ror-wiki-discussion

[stuck saffron]

Not sure what that parameter is about, is there time based scaling and stage based scaling?

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Commando#Skills trying the new template, need some feedback (cooldowns are not showing up for some reason, trying to fix it lol)

first thing I'm seeing is, these lines are really distracting I need to tone them down somehow

maybe limit them to the length of the skill box

also, need to display skill boxes side by side on larger screens I think

there we go cooldowns are fixed

lmk what you all think

[grave rose]

tactical slide animation has horizontal scrolling with commando completely off screen by default

[stuck saffron]

gif complaints should go to @void flume, I'm looking for feedback on the display of the skills on the page

[grave rose]

if you open animation and then close it again the top of the gif is still there

but idk if that's fixable

[stuck saffron]

that's very strange wow

probably an issue with the plugin that makes tabs though

[stuck saffron]

ah wait I see the issue you're right

that's on me

some of these gifs are wiiiide

fixed if you CTRL+F5

[stuck saffron]

what browser are you using?

[grave rose]

firefox

[stuck saffron]

oh wow yeah this is fucked on firefox

damn

that sucks 😦

[paper valley]

okay i dont remember the enemy page lookin' like this

[stuck saffron]

we've been working

[paper valley]

I can tell. Must've been working HARD because this looks amazing.

[stuck saffron]

thx it took a while

https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-extensions-TabberNeue/issues/38 yup known issue of the extension

weirdly, a "fix" would be to have the "details" section filled out for every skill, and then the top of the gif would not show up

[spiral moat]

Only verified Time scaling, and since there is time scaling and you get different amount of gold each stage making teleporting to stage time vary some haven't really wanted to test stage scaling. Also haven't personally looked at code, just going off intuition and what I've read in this discord.

That being said I just have to do run to sunken, note time I teleport, drone first crab, reset and wait till time to teleport and Drone first crab.

[stuck saffron]

still taking feedback if anyone's seeing this

[modern stream]

Chasing Shadows?

I was gonna say it doesnt look like Nemforcer, but I can see the resemblance in the SS1 sprite bar the gold armor

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:SkillLink got this done with tooltips in case anyone wants to redo all the trials links lol

[stuck saffron]

fixed, ty

[modern stream]

Np

[past stratus]

Do you think cooldowns should show on abilities that don't have one innately?

By that, I mean primaries, but not sure if there are other skills like that.

[stuck saffron]

idk, but yeah 0s CD looks a bit awkward

[past stratus]

My bad, I didn't mean to ask that.

It shouldn't be there.

[stuck saffron]

so not a question, an affirmation lol

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

alright, removed from skill boxes and tooltips

other changes will have to wait until tomorrow, my eyes are closing by themselves

[past stratus]

No idea what you mean, I just had my breakfast recently.

[stuck saffron]

how the fuck do you function like this while living in europe

Btw skills should look good on mobile also

Only glaring issue I see is that the gif sticks out of the tabs if you're using Firefox but I can't fix it

Soft "fix" is to have details on every skill

[past stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-risk-of-rain-ror-ror2-skill-issue-gif-25665859

No idea!

[cold shore]

it just works

[stuck saffron]

red whip and goat hoof are just flat movement increases

[granite flax]

just be glad that red whip stacks now

[stuck saffron]

hey @void flume, any clue when you're gonna finish these skill gifs?

kinda love having them under the skills ngl

[void flume]

Ah I was waiting for the template to be in use before carrying on, just in case the gifs ended up not being used

[stuck saffron]

aah, gotcha

well I think the template is fine now

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Commando#Skills

[void flume]

Looks great! Nice to see the skills actually given some flair, the boxes were a rough sight

I'll get to some new gifs once I'm free of this doom infinite run

[stuck saffron]

yeah no pressure

[odd lodge]

should these be swapped, anointed seems way more probable reference

ehh ill keep asking devs when they appear until i find out

[sinful storm]

wiki gods I request your testing aid
would you be so kind to test if wicked ring proc can animation cancel chefs alt primary but only if youre tapping the button constantly rather than holding it

[stuck saffron]

it doesn't have a cooldown to reduce

the only limiting factor is the animation speed, which is increased by attack speed

[sinful storm]

Thats what I thought but playing with it it seemed to interact weirdly

No attack speed or anything, just wicked ring and whenever I'd crit while tapping, it would instantly attack again post crit

Unfortunately I never got far in that run to see it in full action but it did feel like it DID reduce the nonexistant cooldown

only while mashing the button though

[stuck saffron]

not noticing anything weird, sorry

[sinful storm]

how is that not weird though

you have no attack speed yet he slashes way faster than he would

he attacks way way slower normally

[stuck saffron]

nah, he attacks very fast if you mash

[sinful storm]

not in my game

unless there was like a patch 2 days ago or smth

[stuck saffron]

ah wait

I have 100 stacks of primary

lemme see

it does have a small cooldown yeah

[stuck saffron]

yeah you're right

[sinful storm]

so it does reset itself

[granite flax]

man i really need to give the trivia sections a pass over

[stuck saffron]

there you go, proof

sorry, was testing with a hundred stacks of primary so I wasn't getting any cooldowns

probably has like a 0.5s cooldown or something? can't know for sure

[stuck saffron]

please lol

btw if someone with more time and courage than me wants to edit Trial Pages with this: https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:SkillLink

that'd be swell

[old summit]

ill start working on it

ah we are missing chefs alt primary in the module

[stuck saffron]

oh true, I'll add it

thx

[old summit]

the first trial i went to do

[stuck saffron]

added it, try now?

[stuck saffron]

I think that's the only skill I missed, too

[old summit]

ye its good

[sinful storm]

Thank you you are wonderful and not just for this but all other wiki related things, other ppl too

[cold shore]

obligatory thanks for the wiki people, you are all wonderful

[sinful storm]

ya

[stuck saffron]

@old summit can you also replace the skills in the loadout part of the infobox? I feel like that would be useful for ppl who don't know the skill icons, they can just hover over them

[old summit]

true true

[grave rose]

here's what I'm thinking: make the skills in the infobox and body text links, make the second mention of the survivor colored text instead of a link and maybe separate the fail/gold conditions cliche at the end into 2 sentences. was meaning to touch up the older pages anyway so I'm going to start working on this too

[modern stream]

If its not inconvienient
Could this be tested on Engi's default primary?
I noticed in a late game engi run (before having unlocked Predetory Instincts) that my attacks speed was being increased to an insane degree when hitting an enemy
I did have max crit wicked ring (and 4 heaven crackers but that can be tested seperately)
It applied to my sentries too

[stuck saffron]

the skills will be actual links thx to the template I'm asking ppl to use

they just need to be updated on every page

[grave rose]

yeah that's what I meant

[stuck saffron]

aah you were saying what you were about to do, read that wrong

thx!

