ror2-game-questions

[civic dome]

Oof that one's hard

[willow shoal]

finish final boss with the ability ting?

[ornate gust]

Yerp

Im yet to attempt it

[willow shoal]

is so gud

never played.commander

[ornate gust]

Captain

Yeah u unlock him when u beat the final boss

[willow shoal]

i have em

[ornate gust]

Ah nice

[willow shoal]

but never played/ understood what he does lul

[ornate gust]

He has a shotgun

U can hold it to narrow the bullet spread

[civic dome]

He's typically considered a support character (for playing in a team) but does well on his own

[ornate gust]

His secondary is a stun

His special is a orbital strike of 3 uses

And his special u can select 2 supply beacons

He has 4 beacons to unlock which u can use interchangebly

If u want u can have the same 2 beacons equipped for both his beacon slots

[willow shoal]

i got none of them 😭

[ornate gust]

And his passive is his microbots which blocks incoming projectiles and his drones inherit em which makes it really good for him to have drones

[ornate gust]

U have 2 of em unlocked by default

The healing beacon and the stun beacon

[civic dome]

His passive rocks actually

[willow shoal]

yeah i meant the other onees

[ornate gust]

His passive is dope af

[ornate gust]

They arent that hard to unlock aswell

[willow shoal]

what is it

[ornate gust]

His hacking beacon, which allows him to open any chest in the radius for free, is unlocked by buying the BEEG drone on rallypoint deltae (the snow map)

[ornate gust]

@willow shoal

[willow shoal]

saw that

[civic dome]

He literally deletes projectiles that get too close

The more the attack speed the faster he can do it

[ornate gust]

Yeah thats his passive

[ornate gust]

Yep, it makes up for his no movement skills

[willow shoal]

oh ok

is the thing that unlocks chest

[ornate gust]

And his equipment beacons, which restores an equipment use, i havent used this one much

[willow shoal]

something that i needa unlock?

[ornate gust]

The hacking beacon yep

[ornate gust]

Yep

[analog brook]

Yeah its the one from visiting 20 environments in a run

[willow shoal]

bro i dont wanna go throuhh all the quests to get all the capacities

[willow shoal]

isnt it 10?

[ornate gust]

Thats the other one actually

His hacking one is u have to buy the TC-280 prototype drone in rallypoint delta

[analog brook]

Oh damn

[ornate gust]

And yes its 10

[analog brook]

Oh I was thinking of clover
Don't have every single unlock in the game memories anymore I'm so washed 💔

[ornate gust]

Iss oka

[willow shoal]

what could i use to unlock all chars capacities

am really not in a mood to unlock all of em

[ornate gust]

If u wanna 100% the game broski, iss gonna happen

But dont stress it, youre still starting out

So have fun and dont let the unlocks take the fun out of it yeah

[analog brook]

Honestly I'd say if you're not feeling it don't do it yet, isn't worth bashing your head against the wall and not having fun

[willow shoal]

k i'll do dat

i have done the20 stages

[ornate gust]

If youre not in the mood then dont bother

[analog brook]

But here's my tip: for hacking beacon you can get a blue portal on stage 2 and then in the shop buy the little circle thingies at the back that cost 3 coins to guarantee the next stage to be rallypoint delta which has the big drone

[ornate gust]

Ah thats good, very good item

[willow shoal]

yah

[analog brook]

(trying not to use ingame words like "dream" or "seers")

[ornate gust]

Yep

[willow shoal]

what?

[willow shoal]

big drone :3

[tacit summit]

do wisps spawned by artifact of soul drop bombs from artifact of spite

[willow shoal]

yes

[tacit summit]

ok cool

does artifact of frailty affect mobs

[ornate gust]

I dont think so

Cuz enemies can anyway die from fall damage

[willow shoal]

whats that

[ornate gust]

It makes u take double fall damage and u can die from fall damage

[willow shoal]

oh oki

[tacit summit]

no like the double dmg thingy

[ornate gust]

It doesnt state it affects enemies

So i dont think so

It doesnt state it in the wiki either

In the artifact of chaos they mention that "friendly fire is enabled for survivors and monsters alike"

[analog brook]

It does actually! Unless they changed it, I remember that when mithrix came out (4?) years ago disputed origins made a video on itemless mithrix and he used fragility to kill him in one of them

[ornate gust]

Huh wow

[quasi crystal]

Disputed origins is the goat

[errant cosmos]

so, I just got done with a run. how did I do more damage in one hit then I did overall

[livid wedge]

What

You got a screenshot of that?

[tardy rampart]

how buggy is the game now

[white oak]

multiplayer is dysfunctional for me and some other people, thats probably the worst part. solo is playable fine right now

[onyx oxide]

my most frequent boss deaths are from when they do the massive sphere blast from jellyfish and grandparents
I can't seem to outrun them fast enough most of the time, is there a trick that I'm missing?

[ornate gust]

If u hide behind anything u dont take damage from the grandparents "sun" attack

[ornate gust]

Same with the wandering vagrant

Just get behind cover and it doesnt hit u

The sun is far more deadly than the vagrants blast

[hasty acorn]

Hello I'm new to the game and havin a blast I just unlocked acrid should I take the Null Portal or the Void Portal?

[ornate gust]

Null portal will put u in the normal stage route

Void portal will take u to another realm called the void locus

I would suggest null portal

Buuut sees im a bit late to answer

[onyx oxide]

ooh that's good to know

the wandering vagrant usually kills my runs if I get it on the first stage so this will help a lot

[ornate gust]

It does the explosion when its at low health so keep an eye on its health bar

[onyx oxide]

yeah I already realized that part

[ornate gust]

So u can prepare to get behind cover

Good good

[onyx oxide]

I usually prepare to run away

lol

with huntress its barely possible if you have a headstart on him

[ornate gust]

U can tank its blast if youre at least 90% health

Depends on the difficulty tbf

[onyx oxide]

well if I'm on 10% health I'll probably panic and die

better safe than sorry

[ornate gust]

Yep

Always gotta be under cover

[hoary sedge]

if there's no cover in the stage you can also just barely hide behind the teleporter prongs

[ornate gust]

Yep

[onyx oxide]

any other such tricks I should know?

for dodging dangerous attacks

[quasi crystal]

Jumping is your best friend

[icy topaz]

and run in circle

[eternal storm]

if everything's a mess running around and jumping in a circle is usually your best bet, otherwise try to pay attention and focus the most dangerous targets

usually elites

[serene vector]

for enemies like stone golems, you can hide behind other golems block the attack, just like hiding behind terrain

wisps, you can hit them to stop their attack charge-up

[onyx oxide]

I'm already doing most of these things so I'm probably doing well

[serene vector]

just keep at it, remember to hear around for enemy spawns so you dont get jumpscared

[onyx oxide]

there was this one time that I was doing DoT damage for a solid 2 minutes
luckily I had enough healing but I'd like to know why

[serene vector]

u were doing or u were taking the DOT damage?

[onyx oxide]

taking DoT damage

[daring cloak]

Do you know which dot?

[onyx oxide]

I think it was burn or acid
couldn't really tell

[eternal storm]

maybe it was the helmith hatchery lava?

[onyx oxide]

the teleporter area had a bunch of it on the ground so I had to stay in it to charge it

[serene vector]

ye probs lava lol

[onyx oxide]

and it was on the stage 5 (the purple area)

[serene vector]

oh then its the mushroom bois

[daring cloak]

It could also be burn

Since afaik at some point if burn would deal too much damage too fast it instead adds that spare damage as extra duration

[eternal storm]

maybe he just tanked a grandparent sun

[daring cloak]

Likely

[onyx oxide]

yeah too much damage is possible I looped twice to get the 20 waves challenge

[daring cloak]

Ok yeah then its most likely a hefty amount of burn

[ornate gust]

The sun gives u so much burn its scary

[stray cliff]

How is the game for everyone after the recent patches? I was looking to get the dlc, but am unsure whether things are still really buggy/broken

[eternal storm]

most major bugs are fixed, you may run into some minor issues

you probably wont get softlocked anymore though

[ornate gust]

Unintentionally anyway

The longstanding solitude can softlock u in gilded cost, but thats a specific case

Unless they found a work around for it

[daring cloak]

No it still does that

[analog brook]

Am I crazy for thinking they could just make it so that you still do get gold but triple chest prices

[eternal storm]

yeah but you have to be completely capped out on levels

you shouldnt go into gilded coast knowing that you cannot purchase anything

[onyx oxide]

money is too easy to get once you have a couple of tomes (or whatever the green item that gives you more money is called)

