gd1-nullified

[solid siren]

less dps than rex m2

[storm mica]

23 sec unless you don't charge it up

[ruby dragon]

but that's her only AOE atm from what we know

[earnest prairie]

(it is piercing) (it pierces targets) (it has the potential to hit more than 1 target at a time)

[solid siren]

3.0 proc coefficient

[woeful gorge]

ukulele has a 75% chance to trigger, and it's bounces with NO ITEMS do over 8000%

that is more than a crowbar nanobomb per bounce

[earnest prairie]

ok? huntress also doesn't have any fucking damage
those 5 seconds are meaningless because railgunner has insane mobility due to concussion mines
not even factoring in supercharger her base scoped m1 is literally 3000% damage per shot

[jovial field]

she's going to spawn a 3 ATGs per 10 enemies hit, each dealing 30k% dmg

at 1 ATG stack

[woeful gorge]

40k% but yes

[solid siren]

not 40k%?

[ruby dragon]

All I'm saying is, she looks really fun and cool 🤷

[woeful gorge]

it's only 10k%, easy mistake to make

[signal cipher]

It's the same as Diablo, I don't see the problem

[jovial field]

wow, we agree, not the same conversation as balance, but sure

[worn barn]

honestly her 3.0 proc coefficient is the problem

[earnest prairie]

she does look fun and cool
but she has twice the dps of all other survivors
balance YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[zenith obsidian]

railgunner is p2w

[woeful gorge]

she does genuinely look really enjoyable, but supercharger is just fucking stupid man

[worn barn]

pay to win what? it's a roguelike with nothing to grind lol

[edgy birch]

they made sniping look really elegant and nice thats for sure
its just a lot of big numbers

[jovial field]

i think you're having that issue some people have with taking criticism as a personal attack on your character

[zenith obsidian]

nuts

[ruby dragon]

well this is all in numbers. we don't know how she'll be in practice, plus like you said. she's not even out yet so they will probably make changes to her

[jovial field]

it do be nuts

[worn barn]

that's nuts

[edgy birch]

im genuinely laughing my ass off over the 3 proc coef tho because it feels so uneccessary and silly

[signal cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[worn barn]

i have been wooshed.
i now have to stay in the corner and cri

[ruby dragon]

also, huh?

[worn barn]

i have been defeated

[earnest prairie]

supercharger just has a shit ton of extra multipliers for no reason on top of having 3.0 proc coeff
like
supercharger doesn't need to have the perfect reload multiplier
it doesn't need to have a secondary weakspot multiplier
there is no reason for those extra multipliers to be there and make the ability even more broken
just 4k% base with a wider hitbox would already be good because she has easily accessible crits

[signal cipher]

Although yeah she is pay to win and it makes senee

[earnest prairie]

"probably make changes to her" yeah like they did with loader surely

[signal cipher]

You paid 15 bucks for this character and she'll win you every game

Just like Smash DLC

[jovial field]

i don't think this was intentional, look at loader

[grand compass]

sniping would be probably insanely hard

[woeful gorge]

mmmm

[signal cipher]

Railgunner is even stronger than loader from what I've been reading

[zenith obsidian]

remember, we dont know what the other survivor is and it could be more op

[earnest prairie]

true

[grand compass]

the only logical answer

[native bear]

doesn't railgunner make cheesing mithrix on top of a pillar way easier (not that you should)

[edgy birch]

he does kinda walk up to a stone titan and 1 tap it in the dev thoughts, and uses stricly sniping for second half of the simulacrum footage

[ruby dragon]

chef

[signal cipher]

ARE YOU READY FOR ANOTHER VOID DOGGO HAHAHAHAHAHA
SO COOL

[jovial field]

i'm more talking about the sandbox loader was released in, and how other survivors compared to her

[signal cipher]

Or for the brand new survivor COOK

[earnest prairie]

i am
i am 100% yes give me another monster survivor yes please yes yea
unironically

[woeful gorge]

^

[native bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565729054620385280/938194364415504434/podtease.gif

yeah it's miner

[signal cipher]

NO

[solid siren]

supercharged might be fine if it was 1500%

[zenith obsidian]

its minecraft steve??+?

[earnest prairie]

we have enough humanoids
void roach

[native bear]

yessir

[jovial field]

void bat

[woeful gorge]

if you fuck up the perfect reload and miss the weak spot it still does more damage than crowbar nanobomb, and with a 3 proc coeff

[signal cipher]

Honestly make her entire kit heavy and agile and with slayer tbh tbh

[worn barn]

hopefully they'll listen to player feedback cuz im now on the bandwagon that she's op

[native bear]

oh yeah add slayer on the m1's

[worn barn]

[zenith obsidian]

give her no cooldown and high mobility

[jovial field]

doesn't she already have pretty good mobility?

[woeful gorge]

yes

[native bear]

she does

[ruby dragon]

nah they should make her fly, and her shift gives her god mode for 5 seconds

[earnest prairie]

and like
dont get me wrong i genuinely like her kit and think she will be fun
but like what are these numbers maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn

[zenith obsidian]

100 minutes*

[jovial field]

the kit is well made, the only problem is numbers

[woeful gorge]

^

[grand compass]

the homing things should do 1000% base damage tbh

[solid siren]

i think they should make supercharger do 340,282,346,600,000,064,440,896,728,032,664,552,640% with a 340,282,346,600,000,064,440,896,728,032,664,552,640 proc coeficient

[woeful gorge]

true!

[earnest prairie]

kinda weak

[grand compass]

so true bestie

[ruby dragon]

Did you just recite fucking pi to me

[zenith obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/pi-day-314-digits-of-pi-march14-gif-16567321

[ruby dragon]

thank you, I am now omniscient

[gusty oar]

imagine clover with that 🤤

[solid siren]

it would crash the game

[gusty oar]

good ending

[signal cipher]

Being a huntress and railgunner main at the same time would be hella weird

[jovial field]

i mean, past a 100.0 proc coeffecient, there's no effect

[zenith obsidian]

200.0 would make it proc twice

[wind sun]

gesture of the drowned and fuel cell is op

[earnest prairie]

ya

[solid siren]

proc co still affects healing, behemoth aoe, DoTs duration and stuff like that

[signal cipher]

101.0 proc coefficient 1% chance for the effect to happen twice

[woeful gorge]

remember when gesture tonic was a balance concern

[signal cipher]

It still is

[woeful gorge]

before railgunner

[jovial field]

no

[signal cipher]

Not like it changed

[jovial field]

i just remember gesture royal capacitor

[earnest prairie]

does any survivor with permatonic even come close to base railgunner's dps tho 😼

[wind sun]

chomp

[signal cipher]

Probably captain with the cancel

[zenith obsidian]

railgunner with permatonic

[solid siren]

most of them are slightly better, like 500~700% dps better

[earnest prairie]

😄

[solid siren]

roughly 1x huntress

[signal cipher]

How many huntresses does it take to change railgunner's DPS

[zenith obsidian]

69

[solid siren]

like five

[cerulean zodiac]

i remember getting so many fuel cells on rex the heal numbers looked like a cape

[storm mica]

do you remember that old bug with gesture?

