ror2-game-questions

[ornate gust]

I read your msg wrong, you meant aspect

[steady stone]

gold over time, more gold = more armor

[ornate gust]

Thats cool

[fading shard]

yeah i saw that on the wiki too, but for some reason i am losing gold when i deal damage to enemies

that was my confusion

[primal quartz]

odd

[steady stone]

On hit you should gain gold it says. Hmm.

Did you have and got hit?

[fading shard]

no, i had no lunars

and it says you gain gold upon taking damage, not dealing damage

maybe it's a bug then

[ornate gust]

Most likely bug

[steady stone]

hmm

either a bug or just undocumented

[ornate gust]

I can try and test it

It says u gain gold on hit too

[steady stone]

Apparently radiant elites steal money and give it back when they die so maybe something like that but for all enemies?

[ornate gust]

Radiant?

[fading shard]

oh oh i see this now true

[primal quartz]

gilded?

[steady stone]

yeah the post i was reading called them radiant

"Become an aspect of radiance."

[ornate gust]

Ohhhh

[steady stone]

the description

[ornate gust]

Thats why lol

[primal quartz]

why do I hear hollow knight music

[ornate gust]

Ahhhhh

[steady stone]

I don't think a vagrant would give you 1000 coins on death would it? on stage 4? i feel like it's doing the effect for all

[ornate gust]

I figured out

[primal quartz]

?

[ornate gust]

So when u have the aspect, it basically stores the gold inside the enemy you hit and you get the amount of gold back once it dies

[steady stone]

Yeah I thought so

[primal quartz]

interesting

[steady stone]

that's what the normal elites do anyway

[fading shard]

so when you have the shield up, it's as if every enemy is gilded and steals gold?

[steady stone]

yeah im not making a wiki.gg account to change it though

[steady stone]

presumably yeah

[fading shard]

rough lol

thank you all for your help

[ornate gust]

When u have the shield up every hit you take gains u gold

[steady stone]

the vagrant gave you like 1.5k on death

which is probably all the money it took back to you

[fading shard]

true

so in the grand scheme not a big deal

but like maybe if i was trying to buy a chest that second it would have been detrimental lol

[ornate gust]

Yep

[steady stone]

Luckily engi should be fine with it though, since sentries have their own gold stash.

[ornate gust]

They exclusively use that money to buy bungus

[steady stone]

most observable on

[fading shard]

delicious bungus

[steady stone]

I think charmlie edits the wiki. I'll just leave this here so they can catch up or something if they pop in.

[full apex]

i literally just got out of the shower lmao

what up?

[ornate gust]

About gilded aspect

[steady stone]

some gilded aspect effects not on the wiki

observable here, all enemies act as if gilded by taking your money and giving it back on death

with the aspect that is

[ornate gust]

So gain gold on hit is technically true, it just gains you gold in a different way

[steady stone]

well i think it's gain gold when YOU get hit

[ornate gust]

Nono the first line

[full apex]

this is on wiki

[steady stone]

don't we use wiki.gg as our official?

[full apex]

i noticed attacks take gold but return it in a gold orb (like brittle effect)

[steady stone]

i've been trying to avoid the fandom because of this lol
https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Aurelionite's_Blessing

[full apex]

idk how to edit the gg ive only used this one. this is the wiki harb and chinchi edit as well so usually we are chatting about some stuff

yea likely it was copied over when they migrated some stuff, but doesnt have the updates from Chinchi and I's testing

[ornate gust]

Just this button and u can edit the whole page

[steady stone]

Ah, I'm sure it'll get updated eventually

[steady stone]

Yeah but it's "sign up to edit" and i dont have a wiki.gg

[full apex]

i probably gotta make an acc, i already have a fandom one specifically to edit ror2 lmao

idk whos in charge of it either

[ornate gust]

Ah yeah it is an account

The fandom one is kinda abandoned anyway

Yeah the .gg one is kinda empty on this subject

[full apex]

the content could probably be copied from fandom to update it.

also its pretty regularly updated, chinchi is still going through every item from the DLC one by one, testing them out, and comprehensively updating the wiki pages

[ornate gust]

Thass good thass good

[steady stone]

doin good work lol

[full apex]

i dont think they are in this server, but they are in my lab server and the wiki server

[ornate gust]

Doin da lords work

[full apex]

maybe at some point i'll make a gg account and port some of the stuff we put on fandom

ive heard the gg is nicer, im just so used to fandom at this point... and its got better SEO unfortunately lmao

[steady stone]

Yeah i trust fandom for all the old stuff but so much is edited by trolls in terms of new content

[full apex]

yea we've cracked down on stuff recently. we set up a bot in the wiki server that logs every change and ive been watching it really closely, troll or junk edits have been getting removed and troll accs banned pretty quickly

but it did take the DLC mega troll fest event to finally set up something that allowed easy tracking like that haha

[steady stone]

I knew fandom would be accurate eventually but I thought i'd stick to GG for the start

Now that i think about it, it's already been a month...

[full apex]

yea fin is one of the pages chinchi recently got to and looks like this
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Knockback_Fin?so=search

gg is still incredibly empty

fandom is too much info to capture in one screenshot lol

i dont mind it on pc but i do notice that without an ad blocker on mobile fandom is irritating as hell to use

[steady stone]

one day people will stop using fandom

[full apex]

i think we need someone who seriously digs into the content like we've been doing in the lab server to update gg. chinchi has been hitting fandom hard, so i guess if i feel up to it at some point i could start copying that stuff over so the parity is good haha

im not sure who else is interested in doing it. i dont edit fandom super often but even just trickling it in over time is better than nothing

it just takes a lot of time the first time, since theres a ton of datamining and testing that goes into fully dissecting an item

copying should be easier

[steady stone]

I visit the wiki a lot, being a resident #ror2-game-questions lurker, but I don't think I could add that much in particular

just maybe correct a bit of stuff here and there maybe

but yeah you guys are doing all the big stuff with the code and all that

[vapid swan]

If you become heretic and then pool away all your lunars, can metamorphosis turn you back into another survivor?

[ornate gust]

Ive done a few minor edits here and there but thats more for grammar and clarity changes

[full apex]

good question! i think yes actually

[steady stone]

Theoretically? I would assume yes

[full apex]

iirc when you meta you change char and instantly re-tranform, but i havent tried

i dont really ever use meta haha

[steady stone]

I'd think it turns you into someone else and then it reads the heresy items you swap back

but heretic is also very strange

the heretic code gets a bit quirky at night

[full apex]

get prayer beads, stack up buffs, pool a heresy item, meta into a different survivor, cash in prayer beads as someone with positive regen, get the lunar again and transfer the positive regen to heretic

[vapid swan]

Yea I’ve only done a few runs where I have gone for heretic, so I’m a little clueless on that end

Accidentally picked up egocentrism though (again) so I’m tempted to just grab a ton of lunars and pool them all

[rancid jewel]

Is commandos grenade better than his other R ability? I wouldn't know because I'm actively trying to get his grenade

[full apex]

pretty much

harder to use tho

[steady stone]

I'd personally say it is yeah

there's a lot of debate though because one is point and click and one is geometry lol

but grenades can reliably proc bands and such

[rancid jewel]

Ahh, I see

[full apex]

i was talking about it here a bit a while back

grenade has so much potential, that it can end up outperforming even if you only get decent value out of it

[steady stone]

also if you use cooldowns well you dont lose damage like on the base, since you can shoot while the grenade is going

just throw both nades at a boss and you get a huge burst of damage without the animation time

[full apex]

i mention there but an easy thing to forget is that grenade anim is very short, and unless you cancel the endlag on suppressive fire it has less DPS than m1, and typically the same or close to the same for a while. so the time you spend shooting suppressive, could have been a short nade lob with big aoe and burst potential followed by m1 with similar dps

actually i dont think it ever has less nowadays i think its the same base and more if you cancel

[steady stone]

the proc chance on suppress isn't even better is it?