[daring cloak]

Ehhhhh thats not really enough of a reason to justify a softlock

The game has always at least tried to make every run winnable no matter what the current situation is

[pulsar nova]

No you dont

[eternal storm]

well you could be 6 below the capped level i guess and you wouldnt be able to buy the 7th

[pulsar nova]

Unless they fixed it there was an issue where you could get stuck there at any level

[analog brook]

Even without being max level gilded coast with LS takes so god damn long that it should be changed

[eternal storm]

fair enough

[daring cloak]

Also if the beacons run out

[pulsar nova]

This is how the softlock happens iirc

[eternal storm]

yeah i feel like there should be an alternative way

[daring cloak]

I mean you could also just enter coast at level 88 and not have enough levels left to even buy the first row of beacons

[eternal storm]

oh yeah that can happen although usually i kill aure pretty fast

although being softlocked for killing the boss too slowly shouldnt happen

[ornate gust]

A brittle crown will probably help

Not probably thats usually what u would pair it up with anyway

[daring cloak]

I mean if youre at max level youre at max level

[ornate gust]

Yeah

After that its kinda pointless

[daring cloak]

It should just stop converting money to xp when you cant get any more xp

Because like

Unless you find a cleansing pool youre just out of purchases

[ornate gust]

Those are pretty rare in itself

So picking up an LS is basically a commitment

They could be workin on it on the next patch

Since they did say they are lookin at the new items

[daring cloak]

Even mithrix doesnt want to take solitude

[ornate gust]

Lmao

[daring cloak]

It just stays in your inventory like the heresy items

[ornate gust]

Imagine he just leveled up the max level as soon as he got it

[gilded agate]

hey just wondering, does a halycon portal always show up during a run? I've looped 3 times and no shrine

[daring cloak]

Yes halcyon shrines can always appear in a run

Theyre quite rare on all stages except for stage 1 though

You can try to enter reformed altar or treeborn through the lunar seer though

[gilded agate]

so taking a blue portal might give me a higher chance, good to know

[eternal storm]

would be pretty cool if enemies could level up faster if they had solitude

[daring cloak]

Everything would break

Like there has to be something deeply wrong with ai having solitude if mithrix doesnt even take it

Its not just ai blacklisted he just lets you keep it

[eternal storm]

prob has to do with enemies having gold in the first place

[eternal storm]

maybe its because you could get gold while not having solitude and then getting it again while having gold would break it

[daring cloak]

Why would that be though

You can literally pick up solitude mid stage from buds

[gilded agate]

ok so I did just get treeborn via the lunar seeer... I advanced from there and I'm back out of the dlc

I thought I would automatically go to the new boss stage, am I doing something wrong?

[daring cloak]

You only proceed to the next dlc stage if you use the green portal

[gilded agate]

oh no, there wasn't one! OK, next time

[daring cloak]

There should always be one at the end of the tp event on the dlc stages

[eternal storm]

oh

i forgot buds existed ngl

[livid wedge]

It mightve been hidden, portals are weird sometimes

[gilded agate]

yeah, I will be more careful next time. Not sure the game will make it another loop though 🙂

[robust ruin]

has anyone figured out is it worth to step on the path for stage 2 and 3 and then off it to fight mithrix? like do you get more items or is it just an alternate path

[livid wedge]

Just an alternate path

[signal fulcrum]

Its worth it because you get to jam out to OMPH2

[gilded agate]

we got a green poral

[thin sinew]

what's the stage aesthetics mod called?

[daring cloak]

Stage aesthetics

Unless you mean a different mod that changes stage visuals

[thin sinew]

where

[thin sinew]

the mod that people say is stage aesthetics

ive seen a bunch of youtubers use it

[daring cloak]

Maybe try it without the space between stage and aesthetics

[thin sinew]

nop

[daring cloak]

Strange

[left trellis]

it's deprecated I think

it doesn't work on latest patch

[thin sinew]

D:

sadge

[daring cloak]

Ive only heard that it sometimes causes the tp and other interactables to not spawn

Interesting that it doesnt appear at all for latest patch

[gilded agate]

does gold portal go to the aurelionite fight still?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[gilded agate]

even if I got halycon shrine on the new stage 5?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[gilded agate]

cool, thanks!

[daring cloak]

Depending on which stage you are on the game cant spawn a green portal (because there is no alt path stage 1 and 5) so it instead spawns a gold portal

[peak jacinth]

deprecated mods don’t appear usually iirc

[glacial knoll]

they are filter out by default and for good reason

[ornate gust]

Yerp happens on stage 5 too which sucks cuz then the run you committed to basically dies

I think if u disable some specific variants it should be fine but I havent tested it out

[hushed slate]

what reds should i usually get as huntress?

[trim narwhal]

depends on build

well, are you playing with command ? or

guessing from that phrasing

like if u can always get proc items and crit and stuff with command, then clover and icbm and laser scope etc is all more useful than normal

[candid wigeon]

how good's shaped glass for bandit?

[signal fulcrum]

does luck effect crit chance

[daring cloak]

Afaik no

Actually

Well it definitely isnt affected by proc coefficient but I also dont think its affected by luck though im not entirely sure

[livid wedge]

Crit is affected by luck except on rg

Because rg crit goes straight to damage

[steady stone]

Glass is good for his R because it hits the kill threshold easier but he struggles with mobility since his shift is more of a preemptive invisibility and a stun, so you could get obliterated by a laser in the distance.

If you think you can handle it I would say it's good. Purity is also good but it gets so stale because you can't run half the builds in the game.

Many classes have panic buttons but bandit only has a panic button for people in range of stun

Both special guns are best when they instakill, that's why crowbar is good on him even though he has a shotgun.

[jaunty ledge]

Does taking a reduce my spike amount?

[daring cloak]

No

Curse does not affect growth

You could literally sit at effectively 1 hp and still get growth boons

[jaunty ledge]

I see
Thanks!

[frigid glen]

Do some ror2 mods not work if I don’t have some dlc? Stuff like starstorm characters, Shigaraki and escanor isn’t showing up, just wondering if anyone else had a similar issue

[full apex]

Tru, and it should be! It softlocks you with Eulogy Zero and Evolution if you're unlucky which is hilarious

[nimble ether]

Are multiple different items multiplicative to each other, while multiples of the same item are additive?

[livid wedge]

Correct

[steady stone]

Many mods probably just need updated to the newer versions. Updates to the game still apply and change code, even without the DLC, especially the bug fixes.

[full apex]

many are, stuff like attack speed or movement speed generally all add together though

[steady stone]

also the dlc is still, like, in your game, and therefore getting changed
that's why only the host needs in it multiplayer, i believe

but i always just describe it as
"Game updates, code changes. If mods use old code, mod breaks. It's on the modders to fix their own mods. Smaller mods get fixed faster because less code"

hence why people get mad when skyrim updates

[nimble ether]

ah ok, so damage boosts follow that multiplicative/additive rule?

[steady stone]

the biggest thing that is based off multiplying is like proc. An ATG will do I believe 400% of the original attack, and then if that procs Cherf it does 400/500% of the ATG, even while many standard items dont work this way.

[frigid glen]

Alright thanks

[steady stone]

but for example just does +10% per stack

and some are strange like . It adds 15% for the first one and then adds less percent per stack, taking either millions or billions to max it out.

iirc it's like hyperbolic or logarithmic scaling. something like that

[full apex]

yea so like watch is 1.2, two of them is 1.4 cause add. focus crystal is the same. but, they resolve in order. so it would be 1.2x1.2 which is 1.44, with two of each would be 1.4x1.4 which is 1.96

[nimble ether]

so crit glasses are just addition and stuff like tougher times hit diminishing returns?

[steady stone]

for some things. i forgot to mention what charmlie just said though, but that's a big part of it

[full apex]

attack speed from like syringe and war horn add though even though they are different, so 15+70 would be 85 not 95.5

[steady stone]

also why diversity is the best thing you can do in command instead of hyperstacking

like get hooves and energy drinks, not just one

[nimble ether]

yeah I figured

[full apex]

hooves and drink also add to each other

[nimble ether]

I learned that quick when I got this game lol

[steady stone]

iirc the hooves and drinks works well because edrink is only sprint, which im assuming is based off of the base speed affected by hoof

[full apex]

no it adds speed the same way hoof does

[steady stone]

oh, so do people just say to get both of those because one adds more speed but one is constant?

i never looked into that one, i just always knew it as like a "rule" of speed building

[full apex]

drink is worth more yea but having walk speed is also very nice

[steady stone]

ah, i assumed drink increased running speed honestly, not speed while running

honestly i learn a lot here even though i'm here to answer questions lol

[steady stone]

num18 being, what, current speed/velocity? to check if you're moving (>0)?

