ror2-game-questions

[ornate gust]

I believe they are

Cuz they replied to a tweet asking about it

[full apex]

Icic

I dont have Twitter so

[ornate gust]

We will see nonetheless

[full apex]

Yea

[ornate gust]

Yeah i dont have twitter either i saw a reddit post where someone posted the screenshots

[rapid current]

What are the chances of 5 mountain shirine in the First stage 5

[full apex]

Im curious what they'll do about it. Rn what it is, is the new 1.5 tier spawning t1 elites with the same stats, but costing less. So functionally, its spawning more elites without lowering their stats to compensate.

[full apex]

Depends on a lot, artifacts and multiplayer can change the weights

[rapid current]

I was on solo and i found 5 or 6

[ornate gust]

Thats probably whats causing the bug aswell, the code is messing up trying to figure out a 1 and half tier elite

[rapid current]

Whats better for ego Eng normal or 2 turret

[full apex]

I wonder if this is more addressing the twisted and gilded, as opposed to then in general

[ornate gust]

Yeah thats true

[full apex]

What do you mean?

[ornate gust]

But they probably know about it

[rapid current]

With egocentrism

[ornate gust]

Considering they had to mention that they know about the feedback

[full apex]

Oh like base or alt turrets?

[rapid current]

Ye

[full apex]

Probably alt, walking lets them approach and chase stuff down, and ego has a limited range

They also have a slow, which i always forget about haha

[rapid current]

Can u get more then 2 turrets

[full apex]

3, with lysate cell which is void fuel cell

Extra lysate stacks give you more charges but still only 3 at a time

[odd flint]

what exactly is the difference between blight and poison for acrid

[full apex]

poison will either deal 1% of the enemies max hp, of 100% of acrids base damage, whichever is higher, per second. it cant stack, so reapplications do nothing but reset the timer. it lasts for 10s. it cant kill enemies and will leave them with 1hp until you hit them with something else.

blight deals 320% base damage total, 60%/s, regardless of enemy hp. it can stack, so rather than resetting the duration each individual stack will always deal all of its damage. it is able to kill enemies by itself and lasts for 5s

[vapid swan]

Can you continue the run after defeating false son or are you forced to credits? And if so, do you still get the lunar coins for beating him?

Guessing not, but it would be nuts if you could just fight false son half a million times for a ton of lunar coins

[ivory escarp]

can you play risk of rain 2 splitscreen co op
and if yes
how

[full apex]

after u kill and touch the shrine once it behaves like a moment fractured, and spawns a portal. you can either put an item in rebirth and end the run or take the portal and keep going. i havent paid attention to lunar coins if you loop, usually its tied to winning not beating a boss. like if you kill mith and choose to go to voidling, either you die and get nothing or kill voidling and only get the coins from that

what i really want to figure out, is if its possible to end the run there without overwriting your rebirth item haha

[vapid swan]

That’s about what I guessed.

I’ve beaten him a few times now, but I’ve always just used the rebirth rather than trying to see what the other portal does lol

[full apex]

i think it took me to s5 when i used it

[vapid swan]

Figured

But I’d love if it gave the lunar coins still, I’m on console and desperately want more

[full apex]

i was just going for the skin on engi so i went straight to green loop and the boss, and was ready to stop, but i have something really silly in my rebirth so i didnt wanna overwrite it haha

[vapid swan]

My group got whispers into our rebirth last night, so we are hoping to use that for a long run this weekend

[full apex]

that is a good one to start with.

[vapid swan]

What is it that you are trying to save in yours?

[ivory escarp]

.

[full apex]

i think its on consoles?. but not pc? maybe theres a mod?.

i dont really know sorry, but maybe thats better than nothing

[vapid swan]

Think you can only do it on console

Should just be an option on the menu screen

[full apex]

uh
wtf
i was just gonna go get a screenshot of my rebirth item because funuy and this happened

what the hell

[ivory escarp]

oh the all commander glitch
i heard about this one tho idk how to preform it

[full apex]

😔

now i cant go back to the main menu either. i'll try restarting i guess, thats like some cursed creepypasta shit. like theres 2 votes on the difficulty, whos in there with me?? and its all monsoon??

looks pretty funny.

i hope my save isnt bricked

[vapid swan]

Lmao that's a lot more cursed than the one I got

It shouldn't be, looks the same as what happened when console saves were messed up

[ivory escarp]

what i know about it is that
1 - its possible on pc without mods using a command tho everytime i try to do it my game gets funky and weird
2 - there is a mod that adds a menu button and makes it much easier and more stable tho i cant get my mods to work and am still very new to the game

[full apex]

oh whew its fine now! crazy. anyways...

hehehe

[vapid swan]

...

[full apex]

i managed to get something silly in there

[vapid swan]

modded..?

[full apex]

nop! which is what makes it funuy

[vapid swan]

No idea then

is it like one of the hidden items that shouldn't actually appear? No idea how you'd manage that

[full apex]

i think its the hidden item that some stuff has to make it use the ambient level, so while you have it you are either your normal level, or the difficulty one enemies use, whichever is higher

[vapid swan]

now I wanna try lmao

[full apex]

ofc the clock scales harder so it should end up being interesting to try out

ive gotten mithrix's adaptive armor in there before and it was pretty good haha

[vapid swan]

wtf

and this is all without mods or cheats?

[full apex]

mmmm kinda? idk if you could do it on console. it doesnt use mods, but there are some shenanigans involved.

[vapid swan]

damn

'shenanigans'

Console never gets any of the fun glitches 😭

[full apex]

ive been keeping it to myself for a little while because i really dont want it to get patched

[vapid swan]

lmao high quality mod

[full apex]

but yea adaptive armor acrid was funny, and the other test run ive done was getting the empathy cores teamsizedamage hidden item on engi which was crazy ridiculous

the teamsize is the thing that gives you 100% damage up per ally so with engi, 2 turrets, thats 3 allies... lotta damage

[vapid swan]

Like does it use a command line or something? Really curious if it's possible on console

[full apex]

no, i have a mod for my console commands*

its insanely easy to do stuff like that on demand whenever with the console, but you cant do that as a client in multiplayer

[vapid swan]

hmm

well I doubt I'll ever figure it out honestly, but interesting still

[full apex]

im not sure youd have access to the correct tools on console

i dont really think you can cheat much there, like people have been save editing lunar coins but i dont think console can do that kind of thing

[brazen sluice]

oh that makes sense cuz the moment i dropped a diablo strike on all the enemies stuck in my static trap, a bunch of gilded wisps spawned. they killed me almost instantly tho cuz those things hurt like hell stage 1 and are near impossible to dodge so i didnt have time to see if killing them would give a drop. i might consider adding this info to the wiki

[vapid swan]

I don't think we have any 'tools', so yeah...

[vapid swan]

Nah we can't I would've by now if we could

[full apex]

yea so sadly, i think it would be impossible there...

the biggest downside to console gamering is no mods and no shenanigans 😔

[ivory escarp]

wth is a lunar coin
i got it from a normal enemy

[full apex]

its a long-term currency, you can see it stored under your gold

its used for a bunch of stuff, but the main thing is that it persists between runs. so like if you quit or die, youll still have them. you gain a big chunk for winning

[brazen sluice]

and the fact that youre playing on a console

[vapid swan]

10 per win always feels crazy slow when farming

I'm always trying to find a better method, but we don't get much

[brazen sluice]

i got an ass ton when i was doing simulacrum for void fiend cuz i died a lot doing it and each time you die it resets the diminishing returns drop chance from enemies

[full apex]

yea. early on i got to like 400 or 500 just by playing, because i never spent them. but there are some funny memey lunars now so ive burned a lot of coins for funnies and i find grinding them to just be annoying... so i have used console commands to cheat in coins nowadays lol. i just try not to abuse them too badly, like if i use the reroller ill stop at 8 or 16 instead of going into millions.

its just like
doing drizzle loader speedrunning mithrix isnt very fun imo, id rather cheat coins than do that 10 times in a row lol

[brazen sluice]

i think doing voidling post mithrix should grant you 40 coins cuz right now its a net loss of 20

[full apex]

is it a net loss?

i thought it was like spend 10 gain 15 or something

i dont rember.

[brazen sluice]

you spend 10 for petting the frog and you loose out on the 10 you would have gotten from escaping and you get nothing at all for beating voidling

[full apex]

you get 10 for voidling right? so its a net 0 then

with a -10 opportunity cost i suppose

i checked wiki cause i forgot if mith and voidling were different but they are both 10

[brazen sluice]

last time i checked you got 0 from voidling

[full apex]

it should be a win same as mith and grant 10

[brazen sluice]

either way its still a loss

[steady stone]

I always hear this argument with no source. Hypothetically it should be +10 -10 and +10 again but people say that voidling doesn't give you coins if you do Mithrix first.

[full apex]

kinda, its like a theoretical loss if its net 0

[brazen sluice]

with gaining 40 for beating it, it would basically be a gamble at that point. spend 20 coins for a double-or-nothing fight

[brazen sluice]

no cuz you still spend 10 on petting the frog

[full apex]

because you dont end the run, but you fight voidling without an entire run in front of it so you arent losing out on a ton.