[stuck saffron]

tbh I think the wicked ring interaction applies to every primary with a slight delay between attacks

but I can test it

yup

[modern stream]

Tysm, saw it and was just curious as to what caused the interaction
Im pretty sure its the same idea for the sentries 3 shot burst, which has a delay

[stuck saffron]

they don't seem to be affected? or is that delay longer usually

[modern stream]

Seems like how it usually is
Thats odd then

[stuck saffron]

hey @grave rose don't forget to put imgSize=32 in the template, looks a bit a small otherwise

for the loadout part in the infobox I mean

[old summit]

oop flamethrower is using nanobomb picture

[stuck saffron]

yeah I've seen a bunch of picture issues woops

will fix!

[old summit]

ill call them out if i spot them

[stuck saffron]

ty

[old summit]

ive done up to bullseye but im out for the night

[stuck saffron]

thx a lot, bye!

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Huntress#Skills Huntress' skills section rework is done!

[keen mulch]

That looks so good

Are you a wizard?

[stuck saffron]

all of my spells are CSS properties

[void flume]

My doom run met its end at a slow crusher, so now Miner is on my docket

[stuck saffron]

was wondering why CHEF's skills weren't getting colored

what the hell does it do this only for chef

uppercase/lowercase issues, weird

[grave rose]

can skillLink do the multiplayer drone primary

mostly for that one drone trial

[stuck saffron]

what would it link to though 🤔

but yeah I can add it

just need to check its details cause I have no idea

[grave rose]

maybe a separate page on multiplayer content/changes?

[stuck saffron]

should work now, links to "multiplayer drone" for now

[grave rose]

ok so this should be about half of the trials done, I'll get around to doing the rest tomorrow

[void flume]

Miner is now in the database, as well

[stuck saffron]

nice

[void flume]

And now Sniper, as well

[stuck saffron]

I'm doing some more testing while editing the survivor skill pages

standoff's description is just very wrong

so weird

huh

ancient scepter on standoff turns it into the scepter version of lights out

only happens in trials ok weird

but it means I can't test alt specials' scepter versions

finished bandit's skills, but it's made me realize I need to go back and test the scepter versions of all the special skills

but I can't do the alts

[sinful storm]

do we have numbers on how much dmg protect and serve does? i feel its 200% or close

[swift plinth]

210

[sinful storm]

makes sense

i was comparing the numbers to disperse when I was playing

and it seemd close to 200%

[swift plinth]

It's the same as shield slam IIRC

[stuck saffron]

it's on the wiki 😄

[sinful storm]

epik

sorry I had a brain dmg moment and instead of checking wiki first Iasked first

[spiral willow]

whos in charge of the wiki

[spring storm]

gummy i think

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax is in charge

why?

[spiral willow]

I just wanted to give my personal gratitude towards their work and any others who contributed to the pages. Your work does not go unnoticed and on the off chance you see this message, I jus want you to know how thankful I am @granite flax

[shadow tusk]

Danger Orbits is still considered complete if the explosion of the sun after you die brings the total kills to more than 50. I was pretty bad this one and I onlyu got it becasue of this.

[stuck saffron]

1K edits when

[odd lodge]

retropacifist is awesome

yall other contributors are also awesome

[runic pilot]

is this some sort of testing ground trial?

[stuck saffron]

yeah, we can setup custom trials, and we made this to test stuff in

[runic pilot]

how does one get that kind of custom trial?

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax Hive Cluster #3

[stuck saffron]

need to edit the main.trials file in your data/trials folder

personally I added this to the top #ror-wiki-discussion message

and then edited the trials.layout file to add the trial in the named "test" to the trials grid

the version of the file I sent is a bit outdated but it has the essentials I think

[runic pilot]

okay, thank you!

[stuck saffron]

no problem! at some point I might make a guide for this lol

[spring storm]

prob should just put it somewhere on github

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax Dried Lake #3 Artifact

[stuck saffron]

true

[elfin spire]

will the old sprites you see at the end of the credits be shown on the wiki?

not all of them i mean like the character specific ones

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax Ancient Valley #3 Log

[stuck saffron]

I don't think so? but we could add them in each survivor page's gallery maybe

[elfin spire]

that would be nice to see

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax Magma Barracks Log

tell me if I shouldn't tag you btw

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax Sky Meadow Log #5

[old summit]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Routine_Maintenance are the skill boxes missing the pics for other people on this?

[stuck saffron]

Oh, I'm guessing the dash is messing it up

I'm off to sleep for now but I'll fix it when I wake up

[old summit]

cool cool ill keep going then

[stuck saffron]

That'll probably happen to every HAN-D trial

[old summit]

drifters cube does the same

[ionic leaf]

noticed on pilot's page theres a little idle sprite on there? none of the other survivors have this so im assuming its not supposed to be there

(also where are the rest of them i cant find sprite rips anywhere </3)

huh. i noticed the idle sprite but not the fact that the portraits are missing for pilot

[old summit]

the info box needs a fix up as huntress has neither as well

and i dont think the proper sprite rips have been uploaded yet

but we have this for full sprite rips #ror-wiki-discussion message

[ionic leaf]

awesome ty

[granite flax]

what sprites are we after, i have all of them locally

[old summit]

we have the images i think its just the data module didnt like the dash in han-d

[crystal onyx]

I cannot believe how much missing info/wrong info is in the descriptions for things

[old summit]

ah but for the survivor pages i dont know if we have a set order of what to show

[crystal onyx]

very thankful for you all testing these

[swift plinth]

Wait, the piercing factor for bullet damage is variable?

Just noticed the wiki states damage from Point-Blank is reduced to 65% with each pierce, instead of 50%

I didn't account for that possibility

[past crow]

how does sacrifice work? is it a flat chance to get an item?

[old summit]

no clue yet

[past crow]

damn

[stuck saffron]

Yup, tested that while reworking the skills section for commando

[swift plinth]

Well shit, I suppose I should double check the other attacks then. Steady Aim is 50%, and I think Pilot's primary, but it'll need to be revisited to be sure
Also not sure why I got 7 damage instances out of Suppresive Fire the first time I tested it, but I'm seeing six now. Maybe I should tripple check Flamethrower, too...

[stuck saffron]

Have you checked suppressive fire's details? The formula for bullet count is in there, you probably had attack speed

[swift plinth]

I knew about the attack speed interaction, was certain I didn't.

[stuck saffron]

Oh, well mistakes happen

Oh by the way

We didn't test any scepter skills values

[swift plinth]

Oh true, I meant to do that eventually

[stuck saffron]

And it seems that in trials, you can't have alt scepter skills?

Any time I try I get the default one

[swift plinth]

Oh that is weird

I never tried

[stuck saffron]

Wanted to check bandit's assassinate, could never get it to work

[swift plinth]

This is going to keep bugging me, though. Wish I'd saved the footage, because I was surprised I was getting 7 with no items. This was also after Dee mentioned a fix was made to attack speed scaling for suppressive fire some time ago, when discussing the extra hits from flamethrower, so I know it caught me off guard

Apparently it wasn't hitting enough times, and a change was made to fix that (which may have had some relation to flamethrower hitting more than expected)

[swift plinth]

Checked it with command instead of in a trial, fires once for 500%, so no buff to damage or number of shots.