[zenith obsidian]

which one?

there are like a few

[storm mica]

where if you picked up a gesture before getting any equip - once you would pick up any equip it would be constantly used without cd

some equips like the backup could crash the game

[dapper flame]

I just opened the game and my Lunar coins are gone, 24 lunar coins I ran through to obliteration and killing enemies to get are reduced to atoms

[cerulean zodiac]

same thing happens if you just stack enough of them

[zenith obsidian]

drone spam was fun

[storm mica]

i once did it with foreign fruit, while having nkuhana - i was spamming a billion skulls at enemies

[zenith obsidian]

there is a cap for ally count iirc

[storm mica]

for that stage, i was immortal

[cerulean zodiac]

back then they triggered faster than osp invincibility would run out

making me immortal

[meager mortar]

Technically still possible with enough coins

Or some liberal game file editing

[zenith obsidian]

config moment

[dapper flame]

What happened to my coins, I can't cheat them in cause I'm on console and I had them before shutting the system down

[cerulean zodiac]

skill issue

but honestly i dunno

[zenith obsidian]

it costs coins to shutdown the game on console

[zealous quiver]

Game said no, no more drugs

[dapper flame]

Knowing how buggy console has been, a possibility

[dapper flame]

Never enough shaped glass

I picked up a sinfular lunar coin from an enemy and it was immediately spent on a pod, I'm running Loader for speed and efficiency with Command on Drizzle to farm coins

Shaped glass

[tribal spruce]

do we have some item tier list? some actual one

[visual shell]

I've found that on console, this game is really bad at saving progress

[cerulean zodiac]

why would you need it

[tribal spruce]

i want

[cerulean zodiac]

then make it

[visual shell]

We sorta do

[tribal spruce]

no i want one that already exist

[visual shell]

But tier lists aren't great for a game like this

[solid siren]

🤔

[cerulean zodiac]

bungus in c

wrong opinion detected

[tribal spruce]

i like items in c

i guess i suck

[dapper flame]

Movement speed, glasses, glass, and ap rounds with Loader, if you want to make them bleed, you need to move at a high speed

[cerulean zodiac]

and disposable missile launcher in c?

[solid siren]

yeah worst damage equip

[cerulean zodiac]

someone's on drugs

[solid siren]

can miss, only 80% dps

[visual shell]

Tiermaker in Tiermaker, ok buddy- nice opinion

[cerulean zodiac]

also fuckin snowflake in s

[visual shell]

Beads of really lowkey

Bad

[solid siren]

yaeh, 1200% dps per enemy in radius

[cerulean zodiac]

i would rather have the mask

[visual shell]

I mean, technically you could put all non blue items in S cause they all HELP you with no downside. But obviously that's not a very helpful list

[azure sorrel]

how fucking dare you put bungus in c

[solid siren]

i wouldnt put it high just because engi is good with it

[edgy birch]

i like deskplant, it's probably objectively weaker than many other healing items but i enjoy its vffx and it's effect in general

[azure sorrel]

everyone is good with it

[cerulean zodiac]

putting corpsebloom in s should also be punishable by death

[rotund pasture]

bloom is situational

[azure sorrel]

electric chair

[solid siren]

ehh its a free rejuv rack for first loop, you often dont hit the 10%/s cap
and also, 8x healing with 20%/s cap with rejuv rack

[cerulean zodiac]

more like bad

[visual shell]

But anyways, tier lists don't really work great for this game because context is so important

[solid siren]

go test in game

[cerulean zodiac]

nerfs you survivability to the ground whilst barely helping with anything

[rotund pasture]

deeploopers when

[cerulean zodiac]

i did pick it put once. on rex. stage one

[solid siren]

yeah, rex

its not that good on him, but free rejuv rack on everyone else first loop

[glad finch]

that ones true

[visual shell]

Ok, I will, I'll test the S tier key

[native bear]

another W for mithrixers

[azure sorrel]

shiv

i can combo better with shiv

[visual shell]

Dagger

[rotund pasture]

hooks

[azure sorrel]

desperado only because funny oneshot otherwise i'd use lights

[native bear]

light's out is a meme ability, desperado of course

[visual shell]

I think dagger is better because I'm usually up close to enemies with shotgun anyways for max damage

[jovial field]

if you can find a cleansing pool once you get decent healing, ig corpse bloom could be OK

[solid siren]

desperado, essence past stage 4

[cerulean zodiac]

and why not put both pearls in s. straight boost to stats with no downsides

and you get rid of lunars

[azure sorrel]

yeah

[solid siren]

id put them in S if pools were more common tbh

[edgy birch]

PLEASE

[azure sorrel]

i mean i dont have too much trouble finding pools lately

but yes still very rare

[cerulean zodiac]

still more common than boss items though

[azure sorrel]

true

[solid siren]

boss items are 15%, pools are 12% or less

[cerulean zodiac]

especially than the perforator

[azure sorrel]

i havent been finding any fucking boss items lately like 0

[visual shell]

I've actually been getting boss times on command runs pretty commonly

Lately at least

[solid siren]

i had a run once with only 2 boss items
at stage 61

[jovial field]

i wish desperado applied a debuff to enemies that lasted like 0.2 seconds, and killing them within that timeframe would grant you a stack

[cerulean zodiac]

yeah but on command you can get whatever boss item you want

[azure sorrel]

i do find alot of polls though, i also got triple irridescence pearl once

[cerulean zodiac]

normally you get the titanic knurl

[visual shell]

it's
it's always the lighting one

[jovial field]

for what reason?

[zenith obsidian]

one of the best boss items

[cerulean zodiac]

for scrap? definitely

40hp. wowzers

[azure sorrel]

wait isnt charged perforator better than ATG? what about overcharged shot with railgunner w charged perforator

[frosty sparrow]

Knurl is a solid A tier item

[jovial field]

just to fix the times when you insta kill with bands etc. and don't get a stack(unless they've changed that now)

[visual shell]

I've been having a lot of fun on Artificer recently

[azure sorrel]

charged is like 500% more

[cerulean zodiac]

the equivalent of 2 snails and half of a blood vial

[earnest prairie]

knurl is two bison steaks and a cautious slug lol

[solid siren]

[visual shell]

Yes, I think so

[solid siren]

half a slug

[earnest prairie]

even better

[visual shell]

Charged perforator has 10% chance to do 500%

[azure sorrel]

quick, someone do the math 13500% and 500%

[zenith obsidian]

more than 5

[azure sorrel]

[cerulean zodiac]

psg in A too? cmon dude....

[crude sky]

bubble shield or thermal for enginner?