[steady stone]

Voidling portal through frog is an Easter egg anyway. You could just end the run, but the whole point is for fun

[full apex]

you just end with nothing i think?

idk
it sounds like theres some conflicts on how it all would act so i kinda wanna test it out sometime

[steady stone]

The legit way to go to voidling is natural portal or vields

[full apex]

using console to get to mith or voidling or both should be pretty fast

[steady stone]

Yeah I'm just not home ATM, so can't test it personally.

[full apex]

this would be the best case

[steady stone]

Although I'm curious. Ping me if you find out, since this gets brought up so much.

[full apex]

i used to know this 100% but i just dont rember anymore

i mean for a second i thought voidling gave 15 lol, thats wrong. 15 is from beads of fealty.

[steady stone]

It's been diluted so much nowadays that the source from both sides is just "trust me I read it from someone"

[brazen sluice]

if voidling drops 10, then its a loss of 10. cuz mithrix himself doesnt drop the coins, escaping with the pod drops the coins. do you forefiet those 10 and then spend 10 on the frog

[steady stone]

Mithrix gives you coins

I don't think it's just from beating the game since other methods aren't the same

And he definitely counts as a legit enemy that could be assigned an on death trigger for it since he can drop lunar coins.

Or at least he could drop em last time I checked, been a while since it's rare.

[brazen sluice]

no im talking about the 10 you get from winning

[full apex]

Ive never had him drop a coin, the odds of that happening should be insanely rare

[steady stone]

I've had it once, only once

[full apex]

I believe no reason impossible, just you'll have likely lowered the chance in the run beforehand so it would be really funny to see

[steady stone]

I have a screenshot on my PC of it

[brazen sluice]

yea he can drop a single coin on death, but the 10 "victory reward" coins are only given upon using the escape pod

[full apex]

Ill try it out really quick

[steady stone]

The way I would assume it works is either a trigger for "if kill final boss" or one for each boss. If it uses one trigger for all bosses it would be once, if one for each it would probably be per boss.

I do think a net gain of 0 would make sense though, since one trigger for all seems reasonable. Remember glass frog isn't like an official thing though, an Easter egg.

[brazen sluice]

either way i personally think post mithrix voidling should be a double-or-nothing challenge. more interesting that way. gives a legit reason to fight it

[steady stone]

Honestly give it a more in depth way to get there on commencement instead of more coins

Right now glass frog is as official as the UPDOG robots on siren's call

[full apex]

whats UPDOG

[brazen sluice]

updog robots?

[steady stone]

There's two robots that blink Morse code. Broken solus things.

There's also a huge island filled with literal Easter eggs, if you didn't know.

[full apex]

wait is this real and not meme

[steady stone]

Siren's call has 2 robots that blink UPDOG

[brazen sluice]

yea i knew about that one lol

[full apex]

holy shit i forgot about the fractured eggs!!! its been so long since i went there

[steady stone]

Games need more Easter eggs lol

[brazen sluice]

ive had some planned out for a while actually for the game i eventually wana make

[steady stone]

Remember to have fun with em, since they're more important to the devs than the players honestly.

That can be said about all indie dev really

[brazen sluice]

tropical islands, one very far away has a bunch of eggs on it and a sign that says "welcome to easter island"

[full apex]

alright heres case 1

i start a new run for a better view but you can actually see the coins get added in the whiteout.

[steady stone]

..- .--. -.. --- --. Is the Morse code btw. Give or take the one at the end, could be a period.

[brazen sluice]

so whats updog even mean anyway?

[steady stone]

[brazen sluice]

it sounds like some meme im unfamiliar with

[full apex]

froge

and finally voidling after froge

[steady stone]

start a new one to see the coin count

see if it went back up

[full apex]

mith was no gain, stayed at 77. petting froge drops to 67. after killing voidling nothing happened. after hitting the portal, you can see it go to 77 in the whiteout but i had it on 10x speed lol

in a new run its confirmed to be at 77

[steady stone]

so net 0. makes sense

[full apex]

so killing the bosses does nothing, its tied to the end event when it moves to the credits. therefore, killing mith or voidling and ending is +10, killing mith and froge is -10, but voilding is +10, for net 0

[steady stone]

i would assume they use an if statement something like "if (kill final boss = true) {give 10 coins}" where any of them trips the true/false

ran at the end

[brazen sluice]

no, net loss of 10 because youd be at 687 if you had just taken the escape

loss of 20 if voidling kills you

so theres literally a disincentive for fighting it

[full apex]

i dont think so

its an opportunity cost loss, but you dont need an entire extra run so that opportunity cost is not the same as starting an entirely new run

you skip the 10 from a win at mith, but you could have just gone to voidling instead if that makes sense. i do think it would be nice to net positive though

[brazen sluice]

eh the way i look at it is you are spending the 10 coins you would have gotten from the escape in order to fight it

and spending 10 more if you loose

[full apex]

i think spending 10 for an easter egg is a fine way of viewing it

[brazen sluice]

its considered an easter egg? i thought it was supposed to be a "new final boss"

[full apex]

fighting both bosses is definitely an EE in my eyes

the froge was one before, but no function. so now they gave it a function

[steady stone]

voidling is official but not through glass frog

[full apex]

you arent likely to bother going there if you dont already know it exists

[steady stone]

that's a reference to the lore

the official way is vields or the natural portal post-loop

[brazen sluice]

speaking of lore and lunar coins, do you think the persistence of coins through runs and everything else time related with the newt suggests that each run you do is just a different parallel timiline and each one links back to the same newt bizzar?

[analog brook]

I'm late and don't have the screenshot on hand and the link doesn't work but I can confirm that Preston from gearbox confirmed that they found a glitch that makes elites spawn twice as often past stage 2 and they're patching it in the next update

[full apex]

i dont think its a bug

everything lines up perfectly as a deliberate thing, T1.5 is the cause and twice as often makes sense since its close to half the cost. it also only enables from stage 3+, so past stage 2 makes total sense

they might patch it anyways but i really cant imagine how you would accidentally add an entirely new mechanic

unless theres a second bug spawning 4x as much via doubling the already boosted t1.5 spawns

[primal terrace]

Personally adding a new tier of elite that just spawn in twice as much as normal elites is a bit... let's call it a weird decision in the first place

[full apex]

it would be fine if their stats were properly compensated

its annoying have elites be ambiguous like you cant tell if it will give you less money than others now

but idk

[analog brook]

Could be. Afaik this is the only official confirmation of it so I'm just going off of what's told teehee

Found the screenshot so I thought I should send it here

[full apex]

wtf weird

i wonder if they are just saying its a bug lmao

[primal terrace]

wonderful

[analog brook]

Admittedly it would be funny.

I mean kinda everything is so who knows

[brazen sluice]

just like how they said "tieing everything to fps was just a 'bug' that sOmEtImEs happens and was not due to any structural changes made to the code" even though modders went in and literally found where they changed the structure of the code to straight up tie logic to fps

[full apex]

apparently that was tied to a compiler issue

so its definitely a bug but i dont think it necessarily a programmer issue, compilers are funny. though i am surprised it got through testing

this will always be a classic to me tho

[full apex]

Mfw

[vapid swan]

Also I’m sniping this for next time someone complains about a bug in our gc

[rapid current]

what is that

[full apex]

What do you mean?

I was just testing lunar coin rewards from bosses

[hasty glen]

Currently at stage 5, how do I loop back instead of fighting the king of nothing?

[full apex]

.

although all ways to leave that arent moon aligned porter will loop. that includes like blue/gold portal or going to the artifact portal

[hasty glen]

Oop, that's my bad. I didn't check through the pinned messages

[full apex]

nw!

[flint idol]

is there a way to check the artifact of deviotion inven?

[full apex]

without console commands, i dont think so. with them, yea i actually literally just learned this command exists haha

i think it comes from debug toolkit though.

[left trellis]

I think there's a mod that shows their inventory on the player list but I don't remember if it's been updated for SOTS

ah, yeah. it exists but it's deprecated, so it likely doesn't work
https://thunderstore.io/package/Nuxlar/DevotionInventoryDisplay/

[rapid current]

can u use comand in console

[full apex]

i dont think so. and it doesnt have modding for the improved console commands i dont think

[rapid current]

what is artifact of devotution

[full apex]

replaces drones with lil pods, you give the pod an item and a friendly lem pops out

they all get the items you give so like they always have the same items

[quasi crystal]

shipping request gaming

[rapid current]

can u get 10 shipping rwquest in one stage

[full apex]

probably? ive never seriously played with it so i actually dont know. is shipping request form aiblacklist? or i think you cant give lems turret blacklist items either

[rapid current]

pov executive card

i got like 5 in one stage

5 ship request shop

how to win the game 10 steps get red get item drop on elite get greens give lemurian shipping request get executive card go next stage get 20 legendaryes

[rancid jewel]

anyone got any tips on how to get both stage 20 and commandos grenade at the same time

[rapid current]

simple

[rapid current]

do u have void?