[stuck saffron]

Wait what, it says 2x600% this is so dumb

[swift plinth]

Note that this is with glass and 200% damage

[stuck saffron]

Need to test the damage buff also, cause default is 25%/stack instead of 50%, so maybe with scepter it is 50%

[swift plinth]

(2240-415)/(12+7*3.5)/10 = 5, or 500%

[swift plinth]

ah damn I forgot to test that

I just knew people had complained about the ability not firing twice

And having experienced that myself

[stuck saffron]

But this is the same skill as lights out and this one's scepter skill works properly 😭

[stuck saffron]

I'll fix it on the wiki then

[swift plinth]

It is a bit weird, since the animations and damage are identical for the un-scepter'd skills

[stuck saffron]

so, whoever uploaded HAN-D's icons used a – and not a - in the file names

so of course it doesn't work

I don't even know how to get this character on my keyboard, is this an american thing

–––– ----

or maybe it's better to say, I used - instead of – since that seems to be the correct one

[grave rose]

the –/- debate is real, we need a standard

they're used about equally as often

[stuck saffron]

vscode agrees with me

[vale bramble]

‐ – — my phone has 3 lmao. but leftmost is default have to hold for others

[swift plinth]

Using – for HAN-D is just wrong, anyway.
https://www.thepunctuationguide.com/en-dash.html

Should be a hyphen, not an en dash

Though I'd argue you should avoid en dash in general

[stuck saffron]

#risk-of-rain-returns message @swift plinth is this right lol (+2.4 dmg/per level)

[swift plinth]

wtf

I'm pretty sure it isn't

[stuck saffron]

says +3 in green on the sheet, so either this guy is wrong or the testing is

[swift plinth]

Yeah, and while I don't know who confirmed it was +3 initially, when I tested damage +3 made sense

give me like a minute and I'll figure it out

[stuck saffron]

it is +3 we're good

don't know where he got those numbers from

[swift plinth]

Would be extremely weird if it wasn't lol

Not even the original game had +2.4

[stuck saffron]

yeah but I was wondering cause it's a weird thing to put there lol

[swift plinth]

It's from RoR2 😭

[stuck saffron]

oh that makes so much sense

I shall not doubt the holy google sheet again

[swift plinth]

Absolutely do doubt them, the 'mando special thing still gets to me

[stuck saffron]

alright I "fixed" that issue on firefox where the gifs peeked out of the closed tab when the "details" section was empty on a skill

by adding default text when the "details" section is empty lol

holy shit that's also why HAN-D's color template was not working

because of this stupid en dash

it all makes sense now

[spring storm]

i dont get why people put so much effort for a different looking dash/minus sign

[stuck saffron]

like dude, just use the one that everyone uses 😭

why are there ones with different lengths

[old summit]

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/HAN–D#Skills alright HAN–D done

lmk if there are any errors

oh no the color for the skill names isn't working because of the stupid dash

oh, the misery

[quartz perch]

i think he should just have a hyphen

an en dash doesn't make sense

[stuck saffron]

alright, so I thought it was like that in the lang file (because who in their right mind would use an en dash, right)

BUT NO IT'S A HYPHEN

I'm going on a rampage and changing every en dash on the wiki

who is Lantern47 this is all their fault

you are now my sworn enemy

no more en dashes only hyphens

question

should I add infoboxes to engineer's page with the turrets' stats

since for instance laser turret's damage is based on its damage stat which is higher than engi's

so either more infoboxes below engi's one, or a "Turrets" section under the skills

[grave rose]

made a page on the tutorial so bandit prism's link can lead somewhere

[quartz perch]

infobox would be good

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron this is a valid way to spawn blighteds right? ["elite_set", ["get_arg", 0], "blighted"],

[stuck saffron]

not sure, I've been spawning them with the director_spawn_elite_type parameter

[spring storm]

neat

can you show me how i should make sure blighted magma worm is not borked because i spawned him weirdly

blighted magma worm seems to have his own boss music which is funny

[distant hazel]

This is why I added “hand” to the colors

[stuck saffron]

I'm not sure tbh I haven't tried with bosses

I think what you're doing is right

[spring storm]

prob im trying your method just to be sure

[stuck saffron]

doesn't seem to work properly with bosses

[spring storm]

realistically they prob just did not implemented blighted worm fully

hes so cool though :(

discord really hates me

[stuck saffron]

your files are encoded weirdly

[spring storm]

prob

works on my side, i should reset obs

[stuck saffron]

default windows player wants the AV1 codec to read it

[spring storm]

forgot i did that

there we go

[stuck saffron]

these bells are ominous

[spring storm]

reminds me of a roguelands boss

[stuck saffron]

is the worm usually this big

[spring storm]

no he is huge

[quartz perch]

nope

[spring storm]

i really hate how he is not in game

seems so funny

[quartz perch]

are those bells because of it lol

[stuck saffron]

seems cool

[spring storm]

rn is does not do damage though

[stuck saffron]

do other blighted bosses trigger these bells too

[spring storm]

yes he is also delayed spawn

[spring storm]

dont think so

[stuck saffron]

damn

[spring storm]

he is meant to spawn instantly

but the bells plays before he spawns

so fucken cool

[stuck saffron]

yeah this feels like it was worked on but discarded mid-way through

looks very cool, maybe we'll see it fully working in a future update

[spring storm]

i should have disabled normal music to make it more ominous

also notice how he spawns under you

and not where he says he will spawn

very silly

[grave rose]

they probably couldn't find a way to keep it this big and still make it work normally

[spring storm]

needed to straigten him

[grave rose]

spawning in the wrong spot and clearly teleporting in instead of looking like it comes out of the ground

shame they removed it instead of just making it smaller or something

[quartz perch]

well i imagine theyre able to finetune it they just removed it for other reasons (not enough time or maybe they just thought it wouldn't work well/be fair)

[stuck saffron]

oh hey, spawning without a scepter and getting one after spawning seems to work! I can test alt special damage now

[spring storm]

blighted providance seems to have had some work also, his visuals look weird, he resets his elite status it seems though when he goes to 2nd phase

[quartz perch]

with weird do you just mean buggy or

[spring storm]

i mean he looks worked on because his visuals are special, doesn't look that buggy ill get a clip

could just be an artifact from provs normal visuals and blighteds

[stuck saffron]

welp, already found that enforcer alt special does not increase damage, and HAN-D's alt special's burn is very weird

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron have you been able to get stats of drones?

[stuck saffron]

I should be able to

I got the stats of the imps from the boss item

so this should be similar

yup

[spring storm]

can i steal your file?

