game-questions-returns

[tough raptor]

hey fellas im currently in the bazar and I destroyed 3 golden beacons or halcyoon beacons (whatever they're called) and a text appeard in my chat saying: you hear thunder rumbling / the storm beckons.

Im fairly new to the game... do you know what it could be ?

[proud peak]

Wrong channel ask #ror2-game-questions

[tough raptor]

my bad !

oh its returns okok my bad

[quasi brook]

how does progression in ror1 work
I thought that I'd get to a final boss or something at some point but I went through all the levels and just came back to the first level, the only diferences being that the wandering vagrant was "overloaded" and the portal was "divine"

[hexed gorge]

The divine teleporter has a different interact key to go to the last stage

[quasi brook]

what does that mean
I'm confused

oh

like you press a different button to continue to the last stage but if you press the normal button you loop endlessly?

so what's the button then for controller

[hexed gorge]

It'll say on the teleporter when you move up to it

I think it's the swap item key iirc

[tender gazelle]

Y/triangle by default

[boreal ermine]

oh poor soul

[quasi brook]

yeah that was kinda terrible

[boreal ermine]

no like

there was a now-deleted message by what was pretty clearly a hacked account

[quasi brook]

oh lol

rip

btw how do I kill the overloaded bosses if I do eventually continue
because like with the overloaded vagrant I got hit like every time

at least one of its attacks hit me each time I think

for normal vagrant I did fine by just doing the commando roll to get out of the way, I dodged them all very easily

[livid garden]

overloading bosses are really scary, watch for the small zaps there's a sort of cue for it

for the overloading worm in particular, pray

[warm hemlock]

Overloading vagrants don't actually have the innate spark like regular overloadings (at least from what I remember) instead their attacks have those zaps.

This only really applies to vagrants and cremators though (though maybe cremators have a zap and I've never noticed it)
Fun facts: Overloading cremators shoot out Less Shells than regular ones

[quasi brook]

what's a zap lol

oh and btw should I keep using commando or try enforcer, bandit, or acrid more

[boreal ermine]

not another one

[vernal ferry]

Suncles doesn't want another 50$ 🙁

[red coyote]

is game have updates or no

[boreal ermine]

likely not

[red coyote]

is gearbox even trying to make update or they just don't do anything

[boreal ermine]

gearbox doesn't develop this game

hopoo games did

there's a number of factors that made updating the game difficult, some of which being:

• most of hopoo games is now at valve
• gearbox publishing is gone, which has to be resolved before the game can get updates

the remaining developers are trying to contact with gearbox and get something to happen, but ultimately only time will tell if anything happens

[red coyote]

ok

[spare nova]

i just started playing this game and i keep dying on the 1st to 3rd stage and its honestly making me not wanna play the game further any help?

[boreal ermine]

what's your general strategy

[spare nova]

i tried full clearing first like its ror2 but that didnt work so i just grab a few items then head to the teleporter

[boreal ermine]

generally full looting isn't a terrible strategy here, though you do have to consider time scaling way more than ror2

around 6-7 minutes per stage is what you wanna shoot for

it is worth noting that there's no teleporter radius though

so as long as you have money, you can loot anywhere on the stage

so you can leave a few chests near the tp and then open them during the event

[spare nova]

i noticed but the enemy spam in this game is genuinely just too much

also one of the bosses trapped me and i got jumped while in there so thats great game design

[boreal ermine]

positioning is generally way more important in this game

if you're overwhelmed and struggling to kill things, it can help to run around the stage during the event so that enemy spawns are spaced out

even if it feels bad to waste time, if there's no other way to survive the event than to wait out the timer, that's better than getting overwhelmed and dying

also, be on the lookout for aoe/multihit abilities and item effects

commando's secondary, Full Metal Jacket, is an obvious example
that, and every melee skill in the game will damage everything in its range

also, enemies don't have collision

so while it may seem perilous, if you are cornered and there's no way other than through the crowd, you should go for it

repeatedly jumping and running for it will make most common enemies unable to hit you

[spare nova]

it seems like that all the time

[boreal ermine]

that feeling will probably wane as you learn enemy behaviours and such

each has its weaknesses that can be exploited

[spare nova]

do the layouts for the map ever change

[boreal ermine]

each stage has 6 variants

but generally there's 2 major layout types per stage

and for each type there's 3 slightly different versions

you can look at the wiki to see the full layouts, or collect environment logs to view them in-game

[spare nova]

💔

i tend to get lost alot in this game and barely find anything

[boreal ermine]

that's definitely how it feels at first
but you'll pick up on the patterns and layouts eventually

it helps to play at 1x zoom scale

it makes everything smaller and harder to see, but it's also way easier to tell where you are

[spare nova]

alr thanks ill try this later because i had enough of this game for today 💔

[boreal ermine]

fair

[old pewter]

you can make each stage only have 3 variants in classic options

[boreal ermine]

2 actually

[frigid karma]

does returns run with the credit system like in 2?

[boreal ermine]

yes?

[frigid karma]

yes?

[mild sun]

They're asking of returns uses a similar stage credit system to 2

[frigid karma]

to explain further, im going for the engineer beam drone achivment, and im wondering if i can boost spawn rate of drones if i put on artifact of sacrifice

and if not what can i do to better help getting that achivement, because i just finished a 4h run with no results of the achivment

[boreal ermine]

it does

i think sacrifice reduces the stage credits but

you can try it i suppose

[frigid karma]

cool thank you

[crystal lynx]

does the classified access codes cannon hit providence? (does it even spawn on contact light?)

[boreal ermine]

yes

[crystal lynx]

wahoo!!!

[boreal ermine]

it only hits his first phase so it's not too impactful, but it's still fun

classified access codes my beloved ...

[bleak imp]

I think sacrifice might put a limit of 1 drone per stage, best thing to do is probably either loop a lot or get really lucky with one spawning on the contact light

[toxic path]

bro im confused with the parent hitbox, does it only hit the ground or does it also hit the air?

[boreal ermine]

only the ground

jumping evades it

[supple peak]

feels like half the attacks in the entire game only hit the ground tbh

it's silly

[boreal ermine]

that's correct

[toxic path]

ok one more question

does the bouncy cell things with shield have one shot protection? i nuked one with a sniper shot and just took away the shield bruh

[boreal ermine]

yes, shield will absorb all damage

[toxic path]

bruh

[boreal ermine]

it's the same shield that guardian's heart gives you

so you benefit from the one-shot protection too if you get that item

[toxic path]

thats cool i guess

[autumn karma]

is there anywhere that has a list of the best abilities for each character?

[vague python]

Uhm, I think disputed origin made a few yr videos about it

Idk he's made teirlists

But idk if he made that

[primal valve]

Abilities are close enough in effectiveness that personal preference shifts to which is best.

[warm hemlock]

There are a few noteworthy ones but in this game a lot of the alts come down to preference

Like yeah obviously the parry is better than whirlwind, even though whirlwind is fine its just that parry is parry
And obviously backblast is better than burnout but we aren't ready for that convo

[crystal lynx]

do i need to be playing the associated survivor to unlock prismatic shards?

[fervent copper]

no

[tender gazelle]

just need to have the survivor unlocked

[quick spear]

how are secrets in this game found? besides the ones where i just ||walk into the walls||

[fervent copper]

das about it

maybe some jump boosting

[cyan bluff]

am I doing something wrong? I didn't get hit until level 10 (made sure of it with 999% damage taken) and I didn't get the achievement

[supple peak]

the humble

[fervent copper]

we don't talk about him

[primal valve]

You mean in general or how they were found? the biggest one was tons of community effort combing thru the game and solving some puzzles decoding some "out of place" stuff.

[quick spear]

in general

[native wing]

Why does ending one of judgement stages by throwing an enemy off stage softlocks you?

It has ruined a few of my runs by now

[fervent copper]

it's not supposed to

they should die to the kill zone

[boreal ermine]

they do die

[tender gazelle]

second stage of judgement has some weird issues doesn't it

[boreal ermine]

their ungodly trial scripting system biting them in the ass lol

[naive tulip]

Is there any way to start a completely new save file?

[vocal tangle]

How do I like, generally improve I guess? I'm curious, because in ror2 a lot of it is using things like scrappers and printers to manage your runs, but I'm not sure how to actually "build" in this game. I feel like every time I get to stage 4-5 I always get overwhelmed so fast during TP because of the sheer horde of 40 enemies

[boreal ermine]

this game is alot more focused on speed rather than crafting builds

you gather items as quickly as you can, and play around their effects to try and maximize success

navigation is extremely important for both fighting and efficient traversal of stages

[vocal tangle]

mm, that does make sense

i'm sure it'll come with time I suppose then
i can tell im missing some chunks when it feels like i full looted at 5 mins lol

[vocal tangle]

Would it be good to start the teleporter early and finish looting after? I notice that I finish the stages with a large sum of gold.