[full apex]

drink stacks sorry

70 is speed

[steady stone]

oh oh yeah, if (you have drinks) {} basically

where do you find all the code anyway?

[jaunty zinc]

does rebar nailgun power mode give nail accuracy like saw nail or no

[full apex]

rebar has bloom so i dont remember exactly how they interact

[jaunty zinc]

ic

[full apex]

dnspy

[steady stone]

oh cool, might be interesting to check some stuff out

and the power mode thing, i'm not entirely sure, but doesn't it have something to do with rebar being in the second slot or something?

[full apex]

the first slot changes the second

[steady stone]

yeah i'm probably not qualified to answer that one, my mul-t tech is pretty surface

just the quickswap and the max attack with swap+syringes

[chrome mist]

Do equpiment drones get affected by artifact of enigma

[wicked epoch]

I've asked before, but it's been a while so I'll ask again: Is there any way to change the item stored for Artifact of Rebirth by editing the game files?

I figure it's been long enough that someone must have looked into it by now, right?

[full apex]

yes its ez

[wicked epoch]

Ooh? How? Where do I need to go?

[full apex]

you have to use internal name, those are on wiki

[wicked epoch]

Which file is that?

[full apex]

the saves have weird names

[wicked epoch]

Ok, which directory am I looking in?

[full apex]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1704500228

this should help

when rebirth is empty it will look like this or smth

[wicked epoch]

A-ha, found it!

[eternal storm]

Does false son give items

[quasi crystal]

Yeah he drops a shard

[eternal storm]

Oh ok

[quasi crystal]

It's like a tier 1 halyconite reward you get to chose one of 3 items randomly selected

[eternal storm]

I thought it would be a bit better considering that the other stage 4s are filled with loot and guaranteed reds

Although I guess it makes sense since you can just end the run there and “win”

[wicked epoch]

Now to find the list of Internal item names. I'm trying to find the one for Sonorous Whispers, but it doesn't seem to be on its wiki page.

[wicked epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lied-to-me-lie-tomska-asdf-movie-gif-14714255

[steady stone]

are you using the fandom

because if so dont

[wicked epoch]

They're both Fandom

[steady stone]

those are 2 pages from the same fandom

[wicked epoch]

Is this the one then?

It's doesn't seem to have been updated to unclude the Seekers of the Storm content

or even Void, for that matter

[quasi crystal]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Seeker that's so weird I had no idea seeker was an early access character

[wicked epoch]

There we go, thank you.

Why did that not appear in my search?

[quasi crystal]

Fandom pollution on Google

[steady stone]

fandom is popular and gets clicked, which causes more clicks, causing more clicks, since it always stays at the top sadly.

fandom has horrible info
i remember what it said on the false son fandom page at first and it was bad

[wicked epoch]

Right. Now.... where's this damned thing's internal name?

[quasi crystal]

Fandoms heavily vandalized calamity And drg wikis get hoisted over their official developer run wikis

[wicked epoch]

I don't ask for much, why is it so hard to find?

[steady stone]

nah i remember at first it had some random quote about false son having sex with somebody

[quasi crystal]

That's less funny tbh this is gold

[steady stone]

fandom needs a toxic waste warning or something

[quasi crystal]

I remember someone made a page of themselves as a survivor that guy was a madlad

[eternal storm]

Bro that’s fire I want them as a survivor

New dlc vandalizers of the fandom

[wicked epoch]

Fucking hell I can't find it anywhere here

[steady stone]

try going to the console and typing "item_list"

i've read that worked on a random page but if it does still work it would save you a lot of time

[wicked epoch]

is the console enabled by default?

[steady stone]

there's some keybind you have to do

"To access the console for the first time, type "ctrl+alt+`" on keyboard. Later on, the console could be called and closed via pressing "x"."

x is ` but two of them makes a code break

like this

so i cant type two of them

[wicked epoch]

Great. Does nothing.

[full apex]

we try to keep it as clean and accurate as possible

[steady stone]

worth a shot

[full apex]

they finally set up a recent changes bot so ive been monitoring basically every change since the DLC mess

list_items?

i dont remember

any item in particular you are interested in?

[steady stone]

yeah i read on a wiki page about the command. it was an old post though, command might just be gone.

[wicked epoch]

Sonorous Whispers. I've said it like 3 times.

[full apex]

sorry i was on a phone call lol i catching back up

[wicked epoch]

The console recognises item_list as a command, but entering it just does nothing

list_items is not a command, nor is anything approximating it coming up in the autofill

[full apex]

gotcha

you can type give_item and make some guesses, it has autocomplete so

[steady stone]

dlc is still new so new items might just not be checked yet

"This article is currently under construction. Some content may be missing, incomplete, or unfinished."

if i had to guess, if the item id isn't just similar to the actual name, it would involve shell

but autofill is a really useful part of commands

[wicked epoch]

Right. So how do I enable cheats?

[full apex]

oh right

do you have any mods? or are willing to play mods?

debugtoolkit bypasses the cheat mode and also doesnt disable unlocks.

i forget the console is even functional without it haha

[wicked epoch]

I have played with mods in the past, before the DLC dropped, but don't right now

[steady stone]

i think they removed cheat mode in a patch. you'd have to use debugtoolkit, i believe

[wicked epoch]

And has that been updated since the last Seekers patch?

[proper mantle]

how do i get runald and kjaros bands

[full apex]

unlock?

[steady stone]

unsure, but it might still work. it doesnt add the commands, it unlocks them really, bypassing cheat mode.

[steady stone]

and i'd be willing to bet GBX updates their commands for testing

[wicked epoch]

hmmm

[steady stone]

i've definetely used it like, a few months ago, so the 3years ago didnt matter then.

[full apex]

https://thunderstore.io/package/IHarbHD/DebugToolkit/

[steady stone]

i used it post devotion

[full apex]

if you are using r2modman (totally should if you arent) its ez to find

will handle dependencies too

[steady stone]

debugtk is just hard to use though

[wicked epoch]

I haven't loaded modman since the DLC dropped, first thing I did when the DLC came out was remove the line of launch options it gave me to put into Steam

[steady stone]

there's no instructions other than the wiki really

[full apex]

the only references i can find in the code are for the droptable but it might just be called sonorousecho

[quasi crystal]

On a abandoned aquaduct there will be 2 pressure plates in a random predetermined location, roll a pot, have a friend, place a sentry turret, drop down a captain beacon or otherwise push down one of the plates then stand on the other.
The chat will show a message saying "an ancient gate has shifted" and an area on the map will open up and you will go in fight 2 elder Lemurians and they will drop the bands, unlocking them and allowing you to use them on that run.
This is repeatable

[full apex]

its not bad if you learn the commands that are relevant to you

especially because of how strong the autocomplete is

[steady stone]

i would check the command for you but i dont own the dlc, and probably wont for a while

[steady stone]

you get used to it if you use it regularly, but not at first is all. similar to any console, really

i know all the useful skyrim commands by heart

[full apex]

kill_all, no_enemies, god, noclip, give_item, give_buff, give_equip, spawn_interactable, spawn_ai, are probably the most useful

the gives and spawns are good for tesing

[steady stone]

i only ever used it to see if the void elite item was actually in the game i think

[full apex]

remove_item also exists, but you can give_item a negative number too

[steady stone]

also to test if larva corrupted aspects into it

which it doesn't

[quasi crystal]

Negative give item can do some funky stuff since that's appearantly what the void aspect does for its free safer spaces and you can get -1 that way I forget how

[full apex]

i dont think ive ever managed to have negative stacks

alright this will be a little long but im gonna share some screenshots

[steady stone]

dont get killed by Mithrix bot

[wicked epoch]

[154]ResetChests - Sonorous Whispers

That's interesting.

[full apex]

alright so it is called resetchests wtf

[wicked epoch]

It doesn't reset the chests

[full apex]

i assumed that was sale star or something lmao

[steady stone]

reworked?

[full apex]

the item effect was probably changed in dev

[wicked epoch]

So Artifact of Delusion was originally going to be an item?

[full apex]

cause yea i saw this

[steady stone]

i could see it being like an equipment or sum

[wicked epoch]

And they just never bothered to rename the internal item ID when they changed its function, I guess?