[azure sorrel]

thermal

[earnest prairie]

i mean
perforator strikes the same target
and that target probably will be dead from the shot itself
and atg will then find a different target
but yeah in essence charged perf is stronger atg

[cerulean zodiac]

thermal if you want to play the game

[rotund pasture]

psg is pretty good

[azure sorrel]

fuck true i forgot

[visual shell]

Perforator is also instant if that matters

[crude sky]

thermal is so odd for me tbh rockets has chance to miss

[cerulean zodiac]

except that it's worse than healing in every conceivable way

[azure sorrel]

67k damage off a charged perf proc off overcharged

i think

[rotund pasture]

and what its free health

[cerulean zodiac]

bad free health

[visual shell]

If you look at it that way, every item except lunar is s tier

[cerulean zodiac]

unless you go all in with transcendece

[solid siren]

are you one of the people who relies on osp so much they scrap psg

[earnest prairie]

shields are good

• psg is percentage hp unlike bison steak/knurl which is flat health

[azure sorrel]

imagine

[visual shell]

BTW, is it still good to stack things like crit glasses and tri tips on Artificer? She seems like much more of a burst damage character than a proccer, so I was wondering

[cerulean zodiac]

it's the first white item I go for

[azure sorrel]

paladin

[visual shell]

Warlock

Got it

[solid siren]

flamethrower has crazy procs

[earnest prairie]

VERY good
crit glasses are good on everyone
flamethrower benefits MASSIVELY from bleeds

[azure sorrel]

huntress with base kit

[cerulean zodiac]

it's never bad to stack these things to full

[visual shell]

I
Sometimes I use ion surge

All the time

[solid siren]

btw flamethrower is 4295%

[visual shell]

I should probably stop using it

[cerulean zodiac]

dpn't stop

only mobility on the character

[edgy birch]

tell me if im wrong but everytime i play arti with flamethrower it feels like every hit is crit if one of them is crit

[jovial field]

if ion surge was horizontal also

[visual shell]

I mainly stack backup mags, use ion surge and just try to stay away from the boss

[rotund pasture]

except psg actually scales with your hp and bison steak is bison steak

[solid siren]

some abilities work like that

[jovial field]

i'd consider it

[earnest prairie]

and just a measly 1.0 proc coeff 😔

[frosty sparrow]

What da fuck, the odds

[azure sorrel]

insane

[zenith obsidian]

STOMP

[cerulean zodiac]

0.03% i don't remember

[jovial field]

1%^2?

[visual shell]

This has been happening a lot for me

[frosty sparrow]

got one from big chest, and a 2nd from normal chest

[jovial field]

assuming one chest after another

[edgy birch]

really funny that supercharge is roughly 3 times flamethrower in dmaage and proc lmao

[visual shell]

Recently I've been getting like, 4 red items on loop one and then still dying cause I'm bad

Just gotta get more dios 😔

[meager mortar]

Doesn’t flamethrower proc every tick tho?

[azure sorrel]

just gotta get more skill

[cerulean zodiac]

just don't get hit lol

[zenith obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[solid siren]

also gotta consider that its the exact same item

[visual shell]

Merc mains

[jovial field]

oh, yeah

[cerulean zodiac]

what mains

[jovial field]

that's really unlikely

[solid siren]

1%^2*1/20 i think

[visual shell]

Merchant

[meager mortar]

Question if scythes are borderline useless for railgunner without some nice proc chains how do you heal mid game?

[zenith obsidian]

seed

[visual shell]

Would Leech Seed work?

Idk how the healing on it works

[solid siren]

medkit

[meager mortar]

But that would heal only 1

[visual shell]

Bungus

[woeful gorge]

slug, medkit, wungus

[zenith obsidian]

BUNGUS

[azure sorrel]

how are scythes borderline useless? basically every headshot heals you

[solid siren]

we dont know if scythe works
if it works it'll be broken on special

[tribal spruce]

flamethrower is what?

[cerulean zodiac]

but those headshot will be rare

[solid siren]

24(+12) per stack healing per hit

[cerulean zodiac]

i mean, slow'

[meager mortar]

Slug possibly, others get out scaled too fast imo

[cerulean zodiac]

wungus! wungus!

[edgy birch]

i think it should work on weakpoints cause guaranteed procs

[azure sorrel]

stack 600 bunguses

[edgy birch]

if not then it's an oversight i think, impossible to proc otherwise (since 0% crit chance)

[meager mortar]

That’s da wae

[zenith obsidian]

1500*

[visual shell]

The other new survivor should be bandit

But with two revolvers

I have no bias

[jovial field]

there are 22 reds apparently, so (1/100*1/22)^2

[visual shell]

Wait that's commando

[jovial field]

aka (1/2200)^2

[azure sorrel]

gonna do the funny metamorphosis sacrifice and swarm run

[solid siren]

yeah but only 20 obtainable from chests

[visual shell]

Funny numbers

[solid siren]

scrap and microbots dont count

[jovial field]

oh, really?

[visual shell]

Look at em

[jovial field]

ah, captain and scrap

so (1/2000)^2 which is 1/4,000,000

[visual shell]

I await the day where Blight acrid is good

[jovial field]

also rex's alts

[visual shell]

No I don't

[solid siren]

he's better first loop except mithrix

[visual shell]

I lied

[cerulean zodiac]

the alt push is kinda good....

[jovial field]

i said that wrong

his non plant stuff

[visual shell]

Rex robot skills

[cerulean zodiac]

yeah those are awful

who thought that putting arrow rain on another character was a good idea...

[winged ferry]

it scales better with time

[rotund pasture]

ironically its better than arrow rain because it can be abused with backups, doesnt teleport you up with brainstalks, and has much more procs

[winged ferry]

biggest downside is the no health drain

[glad finch]

oh you know what time it is

[rotund pasture]

time to ban you for taking glass

[glad finch]

cope its free damage

[zenith obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-bungus-gif-23516278

[rotund pasture]

its free damage
and then he gets randomly shot by a blazing bell

[glad finch]

do ya a couple hundred better

[zenith obsidian]

[glad finch]

just don't get hit

[zenith obsidian]

when i get home imma try to get over 1000 bungus

[frosty sparrow]

Bruh, bro, what is this run

[winged ferry]

ror2 I think

[cerulean zodiac]

the fact that wungus won't work on mobile turrets is like, horrible

[winged ferry]

unsalvageable

[zenith obsidian]

reason i dont use that shit

[rotund pasture]

unless they change turrets

[cerulean zodiac]

according to suncles they won't

[rotund pasture]

aw we died on our railgunner run

[zenith obsidian]

s*iper

[woeful gorge]

should've used supercharge smh

[winged ferry]

skill issue

[gusty oar]

true could've procced that meathook

[outer jackal]

Wungus busted lol

[rotund pasture]

gotta say the proc shot is very funny

[zenith obsidian]

what'd it do???