[boreal ermine]

somewhat yes

its definitely good for time efficiency

just gotta be careful not to hit it too early and potentially lose out on stuff

[valid finch]

Yeah what kris said
Understanding items and utilizing them to the maximum and understanding map layouts

Like snake eyes for example

If you hit two mountain shrines on a tp

Dont start that tp

Go find a shrine and go gamble because youre gonna want that crit from snake eyes

Or decaying sample

Always try to position yourself so its doing as much damage as possible

Rorr as a whole feels much more “survival” based than ror2s “minmax till you oneshot everything in a 20 mile radius”

[vocal tangle]

yeah, it seems like mountains are a lot harder in this game? i normally die every time i hit one or two

triple imp overlord especially, i stand no chance

whereas ror2 theyre just free loot

[valid finch]

Always keep in mind its entirely fair to run away during the teleporter until enemies stop spawning

Then slowly cut down the horde till just bosses are left

[vocal tangle]

oh, they stop? i thought it would be infinite relative to the boss/charge like ror2

ill keep that in mind for disengaging definitely then, ive been essentially just losing ground trying to be aggro

[boreal ermine]

the tp always charges (no radius) and enemies stop spawning after 90 secs

[mild sun]

I find I never have enough credits post tp what am I doing wrong lol

[livid garden]

credits? like, money?

uh try to aim for like 5-6 minutes per stage vaguely

lower mobility survivors on desolate forest or damp caverns might need to take 8-9 but it's really not a huge deal

[mild sun]

Fuck damp cavern lol

[boreal ermine]

its true that stage is smelly

[mild sun]

Hmm I've tried rushing and full looting still getting used to returns

[livid garden]

notably, enemies individually aren't really as threatening as ror2 ones... for the most part

significantly less projectiles to worry about

learn what melee attacks each enemy does and react accordingly. jump a lot. honestly imo rorr is easier than ror2 because you don't get sniped by stuff from off screen (there isn't really an off screen to get sniped from)

[potent narwhal]

What's the point of leaving feedback and suggestions if hopoo is gone or am I missing something?

[potent narwhal]

I'd say for ror1 going straight to the teleprter and killing a couple of enemies along the way usually works, and then start looting with the remaining money

[fervent copper]

There isn't. You would be wasting your time.

[potent narwhal]

oh ok then

[valid valley]

Captain build with command?

[hardy lichen]

Captain? Do you mean piolet?

[native wing]

They do die but it doesn't finish the stage

So you're stuck in that stage

[quick spear]

captain isnt in this game

go to #ror2-discussion or #ror2-game-questions

[vocal tangle]

do i aim for the first (light pink) or second (darker) reload as sniper

[valid finch]

First

[mild sun]

How to play sniper

[boreal ermine]

backflip > m2 to slide like a gamer

rinse repeat until you win

not even kidding sniper gameplay is mostly just landing the nastiest charge shots until you win

[supple peak]

yeah like kris said, backflip m2 is the best combo
you can also jump while charging your m2 to dodge stuff if you wanna delay the backflip

[boreal ermine]

jumping while sliding like a gamer also makes you go farther

[livid garden]

also get into a rhythm with your primary, tap, reload, tap, reload, etc

or just run alt primary it's technically better (worse earlygame tho)

sniper's one of my favorite characters to play, on paper they'd seem to lack AoE with their default kit but really they don't

[lofty harbor]

The swipe is better?

I’ve never actually tried it 😮

[fervent copper]

It’s very good

Not only do you not have to reload afterwards, but it has great knockback AND can be used while charging both secondaries

So if your backflip isn’t an option you can bash enemies to push them into your line of sight for a big shot

[lilac knot]

Sniper is too good

[forest nova]

HAN-D

[fervent copper]

boxing glove

[fervent copper]

No

Just wait on Sunken Tombs by a hole

[swift path]

Hey any idea which Commando loadout is best or all of his abilities good?

[valid finch]

All are good

Tho slide has a weird bug rn where it wont activate if youre already using primary

[mild sun]

"RN" 😦

[mild sun]

I was told knife really falls off

[valid finch]

Waiting fo a mod to fix it 💔

knife is very good who told you that

It does the opposite of fall off

It doubles every single one of your procs

There is no falling off

[livid garden]

commando has definitive bad loadouts (suppressive fire is a kind of bad skill and synergizes very poorly with knife) but no definitive best one

id say best is 1212 but it's really personal preference between that and 1111/1112

roll vs slide is entirely personal preference it doesn't really affect that much. imo slide is better if you use suppressive fire (normally it makes you slow for quite a while but slide lets you get around this) but roll is better otherwise

[lilac knot]

I think both secondaries and specials are good, but I would keep the roll. I dont think sacrificing the i-frames is worth it

[fervent copper]

Keep the roll no matter what, special is interchangeable, but do not change the secondary without changing the special

[lilac knot]

Exactlyy

I think ror returns might just be the greatest remake of all time

[valid finch]

i use slide and it functions just fine

you can get away with slide just like how you can get away with roll

[fervent copper]

Slide is bugged rn so it’s not a great pick

[valid finch]

all you do to avoid the bug is take your finger off of primary

Annoying sure

It by no means is ruining the move

Not even close

Just annoying to deal with youll get over it sooner rather than later

[fervent copper]

but the point of slide is that you should be able to attack while dodging

that’s the entire reason you pick it

[valid finch]

you… can still do that

Lol

you just have to stop firing for a split second to use it

For it to activate

You can fire while sliding still

[swift path]

Thanks. I played with knife and shotgun. Knife does 50 percent more damage debuff so i thought with shotgun it be neat

[valid finch]

fun fact

The wounded debuff knife applies

[swift path]

I think the slide feel better though even though the cancel is annoying

[valid finch]

That has the extra damage numbers

Also proc items

so using knife also doubles all of your procs

[swift path]

neat

And that you can use it while sliding feels bad ass

[fleet adder]

can artifact or origin give you more money or more items if you play with sacrifice?

[mild sun]

anyone know what this does?

[valid finch]

This is a mod for rorr.

[uneven mantle]

Real

[forest nova]

I haven't experienced that but in a while

[hexed gorge]

Someone just uploaded the template mod for whatever reason

It doesn't do anything

[valid finch]

finally a good mod

[quick spear]

every modpage has a billion of those for some reason

even non thunderstore

[lilac knot]

Real...

[boreal ermine]

yes

[mild sun]

It's sad that this has more downloads than a mod that let's you adjust enemy spawns

[native wing]

Idk, it's not my mod

[boreal ermine]

-# ...then why would you reply to say that

[native wing]

I used commando with gloves, his skills help a lot

[native wing]

They might be expecting me to answer

[native wing]

How can i get rorr character sprites? And how can i make a playable character mod?

[native wing]

I approve of this image

[quasi brook]

in the original risk of rain, why the heck do things that I do keep not showing up
as in I'll unlock an artifact or character and then when I go to character select it doesn't show as unlocked, at least not for a bit for some reason
is this a known problem???

I unlocked mercenary earlier, as in I killed providence and got the little pop up saying that I unlocked it, yet it is not unlocked -.-

[lilac knot]

Im not the most tech savvy, so i'm not sure how to extract sprites from the game but i do know theres an example character mod on thunderstore that you could work off of

https://thunderstore.io/c/risk-of-rain-returns/p/RoRRModdingToolkit/Jam/

[native wing]

Immense thanks

[lilac knot]

[primal valve]

For Sprites: #ror-wiki-discussion message

[spring flume]

is there a reason why i cant unlock (what i assume is) artificier? im pretty sure i meet the requirements to get it as i have the steam achievement with the same description as the character unlock

[old pewter]

hmm

idk, maybe you could try manual save editing, youd need to figure out how tho!

[grim lion]

Can somebody please help me

Is there a newer version i don't know about of ror2

because i'm on 1.3.7 for some reason when i'm supposed to be on 1.3.5

[boreal ermine]

wrong channel this is for rorr

[grim lion]

oh sorry

im confused a bit

[daring yew]

hi

need help with a logbook

[valid finch]

Been awhile since i got that but im pretty sure you can just hop off of one of those ladders

One of the walls you can walk through

Not the exact way to get it im pretty sure but this is what i mean

They like doing that

hidden ladders and walls you can walk through

[mild sun]

What items should I unlock asap

[fervent copper]

just play the game and the important ones will come naturally

[mild sun]

Oh ok

[daring yew]

Hi, I wanna play with my friend. I figure couch coop doesn't exist. How hard is Lan coop to setup?

