but you need to end the run there
I’m like 90% sure I got both bandit skins that way
rapid drift
If I go through the Green Portal in Gilded Coast that I entered with the Gold Portal from Golden Dieback (take a breath), do I still go to the Prime Meridian?
willow shoal
anyone can guide me on how to use debugtoolkit c:
trim narwhal
ctrl alt ~
willow shoal
no but i mean, like, how to use it ingame
trim narwhal
ctrl alt ~ then read the page on the modstore for instructions
rapid drift
Type what you want like a progammer.
trim narwhal
theres a lot of ways to use it youre gonna have to be more specific if you want specific advice
willow shoal
bro i have a car as a pfp im a gamor not a programor >:c
willow shoal
theres a lot of ways to use it youre gonna have to be more specific if you want ...
give items, spawn interactibles
trim narwhal
yea read the modstore for that
peak jacinth
give items, spawn interactibles
all the commands are on the thunderstore page of the mod. It’s all relatively straightforward
willow shoal
oke i'll go there, tanks
peak jacinth
for example giving a item is give_item PaulsGoatHoof 1
trim narwhal
if you try give_item or spawn_interactable then youll have autocomplete as well
rapid drift
if you try give_item or spawn_interactable then youll have autocomplete as well
I have never used the toolkit myself, but that seems very intuitive.
It tickles my brain.
peak jacinth
yea though some of the autofills aren’t always exactly what you think they’d give like spawning as a certain character or spawning specific interactables
willow shoal
it seems so fun tbf
trim narwhal
try time_scale lol
willow shoal
i cant find the thingy to spawn shrine of the mountain
idk how its called in the console :/
trim narwhal
try help or list_interactable if thats a thing
full apex
idk how its called in the console :/
interactables are all isc, then most have some patterns like iscchest1 and iscchest2, iscshrinex where x is like blood or restack, i think iscbrokendronex has most drones? if you type iscbroken they should come up. thats most of the stuff you commonly use. oh iscscrapper, iscduplicator, iscduplicatorlarge, iscduplicatormilitary, and iscduplicatorwild are the printers. for items dbtk has really good autocomplete since a lot of items have different internal names from like logbook names but both should work, and if you type something incomplete it will take the first result so like give_item syr works because syringe
next_stage is probably the worst since most of the internal stage names are weird
theyve added a lot of list commands tho so when in doubt try like list_interactables or list_ai
sometimes stages are called scenes too.
btw, stages arent the only things you can go to with set_scene, you can like go to the options menu or logbook and stuff too since those are technically scenes lol
useless but very funny
hasty acorn
Are scrappers guaranteed spawns on any maps or stages
left trellis
there's a spot on Verdant Falls that is either a large chest or a scrapper, but it's not guaranteed to be either one
otherwise, no
flint idol
for MAAO runs why do ppl rec bands? dont they hurt you?
subtle cairn
all of my progress got deleted when i opened the game is there anything i can do reverse that
i had a fucked up file and couldnt open the game restarted my pc and it was gone
quasi crystal
does antler shield even reduce damage it reflects
full apex
i had a fucked up file and couldnt open the game restarted my pc and it was gone
save edit or use unlock mods, if the profile is actually gone or corrupted theres not a ton you can do
full apex
does antler shield even reduce damage it reflects
no
quasi crystal
What are the monsters flying in distant roost
full apex
What are the monsters flying in distant roost
weird bird thing
they dont really do anything
quasi crystal
Yeah I wanted a name but I found the lore thanks anyway
quasi crystal
I've killed them before lol
When I was new I thought they were an enemy you'd find late game
full apex
birdshark maybe?
yes
theyre classed as fauna lol
(accurate)
these are the only other fauna apparently
quasi crystal
The treeborn colony fruits and vulture eggs damn
serene vector
treeborn colony got fruits?
quasi crystal
Yeah you shoot them and get hp
lament tulip
I was just doing the false son boss fight and suddenly on the third stage I didn't have any of my abilities?
mortal basalt
what are those 2 balls in the logbook
ripe wadi
what are those 2 balls in the logbook
I’ve been wondering that too I wonder if it’s something not in the game yet or maybe a placeholder till the next update
mortal basalt
its pearls and you cant only get them from sacrificing a lunar item while not having artifact of command active
white oak
yeah you need to cleanse a lunar with the cleansing pool
chrome mist
is atg or plasma shrimp better for artificer?
steady stone
is atg or plasma shrimp better for artificer?
I'd think ATG any day, since her attack speed isn't that great. Her R can do huge damage to then quadruple off of ATG. Remember fire and DoT doesn't proc anything, including plimp.
peak jacinth
is atg or plasma shrimp better for artificer?
plasma shrimp is almost always better if you’re good at dodging and don’t have a clover. It’s simply a lot more damage on average
this goes for every survivor, except maybe False Son and definitely REX
ornate gust
Duality of man
peak jacinth
Duality of man
yea I kinda felt bad just saying the exact opposite but it’s true
rancid kindle
if you have any big damage attacks ATG is usually better, and I'd say always keep ATG if you have at least 2 because their damage scales waayyyy faster
wicked epoch
plasma shrimp is almost always better if you’re good at dodging and don’t have a...
Does just one clover make AtG better? Or does it take 2+?
west idol
Does just one clover make AtG better? Or does it take 2+?
I think if you have even one clover atg outranks plasma shrimp bc of proc chains
livid wedge
Depends on your proc coef but 1 is usually sufficient
peak jacinth
if you have any big damage attacks ATG is usually better, and I'd say always kee...
this isn’t exactly true. You can basically think of AtG and shrimp as straight dps buffs (you can also think about many other items this way) and in that way each AtG is basically just going to be a 30% dps buff whereas each shrimp is going to be a 40% dps buff when you have shield. Since you always have +1 stack of shrimp it’s usually just straight better
yea if you have big attacks AtG will do more damage than shrimp, but you only get those big attack procs 1/10th of the time so it evens out
peak jacinth
Does just one clover make AtG better? Or does it take 2+?