[rotund pasture]

reingunner has a primary which makes your shots apply a debuff

[zenith obsidian]

nice

[glad finch]

i love my fungus

[zenith obsidian]

get more

[glad finch]

no i like my crit and theres no scrapper

[rotund pasture]

that procs items

[glad finch]

not risking the bleed either

i already gave up a crit and a attack speed, no more

[zenith obsidian]

i said get more bungus

[visual shell]

https://tenor.com/view/spunch-bop-scrunkly-gif-24361689

[outer jackal]

Why have crit when you can have BUNGUS

[zenith obsidian]

its a threat

[solid siren]

why not scrap the bison steak

[glad finch]

i don't care

[solid siren]

and gaso

[glad finch]

there isn't a scrapper

[zenith obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[cerulean zodiac]

imagine getting a bungus printer and NOT spending all of your whites'

[glad finch]

its called strategy

[outer jackal]

Almost as bad as a firework printer

[cerulean zodiac]

more like cringetegy

[zenith obsidian]

why use strategy when you have bungus

[outer jackal]

More like throwing

[cerulean zodiac]

imagine throwing away godhood for a chance at x2 damage

[glad finch]

ah yes double damage

throwing

[outer jackal]

Not getting bungus

Throwing

[zenith obsidian]

no bungus as engi = insta loose

[glad finch]

ok i'll print to 10

if i die its your fault by default

[cerulean zodiac]

real and straight

[glad finch]

true

[zenith obsidian]

thats the spirit

[outer jackal]

I don't actually care if its my fault

[glad finch]

this is my favourite image from any of my runs

[cerulean zodiac]

chad

[zenith obsidian]

glorious

[solid siren]

brb gonna play an engi run and die of boredom

[outer jackal]

Throwback to my first multiplayer game where I kept instinctively picking up every item I saw and stole 2 bungus from engi

[cerulean zodiac]

bueaty of the class

[glad finch]

followed by this image (from the same run)

[cerulean zodiac]

game plays by itself

[outer jackal]

How does one get so many drones

[rotund pasture]

i think you should play reingunner with me and doom

[cerulean zodiac]

radar

[outer jackal]

And keep them alive

[zenith obsidian]

the ally cap???

[cerulean zodiac]

what cap

[glad finch]

engineers belt is a broken modded item + its what 477 bungus does + it was a 55 stage run

[cerulean zodiac]

don't be ridiculous

[outer jackal]

Are there mods that remove the ally cap?

[shy wadi]

So you have chosen death

[zenith obsidian]

is ther not a cap on how many you can have????

[rotund pasture]

there is

[long ravine]

There is an ally cap yes

[outer jackal]

Ah that's epic

[cerulean zodiac]

appareantly it's very forgiving

[glad finch]

it literally covered every map to its border

[cerulean zodiac]

i remember getting like 30 as captain. didn't see a projectile until mithrix

[outer jackal]

Want to play engineer without being engineer?
Want squid polyp to actually do something?
Download drones inherit items mod today 😀

[cerulean zodiac]

madness

do drones sprint?

[outer jackal]

Shit

[long ravine]

Sounds balanced

[outer jackal]

Soda is useless!!!

[zenith obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-morphin-gun-shoot-weapon-gif-13537279

[lofty charm]

Can the drones use

[cerulean zodiac]

mfw i accidentally pick up wungus as an engineer

[long ravine]

Of course

[outer jackal]

Its actually probably not as busted as you think
But also I'm completely lying
I also downloaded turrets go to teleporter mod

[lofty charm]

Aight 2 op 4 me

[outer jackal]

Turrets go brrr
Boss goes die

[outer jackal]

Drones can't sprint bro!

[cerulean zodiac]

fake

[fervent barn]

currently trying to do the 20 hemorrage stacks on bandit thing in drizzle with command, do I just get 19 spare mags and then AFK in a map until difficulty goes high enough to let a teleporter boss survive until 20 stacks?

[zenith obsidian]

loader buff????

[visual shell]

Based

[solid siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/868784919407644743.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[long ravine]

NOOOOO

[shy wadi]

“Sadist” ?

[cerulean zodiac]

now nerf mercenary

[zenith obsidian]

you dont need to get that far tbh

[outer jackal]

Difficulty scaling is much faster if u just rush stages.
One of the TP bosses should be able to tank the hits anyway.

Also you only need like 9 backup mags and lights out

[zenith obsidian]

remember to get a lot of attack speed

[glad finch]

YOU'RE SO FUNNY

[cerulean zodiac]

imagine dying

skill issue

[outer jackal]

Skissuessue

[shy wadi]

Pretty sure you can use a ton of backup mags but you have to kill the boss so I recommend packing a couple of more and then gauging the bar to find out it’s effectiveness as an attack on that boss or enemy

[zenith obsidian]

skill issue

[sinful plover]

Honestly they've probably already done stuff worse than this

[outer jackal]

Yea. Like make PSG

[cerulean zodiac]

what if backup mags on railgunner give her more shots before she has to reload?

[zenith obsidian]

op but cool

[outer jackal]

Part-shield runs are cringe.
Either transcendence or nothing baybee

[long ravine]

PSG haters when 1 PSG doesn’t remove OSP (Woolie said it did)

[sinful plover]

Psg good you're probably just skill issued
I'm talking about shit like giving railgunner a fucking 3.0 proc co on her special

[zenith obsidian]

PSG??

[long ravine]

[sinful plover]

The classic

[outer jackal]

Woolie has been wrong very muches

[worn barn]

what happened?

[zenith obsidian]

he was wrong

[worn barn]

ye but with what

[zenith obsidian]

idk

[long ravine]

Read context

[outer jackal]

Loop 0: 🙂
Loop 1+: 🤢

[worn barn]

i got no idea what psg and osp is lol

[long ravine]

How

PSG is just an 8% hp boost

Why would that ever be bad

[worn barn]

oh personal shield gen i see

[cerulean zodiac]

cause it's not affected by heal items

just that honestly

[outer jackal]

One shot protection is a mechanic where if you have >90% health, any fatal attack will take you to 1hp
Personal shield generator (PSG) gives you extra shield which can ruin your one shot protection

[long ravine]

And?

[crystal beacon]

any tips for playing bandit?

[worn barn]

i see thanks

[long ravine]

Ok that’s not how OSP works

[cerulean zodiac]

heal items are poggers

[outer jackal]

Sorry I'm reciting from memory a thing i heard literally ages ago

[crystal beacon]

didnt they remove OSP?

[long ravine]

Also you’re not gonna be healing that fastly up to your OSP before stage 15+

[long ravine]

No

[crystal beacon]

oh I thought it was gone after broken glass stacking cheese

[long ravine]

Oh they only removed it if you get glass

[cerulean zodiac]

they did tho. and they removed loader in the same update too

better this way honestly

[crystal beacon]

do you still have it after you get the bug item which converts your hp to shield?