[boreal ermine]

there's local coop

[daring yew]

So I only need one copy and 2 controllers?

[boreal ermine]

yeah should work

be aware that its not splitscreen, so you'll have to contend with one camera trying to follow both players

but yeah

[fervent copper]

It’s not that bad with one camera

[modest salmon]

Hi guys, does anyone have any tips for looping? I want to try it but I dont know whic characters are best for it or how to go about it

[quick spear]

wait returns

nvm

[lilac knot]

Try loader, his invincibility ability is pretty amazing during a loop

[modest salmon]

Awesome thank you

[native wing]

What if there wad an item that negated all damage permanently forever and every survivor had one st the beginning of each game

Oh also it would give a 100% chance of instakill, infinite piercing (and add a beam like heaven cracker) and extremely high fire speed

[mild sun]

You're sounding dangerously similar to #ror2-feedback-and-ideas

[native wing]

Ror2 has already affected me

[modest salmon]

one quick question about loader, which of his 4th abilities is better

[fallow oxide]

Alt spec because it gives him one of the highest primary DPS in the game

[modest salmon]

thank you 🙂 ill give it a shot

[fallow oxide]

Its CD is 8.5 seconds

Gigantic amethyst is 8 sec

So you can nearly have perpetual rof buff

[fervent copper]

That’s his only alt ability that is definitely better. His alt primary sucks balls and his alt secondary is on par with default

[modest salmon]

thank you for all the tips, everyone here is so nice

[fallow oxide]

I WILL GUT YOU LIKE A FISH

[fervent copper]

We are just better than ror2 chat in every way

[urban hornet]

loader is so boring with invincibility shield, divebomb ftw. Get a headstompers and your dps goes up so much

Oh, plus more mobility. Ceiling grapple to divebomb is awesome

[fallow oxide]

1212 FTW

[mild sun]

It's crazy how much better alt special is

[valid finch]

Normal special still has its niche and isnt a bad move by any means alt special is just dumb

Fuck the meta all the real ones play bullet punch default special loader

[primal valve]

Default Loader Special is goat for Artifact "puzzle" buttons.

[lilac knot]

I will never give up invincibility shield

I do like the idea of dive+head stomper tho

[mild sun]

Dive is good

[elder patrol]

Both are good

Shield is a bit boring but either will get the job done

[fervent copper]

<@&559786374228738069> KILL

[wise dove]

fluxdeadshot was banned.

[valid finch]

<@&559786374228738069> speaking of a 50$ gift…

[daring yew]

Oof

[trail lark]

What are huntresses best abilities

[warm hemlock]

Try all of them out and see which one you like

All of her alts are good, really laser cyclone is probably the closest to an alt outclassing the default but the default is still good and pretty nice for taking care of flying enemies

[valid finch]

<@&559786374228738069> might not be a 50$ steam card but it is 50$

[wise dove]

jujermo was banned.

[valid finch]

i wanted the steam card :((

[dense matrix]

Mine

[potent narwhal]

should i get returns on pc if i already have ror2 and its dlcs on ps5 but want mods or not?

[fervent copper]

You should get returns anyway

[potent narwhal]

as in should i get returns or ror2

[valid finch]

probably ror2 if you can afford it

oh are you just talking about ror2 just for mods

probably rorr then

[potent narwhal]

yea

ok thanks

[fervent copper]

Returns has a modding scene as well. It's small but growing fast!

[hardy lichen]

Any tips for getting the providence boss log?

[fervent copper]

get lucky

there is no way to influence its drop rates

[hardy lichen]

Thought playing on Moonsoon/Rainstorm would increase the drop chance

[boreal ermine]

difficulty doesn't affect it

[boreal ermine]

oh you poor sod

[supple peak]

<@&559786374228738069> $50

[wise dove]

r2d21347 was banned.

[hardy lichen]

:(

[boreal ermine]

not you

there was a hacked account post

[hardy lichen]

ooh my bad

[proud peak]

<@&559786374228738069> again

[wise dove]

_onoah_ was banned.

[old pewter]

they are being generous today

its like christmas!!

[proud peak]

They adapted, now their links are "steamegifts"

[valid finch]

<@&559786374228738069> 50$ gift

Theyre so nice!

[neon shell]

how long has this been going on? (all the scam links)

[fervent copper]

Forever

[neon shell]

when i played ror before, i saw like no scam links in this server

it was relatively clean

but now when i started playing again, i've already seen atleast 20 scam links

in less than 2 hours

[modest salmon]

how does one go about playing robomando effectively

[urban hornet]

Hit tp immediatley then run around looting all chests

[valid finch]

Bout how youd expect

Not much thought process needed to annihilate everything with robomando

Little shit is petrichors doom

[modest salmon]

thanks 🙂

i will go and robomando all over petrichor V now

[valid finch]

Crack open everything fo free hit any shrines with remaining money win game

[livid garden]

the strat as robomando is to just not fight stuff

run around get chests kill the boss go to the next area

killing other stuff is time that could be spent getting chests

[trail lark]

Which huntress primary is better

I just unlocked pierce

[boreal ermine]

up to preference

pierce is slower but does massive satisfying crowd burst damage

[urban hornet]

I think pierce is better but you can make do with the regular primary as long as you take laser cyclone. If not, huntress is awful with crowds

[valid finch]

Huntress is never bad ever

Default secondary and special does more than good enough

[trail lark]

Why doesn't huntresses alt colors change her attack colors it just stays blue no matter what : (

[vagrant mango]

I have a question im kinda new to the fandom whats risk of rain: returns

[valid finch]

Remake of the first risk of rain game

[vagrant mango]

I see is it just marketed as risk of rain or does it have the returns aswell?

[boreal ermine]

ror returns has a separate steam page

[vagrant mango]

Ah is it steam only?

[boreal ermine]

its also on switch

not on other console platforms unfortunately

[vagrant mango]

Sadge but i didnt know it was on switch. Thank you for answering my questions.

[boreal ermine]

🐱 👍

[native wing]

what if you unlocked logs after x amount of kills?

[nocturne tartan]

what if?

[fervent copper]

You do, just the amount of kills is random

[boreal ermine]

and it just so happens to range from 1 to infinity

[viral siren]

That’d be sick. I think some modders were trying to get that to happen for some characters a few months back. I dunno how far they’ve gotten or if they’ve already made mods for it, but not all of an attack’s effects are based on the sprite, so it’s a bit more involved.

[white sapphire]

any tips for returns? i find it a lot harder than ror2

[fervent copper]

loot during the teleporter event. There is no radius you need to stay inside and chests don't get locked when you start it, so often what I do when I see the teleporter is to hit it immediately and casually continue on my way

[white sapphire]

thanks

[rancid vortex]

I got stuck in a wall on hive cluster, any suggestions for getting out?

[jagged herald]

Am I stuck?

[valid finch]

Wall you can walk through

[sly geyser]

i know wound hits the enemy again for 50% of the original hit and also procs stuff, its not just an "enemy takes more damage debuff"

[primal valve]

Commandos Wound triggers Extra hit that procs stuff so is Multiplicative with everything, others are seperate +% of hit done and don't interact with eachother making them Additive.

[boreal ermine]

not true

they don't combine additively. they all combine multiplicatively

well maybe not all but most do

[urban hornet]

…meaning wound is essentially a double proc tag on an enemy?

No way right

[boreal ermine]

it is

that's the main thing making it insanely strong

[urban hornet]

DAMN

how did that get through as not op I mean his default m2 is really great but wow

Mixed with the 6 bullet shotgun, no wonder it does so much damage

Well answering my own question, it’s about fun so who cares

[white minnow]

what's the difference between Universe and Dissonance?

[boreal ermine]

universe?

[white minnow]

it might be modded nvm

[boreal ermine]

someone's in the wrong game chat lol

[tender gazelle]

doesn't know about the returns artifact of universe mod

[boreal ermine]

🐈

[umbral fractal]

anyone know the variant 2 spot to get the legendary chest? been bouncing my head along the new variant for a hot minute

[boreal ermine]

gap in the wall to the right of the chest

[primal valve]

Basically, limited range and having to compete with FMJ arguably best skill in the game and succeeding in it

It is valid side grade trading long range AoE to short range mass murder proc machine

Also something about wounds proccing wound or something

[boreal ermine]

what?