[steady stone]

works fine for them

[full apex]

a lot of hidden or internal items are used for effects. theres an unused helfire tincture item from when it was gonna use an item while active for the effect, but it was changed

[steady stone]

there's quite a lot of unused items actually

[full apex]

yea

[steady stone]

also enemies

[full apex]

a lot of funny hidden items too.

[steady stone]

i remember the new updates added the unused alpha construct stationary boss to the game in the ambry

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1284014231745855571

[wicked epoch]

Right. So... back to my original task... is this correct formatting?

[full apex]

yes i believe that should work

[wicked epoch]

Just in case...

[full apex]

one thing to note, your profile save is loaded into memory when you start the game, and it uses that. so to edit in rebirth items multiple times, you'll have to close the game. even changing profiles, editing the original, and changing back, wont work

[full apex]

honestly good idea. if you fuck it up it wont break anything itll just do nothing for rebirth

but in case anything else gets touched

[wicked epoch]

SUCCESS!

[full apex]

nice!

[full apex]

im gonna reply to my own comment with "internal item name list" so i can search it up later if i need it haha

[wicked epoch]

Can you pin it?

[steady stone]

i feel like one bigger image could be pinned. That or a message that leads to the pictures, since this could be pretty useful, especially in #ror2-modding

since a lot isn't in the wiki yet

[full apex]

i thought about it

i guess its not a bad idea, makes it more searchable. alright, you talked me into it lol

[steady stone]

we've had worse things pinned
#ror2-discussion message

[wicked epoch]

Thank you c:

[rapid current]

Whats the chance with 20 shopping requst form

[rapid current]

How many for 100 legendary

[full apex]

a fuckton, it has diminishing returns

sec

since it has two terminals you probably dont neeeeed 100%, idk what would be the best amount

[quasi crystal]

Shipping requests are the only way to get red tri shops right

[full apex]

do those exist?

[quasi crystal]

Exactly what I'm asking lol

[full apex]

and does shipping request form affect trishops?.

nothing on wiki about it affecting trishops, unless you just mean the shipping form thingy itself since you get both with card?

cool graph

[steady stone]

red tri shops arent even a thing are they?

[full apex]

not that im aware of

[steady stone]

and to elaborate on this, you basically have to keep going until it rounds up because ror2 cant get that precise, like tougher times, i believe.

if it gets smaller every time you won't realistically get to 100% without rounding

you'll just get +0.1, then +0.01, +0.001, etc

[wicked epoch]

Oh my god.

[full apex]

3,000,000 makes the wiki round to 100, its 99.99% before that

the game might be a bit different tho

[steady stone]

just need to know how far their decimals go

probably 12 if i had to guess

seems to be a standard

[full apex]

yea its probable the wiki is just rounding up 99.999%

[steady stone]

generally 50-60 is a good place to stop

60 is 90% on tougher times

255 is only 97%

[wicked epoch]

and just 10 is 60%, right?

[steady stone]

yeah

[full apex]

tougher times is funny because it behaves like armor

[steady stone]

999 is only 99.3% funny enough

not even at the 99.9 area yet

[full apex]

its functionally similar to a 14% health increase per stack linear, which doesnt reeeally diminish

the main difference between it and armor, is that it becomes more consistent at reaching that average reduction whereas armor is just consistent all the time

[steady stone]

yeah because it's just a bunch of math the first result for "how many tougher times for 100% block" is like 16 minutes long

[wicked epoch]

Mithrix be like

Who would win:
999 Teddy bears
1 pre-patch Echo Boi

[full apex]

warped echo is so funny

idk how its ended up so damn broken

[steady stone]

that one atg that mithrix shoots that just obliterates you would win

[full apex]

like the mithrix bug was weird, but not resetting shield/opal is also pretty weird

[wicked epoch]

I mean it's fixed now, right?

[steady stone]

so the other item calls for the "on kill" i believe, but it cant because enemies are his ally, so it just like resets the buff i heard. but they made it reset echo too

[full apex]

the mithrix part is. it being OP on players with shield and potentially opal is whats funny

[wicked epoch]

OP? How so?

[steady stone]

the reasoning might be different about the allies but the resetting the buff is the same

[full apex]

if you dont take HP damage, then it doesnt flag you as in combat

[steady stone]

i find it funnier that echo had a chance to just double your damage taken

it never halved it, you just took it twice

[full apex]

so your shield instantly starts recharging, and if you have opal it will not be put on cooldown

[steady stone]

also the time inbetween was, of course, fps dependant.

[wicked epoch]

So you get 0 cooldown block with Opal?

[full apex]

if you have enough shield or take transcendence, especially with opal, you are suuuuper tanky as long as you have echo charges available. shield fully recharges over 2s, so that means you have essentially 50% regen per second all the time. and opals dramatically ramp your health, by like a ridiculous amount, which is normally balanced by only eating one hit

each opal is effectively 100% base hp increase which is crazy

[steady stone]

also, perma opal is way stronger than you think

that's what newt has and thats why he's so strong

his health scaling is mediocre honestly

[wicked epoch]

ok that's pretty cool

[full apex]

with one opal you are taking half damage, with 2 you are taking 33%, with 3 25%, etc

[wicked epoch]

so then you just have to find an Echo printer and you're set?

[steady stone]

well i mean actually 500000 (+150000 per level) isn't that mediocre but it falls off quicker late game

[full apex]

combined with the crazy fast regen you are basically unkillable as long as echo charges are up. but, when no charges are ready, youll take damage like normal which puts shield and opal on CD

its very powerful but you have to be careful of DoTs, because whether its a teeny fire tick or a mega one shot hit, both take 1 echo charge away

so getting burned or bled can eat through your charges very fast

[wicked epoch]

Oh, the Dota 2 players are very familiar with that from Templar Assassin's Refraction

[full apex]

i suspect it will be fixed eventually, so if you wanna abuse it try it out! its most nuts with trance since you can tank much bigger hits, but it works with like PSG too

if you can get some opals then PSG might be enough by itself to negate a few hits before it breaks through and damages your regular hp

oh also it doesnt properly split the damage either. i keep forgetting to pay attention and test whether or not its dealing 50% up front and 0 on the second tick, or just 100% up front and 0 on the second tick. but the second one is definitely empty while using the shield bug

with hp its fine

[wicked epoch]

And I just thought doubling the efficiency of was a neat synergy

[full apex]

sad thing

it should, and i thought so, but it doesnt actually double RAP or planula

[wicked epoch]

wat

[full apex]

RAP is evenly spread across both hits, and planula only goes off on the first hit. thats because the second has the bypassarmor damage type

so like, say you get hit by a 50 damage attack. echo will make it 25+25. if you have 2 RAP, for -10, instead of being 15+15, it will just reduce the 50 to 40, and deal 20+20

[wicked epoch]

BOOOOOOOOOO

[full apex]

razorwire or thorns and stuff go off twice tho

[wicked epoch]

Yeah I know but still

BOOOOOOOOOO

[full apex]

i really wish planula double dipped. tbh idk why planula is included in bypass armor to begin with but whatever

[wicked epoch]

Gearbox Fix!

[quasi crystal]

My wording was terrible I meant is shipping request the only instance a red will appear in a multi shop

[south cedar]

is there anything i can do about getting stuck on a leaf in treeborn?

[vague acorn]

what survivor are you?

[south cedar]

Engineer xd

[vague acorn]

you might be able to place a turret to clip you out, but it prob won't work

[south cedar]

gotcha

Unrelated note any mods for console commands LOL

[vague acorn]

ror2 has console commands built in, but it disables achievements

[south cedar]

Wait how do you access them?

[vague acorn]

CTRL + ALT + `

[south cedar]

BIG THANK YOU

[full apex]

debug toolkit is amazing

[south cedar]

i jus wanna fix my run 😭

[full apex]

fixes the 'cheats' stuff in the base game console and adds a ton of powerful commands with autocomplete to help make it easier to use

i dont remember if base game has noclip. i dont think it does

might be able to next_stage

[south cedar]

there's set scene would that work?

[full apex]

It could yea

Does it autocomplete any stage names for you?

[south cedar]

no lmao

[full apex]

Where would you wanna go?

[south cedar]

sundered grove

[full apex]

I know some internal names. I don't remember sundered maybe rootjungle?