technically 2+ are needed to make the damage higher, but I’d say 1 evens it out cuz you don’t have to worry about saving shield
also yea like cuboid mentioned you get other benefits by having an AtG with clover, so I’d always take AtG at 1 clover
quasi crystal
What survivor compliments acrid in duo? As in not much overlap in item real estate and covering his weaknesses, friend wants to try our acrid for the first time and I wanna just play without backseating
peak jacinth
What, 1 clover and one atg is more dps than one shrimp
you can’t compare 1 shrimp to 1 atg since there’s never a scenario where you dont have 1 additional stack of shrimp
peak jacinth
Where you find a shrimp first
then you have 0 AtGs lol
livid wedge
If I have a clover, I will pass shrimp until I can get atg
peak jacinth
and if you skip the shrimp and pick up an atg later you wouldve had 2 shrimp vs 1 atg
peak jacinth
If I have a clover, I will pass shrimp until I can get atg
me too! but that’s like an entirely different scenario lol
livid wedge
But thats not the same as saying 1 shrimp is better than 1 atg and clover
peak jacinth
But thats not the same as saying 1 shrimp is better than 1 atg and clover
yes, and I’m not saying that
Im saying 2 shrimp is more dps than 1 atg and clover
livid wedge
yes, and I’m not saying that
peak jacinth
but I still think 1 atg and clover is better regardless
peak jacinth
yea that’s comparing 2 shrimp vs 1 atg and clover
livid wedge
Ahh, using ambiguity
peak jacinth
no? whenever I compare 1 AtG to shrimp I compare it to 2 shrimp… that’s just how it works in game
livid wedge
The person was referring to clover, not atg
peak jacinth
The person was referring to clover, not atg
yea so was I
you technically need 2 clovers with 1 AtG to make it have higher dps than 2 shrimps
livid wedge
No, you weren't
livid wedge
You keep changing between referring to the atg/shrimp and clover whenever I bring up the other
peak jacinth
technically 2+ [CLOVERS] are needed to make the damage [OF 1 ATG] higher [THAN 2 SHRIMP]
peak jacinth
You keep changing between referring to the atg/shrimp and clover whenever I brin...
nah bro you’re just not making any sense
peak jacinth
yea it is idk why you even brought it up
if you had a problem with my clarity just say that
pretty sure the other guy will get it
livid wedge
I agree. I don't know why you chose to be ambiguous
peak jacinth
technically 2+ [CLOVERS] are needed to make the damage [OF 1 ATG] higher [THAN 2...
this is a very obvious and clear way to interpret that statement
i’m not sure why you’d assume to interpret it in another way
livid wedge
It is and mine was just as valid
Hence why it could be confusing to another
Your interpretation is valir
wicked epoch
What do you mean you can't get Shrimp without getting an AtG?
You don't already need to have an AtG to pick up a Shrimp
peak jacinth
and they’re asking like a normal person instead of being rude
peak jacinth
What do you mean you can't get Shrimp without getting an AtG?
it’s not that you can’t get shrimp without an atg it’s that shrimp is always +1 stack
livid wedge
I wasn't. I was just trying to show how it could be confusing
I'm sorry if it came off as rude
peak jacinth
0 AtG 1 shrimp
1 AtG 2 shrimp
wicked epoch
it’s not that you can’t get shrimp without an atg it’s that shrimp is always +1 ...
If the Shrimp is the first item you found, no it won't. It can just be 1x Shrimp, not 2x
peak jacinth
If the Shrimp is the first item you found, no it won't. It can just be 1x Shrimp...
yea it’s 1 more stack tho since you have no AtGs
wicked epoch
0 + 1 = 1, yeah
peak jacinth
…yes
wicked epoch
I wasn't sure where you were getting the "more" from, more than what?
peak jacinth
it’s kind of confusing when you get to 0 and 1 stack but it’s still the same theory
livid wedge
But maruke is saying that any given stage where you find your first shrimp, your total number of shrimp will be 1 + the number of atgs you have or find on the stage
Always
peak jacinth
you’ll never have a choice between taking 1 atg or 1 shrimp
peak jacinth
But maruke is saying that any given stage where you find your first shrimp, your...
yes, this is a better way to explain it
livid wedge
And so the total dps will always be greater even if you have clover. You need to find more atgs in later stages for the clover to be better
With the missile item of choice
wicked epoch
And also not accounting for Shrimp combining crazy well with Polylute as well
livid wedge
Unless you have 2+ cloverw
wicked epoch
Which also benefits from clover
livid wedge
The game is an enigma
peak jacinth
well AtG arguably benefits more because of the 1.0 proc coefficient on it
livid wedge
Proc chains make dopamine go brrrrrrrr
peak jacinth
vs the 0.2 on shrimp
wicked epoch
Depends on your attack speed I guess
peak jacinth
which is why AtG is probably still better with 1 clover like I said
livid wedge
Shrimp gets better as proc coef lowers, though
peak jacinth
Shrimp gets better as proc coef lowers, though
this is also very true
quasi crystal
Shrimp purity
peak jacinth
MULT double nail loves shrimp
peak jacinth
lol same brain
wicked epoch
Oh is that not a 1 coeff?
livid wedge
.6 I think
wicked epoch
Huh.
peak jacinth
0.7, but close
wicked epoch
Is Strafe the same or higher?
livid wedge
0.6 is huntress then
peak jacinth
strafe is 1
livid wedge
Strafe is 1, flurry is 0.6
livid wedge
Yes, but atg proc less per bullet and each bullet will typically have a smaller total damage with atg
Shrimp better for both
peak jacinth
slower fire rate tho, I think it’s probably about even
wicked epoch
I could see it being even if you don't crit
But if you do, doubling the projectile count seems too big a gap to close
peak jacinth
oh yea if you crit it’s more
i forget if total damage items benefit from crit damage
peak jacinth
well it depends when it’s applied
livid wedge
Like 26% crit the damage starts being better than strafe
Proc difference is a bit higher
peak jacinth
yea I remember we had a chart for it a while back
livid wedge
The wiki has it, I'm just too lazy to check
peak jacinth
oh lol
wiki says 26% flurry is better in procs per second and 16% it’s better in damage
livid wedge
Oh damn, really?
livid wedge
I feel like they need to be rebalanced a bit more, to make them more unique
peak jacinth
because of lower damage per shot
ripe wadi
Does taking soldiers syringe actually work in Rex?
I was playing earlier and it didn’t seem like the syringes did anything
Like I was shooting faster but it didn’t help
trim narwhal
i dont play rex much but
dont you cancel m1 endlag with m2
until u get a bunch of syringes it probably doesnt do much
and then m2 spam is bulk of ur dps anyways so
helpful when hp low and ur just only using m1 i guess
haughty tapir
Like I was shooting faster but it didn’t help
yeah you just need more, and eventually you fire faster… thats what syringe does
thats how it helps
the m1 doesnt have a cooldown right?
even if it does most m1 cooldowns scale with atk speed
ornate gust
Rex's m1 scales with attack speed
steady stone
Yeah it works well with tonic now
steady stone
But yeah normally you don't actually notice the effect of one syringe at a time
If you use commands to give yourself 500 you'll see the difference easily
haughty tapir
If you use commands to give yourself 500 you'll see the difference easily
no shit but who plays command.
printers are where its at
even 3-5 can be enough
steady stone
no shit but who plays command.
printers are where its at
No, as in console commands
haughty tapir
oh
steady stone
Like to see the effect on rex M1 with syringes
haughty tapir
lol, im dumb
mortal basalt
does anyone know a fix to the crash where the tiny window pops up and it says something with unity
haughty tapir
or just get 3-5 and you will see it indeed attacks faster
steady stone
does anyone know a fix to the crash where the tiny window pops up and it says so...