[rancid jewel]

dlc?

if then, yeah

[rapid current]

get soldier siringes void teddys mocas and get atgs clover and ibcm

and ukulele normal

[rancid jewel]

thanks👍

[rapid current]

and for yellow get ligthining

[supple crater]

quick question

can the acid/poison ticks do crits ?

like if i have 9 glasses 1 hunter instinct and 1 scythe

[jaunty zinc]

pretty sure it's blacklisted same as turrets

[jaunty zinc]

pretty sure acrid poison is a status effect so it's unaffected by survivor stats

[supple crater]

oh ok

[full apex]

no. it gains damage from like focus crystal or ap rounds, but it cannot crit because its a DoT effect. blight and bleed and burn are the same way

[supple crater]

and btw is blight better than acid/poison ?

[brazen sluice]

hey @full apex i got one for you: what is the logic behind enemies (especially golems) randomly jumping like 20ft in the air right before you go to shoot at them? is it an intentional "if player is aiming at them then jump" script or is it just some wierd quirk with their pathfinding?

[full apex]

if its not fin, its probably pathing jankery

they dont bother dodging

@supple crater i was talking it about it a bit before around here

[vale hollow]

Nope blight is TERRIBLE. Poison is better. Wish blight was good, it's a fun playstyle if it was.

[full apex]

blight is pretty good tbh, the idea that poison is infinitely better is kinda misguided but whenver people stop talking about them it becomes public opinion again

a lot of streamers have decided to die on that hill no matter what

[vale hollow]

I really wanted to like blight. To be clear, it's not like you can't win playing with blight, it just feels bad. I tried maxing out CDR and I still couldn't get enough stacks to do respectable damage on anything.

[full apex]

on most smaller enemies 2 stacks is enough

although i guess as the game is right now poison got a bit of an indirect buff because more elites are spawning for less cost than before

which means enemy health values are being bloated from stage 3 onwards

elites have a pretty fair hp multiplier so poison would get more value more easily.

[supple crater]

oh ok

[full apex]

poison is more consistent, especially later on and against bosses and in multiplayer

[rapid current]

I got 5 in one match with lemyrians

[jaunty zinc]

then it's not blacklisted and you can get an infinite amount

[brazen sluice]

yea not fin, been happening for years

[wary spruce]

Does happiest mask work on the final bosses? (mithrix, voidling, false son)

Yes, yes it does

[eternal storm]

poison is generally better as you can play more defensively and get just as much if not more damage but since it does not stack if you are in multiplayer and there are multiple acrid users 1 poison user and the rest blight would be more helpful than all poison

[eternal storm]

i mean yeah but not like you can really do much with that the threat is already dead

[wary spruce]

False son phase one/two Ghost stays for phase 2 and 3

[eternal storm]

oh i didnt know that counted as kills
does this work for mithrix too?

[wary spruce]

Yes

[eternal storm]

neat

[wary spruce]

And voidling, although idk if the ghost follows you through the stage portal rift thing

[eternal storm]

it could but i doubt it

[full apex]

the voidling fight all takes place in one giant map, im not sure the ghost would move around

[brazen sluice]

god im so tired of seeing queens glands, ESPECIALLY on captain

every single time i get a bunch of the to more dangerous enemies stuck in a static trap, that asshole has to go over and mess it all up.

literally just got me killed. it was fine. it was peaceful. the swarm of gilded elder lemurians and their army of elite imps were all nice and trapped, and then my dumbass beetle guard was like "MUST SMASH!"

[potent plover]

are the order of maps chosen by what hour it is? ive gotten scorched acres 6 times in a row while trying to open the timed chest in rally point delta?

[brazen sluice]

completely random, but if you have the lunar coins for it, you can go through the bizzar out of time on stage 2 and choose what map you want. 2/3 chance rallypoint will be one of the two maps offered

[potent plover]

is the spinel tonic bugged? ive used it 15 times and every single time ive gotten 1-3 stacks of affliction?

[rancid jewel]

What's the best loadout for mul-t?

[flint idol]

i think i read somewhere that tri tip and shatterspleen cant proc at the same time, as in you can't apply 2 bleed in 1 hit, is it true?

[stuck flare]

So when my friend joins my lobby and we enter a game, he is always in spectator mode and can't do a thing
But when I join his lobby, we can play just fine, except I get lag on my end
Might that be internet issues or something?

[dim summit]

did the mercenary momentum bug against flying enemies get patched?

[flint idol]

when i type dump_inventories in the console it didnt work am i missing something?

[serene vector]

mostly yes, its either too difficult to do or impossible now

[full apex]

if you have CDR, it applies all queued ones when it runs out. so if you use it a few times without dropping the buff, it can give multiple at once.

[full apex]

correct at first it double applied, but nowadaysit cannot. one or the other

[full apex]

also for this, you might need debugtoolkit which is a mod

i think its not a vanilla command if it isnt working

[potent plover]

the ingame description is very misleading

thanks

[full apex]

it just rolls the dice when you use it, but applies when it runs out

if you have too much CDR and are using it more frequently than needed for 100% uptime, it just queues more afflictions. it is affected by luck, so purity is very bad and clover will help a ton

[primal quartz]

What is this-
It's not modded or anything and there's no logbook

(speaking about the enemy in the middle)

[graceful dust]

Is that a xi contrust

It seems like major contrust from the unused body list

[ornate gust]

Someone said theres a bug that makes the old xi construct spawn in the ambry

[full apex]

yea i heard that too, an unused enemy could spawn in there only

[ornate gust]

I kinda wanna see it myself

[full apex]

im looking for it rn

in the character body list

[ornate gust]

Ah cool ok

[full apex]

ok i found it, its pretty cool lookin

[ornate gust]

Its a massive alpha construct

[full apex]

funuy

[ornate gust]

And its a pillar

Very cools

[primal quartz]

Oh, sick, thanks guys!

[full apex]

i wanted to see the death anim, and noticed it start moving up so i spawned another. i didnt expect him to just kinda elevate so high hahaha

[ornate gust]

he so goofy

[full apex]

i wonder if it was designed around a specific map where youd have to climb something to reach him at low hp

its called major construct

[primal quartz]

Coolest concept- climbing the boss-

[ornate gust]

Our current construct goes wayyy higher than this one does

[full apex]

o shit wait he came back down and got a shield again

sec

hes pretty neat

must just be that they want him to be hard to shoot/unmeleeable until he comes back down or smth

[ornate gust]

Bro its so tall

[full apex]

seems all he does is laser. im not sure what if anything the shield does, might be unfinished idk. i dont care enough to try and dig it up or smth haha

but otherwise he just beams u

[ornate gust]

Gonna have to go all the way to the top of helminths hatchery to hit this thing

Pretty cool nonetheless

Also whats the console command that lets you spawn in a stage of your choosing?

Or is there a mod that makes this easier

[full apex]

debug toolkit 10000% if you want console commands to be powerful and usable haha

[topaz fulcrum]

do you think 8 false son dashes is enough to pillar skip

[ornate gust]

Ahh okok i heard about that one tyty

[full apex]

i use next_stage, either it just moves you on or you can pick a scene. idk if thats dbtk, set_scene also exists

i think next stage moves you on and maybe set scene doesnt? i dont rember haha.

[ornate gust]

All good i'll figure it out

[ornate gust]

Probably, if your previous dashes refresh then yeah

[full apex]

im pretty comfortable with the console by now, so if you are curious about anything i might be able to help. for the most part if you think you can do something, you probably can? like spawning ai or interactables, giving items or buffs, changing chars, setting stage, timescale and time setting, etc

[topaz fulcrum]

it toally was
some movement speed juices this thing

[full apex]

debugtoolkit is unreasonably powerful haha.

[ornate gust]

I wanted to learn how to use the console just to mess around with it, is there more commands than the list of commands given in the wiki?

[full apex]

is it just the ror2 wiki? or for dbtk specifically

[ornate gust]

Just the ror2 wiki

[full apex]

dbtk adds a ton of commands, a lot of which have helpful autocompletes

[ornate gust]

Ahh i see

Very cool

I'll be sure to ask if theres anything specific id wanna end up doing ty

[full apex]

yea right off the bat i dont see dump inventories or buffs, which i know chinchi added to dbtk, no next stage, no spawn ai, so the wiki is probably base game

most of the really powerful tools will come from the mod. i think the base game dev console also has limitations and weird stuff with what it considers cheats, dbtk bypasses that so you dont need to worry about it

but yea if you are wanting to mess around or test something out and arent seeing a command for it, it might be called something you wouldnt assume.

since i know one of the devs for it i could also ask them as well

[ornate gust]

Thats good to know

[ornate gust]

Yeah makes sense, code naming conventions probably different from what they are called in the outside

[full apex]

early on it didnt have nearly as much autocomplete as it does nowadays, so its significantly more accessible now

like i had written down the parameters for spawn ai cause i kept forgetting haha, or i wrote down what the elite indexes are. but nowadays when you start typing the command it will tell you what its parameters are, and if you start typing for one it will suggest what you might be looking for

[ornate gust]

The future is now it seems

[full apex]

much more intuitive

[ornate gust]