[full apex]

no each shot is identical to m1

it fires 6 shots, over 1s of animation, the same as m1. the difference is that its frontloaded, and the number of shots increases with attack speed and fills the endlag out over time

[vapid swan]

Think we are going to get an answer here shortly. I just grabbed strides by accident and I’m railgunner, so I’m kinda cooked either way

[full apex]

i think you fire 1 shot every 0.1s with supp base, so if you perfectly cancel the endlag with your m1 you get 6 shots in 0.6s instead of 1s

[vapid swan]

Also, does damage have an actual cap before it just either overflows or does nothing? I’ve got 72 shaped glass and if it exists I’m guessing I’m nearing it

[full apex]

it does have a 9s CD tho which is pretty long and nade is only 5

[full apex]

128 is how many stacks for glass to round your hp to 0 and kill you

[steady stone]

damage doesn't have a realistic cap but it has a display cap

[vapid swan]

Did not know that, noted.

[full apex]

i dont think ive seen damage wrap over but i havent messed around with silly damage scaling in a while

[vapid swan]

I’m very far past the display cap

[steady stone]

the healthbars will overflow to -2.4billion because of the int limit but the health values will work fine

just a display issue

[vapid swan]

Running a fmp with chronos build, the display cap is long gone lol

[full apex]

btw an exceptionally unrealistic, but possible and hilarious thing to do is getting 128 stacks, split between multiple players in multi. like 64 on each of 2 players.

when mithrix steals them, it will combine to 128 and he'll die lmao

[steady stone]

all that to mimic a fraction of ...

[full apex]

the p4 skip is pretty silly too

[vapid swan]

That’s kinda hilarious and I now really wanna try it

I highly doubt I could convince any of my friends to take on the task tho, they all hate eulogy zero with a passion

[steady stone]

you take 127, ask your friend to take 1 glass

loop until requirements are met

[vapid swan]

They scream at me for taking it, it ain’t that simple lol

[steady stone]

i mean you dont need eulogy if you loop long enough, it would just take a looong time

[hushed slate]

with shatterspleen is tri-tip dagger just useless

[full apex]

im p sure its frame perfect, which is why kjaros works so well. kjaros isnt a ticking hitbox like most aoe stuff, its a consistent hitbox that tries to deal damage every frame but puts specific enemies on CD so to speak after damage them. so it will hit anything the exact frame it enters the radius

[vapid swan]

I’m on console, we ain’t that rich

[steady stone]

with 100% crit yes

[hushed slate]

if im running full crit uh build

[full apex]

Mu;T saw works the same way

[steady stone]

only one stack can be applied per hit

[hushed slate]

oo awesome

[steady stone]

so go all out with needletick

[full apex]

basically yes

scrap tritip or take tick yea

in the past it double applied and was awesome but they removed it

[steady stone]

a lot was broken back then though

double nailgun sticky bomb for example

was due for balancing changes

[vapid swan]

Anyone know the health display cap? Like how high it has to be before displaying -/-?

[steady stone]

I believe it just overflows

The first case of it I saw was AwU going to -2.4billion

[vapid swan]

It caps at some point

[steady stone]

If the player has something differen't I'd be unaware

[vapid swan]

Like here lol

Had to find that

[full apex]

I could maybe try it in a bit

[steady stone]

I don't think anybody else has had this

nothing on google

10 hour run is not something most people can do lol

[full apex]

Blow drying my hair rn

[vapid swan]

Someone must have, maybe just weren’t as loud about it

[vapid swan]

Fair bit of it was afk tbf

[steady stone]

I stopped at like 6 hours out of boredom lol. Can't imagine more + your pc not exploding

[vapid swan]

Build was benthic, so there just wasn’t a ton going on on screen

[full apex]

That or crash because molten perf is too powerful lol

[vapid swan]

Think I was also scrapping anything that lagged too bad

[full apex]

How many seconds is 10 hours

[vapid swan]

36000

[steady stone]

36000

[full apex]

Thats not very many

Interesting

[steady stone]

source trust me bro

[full apex]

I guess stage exponential mult was doing work on the difficulty coefficient

[steady stone]

google has never lied

[vapid swan]

Is scavenger bag the only thing unaffected by eulogy zero?

[steady stone]

Probably?

TP items are, leg chests, normal chests, tri shops, printers...

I think halycon seed is too?

[full apex]

after adding stage mult

lol

[steady stone]

2874123 levels so if i take...

[full apex]

this is part of why full looting is good lmao. granted this is the most extreme possible example but you get the idea

exponents are fucked

[steady stone]

1000 (+300 per level)

[full apex]

also thats uncapped, in game its capped

but mith, AWU, Aureli, etc have special scaling that keeps going

also 18969231.71 from a pot is hilarious

[steady stone]

862,237,900 hp? that doesnt seem right.

[full apex]

no it would cap at lvl 99, and the special scaling mult would be doing the hard work

[steady stone]

weird. I assumed the wiki formula would work tbh, and the levels would just be theoretical or sum

[full apex]

oh is there a full formuler somewhere?

[steady stone]

this is there

they have something similar for all enemies

[full apex]

levels are just (typically, DLC added some stuff that disobeys this) 30% hp per

[vapid swan]

For mithrix?

In my pic he had like 11t health at minimum

[full apex]

thats why its 110+33 for mando and 1k+300 for mith(?)

im assuming

[steady stone]

i have to include the stance in the pic

[full apex]

so at most youd have 30,400 in theory

[vapid swan]

Very odd

[full apex]

and then it would get fed into special scaling

p4 has way less health tho iirc?

[steady stone]

also the health stat is probably unaltered and just the base

[steady stone]

1400 (+420 per level)

[full apex]

oh its more

fnuuy

[steady stone]

he doesnt have adaptive armor i think though?

[vapid swan]

Even when the health was displayable mithrix had 2 trillion,

It was also first phase that that pic was from

[steady stone]

i dont really know the advanced formula for the calcs though.

god there's so many words on the mithrix page

[full apex]

alright this is basically no time passed

scaling mult is 1.46 for hp

[vapid swan]

Damnit, my current run just hit directory overflow 😔

[steady stone]

Huh? is it rounded or something? 1300*1.46 = 1898

[full apex]

heres 10 hour

mult is very close to 50

[steady stone]

the wiki health formulas do not seem very helpful rn

[full apex]

when they changed how the ambient level works they made it scale live, so you dont see enemies just having distinct levels all the time but can have like half levels sometimes

[steady stone]

stage probably has a huge thing though. I've had overflows at like 5-6 hours

[steady stone]

interesting

[full apex]

yea i bumped stages a lot and am noclipping up now

[steady stone]

it was always demoralizing during the really hard runs to see him level up live and gain a few thousand health lol

[full apex]

LOL

yea his hp display is fucked

[steady stone]

yeah thats normal though

[full apex]

hp mult from special scaling is 186305x

[steady stone]

that happens pretty soon on awu and voidling too, it's just the Integer Limit

[full apex]

yea

[steady stone]

the dash is what i would find weird

could we like mimic the exact stage and time of the clip?

[full apex]

yes its no problem

hold on

ill start over

how many seconds is 529 mins?

[steady stone]

so you dont have to scroll

[full apex]

while i set the rest up

[vapid swan]

His health displays at 2t here, I guess health limit is different for console..? Or maybe it was different prior to sots?

[steady stone]

31740

+12

[steady stone]

I think you just got the current health low enough to display, but not the max.

All the numbers work fine in concept, but the displays get all messed up

[full apex]

i cheated and pulled the pic up on my phone lol

its wrapped

i suspect we dont get -/- maybe?.. on pc.

[steady stone]

probably like old xbox jank

[full apex]

mult is 329777

what mult would we need t obarely not hit the limit

[steady stone]

mult of what base health?

[full apex]

if we assume 30,400 base from lvl 99 it would be the 2 trillion or whatever divided by that?

yea

ill try fiddling randomly and see if i can get the mult close to that with different time/stage combos

[steady stone]

oh right, 30,400 because it's 2-99

not 30700

[full apex]

i kinda hungerin tho and wanna make a sammich

i just did this

98 +1 for base

[steady stone]

dividing int limit by health number is 70,640.909...