[long ravine]

Yes

[glad finch]

i do in fact find huntress kind of fun

[outer jackal]

If you get healing items instead of health items, OSP can be very easy to get.
Makes it riskier but also means OSP returns faster

[long ravine]

Ok but like also

OSP is pretty much useless until stages 15+

[outer jackal]

Nope

[long ravine]

Just about the only thing that will proc it until then is Mithrix

[safe wren]

Does shaped glass work with Acrid poison ?

[crystal beacon]

isnt OSP super good, you literally avoid dying

[long ravine]

OSP is super useless

[glad finch]

no

[crystal beacon]

who plays until stage 15 also..

[long ravine]

You need the enemy to do more than 90% of your HP in 1 hit

[outer jackal]

Just because you're bad, doesn't mean its useless

[glad finch]

outside of eclipse i go up to stage 30 sooo

[long ravine]

Mmhm ok explain how it’s good

[outer jackal]

Mans never experienced difficulty scaling in his life

[crystal beacon]

that happens with elder mobs, lazers, bosses etc

[long ravine]

I play mostly eclipse so tell me more

[glad finch]

also gestures and gorags is unvelievably based

[outer jackal]

I feel like we have gone through this.
Anything thay might 1 shot you, straight up doesn't.
This means you can go for a full heal build and get OSP back every few seconds meaning you can continually get hit, or you can go for full health build and hope to tank an extra hit or 2 before going into hiding

And after enough difficulty scaling, almost anything will 1 shot you anyway, so you may as well sacrifice health (infusions/meat) so its even easier to reach full health

[low hemlock]

Gd1

[long ravine]

By having more HP wouldn’t you have more time to heal in the first place and not need OSP?

[outer jackal]

Not if you spend so much time healing, only to lose it all to 1 attack anyway

[glad finch]

question: how many gestures for perma uptime gorags

[long ravine]

Well you shouldn’t be tanking malachite hits to be fair

[outer jackal]

You have more time to heal, and you don't want that
You want to spend as much time as possible at full health

[outer jackal]

Which is why I don't:)

[long ravine]

The only time you should be worried about OSP is when Mithrix is doing big spinny

[outer jackal]

Or you know, any time you might otherwise die

[frosty sparrow]

Mmmm, mithrix's pizza cutter

[long ravine]

It’s pretty much the only thing that will consistently proc OSP

[solid siren]

and thats easy to dodge anyway so

[long ravine]

Yep

[crystal beacon]

you guys sound very elitist

you might aswell skip every defensive item

because just get good right?

[outer jackal]

It would be more consistent if you were at full health more :)

[long ravine]

I’m saying to get every defensive item

[frosty sparrow]

I feel proud of this run even though it was headstomp carry for.... all of it.

[crystal beacon]

just dont get hit 4head

[outer jackal]

I hope that small bit of shield is worth the 9 seconds of no OSP guaranteed :)

[long ravine]

Oh no, 9 seconds of OSP that I don’t even have enough healing to return to anyways, how tragic

[solid siren]

damn, cant scrap any of these

[outer jackal]

If you aren't gonna use OSP, don't complain about it being bad -_-

[frosty sparrow]

bungus time

[outer jackal]

In the name of bungus

[long ravine]

I don’t use it because it’s bad what

[last girder]

isn't 1 psg only like 9% of ur hp?

[long ravine]

8%

[solid siren]

its decent

[frosty sparrow]

8%, so you can get 3, I think

[solid siren]

buckler is +30%

[outer jackal]

You can get 1.

[glad finch]

PRINT THEM NOW DO YHEAR

[last girder]

you can get 1 and keep your osp what's the issue

[frosty sparrow]

Oh wait yeah, osp is 10%

[outer jackal]

Buckler is armour, not shield

[solid siren]

armor is effhp

basically

100 armor is 2x eff health, so 50% taken (50% reduced)

100/100 is 1 of course, and +1 gets us to the 2x
1/2 is 0.5, matches damage taken
1-0.5 gives 0.5, the amount reduced

[outer jackal]

The item is still bad <-<
That 8% hp is functionally useless in an OSP strat

[last girder]

sure but how often are you relying on osp to carry ur run

[long ravine]

But it helps you vs non one shots

[outer jackal]

More than im relying on 8% health

[last girder]

because any run consists of exactly one psg and no more

[long ravine]

I think the reason you rely on OSP so much is that you just scrap all of the health boosting items

[outer jackal]

Again, if you like getting lots of extra health, sure, do that. But don't complain about OSP being bad just because you can't health 300,000,000 health in 0.5 seconds

[slow acorn]

OSP IS A MYTH, A LIE CONSTRUCTED BY HOPOO

GET ALL THE HEALTH ITEMS

[last girder]

ror2 is a myth

[long ravine]

Honestly I do wish they removed OSP

[outer jackal]

I mean, meat stinks
May as well have those crit glasses for double damage instead +80% shield

[gentle trail]

artifact of evolution lost seer's lenses : )

[last girder]

counter argument,

[frosty sparrow]

Don't think that artifact can roll void items

[gentle trail]

:(

[frosty sparrow]

since it can't roll lunar items

[long ravine]

Yes meat sucks but the other items don’t

[frosty sparrow]

It would be funny if it could roll lunar/void items though

[solid siren]

meat isnt even that bad with transcendence

[outer jackal]

At the end of the day OSP starts give more scrap and makes OSP easier to get as well as being basically infinitely better at the end of long runs

[frosty sparrow]

OH MY GOD, raincoat on enemies would be so hurtful

[crystal beacon]

meat works with trans?

[low hemlock]

Beads of fealty is the best lunar
You can't prove me wrong 😼

[long ravine]

Yes

[solid siren]

trans op

[last girder]

[depths] dodgethatattack after watching one wooliegaming item rank video

[long ravine]

TRans busted

[outer jackal]

Exactly.
I'd say either transcend or full heal are the best strats

[low hemlock]

The blue beeble is good

[last girder]

funny bug is funny

[crystal beacon]

yeah trans is very good for eclipse i think, very hard to lose with some dps items

[frosty sparrow]

blue beeble on eclipse is just neccesary

[outer jackal]

Theres no point going hybrid. Its just the worst of both worlds

[last girder]

stealth kit beeble

[long ravine]

Nah it’s just really good

[low hemlock]

Imagine an artifact that made the difficulty scaling make it so every time difficulty increases you go up an eclipse level

[long ravine]

That sounds cool

[frosty sparrow]

mmm, eclipse

[last girder]

that'd be really cool

[long ravine]

Might make obliteration actually interesting

[ember matrix]

risk of rain 2 players try to not say that psg is dogshit (its quite cool on transendence heretic )

[last girder]

trans heretic my beloved

[outer jackal]

Yea exactly.
On transcendence.

[last girder]

man I haven't done a heretic run in a long while I forgot abt her

[ember matrix]

it can be used without aswell if you got enough stacks

[long ravine]

If you dislike PSG because it removes OSP you eat glue

[outer jackal]

Hybrid health+shield is utter trash and no words will convince me otherwise

[crystal beacon]

did they add anything new above eclipse 8?