Thats pretty cool

Kudos to the people who created the mod

[full apex]

mhm mhm. so you might just be able to figure it out on your own honestly

[ornate gust]

Awesome, cant wait to mess around with stuff

[full apex]

best of luck! its pretty fun messing around with item combos, or hidden items, or like playing as a magma worm or something lmao

a lot of commands, you can enter a players name after. so if you ever play with your friends, as long as you are the host, you can be a trickster god and pull shenans like turning them into a beetle or inserting benthic bloom directly into their inventory haha

[ornate gust]

Lmaoooo, trolling shall commence hehehe

Games are truly amazing

[full apex]

one time i was playing with friends, and i recreated the effect from rorr. when they died i respawned them as a gunner drone haha

[ornate gust]

Thats kinda cool tho lmfao

[graceful dust]

False son seeing mithrix bringing the lunar chimera with him

[graceful dust]

Switch teams to monster and spawn as phase 4 mithrix to troll your friends

[full apex]

i wonder what would happen

p4 mith automatically starts the item succ when he spawns, i wonder if youd yoink your friends items or not haha

[ornate gust]

Thats what they get for yoinking my items

[graceful dust]

If somebody else has debugtoolkit just uh be careful

[ornate gust]

Experimentation

[graceful dust]

Somebody once also had debugtoolkit when I had it and they spawn in so much stuff it was hell

I mean 10 /spawn_ai brotherhaunt hell

[full apex]

i think only the host can use commands? ive tried it before as a client, but maybe it requires everyone to have it installed?

[graceful dust]

Somehow other people can if they have the mod

A random got debugtoolkit in my lobby and chaos happened

I think you are able to get rid of their commands via a command

[ornate gust]

Using the commands to destroy the commands

[flint idol]

how do i get to Viscous Falls? ive never been there b4

[quasi crystal]

Looping or you could use a mod that allows it to be early

[ornate gust]

THIS IS SO COOL

I CAN SPAWN AS MITHRIX LMAO

[hushed slate]

does harvesting sycthe work with aigis? i have aegis but i feel like i never get any barrier

[glacial knoll]

All non regen healing works with Aegis, it's just a very small amount of barrier with 1 scythe that quickly goes away since barrier decays

[hushed slate]

i think i see it now, might just have to get more sycthes

[full apex]

Aegis only stores half your healing per stack, usually you need more on the % healing side of things to get noticeable effect. Rejuv rack can help.

Barrier decays 3.3% ish of your max hp per second, you'll need to generate more than that to see profit

An easy example is wungus, it heals 2% per stack. Since aegis gets half, it stores 1% per stack. So with 3 stacks, its barely not enough by itself. With 4, you should be able to see profit.

[glacial knoll]

Scythe is plenty healing if you're like commando but yeah Monster Tooth or Deskplant or even Bungus often help more with keeping up Aegis

[hushed slate]

im running huntress and entering stage 5 rlly dont have any healing so i might get rejuv

if im looking forward for single target damage should i stack atg or rather kjaro bands?

i got 57 clover which i assume will benefit atg more

[full apex]

Yea probably atg

Atg can proc kjaros

[hushed slate]

ooo atg becomes 19% bcs of clover

[full apex]

Yea. Try and find one or both of the perforators

They'll ramp each other and multiple 3+x multipliers chained is pretty ridiculous

[trim spindle]

Are there any resources/advice on efficient full clearing maps?
post eclipse 6 im regularly reaching ~10 minutes a stage and i feel like i can go faster when im seeing other peoples stage 4s at like 25 minutes and im 15 minutes later than that. money feels so slow and pathing is a headache when i dont have stuff like hooves

[full apex]

Looting is slowed down right now, with the addition of t1.5 elites. Enemy stats are effectively bloated compared to pre dlc, but gearbox has said they plan to address it

Just something to keep in mind. Your income should be the same but individual elites may take more time to kill for the same amount of gold.

[hushed slate]

just looped planning to get mithrix on stage 11, no dlc, what can i probably improve here?

[full apex]

Perforators will be big, meathook is a great addition but won't do much against mith. I'd grab at least one uke/lute, having one of each proc chain item will ramp your damage a lot. Is icbm no dlc? I forget. If you can get it it will be good but i assume youd have had one haha

[hushed slate]

ooh icbm will be good for my atg

[full apex]

Bands will be a bit inconsistent but having a few is probably still good

If you're willing to do lunars, tonic is a massive stats buff. 1 gesture and 3 more of fuel cell or gesture is enough for full uptime, but you dont want to have more and need to be very careful with p4 as mith will steal your gestures and you'll probably get some afflictions. Though clover makes it way less likely.

Otherwise yea its looking pretty solid, if you aren't feeling any major deficiencies thats good news

[hushed slate]

i want to do lunars but apparently i have like 3 coins left lol

and idk how to unlock gesture ive always struggled on pushing the hermit crabs all the way to the edge of titanic plains

[full apex]

Ah gotcha. Yea is annoying but not too bad if you go for it specifically. Rex and black hole, build items with command that won't naturally kill them, and loop. Seer for plains, and just stay there killing non crabs and funneling crabs

I think thats how I did it

Like tesla is an avoid if you are trying for that

I dont remember if using frailty to crater them in abyssal works. I remember thinking it did, and thinking it didn't, so idk anymore lol

[hushed slate]

i think i rlly gotta adress the mithrix fight now

would like 4 fuel cells and royal capacitator be good to burst him down

at least to get my items back

[quasi crystal]

Command is boring

[full apex]

It could work, capacitor puts out fairly good dps. If you can manage a second or third clover you can boost the odds of a capacitor atg proc. And if you get your hands on charged perforator, getting a little lucky could cause an absurd damage spike. 5 atg is 15x damage, and just 1 cherf would 5x that which is already 75x. 75x3000 is over 200k% lol

Ofc that wouldn't help right away in phase 4 but capacitor in general is very safe for p4 because it has infinite range. If you just want burst for p4, preon puts out a ton of damage, the tendrils can get pretty substantial dps and the burst is big.

You can just stand on the ramps, back up when he shoots at you, and peek for cap or ballista inbetween volleys.

[hushed slate]

ooh since im running fuel cells 4 preon also sounds awesome

[graceful dust]

One time I gave all lunar heretic items to enemies with artifact of evolution

Let's say uh it didn't turn out well

[quasi crystal]

What happened

[tight adder]

how to complete chef: barbequed bison recipe complete

[graceful dust]

Everybody got bodied because of the homing shards

and the screen became so damn laggy because of the heretic transformation effect

[quasi crystal]

Keep resetting for shattered abode, bisons spawn there

[ornate gust]

Did they all become heretic

[graceful dust]

Yes

[ornate gust]

Amazing

[quasi crystal]

Yeah that's genuinely funny

[trim narwhal]

can happen without console, just need evo and eulogy

[steady stone]

Also can happen in vields with eulogy I believe. Much harder though.

[sleek token]

It might be a dumb question but

Is there a reliable way to find Clay dune Striders in abandoned aqueducts?

I'm trying to do REX unlocks and it seems like there was a mass clay dune strider extintion there

I can't find any and it's been like 10 runs

[glass marsh]

I'm really struggling to avoid the grand parent. Even when I get behind cover it just starts giving me overheat stacks. Is there a trick to avoid the solar flare?

[ornate gust]

Nope just luck friend

[sleek token]

😦

[ornate gust]

Get behind cover before he does the attack, theres an animation of it so you probably got the stacks from the time you were in the zone and getting to cover, those burn and sun stacks stack HARD, so gotta prepare beforehand

[glass marsh]

Thankyou for the tip!

[ornate gust]

No probs, and know that he does the attack when hes at low health, around 25% i believe, like the wandering vagrant so keep an eye on his health bar

[willow shoal]

hey, if you beat false son on moonsoon do you get both skins?

[ornate gust]

It does count as beating the game so id assume yep

[willow shoal]

oh oki

[ornate gust]

Same goes to voidling aswell

[willow shoal]

and can you continue after beating false son?

[ornate gust]

Yep

[willow shoal]

nice

[ornate gust]

U get the choice between rebirth and looping

[willow shoal]

oki c:

[wicked epoch]

When you use a Sale Star in Delusion, which of the 2+ items that drops do you need to remember? There's no way to tell which was the "original"

[ornate gust]

U need to remember the original

Thats the whole point of delusion

U pick which item u got from that chest before, otherwise it steals that item if u pick wrong

[wicked epoch]

Ok. I just opened a Purple Chest. I got a Warbanner and a Stun Grenade. When it comes time to seal the chests and reopen them, how do I know which of those two items is the "original"?

[ornate gust]

Ohhhhh

[wicked epoch]

They both came out at the same time

[ornate gust]

My bad i read ur msg wrong

That is a good question, i would assume both are correct, test it out

[ornate gust]

It probably only shows u one of those 2 items in the chest that u have to pick

Like it probably wont show u warbanner and stun grenade as two options

It'll probably show u either warbanner with 2 different options, or stun grenade with 2 different options

[willow shoal]

HOW TF DO I REGAIN MY SKILLS ON THE FALSE SON?

[supple crater]

what does the 3rd effect do ?