[full apex]

i will return after i have sandwiched

70,641 got it

[steady stone]

so like 70,640 to get slightly under

[full apex]

Tru

Thats better

[vapid swan]

fuck yeah

They finally bumped up the limit on damage dealt

[full apex]

ok i have acquired a sandwich i am happy gorl time to mithrix

i should really go find the code for special scaling but im lazy

i lied, i literally do this every time i decide im too lazy to do something and then immediately do it

lucky me i already made a diff coeff calc for pot damage lmao. i can just add this to it

ok 2,145,537,664

[trim narwhal]

they removed special scaling for p4

as well

[full apex]

+1 stage increased from 70,577 to 70,708 and its wrapped

i think it just wraps on pc and behaves slightly differently on console

[gray spade]

For bandit: how much value i lose with light's out instead of desperado?

[full apex]

depends, his cooldowns are already quite short and not being able to easily scales LOs damage makes it fall off a bit in utility

on the other hand, desperado is very very powerful early on and can remain powerful for quite a while if you pay attention to trying to last hit when you get to later stages

both work fine since bandit is very powerful but imo the potential gap can be pretty big

[vapid swan]

Yeah it still displays up to 2.? Trillion on Xbox. Odd little difference.

Just fought voidling and even after sots his health displayed at 1.9t

[full apex]

probably just a difference in how it displays numbers that are too large

2.1t ish is the int limit so around there it should break

[vapid swan]

Yeah that’s about when it started displaying in that mithrix fight

[full apex]

at least for numbers that support being negative, but thats whats used the most. if its unsigned it can be twice as large

[vapid swan]

Anyone know what this is? Don’t remember it being there before this run

[steady stone]

glitch that will probably go away when you restart

the logbook is buggy but it's never really affected anything so it's not a high priority

either that or you dont have the logbook

which i doubt

[full apex]

yea i feel like at some point they kinda gave up on the stat tracker lmao

its really weird

[vapid swan]

I don’t think it’s that. It displays kills against for flying rocks lol

It stayed after a game restart, and I’m only missing monster logs for bosses

[steady stone]

it'll fix itself eventually

its kind of just a fun extra tracker so they don't care too much

but think of it as an error and move everything up one. I.E. lesser wisp is first.

[vapid swan]

They at least updated it a little bit for sots, wish they could’ve gone a bit further

Damage dealt caps at a much larger number than it used to, idk what the number even is anymore

[vapid swan]

I’m not really worried about it, just curious since I didn’t remember it being there prior to this run

It’s also interesting that most damage dealt caps higher than damage dealt, which makes exceptionally little sense

[steady stone]

i think one is total and one is in one hit

but it should work the other way around realistically

[cloud kernel]

is there a way to try survivors of the void w/o buying it

[vapid swan]

Yea, most is one hit but the total caps lower

Actually the damage dealt against caps at the same point as most too. Idk why total is the lowest

[cloud kernel]

wanna see if its worth D:

[vapid swan]

If you are in a friends lobby you can

[steady stone]

Play multiplayer with somebody who owns SOTV

[cloud kernel]

oh

[vapid swan]

Other than playing the survivors I think

[cloud kernel]

ok ty!

[steady stone]

you wont unlock anything or have the characters but the items will be there

[cloud kernel]

ok gotcha

[steady stone]

if the host has them that is

[cloud kernel]

what do you guys think?

is it worth it to buy

[steady stone]

SOTV is an amazing DLC that I can't imagine playing without

but I could easily do without SOTS

[cloud kernel]

from what i heard, sots isnt too popular

[steady stone]

All the items are integrated seemlessly and fit in very well

[cloud kernel]

railgunner looks rly fun!!

[steady stone]

But some people say RG and Viend are too powerful, which doesn't matter in a PvE game

[cloud kernel]

i think the orange fiend is really good, i saw some gameplay of it and seems a bit too insane

[steady stone]

and loader is still the best character anyway

Yeah viend is interesting. He has no alts but he has 2 forms he swaps between.

[cloud kernel]

huh

[steady stone]

He has a corruption meter

[cloud kernel]

is he very high dps?

[steady stone]

He's balanced in his normal mode but corrupt form is very high

[serene vector]

dam das a wacky rendering bug

[steady stone]

He has a fast attacking laser and a bomb with no charge

[cloud kernel]

damn

[steady stone]

You can read up on all the skills and how corruption works on the wiki, since I don't want to post an essay
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Void_Fiend

[cloud kernel]

sounds a bit good lol

ok ty!

[steady stone]

The "Void Corruption" signature passive is what makes him interesting, it's his meter

[cloud kernel]

gifs dont work D:

[steady stone]

Need a #roles for embeds

[cloud kernel]

oh

[steady stone]

Although I believe gifs are disabled in #ror2-discussion due to trolls either way, if you ever go there

[cloud kernel]

hehe bandit tag

[steady stone]

(#ror2-discussion is just general for ror2 players )

[cloud kernel]

ty

[hushed slate]

is there any reason to go for 3 leaf clovers?

like i got 2 so thats already 27% on atg

[steady stone]

depends

if you're missing logbooks clovers will help you in the long run for that

also crit chance gets increased

all other procs

[hushed slate]

i mean i already have 11 lens

[steady stone]

i mean there's no reason not to get another clover

is it a command run or something?

[hushed slate]

yeah

im thinking of either clover or aegis cause

[steady stone]

[hushed slate]

i rlly should get the dlc huh

[steady stone]

sotv is really good

[full apex]

atg can proc other items, and something like uke has a fairly low individual proc coeff so increasing the odds of proccing on every bounce makes a pretty big difference.

picking up a meathook can have a stronger effect depending on your existing proc chain state, if youve already got clovers but not meathook that would be awesome to pick up.

[steady stone]

more proc = good 😋

[full apex]

mhm. thats honestly probably the real biggest benefit of clover, like increasing your up front procs is good but you get way more mileage out of how it deepens all your proc chain trees

[steady stone]

but yeah i've stacked up to, like, 60-70 clovers, and you basically become unstoppable

but the game doesnt like guaranteed happiest mask. it's really heavy on your pc

so avoid that if you have a low end

[full apex]

how to hit the ally limit fast.jpg

[steady stone]

ally limit except all their ai and functions are way more advanced

especially the elite ghost beetle queens

[full apex]

i love the way that ghosts dying over time is handled

[steady stone]

yeah they can just heal

[full apex]

theres a hidden item that causes degen, and each stack is how long it lives. so 1 stack is die in 1s, 100 stacks is die in 100s

so it just gives them a bunch of those haha

[steady stone]

would DrizzlePlayerHelper make hmask worse like heretic?

[full apex]

if you somehow got the degen item onto yourself

(which there is a legit way to do so without mods but i think you could only get one)

actually that would be hilarious

[steady stone]

i thought the allies might get it tbh

[full apex]

imagine joining someones lobby and you spawn and instantly fucking die because you have 1 stack of the degen item hahaha

[steady stone]

new youtuber challenge run

[full apex]

also actually idk if its regen stat thats affected or if its its own thing

[steady stone]

Drizzle helper just multiplies your regen i believe. that's why heretic dies faster

[full apex]

yea its not regen stat

[steady stone]

oh nvm. misunderstood the last point lol

[full apex]

yea and also why monsoon is slower lol

[steady stone]

i think they should bring back transcendance instantly killing heretic

[full apex]

also tonic doesnt have a failsafe and just multiplies your regen

and multiplying a negative makes bigger negative haha

prayer beads at least has a negative number failsafe. it doesnt apply stat changes if they arent >0. i wonder if that was to avoid the oversight, or if it was meant to just skip the step if you dont have any stats stored. because it does the check for all the stats, but regen is the only one you can get negative with heretic

would be funny if they accidentally avoided a memey oversight haha

[steady stone]

prayer beads, what, give you buffs when removed from the inventory?

that's what i've picked up from hearing about them

[full apex]

its the stored level up thingy

they store exp alongside you and when they level up they give you a buff, and when you get rid of them they give you stats based on how many stacks and buffs you have

[steady stone]

oh so like irradiant pearl but investment it seems

[full apex]

not really, its just level stats so hp regen and damage

[steady stone]

it doesnt like take away the original percent and then give it back like gilded?