[supple peak]

realistic bleeding

[primal valve]

I recall knifing multiple times scaling wounds better than expexted might just be feverish delirium

[boreal ermine]

it gives +50% wound damage each time but does not give extra procs

[short spindle]

Knife debuff can stack?!

[boreal ermine]

yes
all it does is increase the damage of the wound direct attack

but it is pretty damn potent

one backup mag and you suddenly can do a full damage extra proc

two and it's a 150% damage extra proc

etc etc

[open kindle]

not exactly a returns question but is it still worth picking up ror 2013 for the base game? not including any mods justthe vanilla experience, ive already played plenty of returns but im considering picking it up since it goes really cheap

[valid finch]

Not really

Modded ror1 is cool

Doesnt fix ror1 being ror1 but its cool

But in every way shape and form returns is better

But its cheap so up to you

[cunning lotus]

me personally i really like base ror but it is objectively a less-good game than rorr. still great, but superseded

if you already have rorr then there's no point in getting ror unless you have another reason (looking to complete the series, desiring the original experience, etc.)

-# i also think that ror has a certain weird charm to it that rorr lacks but that's just me

[quick spear]

vanilla ror1 has nothing to offer over rorr reallt

it has worse graphics, worse design, no original mechanics/content

[stiff sun]

do you guys think gearbox will ever care to port rorr to xbox/ps?

[boreal ermine]

not really a gearbox thing
that'd be up to the devs as far as im aware

and the game is in an awkward situation where it can't get updates because the publisher is gone, among other complications

so don't hold your breath

[old pewter]

i really like ror1 still

i play it still on consoles that dont have rorr, id still say its worth it

on pc the mods make it very worth it for me personally

especially with how cheap it is on sale

id say go for it, if nothing else its an interesting experience

-# also if you can, you should try modded. i know it wasnt part of the question, but theres a ton of talented modder folk :)

[open kindle]

im well aware, i plan to get it on pc when mines fixed but in the meantime i wanted to play around in the only title i hadnt so far
i know about starstorm but is there any other mods of note? thats the only one i hear about

[old pewter]

yea theres a ton of good ones

rainfusion.net

if it goes really cheap id pick it up, if not i wouldnt

tho im weird and i like to see how games change ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[open kindle]

thanks for this , had no idea this site existed

[unborn falcon]

what am i supposed to do against evolved lems as han-d

i keep dying on stage 4 because i cant get away from them </3

who would win, overloading bird or robot janitor with no movement items

[valid finch]

Use blast drone movement tech

But just use specials

Hammer does a bit of a better job at taking down fliers than saw

Go comedically large aoe

You can also beat them to death whenever they land

[unborn falcon]

i dont have blast drone unlocked ):

[ornate tangle]

Has there been any word at all on the future of this game? There’s so much potential here, I’d had to see it wasted… the devs have so much love and passion for it

[fervent copper]

Yeah we are literally gonna get a patch for the three sots characters to polish them up

So far anything past that we can only speculate

[ornate tangle]

This is risk of rain returns channel

[fervent copper]

oh so it is

yeah no nothing

but for legal reasons mostly

[valid finch]

something something when gearbox was sold off to taketwo gearbox publishing died along with it something something devs cant update the game something something theyve been trying to get contact with people but nothings been working so far something something

tldr as of now no we dont get any updates

(and even if they were to get permission to update the game again somehow it wouldnt be much atp)

so enjoy modding

[fervent copper]

The devs have been trying their hardest to get the attention of take two to no avail

[forest nova]

Take Two L

[supple peak]

Take Two Viruses from our EULA

[fervent copper]

not in my game! (I have yet to sign it)

[static karma]

Take Two considers modding to be a "bannable offense" in some of their games.

that's what their crappy new EULA says in their games

That's (one of the reasons) Borderlands is falling apart

[elder patrol]

That’s cringe

[quick spear]

true ‼️

[primal valve]

Makes sense for some games (mostly Online Multiplayer based) but honestly when has EULA stopped modding anyway.

[limpid venture]

Is FLAMBE a typo?

[limpid venture]

Oh

[tender gazelle]

flambe is the empowered sear

from your special

[viral siren]

It is a typo, missing dat

É

[robust vine]

yo can somebody help me unlock robomando? i don't have Pilot so i can't go up to the place where i need to place the equipment is

[valid finch]

lobby is open

name is word

[clever fulcrum]

Do Drifter's temp items contribute to challenges like the one for Chef or are they seen as "different"?

[primal valve]

Temp items count for unlocking stuff, as long as they are in the inventory at the same time aka haven't disappeared yet

[clever fulcrum]

I did unlock him with temp items now

[sterile nymph]

How does Lepton Daisy work in Simalcrum, it feels like the heal is random

oml im so sorry wrong channel

[real rivet]

If engineer’s turrets have Life Savings, would they get a damage boost from Golden Gun?

[uneven mantle]

I’d say maybe, but the buff would likely be miniscule if so

[boreal ermine]

gold gain items dont affect non-players at all iirc

[uneven mantle]

Which yellow item should i opt for in commando’s judgement trial?

I’ve been getting ifrit’s horn because it’s proc-based and idk if the imp tentacle would aggro enemies (to my advantage) or not

[urban hornet]

im pretty sure enemies dont target the imp, so id go with ifrits horn

[uneven mantle]

Alright ty

[uneven mantle]

Does enemy level/difficulty scale with time in judgement?

[warm hemlock]

Yes but unless you're doing the captains brooch robomando strat you shouldn't notice it that much

And even in that strat, you have a bunch of items they aint gonna be lasting long

[uneven mantle]

aight thanks

[fervent copper]

horn on everyone

[uneven mantle]

It’s that good? Alright

[urban hornet]

Yes it’s amazing

[fervent copper]

Shell piece is bugged so it's a worse geart, and tentacle isn't good

horn has massive crowd control and damage

it's like the perferators of this game

[violet coyote]

Does this game work fine on switch 👽 ive heard it can't come to xbox so that'd be the only platform i can play on

[dire fiber]

Why would'nt it be fine, the 3d version is really good on switch so the 2d pixel art is super good dw

[violet coyote]

Thnx, ive just not used my switch much so i have no idea

[dire fiber]

Don't worry

[inland violet]

Heya I just unlocked loaders alt primary In rorr. But idk if it's just a skill issue or whatever but it seems reeeeeallly weak compared to loaders base primary. Is this just a skill issue on my part or is it genuinely bad?

[tender gazelle]

yeah unfortunately bullet punch just isn't very good comparatively

[inland violet]

Oof. Gtk .-.

[valid finch]

Bullet punch def isnt a bad move

But knuckle boom is just uhh

A little insane

[nocturne tartan]

Hey folks,
Game seems to be capped at 30fps after attempting to mod, even when I turn off the mods.
Any ideas?

[oak compass]

Which has a higher dps, commando's double tap or pilot's rapid fire? (assuming all the shots hit)

oh nvm it's definitely rapid fire

[valid finch]

yeah

[inland violet]

Was playing a regular ol monsoon run and opened up a large chest to get a yellow item, is this normal?

[valid finch]

shouldnt be

do you have a clip

[inland violet]

Yeah one second

It's a screenshot tho

[inland violet]

Here ya go

[valid finch]

any mods?

[inland violet]

Nope I'm on switch lite

I wish tho

[valid finch]

weird

never seen that happen

not only a yellow but the only yellow equipment

[inland violet]

Yeah I wondered if it was some odd thing from returns as I'm coming from ror2 and such but I wiki checked there's nothing there abt this

Also not even a reddit article on it. :I

[worldly shore]

Rare bug that seems to not have been fixed on Switch

[inland violet]

Ohhhhhhh oki ty

[fleet oasis]

Is this like a sequel to the first game, remake of it, or it's its own thing? I've only started getting into ROR2 at the end of last year, and I've been wondering whether I should eventually check the first game or Returns first, once I feel like expanding.

[boreal ermine]

remake of the first game

rorr is basically just ror1 but superior in nearly every way

[fleet oasis]

I see.

[idle lance]

Why is it not on Xbox

[fervent copper]

Easier to make it for switch, and now that gearbox publishing doesn’t exist and hopoo disbanded it’s not gonna happen ever

[idle lance]

Dang

I have it on my switch now

[valid finch]

<@&559786374228738069> 50$ gift

[runic fox]

Personally I'd say the only thing that could be not seen as direct upgrades is the redone visuals and, iirc the music has gotten some work too.

And really that's just a matter of taste, the old sprites and look does have its charm in simplicity.