That's just it crashing I think. I don't think it ever recovers, I AFKd for 10-15 mins and it never loaded once.
haughty tapir
me when i play railgunner and i get 5 mochas and 3 syringes
steady stone
That's just it crashing I think. I don't think it ever recovers, I AFKd for 10-1...
If you're playing modded you can get ProperSave. Saves a lot of runs.
haughty tapir
me when i play railgunner and i get 5 mochas and 3 syringes
trust me its the optimal build for them
steady stone
Proc and attack speed on rg M1 is unironically a fire build
mortal basalt
If you're playing modded you can get ProperSave. Saves a lot of runs.
yh i use it but my game crashed like twice on the same stage so i had to do it all over again
wicked epoch
How much attack speed does it take to just fill the entire reload bar?
so when you unscope, the timing of your click just doesn't matter anymore
haughty tapir
Proc and attack speed on rg M1 is unironically a fire build
omgosh somebody gets it.
railgunner is just better commando with that build
steady stone
How much attack speed does it take to just fill the entire reload bar?
Oh god he's summoning charmlie
The math function graphs are coming 
haughty tapir
How much attack speed does it take to just fill the entire reload bar?
idk but i want to
steady stone
No but if you catch charmlie here later, they probably have an equation or program
haughty tapir
No but if you catch charmlie here later, they probably have an equation or progr...
im geussing charmlie is the math person? lol
mortal basalt
what is the easiest method to kill a elite boss on monsoon mode
steady stone
im geussing charmlie is the math person? lol
One of the mods here, they work on the wiki a lot
haughty tapir
One of the mods here, they work on the wiki a lot
👍
haughty tapir
what is the easiest method to kill a elite boss on monsoon mode
im not gonna lie, just focus on dodging
steady stone
what is the easiest method to kill a elite boss on monsoon mode
Depends. Like if you're merc against a flying boss just slam it to insta kill
haughty tapir
if you need an elite boss, shrines of the mountain, or looping
steady stone
Depends. Like if you're merc against a flying boss just slam it to insta kill
For beetle queens diablo is best
mortal basalt
im using the artifact of honor so i can get elite boss on first stage
haughty tapir
hear me out, just play loader, railgunner, or artificer
mortal basalt
diablo?
haughty tapir
use command to get a bunch of crowbars, and old guillotines
haughty tapir
bold of you to assume he has that
wicked epoch
use command to get a bunch of crowbars, and old guillotines
I mean if you're going Command you can just find an equipment chest and grab 
haughty tapir
I mean if you're going Command you can just find an equipment chest and grab <:E...
true
mortal basalt
bold of you to assume he has that
yh
haughty tapir
I mean if you're going Command you can just find an equipment chest and grab <:E...
he must not have dlc
wicked epoch
at that point the only gamble is whether an equipment chest spawns
90% of the time it should
haughty tapir
just reload until one does
wicked epoch
lol
mortal basalt
who should i use
haughty tapir
loader
mortal basalt
alrighty
haughty tapir
and get via 
mortal basalt
yh
steady stone
who should i use
wicked epoch
You're sending them into that channel?
steady stone
If you do this against a vagrant stage one you can complete it under a minute
mortal basalt
https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/943509112258428958/1281789455459...
its a question isnt it
steady stone
You're sending them into *that* channel?
A link to one of my messages since discord upload limit changed
wicked epoch
Yeah but it's in the discussion channel
The path you're sending them on can only lead to death
steady stone
It's a clip of the merc slam so I don't write an essay
trim narwhal
merc slams dont work on current patch, needs a mod to revert physics
haughty tapir
It's a clip of the merc slam so I don't write an essay
write it now or i will learn it and write one
steady stone
Trimping though surely?
trim narwhal
part of the same changes that made potrolling uphill sisyphean
mortal basalt
is merc slam the other special
steady stone
is merc slam the other special
Merc slam is an (apparently patched) tech where you dash into enemy to slam them into the ground to instantly kill them
steady stone
merc slams dont work on current patch, needs a mod to revert physics
Trimping isn't fixed is it?
wicked epoch
no Trimping is an old tech
steady stone
But also if you can't slam anymore I would just recommend diablo
wicked epoch
long before the chaos of DLC2
steady stone
no Trimping is an old tech
So is slam though
trim narwhal
trimping just makes u take fall dmg sometimes now
steady stone
I will remove my merc role later 😠
haughty tapir
why sometimes
how is it only sometimes
trim narwhal
this mod reverts the physics changes https://thunderstore.io/package/Thrayonlosa/KCCDownpatcher/
wicked epoch
but if you're trimping on Merc you have a number of options to cancel out fall damage approximately equal to Yes
steady stone
Taking fatal damage used to be a bug only when you hit your head and it was rare, sad to hear they killed my boy
trim canopy
Always hit mountain shrines, either you are strong enough and it's double loot or you die to the boss anyway
maiden root
Where do halcyon shrines spawn
jaunty zinc
u take the dmg on the trimp, not the fall after lol
this never happened and was only if you hit your head on something (because it was an improper trimp)
lusty python
how do i get false son easy
mortal basalt
who took my prismatic trails
mortal basalt
how do i get false son easy
use newt on every stage and try to dream for the gold world thing
hoary sedge
Where do halcyon shrines spawn
i don't know the exact spawn rates but they're by far the most common on stage 1 of each loop, and I've seen them occasionally on stage 5
full apex
who took my prismatic trails
mods?
steady stone
Prismatic trials are unavailable on modded games due to the leaderboard
Charmlie beat me there because my data is slow
full apex
hehehe, too speedy
while also being 20 minutes late lol
steady stone
Yeah I just go here in my free time, about to go home lol
full apex
same tbh
steady stone
Oh some guy was asking about syringes on rex to cancel the end lag earlier btw, I thought you would have a function for it if anyone
full apex
how do you mean? like on the m1?
attack speed should scale the whole thing uniformly methinks
steady stone
Yeah, he asked how many to cancel the lag like with boop
full apex
hmmm
well you can cancel it whenever with skills right? boop has a cooldown so
with m2 tho its ez to cancel it
i think more attack speed should just make the cancel less relevant
steady stone
How much attack speed does it take to just fill the entire reload bar?