[stuck saffron]

weird stats though, need to check with survivor's base stats

[spring storm]

do you want me to compile test data for drones or are you going to

[stable sand]

Does anyone know what the stats are for the game difficulties (Drizzle, etc)? Like damage received, defense, that typa stuff.

[spring storm]

only known one is like, 50 more hp on drizzle

[stable sand]

because I wanna edit the language file to show the stats in the game, but the wiki doesn't have info on the difficulties, and the internet doesn't help

[spring storm]

yeah, because we dont know

you could test for them(how long per level increment on top right)

put blighted only spawn on monsoon

[stable sand]

@spring storm Something like this...

[stable sand]

perhaps. thanks bg

[stable sand]

thanks dude

[stuck saffron]

I can't right now, feel free to do it

[spring storm]

ima prob just put it in player stat place

[spring storm]

huh gold golem guy does exist

not in lang file

[stuck saffron]

yup but it's in the sprites

yo these values are wild

[spring storm]

yep

[stuck saffron]

did you try removing the update to player hp_regen

cause I'm setting it really high and maybe the drones inherit some of that?

[spring storm]

your updating regen?

[stuck saffron]

yeah I was testing fire shield or smth

[spring storm]

where, your file is formated so weirdly

[stuck saffron]

sorry, vscode doing that lol

[spring storm]

got rid of it

yep its the same

gilded beam drone has 41 regen damn

you can control as many player drones as you want how funny

idk how to spawn the specific player drone to make sure they all have same stats/ base stats for player, prob just base stats for player

but 60 speed

but yeah some weird stats

whos this guy in spriites?

[stuck saffron]

how did you spawn him

[spring storm]

idk just looked at sprite file

[stuck saffron]

oh okay, lemme check

[sinful storm]

spectator drone

[spring storm]

also drones deal different % damage which maybe ill test eventually

damage % be wild though, gold attack>gunner>attack

i wonder if attack drone is just a bad idea to upgrade to

it sure is, and it gets worse over time, red is gunner and blue is attack, purple is gold
this is without damage % though

[stuck saffron]

they probably have different skills but it's impossible to see

[stuck saffron]

DroneDisp

[spring storm]

is he arms race drone?

[stuck saffron]

no clue

[analog thunder]

idk if it's just me, but ive noticed gunner drones dying a lot more than attack drones. perhaps they have different HP values?

[spring storm]

@analog thunder yeah i was talking about a pure dps perspective drone stats are here

[analog thunder]

it's interesting that loader has the slowest move speed

[stuck saffron]

this is a nightmare

[spring storm]

thats why i dont edit the wiki

[stuck saffron]

I blame the turrets

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron how do you get speed of a flying dude

they dont seem to care about phmax or phspeed

[stuck saffron]

I'm not sure :/ it's probably a combination of phspeed and pvspeed
there's also speed for the actual speed of an actor iirc

but ofc you won't get a nice value with that because it fluctuates

[spring storm]

phspeed is always not showing on the terminal thats what im confused about

so its negitive/0

[stuck saffron]

ah yeah it's negative if moving towards the left iirc

[spring storm]

but both ways

[stuck saffron]

really? weird

[spring storm]

so sad no speed value for player drones

prob 60 though since if you spawn them from a chest there phmax says that

[odd lodge]

should they be seperated?

[spring storm]

1 log so they are together

[odd lodge]

ig gup isnt seperated either, or cavalry so its good

[spring storm]

ask the game why they dont get logs, and why smol boar does not have one :c

[odd lodge]

and worms, yea its good

[stuck saffron]

pHspeed works for me

[spring storm]

yeah not for drones though

[stuck saffron]

jelly's pHmax is like 20 but log says 40 so they have another way of calculating it

maybe pHmax + pVmax or something

[stuck saffron]

yeah, no point making a page for each gup lol

same for cavalry, these mobs come together

[odd lodge]

ye its consistent that way

[stuck saffron]

sad 😦

[spring storm]

maybe ill just add the vectors and see if it somehow works all of a sudden

wait no sqrt

[odd lodge]

are imp vanguards and purple imps worth listing on enemy page in that case?

and maybe maybe direseeker

im not challenging it, just wondering reasoning

[stuck saffron]

they don't have their own pages, it redirects to a section of the page of the enemy they're based on

[odd lodge]

ik

idk doesnt matter, it looks good and is functional

[stuck saffron]

I think what we have rn makes sense

also I spent way too long making the gifs for this page I don't want to touch it lol

[odd lodge]

making gifs is hell

i applaud you

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron do you have any plan to put fire rate of primarys on the wiki

[stuck saffron]

no real plan, but it wouldn't be hard to add

[spring storm]

why icons here and not there(next to cooldown bit) @stuck saffron ?

[stuck saffron]

one is a recharge per turret, other is a cooldown per cast

[vernal torrent]

Has anyone added that the Imp Vanguard from the Artifact of Origin is applicable to Huntress' achievement to kill 3 unique hidden bosses? I just unlocked her alt by killing acrid, the vanguard, and provi.

[haughty schooner]

it's not on there

The list still includes the armored boarlit as well which does not count

[spiral willow]

also on huntress page, there needs to be the ancient scepter description of her special bc its not on there but the rest of the characters are

[void flume]

Acrid has dummy images uploaded, now.

Corrosive Wounds really just stacks forever, huh

[past stratus]

Logs say top speed, and they have a dashing move, so the top speed probably refers to that and not their standard speed.

[past crow]

yo just wondering, does sniper charge faster if it uses attack speed?

[past stratus]

For this, wouldn't be better to show something like /stock or /charge?

[runic pilot]

does drill replace the m1 when procing?

I noticed my engi not throwing any nades and just drilling and was wondering if drill takes priority

[void flume]

Yes, they do

[void flume]

And yes, it does

Drill can actually be detrimental to some characters for that reason

[runic pilot]

does it carry over m1 properties in full?

like how exactly does it interact with m1/primary attack

[void flume]

I believe it needs to be tested, but my hunch is no

[runic pilot]

if you're playing enforcer with nade launcher will each enemy hit by the drill get hit 3 times for 60%

[void flume]

Oh in that scenario, I believe it's completely overridden

I can set up a test, though

give me a couple minutes

[runic pilot]

okayy

I'm really curious how it intearcts with the dmg % of primaries and such

interesting thing to note with engi turrets they will still fire normally and drill on top of their normal attack

so it'll double their dmg output

[old summit]

from whative seen people say it doesnt use any of the default parts of the primary so things like acrid dont poison

[void flume]

It does however inherit Sniper's reload bonus

[old summit]

[void flume]

But just testing, can confirm it overrides Acrid poison

[old summit]

even up close?

