ror-wiki-discussion

[placid salmon]

holy smokes that's THICC

[past terrace]

Do you have any bug fix mods installed? I know some of them fix this bug, and I'm getting different results when testing

[pearl thorn]

true I didn't even think of it, lemme redo withotu wolfo qol and misc fixes

and seekerspatcher for that matter

yeah, false alarm, sorry there

[past terrace]

np, everyone makes mistakes sometimes
and it's always appreciated to have more people testing things out

[verbal compass]

It means they are forbidden as bosses, hope this helps!

Maybe its a new thing idk

I remember way before AC i got a scav as a tp boss as well as golems

Never got them since

[idle stone]

Pretty sure it can still happen but it is rare.

Stone Golem Horde of Manys were at one point very common in an update in early access to Hopoo added them to a blacklist to prevent them from being selected, but seemingly the blacklist didn't do much to prevent them from appearing.

[verbal compass]

I only ever got them once post loop

[past terrace]

From the line where it says "as the code also checks if they are champion, only scavengers are actually affected" I'm assuming it means like. They can't spawn as the tp boss itself (unless there's no other option). The TP boss can be horde of many, and that horde of many can contain them, but they can't be the boss, like stone titan can

That's how I'm reading that line anyway, I don't know if it's actually correct or not

[shut hill]

we actually talked about this a few days ago! i think the conclusion reached was that it means that they're incredibly low priority for tp boss, but the game only applies this modifier to enemies that are considered champions. gups, stone golems and void barnacles aren't champions, so all it really does is prevent scavs from being the teleporter boss until the director gets too hopped up on credits to spawn anything else

[still shuttle]

oh hey

[dreamy nimbus]

I was reading through the wiki page for some of the void creatures and wanted to note a couple things.
First, the Void Barnacle page has a small issue with the lore:
the 1st sentence reads
> Automated report 2c150f1430ad6430161e4 is now available from site record 108gnasnoⒾ45.
but the game shows > Automated report 2c150f1430ad6430161e4 is now available from site record 108gnasnou24be45.
(note the Ⓘ symbol on the wiki) guessing this has something to do with how the random hex string is interpreted?

Anyway second thing I wanted to note is less of an issue and more of something I wanted to ask about. The Void Jailer page claims that the line deep, deeper, yet deeper may be a reference to a line of dialogue from undertale, specifically the line DARK DARKER YET DARKER from entry number 17 in the true lab.
I wanted to ask if this has any basis? Like have the developers ever mentioned something about it? it seems like one hell of a stretch to me, especially considering that this line was never in the game to begin with, the undertale wiki claims it to be an unused line.

[primal yarrow]

"DARKER DARKER YET DARKER" is an unused line in undertale, but it is unconfirmed whether it is canon or not, but some other things in the game files are so it is presumed canon. The original entry in the code is written in wingdings, just translated for convenience. The line "deep, deeper, yet deeper" is most likely in reference because 1. Undertale is a very popular game, and 2. The way the line is formatted exactly like the start of Entry 17 is a hell of a coincidence if not

[dreamy nimbus]

It would be really cool if true, but it still seems a little much of a stretch to be listed on the wiki to me...
I'm not opposed to it being here, but was hoping there was more substantial evidence for the connection

[primal yarrow]

Deep is also just a very similarly used word like dark, starting with D and being 4 letters, and being turned into deeper

[heady inlet]

In interviews and here on the Discord, the Hopoo team has very rarely talked about their inspirations and stuff taken from other media

[primal yarrow]

I think that the log was being written and the log writer just went, "oh my god i can throw an undertale reference in here"

Wing Gaster was shattered through time and space, and a part of him was sent to the void

Wing Gaster is Voidling Theory?!1!1?1!

[dreamy nimbus]

lol, yeah guess someone on the team might have been a major undertale enjoyer

[primal yarrow]

Anyways look at what happened to Patrick Orfive

Killed by Joe Vidence

I think the Void Barnacle thing is just an accidental text string misinterprentation

[dreamy nimbus]

I'm going to seem a little mean, but I think that may be false. For someone claimed to be famous, they have 0 results on google...

[primal yarrow]

Replacing part of the text with that symbol

[primal yarrow]

lad, sound out patrick orfive

[dreamy nimbus]

do you know how to fix this? when I try to edit the page it seems to reference some other document like this:

{{Lore}}```

[primal yarrow]

Hmmm

Id have no idea tbh

[dreamy nimbus]

I'm feeling silly right now, but can't seem to figure out. English is not my first language :/

[primal yarrow]

Ah i see

Patrick Orfive -> Petrich Or Five -> Petrichor V

And then Joe Vidence is Providence

Its a big play on words

[dreamy nimbus]

lmao yeah fair enough

can't believe they got my boi Patrick like that

[granite flax]

i swear "deeper yet deeper" is just a turn of phrase

[glass storm]

it is but the specific phrasing is questionable i think

especially since looking up the phrase on google just gives you the logbook again 😭

[granite flax]

i dont think theres any harm in claiming a reference, really

[dreamy nimbus]

btw, do you happen to know how to fix the issue I outlined regarding the lore section on the void barnacle page (I also found a similar issue on the Titanic Knurl page)

[granite flax]

not off the top of my head... you might be able to remove formatting from the word but that might have other unintended consequences, if its even possible

[dreamy nimbus]

When I tried editing, I just got this. It seems to inject the text from another source, and I'm unsure how I would go about changing that

[granite flax]

its on its own page somewhere i Think

[dreamy nimbus]

I'm having a hard time finding the seperate page for the lore document. I found the page containing all the lore docs, and even the code that generates the lore segments...