Oh I'm remembering it wrong, this was the original
full apex
ooo railer
steady stone
I was talking about rex animation canceling earlier
full apex
im not actually sure how the scaling for that works but i can try some stuff out
steady stone
I would assume it works like tougher times if anything
With the scaling
But ik you're the one here about the hyper specific stuff lol, I answer a lot of tech and basic questions
Especially since I haven't seen Fax in a long time, now that I think about it
steady stone
Not a single actual number lol
full apex
yea theyre probably set in a prefab
last mason
does anyone know approx how much damage chef's burn does? not the actual sear application but the burn effect it puts on
steady stone
So definitely hyperbolic or something similar
full apex
here are some points in it
steady stone
Probably a million or billion for complete lol
hoary sedge
isn't there a thing where it's hardcoded to never fill the first third of the bar or did I make that up
full apex
theres a delay
steady stone
does anyone know approx how much damage chef's burn does? not the actual sear ap...
It's just normal burn, but glazed enemies take 75% more damage.
According to the wiki
Let me go to the burn wiki page for the stats
last mason
right but honestly i feel like its way shorter than like a gas burn
or like barely does anything compared to other ignite things
full apex
i think most burns nowadays are total?
im not sure after they changed burn its weird
last mason
this is all ive been able to find
steady stone
Burn just says it does "a percent damage over time"
full apex
burns dont just have a damage and duration nowadays, they get combined into one total expected damage output, and if individual ticks are larger than a certain % of the targets hp then it increases the duration instead of damage per tick
steady stone
So I'd assume 1% per tick per stack?
full apex
there used to be two types of burns, i think they were combined
last mason
some burns list how much it does like gas doing 150% or blazing affix doing 50%
steady stone
Gasoline does like triple damage from base burn I think.
full apex
ah this is uploadable. im still analyzing it but have a peek if you want
last mason
okay i see
full apex
hmm i should increase my damage its probably rounding
i think these might have lined up?.
6 damage per tick, if we divide by 5 because i thin burns tick 5/s, then 1.2 round up would be 2. and with 4 burns, 4.8 rounds to 5
last mason
alright so it ticks for a little less than 50% or so
full apex
maybe, im mapping out the hits rn
the damage being low means there is likely round up, so the normal 50% total should be applying i think
last mason
alright i see
full apex
the total dealt % of base was ~875%, its listed at 600%. so if it was 50% total we'd expect 900, pretty close
lol, his movement skill is called roly poly
last mason
awhh so silly
full apex
oh i just realized i still had syringes lmao
candid kestrel
fr
full apex
weird ,it only ticks for 4 now but seems to tick more times. interesting
still cant maintain >11 burns at a time tho
full apex
i think it messes with the DoT controller
glacial knoll
give yourself 500 syringes and see it do 2 ticks
the duration of it seems definitely wrong it's meant to do 600% damage from the entity state config
full apex
its like 5 or 6 haha
it totally does
ive noticed but hadnt tested, if you have bleeds when the burn ends your bleeds instantly end too
glacial knoll
probably entirely unrelated but attacks that apply burn (arti as example) apply Collapse at like, too short or smth
something is very not right anymore
full apex
check this out. i apply bleeds, use sear, and before it ends use roll to apply a 100% coeff bleed which should reset them all. yet, when the burns drop by 1 stack, the bleeds all disappear
last mason
that is really strange
full apex
yea idk why that happens but its annoying
flat ember
Exactly how much more tanky are gilded enemies than normal ones?
glacial knoll
I wonder if it's just straight up the game couldn't do the math quickly enough or something absurd
glacial knoll
Exactly how much more tanky are gilded enemies than normal ones?
They have 6x health instead of 4x of normal tier 1 elites or 3x of mending elites
Their bubble gives them at least 60 armor + a lot more if they have a lot of gold or on later stages where they spawn with more gold
full apex
yea it fucks over your teammates too
if anyone is doing bleed, chef sear will ruin their stacks
tacit summit
is Sonorous Whispers affected by luck
flat ember
They have 6x health instead of 4x of normal tier 1 elites or 3x of mending elite...
Thank you 🙏
full apex
yea
full apex
They have 6x health instead of 4x of normal tier 1 elites or 3x of mending elite...
also yea its 60 + 10% money so quite a lot especially later on
glacial knoll
a burn ands and eats all bleeds how strange
Can you try Arti burns ending also maybe doing it
full apex
i am rn, it looks like maybe but im gonna try the turret strat again its harder with just arti
yea burns must just be fucked rn.
as long as new ones are being applied, its fine. but when you stop, bleeds break
LOL
i figured, but it ruins needletick! hahaha
because it cuts short, tick cant proc its too slow
glacial knoll
I assume it's setting the bleed to the burn duration
full apex
acrid gets cut short
it is just the DoT controller, anything thats a DoT is getting deleted
glacial knoll
is there a report for this yet
full apex
poison too. this is really rough for poison because it has a 10s base duration
and im using gasoline, which now seems like it might be worth avoiding if you use any DoT effects
probably last thing, dont wanna spam clips too hard. but heres bleed+poison, so its not any DoT ending kills all DoTs, just burns.
would work the same?
full apex
its a debuff not a DoT, so it shouldnt be affected theoretically
steady stone
i just skimmed
full apex
this is also a point in the camp for not using artis fire moves...
steady stone
this is also a point in the camp for not using artis fire moves...
another point in the argument
full apex
flamethrower might still be worth it because of how strong it is, but being able to choose to not rek ur DoTs with m1 could be a second bonus on top of the aoe
fnuuy
the fact that it can kill collapse before it finishes is sadge... BUT consolation is that if the burn is initialized with enough damage to tick for >3s, collapse should be ok
honestly as much as i dont erally like tick, that could be a motivation for it over bleed too.... because if you use any fire stuff your bleed stacking will be hurt
steady stone
"lfg e8, kicking all chef players for disadvantages"
this needs reported bad though
like high priority lol
glacial knoll
I do wonder what is actually broken with it
glacial knoll
LunarRuin is a DoT
full apex
i wonder if helfire is technically a burn and is broke too.. i already closed the game tho so i wont test it rn
full apex
LunarRuin is a DoT
it is?? i wonder if implementing it caused that somehow
it is cleansable, do the geode pillars cleanse everything? or just ruin
either way its technically a change to the controller so idk
glacial knoll
I can't imagine it'd use something that isn't the default cleanse function
Just adding another DoT entry surely wouldn't break durations of multiple dots interacting tho
full apex
it could be trying to specifically remove only ruin tho idk
though no idea why that would break burns only
glacial knoll
I'd need to take a closer look at like the DoTController with UnityEngine to get a better idea
but Gearbox can also figure it out themselves I imagine
steady stone
yea burns must just be fucked rn.