[void flume]

unfortunately, yes

let me try those enforcer grenades

[runic pilot]

that's disappointing

so it does the dmg of one grenade more or less

drill has just become another one of those items that are "a reason for manual pick up to come out faster"

[old summit]

nah it looks like around 2,5

[void flume]

Oh if you were curious, the reload action for grenades doesn't count as an "attack" for the sake of drill activating sooner

[runic pilot]

sad

drill doo doo

[void flume]

Interesting for a red item to be activately detrimental to some characters

[runic pilot]

it's just like how bottled chaos was basically more of a lunar item than red in ror2

[runic pilot]

but there's quite a few items that are detrimental to survivors

[void flume]

Red items, though?

[runic pilot]

well not as much but even lower rarity items being detrimental is odd, maybe even more odd as they make up more of your item pool

tho repusion armor can be bad on alt turret engi

as it can potentially make it last indefinitely breaking the hourglass tech

boxing gloves are a green that's detrimental to quite a few survivors

because of the knock-back

[void flume]

Repulsion and boxing gloves seem more like making things a bit more inconvenient though, compared to removing core ability behavior like Acrid's poison or Enforcer's grenade multi-hit.

I believe it also affects Artificer's fire application.

Drill isn't just making certain abilities harder to use or item synergies harder to get, it's actively removing benefits you'd otherwise have without anything at all.

[old summit]

so the damage on a single target is 24 on a normal grenade and then 22 on the heaven cracker

[stuck saffron]

Fixed, ty

[ashen shard]

Dumb question:
How did people found a way to access test trials like this one?

[stuck saffron]

We created our own by editing the main.trials file in the data/trials folder

[sinful storm]

I dont really get why drill isnt just, in addition to your attack

[grave rose]

for the enemies page, would it be more intuitive to just list the elite aspects blighted can have instead of ones they can't?

it's not longer and more straightforward

[stuck saffron]

Yeah it's weird
Gonna have to write something on the wiki about it if it's not already there

[stuck saffron]

Probably yeah? This section needs a revamp anyway

[odd lodge]

???

no it doesnt

should i remove

if it was itd look like this

[stuck saffron]

if it's not accurate yeah I guess

I should make a to-do list for the wiki there's so much to do

[grizzled pasture]

1. Add images to drone page

[stuck saffron]

I SAW YOU TYPING AND I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GONNA ASK

you're the drones guy to me now

sorry

TO-DO:

• finish reworking skills section for every survivor
• finish damage items testing
• put relevant results on the wiki
• do the same for every other item, pretty much
• game mechanics pages? (armor, leveling, scaling, etc.)
• rework drones page (different tiers of drones give different items in a scrapper, drones stats, DRONE IMAGES)
• rework all infoboxes so their style is in line with the enemy infobox
• by popular demand, add in-game sprites of survivors on their respective page (maybe enemies too)

[odd lodge]

also should risk of rain 2013 be formatted wit hthe brackets or without?

im thinking with

[stuck saffron]

I think so as well

[odd lodge]

ok, ill sift through pages and check

i love random page button

just noticed

is the game of origin section staying?

[stuck saffron]

for now it's not, but I'll add it back later

but rn not every item has it filled out and it's a pain

when I rework this infobox I'll add it back in

[odd lodge]

ill do later

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Heaven_Cracker added some... interesting observations I made while testing Heaven Cracker

[spring storm]

drone page is also just missing golem drone which is odd

[void flume]

It's called Friendly Construct, and it's already listed

[stuck saffron]

their name is kinda ambiguous, one trial calls them Friendly Constructs and the lang file calls them Acquainted Construct

but yeah they're on there

[spring storm]

bit weird for them to be under uniquue drones part

ig it makes sense

[stuck saffron]

are you fucking kidding me

[spring storm]

should have trusted the icon

gotta love everything being wrong

[stuck saffron]

should I replace all the movement items' false % value with the actual value in km/h

[spring storm]

aren't some % based?

[stuck saffron]

none of them are lol

[spring storm]

even hunters harpoon?

[stuck saffron]

ok I need to test harpoon, warbanner, and arcane blades

and filial imprinting I guess

but I'm not optimistic

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron loaders secondary is a 20% bonus

would be funny if its the only thing

[stuck saffron]

oh yeah I did test that

wtf is going on in this game lol

[spring storm]

yeah i remember lazily testing that and tacking it on the wiki a while ago

good to know that i was right with my pretty much guess

[stuck saffron]

Hunter's Harpoon is NOT a 125% boost

[spring storm]

got removed since it seems

[stuck saffron]

it's a 1.25MS boost

so 12.5km/h

[spring storm]

i wonder why they couldn't have just, put the right info in the boxes

[stuck saffron]

so not even consistent with whip's 60% = 1.2 MS

also stacks go up to 20 and not 25 like stated

[haughty schooner]

hellooooo just wanted to bring this up one last time

the applicable bosses section for Huntress's "The Hunt" is wrong

The armored boarlit isn't eligible, and the Imp Vanguard is

[stuck saffron]

slipped my mind

I'll fix it, but fyi anyone can edit the wiki

ty for reminding me

[haughty schooner]

Oh mb I assumed it was limited at the moment

I'll keep that in mind

[stuck saffron]

you might have to register an account on wiki.gg I'm not sure

but that's it

[spring storm]

you do

[stuck saffron]

warbanner gives 0.6MS instead of 30%

same for Arcane Blades

aaaand I think that's every item that gives MS

burning witness gives a flat amount as well

[haughty schooner]

Speed being in km/h on the wiki feels very weird to me

[spring storm]

what else would it be

[stuck saffron]

that's how it's written in the stats section of the logs

and it's just the game engine's value for movement speed * 10

[haughty schooner]

Yeah that makes sense

Km/h just feels hard to parse in the context of the game

for some reason

[spring storm]

pilots fall speed 21.83 km/h, horizontal speed 65km/h neat (parachute)

[stuck saffron]

I'm hesitating on how to update the movement speed items' text because km/h doesn't mean much to a player reading it

[spring storm]

the unit "meter" by the game is terrible and incorrect though

[stuck saffron]

yeah exactly

I agree there

[spring storm]

but for speed we just keep it as km/h for now

[stuck saffron]

should I report this as a bug or something? all of these percentages are base on a value that is not the character's speed

it's just 2 for some reason

except harpoon

[spring storm]

300km/h is max fall speed

[stuck saffron]

nice

should measure wavedash speed lol

[spring storm]

sure

208

[stuck saffron]

daaamn

[spring storm]

57.2 horizontal for artificer platform

acrid ground acid is a flat 8 speed bonus

[stuck saffron]

FLAT AGAIN

[spring storm]

merc dash is 252km/h

57.6 for robo dash

absolute zooming

[stuck saffron]

damn

[haughty schooner]

What's the speed of Sniper backflip vs Commando roll?