[ornate gust]

Thats the corrupted version of the kjaro's and runalds band

Singularity band

[wicked epoch]

[ornate gust]

Yep

[supple crater]

ye i just noticed

[ornate gust]

Honestly idek, i keep dying at his laser dude

[wicked epoch]

SadBand

[willow shoal]

same :/

[trim narwhal]

geode

[supple crater]

it changed because of this

damnit

[willow shoal]

you needa break the pillars?

[trim narwhal]

if ur disabled and u use one

[ornate gust]

Ahh thats why they exist, not just for the barrier

[trim narwhal]

also cleanses lunar ruin

[willow shoal]

it'll give back?

[trim narwhal]

yes

[willow shoal]

o nice

[trim narwhal]

i think cleanses all debuff including bands but i havent tested

[sacred bridge]

Is it possible to get overloading worm boss while using artifact of kin? Interested for commando’s achievement

[glacial knoll]

Technically yes but would need to be a really long run and very rare still

[sacred bridge]

Thanks

[ornate gust]

Apparently thats wrong and you do have to guess which is kinda weird...

[glacial knoll]

Doesn't delusion just always try to delude you with other items you have or got that stage

[ornate gust]

I got both the antlers and monster teeth from this chest cuz of sale star, but ig the monster tooth was the correct option?

[ornate gust]

So would I need more items in my inventory

[glacial knoll]

I can test it one sec

QoL chests mod makes delusion not work damn

[ornate gust]

Rip lmao

[glacial knoll]

Idk why my computer doubled 2 of videos but alright

[ornate gust]

Yeah discord lags out sometimes

And the video player sucks shit takin way too long to load

[ornate gust]

Right so it does matter how many items you have

[glacial knoll]

It seems to be whatever item you picked up Last

[ornate gust]

Ohhh interesting

[glacial knoll]

Makes sense that the "Delusion rememberer" wouldn't have a list of items. But it is interesting that it just sets it to to most recent one

[ornate gust]

Could add it to the wiki as a neat tidbit

Altho i spose if ur doing delusion and get a handful of items from one chest with some sale stars its good to know

[glacial knoll]

yeah I can add that sure

[ornate gust]

Awesome

[glacial knoll]

I guess that's also why Recycler works fine

[ornate gust]

Pretty cool

Oh yeah, the zoea cant be rerolled?

[wicked epoch]

it's the only item in its category, so yeah

[ornate gust]

Thats what i assumed yeah

Makes sense

Also got that drop from a void family event kinda cool

[wicked epoch]

nice if you don't already have any yellows you care about, yeah

but also being unable to ever get any in the future is kind of a bummer

[ornate gust]

I anyway died in this run

This is an old screenshot that i forgor to send before

I died to false sons laser, well not really i died to the stone golems laser while tryna hide from the false sons laser

The boomerang lowkey underrated i feel like

[eternal storm]

yea mainly because the 30% dmg looks abysmal but its actually 30% of sawmerangs damage and not base damage which means that the damage is actually not shit

also proc items well

[ornate gust]

Oh yeah and it does like bleed too cuz of the sawmerang right

[signal fulcrum]

The stunning effect isnt half bad

[signal fulcrum]

It only inflicts bleed if sawmerang is in your inventory

[peak jacinth]

I mean it’s basically just a very very good stun grenade no? I’d probably still consider it decent for a bunch of characters even without damage

[signal fulcrum]

Yeah, it basically trivializes non-boss enemies

[eternal storm]

stun in general seems to be stronger

i think its bugged to stack weirdly or something because when i used commando's suppressing fire on some random enemy they were stunned for like 10 seconds

[peak jacinth]

oh did they make stun stack?

[peak jacinth]

yea I mean 3x the proc chance and can hit multiple enemies, seems like a great stun option

[eternal storm]

i think because idk what else would make the stun ridiculously long

im able to completely neutralize elder lemurians with suppressive fire alone

[peak jacinth]

huh, maybe it’s a bug on specific enemies

I’ll keep perma stunning enemies with mult in the meantime

[eternal storm]

maybe but it seems to work on everything thats stunnable

[eternal storm]

yea thats nice to have

[peak jacinth]

oh lol, I read the elder lem message as ‘unable’

[eternal storm]

oh

[brazen briar]

Does anyone else play RoR2 on xbox and find the aim/sensitivity settings really weird? I’m not sure what exactly is wrong with it but it feels like no matter which settings I try and tweak it still ends up feeling very clunky/inconsistent, making it very hard to fine tune aim while also being able to turn around quickly and making me keep dropping the game even though I really want to play it in concept. Do any other console players have any solutions/tips regarding these settings in question or do I just hafta suck it up

Sorry for length lol I put this in Reddit but it gained zero traction

[peak jacinth]

you could ask around in #ror2-console-discussion too since there are way more console players there

[brazen briar]

Bet

[glass flicker]

Huh. My friend said she’s soft locked in the bulwarks ambry. The key hasn’t spawned? Is it broken rn?

[old yoke]

No issues a few days ago when I did it for a few relics. Maybe it's an issue with specific layout.

[hasty lotus]

Can anyone help me setup Xbox split screen I have no idea how to do it?

[peak jacinth]

how long has she been there? could the key have just not spawned yet?

[steady stone]

If the enemies are taking a long time to spawn I believe that is just a bug. I think just playing for long enough causes it, since it uses so many director points to summon the scavs.

But the key is also not guaranteed after X enemies I believe, random drop.

[peak jacinth]

I agree with both those statements

[steady stone]

I try to give correct information but lord knows half of it is outdated since I haven't played in a while lol

[glacial knoll]

If the starting Key isn't immediately there either it should just respawn again

[steady stone]

Also there shouldnt be a soft lock with the keys. I believe multiple can spawn at once, while they get wiped every time one is used.

[glacial knoll]

yeah all keys are removed from the world and inventories

There is a softlock if it's like stage 50 and only scavs can spawn and there's no room I guess

[steady stone]

Summary for not getting key is basically just wait. Enemies spawn eventually but it takes longer based on how long the run is.

Always been a thing but rarely applicable

[peak jacinth]

yea sometimes you can get unlucky and just not get a key for a long ass time

[steady stone]

I'm late but if the settings seem to not change anything, it could very much be a controller issue. That would be the next thing I check, especially if it happens for other games. Might just need to take it apart and mess with the joystick.

Also autoaim levels I believe exist in settings. That might be getting rid of smooth movements.

That or stick sensitivity where the less you move it the slower it moves etc.

[next parrot]

Is there a reason why I can't play multyplayer right now?

[steady stone]

Are you on steam?

[next parrot]

yes

[steady stone]

Could you elaborate on what's happening?

There's been a few reports of their lobbies working certain ways

Wanna see if it lines up

[next parrot]

I'm trying to play with one of my friends but it will only send the host into the game

[steady stone]

But public lobbies work fine right?

[next parrot]

i can check

[steady stone]

That's the scenario I've been hearing from other people.

Which I think might just be a gearbox problem

[next parrot]

public lobbies seem to work fine

[steady stone]

The obvious step one is turning off crossplay

If that doesn't work try both turning it on

Since it seems different people have different fixes since this is a very prominent bug. I'm actually using #1172187541349347429 and the others as a source

[brazen briar]

I think it’s more just a game thing cuz I play overwatch too and I’ve gotten good settings and it feels good. I think it’s the way console in ror has like aim acceleration that’s the main thing I don’t like the feel of

[steady stone]

But uh short answer might be there's nothing you can do
https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1280065589595078727

Unless you find something in one of the bug reports, I haven't heard many solutions

[steady stone]

They also play different
One uses positioning and preemptive movement and one doesnt

Unless you're in silver

[next parrot]

I tested crosplay and it works great

[steady stone]

good to hear.

it seems turning it off works for some people, turning it on works for others, and some people are doomed lmao

[brazen briar]

😭 I’m in gold lolll but diamond for supp >:3

[steady stone]

to elaborate on this though, where you put your cursor/crosshair is very different in both games

[brazen briar]

It’s mostly just like being able to kill little wisps and stuff while shmoovin around the map without it feeling like I’m moving my stick a million times in a minute

[hasty lotus]

Anyway someone can help?

[brazen briar]

Isn’t it just like…in the game

Like you connect a second controller and boom

I saw it last time I booted the game up but don’t have anyone to play with locally pfff

[steady stone]

yeah i'm pretty sure just connect the controller and press start

it should work the same way as any other game

[hasty lotus]

We’ve tried every button on the controller

Nothings working

But we don’t got the dlc

[steady stone]

as long as you are in the latest version that has support for the DLC it should work

[solid tree]

how does stacking sale starts work

[full apex]

Gives an increasing chance for >2 items, up to 5 iirc

[solid tree]

wait so the 2items aren t guarranteed

[full apex]

Its kinda weird, tbh I'd recommend peeking at the wiki if you are curious the formula for more stuff

2 is for sure, 3+ is not

[peak jacinth]

2 items are, each stack gives a chance to give 3+

[full apex]

Apparently it's affected by luck too. But the max payout is 5

[solid tree]

i knew there is going to be an cap but i thought after that just tiem rarity could be rerolled

[full apex]

Nope

[solid tree]

so what would be the most efficent amount with it equation

[full apex]

How many items is good enough?