[south cedar]

their file names arent even in the wiki D:

[full apex]

Or bazaar also works if you wanna just go to the next stage

[south cedar]

oo that works but it seems i cannot enable cheats

im doing cheats and it says enabled cheats ..... but not allowed

[full apex]

Yea, thats the problem with base game console. I heard cheats was removed but i dont know myself. I think it used to disable unlocks too

[south cedar]

gotchaa

[full apex]

Debug toolkit bypasses that but if you are midrun that doesn't help a ton haha

[onyx coral]

Im curious

[south cedar]

i'll just install the mod you suggested and get back items and stuff i think

thank you sm for help :D

[onyx coral]

Is this on console? Because we can use a keyboard if you plug it in

I doubt it but yknowm

[vague acorn]

lemme check the wiki

it appears no (source is wiki.gg)

[onyx coral]

Makes sense lmao

[vague acorn]

can bandit:B&E be done on false son?

[onyx coral]

No

[vague acorn]

😔

[full apex]

Yea nw

Give_item for your stuff, team_set_level 1 [ur level here], fixed_time whatever the time was in seconds, and next_stage until the stages passed is correct

[onyx coral]

Wait thats the despardo unlock just o make sure?

[full apex]

Should be basically the same run by then

[vague acorn]

yup

[full apex]

The 1 in team_set_level is which team, 1 is players 2 is enemies

[south cedar]

WE R SO BACK thank u very much

[vestal meadow]

Yeah I think the main thing is that he still insists on rushing the teleporter, even though most of the community says that fully looting is better, since your items can outscale the time-based difficulty

[full apex]

yea. theres a lot of reasons to focus on loot primarily, including a ton of math and testing stuff we have done in the past

[jaunty zinc]

is there any notable tech for false son, viend, runner or seeker

[full apex]

stuff like how increasing stage exponentially ramps difficulty (and therefore chest costs), but also chest costs only scale up when they spawn. but enemy gold rewards scale up in real time. so chests effectively get cheaper the longer you are on a stage. when you change stage, you make chests more expensive, reset them, increase difficulty, and also lose all your stored gold and have to wait for new enemies to spawn. so its so much better to grab the loot instead of leaving it behind

speedrunning mentality came from the idea of maximizing loot per time, since time scales difficulty, and the idea was that avoiding some loot lets you start a new stage with more stuff to find faster. but in practice, stage increases exponentially ramping difficulty coeff means you want to optimize items per time, but also per stage, because both make the game harder and the core idea is max items per difficulty point

[jaunty zinc]

that isn't just "do this because it's convenient" like ballista blink cancel on huntress or minor gameplay things that just aren't mentioned like bandit reload speed or acrid m1 sprint cancels

[lime scarab]

Seekers got repulsion plates for soljurn (idk if spelled correctly) wungus is irritating for viend for coruption, false son and stone plate pauldrons are interesting, idk if that is what you mean though

[vague acorn]

seeker with repulsion+planula lets u use sojourn for a lot longer, make sure not to heal if u want viend corruption, and false son growth is good, as just one bison steak gets u a free lunar spike

[steady stone]

the kids are discovering the tincture build again

[quasi crystal]

what are some tips / good items for acrid?

after a bunch of playtime i think ive only played him once

[full apex]

if you dont already know about it, his m1 animations can be canceled which greatly improves his dps

[nova breach]

backup mags are good

[full apex]

tapping sprint after dealing damage lets you immediately move to the next step in the combo. if you dont feel like canceling every attack thats fine, but try to at least cancel after the third swing because it has a looot of endlag

[nova breach]

also poison > blight in most cases

[full apex]

bite also can be used to cancel

[full apex]

blight is fine, a lot of enemies dont have super high hp and acrid has high base damage so until you are mid-late game its common for it to just deal the minimum of 100% base damage per sec, and once you are approaching late game neither are super impactful compared to your items

early game youll likely get better value out of blight and being able to kill makes flying enemies significantly less annoying. being able to stack also rewards a very aggressive playstyle, which is probably the best way to play acrid

[quasi crystal]

thats a funny way to spell warbonds

[nova breach]

warbonds best item thank you GB

[full apex]

the DoTs cant crit, but are affected by stuff like AP rounds or focus crystal tho so those are good

his leap is super powerful as a mobility tool, and having 2 charges lets you climb steep walls if you try to aim to hit the wall midway and use the second leap in midair

[quasi crystal]

does delicate watch affect poison

[full apex]

yes

[quasi crystal]

leap seems to scale really really well with sprint speed

[full apex]

if you want to try a funny build, acrid is one of the few characters that can use light flux and be very strong

[quasi crystal]

what kind of playstyle does acrid usually go for

[full apex]

blight with 4-5 light flux will basically ruin your m1, spit is kinda useable but not great and bite becomes unusable, but leap can be spammed suuuuuper aggressively because 0.5s cooldown which makes you unbelievably mobile, including climbing walls almost forever, it pumps out stuns, and stacking the pools gives pretty solid dps. his special being spammed becomes a dps and proc machine that you dont even need to aim

normally though, youd do something like using special off CD since it spreads pretty well, it has infinite range so you can shoot stuff across the map if you want. you can use leaps to traverse, or to fight. leaping in and saving a stock will let you leap out if things get iffy, or if you are confident you can spam the leaps for more dps

if you have spit just kinda use it between m1 combos, if you have bite you can use it to help cancel the m1 combo. the regen from bite+m1 third swing is quite good, and can let you tank stuff pretty well for a while

leap, spit, and epidemic are agile, so sprint synergy items work well on acrid

[jaunty zinc]

knew these already & they're not super super useful but but you

[copper vigil]

Can the blue portals spawn in drizzle mode?

[steady stone]

Yeah. They're random spawns unless you interact with the Newt Altar that spawns every stage.

[full apex]

difficulty doesnt change the chance

the chance for them to naturally spawn is also bugged, they tried to raise it but changed it somewhere and its being overwritten by the old value in a different spot. its like 5% or something

yea this is an ancient changelog

this is what it actually is

[vague acorn]

oh and there's a false son inf slam (bug)

if u charge up slam, then jump over a slope, as you land let go of slam and press sprint, and u should get stuck in inf charging the slam, if u press space then the charge ends, charging it makes it have more radius

[jaunty ledge]

Didnt they fix that slam bug

[rigid sinew]

can tonic affliction get egod???

[full apex]

i dont believe so

[cursive compass]

no, its the same as broken watches and elixirs

[brazen sluice]

TIL: if you are at the enemy cap when you charge a green portal shrine, you dont get a halcyonite and therefore you get no item pack. you just throw your money and time away for nothing

[full apex]

this is for ego, it confirms the item isnt notier before consuming it. the grayed out stuff from consumed items are classed as notier

[full apex]

this is tragic

altho
keeping 40 enemies around is not exactly easy haha

[brazen sluice]

doesnt even store the halcyonite spawning until theres spawning space. you just simply loose out

[brazen sluice]

it is if youre captain 🙂

[full apex]

oh shock?

[brazen sluice]

yup

or if youre stage 5+. the sheer amount of times ive killed a gup and it doesnt split due to enemy cap is kinda absurd

[vague acorn]

they tried too lol

[full apex]

idk if ive ever seen a gup not split, except when executing them with seers

[jaunty ledge]

That doesn't answer my question
Did they or did they not

[brazen sluice]

shock is my favorite beacon for that reason tho. just lock everything down lol

[full apex]

youd think it dying would at least drop to 39 briefly but meyb not

[jaunty ledge]

I somewhat remember it being in the pc patch notes

[vague acorn]

they patched the easier method of doing it, you can still do it using slopes tho

[full apex]

shock is the strongest beacon imo

equipment can be wild but its way less consistent

[jaunty ledge]

Ah

[brazen sluice]

happens to me all the time on medows, especially if im in the "i have money, just run and loot" phase

[full apex]

thats fair

i play a lot of engi and acrid too so im probably pretty prone to collateral killing straggler enemies

[brazen sluice]

ah that makes sense

acrid kills things just by existing

[full apex]

i shared your message cause i thought it was funny, and a friend shared this back

thats what i thought too! i wonder if its a bug, or if that director isnt configured properly

i might have to mess with it some time and see how it is behaving

[brazen sluice]

yea i thought it would ignore it too

also i like how when you static trap everything, whenever you do kill something, something super tough spawns in its place lol

cuz the director is just hoarding credits at that point

[full apex]

oh yea cause the director is probably saving up that whole time

i wonder how crazy you could get that. you can get it to happen by being out of range of any valid map nodes too, there arent any valid spaces near you to spawn so the director just fails and saves