[spring storm]

7ms penelty for enforcer

[spring storm]

84, 62.4

me when no move speed for huntress dash :c

[haughty schooner]

That explains why backflip feels so much better

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax if you read a bit above you can see our discussion on movement speed items and how they lie to us
don't really know how to translate raw MS values to something players will understand for the wiki. if you have any suggestions (or if you think this is a bug cause wtf) please lmk cause I'm not sure what to do there lol

[spring storm]

i think just saying an additional x km/h is fine

[stuck saffron]

also this rant kinda #game-questions-returns message

yeah but it doesn't rly mean anything to someone playing the game

anyway this can wait till tomorrow, good night

[spring storm]

just link the word "km/h" to a page dedicated to speed or something

and list some speed values

then you can have all my trivia i just got with max 300km/h fall speed and other useless info

[stuck saffron]

yeah I'm thinking of having a "Game mechanics" page (or at least a category of pages)

with stuff like MS, Armor, scaling, etc.

[stuck saffron]

be sure to note it down somewhere cause it'll be annoying to scroll up to here to find it again lol

[spring storm]

ill throw it in misc testing

normal gravity 5.2: pilot parachute, 1.73, artificer, 2

[haughty schooner]

I think thats a good idea

break down all of the stats on their own in depth pages

include weird exceptions etc and explanations for things that don't follow rules or function like their tooltips say regarding stats

[spring storm]

and we can even throw in the funny descrepency where a "meter" by this games logic is equal to like 4 different values, as in meter derived from speed values != caustic climbs meter != razor wire meter, prob more incorrect meters

[silver gorge]

idk if its a different value but warbanner and key also use it

[spring storm]

imagine if we get 5 different values

i kinda want to live in this ignorance of only 3 values

[haughty schooner]

Do we have access to html and CSS when editing the wiki? or is it strictly like a text and tables editor kind of situation?

[stuck saffron]

CSS is admin only

And you can do HTML directly in the editor

[haughty schooner]

fair

[stuck saffron]

Yeah it's a global CSS sheet that affects the whole wiki sooo

You can use the ol' ugly style= in your html element lol

[haughty schooner]

lol

cool maybe I can find some time to add value to the wiki if I can find somewhere to be useful

[stuck saffron]

But tbh the only places where html/CSS should be used are templates

Like what I did for the skill boxes and the enemy infoboxes

[stuck saffron]

Yeah go for it

[haughty schooner]

yeah you wanna keep the wiki homogenous ofc

[dense thicket]

Does the alien head decrease the laser turret chargeup time?

[quartz perch]

i don't think so

it only affects skill cooldowns

also #game-questions-returns is a better channel for this

[granite flax]

yep, just read through. i think list km/h and always have km/h link back to an explanation of the games movement system on like a "game mechanics" page which i think weve mentioned before

but alongside the km/h listing, i think listing a tiles per second is probably a good metric we can go by

1 tile being 32 pixels

its what each level is made of so its nice and consistent, and something you can get a pretty good natural feel for through playtime

also sory for being less active wish i was doing more but im having some health issues

[granite flax]

ooh haha, yep! thats exactly wht im talking about!

[stuck saffron]

Alright sounds like a plan then

[stuck saffron]

No worries, hope you feel better soon

[teal wasp]

yo guys, hello, hope everyone has a great day, just a question. Is there a monster spawn number cap on each stage?

[stuck saffron]

no idea :/

[sinful storm]

Arti still ignites with heaven cracker

does acrid poison with it?

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Heaven_Cracker no one reads the notes 😦

[sinful storm]

;-; im sorry

[haughty schooner]

there isn't as far as I know. I remember in the first game I would screw around and just stay on stage one with command and sacrifice and farm for hours, enemies never stop spawning

enemies that can spawn at once and the quality of those enemies are affected by the credit system for 'purchasing' enemies iirc

which goes up with scaling

An exception is the teleporter event, enemies will stop spawning once the teleporter is charged

[stuck saffron]

alright, got miner, sniper, and acrid's skills sections done!

only 6 (well... 7) left

[distant hazel]

Yeah the only good thing about holding him back is the wiki looks good and has templates now so his page is easy to make

[stuck saffron]

lmao yeah we can make the page nice and proper from the get-go

I don't even have his skills in the DB though, I haven't unlocked him yet

too busy testing and editing the wiki lol

[spiral willow]

Praying for you big dawg

[swift plinth]

Poison can crit

[grizzled pasture]

So should we note the fact that Drones can proc on kill items?

[clear cargo]

robomando really ought to be added to the wiki by now, he's become fairly common knowledge but his strange directions and unclear stats would give the value of a wiki entry on him even more value.

playing in an online lobby, looking up videos on the game, or even playing with friends will probably result in learning about him anyway

[haughty schooner]

It's really only been a few weeks

[void flume]

hmm

[clear cargo]

its almost been a month since ror returns' release, and robomando was found fast

[distant hazel]

yeah that's a few too long

[clear cargo]

also the "top of all time" (english) for guides on steam for ror:r features at #1 a guide on unlocking all survivors including robomando and #4 a guide specifically for unlocking robomando

[grizzled pasture]

Are there any on-kill items that are not proced by drones?

[analog thunder]

make his link a secret in the wiki itself

[stuck saffron]

Woops

[stuck saffron]

No idea, would need to test, but I'd imagine no

@void flume caught up to your GIFs btw

[void flume]

Ah yeah, I was doing some destiny then I was going to catch up on that as well

[stuck saffron]

I'm sure it'll be added soon now

[stuck saffron]

Awesome

[clear cargo]

id hope so

[high maple]

Quick question

On the giant imp overlord shrine page it says that they count towards the hunt but in my last run I killed the cognation golem stage 1 then acrid stage 13 and then on stage 14 I found two such overlord statues but did not get the hunt until I killed providence

[stuck saffron]

I'm not sure if the achievement pops up during a run or only at the end

but this page seriously needs a rework anyway, lots of unverified info and the grammar is very bad

[high maple]

We know that cognation, direseeker and acrid work though for the hunt so It might pay to only hit one then do giant shrine then do providence on a save that hasn’t done hunt

[stuck saffron]

yup, that would be a good idea

[high maple]

I can confirm from the two shrines I hit that there will always be 2 reds regardless of the number of overlords

They definitely can be elite as well because I got frenzied spawns (they also have a health bar at the top like TP bosses)

[stuck saffron]

damn I'm looking at the page what is this about monster logs drop chance

[high maple]

idk

[stuck saffron]

who wrote this

makes me mad seeing approximate, unverifiable info like this

[high maple]

I got a lot of log drops from that run but idk if i got the overlord log from those ones (wouldnt be conclusive evidence anyway)

[stuck saffron]

they probably can drop logs but we don't have any way to check drop chances

or if looping more affects shrine spawn rate

[high maple]

Can confirm they are in fact a different colour tho lol so that’s something that’s right on that page

[stuck saffron]

this is all biased by personal experience :/

[high maple]

I mean I would’ve thought so because I had never seen one on my usual runs and then found 2 on the same stage 14

But again not enough datapoints

[stuck saffron]

are they just Imp Vanguards, same as Artifact of Origin?