[solid tree]

the moment that the further stacks don t matter 3-4 is nice

or return is like id need 30more for the next guarranteed item

[full apex]

There's a table on here. I wonder if i should throw together a spreadsheet some time tracking the increases.
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Sale_Star

It seems to stack pretty slowly but maybe the end avg items is faster. Its hard to tell just looking at %s for each count

An average items at each point would be nice to have but i havent made anything like that yet

[cinder kettle]

When I select DLCs I want to include in a run, does highlighting it in gold do anything? Is it like a favorite selection thing?

Also, are spider mines or normal mines better on engineer?

[twin cedar]

So at what point does stacking tougher times become irrelevant as in when do I just not take hits

[vapid swan]

It doesn’t scale linearly, so never.

[hoary sedge]

spider mines are waaaay better, they don't do that much less than regular and you can actually reliability hit stuff with them

[full apex]

Spider 100%

Normal mines are awkward and slow, and cant be used as burst by just tossing at enemies. Their aoe size scales up but detection range doesn't, so they can whiff and do nothing very easily

[twin cedar]

but the game says each stack is a bonus 15% chance?

[vapid swan]

Yes, I was trying to think of the exact math

But it starts at 15%, then from there it just basically shrinks the remaining portion so it can never actually reach 100%

[full apex]

TT cant ever hit 100% functionally. As an average effect, each stack will behave like a linear % max hp increase, with the effect consistently reaching the average easier at high stacks and the avg having wide variance at low stacks

[cinder kettle]

What about the gold border on the dlc thing? Am I literally just selecting it?

[simple coyote]

how often does helfire tick? it’s 2.5% max hp per second but does it tick once per second; what max hp does it take per tick.
for the maxhp to RAP ratio

[vapid swan]

Oh found it

223696201 tougher times for 100% because of rounding on floating point numbers (lol)

[twin cedar]

Ohhhh

[hoary sedge]

iirc that's a thing for multiplayer lobbies, I think it's either to force it to be enabled as host or to vote for it but idrk

[twin cedar]

Jesus

[full apex]

TT is hyperbolic, so its effect is dividing a linearly increasing value. As the value approaches infinity from 1, the flip approaches 0 from 1

[vapid swan]

But yea, stuff like tougher times and flashbangs that pretty much just make you invulnerable or an enemy worthless can’t ever really hit 100%

[cinder kettle]

Alright

[full apex]

Idk if that makes sense.
Example, with 200% on top, 1/2 is 0.5. With 300% on top, 1/3 is 0.33. 500% would be 0.2

Since one end is increasing to infinity but the other is limited between 0% and 100%, it starts to slow down as the number gets bigger

Thats why theoretically without rounding jank, taking 0% damage (100% blocked) is impossible. It would require infinite stacks

[twin cedar]

So question what would my chance be with 10?

[full apex]

Ticks 5 times per sec

[vapid swan]

Equation is 1-1/(1+.15*10)

10 TTs is 60% block chance

[twin cedar]

Man I'm so glad you people aren't dumb like me

[vapid swan]

So still crazy, plus I think it’s affected by clovers (?)

[twin cedar]

It says it isn't

"not effected by luck"

[full apex]

Theres a lot of 1-,or 1+ managing signs on %s, so it looks more intimidating than it is functionally

Like when you calc damage taken, you have to do 1-that to get damage blocked.

Taking 20% damage means blocking 80% and etc

The thing about tougher, is that it behaves the same as armor. Its just that its inconsistent depending on how lucky you are with blocking big or small hits and stuff

Like with 50% block if you get attacked twice, once for 100 damage and once for 10 damage, which one you block is a big deal. But over the course of a run, where you might get hit many times, it should average out.

[twin cedar]

Yea I've just been trying to improve cause the game isn't as easy as it used to be I'm trying to unlock the skins or Rex...

Uhhh what's the chance of getting a double legendary from a shrine?

[vapid swan]

Like 1% for a red isn’t it? So 1/1000?

Wiki more or less agrees. 1/1000 if you only hit it twice and didn’t get nothing for any of the rolls

[twin cedar]

I am the god of rng then for now I'm gonna die before obliterate..

Yes there goes my luck

I have a feeling it's rarer to miss a shine 8 times in a row

[full apex]

Do u have the item that increases shrine rarity sometimes?

[vapid swan]

Nope. It’s a little less than 50/50 for missing it, so 8x is just 1/2^8, or 1/256

[full apex]

its 45% right?

am i crazy or does that result in pretty different odds

also have this lol

not me. wish it was. but the odds are this are pretty silly

[simple coyote]

so with 0.5% per tick, it’s just 1 RAP per 1000 hp? that sounds too easy

[quasi crystal]

what does the blessing of those gold elites do
and what do they even do?

[trim canopy]

are the ambry alternate realm logbooks fixed yet?

[quasi crystal]

You get the gold stealing shield

The shield generates gold when hit like pennies but also gives you more armor the more gold you have I don't have the exact numbers

[vapid swan]

The equation the wiki has is for 10 tts and says it’s a 60%, so I just copied that honestly

I could’ve misread what it said I guess

[frosty cairn]

is there some game mechanic that picks a set environment or am i just really unlucky with getting abyssal depths

[full apex]

Oh for that I was talking about shrine of chance

[vapid swan]

Oh

[full apex]

Unlucky, stages are random

[frosty cairn]

six siren's calls in a row then 😭

[vapid swan]

Yea it’s crazy different odds, I did the math too afterwards, but it’s still better than 1/1000 so I didn’t bother changing it lol

[full apex]

Bazaar seers can help get a stage you want. Either you see if in the bazaar, or if not you still get the regular roll so the odds are pretty good

[lament tulip]

Could someone here help me, I'm trying to host a server so I can play on LAN

[proper helm]

My friend was thinking about getting ror2 so you guys know when it will go on sale?

[fiery perch]

Yo how do I do Xbox split screen

I click it and it just locks me in single player bassicly

Please help🙏

[tough topaz]

Does anyone know if ror2 is cross play between Xbox and pc it says yes then no so I'm confused

[livid wedge]

It isn't and doesn't say that

It's crossplay between the steam and epic versions

[rigid tree]

is there any reason to use regular grapple instead of spiked grapple on loader

[eternal storm]

well sometimes you'll want to grapple to a brass construct only to realize you grappled it into your face otherwise spiked seems like a straight upgrade

[rigid tree]

so its always better as long as youre not stupid am i getting this right

[livid wedge]

Or you want to grapple something instead of killing it

[full apex]

swinging off wisps is stonks

[fiery dust]

which primary is better for huntress the burst or the other

[quasi crystal]

preference

[fiery dust]

fair ty

[quasi crystal]

if you loop you definitely want the burst one though, its crit damage is 4x

[fiery dust]

oh damn wth

[full apex]

these are my thoughts

[quasi crystal]

it fires 6 arrows on a crit

[fiery dust]

ya i just saw that

[full apex]

theres some explanations up there too

[quasi crystal]

i like flurry too and run it personally, but if you dont get much crit it really sucks into the later stages

[full apex]

just get visions

[quasi crystal]

visions hooks strides engineer (need to keep turrets!!)

[full apex]

visions hooks essence huntress (to technically still play huntress)

funny how its basically an upgrade to her entire kit because her base numbers are so bad haha

[quasi crystal]

im never throwing awy my glaives

[steady stone]

huntress primary is basically preference

i use strafe instead of flurry just because the small delay on flurry feels weird

that's like the only reason

they're both good on diff builds

[quasi crystal]

i found a crit printer and then waited 5 hours for anything to spawn the antithesis of huntress

[nocturne apex]

So my friend is on Switch and he said he got "teleporter singing" bug

can anyone explain how or why?

[full apex]

it always does that, but idk why the regular track isnt playing. usually the regular background music syncs with it

you can actually use that sound to echolocate the tele normally.

[winter dune]

3rd expansion when?

[brazen sluice]

this is your daily reminder the seer and lazer of the father both came out in the same perfectly balanced update

words cannot describe my confusion

[brazen sluice]

does anyone actually enjoy all the physics changes the made? quail proxying is harder, pot rolling is beyond stupid now, enemies frequently just phase through the world (especially larva), and so far ive seen absolutely nothing that was actually improved

[quasi crystal]

I like it when halyconites just phase out of existence saves 5 hours on stage one

[lofty dagger]

can u get uncommon andlegendary void items with command on?

[ornate gust]

Yeah u can get any

[livid wedge]

@full apex @nocturne apex bgm is currently not working on switch

@lofty dagger command will still only show items from a pool of the "rarity" of the uncorrupted item. Like, if a void cradle would give you a polylute, your pool of items is uncommon

Like a lysate cell or plasma shrimp

[ornate gust]

Its confusing because the normal items have colour coded command essences, so u cant get every item from one command essence since it has to be an essence of a specific rarity

The void command essences are the same thing, they just arent colour coded to the rarity

You'll only see the items inside the command in one rarity only, again just not colour coded like the normal ones

[quasi crystal]

in the end its just a minor annoyance

[tacit summit]

vs for

[austere hazel]

how do i update to 1.3.4

[tacit summit]

update ur game on steam

[austere hazel]

i cant

[tacit summit]

unlucky

[austere hazel]

so do i just redownload

[frank juniper]

is couch co-op possible via steam?

or not possible?