It's not very important to fix, but it would give me peace lol

[past terrace]

Go down to the bottom, it should say "templates used on this page", you want "Module:Lore/Data"

Ran into the same issue a bit ago trying to update the skill descriptions for drifter lol

[dreamy nimbus]

Found it! thanks a ton.
I'll try to fix the issues, will have to be careful since this data file contains all the lore for the wiki

[past terrace]

Also i think there are two identical entries for void barnacle lol

[dreamy nimbus]

hmm, yeah looks like it's listed twice...

Should I delete it?

(the duplicate I mean)

Alright, so quick update, the original lore files seem fine
Looks to me like I'm either looking at the wrong file, or something goes wrong in the process of displaying the raw text on the specific pages...

Maybe we can use some kind of special characters to tell the page to display the source as-is.
Like, I think in HTML, you can use the \ character to indicate to the interpreter to display the next character without markup...

[past terrace]

It would probably be fine to delete but I go by the age-old rule of "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
And yeah there's probably a way to tell it to do that but idk what it'd be here

[dreamy nimbus]

as a programmer, wholeheartedly agree with you there.
Unlike the actual wiki pages, I can't seem to preview the changes before pushing them, so I think it may be wise to wait for someone more experienced to look into it...

[plain musk]

How does the Neutronium Weight interact with the Noxious Thorn? It's not listed on ethier the debuffs it can or cannot spread

[shut hill]

i would assume neutronium weight can't spread because it's tied to whoever's holding the item

so if it could be spread it'd create more copies of the item, which would give you infinite pearl generation if you ever found a cleansing pool

[plain musk]

Probably yeah

[odd lodge]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Movement_Speed need updating

[past terrace]

Don't have the time to test/fix this rn so putting it here to either remind me to do it later (or for someone else to do, if you feel like it) but I don't think this is correct? I think the max distance you can teleport is increased with your movement speed and can definitely get higher than that, although this might be the max with no move speed?
Will test later

[marble slate]

it does increase based on movement speed, its just that the max is 35?

then again testing could be used yeah

[past terrace]

no like

it's definitely higher than 35

anyway took care of it 👍

[marble slate]

100100 goat hoofs

is there a formula thats being used for the calculation of the range?

[past terrace]

Yeah it was a super lucky run trust

[past terrace]

Idk probably but it'd be a lot of work to figure that out without just looking at the code so I'm not gonna bother

[marble slate]

hmmm okay

[odd lodge]

:o

sunken tomb,,, singular ,,,

[placid salmon]

What is that

[odd lodge]

a picture of the kickstarter backer guidebook thing

from in ror1cord a few days back

[placid salmon]

Funky

[willow lion]

Ror1 valentines card???!

[proper mantle]

ror1 captain pin???!

[placid salmon]

It's the equip yeah

[heady inlet]

Wait! The found it?? That thing need to be digitalized, Please

[odd lodge]

theres 2 pics of it in ror1cord, idk the source

[heady inlet]

Maybe i should get into the discord and try to find the person and beg

[abstract blade]

<@&559786374228738069>

[placid salmon]

!ban @scenic oyster scam

[naive rivet]

Probably still maintenance or something, gotta do it manually haha

[placid salmon]

Yep

[timber salmon]

yo, i'm new to the server

also how does quality stack with recycler?

and is there like a wiki page or something for quality?

[odd lodge]

quality is a mod so no

[timber salmon]

darn

[odd lodge]

idk about the other question

[timber salmon]

k

is there like a channel for mods?

[odd lodge]

#ror2-modding

[past terrace]

someone was talking about making a fall damage article, was doing some testing to respond to a question and got that fall damage is about equal to 1.65 * (your speed-30), or 3.3 on eclipse 3/frailty

if anyone wants to chuck that in the wiki somewhere

[placid salmon]

That definitely needs some sort of visual reference, like a number of golems or commandos high = fall damage

[past terrace]

sure but thats easy enough to find if someone wants to
also fall damage isnt directly connected to the height you fall from, just your vertical speed when hitting the ground

[still shuttle]

I think a visual indicator would stil be good, because the situations where you fall faster than normal isn't really all that often?