wait burn applies bleed?
with the attack speed buff i think arti is like the best character now
full apex
flame has always had a proc coeff
glacial knoll
Flamethrower always had a proc of 1
full apex
part of what makes it quite powerful
steady stone
that wasn't flamethrower though was it? that was just m1
full apex
flamethrower procs a lot, on top of good damage and inf piercing, +burn dps, which is why its sooo much stronger than surge
though now it seems the burns might be causing some... jankery
glacial knoll
Both are in that video but yeah things that are tagged as IgniteOnHit still roll for bleed of course
I don't think you can Ignite twice in one hit anymore if you ever could
steady stone
i always assumed you couldnt, 0 proc chance
glacial knoll
Flamethrower is great they wouldn't ever make it that bad
What proc does sear have again
full apex
60%
steady stone
not flamethrower, m1
in the clip it was just arti clicking for 25 stacks
oh wait, you have an engineer turret spawned in
i assumed it was just more burn jank not the artineer
full apex
i assumed it was just more burn jank not the artineer
easiest way to guarantee bleed stacking while applying a burn
steady stone
lol i get it, but from the first POV when the sentry wasnt in frame it looked like burn ticks were bleeding
mortal basalt
chat whats the mest method to stay at 100%hp on prismatic trails with merc
steady stone
less health more damage, sometimes the trails have it on
mortal basalt
sometimes?
steady stone
the trails change every few days and they're all set seed from there
mortal basalt
ah
steady stone
#prismatic-trials has Cabbage who posts guides for every single trial
he's gotten the achievement for, like, every seed
he's garden fresh
but current prismatic trial is always pinned (after tilted hat is pinged about a new one)
mortal basalt
bro is cracked. holy shi
sick geyser
is there like a guides/build section somewhere on this server? I just cant get a good run with void fiend...
steady stone
for viend, avoid having a lot of auto healing, and go for proc
balance your corruption forms into aggro and balanced, one stays back and one is a burst of constant dps
lusty python
whats a good stage to fight false son fast to unlock the new skins?
sick geyser
for viend, avoid having a lot of auto healing, and go for proc
proc is stuff like gasoline and ukulele? in general things that apply smth on hit?
steady stone
gasoline isnt on hit bit yeah
sick geyser
oh true its on death
steady stone
etc
i think polylute excels personally, same is true on huntress
but healing gets rid of corruption meter so if you auto heal at a bad time it can really mess you up
critical hits, on the other hand, gain corruption meter
full crit and using your beam can give you like unlimited corruption actually
might need some attack speed or plimp though
but the heal is like your best tool
if you're underpowered against mithrix stay mostly normal mode and have full heals stocked up
go into corrupt when you know it's good
also any void items raise the minimum cap of corruption by 2
so at 50 items you're always corrupt
sick geyser
mh okay ic
mortal basalt
i hate prismatic trials bro
sick geyser
btw does passive healing count as healing aswell for the corruption?
or 
for example
sick geyser
ic okay, thanks for the help!
mortal basalt
5th
steady stone
if it's happening regularly validate files and make sure drivers are up to date, typical pc health things
mortal basalt
moon, prime meridian, voidling and obliderate
steady stone
but that just happens on excessive load
the first time it happened to me was a long loop with guaranteed happiest mask (70 clovers)
mortal basalt
i have tried about everything in the tech support channels pins
how do u validate the files
steady stone
steam > right click on game > properties iirc
installed files > validate files
if anything is funky or missing it will add it
basically combs through everything
"verify integrity of game files"
steady stone
if the problem was with files hopefully
but who knows what gearbox magic there is
maybe those 2 files were like "filethatinstantlybreaksyourgame" and "twistedelitedamageincrease"
steady stone
i'm not ignoring you btw, I just know like nothing about sots
i stopped playing after devotion really
full apex
yea i feel it varies, i havent fought him thaaat many times so idk
if i had a better answer i'd give one, ive killed him right away on stage 4 on good runs, like my engi one i just went straight there. but ive also had times where going straight there is instant death, especially in multiplayer
most recently i got an FMP soulbound gesture chronic build, and thats just a turbo win con. so you could try going for something like that, or using command to force it.
chronic is pretty bad normally, not very impressive. but with enough FMP uptime to never drop the combo, even just 1 stack becomes absurdly powerful. like equivalent of 4-8 shaped glass stacks in bonus damage is not hard to get
tacit summit
.
if you have the mobility to beable to keep distance from his dashes and deal dmg the st4 otherwise loop until you get said mobility, he's kinda like mithrix, gettting hit sends you flying, but if you can run away he cant hit you
silver shadow
a defeat the boss that drops the halcyon seed and no green portal show up !
i want to unlock the fucking false son
full apex
what stage are you on?
i dont hink it shows up if theres no valid next stage in the alt path so if next is stage 5 it probably doesnt work?
rancid jewel
this tri tip dagger soup just stole all of my reds at commencement when i had 8 white scrap, why did it do that?
trim narwhal
a soup that makes whites, takes reds
silver shadow
i dont hink it shows up if theres no valid next stage in the alt path so if next...
i was on 5
found the portal at 4
full apex
this tri tip dagger soup just stole all of my reds at commencement when i had 8 ...
the cost x item color will match the rarity it takes
full apex
found the portal at 4
if you entered from s4, the next it would try to generate is 5, and theres no alt 5
rancid jewel
the cost x item color will match the rarity it takes
I don't get it, I still had white scraps and it didn't take them
full apex
yes becase it costs 1 red
cauldrons are always transmutations between rarities. green items take white, red items take green, and white items take red
printers are always same
the red -> white cauldrons are mostly there to remove red items that would be useless against the final boss, and give something in return which is a few white items
full apex
yea it sounds like it kinda memed you a little bit haha
hopefully the white items were good at least! lol
rancid jewel
Yeah because I had hammer and behemoth 😭
silver shadow
it's kinda fucked up tryina unlock the false son
it's kinda rare to the golden altar to show up
hoary sedge
its easier to get to gilded coast with the lunar bazaar seers
left trellis
my recommendation is to restart until you see the message about thunder in chat on stage 1
and just see if you can beat him from that route
hoary sedge
that doesnt really help with the survivor unlock though, you need halcyon seed
left trellis
it's still not totally unlikely
if you get another halcyon beacon during the route, that will always spawn gold
full apex
i second bazaar peeking. newts arent too expensive and as long as false son hasnt been beaten yet in the run, theres an extra 10% chance roll added to the normal 5% to replace a lunar seer with gilded
silver shadow
never found it on bazaar but thanks to the tip
full apex
i did 100 of them and got this
hoary sedge
also if you get it in a stage 1 or 2 bazaar you get a green portal out of coast
maybe also stage 3 but i dont remember ever going to meridian from coast
full apex
ill see if i can try it really quick shouldnt be too hard
full apex
maybe also stage 3 but i dont remember ever going to meridian from coast
works
newt on 3 -> bazaar -> gilded -> meridian is what i did
honestly just kinda knowing efficient ways to move around is mostly what you can do... which comes with experience
like trying to path around the stage in 1 loop with little backtracking if possible. bigger and newer maps are harder
like which kind?