[ornate gust]

Wdym cant

[ornate gust]

I believe they added that in the latest patch but i havent tried it out myself

[ornate gust]

Gloop is so fun on rex

[frank juniper]

i honestly can't find or acces it anywhere

[ornate gust]

Not latest i meant seekers of the storm

[ornate gust]

I know its there for console

[austere hazel]

it doesnt show the update button

[ornate gust]

Cuz there were a lot of major bugs with it

[ornate gust]

Then just reinstall, the game is only like 2 gb

[frank juniper]

so i need to get the dlc?

[ornate gust]

Nono

[austere hazel]

ok ill try

[ornate gust]

It should still be available for vanilla

[austere hazel]

i hope my mods/ save flie doesnt get destroyed or something

[ornate gust]

Lemme check rq

[ornate gust]

Unless u downpatched

[austere hazel]

i didnt

[ornate gust]

Other than that i dont think it should be an issue

Oka

And the game does have cloud saving

[ornate gust]

I did some searching, seems like couch co op is only there for console

[frank juniper]

bruhhh

[ornate gust]

There is a split screen mod

But idk if its upto date

Could try that out

[hasty glen]

You could try Nucleus Co-op

I played dark souls split screen on that and it worked for me

[frank juniper]

Is it a pluggin?

Thanks for the tips though!

[silver shadow]

does woolie tips are good ?

i saw some of his videos to get better, but i also saw some people criticizing his tips

and i kinda found his ideia of finishing stages in 5 minutes or less kinda insane

[full apex]

He played the game a lot, so tips related to basic stuff are probably better than nothing, but he also has a whole lot of dubious positions on stuff. Stages should probably be focusing on looting over the timer, and trying to optimize both. So like try not to waste time, but getting items is important and leaving stuff behind is suboptimal. Also a lot of strange judgements, like criticizing melee abilities despite many being very powerful and not insanely dangerous when used well

[analog brook]

Woolie tips can be sometimes questionable, take them with a grain of salt and not as an end all be all. I think overall his takes are like. Fine. But the 5minute per stage thing is absurd and crazy outdated and I'm pretty confident he himself doesn't even use it but never bothered to correct it anywhere

Entire thing kinda came from way back when before the game was even in 1.0 and people didn't really know too much afaik

[full apex]

He seems to have an ego and doesn't like being criticized, so on certain things after being told it's wrong will kind of choose to vocally die on the hill

I haven't watched any of his stuff in a very long time though, because after some stuff he did in the past it frustrates me sometimes lol

[silver shadow]

ok

so who should a take tips from ?

[full apex]

There's some decent tips in here tbh

I think the discord being live conversation it tends to have decent info. Last I checked the sub reddit was more prone to just saying what YouTubers are saying even if it was wrong

[analog brook]

People always help out here but the number one rule of thumb is just take everything with some precaution

Admittedly it's very easy to see people 10x as good as you and take every word as gospel (I'm not excluded)

[full apex]

Yea just keeping an open mind is important. Try stuff out and see how it feels

And people here are pretty good about helping out if you have any questions

The best tips can come with explanations as to why to help understand and see for yourself if it's true

[analog brook]

If you're looking for stuff like micro-ing and optimizing stuff like scrapping and loot then race can be good to learn though. That and the video on how damage stacks by disputed origins is also very good to understand

[ornate gust]

Plus an answer given to u by an experienced player may not even work for u if youre a beginner because you may not have the experience to understand whatever tip that experienced player even gave u

Tho specifying what type of help you need makes it easier to narrow it down cuz "general" advice tend to be different from person to person

[cerulean mango]

what m2 is better for bandit in general shiv or dagger

[trim narwhal]

doesnt matter too much

least important choice in their kit

i like ranged but really their main thing is airstall imo

[white oak]

I find dagger easier to use but it depends on ur playstyle

[full apex]

The ranged one is my favorite but the melee one makes up for losing the versatility with aoe and damage

I like desperado a lot tho and it doesn't encourage close range play quite as much imo

[mortal basalt]

does anyone know how to fix random crashing

i was about to go to false son with halycon seed and crashed

[rose talon]

Are multiplayer director credits still messed up or something? Everything seems fine in single player but I've literally never seen so many elites with just one extra person

[full apex]

The game is spawning extra elites right now. As far as i know the director is fine, and your average income over time should be the same. But, from stage 3 onwards, you'll start getting tier 1.5 elites. Which are just tier 1 elites, same stats, but cheaper. With gilded in there for good measure haha

[rose talon]

Omg okay so me and my friend are NOT insane and bad thank you ❤️

[brittle imp]

is there a limit on how many gooboos you can spawn in

[full apex]

Nope and gbx have recognized it as a problem and are looking into it. So hopefully they'll patch something about it! I find it tough to believe its a bug with how deliberate its programmed, but it may be an accident, oversight, or just a mistake.

[rose talon]

It's actually crazy, we got a gilded greater wisp on stage 4 and it was practically unkillable it had so much health. It survived the entire teleporter boss, already at half health

[silver shadow]

by the way any tips on how to unlock rex ?

is there a way to cancel acrid leap animation so i can jump and hit enemies in the air ?

[ornate gust]

Go on drizzle and just speedrun with like loader or someone, or mult cuz he can retool and the fuel array wont explode as long as its not your current equipment

[ornate gust]

U cant cancel it midway unless u land on an enemy itself

[silver shadow]

that's sad

[silver shadow]

i'm playing single player and mult doesnt spawn with the ship

[ornate gust]

Oh yeah forgor about that

[silver shadow]

but thanks to the tip anyway

[ornate gust]

Id say yeah drizzle and loader cuz shes the fastest

And u can just go straight to the tp boss and kill it fast

[silver shadow]

sadly i didnt unlock her also

i don't have false son, loader and rex

[ornate gust]

Oh then u can try railgunner, shes the next best/easiest damage just with less movement

[ornate gust]

Ah i see, loader is easy to unlock actually

[full apex]

If you wanna have some fun along the way, fuel array actually works as a build tool on engineer lol

The turrets get it and it works. When they get to low hp, they'll blow everything in the area up for 3x their max hp haha

[silver shadow]

why ?

[full apex]

Just be careful, it can kill allies nowadays so dont be near them when they go off

[silver shadow]

but the explosion also damages me right ?

[full apex]

It is very funny though. Its a lot of damage

Elixir can be helpful too, i dont think they finish the nova if they die while its going off so

[brazen sluice]

nothing makes me wana yeet elixir into a scrapper faster than being on E5+

or playing rex for that matter...especially on E5+

[full apex]

All it takes for me is not being engi lmao

[silver shadow]

how can i know if my forth stage is going to be abyssal depths?

[ornate gust]

Its random

But, you can go to the bazaar and pick the stage there

As long as it shows up

[silver shadow]

i managed to unlock rex

[zinc terrace]

isn't elixir pretty helpful on e5+ because it can preserve your watches

[wicked epoch]

How long does Boss!False Son's silence/disarm last?

[fiery fox]

you got to hit one of the shrines in the stage to remove the debuff

[wicked epoch]

Are they single use or does it reset?

[glacial knoll]

420s but yeah the intention is using the Geodes

They respawn after some time idk how long

[wicked epoch]

I assume at least your items still work?

[glacial knoll]

Your items would still work for defense sure

[ornate gust]

Awesome

[fiery dust]

which character would make the easiest eclipse run

[leaden field]

railgunner

or loader

[silver shadow]

now i only have to unlock false son and loader

[fiery dust]

alright ty i heard there is a learning curve with loader and he has lots of techs that are sorta hard any tips for thosew

[leaden field]

just get items that work well on big hits (things like bands) and backup mags

those help a lot

getting visions of heresy can help if you really don't wanna use the primary melee attack

[rapid current]

should i talk about risk of rain in #risk-of-rain-returns ?

[full apex]

ror1?

[rapid current]

yea

[full apex]

its probably more similar to that than ror2

its not a big deal either way tho imo

[rapid current]

is it diferent?

[gray spade]

How do i deal with the mean jellyfish boss (forgot his name) from stage 1?

[rancid jewel]

His charge up attack with the huge AOE can be deflected by hiding behind something when it releases

[gray spade]

You mean the delete one when he is kinda low on health?