[half elbow]

guys after almost 150h in rorr i've only completed 66% and didn't unlock mercenary, am i too bad to 100% it?

[proud peak]

Yes
Kidding of course

Maybe try lowering the difficulty a small bit so you get a better feel for the game

[half elbow]

i like the difficulty of the game in general but some challenges are just too hard

[proud peak]

What in particular is giving you trouble

[half elbow]

Challenges like A dime a dozen, watery graves or any of the sniper's are too hard for me

[proud peak]

Just takes a fair bit of practice and setup to do those

I always dedicated entire runs for each achievement

[half elbow]

Can all the achievements be done in drizzle?

[proud peak]

Unless the achievement specifies monsoon yes

Well aside from a very particular survivor but you dont have to worry about that

[half elbow]

And i know it isn't the right channel for this but is it the same in ror2

[proud peak]

Yes

Same with artifacts

[half elbow]

ok ok

[proud peak]

And also rorr's difficulty adjustments of taking and dealing damage

Everything is fair game and counts

[warm hemlock]

Every achievement barring the ancient scepter one can be done in drizzle

And I guess robomando but he doesn't really count

[balmy tulip]

I wanna get better at the game. Any advice?

[warm hemlock]

In terms of dodging spacebar is your friend
That being said in terms of gamesense there's one thing you should always remember: Its fine to take time to do things

Don't listen to the peeps who say "Oh btw if you waste 2 minutes you die" Or stuff like that

Looting efficiently is king in 2 and its king in this game aswell

[balmy tulip]

Okay perfect. I do try to make a mental map of a level and try to loot everything in an efficient order as I go. Sometimes leaving a shrine or two on level one if they rack up too high. Essentially though I just want to beat the game on normal and maybe hard eventually.

[runic fox]

Don't forget that difficulty scales with time, also you will see some hefty increases in early power as you unlock more items through playing, along with getting better as a player.

[balmy tulip]

Oh I've been playing for a while so I have quite a few items unlocked now. I've just been playing on easy most of that time.

[runic fox]

To some degree higher difficulties aren't massively more difficult either, since more enemies means more gold means more items faster means more power faster.

[balmy tulip]

I've noticed you get more and higher tier items earlier on higher difficulties too

[fervent copper]

That’s placebo

Item concentrations are the same

[runic fox]

Perception usually. There's fewer periods where nothing happens so it feels like the time between items or notable events is lower.

[north tendon]

What does the Strange Battery do?

[valid finch]

[north tendon]

I was just looking it up and I'm wondering where is the Rift chest and where does it show up?

[valid finch]

Stage 2 of your next run

Drizzle
Go to stage 5
Find strange batter
Go to stage 6
Find the funky chest doohickey
Go to menu
Up difficulty to rainstorm or monsoon doesnt matter
Find the funky chest on stage 2 of the run
Go to stage 4 once the timer hits 22:00 on stage 3

Find robomando then profit

[north tendon]

I've got the chest so I guess what I need to do next is actually find him.

[balmy tulip]

Is it? I swear I get more tier 2 items on normal rather than easy

[fervent copper]

you don't

[balmy tulip]

Damn

I may hop in VC tonight

And give some runs a go. I've been busy with music related stuff.

[north tendon]

Is there a way to swap round my two left end abilities as when playing as the Huntress I keep accidentally using my teleport since it is halfway between two of my main attacks?

[runic fox]

Besides rebinding the keybinds for those, not really.

[boreal ermine]

players are never affected by timestop

[karmic pawn]

Any notable playstyle/mindset differences between returns and 2? I've only ever played 2 and am about to try out returns, is it still the same full loot as efficiently as possible?

[valid finch]

you definitely want to loot much more efficently in returns than 2

you can loot during the teleporter as the tp has no radius

the playstyle ive been going through over my game time is scouting the stage, hit the chests further away from the tp, but leave the chests near the tp to be opened during the teleporter

youll get more efficent at it the more you play

map knowledge is infinitely more important here than it is in 2

youll also want to turn on hold primary and autojump in settings asap

the game forces you to make the most out of all items since theres no scrapping or printing

so something like bungus or decaying sample have a lot of value that will be hard to see at first

theres also a lot of movement tech throughout the game, some much more noticeable than others that will help you

[urban hornet]

generally 5 min a stage in this game is actually good advice i see newcomers on like 13 minutes just getting to damp cavers like might as well restart at that point

[valid finch]

i definitely wouldnt follow a strict rule of thumb when playing the game and rather just slowly adapt

you dont really need to pace yourself

just get better at looting

[urban hornet]

just full loot on that timer and if you go over boo hoo

[karmic pawn]

mhmmm i seee

alright

ty

<3

[north tendon]

I might try it.

[north tendon]

Why are enemies able to attack before they can be damaged? I keep having an enemy, mostly spitters, attack and kill me the moment they spawn before I can actually damage them.

[boreal ermine]

what survivor are you playing

[wintry torrent]

drill dash or drill charge on miner

[worldly shore]

Charge personally

[valid finch]

Either work

[north tendon]

Miner.

[boreal ermine]

generally as melees you either go in quickly enough to stagger the enemy, or dodge its attack before closing in

spitters are annoying but their attack is fairly straightforward to see and jump over

[north tendon]

How do you see it when they can fire it during their spawn animation causing it to not show the spitting animation? You literally can't see that they are doing the attack.

[boreal ermine]

they can't do that though?

enemies can't act until their spawn animation ends

[north tendon]

What I've been saying this whole time is it happened to me and I have no explanation why. I think it might be related to my hardware in some way shape or form.

If it happens again I'll try and get a recording.

[boreal ermine]

ive never heard of that so i would definitely like to see it

[sterile isle]

Heya, so I’ve been having this issue with Returns that no matter what I try in terms of restarting my computer, changing the size of the screen messing with settings, reinstalling the game, and probably a few other things I’ve tried that I forgot I can’t seem to stop the game from having serious stalling issues where the game just moves in extremely sluggishly and lags out a whole bunch. If anyone knows how to fix the problem, please let me know how to fix it cause I really adore this game without the stalling issues!!

[long roost]

Is there no more updates coming for this game ? It's been a long time

[runic fox]

No updates, which sucks because no further updates, but is also good in that it lets people go wild with modding in stuff.

As for the why, publishing rights, which include the avility to update, is kinda in a legal red tape limbo after the publishing arm of gearbox got dissolved.

At least that's as much as I recall of the details anyways, might be wrong in some points but overall, no more updates.

[high kettle]

i just did a run and my god i feel like this is alot harder than ror2

am i going insane

i play on eclipse in ror2 but i died on rainstorm in rorr

[boreal ermine]

rorr is way more punishing

time matters significantly more in this game

[high kettle]

i noticed

i couldn't get a break

[valid finch]

Time matters much more but full looting the stage or nearly full looting still ends up being the best

Hit some chests before starting the tp and loot the rest while tp is active

[high kettle]

ah right yeah forgot there wasn't a radius

although i tend to lose the teleporter because the maps are very confusing to traverse

[valid finch]

Generally you wanna full loot and be getting out of there in around 5 minutes

But i wouldnt pace yourself and just focus on gradually getting better at looting

[boreal ermine]

you can take longer if it means getting more items, and if necessary you can compensate by doing later stages quickly

[high kettle]

i like that time has more of an effect

[boreal ermine]

my strategy tends to rush stage 4 due to how oppressive they are

[high kettle]

oh yeah and how the hell do i avoid toxic beast

[valid finch]

Jump over their hitboxes with good timing or just use elevation

Their hitbox is the feet

[high kettle]

ah right

[tender gazelle]

a lot of enemies in this game only have hitboxes on the ground

[boreal ermine]

if you can get a tile above beast it can't hit you

[high kettle]

yeah

right

thanks

[tender gazelle]

also they can't travel between platforms so of course that's useful

[wintry torrent]

what does the white undershirt from boar beach do

[boreal ermine]

negligible amount of armor and that's it i think

might be literally nothing

[cunning lotus]

i think it's just like 3 or 4 armor or something?

[primal valve]

IIRC +3 armor

[wintry torrent]

what item do i start with in the final prov trial with miner

[warm hemlock]

If you're not confident then you could probably start with guardians heart instead of hit list
That being said: A tip for the first stage as miner I'd give you is to kill the non elite lemurians first before tackling the volatile ones

They'd make you level up and give you just enough damage to stagger them which does help quite a bit

[wintry torrent]

i just run those off the map with my secondary

[wintry torrent]

scorching shell piece, ifrits horn, or imp overlords tentacle?