[full apex]

and its not a % of your current stats it uses your level stats. theres some shenanigans with how its calc'd rn but its supposed to be 1/5 of a normal level per buff at base

theres no downside, you still gain your own levels like normal. its almost like gaining more exp but not quite, because like even if you are level 20 and pick one up it will start from level 1 and that late in the game will store a bunch of levels super fast

like if you level one to 15, scrap it, and pick up a new one, it will start from 1 again and level up pretty quick. theres some attenuation that decreases how much exp it stores based on how many stats its given you, but im not positive how it works

[steady stone]

seems interesting

[full apex]

basically ideally if you have 1 stack and 5 buffs stored, it will give you the same stats as 1 normal level up

the reason its not quite is because it does the calc after you scrap them. so like if you have 1 and scrap it, now you have 0 when it calcs so instead of using 0.2 it uses 0.15 (because the stacking is 0.2 + 0.05 x stacks-1, and stacks is 0)

but yea
all in all its a pretty neat item

[hushed slate]

is there no scrapper on the mithrix stage?

[full apex]

i dont think it can spawn one no

[hushed slate]

uh oh

[steady stone]

just the cauldrons

[hushed slate]

ik the game is buggy but is it fr buggy enough that mithrix phase 4 can just disappear?

or is there an interaction that in not aware of

[trim narwhal]

thats been a thing since bandit patch i think

if u do a heavy hit frame 1 of p4 transition

easiest way is kjaros center of arena

[full apex]

that one shots, i wouldnt call it disappearing but meyb?

hes still there just dying lol

[quasi crystal]

You can damage him during the transition but not kill him and you'll keep your items and fight him it's funny

Aurelonite will still spawn and if you kill mithrix fast enough she'll spawn wherever you teleport to and fight reavers I think I have a video of that

[full apex]

Its possible to one shot him that way, unless it's been removed in the update

But his states can also somehow get interrupted i think. I managed to not kill him in the past trying to test mult saw since it also uses an always on hitbox

[gray spade]

Is there a good way to look at map locations to make sure i didnt miss anything?

[steady stone]

What do you mean?

Like if you want newt spots or random secrets you could probably use the wiki

[gray spade]

Well, like a top down view of the map so i can understand where i am in relation to the stage

There are some stages where their layout is basic and open so i can get where i am, but there are some stages where I can't find mysel5

[lusty python]

for acrid pandemic does blight also count?

[mortal basalt]

how do i install the mod where i can see the stats

[gray spade]

R2modman

Lookingglass iirc is the stats mod

[brazen sluice]

omg the more i play with knockback fin the more i hate it. its literally a debuff like 60% of the time and downright useless the rest of the time. ? knocks them of of it. runic lense? knocks them away before the meteor strikes. shooting multiple shots at an enemy? well now theres a random chance it becomes a moving target between each shot, requiring you to have better aim for 0 benefit

[quasi crystal]

I've always said it t has negative synergy with a lot of items

[steady stone]

sorry i'm like 3 hours late lol, but that just comes with time. Playing characters with good aerial movement like Loader can help you see from above though.

The wiki has reference photos of stages but you kind of have to piece them together yourself sadly, they're used to show where newts are

[steady stone]

Modding this game is through R2modman or Thunderstore, either one really, and the one that shows you exact stats of items is called ItemStats. Character stats are LookingGlass though, if that's what you mean, but I recommend both.

The mod managers are really easy to use, with their own mod browsers that just require you to hit download on mods.

[vital charm]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-adult-swim-dawn-hypno-go-to-sleep-gif-22612268

[rapid current]

What is the best way tô get engi missiles

Shield Variant

[sacred bridge]

Which is better, Directive drill or seed barrage?

[tacit summit]

seed barrage

just much more dps and allows you to use your health that you regen very quickly

[rapid current]

IS having 50 spare drone parte with engi a good idea

[hoary sedge]

i mean if you have a choice between that and a total of 50 between a bunch of reds the latter is probably better but that wouldn't be bad lol

sdp just doesn't stack super well, it only adds more attack speed (and cdr that doesn't matter for turrets)

[rapid current]

Oh yes my turrets attack like in light speef and i have 100 chance of getting bleed

IS there a place to stream ror2

IS this. A good run?

[white oak]

is this with command

[rapid current]

ye

[white oak]

oh ok I never do command. I mean it looks good, some reds might not be necessary

[spark jacinth]

how long does cripple debuff lasts

[timber cairn]

Is runic lens good?

And how good is it?

[ornate gust]

I like it personally

The more damage you do with an attack the more chance it has to occur and the more damage it does

Id say its decent

[supple crater]

what are good items for mercenary ?

i'm struggling a little bit beating the game on monsoon with mercenary

[ornate gust]

Focus crystals (melee character essential), proc items in general like tritips or atgs are decent specially if you have slicing winds, movement items are good, attack speed stuff can be a bit interesting depends on whether you want to be able to do his m1 expose trick, i usually take attack speed on him anyway

RAPs, tougher times help for damage reduction especially since he needs to be aggressive and in enemies faces

All in all to play him u gotta be on guard basically all the time, you'll get used to moving around as him and it becomes very fun to play

He anyway has a learning curve

[supple crater]

cool

[ornate gust]

For reds afterburners are pretty dope for some extra dashes

[supple crater]

although what does RAPs and proc mean ?

[ornate gust]

RAP meaning repulsion armour plate

Proc items means items that have a chance to happen

[supple crater]

oh ok

[ornate gust]

Like tri tip daggers, ukeleles, atg missiles etc

One tip is get good at staying in the air with him and use your double jump to help with dodging enemies, and learn the m1 expose trick with him, its a pretty easy tech to laern

Another thing with merc is he's really good at taking care of crowds

Single target scenarios he can struggle a bit

[supple crater]

hmm so that means that mithrix will be kind of troublesome ?

[ornate gust]

I lil bit yep

But dw merc honestly has the most fun movement in the game at least for me

So he can always be in the air

Mithrix struggles when u have any vertical movement

Thats why hopoo feathers are really good when fighting him

And merc has a built in one haha

[supple crater]

thx for the info 👍 , i hope i can kill 2 of them on moonson with mercenary cuz i usually use swarm

[ornate gust]

Gl gl

[wicked epoch]

is a rare case of unconditional damage for Merc, because all your attacks are melee so you always get the buff

is very nice for him especially with the default Shift ability, because it prioritises using on-hit refresh first before consuming an extra charge. You can essentially get up to 9 dashes in a row if they all hit

[trim narwhal]

its a longer fight but very safe with double jump m2 airstall and dashes

[wicked epoch]

Attack speed is good because Eviscerate scales the number of attacks in the invuln window based on attack speed, and because you can get out the 3rd attack in your basic mouse1 combo more often, which does more dmg

[lusty python]

are broach, transcendence or blood vial good on void fiend

[full apex]

i think having lower AS for more consistent dragging of m1 might be good but idk i dont merc often

ive heard merc players mention that attack speed is eh because it can mess up the combo flow, not necesarily bad but not great

[ornate gust]

I like atk speed on him

But i think its upto preference

If u like the flow of hitting the expose with your m1 and the rotation of your skills then no atk speed, if youre more into just bodying into enemies then more attack speed

[vague acorn]

I find attack speed really good cuz I like spamming eviscerate with lightflux and purity

[solar pawn]

how to avoid this?

[full apex]

heres no AS ez beeg draggin

heres 25 syring and i couldnt get it drag even once with slowed timescale

[vague acorn]

get to the boss faster

[full apex]

if there are enemies, getting the big dragging effects is a lot of CDR which means you can use eviscerate more frequently

[solar pawn]

or ill just do mithrix, false son unbalanced

[vague acorn]

false son is balanced

imo

[nimble horizon]

no it aint

it is both unbalanced and poorly designed

[vague acorn]

how is it unbalanced?

[rancid jewel]

Can razor wire hit crits with glasses?

[nimble horizon]

instakill perfect locking deathray

[full apex]

yes

[vague acorn]

yea

[nimble horizon]

a SHIT TON way more damage than mithrix in an AoE that covers like 5 feet behind it on a basic swing

[vague acorn]

if it's an instakill, you're taking too long to get to him

[nimble horizon]

LMAO

[full apex]

razorwire has a proc coefficient of 50% so it can activate items like atg and stuff too

[nimble horizon]

nah, its sub 30 every time

[vague acorn]

he's stage 4 tho

[nimble horizon]

also that primary attack just rapid fire spams faster than it knocks you away

[solar pawn]

imo the only bad part of the dlc

is his stupid laserbeam

[nimble horizon]

correct.