[brazen sluice]

ok so heres a question: sometimes the director does that on stage 4, sometimes stage 3 as well but mostly 4, where you get super tough pre-spawns and then taking forever to try and kill them just results in the director stockpiling credits so the entire stage from then on is just pure hell. any way to combat that?

i asked this a while back and all i got was just a troll answer "kill faster and git gud"

[full apex]

i believe arti flamethrower does scale with AS nowadays, but it did not always

[full apex]

im not sure ive noticed something like this

i dont remember if the prespawned enemies have different stat scaling, i wanna say yes but i dont rember

[serene vector]

doing my eclipse runs theres been a lot more spawns sometimes so yeah probs director stuff

[full apex]

i think this is what i was rembering

[brazen sluice]

well i guess i should preface that this is what i think is happening. often ill get to stage 4 and the director just cranks up the dificulty to oblivion from the start of the stage despite the timer being at the same time as other runs where that didnt happen. like nonstop elite elder lemurians, elite golems, and bosses. ill be on grove and not a single mushroom will spawn, just nonstop elite golems and bosses. i figure this is the cause

[full apex]

is this post sots?

or was it before as well

because actually what you are explaining is making sense to me now with the elite change in sots

[brazen sluice]

been happening to me since pre SOTV even

like pre dlc1

still happens to me today

[full apex]

in the most recent DLC, a new tier of elite was added, 1.5. its only available from stage 3+, its basically just tier 1 elites, same stats, but they cost a bit over half as much

so the game will be spamming elite enemies at you much harder despite them being equally as hard to kill. but thats a SotS thing

(i think its stupid personally it makes me sadge because like why)

[brazen sluice]

wait, im confused. wouldnt that make less elites spawn?

if they are the same dificulty to kill but cost more, shouldnt the game be easier?

[full apex]

they cost less

3.5x cost instead of 6x

[brazen sluice]

ooohhh, i read that wrong. thought you said they cost 1.5x as much

[full apex]

nah thats just what they call the new tier

[brazen sluice]

yea thats dumb. if it costs less than make them have less stats/difficulty

[full apex]

they retain the 4x hp and 2x damage, but give less rewards because they cost less

and spawn more frequently ofc

[brazen sluice]

yea thats realy dumb

but either way its not whats been happening to me cuz this has been going on since before dlc1

[full apex]

it doesnt impact your income, ideally every dollar the director makes, you will also make, no matter how or what spawns. if stuff die by like falling off the world without you hitting them youll miss out but otherwise your income is pretty consistently tied to the directors

but this means that from stage 3+ you will notice a pretty fair spike in difficulty, as enemies will effectively be tankier than they would otherwise

because youll end up fighting 2 4x hp enemies instead of 1 for the same cost

(ish cause 3.5 isnt half of 6 but you get the idea)

notably, 3.5x cost is the multiplier honor uses for its enemy spawning, but that is compensated by lowering the stats. hp 4 -> 2.5, damage 2 -> 1.5

[serene vector]

i've had a few times that halyconite just drops through the ground after spawning and i cant get money cause i didnt have a chance to hit him

[jaunty zinc]

knew

[steady stone]

If you can, I'd try to gather more info on it, like if there's a consistent spot it seems to happen at or something, and file a bug report, since they seem to help the dev team a good bit.

[vestal meadow]

Anyone know what the "Enable Tutorial" checkbox does when you select Drizzle difficulty?

[full apex]

chinchi is interested in looking deeper into the code and behaviors for this director

they will probably look into it tomorrow which might help us figure out whats up, since even if the director didnt override the enemy cap it should keep trying basically forever until theres a slot. so its weird if it doesnt

[quasi crystal]

to anyone that played pre sotv
did void reavers attack other monsters at that time? what about on the moon? I know reavers were changed in sotv so i was curious

[leaden field]

I didn’t really ever pay attention to it but I don’t thiiiink so?

[full apex]

theres no note about it in the wiki patch history but it could be hidden

or well
is there a void team nowadays? im p sure there is

[serene vector]

they seem to happen really really randomly, and half the time I cant even see it because it's already dropped through the ground before I even laid my eyes on it, but I can try yeah

[full apex]

if they were just moved to spawn on that team, that could cause a change without changing them specifically

here we go

[quasi crystal]

maybe they were on the lunar team before? Like i cant find any info on this lol

[brazen sluice]

dear GBX, please update titanic planes and distant roost so they, you know, actually have credits to spawn chests with. thank you

i absolutely refuse to play those maps. everyone complains "forest is too big" but its about the same size as titanic and actually has loot

[full apex]

i dont think its too big

i dont bother resetting personally, but getting roost is such a dissappointment. even before the forest was added, roost has pathetic weights. its not uncommon to get < 3 chests, and i know someone who actually got 0 chests on stage 1 which is like wtf. you walk around the entire map and its a complete waste of time hahaha

alt roost is also the only stage with the possibility of generating 0 newt altars, every other one is at least 1. wtf

[brazen sluice]

yea roost is by far my least favorite map. rndthursday was on roost post loop with solitude and he was like "the depressing thing is that we get no loot here because im max level" and im like "no you get no loot because its roost"

[brazen sluice]

also peak captain gameplay btw

[rancid jewel]

Is 5-8 minutes for the first few stages even viable?

[serene vector]

it is, why wouldnt it be

[rancid jewel]

Ion know, that's why I'm asking

[crude zephyr]

does beating the false son and rebirthing on monsoon count for the mastery skin?

[crude zephyr]

It is viable, but it is much easier when done with either a survivor you know and trust your skills in, or with the artifact of command and a plan

[serene vector]

its subjective per person, but its fine to full loot each stage, but you can always optimize your pathing to make sure you dont waste time, I saw someone that said that, if you have more items than minutes, you should be fine (mostly) and it does hold true even in eclipse

[rancid jewel]

Thanks🙏

[hasty glen]

Does this effect stack with artificier's Ice wall?

[crude zephyr]

It should, since it is damage caused by that player

[hasty glen]

I mean it as in, does it increase the threshold of what is considered "Low health" if it is used with ice wall?

Shit, I worded that really poorly, I hope you understand what I meant though lol

[crude zephyr]

Ah, then I have no idea

[full apex]

I believe they replace each other. Higher is preferred.

[hasty glen]

Ahh okay, that makes sense

[short laurel]

i know i just joined but im stuck inside a giant moshpit of my own lemurians in the gold portal, unable to leave, is there a way to get unstuck 😭

I have such a good run and dont wanna lose it

[full apex]

I saw that
lmao
Out of combat is like attacking canceling whip, out of danger is like shield recharging after not taking damage.

[hasty glen]

Shit

[full apex]

U might be stuck lol, ive never had that happen but it sounds silly

[full apex]

Tbh i cheated sorry!

I checked the logs hahaha

[hasty glen]

Okay, so there IS a difference, I felt silly asking that question lmao

[full apex]

Yep!

[short laurel]

so im just screwed? Lol

[full apex]

Im just not sure what you could do if you cant move or kill them... Without console mods for noclip or smth

[short laurel]

unless I just hold W in one direction and hope they move

[full apex]

If your movement abilities aren't enough idk

If you can sloooooowly move then maybe theres hope!

[short laurel]

I have 27 elite elders surrounding me so I can only pray

[full apex]

Oh god lol

Is that from devotion or smth? Ive actually never seriously used it

[short laurel]

and I dont have much mobility as Mult-T

[short laurel]

yes it is

[full apex]

If its repeatable it might be worth suggesting adding a failsafe or something

[short laurel]

i honestly have no clue what that is or how to even do it

[full apex]

Cause yea softlocks that force you to quit feel so bad...

Although i always play with debug console mods, because sometimes you just gotta cheat a bit haha.

[short laurel]

it is repeatable its just a pain

yea understandable

I appreciate the help

issue is there are clearly gaps i could squeeze by but the hitboxes make it impossible

[hushed slate]

how do ppl shoot ballista quickly almost in an instant manner?

[full apex]

mash m1 i presume

[short laurel]

I got out finally, thank goodness

[full apex]

now to get trapped again later but on a stage where time moves and crai lmao

[short laurel]

Dont say that 😭

[uncut wadi]

Mash m1 and r

Both r and m1 fire the bolts

So you just spam both keys as you're pulling up the ballista and it should instafire

[hushed slate]

oooh

other than bleed what other items dont work well with huntress?

[short laurel]

i insta died to a void reaver-

[full apex]

proc chains are always a safe idea

otherwise generally good stuff like movement speed, since shes the only char with a base health down defensive items like teddy are nice

[eternal storm]

do twisted scavengers count toward's acrid's "bad medicine" achievement?