[frosty sparrow]

Nope

[ember matrix]

i cant play the game without taking atleast 1 heretic item im addicted to heretic

[outer jackal]

If you wanna be bad, go ahead. But let's not deny facts

[last girder]

what r u smoking n who's tour dealer I want some of that shit

[crystal beacon]

still no achievement for eclipse too it seems TT

[sacred osprey]

strange cus its busted

literally 5 psg already gonna boost your total hp up to 40%

[outer jackal]

Either go full shield, because it takes the same time to regen no matter how much, or go full heal for OSP and scrap

[last girder]

I can do whatever I want

[ember matrix]

who cares about hp if you cant regen it, it only good if heretic because funny 60K shield, 120K in total hp (with barrier

[frosty sparrow]

POV: You stacked tri-tips and the void gave all the enemies raincoat

[low hemlock]

Imagine
The eclipse effects stack

[outer jackal]

Cool, now transcend so that it actually matters

[sacred osprey]

just take what game gives you 90% of the time

[crystal beacon]

are there eclipse levels for heretic too?

[outer jackal]

If its a PSG, I'd prefer scrap

[last girder]

thus guys over here inventing new math 40 = 0

[ember matrix]

90% of the time when i play, i would convert all my whites to psg, as i obviously will go heretic if so

[low hemlock]

OHHH NOOO MYY OSP!!!!!

[solid siren]

no

[last girder]

so at eclipse 2 it'd be 25% starting health? that sounds like hell

[outer jackal]

Functional health = 1 hit-->1 hit
Let's see. Functional health*1
Useless

Osp -1

[low hemlock]

Yeah, good challenge artifact

[long ravine]

The fuck does this even mean lmfao

[last girder]

0.0078 tp radius got me like

[rocky rune]

Are visions of heresy good on default acrid?

[outer jackal]

Waiting for someone to say "attacks don't do that much damage" where I can then point them to my message where I said early game PSG is fine

[long ravine]

They’re fine

[low hemlock]

Standing here
I realize

[glad finch]

THANK YOU OBS

[low hemlock]

Hello squeesh

[last girder]

definition of a strawman argument

[sacred osprey]

i mostly loop when most enemies are T2 elites, so extra hp saves me a lot

[outer jackal]

didnt change your recording settings to mp4

[sacred osprey]

red items are banned btw for me

[last girder]

why

[frosty sparrow]

bruh, funny desk plant

[sacred osprey]

game is more fun without them

[low hemlock]

We can change that

[solid siren]

tiger have you seen railgunner balance

[low hemlock]

😼

[outer jackal]

Not really when people literally keep saying
Its actually a strawman counter

[last girder]

game discussion 1 when they're told to not discuss the game 1

[sacred osprey]

yes

i dont wanna make conslusions until i play him myself

[last girder]

her

[sacred osprey]

k her

[low hemlock]

Can someone send the it's uncanny how hard it is to hit my fucking shots.gif

[winged ferry]

hypothetically yes

[sacred osprey]

3X proc coef seems weird, but first need to check gameplay

[rocky rune]

Ffs, first red item and its the happiest mask

[low hemlock]

Elden ring

[last girder]

no desk plant, restart run

[low hemlock]

Happiest mask is so bad I hate so much
Anyways hello deimos

[sacred osprey]

now spam lunar bazar and turn newt into a ghost

[outer jackal]

100%
But it is funni

[rocky rune]

?

[slow acorn]

Happiest mask best item cause I get more friends :)

[rocky rune]

Hi,im gonna scrap this bitch

[sacred osprey]

him

[low hemlock]

But they go away after a while
Just like real friends 😔

[last girder]

I really wish queen gland was better the little guards are so funnt

[outer jackal]

Shaped glass stackers: exist

[low hemlock]

Good

[rocky rune]

I know who newt is,but can you really turn him into a ghost

[sacred osprey]

yes

[long ravine]

Yes you can

[last girder]

beetle guard is true friend he sticks around post mortem

[sacred osprey]

i did that many times in my very old runs

[outer jackal]

You can turn anything into a ghost im pretty sure

I'm guessing it's a filter

[last girder]

mithrix

[slow acorn]

I appreciate the moments we cherished together though, makes the time after more bearable

[sacred osprey]

you can

[outer jackal]

I think I got mithrix before

[last girder]

reaver ghosts?

[sacred osprey]

you can even turn your own copy into a ghost

[last girder]

Holy shit

[sacred osprey]

pain cus can kill you

[long ravine]

Engi Ghost turrets build

[outer jackal]

Artifact of vengeance s tier

[last girder]

ghost dispenser goin up

[slow acorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559901453834256404/939143133143371786/Screenshot_20220202-164642_Discord.jpg?width=346&height=458

[outer jackal]

Crisps innit

[low hemlock]

I hate chips

[frosty sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559901453834256404/939143133143371786/Screenshot_20220202-164642_Discord.jpg?width=346&height=458

[sacred osprey]

is most annoying one, he requires 2 masks to make big explosion

[frosty sparrow]

(I am currently eating chips)

[sacred osprey]

with 1 mask he dies before making it

[last girder]

ghost succ

[winged ferry]

why is merc ethreaaaaaaaaal so haaaaaaaaaaaard

[last girder]

luck based

[winged ferry]

no it's not

[last girder]

I had to follow a reddit guide to get mine

[outer jackal]

Wait for artifact of glass.
Any other isnt even worth going for imo

[low hemlock]

Just wait til the trial is easy

[long ravine]

It is

[last girder]

more like luck cringe

[long ravine]

Depends on how good the trial is

[winged ferry]

it's supossedely easy today

[last girder]

just grind at it

[winged ferry]

enemy spawns are tight

[long ravine]

What are the artifacts

[low hemlock]

Oh no
He said slicing winds isn't worth it 🗿

[lethal cloak]

slicing winds is defenitly worth it

[low hemlock]

Wait I misread

[long ravine]

Slicing winds is super good lol

[low hemlock]

The

[frosty sparrow]

funny slicey

[long ravine]

Nice

[winged ferry]

can't remember i only care about glass

[outer jackal]

🗿

[low hemlock]

He said glass is the best for ethereal

[winged ferry]

it is

[long ravine]

Yeah I don’t disagree

[low hemlock]

Which is objectively true

[last girder]

slicing winds is good but it doesn't let you button mash

at least not as much

[low hemlock]

Sorry im a dumbass 🗿

[vestal acorn]

Alguém para jogar ai?

[long ravine]

It lets you mash more because of expose procs

[outer jackal]

Is gud

[lethal cloak]

rex rext shrek

[last girder]

rex sex

[long ravine]

No

[rocky rune]

Btw,im playing On multitudes on 2 player difficulty and i just got double will o wisp from boss

[last girder]

sorry

[low hemlock]

Someone should make make ror2 cover of all star

[last girder]

why

[rocky rune]

Chaos begins

[last girder]

why would you say such a thing

[rocky rune]

What?