I forgot to check when I encountered one

[high maple]

they are overlords and I think they had a yellow-ish tinge to them (the health bar said overlords but honestly I haven’t done origin yet)

Just noticed Inp overlords in the last sentence lol

[stuck saffron]

the dangers of public wiki editing I guess

but I can't fault them for trying to add info, it's more that most ppl

[high maple]

Also this would require a LOT of alternate save related testing because we would want to check if first they count for the hunt (by doing the test i suggested earlier) and then if they do then do a run where you kill one of them and a vanguard and then see if it triggers hunt

(After providence ofc)

[stuck saffron]

they seem like regular overlords

[high maple]

Huh may have just been frenzied on both then mb

[stuck saffron]

yeah probably

[high maple]

Didn’t really clock the prefix on the second shrine but must’ve been there

[stuck saffron]

accidentally spawned them blighted, and just knowing it can happen is terrifying

[high maple]

Yup actual nightmare fuel right there

Also we might want to try to find a range on how many overlords it can spawn

because it would make sense for the minimum to be 2 but I swear I had upwards of like 5 spawn in my run and they were all elites

[stuck saffron]

probably depends on stage / time scaling and director credits

not sure how to test this effectively tbh

[high maple]

But would it have a max? Like if you crank it to absurd levels will it spawn a lot or the same as something say halfway between

[stuck saffron]

would be fun if it had no upper limit lol

[high maple]

Would also be absolutely horrific to have your screen fill with overlords in exchange for 2 reds

[stuck saffron]

at a certain point it's just not worth it lol

imagine seeing this deep into a monsoon run

[high maple]

Welp guess ill die

[spring storm]

does the item spawn out of the shrine? can you just lead the imps off the edge?

[stuck saffron]

they do spawn out of the shrine iirc

so I guess you could do that

[sinful storm]

I had 2x blighted imp from the big jar before

it wasnt an issue as I had knife

but yeah the jar is very unlikely to spawn a regular imp due to being only able to spawn so late

[grave rose]

after about 80-100 minutes they only ever spawn as blighted. though it's one of the easiest bosses so who cares

[granite flax]

you can indeed lead big shrine imps off the stage and still get the rewards

[plush stone]

Ye

[high maple]

Pretty sure it only spawns overlords not regular imps

[sinful storm]

I meant non elite sorry bad wording

[stuck saffron]

hmmmm

do we need the skin palette there 🤔

also might need a better way to arrange the stats I'm not sure I like it

[high maple]

You could bulletpoint them?

Like:

HP: 110 (+32 per level)
Regen: 0.60 Hp/s (+0.12 per level)

[high maple]

I think maybe include prisms and judgement skins but otherwise probably not

[stuck saffron]

they're in the gallery, I don't think I'll keep them in the infobox

[stuck saffron]

maybe yeah, I wanted to be somewhat consistent with what I did for the enemies

like on here https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Ancient_Wisp

[high maple]

I feel that but honestly I think that it would be hard with 5 stats and as long as all survivors match and all enemies match i feel like it would work

[stuck saffron]

probably better yeah

[granite flax]

yessss thats way better!

these almost look like trading cards haha

[stuck saffron]

a little bit yeah, I like them quite a lot

[granite flax]

youre killing it as usual!

[stuck saffron]

I'll try to get this on the wiki and then only item infoboxes will be left I think

oh maybe the stages as well

[stuck saffron]

ty

[keen mulch]

unlooked?

I know it says unlocked but it doesn't look like that

[high maple]

Glad I helped lol and I do quite like the look of it

[stuck saffron]

yeah the font isn't ideal

unfortunately I can't use the one from the game

if anyone finds a nice pixelated font similar to this, free for commercial use, lmk

[stuck saffron]

accidentally applied the font to the tooltips and they look so much better??

for reference

[stuck saffron]

upped the font size a bit

all survivor infoboxes done 😓

[void flume]

Definitely not me, saying I was gonna get more gifs done after playing destiny and forgetting for 8 hours

@stuck saffron With how you're doing the boxes, how would you want me to handle CHEF?

He's quite a er, special case.

[stuck saffron]

oh yeah that's right

I'd say showcase regular and boosted skill in the same gif

I'll have them displayed like the scepter skills, pretty much

[void flume]

Righto, I was planning on doing it that way at the very start, so that's good that I don't have to change up the plan

[stuck saffron]

perfect 👍

[void flume]

Oh, I think I've discovered something... pretty fucked up about merc.

After-image dupe attacks have reduced damage.

[stuck saffron]

yup, 50%

[void flume]

Yeesh, half?

[stuck saffron]

yeah it's rough

[void flume]

Eviscerate looking mighty enticing, still.

Scepter probably still goes crazy for after-image, though.

[stuck saffron]

a 1.5 dmg increase is still very nice but it's not as good as it seems at first glance

[void flume]

Yeah, definitely not as strong as it sounds on the tin.

[stuck saffron]

damn I was retesting and getting 100% damage, but it turns out the after-images are considered players for the sake of the trial code I'm using, and I was setting their damage to the same value as me lol

that means they're actually entities with their own stats though

interesting

[void flume]

Oh now THAT is weird

[grizzled pasture]

So has anyone cataloged the cognition golem's items? Drones

[stuck saffron]

someones edited the wiki and wrote that it barbed wires and panic mines, I haven't had time to confirm the info yet

Soon™

[void flume]

The difference here is actually insane

[stuck saffron]

in damage?

[void flume]

in range, actually

[stuck saffron]

oh yeah, good point

will add it to my notes

[grizzled pasture]

You can stand on Engi's turrets

[stuck saffron]

true

I should add that to the skill details

I forgot

[void flume]

look at em go

[stuck saffron]

made this lil gif for the infobox

cute lil turret

[grizzled pasture]

It looks like they have eyes

Cute

[stuck saffron]

lmao

[void flume]

@stuck saffron Making sure I wouldn't break anything, if I were to go back and upload a new gif of an ability, would that break anything for the characters with their infoboxes already filled out?

IE, Commando's roll, that one bugs me now that I have a solid format.

[stuck saffron]

no it won't break anything, I limited their size

[void flume]

Alright, nice

Merc gifs are all recorded, now I just gotta upload 'em

[stuck saffron]

nice 🙂

[void flume]

There we go, all in the database now

I thought this was interesting, as well

deceptively high range

[granite flax]

is it the same in all directions?

[void flume]

Neglected to test, give a moment

Sure is

Well, horizontally speaking, turning away had no diminishing effect on range

it's a bit harder to test verticality with how my environment is set up

[stuck saffron]

I think it has the same range vertically as well (from what I've seen playing, no actual test)

[void flume]

blech, loader has so much forward movement using his melee

[stuck saffron]

lol I've fallen off of stage 1 of judgement a couple times trying to punch enemies off the ledge

[void flume]

All of loader is now uploaded to the database, now... the next one.

oh boy.