[valid finch]

Ifrits horn

[warm hemlock]

Always take horn

[worldly shore]

Horn, shell piece is broken in vanilla and doesn't work.

[runic fox]

Always valid, that.

[stark solstice]

Hey anybody that read Dune up until the end of the 2nd book? I played the original Risk of Rain 1 8 years ago ish and I recently finished Dune Messiah. As I was finishing the 2nd book I thought of how the character Paul reminded me of Providence. Using his prescience eye and being a ruler of an incredibly hostile planet with giant ridable worms. There are other minor similarities like giant moons and forcefield shields but I think those could have been an inspiration from any other media/series. Am I the only that sees these references? When I see inspirations from Lovecraft's work they're instantly visible to me, but I never thought the powerful enigmatic ruler was from an inspiration.

Also in the Dune series Paul is heralded as a hero (although Paul tries to fight this fate and what comes with it).

[runic fox]

Seems more likely it's accidental similarities than actual references imo.

Providence also doesn't have prescience afaik, he can't see events that are about to happen though he does seem to have incredibly vast awareness of what is happening somehow.

[snow sequoia]

What did console do to this game

why does it hate us

[fervent copper]

1. Switch is piss easy to port games over to, so it came first to save on manpower
2. The game literally cannot be updated anymore how tf do you expect it to get ported over to other consoles when that was never even planned in the first place?

[snow sequoia]

why can’t it be updated though 😔😔😔

[fervent copper]

The publishing branch of Gearbox that published this game no longer exists

The rights to the game have fallen to Take Two, and they don’t give a shit about this game

[snow sequoia]

so the chance is zero?

[fervent copper]

Pretty much

[snow sequoia]

damn vro

How different is return from 2013?

[fervent copper]

Very

Returns is just better

[snow sequoia]

Gameplay?

[fervent copper]

The gameplay is similar, but returns has so much QoL compared to 2013 that it is miles better

[snow sequoia]

😔😔😔

can’t get survivor mods for ror2

Can’t play the survivors in their peak

PlayStation is worth it though

[fervent copper]

hey man if you can find a way to get TT to give a shit be my guest, but even then I doubt there would be a port of returns anytime soon

[snow sequoia]

Thanks man

[runic fox]

Iirc also the dissolution of gearbox publishing apparently didn't happen in a way that made the legal rights useable somehow.

They literally do not have the rights to update anymore.

[thin jungle]

Wait, can someone tell me why rorr isn't coming to console

[boreal ermine]

game is in an unfortunate situation where the publisher is gone and it's therefore in a limbo of sorts

[lone osprey]

hello everyone, do I just suck or is RORR insane

[boreal ermine]

game is hard

way harder than ror2

[runic fox]

Publisher gone, rights are in a sort of legal limbo regarding the company that absorbed them and due to being a small game they're low enough priority it's pointless to wait for the rights required for updating the game to be figured out.

Upside tho, mods.

Also, imo RORR is a bit more front-loaded with difficulty, if you can get through the initial bump well enough you can reach a point of everything dying much quicker than 2.

[lone osprey]

I cannot seem to get through the bump

[runic fox]

You'll figure it out, it can take a bit of practice to get the vibe of how to play though generally with most things it's to constantly kite if you aren't able to plow through them.

This varies with character though, ranged ones like to kite while melee can get close in bursts or sustained fighting depending on what their kit or items allow for.

Getting some items unlocked helps a ton too.

The difficulty scaling is a little more unforgiving too iirc, full-looting if you're slow might not necessarily be worth it.

[lone osprey]

currently im trying to get my boy acrid

im struggling to make it to him

[lone osprey]

I might have to start using the 5 minute rule tbh

[runic fox]

Makes more sense here than in 2, that.

At least for the first stage or two you want to be able to get as many items as you can in the shortest amount of time, if I recall my experience correctly, been a little bit since I played.

[lone osprey]

I also wanna get chef cuz I like him a lot in 2 but I think id do well to wait until I unlock Command

[lone osprey]

see i tried that but I can never seem to find more than 3 chests

[runic fox]

Kinda just bad luck, that.

[boreal ermine]

learning stage layouts will come with time and will help alot

[runic fox]

You will have to simply guess which direction the portal is though, really.

Depending on character and their kit you have differing wiggleroom on how much time you can take, though generally imo you want more items than there are minutes on the clock, bosses tend to be relatively quicker to kill too a lot of the time, or at least a lot less of an issue, so don't be scared to hit the teleporter a little early perhaps.

Unlike 2, there's no teleporter zone and no interactions are restricted with stuff on the stage.

[runic fox]

Don't be afraid to try different characters btw, you're bound to found one that clicks with you.

[urban hornet]

In a time sense yeah but that’s just cuz everything in this game is faster. I feel comfortable in ror2 by stage 4 whereas stage 6 in returns can still be trouble

[boreal ermine]

wrong channel

[lucid scarab]

hi could someone help me to figure something out? is there a way to beat the final boss mithrix and then do amother boss through a secret shortcut or something like in binding of issaac? ive heard something about a frog but some people say it doesnt work so idk is there some condition to unlock that frog?

[fervent copper]

You are asking in the wrong channel

And yes that is a thing, but you need to have the Survivors of the Void dlc to do it

[restive pendant]

Like the one guy said wrong channel and you need survivors of the void, after you kill Mythrix head back to where you spawned and pet the glass frog 10 times

[signal lagoon]

judgement trials ifrits horn overlord tentacle or shell piece

[warm hemlock]

Ifrits horn
I would say its character dependent but for every character just take horn

[peak cedar]

I'm able to host a public lobby despite having character mods

Is anyone able to see or join my lobby while those are enabled?

I can't tell if no one can see the lobby or if it doesn't work cause almost no one is playing 😭

And is anyone working on a dropinmultiplayer mod for returns?

[boreal ermine]

the game will make sure players have the same asset list when connecting
generally public lobbies should not be relied up at all for mods

[dull oasis]

what does 'drown 20 Whorls' mean? does it mean push them off of the platforms on sunken tombs?

[valid finch]

yeah

[zealous cape]

So in sunken tombs you normally will drop to the bottom of the water and get teleported back, for enemies that means death, and that's how you drown 20 Whorls

I think the easiest character for that unlock is HAN-D

Or CHEF

They have a lot of knockback

[old pewter]

id say enforcer or hand

maybe miner too actually

[zealous cape]

true

maybe Miner is the best choice actually

[dense mural]

anyone know why in the log book some items are highlighted and some aren't i've never understood that

[fervent copper]

Like a glow around it?

[dense mural]

ye

[fervent copper]

That just means you haven’t read it’s log

[dense mural]

.> really

BRUH

[hard moss]

Why couldn't they just say "Push 20 Whorls Off The Edge" or smth because this entire time I've been wondering how to make a sea creature drown to death in a game where you can't drown

[zealous cape]

Well, I guess as creatures do die when they fall, it is drowning for them, so, it does make sense

[rose karma]

is there any way that I can fix this problem where my game slows down at random intervals

[quick spear]

i mean, get a better pc

that sounds like plain ol lag

[rose karma]

I wonder why my ror2 runs better than rorr then

[boreal ermine]

are you playing modded rorr

[keen atlas]

relatively new to returns, how lucky is it to get 2 reds from a chance shrinewithout it failing?

[urban hornet]

Very, 2 of the best in the game too

Blessed run

[trim raft]

gg run over

easy win

[keen atlas]

It was on command since I was trying to get chef

[trim raft]

☹️

[urban hornet]

Ah

[dapper comet]

is rorr a remake or a remaster or

rerelease

[tender gazelle]

remake

[dapper comet]

if I get returns is it worth to play 1 or

[tender gazelle]

na

[dapper comet]

is returns not on playstation lol

[boreal ermine]

not on any console platforms besides switch

[final crystal]

So does the beating embryo have no effect on the repair kit?

[urban hornet]

It may make the boost drones get last twice as long, though I’m not sure

[pseudo herald]

do 10 atg missiles mean 100% proc chance on hit?

[boreal ermine]

a few more but yes

[rigid stump]

anyone elses account get wiped or just mine

[urban hornet]

They stack like ror2 teddy bears? Meaning each one is less effective? Was it like that in ror1?

I mean not as detrimental to stack but I didn’t think there would be a drop off

[boreal ermine]

no atgs stack for +7% chance

their base chance is 10% but the stacking is +7%

[urban hornet]

Oh ppft I had no idea

It was always like that?

[boreal ermine]

errr i might be slightly mistaken

oops. yes. i am

yeah i am just stupid

...