[red ingot]

nuke time

[winged ferry]

i only care about 100% the game at the moment which is the last achievement left

[rocky rune]

That im playing On multitudes?

[outer jackal]

Will o wisp one of my favourite greens

ATG
Ukelele
Will o wisp

[last girder]

squib

[red ingot]

getting will of the wisp soup at newt on a loop run

[lethal cloak]

gasoline
will o wisp
sentient meat hook

[outer jackal]

Squid polyp with bungus and items actually kinda busted

[lethal cloak]

so engineer

[last girder]

that one video where the guy killed rix using only squids bungus and equipment beacons

[rocky rune]

Just spawned in the rally point and the first thing i see infront of me is a newt portal XD

[outer jackal]

And mods

[lethal cloak]

[last girder]

engineer but every survivor is engineer

engineer cosplay convention

[rocky rune]

Turned the difficulty to 4 players,this will be fun

[outer jackal]

Ror2 but every ability activates every characters ability at the same time

[winged ferry]

atomic

[outer jackal]

Pressing shift would sure be an experience

[low hemlock]

This is what captain should have been

[winged ferry]

nah

[outer jackal]

What

[last girder]

do heresy abilities count toward this

[outer jackal]

Sure

Its hypothetical anyway

[winged ferry]

Capitain is one of the best made characters in ror except for not having an alternative secondary

[outer jackal]

Captain m2 deserved better

[last girder]

captain shouldn't have an alternate m2, at least nothing good

maybe buff the stun time but like

[outer jackal]

Stun sucks why does that exist

[low hemlock]

Captain needs an alt m2 and m1

[last girder]

you'd just steamroller through the early game even more

[winged ferry]

m1? he has the best m1 in the game

[low hemlock]

Yeah, give me a worse one

[last girder]

second tazer for m1

[winged ferry]

he has a shotgun instead of his arm

[low hemlock]

Just m1ing isn't fun

[last girder]

you can just buy a visions it's easy

[winged ferry]

lmao

[low hemlock]

Make it shoot a single bullet that varies in power and size the longer you charge

[outer jackal]

Imaginen picking captain and not wanting to instant kill everything in your face

[last girder]

I want double tazer captain

[winged ferry]

his arm is a shotgun

[outer jackal]

Captain without microbots wouldn't be nearly as good

[low hemlock]

Shotguns can shoot a single bullet I hope you know

[winged ferry]

not his shotgun arm

[last girder]

yeah even with a shittier my he'd still be powerful as fuck

[low hemlock]

Just load his arm up with some slugs I'm sure he has to reload sometime

[last girder]

microbots ain't no game ‼️ ‼️

[winged ferry]

does using the shrine of order actually make stacked microbots better?

[outer jackal]

Why is microbots not in the normal red pool v.v

[last girder]

stacking microbots just deletes more projectiles at once

[outer jackal]

Pretty sure you get more of them

[winged ferry]

nice

[last girder]

+1 proj per stack

[low hemlock]

Captain needs them because no mobility

[woven shale]

Also lore

[outer jackal]

Yeah but I want them in the normal items too v.v

[last girder]

mods

[low hemlock]

Other characters simply don't need them

Because they can actually dodge at some capacity

[outer jackal]

Mhm

[last girder]

imagine huntress or loader with default microbots Holy shit dude? free win

[outer jackal]

Engineer just stands and stares

[last girder]

ever played w metamorphosis on?

[low hemlock]

"You got bungus on yo phone?"

[outer jackal]

Microbots on turrets tho 0_0

[woven shale]

Gauss Turrets have no mobility why no microbots 😠

[last girder]

walking turrets microbots

[last girder]

bugus

[outer jackal]

I'm gonna use the starting items mod to give myself 500 microbots and see what happens

Ultimate engineer run

[last girder]

there has to be a mod that just adds microbots to the loot pool

[woven shale]

Umm, you won’t get hit apart from hitscan and melee?

[outer jackal]

There is:)

[last girder]

link?

[outer jackal]

But projectiles thi

[teal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-18014317

[last girder]

nanobots, son

[astral lily]

that's still such a weird sentence lol

[last girder]

wait captains shotgun is hitscan right?

[low hemlock]

Yes

[outer jackal]

I thought they were projectiles.

[woven shale]

Nope

Just looks that way

[outer jackal]

Oh wow

[last girder]

weird

[woven shale]

Same with bandit and commando

[last girder]

despacito is hitscan??

[outer jackal]

Impressive

[woven shale]

Ye

[last girder]

wtffff

my life is a lie

[woven shale]

https://tenor.com/view/cliphy-relationships-trust-about-life-gif-13203070

[winged ferry]

Whoops

https://tenor.com/view/daredevil-daredevil-dog-tough-dog-red-mask-dog-gif-23418245

Meant to send this

[last girder]

https://tenor.com/view/unexpected-unexpected-gup-post-this-gup-gup-risk-of-rain2-gif-24352777

[serene bridge]

[fluid sonnet]

NANOMACHINES, SON

[serene bridge]

[low hemlock]

[simple sun]

They didn't make Grandparents weakspot his crotch

smh Railgunner in shambles

[serene bridge]

[fluid sonnet]

god bless america 🇵🇱

[serene bridge]

God bless China 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[fluid sonnet]

thats the canadian flag stupid

[serene bridge]

It’s actually the Poland flag

[low hemlock]

God bless no one
Humans don't deserve it

[serene bridge]

I tricked u.

[modern flame]

White Ferrari

[solid siren]

poland cringe

[modern flame]

The markings on your surface

[last girder]

can goobo Jr make a mask ghost

[serene bridge]

>

[fluid sonnet]

god bless america 🇵🇱

[serene bridge]

[winged ferry]

[serene bridge]

Now that I got sniper for ror2. I want Chemist next

[winged ferry]

you're cringe

[low hemlock]

I hope chemist fits into the void drop pod we saw

[last girder]

void hermit crab next survivor

[serene bridge]

Chemist is going to be the most complex survivor if they add it

[winged ferry]

or you know throwing random concotions

[last girder]

what is chemist I haven't played ror1

[winged ferry]

without much thinking

[native bear]

the
skeleton

[serene bridge]

There is none

[serene bridge]

You have to combine.

Unless u don’t care about the outcome then spam xd

[last girder]

that sounds like it could work

[simple sun]

Chemist would probably be original idea for Artificer somehow

[serene bridge]

Q - defense
W - aggressive
E - utility
Special - empowered

U can do a combination of so many thing up to 3mixtures

QQW
QWE
QQR
RRW
etc.