[full apex]

ive heard that looping for more items is helpful but i havent fought him super often

[vague acorn]

I find that rushing him is really good

[solar pawn]

ok but mithrix and voidling dont have that problem

[nimble horizon]

on top of being unbalanced stat and ability wise, the entire fight is just designed so poorly and its a really stale, frustratingly awful fight

[ornate gust]

Its also the fact that even with the laser hitting u cant reliably stay behind cover cuz then the golems will annihilate you

[nimble horizon]

^

[vague acorn]

tf u mean voidling doesn't have that problem

[solar pawn]

very time i kill voidling its after after a looped false son and mithrix

and false son is always the hardest part

[ornate gust]

Voidling is just an easier fight tbf

[nimble horizon]

voidling isnt as bad as false son, yes.

[full apex]

except his annoying one shots like both laser attacks lol

[vague acorn]

voidling literally has an instakill

[full apex]

the succ isnt too bad if you know its coming

[nimble horizon]

its far easier to play around

[ornate gust]

His big laser is the one that like destroys your health bar but you can either jump or follow it around

[vague acorn]

I find the laser easier to play around

[ornate gust]

Yep

[full apex]

the pewpewpewpewPEW is really annoying too

[vague acorn]

the last time the laser actually did anything bad to me was when I first fought him

[nimble horizon]

thats wild

[solar pawn]

which attack

[vague acorn]

the big blackhole thing

[nimble horizon]

he pulls you into a collapse bubble iirc

[full apex]

His low hp nova is a giant black hole

[vague acorn]

it's not a collapse, it's just an instakill as soon as u get in there

[solar pawn]

just get out of it

[nimble horizon]

but its really easy to run away from or avoid, especially if you just position yourself behind stage objects

[solar pawn]

its atleast dodgeable

[vague acorn]

🤔

[solar pawn]

you can dodge voidling, you cant dodge the laser

[full apex]

It kills you on touch i think but if you are far away its free. Which mostly makes it annoying for melee

[nimble horizon]

every melee character has high mobility to get away from it

dash, swing, etc.

[full apex]

The big laser is surprisingly dodgeable and i find it less troublesome than the b2b small laser that come out insanely fast with no windup

[nimble horizon]

you just have to not be deaf and blind

[full apex]

If you cant get to cover in time it does a ton of damage

[nimble horizon]

its really easy to tho

[full apex]

The majority of my voidling deaths are that attack lol

[nimble horizon]

bc its really hard to die to voidling and that attack is the only slightly threatening part of its kit

[vague acorn]

All of my voidling deaths are that lol

Mostly cuz i dont do him often

[mortal basalt]

how do you loop false son

[nimble horizon]

nor do it. voidling is just boring imo

[nimble horizon]

just loop and hope you get a green pillar.

[solar pawn]

i just beat all the bosses on loop 2

[vague acorn]

I only do it when i have such a god build that it's faster than the spaceship

[nimble horizon]

so when you have a loop 4 command build

[solar pawn]

boringgg

[quasi crystal]

Will going to the blue portal on stage one prevent me from going to the green portal

Or should I go to the green portal stage one then hope for a blue portal

[eternal storm]

Will forgive me please reset its own cd if I use it with soulbound catalyst

[glacial knoll]

Yes it will, it's a really strong synergy

[eternal storm]

Oh that’s cool

[supple crater]

i managed to kill the 2 mithrix on moonson thx for the help @ornate gust

[full apex]

it is very funny and the main reason it was throttled to 3 dolls at a time haha. cause at first doll could spawn tons and tons and could crash easily with decent CDR like gesture soulbound

[ornate gust]

Hell yeah, nicely done friend

[fiery fox]

made it to stage 5 for the first time yesterday on monsoon

still died tho

[eternal storm]

nice

[rancid jewel]

is it easier to just go to stage 8 instead of fighting mithrix on monsoon?

[gray spade]

How OP bands are that i need to mald for 15 minutes trying to find the buttons?

[stuck flare]

Hey sometimes my and my friend's game just have an effect on the ground akin to a blue explosion with dashed lines in a circle around it when we shoot the ground, is that supposed to be abug or something? Because it consumes a lot of FPS and is making us blind to the rest of the game lmao

[gray spade]

and then trying to push something on top of it

[rancid jewel]

Op enough that you can skip a whole phase of mithirx

Plus if you waste 15 minutes you'll get them unlocked and not need to do the button thing again (if you don't want to)

[full apex]

i find the p4 skip not exactly the easiest, usually its not a terrible issue so i just do p4 normally

[rancid jewel]

Yeah

[full apex]

you have to have him die and have the kjaros active in the center specifically where he spawns for it to work which can be annoying to coordiante in p3

[rancid jewel]

But it is an option

[full apex]

i dont think bands areinsane enough to warrant rolling pots honestly

like its 2 green items, 15 minutes is like usually more than a whole stages clear time haha

[rancid jewel]

It's a different story if you're playing loader though, since pylon can hold the button down

[full apex]

getting the floaty pylon to hold the buttons is so tho

[rancid jewel]

Yeah it definitely takes some practice

But bands on loader are well, amazing

The pylon is definitely easier than rolling pots imo

[full apex]

probably, pot physics are jank

[uncut wadi]

Get done with stage quickly and line up for pylon, takes at most 5 minutes ime

And for loader specifically yeah it's a win condition to get bands

I find she feels below average damage wise if you don't got bands

Granted that is made up by the unparalleled movement so she is still ludicrous

[scenic mist]

I am, unfortunately a Switch player. Are there any resources on controller bindings that are a bit less arthritis-feeding than the default?

[earnest bone]

when does fuel array explode?

[rancid jewel]

Below 50% health I believe

I don't remember because I used it once to get rex

[twin cedar]

Is the Tech with the False son still doable?

The one with the slam

[royal drum]

Question: when u have reached a certain amount of stages, can you not get halycon shrines anymore to get to prime meridian? the last 3 first cycle stages havent had one, i just wanna finish this run by beating the false son then beating nyx

[twin cedar]

The shrines won't always spawn but you can get a gold portal from the shrine for the green portal

[royal drum]

ah ok, thanks

didnt know gold portal always gave green portal

[twin cedar]

Apparently it's frowned upon but I'll say I did it on drizzle just so I didn't have to struggle with looping so many times

The green portal doesn't always spawn from a gold portal tho

[royal drum]

im just trying to unlock everything for my characters, but havent had a chance to get to prime meridian since ive been ready for it

been going for 3 and a half hours, i just wanna finish it xD

[rancid jewel]

Is anyone else having a problem with nothing spawning? It's fine for me though because I can just refresh with auto save, but it's annoying

[steady swallow]

does the green shrine always spawn on the first stage?

or is there a chance for it not to spawn?

[peak holly]

It does have a chance to not spawn

[steady swallow]

will it spawn in the later stages?

[peak holly]

It can spawn on every stage 1 stage after looping (stage 6, 11, 16 etc)

[steady swallow]

ohh ok

[peak holly]

You can also go through a gold portal at anytime to get on the path

[steady swallow]

i just want the 3 items tbh

[rancid jewel]

Does the scavenger have a chance to spawn if you do a mountain shrine before a loop? The hand shrine

[twin cedar]

What does it mean when the game says "[Warning] the ground begins to shift beneath you"

[royal drum]

pretty sure its a msg that a certain boss is gunna spawn during the teleporter event

Question? can i get to the green portal areas through the newt shop

[peak holly]

That’s a family event, it means only golems and stone titans will spawn

[twin cedar]

doesn't seem like it

[steady stone]

I think that's the beetle one

"[WARNING] The earth rumbles and groans with mysterious energies.." is titans

similar though

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Family_Events

[bitter juniper]

Anyone know any good ways to get gesture of the drowned quest done

[vague acorn]

Rex

[bitter juniper]

The crabs just run back at me every time I get them close to the edge

So I don’t get the chance for it

[vague acorn]

Rex, and get .5 second cooldown

Also remember, it carries over between runs

[bitter juniper]

I’ve gotten like 2 in like 16 runs

[steady stone]

Stage 6 titanic plains as rex for boop, helps too.