[hexed bramble]

ur thinking of critglasses lol

[boreal ermine]

kills myself

im supposed to be the insane rorrhead how did i fail to remember this

[tender gazelle]

mk 2 is 7%

[boreal ermine]

that is right

[urban hornet]

The fact I immediately took your word proves this

[boreal ermine]

however i am also a massive idiot with memory problems so i really wouldn't trust me

[mental flame]

hey guys, so after pouring in about 200 hours into ror2 and unlocking practically everything there is, i decided to give ror returns a shot, and the one thing i'm currently struggling with like, a lot, is avoiding taking damage
how do you even do that given that it's a 2D game where really you can only go left or right, and shoot these two directions too
sometimes there's just so much bullshit on the screen where in ror2 i could just run around it thanks to the fact it's 3D, but in this game it sometimes feels basically impossible, especially during boss fight events when a million enemies spawn so i can't even begin to hit the boss cause there's just so much trash in the way, and i'm not fast enough to kite all that bullshit either, so if i've taken too much damage and have no real means of recovering health really quickly, it's like i'm done and there's nothing i can do by that point

tldr ror returns feels brutally difficult compared to ror2, and not in a good way, more like because it's 2D so it's so much more limiting for that

[fervent copper]

Jumping. I cannot stress this enough. Jumping is the best dodging mechanic in the game. Most attacks only hit the floor, so a well timed jump can dodge almost everything. Even some things that don’t look like they can be dodged. Magma worm bursting out of the ground? Jump. Ancient Wisp blasting the area with fire pillars? Jump. Parent about to smash your ass? Jump.

[old pewter]

jump to dodge

the skill floor is a fair bit higher, what difficulty are you on?

[mental flame]

i've played for about 20 hours and settled on monsoon cause i figured i'd rather learn it the hard way
thing is, i don't remember struggling half as much when i first played ror 2 monsoon, it felt like a fair challenge, while here it feels like the game hates you and wants you to die in the most miserable way possible

[old pewter]

oh yea i would defo not reccomend learning on monsoon

[mental flame]

jumping to dodge has to be good advice, i'll definitely consider it, but still, when there's like a thousand enemy horde approaching your way with magma worm bursting out the floor and you're also supposed to be killing all of that at the same time, it just feels impossible to both shoot and avoid damage

the character feels slow as a turtle when shooting

[old pewter]

its not impossible, just requires alot of experience

you can jump over the magma worm hurtbox completely btw :)

they are probs the easiest boss for that + explosive and piercing attacks just kill them

[mental flame]

yeah i'm super happy when i get lucky with items like something that gives piercing damage or healing on attacking, but with the lack of scrappers and printers, i kinda hate how you can't really manage your build in any way, you either get lucky or you don't

[old pewter]

most characters give you the tools to survive even if you cant thrive

tho you can get quite unlucky sometimes yea

trishops are nice tho

id defo recommend drizzle or rainstorm tho!

[mental flame]

yeah idk playing a lower difficulty after i've played so much ror2 monsoon kinda feels embarrassing

like surely it can't be that bad

[mental egret]

i have 700 hours playing monsoon/eclipse ror2 and my ass still gets kicked in monsoon rorr its alright lmao

[boreal ermine]

trust me it is

ror2 monsoon is nothing compared to rorr monsoon

harder game alongside time scaling that matters significantly more

this game isn't afraid to beat your ass

[mental flame]

so is the game just naturally that much harder?

[mental egret]

going from ror2 to returns is hard because in ror2 time matters way less but if you take too long in returns the planet will obliterate you

you gotta readjust how you play

[boreal ermine]

the game isn't too bad once you get the hang of basic dodging and planning, alongside learning stage layouts

but it is still alot more punishing of mostakes than ror2

[mental egret]

esp cause of the no printer scrapper thing

[boreal ermine]

not really

this game has no proc chains or coeffs

builds don't matter that much

[mental egret]

yeah but it makes it a lot harder to "save" a bad run

[mental flame]

so in this game, are you actually supposed to rush through the game as quickly as possible? cause in ror2 i know there used to be a lot of talk about a so called 5 minute rule and stuff, but in time people learned it was kinda bs and with a bunch of items you'd still outscale enemies by a long shot

not really the case in this game?

[mental egret]

the 5 minute rule in ror2 is bs and in rorr yes the time matters much more

i see a lot of people rush teleporter then get whatever items they can with the money they get from that

[boreal ermine]

rorr definitely wants you to be fast yes
around 5-7 minutes per stage is what i tend to shoot for

i tend to rush specifically stage 4 due to its cope potential

[mental egret]

i usually try to take 3 minutes and by 5 minutes im trying my best to just gtfo

[old pewter]

im about 7 mins per stage

[mental flame]

damn that's bad news, cause navigation is also much harder in this game because it's 2D and you can't really look around to see if there's something worth going for over there, etc.
at least not in the same way you could in a 3D game

[mental egret]

theres settings so you can zoom out and have a bigger view

[old pewter]

that comes with experience, you tend to learn where loot is and isnt

[mental egret]

and again learning stage layout

[mental flame]

so do chests have like fixed spawning points in rorr? no random in that?

[old pewter]

theres some spots they always spawn, but idk i just got a feel for it

[mental egret]

there are certain spots in maps with fixed spawn points

[boreal ermine]

they're mostly random

just like ror2

don't worry or think about fixed locations until you notice them yourself

[mental flame]

like i just got this lucky with the teleporter spawn and i simply can't image taking on the boss on such a narrow platform where i'm supposed to both jump to dodge and attack, like it just seems like a freaking nightmare and nothing like what i've seen in ror2

i did ultimately manage to take it down, but the point is that every run feels like a cope run in this game after ror2, lol

so much ridiculous detouring i'm basically forced to do just to be able to squeeze in a couple of seconds of shooting at the boss, and then back to kiting a freaking horde for another couple of minutes

[old pewter]

the game is harder yea

[pseudo herald]

patience

[urban hornet]

Do cognition ghosts count as elites themselves? I’m pretty sure the macrobic jumpy ball I just killed was not elite, but then I killed the ghost and my clover proc’d and it dropped an item.

[boreal ermine]

yeah they're elites

[urban hornet]

Cool thanks

[warm hemlock]

Ok I know this might contradict what a lot of people have said
But don't overestimate time in this game

Full looting is still the preferred strat no matter which risk of rain game you play, mind you

Also once the teleporter is fully charged enemies no longer spawn

[mental flame]

so is there still like a general rule of thumb as to how long you should take in this game or?

[warm hemlock]

Which in some cases waiting for the teleporter to fully charge and then killing the boss is a much better strat (cremators notably)

[mental flame]

like how in ror2 spending over 10 minutes per stage is proooobably too much

[warm hemlock]

I don't typically have a rule of thumb for time in either of the games

The only rule that's slightly different is that sometimes I skip on chance shrines a lot more

As they ramp up MUCH faster than in 2

[mental flame]

and it also seemed to me like the proc chance is much lower? or maybe i've been unlucky

[warm hemlock]

You either proc items or you don't
Most skills proc items but most items don't with a handful of exceptions

[mental flame]

oh nono, i meant the shrines ahah

like the chance for it to give an item

[warm hemlock]

I don't quite know if its lower

[abstract breach]

Will the game ever update?

[boreal ermine]

most likely not

[runic magnet]

Does anyone know why my fps tanks every time I move my mouse

[final crystal]

Drones share in their owner's invincibility?

[boreal ermine]

yes

[final crystal]

Are there any exceptions to this rule?

[boreal ermine]

nope

[final crystal]

Shield Generator?

[boreal ermine]

they inherit shield generator immunity

ANYTHING that makes your hp bar show some variation of "INVINCIBLE" counts

[final crystal]

May someone please add that to the wiki? (And update the shield generator page because it says otherwise)

Any other item interactions with drones?
I know about on kill effects but what about on hit effects?

[boreal ermine]

drones never get your on-hit effects

but arms race does give drones a chance to fire mortars and missiles when they hit

[final crystal]

So they inherit on kills and invincibility

[boreal ermine]

yep

[runic fox]

Iirc on-kill effects that buff you don't buff drones, just the player that owns them, so that's something to note as well.