QQE could be a heal.
QQQ could be a big shield
But obviously it’s too much work to develop it xd

[simple sun]

I'd guess you'd have a combo of 2 elements with like a choice of 3 or smth to start with

[last girder]

they'd have to make 24 different outcomes

[low hemlock]

Chemist gameplay vs chemist lore

[simple sun]

but also not forcing you to mix ever

[serene bridge]

Yeah exactly

[low hemlock]

Elden ring

[simple sun]

You should be encouraged to mix to adapt to a situation not just fuck you deal with it

[low hemlock]

Attack speed chemist

[serene bridge]

WWW, massive explosion potion.
WWE, an explosion that deals damage but you can jump on it

[hybrid bloom]

Wait… by w do you mean mouse click?

[serene bridge]

It’s so interesting

[last girder]

wwe

[serene bridge]

Any control to ur liking ig

[hybrid bloom]

Because I mean half the buttons you said aren’t survivor ability buttons

[last girder]

maybe it gives you some sort of armor while mixing similar to mult'@ drive by

[serene bridge]

U get the point.

M1,M2, utility, special

[simple sun]

My guess would be Utility to open a menu and then m1/m2/utility button/special button to choose 2 ingredients

[serene bridge]

Maybe have custom controls for each survivor

[simple sun]

and that's your weapon until you mix again

[serene bridge]

I literally have Mouse5 for loader and merc etc

[low hemlock]

Too complex for ror2 base game

[serene bridge]

No crap xd

[simple sun]

You could make it less complex

[last girder]

no I can see this working

[serene bridge]

Yeah for sure

[simple sun]

you could also make it not mixxing at all and just Manipulator

[low hemlock]

It's a really cool concept

[serene bridge]

But I just want to have/ create the MOST complex survivor

[remote depot]

could mix by moving mouse in different directions in the menu?

[simple sun]

fuck that

[serene bridge]

Chemist lore chemist lore

Studying the items yesyes

[shy wadi]

Bungus study unit

[low hemlock]

Artificer has the potential to be complex
But isn't

[true pond]

Got almost a foot of snow here

[forest widget]

we got over a foot i think

[serene bridge]

No idea why they havnt added more for her

[forest widget]

which means i get to sleep in 😼

[serene bridge]

Kinda sadge.

[low hemlock]

She needs more alts

[last girder]

maybe if its only 3 ingredients so it'd only be 12 permutations

[woven shale]

Because they need to make new things

[shy wadi]

I don’t get snow where I live; you guys are lucky and unlucky to have snow days

[forest widget]

an alt utility could be cool

[simple sun]

Commando needs a whole alternative skill set for his "Grenade" element

[woven shale]

Cool tweaks is great but it only does so much

[simple sun]

I won't be satisfyied until all his attacks are explosive

[last girder]

demoman

[true pond]

Yea lucky until you get this much cold

[hybrid bloom]

Except for the mithrix cheese she feels like just blatantly the worst survivor

[forest widget]

suppressive nader

[last girder]

is that f or c

[serene bridge]

There’s so many concepts u can add for her.

[low hemlock]

Ok goodbye for now gd1

[shy wadi]

That’s what I mean by unlucky. I have had to shovel snow before and it’s not fun

[serene bridge]

The only guess I have is that they have other priorities

[true pond]

Throw out 6 stun grenades scales with attack speed

[hard verge]

Finally

[serene bridge]

Also, OVERDRIVE ability when for Mul-T’ alternative utility?

[remote depot]

consider that a lot of newer players already find her base kit complex to use

[last girder]

maybe the devs think all the survivors are in a pretty good place rn ability wise

[fluid sonnet]

HALAL DEAD BY DAYLIGHT كرات الجنس الحلال الربيع SPRINGTRAP NEW KILLER 1080P ARABIC SUBTITLE تمتص

[shy wadi]

Not again….

[hard verge]

WHAT

[forest widget]

honestly yea. maybe huntress could use some tweaks.

[last girder]

and if they add like 5 abilities per slot per survivor that's just too much shit to keep track of for new players

[hard verge]

I CANT SAY N*TRO

[serene bridge]

Artificer should have more abilities than the rest

[fluid sonnet]

bots

[remote depot]

dont wanna overwhelm with too many abilities

[shy wadi]

It’s illegal

[fluid sonnet]

artificer needs a lot more

[serene bridge]

It fits for her, and has a bigger range of complexity compared to other survivor

[forest widget]

can't have shit in detroit

[hybrid bloom]

I don’t know about volume of abilities she should just be as good as everyone else

[serene bridge]

Why do u think testing out artificer ability mods sounds interesting?

[simple sun]

"she is more complex than other characters"
"hopoo games should make her more complex by adding more skills to her making her complex"

[serene bridge]

Cuz it fits

[flat shale]

Artifice Ice primary and special when

[last girder]

I think her current abilities should just be more good

[forest widget]

the most complex character is probably merc or mul-t

arti is fairly simple

[serene bridge]

Since she literally plays the 2 generic elements, might aswell make more

[last girder]

and synchronize with eachother well

[simple sun]

Merc gameplay wise MulT loadout wise

[flat shale]

The amount of wacky shit you can do just by having two equipments is

[remote depot]

yeah consider that merc doesnt need that many skills to be the most complex, just an interesting gimmick (expose)

[shy wadi]

Rex is just hold left click and occasionally hit shift and right click

[flat shale]

Very funny

[last girder]

?

[remote depot]

elemental gimmicks with arti could be a fun way to give a high skill ceiling like merc

[signal ember]

n¡tro

[hybrid bloom]

The real homies remember 100% invulnerability on merc

[shy wadi]

And that’s probably the third most skilled character XD

[remote depot]

without adding any new skills

[hard verge]

Ok chat what is your favorite new track and why is it track 2

[red ingot]

hop on risk of rain 2

[serene bridge]

Real homies remember merc can hurt himself.

[forest widget]

@keen warren

[remote depot]

something like fire doing more damage to recently frozen enemies

[shy wadi]

Yes

[simple sun]

Readd the old cut arti gimmick where random equipments would make random skills do more damage

omg u got [Fire Equipment] now ur primary deal more damage

[last girder]

maybe add a choose your flavor thing to arti like acrid's blight or poison

[serene bridge]

Fire, should apply brittle on enemies

Sounds interesting.

[true pond]

@keen warren he pinged the mods

[remote depot]

merc is a really well designed character in terms of not having much skills but being extremely high skill ceiling

[hybrid bloom]

I just want primary to recharge faster with attack speed

[hybrid bloom]

Bandit gets this

[simple sun]

that's never happening

[serene bridge]

N0

[remote depot]

hard disagree, we dont need fast m1

[hard verge]

Cry

[hybrid bloom]

She has synergy with AS elsewhere in her kit too

[remote depot]

thats what visions is for if you want it that much

[forest widget]

plus merc is cool in how he manages to give the impression that he sucks ass to newer players. arti too.

[serene bridge]

Get purity for da funny

[hard verge]

AS isn't even that strong in general tho