Avoid crazy damage things like ATGs that might kill them

might take like half an hour to do depending on spawns

[bitter juniper]

I go for single target damage when I go Rex

[steady stone]

Should be fine as long as you pick the harmless boop skill

also they naturally run from you when near

[bitter juniper]

I don’t have any of his challenges unlocked

So I just have his base stuff

[steady stone]

But the important part is stage 6 titanic plains

you can speedrun drizzle with the big 3 artis

[bitter juniper]

Would monsoon help with the spawns?

[steady stone]

The faster you go the less boss spawns

Since you have to loop

just gotta go to newt stage 5 for the lunar seers

to help get titanic

[amber flicker]

can someone help me get some characters? (i have both DLC)

[vague acorn]

Which ones?

[amber flicker]

this is what i have ill take anything other than what i own thats all i really know

[vague acorn]

Ok, the one below bandit requires you to kill mythrix and escape the moon

[amber flicker]

alright

[vague acorn]

Below huntress is finish the void fields

In the bazaar between time, there is a lil cave in the pit

In the cave is a portal to the void fields

[amber flicker]

good to know

[vague acorn]

The one below engi requires you to beat the voidling, after u do void fields a void portal appears that takes u to voidling

The one below merc requires you to beat the false son boss (halcyon shrine) with the aurelionite seed item (gold shrine)

The one below rex requires ypu to give bison steak, cautious slug, and infusion to the chef on the first map after using a halcyon shrine

What does it say the req is for the one below commando?

[amber flicker]

defeat the unique guardian of sirens call

[vague acorn]

Oh, go to siren's call, and break the little nests with the eggs until it says."you hear a distant whirring" at which point u can break one more nest and it willl spawn boss, kill the boss and u get the character

[amber flicker]

is this all in the same gamemode?

[vague acorn]

oh yea

[vague acorn]

this one you can also get by going into simulacrum and doing 50 waves

[amber flicker]

okay thanks

[vague acorn]

although you can't get the one below engi and the one below bandit in the same run

[vague acorn]

np

[rancid jewel]

is the dlc still majorly buggy?

[full apex]

it much better, the fps compiler issue was the worst by far imo

still some jank though

[rancid jewel]

So is it worth getting, or should I just wait till almost nearly everything is fixed

[leaden field]

I think its worth getting

especially because its getting balance changes very soon

[full apex]

i think i would say its at least worth trying

[leaden field]

you could wait until the balance patch comes out though

will probably be a better experience when that happens

[full apex]

yea. you can always refund it if you dont like it

[rancid jewel]

I could just down patch

[full apex]

you can try out some of the items or stages if you play multiplayer and someone hosts who has the DLC

cant try chars but other stuff will still appear.

you could probably find games in one of the LFG channels but idk if thats your style, it kinda isnt for me.

[rancid jewel]

I decided to just get it

If its unbearable I'll down patch

[vague acorn]

you can always disable dlcs

instead of downpatching

[rancid jewel]

Does that really fix the bugs?

[vague acorn]

if u already have the latest update installed then it will disable them

the dlc exclusive bugs

[rancid jewel]

Ah okay

[twilit arch]

How many Gesture of the drowned before Blast Shower activates instantly or semi instantly

[peak jacinth]

20

[twilit arch]

❤️

[peak jacinth]

after the first gesture each fuel cell has the same reduction

so you can stack both as long as u have 1 gesture

[twilit arch]

I use void cell so I won’t be able to take advantage of that but very good to know

[copper forge]

Can you ever actually unlock the heretic’s log?

[vague acorn]

yes, you just have to beat the game with heretic

[hot tulip]

hi guys, does anyone know how to unlock the artifact where you can revive teammates with pillars? I was playing in a multiplayer game and he had that

[steady stone]

Not an artifact, but a mod. ShrineOfDios i believe.

It replaces shrine of the woods

[hot tulip]

wait really?

So only one player needs to have the mod for it to work?

[steady stone]

since it replaces the shrine and uses existing code () only the host needs it

since nothing is "added" so you can pull all the needed code

[hot tulip]

oh okay I see

[steady stone]

Some mods work like that, some dont

[hot tulip]

Its not this mod specifically but that answered my question thanks

[steady stone]

Yeah ShrineOfDios I last saw like, 1-2 years ago lol

I answer questions more than i actively play nowadays

[hot tulip]

haha legend

[quasi crystal]

Shrine of dios just sounds like shrine of shaping

[copper forge]

I’ve done it before but it locks itself again

[vague acorn]

Maybe a mod issue?

[copper forge]

I think i just gotta get better at the game and beat it without getting hit

[fiery fox]

Woukd any care to join me in multiplayer

idk what im doing wrong

i cant beat monsoon

[blissful yacht]

Hello @gilded maple! Hope things are going well with the DLC Refinement! Am quite curious if you guys will be adding a Spawn Sound for the Twisted Elites or if there is any potential reworks or tweaks with the Twisted Elites

[candid kestrel]

👨🏿‍❤️‍👨🏿

[blissful yacht]

Playing in Monsoon is more or less about utilizing your knowledge you've picked up from Drizzle/Rainstorm and making less mistakes. There are some runs that may be more unfair than others, Monsoon may exacerbate those unfair runs so dying is to be expected (as in the Monsoon Difficulty's Description).
A couple things I may recommend while playing on Monsoon without any Artifact Modifiers is;

• Prioritize Offensive Items, Enemies Scale Faster Thus More HP, you'll need the any form of Damage/Crits/AoE that you can take.
• At the Start of Every Map, the Teleporter is typically on the other side of the map from which you've spawned from, so farm and open chests that are distant from the teleporter and save the chests that are closer to the teleport for near the end of you leaving the map.
• Using your Utility Skill isn't the only means to dodge or avoid damage, strafing or moving perpendicular from the attacking monster can also avoid most enemy projectile attacks, also your positioning matters, be sure to have a nearby cover or escape option when things get too overwhelming.

There's much more stuffs in the game you can abuse but the little things can help out in the long run

Though in General, in the Early Game, picking up some Healing/Movement Speed is crucial as it'll help you survive and maneuver around the map a bit better. Oh and be sure to loot most if not ALL chests in the map, as leaving out one or two chests could means of missing out a Run Changing Item

[vapid swan]

They’ve already stated there are tweaks for the various items and elites on the way

[blissful yacht]

Oh awesome! Thanks for the headies!

[willow shoal]

is there an item that increases bleed dmg

[fiery fox]

ty

[full apex]

normal damage up stuff like focus crystal or watch work, and its base damage so base damage increases like tonic or prayer beads also work

basically it cant crit or proc, but most other damage increasing items should work

[willow shoal]

oki nice

[vague acorn]

And shatterspleen has the bleed explosion thing, which stacks damage

[willow shoal]

do i need to have a shield to be able to get plasm shrimp?

[simple coyote]

it doesn’t increase bleed damage, just the death explosion and radius per stack.
and crits that apply bleed can’t also apply a second stack from tri tip, so technically you could have needletick and shatterspleen to stack but that’s not directly bleed

[simple coyote]

you only fire plimps when you have shield yes

[vague acorn]

Thats why i mentioned the explosion...

[simple coyote]

but it doesn’t increase bleed damage

[willow shoal]

no i mean; can you only get it while u have shield

[simple coyote]

what

what do you mean “get”

[willow shoal]

like

to be able to drop itfrom the purple ting

[simple coyote]

you having shield doesn’t matter to getting it, dw

[willow shoal]

even with command i cant get it

is it banned on moonsoon or what

[vague acorn]

It has to be a green void, there are 4 types of void items

[simple coyote]

void potentials tend to drop the void-white selection with command, but it’s more common without command since void potentials can have them across rarities

[willow shoal]

aaaaaaaaaaaah

[simple coyote]

same thing for the gilded stashes (like from halcyon shrine)

[willow shoal]

ic noww

[vague acorn]

Also encrusted keys always drop grey voids with command on

[simple coyote]

that’s probably what I’m thinking of^

[graceful bridge]

Does using wake of vultures kill you if you kill a twisted elite?