[boreal ermine]

drone kills are attributed to their owner yes

[mental flame]

okay so following this, i've been playing a bit more tryna get better at the game, and so far i've only been successful with huntress, cause compared to other survivors it's relatively easy to kite with her cause she doesn't slow down when she shoots and also the alternative M2 is kinda insane for kiting too, especially if you get lucky with mags
but unfortunately i still cannot fathom kiting as any other class in this game. like if i pick commando for example, and i don't get extremely lucky with items, by stage 4 i just can't deal with hordes of enemies for the life of me, cause i can't both shoot and run, and when running i barely outrun enemies, so i can't even dare think to shoot cause then i'll get instantly overwhelmed and get a big chunk of my hp bit off
i did try to jump more and while, sure, it does help to avoid damage, it doesn't really help when there's like thousands of enemies during the boss event swarming all over and they obviously don't attack in unison so constantly jumping only helps avoid some attacks, but not all of them, so eventually my hp will drop to 0 even if i autojump 24/7. and to think that all this time i'm also supposed to be finding windows to deal damage
feels like an absolute ridiculous nightmare
or is commando just as bad as he is in ror2?

genuinely tryna have fun in this game, but so far it's felt like all i do is deal pitiful damage most runs trying to shoot through the cumulative hp of like one billion during boss events, and it's just not fun, rather tedious and boring
i do realize it must be skill issue, but i seriously didn't expect such a major difference in the core gameplay loop compared to ror2

[fervent copper]

Ya know you can shoot while in the air right? From what it sounds like you aren’t doing that. Also, in terms of other ways to dodge, you don’t need to focus on doing damage, instead, try to use your environment to your advantage. If a massive horde of enemies is following you try climbing a rope. Only a small number of enemies can climb. You can also use small ledges to prevent certain non-jumping enemies from getting to you.

Commando is ok in this game. He isn’t as mid as ror2 Mando is but he isn’t spectacular

[livid garden]

when you're being chased down as commando try to only use your secondary, until you get to a safer spot for your other abilities. take advantage of roll's i-frames too

[urban hornet]

Jumping backwards and then shooting mid air removes the low speed you normally get when moving while firing. Works extra good with jetpacks and feathers. Keep chaining those together, along with (default) 2nd and (default) 4th abilities whenever it’s off cooldown and not many things should be able to get to you.

I haven’t bothered with auto jump but it kinda seems like a weird choice for this game, I always wanna be able to choose when I’m jumping not have it up to chance if I’m gonna dodge something.

[blissful grove]

Will returns ever come to console. Or will I have to purchase an entirely different device just to play an entry in the series

Am I just better off getting regular risk of rain

[boreal ermine]

returns will likely never be on console platforms other than switch

[uneven mantle]

Anyone know if returns works on switch 2?

[old pewter]

it would do yea

[livid garden]

auto jump is very useful in certain cases

[mental flame]

Jumping backwards and then shooting mid air removes the low speed you normally get when moving while firing

do you mean i'm supposed to be holding A or D at all times as i jump and shoot, or do i just press and let go? cause in the former case, you do get slowed down if you jump backwards, though if you jump forward and shoot you indeed don't get slowed down, but it's irrelevant for the topic of kiting anyway
if you mean i press jump and let go while i'm shooting, it means i stop midair so i'm no longer moving so the enemies get to me just as quickly

[old pewter]

hold

:)

[old pewter]

auto jump just makes you repeatedly jump while holding space btw, its not like ledge detection

[urban hornet]

only definitive advantage for auto jump i can think of is han-d blast drone movement tech

[old pewter]

it simplifies inputs

[urban hornet]

unlike minecraft lol

[old pewter]

also particularly good with pilot wavedash

however both can be done manually ofc

[urban hornet]

yah

[mental flame]

yeah then there's just no difference unfortunately, you're just as slow during backwards jumping and firing

only works for jumping forward

[old pewter]

i didnt think it worked

wait maybe they mean taking a single shot in the air?

[urban hornet]

Yes

[mental flame]

i don't suppose so, a single shot as commando is a little more than nothing

[urban hornet]

Jump, then shoot so there’s no movement decrease, fall to ground, reset

It adds up

[mental flame]

just tried that, if you jump backward and hold the moving button and only take one shot, you instantly get stopped midair

so the slowdown is still there

[urban hornet]

Huh, my fault idk then

[iron dome]

is there a skin for robomando
for judgement??

[boreal ermine]

nope

the assets for one exist in the files but you can't get it in-game

[iron dome]

[civic rock]

robomando will never be a real survivor.

[iron dome]

you

[civic rock]

Me?

[iron dome]

yes you

watch your tongue

[civic rock]

gulp

I'm sorry mister

[crystal hazel]

i have a single question for this game, is it similar to dead cells in any way? because i love ror2 and metrovania kind of games, because i was thinking of getting it

[tender gazelle]

it is not very similar to dead cells

from my outsider knowledge of the game anyways

i think it sorta starts and ends at them being sidescrolling roguelikes

[crystal hazel]

good enough

[tender gazelle]

i heard that dead cells has metroidvania elements (i don't know how true that is) but this game doesn't really have those

[old pewter]

not really, but it peaks so hard it doesnt matter

[crystal hazel]

It’s been about an hour and I beat the game once

I got so dang lucky

[valid finch]

Was it with huntress

[fervent copper]

It does. You get special runes that give you new abilities the more you play

[urban hornet]

its not really exploration based though the game just arbitrarily decides when you get them

lame

from what i gathered anyway, which, even if its not like that, i shouldnt think it is

the act of full looting a stage vs time in the reward doors are somewhat similar though so if that balance seems fun then yeah

[fervent copper]

it's exploration based. only certain locales have certain runes

[urban hornet]

ah. maybe i just kept going on dlc paths and was missing the core routes that give those mechanics

[final crystal]

Has the scorching shell been fixed?

[boreal ermine]

no

[carmine ember]

what doe the strange creature look like [im curious cause the wiki doesnt show it]

[tender gazelle]

little weird cell guy

[final crystal]

So has the items of the Cognation guardian been decoded?

[tender gazelle]

isn't it on the wiki

[turbid vector]

Desecrated Golem has Barbed Wire, Panic Mines, and Medkit. Does not say the amount of each.

[crystal hazel]

Stopped looking here after I was getting in a good run, but no it was with commando, I didn’t even unlock bandit before I beat the game in the same run

[mental flame]

after about 70 hours into the game, i'm still tryna figure out the most optimal pacing to this game, can somebody tale a look and tell me if it's a normal amount of items to time spent ratio or did i possibly take too long?

the game is still extremely hard to play on monsoon, and the problem that i'm facing is that if i try to speedrun my way through it, i end up with so little items i just can't kill anything, the enemies simply outscale me insanely
if i do take my time and collect more items, it seems like the enemies still end up outscaling me and i still deal too little damage cause by the time i get to stage 4 i can no longer kill anything as fast as i could a couple stages ago

i know that at some point it's more about kiting enemies rather than clearing out the map, but shit like this feels downright ridiculous

i'm barely dealing any damage, a bunch of flying bulletsponge enemies spawn so fast i cannot possibly keep up, so at some point it's borderline impossible to kite even if all i do is jump 24/7 and occasionally press commando's second skill once it's off cooldown

there's still too much flying projectiles and whatnot that it makes it unrealistic to just run around and jump, and killing so many enemies would take forever anyway

so i guess my ultimate question is, is this the intended gameplay in rorr? like when late game you no longer deal adequate damage so you activate the portal and run around like an idiot cause you can't conventionally kill enemies anymore so you try to kill the boss as quickly as possible and then you proceed?

because it genuinely feels ridiculous after ror2 and i can't believe that this is how you're supposed to go about your monsoon runs

[final crystal]

Speedrunning

[mental flame]

so do items matter very little? in the grand scheme of things

like you are not supposed to outscale enemies with items, you should just get to providence as quickly as humanly possible cause that will yield as little enemy scaling as you can expect?

[final crystal]

It is about finding a balance between looting and speeding

[mental flame]

i only took about 6 minutes per stage there

was that not fast enough?

i was stage 4 approximately by 23 minute mark

and i believe the amount of items i had there was adequate to the pace

and i still dealt very little damage to anything by that point

i don't understand why this is happening

i've beaten the game on monsoon as huntress, but it feels like it was only because huntress is a goddamn kite machine

you can just hold m1 while kiting and see everything die eventually

and as commando i can only tickle enemies with my m2's sometimes, i can't just stop and shoot, not in late game

i'll get fucking obliterated in 2 seconds

so yeah i pretty much can't figure out what i'm supposed to do and why the optimal gameplay is so unintuitive

[fervent copper]

I believe your issue lies in the fact that you’re playing on monsoon. This game does not hold back, monsoon will kick your ass if you aren’t already very experienced with the gameplay flow, so if you are struggling to find a balance between looting and speed, take the difficulty down a peg.