[rancid jewel]

Yeah

You can just hide behind something, not enemies or him, but like a little cliff or rock

[gray spade]

Hmm okay, thank you

[sacred bridge]

Would anyone know by any chance if TC-280 is being shown with drone icon when using tracker equipment, thanks in advance

[eternal storm]

Loader does have tech but she’s really strong you don’t even need tech just know that when you grapple you go towards where you face and that you can start sprinting again while you’re grappling or charging your shift to go faster

If you get bands you can start oneshotting everything

[simple coyote]

since when does crowbar apply to tincture on yourself

I thought only ignition tank buffed tincture

[brazen briar]

Yo um for risk 1 how does online co-op work? I try joining any active session and it always pops up with “sorry, the session is now full” lol

[fallen plinth]

i just got the dlc and cant get past 3% ont he laoding screen before the game closes itself

[trim narwhal]

all dmg% items work. watch, crystal, crowbar

if you were a boss somehow, so would ap rounds

[full apex]

i think AP might be banned on players even if u were a boss

but maybe not

but yea focus crystal affecting tincture is funny.

[buoyant trail]

hey guys been trying to beat the false son to unlock new champ but every time me and my friend get to him we just just on shot any recomdations

[nova breach]

the FS fight is generally easier after a loop

[buoyant trail]

kinda new to the game what a loop

[rapid drift]

Stage Five has the Primordial Teleporter. It takes you to the moon by default, but you can interect with the tetth/wall tings to have it lead to the planet instead of the moon. This puts you on the first stage to loop.

[buoyant trail]

i dont think iv been there is that the final boss place?

[rapid drift]

The Moon?

[buoyant trail]

yea i dont think iv ever been there

[rapid drift]

It has the final boss.

One of them atleast.

[buoyant trail]

ohh oh i been there then yea so it easier to fight the false son after looping

[tender wyvern]

is there a way for me to play with my friend that plays from xbox while im playing on pc?

[rapid drift]

No.

[tender wyvern]

shit game

[rapid drift]

It was made by three dudes in a basement.

And a fourth out in Greece just making tunes.

[tender wyvern]

well
not shit game
but still fuck this

[vapid swan]

Anyone know why it won’t let me input metamorphosis at the terminal thing on the new stage? Just fizzles out

[rapid drift]

What are you inputting?

Send Screenshot.

[vapid swan]

Think what I was looking at was wrong, found a different code for it

Yup, Reddit was just wrong for whatever reason

[fading zodiac]

can razorwire crit?

[trim narwhal]

yes

[fading zodiac]

so will razorwire , scythe and glasses work?

[trim narwhal]

note that scythe/leech seed is effected by coeff and razor has 0.5 coeff

so itll work but half value for each enemy hit

[fading zodiac]

well , i will use that with hellfire torch and planula

it shoud make me somewhat invinciable

[nova breach]

the game generally becomes easier after a loop because your run slowly turns into a god run

but with the addition of a new elite with the DLC, it's not as safe anymore

[zinc ice]

does couch co-op work on pc or just on console?

[topaz fulcrum]

Anyone know if benthic bloom still lets me cash in on my prayer beads stacks?

[nova breach]

I think you need a mod for PC

not sure if the splitscreen mod's been updated to SotS though

[full apex]

i think it doesnt actually, unfortunately. totally an oversight but last time i had them it ate my buff stacks but did not increase my stats

could have been a fluke, i havent tested again trying to recreate it... but i wouldnt trust it currently

basically everything else works, the game just keeps track of your last stacks and if it goes down for any reason it pays out, even using mods for like console commands. but i think because benthic happens in a stage transition, it causes a problem

[topaz fulcrum]

yeah kind of a fringe case
could have tested but I wanted to bank the eclipse run

[zinc ice]

ok, ty!

[primal quartz]

am I just bad at finding radar scanners or can I not obtain the logbooks for the ||new bulwark research places and some other strange ones?||

[blazing marten]

is there any way we as a community could make it possible for the devs to be able to work on the game without the higher ups rushing development and making life hard for them? love this game and want to make sure the devs can thrive

[supple crater]

uhh i may be wrong on this but iirc the logbooks for special places are on specific places of that environment

atleast that's how it is on the bulwark thing, voidfields and bazaar

idk if that's how it works with other special places

[primal quartz]

I found the logbooks for the places.. but they aren't showing up in the logbook menu-
(specifically bulwark places)

[supple crater]

bruh

the bulwark places only count as one iirc

[primal quartz]

found more than one- but it hasn't changed anything

[supple crater]

same

i've found like 3 of those and it only shows 1

[primal quartz]

probably just need to find a scanner, I hope

[supple crater]

i don't think there are scanners on hidden realms

or atleast i haven't found any

btw does anybody know what would be some good items for beating mithrix on moonson with mercenary ?

[primal quartz]

shoot

[steady stone]

The bulwark's ambry has a book under the map on a little hanging platform

there is no scanner

[primal quartz]

so... the new ones are bugged..?

[steady stone]

For what? there's only one ambry

[primal quartz]

wisp research (and the other researches)

[vapid swan]

Stacking beads does nothing, right? I’ve got 9

[steady stone]

Of fealty? you can cleanse them for more pearls

[steady stone]

like the wisp logbook? what about it? it should just drop from wisps as a chance

[vapid swan]

Think I’m good on pearls

31 norms and 17 irradiant lol

[primal quartz]

the place.,wisp research, the new ambry place for the dlc.

[steady stone]

Beads of fealty doesn't have an effect other than the obliterate trigger, so it does nothing

[steady stone]

i'm not up to date on the dlc so i'd have to research the wisp research

[primal quartz]

ah

[steady stone]

do you know the actual name?

can be found here
https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Environments

[primal quartz]

wisp research.

[steady stone]

oh they added variants

sorry when i looked up "wisp research" it showed as the first result lol

[primal quartz]

xd

[hushed slate]

shrimp is better than atg in most cases right?

[steady stone]

I don't think they have a log for variants. It just says "The Environment Log for the original variant can be found on a little platform underneath the level (it can be seen during the cinematic intro of the stage). It will disappear 5 minutes after entering the level."

[vapid swan]

It’s area clear vs single target.

ATGs will do more axtual damage overall tho iirc

[steady stone]

ATG does 400x damage while plimp does less (60% i think?) but procs always. On rapid fires with low proc coeffs plimp is better, but ATG can one shot about anything off of a loader punch

[primal quartz]

There's no way I'm missing 5 environment logs and one of them isn't an ambry alternate

I've already gotten all the new dlc regular stages, and most of their "alternate loop" stages

[hushed slate]

rapid fires with low proc so like huntress?

[steady stone]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore#Environments

[steady stone]

Like captain I like plimp because every single bullet turns into plimp

Allowing them + bullets to all proc other things

Plimp does less damage than the original shot so it's more like but void tbh.

So same premise

[primal quartz]

I'm missing two "alternate" stages and 3 ambry, according to the logbooks-

[hushed slate]

hoo i see

[steady stone]

I'd look through the list and see if anything is missing

[primal quartz]

aight

[steady stone]

I didn't even know ambry had alt stages until today tbh

more of a pre-sots guy

[primal quartz]

fair

[supple crater]

do those logbooks only appear if u have the dlc ?

[primal quartz]

well, you can't really get to those stages without the dlc-

[supple crater]

bruh

[steady stone]

also this might help

[supple crater]

so i can't get all the logbooks and achievements

;-;

[steady stone]

yeah you cant have the 100% on steam either without the DLC

[primal quartz]

technically if you don't have the dlc you can still 100%

[steady stone]

steam has no way to activate achievements only if dlc is present

so those 3 new ones screwed ya

[supple crater]

i'm missing sots for the 3 achievements

:(

[steady stone]

Same. Had it 100% before the DLC

That's a steam problem though, Preston mentioned it before

[supple crater]

atleast i have sotv

[steady stone]

source
https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1283567309272912003

[supple crater]

well that sucks

[primal quartz]

Shattered Abodes: ❌
Helminth Hatchery: ✅
Reformed altar: ✅
treeborn colony: ✅
Viscious falls ✅
Disturbed impact: ❌
Golden dieback: ✅
Tar research: ❌
Aphelian research ❌
Wisp research ❌
Verdant falls: ✅

two alternate stages, and the researches- aren't found, but i've been to two of the research stages and picked up the logbooks each time I've been there

[ornate gust]

The bulwarks ambry alt logbooks are bugged anyway so they don't even work lol

[steady stone]

I'd go to #1172187541349347429

Preston reads like every single bug report so it's actually useful

[primal quartz]

thank you 😭

[steady stone]

unlike other companies talking to brick walls

[ornate gust]

Been like that since they dropped

[primal quartz]

it aggravates me to not have everything 100% lmao

[ornate gust]

Lol i getcha

[primal quartz]

just gotta wait then lol

[steady stone]

it's 100% in your eyes

[ornate gust]

Yep

[steady stone]

like i never did eclipse but it says 100% on my logbook card

good enough for me

[primal quartz]

smh xD

[fading shard]

hi all, in SOTS, does anyone have a thorough explanation on how the gilded elite aspect works? I got it the other day and from what I could tell I was losing gold when I dealt damage to enemies.

here is a timestamped video for context as well: https://youtu.be/HCDwM2KkOjk?si=A6vzvn5SSlZc2LyQ&t=1972

[steady stone]

to the wiki i go

[fading shard]

i truly can't figure out exactly what is happening lol it is so perplexing

[ornate gust]

Main thing is whenever they have a lil shield around them if u hit them at that time they steal your money

[ornate gust]

Oh wait