[vague acorn]

Why would it?

I remember hearing smth about it, but i dont think its true

[brazen sluice]

i love how its been almost 2 years now and ROR is still nowhere to be found on GBX's own website under their "all games" page

[graceful bridge]

I heard there's a bug where it will reflect the damage back at you but IDK if it's real

[candid kestrel]

does anyone know the name of the mod that adds the nemesis t guy from that horror game

[brazen sluice]

ok i know my last comment seems random, but ffs seriously where the hell does this company post any of their update announcements? cuz clearly they dont post it in the announcements channel of this discord

[vague acorn]

The announcements channel of the discord, and the steam page, and the twitter

[brazen sluice]

steam page? like store->search for the game?

[vague acorn]

Yea

[brazen sluice]

ok ill check that. cant check twitter

[tacit summit]

can someone help me with false son

i just dont understand what to do against him

any time i get to the bossfight he just kills me in like 20 seconds

even if im running away from him

he just dashes straight to my face and oneshots with his smash

[brazen sluice]

TIL: the speed boost you get from the tubes in helminth hatchery can be preserved via bunnyhopping. i knew for a while you could jump off them to maintain spee, but i just learned about the bunny hop part

[brazen sluice]

if its his smash, not sure what to say besides keep walking backwards and shoot. try to not go airborn

[hot vapor]

Is there any items that increase the range of abilities? Something that will make the radius of seekers orb larger?

[twilit crown]

Is there a mod that changes gilded elites to have the same stat buffs as the other tier 1 elites?

[hot tulip]

hi guys, my friend and I are doing a run right now and we want to get to the false son and we just reached the helmith hatchery map but we haven't done a halcyon shrine. We were wondering if after this map we would go to the false son boss or would it take us to mithrix because we havent done the shrine yet

[twilit crown]

you go to mithrix if you go through the teleporter. If you want to go to false son at this point youll need to loop

[livid wedge]

#ror2-modding probably have better luck here

[hot tulip]

ok thank u so much

[livid wedge]

Not without modding

[hot vapor]

@livid wedge dang, that would be awesome.

[livid wedge]

Sounds like a potential lunar item, honestly

Increase your character and ability radii at the expense of a larger hitbox

Maybe make you slower too

[hot tulip]

we just did a halcyon shrine on the hatchery map, if we enter teleporter will we go false son now? or is a green portal supposed to show up

[livid wedge]

Green portals will not show up if unless you could normally go to a stage 2, 3, or 4

If the map would normally lead to stage 1 or 5, there will be no green portal

[hot tulip]

so if we were to go through teleporter would we go to mithrix?

[livid wedge]

Correct

[hot tulip]

luckily we looped haha thank u man

[livid wedge]

[hoary sedge]

yeah the teleporter always takes you to the non-colossus path stages, you need green portals to enter/stay on it

[faint gull]

Sir are you a rat king

If you don't know what that is look it up and click on images

Trust me I am very trustworthy

[hot tulip]

THX GUYZ

just unlocked false son he looks trash wasted an hour thirty of my life 😭 😭 😭 😭

[jaunty zinc]

false son is pretty good but he's just really unfinished animation wise

[wide badger]

Is the level being filled with only one enemy a bug? Stage 4 and only facing slimes

[jaunty zinc]

might be a family event

[wide badger]

Okay

[livid wedge]

If there's a message in the game's chat log along the lines of the air smells of sweet strawberries, that's a gup family event

[hasty lotus]

Does stunning leap on acrid no longer get rid of fall damage

[livid wedge]

It's bugged to deal damage on consoles atm

[hasty lotus]

Bruuuuuuh

[restive lark]

Hi guys, quick question, does seed of life work on a equipment drone in multiplayer?

[steady stone]

From what I read it doesn't work, at least the way it should

There's only like one post about it though

Someone said it consumed the equipment on spawn of a stage since it wasn't alive yet, and either way it uses the seed on itself.

So if you die and it doesn't it probably wouldn't matter anyway

[full apex]

When i tried it, it worked i think

It only uses it if it's in combat so it needs enemies near it to revive you, but also it has no weapons so you need to not have it die

[steady stone]

There's a good chance it got fixed in a patch, but nobody has really talked about it except for that one post I saw when I looked it up

[broken vessel]

is this considered a bug (levitating grass)

[steady stone]

Probably but there's a good chance it won't get fixed anytime soon

It doesn't affect gameplay, so it might just exist for all time, like the logbook bugs

[broken vessel]

i know, but it's a funny bug

and i'm not planning to report it

[chrome mist]

how does warped echo stack

[full apex]

More potential charges stored

Note the charges dont recharge asynchronously, you get 1 back every 10s

Its seemingly not reset by using one tho

[full apex]

he does not die between stages it seems

also this interaction is buggy as hell in singleplayer

here it works but spawns a weird ghost?.. and funny how drone teleports when using the consumed seed,

but here, i wanted to check priority with dios, and it caused the 'revive into the endscreen' bug

so idk in singleplayer i wouldnt trust it, BUT its better than nothing if you find a seed, a drone, and really dont want to carry the seed. it can save you, just not consistently. in multi it works better because dying never risks ending the run, because multiple players are alive.

[quick sable]

chat rate this build

[golden pawn]

is there some weird bug with royal capacitor making an arm invisible?

[ornate gust]

The royal capacitor's placement is making the arm dissapear with like a lightning

[golden pawn]

always been a thing? huh

[wicked epoch]

Does work on DoTs?

I seem to recall doesn't because no proc coeff

[trim narwhal]

doesnt

[livid wedge]

Nope and for the same reason

Heal is multiplied by the proc coefficient

[steady stone]

Leeching seed is also affected by coeff but rounding makes it unnoticeable in the display numbers

Since the heal is so low

[steady stone]

I was busy but honestly all this info is useful enough if could get it's own wiki trivia section on the seed page

So when you Google it the only thing isn't a reddit post from 2-3 weeks ago

[full apex]

yea even fandom is barebones. we havent gotten that far yet

[steady stone]

Lot of testing yeah, since you can only really put what's concrete and absolute

People trying to get info probably wouldn't like a lot of "sometimes" and "maybe"

[hasty acorn]

Is there a list or resource/guide of all the challenges to unlock items

[steady stone]

In game logbook for most. Wiki individual items if not.

[hasty acorn]

Thx I've been using the logbook was jus wondering if there's any lists I could refer to while playing

[livid wedge]

The wiki has good tips for the actual challenges

[steady stone]

For the harder ones like bands the wiki pages have picture guides

[hasty acorn]

That's v helpful

[steady stone]

You can just go to the item page and click on the embed for the challenge page

[hasty acorn]

Thank you!

[steady stone]

Unlocking them yourself with the logbook is fun though, so I'd do that.

Personally I just played and passively unlocked stuff until the hard ones

...

[hasty acorn]

Hahah yea I was keepin an eye for some niche ones, I recently looked for the first time and unlocked a lot in one run. It's also kind of hard for me to find motivation to unlock certain load outs for characters lol

[steady stone]

Most of the time the alt loudouts are completely different play styles, so that could be a pretty big motivation

[hasty acorn]

I see, I guess I've kinda been seeing this as more or less optimal options but that makes sense

[wicked epoch]

Oh god yeah that one was a pain in the ass

[willow shoal]

hey, does pocket icbm buff the plasma shrimp?

[mortal basalt]

whats the best method to the bandit sadist challenge (20 stacks hemorrhage)

[crude vortex]

spare mag stacking

[mortal basalt]

but the boss dies before i can hit them all

[crude vortex]

then ou will have to stack it on a final boss, easiest is the one in the void

[full apex]

shrimp, ATG, DML, and engi harpoons. oh and fireworks.