like void fields or smth?
oh the green portals?
yea thats the alternate path, which leads to the new boss. i still dont know the best path around some of those maps
i dont really know if theres any major reason to go there if you dont intend to go to the new boss on s4
i havent looked at the director yet to see if they spawn more loot on avg or something, but it doesnt feel too different at least
yea the alt path isnt really hidden realms though
theyre just a different set of normal stages
something like gilded coast is basically still just free items, or the artifact place
yea youll just have to get back into it haha
yea everything basically thats not moon aligned teleporter loops
artifact, bazaar, gold portal, etc
the artifact portal is only on stage 5, which always loops to the stage 1 pool
its stage 6 but its looped
theres not really a way to escape the stage set i dont think
like the new stages, from the green portal, are still a 2/3/4 thing so like if you are on the stage 2 and go back to the normal stages it will be from the stage 3 pool
probably best you can do is hit the command artifact zone and loop haha. lets you tailor a few key items but then back to normal gameplay
i actually really like to do that, feels pretty nice and not too busted. compared to like visiting sacrifice and game braking lol
if you installed debug toolkit, you could give anything really with console commands. no reason it has to be super crazy or anything, you could choose to just give 1 specific item when you clear a stage
can also choose to start with some items if you really wanna force a specific archetype, but then the rest of the run will be normal
like wanting to try out breaking chronic expansion with gesture/soulbound/forgive me please, which is a bit of a niche set of items (but ultimately the only way that item is useful lmao)
bitter mural
currently on a loader run and i got frost relic with recycler, do i recycle? i would imagine it'd be pretty good on a melee character
full apex
frelic is pretty good
it has solid dps if you can maintain it, the main thing is if you are getting value out of it
like do you think youll be in range of enemies? or mostly swinging around, and quickly piercing through them
like if you grapple to enemies and m1 them it will probably be pretty solid
bitter mural
probably in range yea cause im really bad at playing safely 😭
full apex
id try it out personally, i do like that item
if theres not a different red you reeally want, might as well give it a shot
then youll know if you like it on loader forever haha
azure arrow
for the loader: swing by challenge, it's in-game time and not real time right?
raw aspen
Why do I randomly taking insane amounts of damage late game and instantly die from normal enemies
quasi crystal
Remember Frost relic is goated on forgive me please
quasi crystal
If it does it'd block one tick then allow the rest so it's useless
quiet robin
Is this new?
steady stone
the stage? yeah
i think it's one of the ones that only appears in a loop
loop variants
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Viscous_Falls
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Golden_Dieback
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Disturbed_Impact
frigid glen
what acrid move builds do you guy feel is most fun? i honestly got no clue what to use for either his regular and alt skills
hoary sedge
full default is definitely the most viable
the hyper aggressive melee kit with blight and alt m2 can be fun but it's a bit harder to execute and way less consistent
and frenzied leap just kinda stinks
trim narwhal
there are specific builds and stuff where other loadouts can outperform
but in dangerous situations in poorer runs, aka when loadout matters the most, then default loadout is the strongest
frigid glen
alright thanks
full apex
the hyper aggressive melee kit with blight and alt m2 can be fun but it's a bit ...
i find this to be my most enjoyed playstyle
aggressive is def more consistent, the question is moreso do you want stacking and item synergy for blight or ignoring your passive and just letting it do wahtever with poison
but yea frenzied leap sucks haha, its a funny idea but just doesnt work well
frigid glen
why is frenzied bad?
serene vector
frenzied leap is nice for grouped enemies, scales really well into late game
maybe im biased since i take blight and full melee acrid xd
frigid glen
why blight and not poison? i heard poison is better loop runs and blight non-loop
serene vector
poison doesnt help u kill pests, blight will :d
mellow bronze
#ror2-feedback-and-ideas message @bronze palm it doesn't work. also that place isn't the right chat to ask for stuff
mellow bronze
why is frenzied bad?
you lose a ton of amazingfree movement that the default one has for less cooldown and extra stack
bronze palm
https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/559901472339525644/1290880128293...
Sorry. Also it would be great if it did work. Pair that with a ton of syringes. Damn.
mellow bronze
acrid has one of the best dodging and mobility skills in the game so if you switch the utility you will be nerfing that aspect of him
mellow bronze
i alwasy thought frenzied was more useful in groups since the high dmg
it is made for that yeah
mellow bronze
poison doesnt help u kill pests, blight will :d
you can just spit in this case. acrid has enough mobility to go away any time he wants and keep spitting at a distance
bronze palm
I’m trying to come up with a good build that uses a crap ton of rockets and explosives. Any ideas?
mellow bronze
engineer with harpoons (alt utility)
serene vector
you can just spit in this case. acrid has enough mobility to go away any time he...
i hate spit since there isnt any heal unlike bite, which is horrible in eclipse when you're short on money and slappin blood shrines
but its preference of course
we all got our own ways of playin our lil acid boi
mellow bronze
well... you could not get hit which spit helps with that with the range
also it's not a great idea to hit blood shrines on e8
relying in healing on eclipse is also not a great choice but respect for not using meta loadout
serene vector
its needed sadly, often i find roll of pennies or hit blood shrines cause halycon shrines exist now
mellow bronze
you could complete them after tp when you get a lot of money and there are no enemies spawning anymore
serene vector
you need at least like 90 gold to ensure tier 2 halyconite at least
thats my measure after e8'ing all the new characters
and for some reason last tier needs like 100+ gold or smth its insane
mellow bronze
so its like 250 gold roughly?