[full apex]

nop

they are technically a different body

[hushed slate]

i got double bands atg uke and sticky bomb rn i think that should be all right

[full apex]

If you can grab one of the perforators or meathook those would add a lot. The chain items ramp each other pretty hard

[primal terrace]

Wouldn't hurt to grab Will-o-the-Wisp, since they can potentially start their own lil proc chains

[serene vector]

meathook is just better ukelele :0

[full apex]

basically. but they can work with each other so

[hushed slate]

which one of the two perferators is actually preferred

[serene vector]

if you want single target dps, charged

molten is more for crowd damage since the fire flies everywhere

[hushed slate]

hmm

cause for aoe i got uke and m2 as huntress

charged it is then

[vague acorn]

Although molten is a lot easier to get

[full apex]

tbh i prefer molten, it just has potential to put out soooooooooooo much

and the burn makes their damage pretty similar even if its performing poorly. but on some enemies it wont be as reliable. charged does have a short delay like royal cap, they are literally the same effect lmao (which also means it rerolls crit even tho it should inherit, and therefore never crits on railer), so it can miss things moving too quickly but usually its pretty reliable

molten has a surprisingly large 8m aoe, and to help with slow or immobile enemies one meatball always goes straight up so if the target doesnt move much or at all it will always get at least one hit.

its 300% total, but the burn is for 50% of the damage so it deals 450% total per meatball

thats what they are officially called btw. and i love it

[serene vector]

fire meatballs damn

[frigid glen]

do you guys prefer strafe or flurry? idk what benefits each give other than flurry doing more dmg

[full apex]

i like flurry but a lot of people justifiably like strafe

it only takes 21% crit to have better dps, and 26% to have better procs per sec for like bleed, though it will take a bit more to have better total damage proc dps for like atg.

a second major consideration is that both of her m1s are pretty weak, so having a weaker m1 on stage 1 while you have no items can slow you down

strafe will outperform always at the beginning of a run when you have nothing, and getting unlucky with no crit can feel pretty bad even if you dont need a ton for it to work decently well

[frigid glen]

good to know thanks

btw am i tweaking or does shooting commandos grenades make them blow up?

[full apex]

it shouldnt

probably just funny timing

they explode after bouncing

[frigid glen]

yeah prob

it would be a cool buff tho

hyper charging them or making them shoot shrapnel if htey get hit by a bullet mid-air or smth

they kinda weak unless you use them alot so alot of ppl dont use it

[full apex]

yea hit special slot is pretty replaceable with essence, especially since that works so well with his proc rate. frags are still better than suppressive fire tho lol

[livid wedge]

Agree to disagree

[icy topaz]

Both commando special suck

[tacit summit]

true but also not true sometimes

if you have brainstalks his default r is better than his m1

[icy topaz]

If can stack attack speed then default better and if have bands then alternative

[tacit summit]

cause its same proc coef but fires faster

his alt r is kinda hard to land tho

[full apex]

if you have brainstalks you can spam the hell out of grenades

[tacit summit]

true aswell

[full apex]

also you need a surprising amount of AS for supp to outperform, even if you arent getting much out of nades, because the nade anim speeds up too and its already so short you get to spend much more time m1ing, and m1 scales with AS

supp scales with AS which is good but you also cant m1 while using it which is something thats easy to not think about

[tacit summit]

wait nade animation speeds up?

[full apex]

i actually have this, Withor made it forever ago. its supp vs nade vs no special m1 only dps as it scales with attack speed

nades is assumed just one target sweetspot hit so if you are missing it would be a bit lower but if you are getting aoe value it will be much higher. it takes a surprising amount before supp is passing

the chunks you see are caused by frame rounding, where more attack speed isnt making the breakpoint for being 1 frame faster so it stalls until it is, commando has some unused jankery in his m1 code that manifests at higher attack speeds.

the middle jump where suppressive starts almost catching up to nades is around the 4.6 AS point, which is like 24 syringes

[full apex]

yea its just really short to begin with so it isnt insanely impactful

[analog brook]

How big is the sweetspot for grenade

I kinda never tried to learn it because of how abnormally small it felt

[full apex]

errr i dont actually remember the aoe size lol. sweetspot is the center half of the aoe

i dont see it on wiki. i forgot that because its a burst of damage tho it can trigger damage stun on a handful of enemies like golems so even tho its not stunning it can stun sometimes haha

[hidden ginkgo]

Risk of Rain 2 nerds, I haven't played Rex in a long long time, what skills are you using?

[full apex]

plant

[hidden ginkgo]

I'm using Default Utility, and Alt Secondary and Special

[full apex]

i dont remember the skill names off the top of my head sec

[analog brook]

Rex's alternative special is one of the worst abilities in the game. It's hard to tell if you mean alt as in the one you have to unlock or the one that's on the right though because Rex's abilities are sorted differently

Alt special is the fruits

[full apex]

bramble volley in util (self damage isnt a big deal, and it heals A LOT especially if you hit multiple enemies. you have enough healing its still fine to use for exploration mobility. losing weaken is fine, his m1 weakens)

[hidden ginkgo]

On the right, sorry, I forgot which ones were unlocks or not.

[full apex]

fruiting isnt too bad if you can use it well, the problem is the root is just so much better lol

[hidden ginkgo]

Robot Utility, Plant Special and Secondary

[analog brook]

Yeah that's fair, everyone always gets them wrong because it goes again the pre established rules

[full apex]

you can get full heals out of fruiting pretty easily and it deals more damage up front, but most of your damage is from bramble and m2, the root is crazy good, and the healing from it is both awesome and remote. you dont need to pick anything up

[hidden ginkgo]

So all plant then yeah?

[full apex]

m2 either works, drill is safer and is funny with procs and bleed, esp with backup mags, but you need to use the root well to get the most value. and barrage is just insanely good dps wise, you have to be a bit careful with melting your health bar but you have tons of healing and balancing drain and heal is kinda the funnest part of his kit imo

i do use drill from time to time, i dont think its bad per say, but barrage is almost certainly stronger so a lot of people really dislike drill

whats funny is that drill is significantly better than arrow rain, REXs m2 and huntress's special lmao

the base special, the root flower, costs % current hp but heals % max. so using it when you are at lower hp makes it cheaper, but it will heal the same amount.

[full apex]

alright got some responses!

[hidden ginkgo]

Does Col. Droneman have health regen? Idk why he's surviving in void fields but I'm not complaining

[hidden ginkgo]

That's so based.

[quasi crystal]

tysm

[quasi crystal]

why the fuck are there lemurians on sundered

[analog brook]

They're just in the spawn pool there, reason why it's an elite is most likely the bugged elite spawns

[ornate gust]

There were always them on sundered

[quasi crystal]

Did the dlc change that? Because before sots gups would be there

[errant cosmos]

I have a question

for anyone

[quasi crystal]

There were no sotv monsters here

[ornate gust]

Both were there

Gups and elder lemurians both spawned

[ornate gust]

Ye?

[quasi crystal]

I have never seen any Lemurian spawn in sundered after buying sotv until today so I was confused

[ornate gust]

Ive seen em plenty

[errant cosmos]

how is it possible that I did more damage in one hit then I did in my entire run

[quasi crystal]

And as I said it was acting like I didn't have sotv no sotv items or monsters

[ornate gust]

Probably the integers bugged out

[errant cosmos]

they bugged out this bad?

[quasi crystal]

Map before was sulfur pools

[ornate gust]

LOL yep

I assume it hit the integer limit

[errant cosmos]

understandable

[ornate gust]

Someone with more knowledge could expand on it more

[ornate gust]

U have a watch tho

[quasi crystal]

Yeah from the last map...

[errant cosmos]

for as long as I've played (3 years) they've always spawned on there for me

[quasi crystal]

I'm just saying no sotv monsters or items in the entire map is weird lol

[white oak]

sundered big lemurian is normal

[ornate gust]

Yep

[quasi crystal]

I've never seen one that's so weird lol very well then

[ornate gust]

U probably forgor

But they always spawned

[errant cosmos]

another question for anyone that's picked up shaped glass

[ornate gust]

Like in general?