[full apex]

easiest is on special scaling bosses since they get a large hp mult. alloy worship unit is the best choice, because when it gets to low hp its shield will periodically double its health, allowing it to survive longer. Aurelionite is the next best, and final bosses work but can be more annoying to apply to. maybe voidling but youd have to maintain the stacks for the whole fight and some of his moves discourage being close haha

getting 100% crit from lenses with command and like purity for cooldown can make it much easier since you can just stand on top of AWU without needing to worry about consistently backstabbing, and the low cooldowns let you apply quickly so he doesnt die too fast. though if you do wanna take purity, its a good idea to try and have 100% or close to 100% crit because otherwise purity will worsen your crit rate.

if youre confident in yourself you can just try for backstabs, and backup mags for more m2 charges can help frontload a bunch of stacks

[willow shoal]

yo what can it be

[willow shoal]

tf

[full apex]

thats mine completed to compare

[full apex]

yea this can happen if the game doesnt identify the target that killed you.

[willow shoal]

like

i killed a voidcrab, it exploedd, i was far, and i just like, instantly died

[full apex]

sometimes it can happen from post mortem kills like dying from an overloading orb or smth whose owner you killed

[ornate gust]

Yeah the void crab explodes into tiny black holes

That can insta kill u

[willow shoal]

bro i had mult

[potent briar]

is essence of heresy a good choice for commando most of the time

[ornate gust]

Its big enough to cover any survivor

[willow shoal]

18 safer spaces, 2 clovers

[full apex]

yes its a great choice, commandos specials arent super impressive and his proc rate is great

[ornate gust]

Black holes negates everything and u get killed by it no matter what

[full apex]

if you were in range of the void implosion it doesnt matter, it bypasses all invincibility

[willow shoal]

naaaaaaaah, its crazy

[full apex]

the only ways not to die are effects that remove your hitbox, like strides, and whatever sojourn does to you. i dont know of any other ways

[willow shoal]

btw, my 100% completion going good atm

[full apex]

including the 100% immunity after reviving with dios

[ornate gust]

Does the revive from dios do it

[ornate gust]

Ahh nice

[ornate gust]

Awesome

[full apex]

you will respawn, but the invincibility grace period it gives you after can be pierced

[willow shoal]

am doing skins and artifacts

[full apex]

so 2 novas back to back will just wipe you even with dios haha

[ornate gust]

Damn lol

[ornate gust]

Epic

[willow shoal]

btw, i see ppls in vids having like, 20 artifacts, how do they do, u can only unlock 16, and the false son one, right?

[ornate gust]

Mods

There are mods that can add more artifacts

[willow shoal]

you sure?

[ornate gust]

Yep

[willow shoal]

is there any vanilla artifacts, that you can get, that isnt shown in the artifacts wiki

(like the false son one

[ornate gust]

Nope all are listed there

[willow shoal]

oh ok

so there is 18

[ornate gust]

The false son one, the artifact of rebirth, is listed there its that it isnt gotten with a artifact code

[ornate gust]

19

Artifact of devotion and artifact of delusion

Were the new artifacts added before the sots update

The codes for them arent shown in the wiki, just their descriptions

[pliant wigeon]

whats the best move set to run for Mul-T?

[willow shoal]

oh oh oh, let me tell you

[pliant wigeon]

...

[willow shoal]

things that makes you get more attack speed

[pliant wigeon]

oh

[willow shoal]

speed itself, and the items that are good on every survivors i would say

[full apex]

the majority of skill combos work for mult

he is very powerful

[pliant wigeon]

i meant the saw, rebar, scrap launcher etc

[willow shoal]

oh

[pliant wigeon]

ive seen some people do dual saws shred bosses but cant deal with wisps and greater wisps and the one im runnin is scrap launcher and saw but it doesnt seem that strong mayb im just bad but idk

[willow shoal]

i've never seen 3 in a single stage, is there any way to guarentee them?

[pliant wigeon]

i think thats all chance

[full apex]

some notable funnies

double rebar retool lets you hold m1 and special and fire the quite quickly, very strong early but doesnt scale well with attack speed so can fall off a bit.
double nailgun works too, you can cancel the nailbursts and its really really good dps but the inputs are a bit taxing because you cant just hold the keys down you have to click and release nail, retool, click and release nail etc.
rebar nailgun is a good alternative, you can cancel the nailgun if you want, or not, and weave in canceled rebars.
Saw can replace nailgun in these cases for a stronger melee option with higher damage and procs, but it cant be canceled.

For powermode, rebar becomes horrible because you cant cancel the insane endlag. scrap launcher has fair dps though. nailgun is always safe, double nailgun is awesome because you can jump and release both at the same time, and the nail bursts will throw you backwards s you maintain decent mobility even while PM is active. Double saw is unreal damage but fliers are tough, saw+nailgun is a great alternative to get range, and the second primary inherits the bloom of the first, so having saw in slot 1 and nail in 2 makes nailgun have no base bloom so its super accurate which is very fun

double scrap with retool can be a bit funny too

[willow shoal]

wah, that look cool

i didnt see mult in that way

[full apex]

powermode has some silly combos and the armor it gives you makes you super tanky

[pliant wigeon]

Mul-T is a beast if you know how to play him and get the right things

[full apex]

car mode also gives a shitton of armor so its great for fall damage or emergency escapes

double nail retool has super super high potential but god is it annoying to play hahaha

[pliant wigeon]

alr thanks mayb ill try double nailgun with retool or powermode

[pliant wigeon]

wdym?

[full apex]

i really like nail+nail or saw+nail powermode

the double nail burst is fun, and laser beam nail is also fun haha

[pliant wigeon]

oh lol

yeah ill probably go with that

for now atleast

[brazen briar]

Bruh am I dumb 😭 what do you do about the grandparent crazy aoe attack

[full apex]

when you stop shooting nailgun, t shotguns out 1s worth of nails and cant be fired for 1s. so normally its identical dps, but you can do the burst, swap with retool, and do another burst, effectively doubling your nailgun output

[brazen briar]

I was doing decent in drizzle and that sht melted me

[full apex]

which is like 720%/s x2 i think, which would be like 1440% which is a lot a lot. saw is 1000% per saw

[full apex]

hide lol

[pliant wigeon]

ncie so mayb double nailgun

[full apex]

you gotta be in the shade or it catches up fast

it ramps up the damage while you are in it

[brazen briar]

I tried I went behind a whole rock tower and it was still killing me :( rip

Ohhh shade

[full apex]

yea if it has line of sight youll keep getting burned, and the burns dont immediately end when you hit cover

so if you get burned to 8 or 9 overheat stacks, even if you hit shade you might just die

[willow shoal]

btw, what does it do if u get 2 of the same thing on mult

[full apex]

what do you mean?

like 2 equipment with retool?

[pliant wigeon]

it just means u have 2

with power mode you can use both at the same time and with retool it can cancel anooying attack animations

[frosty steeple]

how good is crit stacking on loader? her attack speed is really low but her damage is massive so i'm not sure

most proc items don't work well on her at all bc she can't really use them a lot

[steady stone]

it's alright

crowbar is more consistent and doesnt have a cap

but double damage is double damage

[frosty steeple]

i found a crit printer but i haven't gotten any crowbars yet

[brazen briar]

Is there anything you’re supposed to do manually to fix the frames on xbox series x? Even with the new gen update and all it feels about the same frames as I had on my Nintendo Switch lmao 😭

Lowkey makin me not wanna play it as much

I can play overwatch at 120 frames so I know performance ain’t an issue

[steady stone]

uhh textures

certain items lag more and looping is bad for your xbox

[brazen briar]

:( like from the very first stage tho

Not even 60 fps sadge

[steady stone]

console ror2 is 30 i think

[brazen briar]

Bruh rip

[steady stone]

that's what happens to games that get released on switch sadly

thats what happened to MHRise

[brazen briar]

:((((

[steady stone]

other than messing with your settings there's not too much to do? maybe open it up and clean out your fans if it's old

[brazen briar]

It ain’t that old not even a year lul

It must just be the console version limitations huge rip

[full apex]

generally crit is probably better on fast attacking chars, simply because its outscaled in damage and utility by other effects like focus crystal or watches, 10% vs 20%. also, it cant apply to DoT effects like bleed, so crits main appeal is its synergy items like pred, scythe, and spleen, which are much better with quick attacks. but, its unconditional like watch, with no risk of disappearing, so its still pretty good

also its affected by luck so if you get a clover it gets better, something like frystal wont

[livid wedge]

Console ror2 is 60 fps on current gen versions or at least close

On ps5 at least

Like

[full apex]

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