serene vector
i wish there was a mod to like, check the gold on the shrine
i think so yeah, along with a bit of RNG on your side, since they can spawn either 2-3 golems
full apex
i alwasy thought frenzied was more useful in groups since the high dmg
honestly the damage difference isnt that big
its 320 vs 550, but pool also ticks 25, if you have blight it adds another 320, and it has a shorter CD so use more
the main thing is dps in groups but its just not enough, and not consistent enough
it has bigger band than m1, and it used to basically be the most consistent band proc, but now that the m1 cancel continues the combo you just band with m1
mellow bronze
alt acrid wants to try to specialize in stuff that default acrid already does well and fails at doing so in a less effective way than default by sacrificing versatility in playstyle. poison just supports your others sources of damage better, spit does less damage than bite but if you want to play melee acrid you can just animation cancel and use spit to support it because it doesn't interrupt the m1, meanwhile bite does, so spit on melee is also probably a higher DPS plus the range. and as you explained frenzied leap is not really worth it
blight is only better if you have instant cooldowns which is too much of a requirement
full apex
blight is stronger than people think especially early on, im a very strong advocate. though with elites being overly frequent right now, its usefulness is a bit down
for spit vs bite, the cancel is actually totally fine, you use it to cancel your m1 combo not interrupt it
its not a problem, and the big aoe, higher damage, slayer, and healing, are insanely useful. honestly, theres not a ton of reasons to run spit, though if you take poison you probably want it to actually kill flying stuff consistently idk
bite is just so much more damage that even if it did interrupt your combo completely its probably worth it... like its between 1.3 and almost 4x as much damage, even ignoring the aoe
i like both but yea idk
mellow bronze
yeah i agree with everything you said except the part of not needing spit a lot but it's alright
full apex
i mean ur gonna be using it off CD
spit is preferred on light flux just because it does something, though both m2s are basically useless there haha
mellow bronze
what acrid move builds do you guy feel is most fun? i honestly got no clue what ...
in conclusion meta acrid is just running poison and blight is indeed powerful just not as poison. and if you know how to play the game you can win with anything you pick anyway thats what matters. even if frenzied is "bad" it's not something that will get you killed
serene vector
so long as u know how ur tools work u can make anythin work
mellow bronze
yeah
full apex
yea it just slows you down for almost no gain lol
im not sure what would make frenzied feel better
tbh i wonder how it would feel with the same base CD and -1 instead of -2
running poison does give it an incentive because poisons reapps are useless, so it applying the passive is basically irrelevant without blight
zinc terrace
frenzied does proc bands at least...
full apex
yea just m1 is good enough
serene vector
furiously spamming sprint to hit moar
quasi crystal
What is the best partner for acrid in duo
ornate gust
I once played acrid + rex duo and it was weirdly fun
lusty python
i havent fought false son yet but does his laser attack hit multiple times or just two or three times
glad flare
yo uh
damn i cant paste a screenshot
in the second stage i found some cave that lead to some weird skelly thing that i shot and it exploded and idk whats going on rn
in like the sort of swampy stage
quasi crystal
It's an Easter egg doing it will unlock an item
glad flare
oh ok
hey also i found some equipment called her biting embrace
and it doesnt do anything when i use it :/
whats up with that?
glacial knoll
it's an elite equipment, the same elite enemies have. Doesn't give you stats but you get the other benefits of that elite
Ice elite equipment is basically just a chronobaubel tho not a good one
gray wraith
Does anyone know if the "damage number" you see from lost seer's lenses is actually applied against whatever monster's health pool they trigger on, or if it's just a cover for some instadeath flag being tripped?
glacial knoll
it's just for decoration. They get nullified like a void implosion
glad flare
it's an elite equipment, the same elite enemies have. Doesn't give you stats bu...
oh ok
signal thunder
yo i havent opened ror2 in like a moth, did they fix the stage log issue?
cloud jacinth
So, just started playing and had a ton of already. Even bought the void dlc.
I also wanted to buy the seekers of the storm dlc as well, but I heard that it breaks a lot of things... So I wonder if they fixed the issues about the dlc yet?
left trellis
the DLC doesn't break anything, it was the DLC launch patch that caused issues. those issues have since been fixed
cloud jacinth
Ah alright that's good to know, welp purchasing the dlc soon.
silk bobcat
im on stage 5 there is a gold portal would it make a loop or go to the moon?
left trellis
loop
hoary sedge
yeah anything that's not the primordial teleporter makes you loop
glad flare
wait how can you loop without any other portls?
ive heard on the wiki you need to tilt the teleporter somehow but idk how
uncut wadi
damn i cant paste a screenshot
Get a character role so you can post them btw
glad flare
oh ok thanks
daring cloak
ive heard on the wiki you need to tilt the teleporter somehow but idk how
Thats the primary way to do it but using any other portals also loops you no matter the state of the teleporter
glad flare
yeah ik but how do yo tilt the portal
do you interact with it after you beat the grandparent or what
elfin zodiac
have there been any updates in the past like 3 weeks?
livid wedge
You can't
Once the tp has been activated, you can't change it's state
You can still technically go through the artifact portal if you want to loop, though
daring cloak
Interact with the parts that stick out of the ground in a circle around the middle
If theyre lined up in a circle the tp takes you to the moon and if theyre stacked to 2 bundles (somewhat like how the normal tp fangs look) the tp will loop you
analog brook
do you interact with it after you beat the grandparent or what
You can only do it before starting the teleporter but yea what wertus said
glad flare
Interact with the parts that stick out of the ground in a circle around the midd...
ok thanks a lot :D
glacial knoll
You will loop if you use anything else tho so if you forgot to change it you could go through a portal to loop anyways
signal thunder
yo i havent opened ror2 in like a moth, did they fix the stage log issue?
glad flare
btw there is this thing where i need to defeat the sirens call guardian or something
whos the guardian in question?
how do i fight him?
daring cloak
There are eggs on sirens call
Break as many eggs as you can find until something happens
supple bluff
whats the code for artifact of command?
ornate gust
whats the code for artifact of command?
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All of the codes except for the latest ones are in the wiki btw
supple bluff
ok thx
ornate gust
Pre devotion update
supple bluff
what do i do after i put it in?
ornate gust
Click the laptop
supple bluff
ok
ornate gust
Then big red portal appears
ornate gust
Nah just gotta get lucky with the key drops
supple bluff
ok
daring cloak
And endure
supple bluff
im using the hunter i think its called is that bad or good?
ornate gust
Huntress i assume
supple bluff
shotgun dude
ornate gust
Oh, bandit
supple bluff
i forgott the name
daring cloak
So either bandit or the captain
supple bluff
bandit
ornate gust
Hes good
supple bluff
ok
ornate gust
Use his shift to get away from enemies if they overwhelm u can it makes u invisible for a short while, and his R ability can refresh your cooldowns if u get a kill with it
ornate gust
Every hit he does from the back of enemies deal critical damage so be sure to use the shift and get behind enemies and spam his shotgun
Does mega damage
supple bluff
ok
ornate gust
how do i dmg the boss thing?