[errant cosmos]

yes

[ornate gust]

I mean yeah ive picked it up

[errant cosmos]

what was your highest stack of it

[ornate gust]

Oh nothing significant

[quasi crystal]

Well I'll concede lol I swear since in between buying sotv in August and today I've never seen one but if you're all saying it's normal I believe it lmao must have been lucky or something

[errant cosmos]

yeah me too, i think I got 103 in this run

[white oak]

the wiki seems to say they spawn on sundered only with "no expansion" I don't know whats that supposed to mean though

[ornate gust]

Yeah wait the wiki says that gups do replace elder lemurians

[ornate gust]

I think we just gaslit u frfr

[white oak]

I def remember seeing them but then that was pre expansion I guess? I feel like I also saw them in sotv though 🤨

[ornate gust]

Some base game monsters get replaced by the dlc monsters

[ornate gust]

Yeah strange

Imma just gonna go in and see for myself

[quasi crystal]

Wow

Here I was thinking the game just forgot I had sotv for one level you tell me It's normal behavior and now you're doubting yourselves

[ornate gust]

We got mandella effected

[white oak]

mandella effect looking ass

[ornate gust]

Is there a console command to just spawn u at stage 4

[white oak]

maybe sots is goofing up enemy spawns or changed them I wouldnt be surprised

[quasi crystal]

Well I'd LOVE them to goof up xi constructs and give me good bosses instead of me effortlessly one shotting stuff then next stage just spawning me into 9 glacial elders lol

[ornate gust]

Honestly, id take gups over elder lemurians

So thats a win

[quasi crystal]

Unless I'm speeds running I'll cheer over a gup event

[glacial knoll]

Elder Lemurian were replaced with Gups in Sotv spawn pools

The game just can not handle multiple DLC spawn pools correctly, so it just chose one with only "Sots" content for that map. That's why no gups and the "replacing elders" also didn't happen

This is a bug on every single map because Hopoos implentation sucks and Gearbox didn't make it work for multiple DLCs either

(Also means like Void interactables and Halcyon Shrines are around 30% rarer than they are intended to be)

[quasi crystal]

It also occured to me I was running the game vanilla whereas I usually use the sots fixer modpack

[glacial knoll]

I don't think there's any standalone mod to fix this

[white oak]

ty for the explanation

[quasi crystal]

Swear some mod lets this happen but idk

[obtuse rose]

how do you get better UI with thunderstore?
i cant seem to find it

[glacial knoll]

If you do find it please tell me, else I can make a standalone version because I included the fix in my general gameplay/spawn pool mod but that's not very "stand alone"

[glacial knoll]

Better UI was removed after the owner had some, arguments, and generally left the community not nicely

LookingGlass is a modern alternative
there's another one too but I forgot the name

[graceful dust]

Got any awesomer vanila mutliplayer compatible mods?

[steady stone]

A general rule for if only the host will need it is if it says client side and doesn't add content it has a good chance of working.

For example, ShrineOfDios added a new revival shrine, but because what it did was actually override the shrine of the woods and not actually add a new one, it worked fine

If it doesn't physically add anything to the game though, it will only affect you, like UI mods for example. If you use LookingGlass only you will see the UI.

[graceful dust]

I see

So just mods with server sided and maybe some client sided?

[steady stone]

If there is a problem with a mod, it won't even let people join, and will say there's a compatibility issue with X mod

So it's easy to fix if you download one that doesn't work

[quasi crystal]

Another example is nobossnowait

[graceful dust]

I remember downloading a mod called betterchef

[quasi crystal]

That would probably require everyone

[graceful dust]

It does work in vanila mutliplayer however it sometimes replaces another player's skill with another skill

very odd how that happens

Never happens to the host doe

[steady stone]

Probably a line in the code to prevent that

But obviously they don't have the code

[graceful dust]

Prevent what exactly?

[steady stone]

Aforementioned bug of replacing skills

If you have the mod it would probably use the code to prevent it from happening

[graceful dust]

I checked the logs and it said something about malformed package

[steady stone]

Microsoft has learn pages about every function known to man, being the creator of Visual Studios

If I had to guess they try to pull data, the data is wrong, and it overrides to a default.

Normally if something goes wrong it's mentioned a lot in the logs

[analog brook]

That's so fucking grim the dlc arnt even truly compitable with themselves even in terms of interactables or enemies wow wow wow

[hoary sedge]

so wait if a stage spawns a halcyon shrine it will never have void cradles and vice versa? or am i misinterpreting

[glacial knoll]

Base Game stages are meant to have 3 DLC spawn pools (DLC1, DLC2, DLC1+DLC2)
But the game currently can't pick just one or "the best" one. So it just allows all of them to be picked.
Making it in theory a 1/3 chance for no Sotv, 1/3 No Sots and 1/3 for both enabled.

Because of how many spawn pools are just, straight up not asigned tho.
(Ie GolemPlains is missing StormOnly, so it's just a choice between DLC1 and DLC1+2)
The actual chances are quite different

[broken vessel]

where can i see how many crabs i have to throw off into the void for "the demons and the crabs" achievement?

bc i just did a run where i threw around 14 of them in the void but i didn't really count how many of them i actually did throw

[ornate gust]

If u go to the challenges tab in the logbook u can see how much is completed, it doesnt state the number but it shows your progress

Its not the most convenient but it gives u an idea of how much is left

[broken vessel]

thank you, but i'm screaming inside as i might have only needed one more

[ornate gust]

Lmaooo rip

This is the same for acrid's one too, his inflict poison 1000 times one

[broken vessel]

you do that while playing so it's just a waiting game, for the crabs you have to go for it, that's why i'm even more sad

[ornate gust]

Yep its annoying

That was the last item achievement i got aswell

But its a very good item so its worth the hassle

[broken vessel]

it's the last item achievement for me too

[ornate gust]

Ah nice

[broken vessel]

Since when can a legendary chest spawn here?

[broken vessel]

yup, it was only one last crab

[ornate gust]

There can be rare spawns after loops i believe

[ornate gust]

Awesome

[broken vessel]

nice, i never knew

[ornate gust]

Yep, i once got 2 legendary chests on abyssal

The guaranteed and some random one lmao

It was hype

[vapid swan]

Are runs stats still glitched? Think that's one of my most anticipated changes so I can see exactly how much damage my broken 8 hour run got

Doubt it frankly 😞

[broken vessel]

just learnt that aurelionite can get become voidtouched from the little void things

fun fact, you also can become voidtouched

[tender temple]

well yeah wake of vultures

[frosty steeple]

are proc items good with artificer or should i mainly focus on dmg, aoe and burn?

[eternal storm]

well artificer doesnt hit super often like commando so personally i like stuff like bands and ignition tanks better but you cant really go wrong with an atg or a sticky bomb its just more damage

[ornate gust]

Yeah its very cool

Lol itd be funny if your drones started attacking when u were

[broken vessel]

that'd be artifact of chaos at home

[ornate gust]

Indeed

[ornate gust]

Atgs can do BEEG damage but generally burst damage items are better like bands and crowbars ete etc, tho picking up a bleed and atg every now and then doesnt hurt, unless u do purity with her then just drop any proc item

[frosty steeple]

is vrit worth getting on her?

[trim narwhal]

no

[frosty steeple]

ok

that's good because i didn't pick it up and i left the stage

[vapid swan]

I'd say crit is worth it on everyone, it's just better for some more than others

Think lenses are least useful on railgunner tbh

most useful on huntress by a mile

[wicked epoch]

If you have a Sonorous Whispers and your friend, who doesn't have one, gets the kill on a boss monster, does it still drop the item?

[vapid swan]

nope

Actually, maybe? pretty sure no

Wiki doesn't disagree with the description, so... I guess so? But I dunno, wouldn't work properly if multiple had one under that context

[ornate gust]

Nah, cuz ur the one with the item

So only u can activate the effect of the sonorous

Same logic as u having a gasoline and ur friend doesnt

[wicked epoch]

How long do you guys hold onto Prayer Beads before you cash it in? I got this on this stage

[ornate gust]

I usually do it when its at like 21 stacks ish

[vapid swan]

I just scrap it whenever I find another

[wicked epoch]

Are Elites still spawning way more often than they should or did they fix that too?

[ornate gust]

Its still there

They are gonna be fixing it next patch

From what they mentioned on twitter

[short laurel]

whats the difference between the x under the artifact and just nothing there?

[rapid current]

Does ego corrupta rvery item even void?

[primal terrace]

The 'X' underneath an artifact is for multiplayer, and is basically a vote to keep it off

[mortal basalt]

can someone give me a little hint for the guardian of sirens call without spoiling it

[mortal basalt]

oh now i know

[full apex]

Is this real? The elite thing is totally not a bug, they added a new tier. But i h8 it, so if they are planning to address it i am interested