Physics shenanigans makes it happen sometimes certainly

But its not tooo often

[odd lodge]

ehh

distance is hard to gauge even if it was really useful imo

[scenic grotto]

in the lore page, all entries below freeze drone are italicized i assume by mistake

[cerulean sequoia]

fucking freeze drone

i told him a million times not to do that

im denying his pto

[odd lodge]

that should say rubbed

[past terrace]

Yeah we were talking about that earlier but we don't know how to fix it

[past terrace]

Up here

[odd lodge]

theres sometiing funky going on

[past terrace]

Yeah it thinks it's a unicode symbol

And idk how to tell the code to just do it as plain text

Could probably figure it out but that would require doing trial and error on the page containing every lore entry in the game so i figured I'd leave it to someone who actually knows how to code

[cerulean sequoia]

are we sure thats not just a typo

[odd lodge]

yeah

the logbook data page is normal

[steady totem]

Hi, I noticed that Verdant falls isn't linked in the Contact Light page as in-game presence

The ship in verdant falls is part of the CL since Garret and Kelvin (the guys in the logs) are the ones present in CHEF logbook and we know CHEF has been on the planet "for years" (according to the dev diaries and steam page of sots, even if years is more like a year and a half)

A slight nitpick but I thought it was important to note it ^^

[odd lodge]

added o7

[cerulean sequoia]

Uhhhmmmm....

[odd lodge]

um what

why is there even a dead link to a ues page

[odd lodge]

guh?

[cerulean sequoia]

thats the symbol in the titanic knurl page

[odd lodge]

yeah

so maybe it is vandalism

but not on the lore data page if so

[cerulean sequoia]

it doesnt seem to be a unicode symbol

oh hey, here's a hint

ruBBED

pretty sure the wiki runs on javascript too

[steady totem]

youre the GOAT :3

[cerulean sequoia]

the void barnacle symbol is \u24BE

which lines up with what is in lore/data

Uhhhmmm,,,

i believe the code is either hallucinating a \ there, or theres a formatting error somewhere in the lore

since a lotta formatting uses \

[odd lodge]

yeahhh theres lots to go wrong

[cerulean sequoia]

ill take a better look once im on pc

[past terrace]

We don't know they were on the contact light, there was another mission, the one rex was from, only referred to as UES [Redacted]. CHEF and the people associated with him could've been on either one
Imo they were on the redacted mission, as they were actively planning on landing, and mentioned having a xenobiologist on board who liked plants, which lines up much better with REX's situation than the contact light

[steady totem]

That wouldnt make CHEF stay ''years'' on the planet, it wouldnt make sense with the timelime and would require the [Redacted] mission to arrive basically days after the CL crashes wish is highly unlikely

[past terrace]

Or the redacted mission arrived before, in which case it makes more sense

[steady totem]

theres no evidence supporting it but #theorycrafting would be a better place to discuss this

[past terrace]

There's also no evidence supporting your theory, either. The point is it's not confirmed, so it shouldn't be listed there

[steady totem]

There are official declarations of CHEF being present for ''years'' on the planet, the two same guys being on chef log and on Verdant Falls log and if there was a mission before the CL then it would imply a lot of really stupid decisions from the UESC that make realistically 0 sense, so the only logical way that CHEF could be ''years'' on the planet or close two 2 years if it he was one of the CHEF bots from the Contact Light

[past terrace]

It's a redacted mission, it's possible the people on the CL simply didn't know about it. Also, like you said, him being from the comtact light wouldn't put him on the planet for years, it'd be less than 2, while the redacted mission not only could've been years ago, but also fits the bill better, as the two guys mentioned scientists members of the crew and the redacted mission was a scientific one, while the contact light was a cargo ship

[steady totem]

still the closest and even if the people from the contact light doesnt know about Petrichor V the UES high ranks should know and then knowing about the danger and still sending the biggest amazon space ship they have, full of valuable cargo and civilians is extremely dumb, even if you want to view it from the greediest corporate point of view

[past terrace]

They didn't send them to petrichor V, it was an unplanned fetoy

*detour

[steady totem]

There was detour request

you would need approvals for something like that, also the teleporters were on the CL along with Xenoarcheologist, it was'nt a spur of the moment decision

[odd lodge]

yeah thats in the sirens log

[past terrace]

You're contradicting yourself now, if it wasn't a spur of the moment decision, that would mean they had to have known about petrichor V prior to this, but your sole reasoning for why the redacted mission is the claim that they didn't know about petrichor v prior to this. You can't have it both ways.
Anyway I'm a bit busy right now so we can continue this later in #theorycrafting

[steady totem]

feel free to ping me whenever you want to continue this discussion

[odd lodge]

another logbook oddity (date)

[still shuttle]

Do you mean the slash at the end or it being M\D\Y

I assume the former?

[placid salmon]

It's definitely the slash

[scenic grotto]

dmark is just quirked up like that

idk why, but thats just how its formatted ingame

[still shuttle]

Cant be too certain, maybe fox has a deep hatred for month day year you just don't know

[placid salmon]

While a valid hatred, irrelevant to the wiki quality

[still shuttle]

He could just be pushing the agenda i dunno

[odd lodge]

its a bit of both really