Pick up the yellow artifact key in the middle, and interact with the middle thing, the reliquary
And then enemies will start spawning
supple bluff
ok
ornate gust
Then the key will randomly drop from an enemy u kill and u do that same thing until its dead
U can pick up multiple keys but as soon as u insert one key all existing keys will disappear and you'll have to pick up a new one that spawns again
supple bluff
ok
clever cedar
For rex challenge it doesn't have to healed damage right? Like if I use a forbidden fruit and would get 1k but I'm full hp I get it?
mortal basalt
what are some goated artifacts that dont bully you
livid wedge
For rex challenge it doesn't have to healed damage right? Like if I use a forbid...
Yes
As long as the green heal number is 1000 or more
ornate gust
For rex challenge it doesn't have to healed damage right? Like if I use a forbid...
I accidentally got it with a power elixir lol
supple bluff
why are some of the things locked when i use the command artifact
daring cloak
Because you have to unlock them first
Command only lets you choose an item you theoretically couldve gotten without it
And you cant get locked items
prisma sonnet
does anyone knows if the chance dolls works with clover?
supple bluff
And you cant get locked items
can the locked items be dlc items?
peak jacinth
does anyone knows if the chance dolls works with clover?
I don’t think so. Chance doll replaces the chances to get items with other chances, so Id assume that wouldn’t be affected by luck
peak jacinth
what are some goated artifacts that dont bully you
all of the fun artifacts make the game harder lol. Kin + Dissonance is pretty fun imo. Spite in general is also very fun imo (can get laggy tho)
glacial knoll
Chance Doll rolls for luck
mellow bronze
What is the best partner for acrid in duo
anything really. a character with another debuff sounds cool because you can use death mark easier
acrid is very item independent in general so anything else will be good as a duo
wicked epoch
I suppose the best thing to think about then is trying to pick someone who tends to want very different items than Acrid then?
So you can always go "oh if you don't want that, I'll have it" and you minimise cases of fighting over it
steady stone
Acrid is good with, like, everything though
mellow bronze
acrid does not overlap much with any other items other characters need
wicked epoch
Just give him gas and ignition tanks, he a happy boi
steady stone
Like his best items are pretty much never "insanely good" like 
mellow bronze
watch and ap rounds are cool to boost poison damage
steady stone
Isn't gas bad on acrid because of that new flame bug now?
mellow bronze
and since he has one of the best mobility and dodge in the game you can just not get hit by jumping away
mellow bronze
Isn't gas bad on acrid because of that new flame bug now?
i have no idea what that is
mellow bronze
oooooh that's what causing bleed to reset
steady stone
It resets things like bleed and needle tick so I would assume poison too
Although gas is more for the impact damage I guess, so still alright
wicked epoch
That and just finishing off 1hp enemies that otherwise wouldn't die to poison alone
glacial knoll
when blight or poison itself ends it also deletes all dots so acrids just kinda like this for now
steady stone
Sweaty E8 lobbies gonna ban chef and acrid
Throwing their games
But honestly this bumps them both down a lot in the power tier lists
vestal radish
Sweaty E8 lobbies gonna ban chef and acrid
You find E8 lobbies?
and someone actually joins them?
mellow bronze
i actually do
analog brook
When fire ends so do other DOTs
Every day since sots the more I find out about this version the worse it gets
wise bane
So what's still broken on the pc version?
mellow bronze
So what's still broken on the pc version?
oh man........
elites are being spammed, if one DOT ends then all DOT ends in the enemy, loot pool is not spawning correctly with sotv and sots
some invisible hitboxes for enemy attacks, enemies ignore ground sometimes and phase through
audio not working properly, UI not working properly sometimes, stun now stacks
that's it i think
daring cloak
Wdym stun stacks
mellow bronze
stun stacks duration
if you stun an enemy 6 times with suppressive fire with each shot he now does nothing for 6 seconds
and it only goes up with more attack speed and stun grenades
full apex
oh man........
elites are being spammed, if one DOT ends then all DOT ends in th...
its only burn
bleed wont end poison or anything, its just burns end everything
daring cloak
if you stun an enemy 6 times with suppressive fire with each shot he now does no...
Thats kinda busted
full apex
yea burns will end those
glacial knoll
full apex
but like bleeds shouldnt
glacial knoll
burns and blights and poisons end all dots when ended I did more testing on it
and a bug report
mellow bronze
yeah
full apex
is it just those 3?.. so just bleed is fine then?
oh i c "This also does mean it affects Poison and Blight because they use BurnEffectController for their Visuals too
So does would also remove all Bleeds, Collapse and everything when removed"
thats wild lmao
glacial knoll
bleeds/collapse use smth else for visuals that doesn't cancel other stuff
full apex
hemorrhage probably fine then? and would helfire be broke too?
also im curious, if lunar ruin is a DoT if it gets ended by burns
daring cloak
Lunar ruin is a dot?
full apex
apparently lol. dunno why, but i guess it is
pure bison
with the bandits hemorrhage when i apply another stack does it refresh the duration of all stacks, like if it had 1 stack and it was about to run out and I apply a 2nd is it 15 seconds till the 2 stacks run out or after a few seconds will it go down to 1 stack and then eventually 0
full apex
it resets
daring cloak
I noticed it did deal some quite pathetic damage but I assumed that was from the regen decrease
mellow bronze
Lunar ruin is a dot?
yes. mithrix can cleanse it
full apex
hemorrhage resets hemorrhage and bleed resets bleed
pure bison
ooh that makes the challenge wayy easier
daring cloak
yes. mithrix can cleanse it
But he can cleanse any debuffs
pure bison
thanks
mellow bronze
wait
full apex
the biggest issue of 20 hemorrhage is that things tend to die before you can stack that high lol
pure bison
yeah i got pretty late game but i thought i needed to apply them all within 15 seconds, if they applying a stack refreshes the duration its way more do able
glacial knoll
Burns
StrongBurns
Helfire
Poison
Blight
full apex
wtf lunar ruin is just a DoT like not a DoT in name only, its just a shitty DoT hahahaha
glacial knoll
They all destroy the DotController when they end
daring cloak
wtf lunar ruin is just a DoT like not a DoT in name only, its just a shitty DoT ...
But like is this really dot or just the regen debuff
daring cloak
You know why it counts twice?
glacial knoll
The lunar ruin buff is tagged as a debuff, it shouldn't be
Since it's both a DoT and a Debuff it gets counted twice
daring cloak
Bruh