[stuck saffron]

good luck

[void flume]

this is what we could be dealing with, any thoughts?

[stuck saffron]

that's pretty good I think!

[void flume]

Man, the thing with chef is to include everything, he takes up so much space

tall guy with tall abilities

Alright, I'm not sure I'll ever be happy with how they look, but CHEF is all in the database, now.

[stuck saffron]

it's complicated with the way he works :/

thanks !

[void flume]

I did however get this out of it, who knows when it'll be useful

[stuck saffron]

now how do I explain this

[stuck saffron]

oooh that's nice

[void flume]

Could this be some useful reference?

[stuck saffron]

yeah that's what I had in mind, it's just the decimal throwing me off lol

it's 1.5*115% also

[void flume]

Could say the third hit is multiplied by that value? It's certainly a strange case

[vale bramble]

hopoo really just picks a number thats kinda close enough to the truth for descriptions huh

[stuck saffron]

kinda seems that way

I mean if you average the values it's 134.16% so close enough I guess

[vale bramble]

but like why not 135% at tjat point lol. ig its gotta be a nice looking number too

[void flume]

barring any of the blatantly incorrect ones, like Disperse, Laser Cyclone, Engineer Turrets, and so on.

The turrets in particular, I mean man

[stuck saffron]

is disperse wrong?

[void flume]

Supposedly

[stuck saffron]

ah, the scepter skill is

[void flume]

Er Evacuate, yeah

[stuck saffron]

for me the most egregious one is Standoff's scepter skill

from 2*600% to 500%

[void flume]

Oh now that is just ridiculous

[stuck saffron]

I reported this one as a bug lol

[old summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/riskofrain/comments/18b17j6/now_i_can_say_i_help_communities/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button accidentally came across the person

[stuck saffron]

they got corrected in the comments and didn't change the page 😢

https://www.reddit.com/r/riskofrain/comments/18a3xp5/imp_overlord_shrine/ ah I understand now lol

[old summit]

That definitely makes sense

[high maple]

I think i see where the hunt misconceptions came around from

Because another person on that thread mentioned that the first time they found one was while going for the hunt (didnt say if they counted but whoever edited the wiki must’ve thought so)

[shadow tusk]

Anyone else just have no idea what Aerobatics icon was trying to show, other than forward motion? Well I figured out that it's actually got one of Pilots wall cling sprites in it. So they were probably going for a Pilot is dashing forward thing.

[spring storm]

all i saw was some kind of sword

[shadow tusk]

lol

[grizzled pasture]

Yup drones can proc any on-kill item

[stuck saffron]

I won't fall for your subliminal messages

[stuck saffron]

also, that's actually kinda cool I couldn't see it at all

[shadow tusk]

Yeah, I'm not sure if it's Wiki worthy, but I don't think most people can tell that it's supposed to be portraying Pilot.

Maybe it would work in a trivia section

[languid sierra]

does anyone know what the damage multiplier is on the 'weakness' aspect of Umbrella?

[stuck saffron]

seems to be around 23.16%

umbrella numbers are very weird

it also does dmg depending on the boss' max HP it seems, but it looks like the number of ticks of dmg is kinda random

[stuck saffron]

damn, someone actually started doing individual pages for the challenges

even made a template and everything using the CSS I cooked up

looks nice tbh

[grave rose]

sniper isn't really a spoiler right?

[stuck saffron]

I think the spoiler warning is for providence

[grave rose]

prettified the main challenges page

but idk how I should go about spoiler tagging the judgement/prism skins (and Him)

[granite flax]

no Him allowed yet

[grave rose]

ok this should be all the challenges on the main page. not sure about the whole individual page per challenge thing but I guess we'll see what it develops into

[stuck saffron]

damn, mercenary's scepter skill is kinda cool

though it does seem to be kinda bugged

it doesn't reset properly if it takes 4 hit to kill a target? or when the skill resets it only does 4 hits

so it's not a "full" reset, you get a slightly less powerful version

[distant hazel]

I'm convinced it was a noble effort at first and now we're all being played

[clear cargo]

the fact judgement skins and prism skins were put on instantly but robomando has been kept off is like so dumb

prism skins shoudlve been there from the start yea theres no way you find those things but like similarly theres no way to organically find robomando

[void flume]

Tomorrow it will have been a month since the game's release, which I think would be a good time to lift that burden and to get people to stop complaining about it

[tacit beacon]

can confirm that mace replica does not work with crit

its probably the only on hit item it doesnt proc

idk if thats worth adding as a note to the item page for it

[tame current]

what's the point of a wiki if I can't find documentation on hard to find details or obscure unlocks?

[cobalt ore]

yeah I do feel like having spoiler rules on a wiki is sort of dumb

if you're going to a wiki and get upset that you've been spoiled... I feel like that's your fault

[granite flax]

thats what i was thinking, yep

[silver gorge]

do u have any data mining or are u literally just like getting averages in a test

[stuck saffron]

Woohoo tomorrow is free Robo day

[stuck saffron]

Can't look at the code, this is all manual testing
I'm setting up a trial and giving myself 1000 base damage and hitting a dummy with 100k health

Or in this case a teleporter boss

And a hit that should do 600 dmg did like 739 during Umbrella

[silver gorge]

icic

[old summit]

I mean the prisms are just actively in the runs which is a significantly easier thing to find over tHe cHiLd

[clear cargo]

i mean they're relatively easier to find sure, doesnt mean they arent in insane spots

and you have to get close to one for it to actually appear

i mean, who is gonna check the tutorial for a prism

[tame current]

hey uhm he just dropped a hoof

sacrifice isn't on

[stuck saffron]

Oh yeah this needs to be updated

It's any item, same as regular bosses

[stuck saffron]

It's Robo Day in Europe 🥳

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/CHEF#Skills this one was a doozy

[void flume]

Oh I can imagine

Good work

[stuck saffron]

got the meals' actual effects, too

[void flume]

Oh wow, I didn't know COOK actually did have an execute

It really didn't feel like it at all

[quartz perch]

damn some of these food stats are actually pretty good

40 armor? 20% damage?

[stuck saffron]

the damage one stacks rly well, the barrier + armor combo is rly good

[stuck saffron]

yup, enemy with 1001 / 10.000 HP lives, enemy with 1000 / 10000 dies

[quartz perch]

actually tempted to try and get the most out of cook now that i know of the execute and food stats

[stuck saffron]

it only has 50% dmg and not 80% but it's not that bad?

[quartz perch]

does the execute apply before or after cook's damage

[stuck saffron]

though boosted secondary damage is kinda insane

[stuck saffron]

huh, during I believe

cause it's like 6 hits

[quartz perch]

yeah that makes sense

[void flume]

Each hit has the execute ability, pretty much

[stuck saffron]

yup

[void flume]

I really just wonder why it can't crit, at all.

[quartz perch]

sucks that cook deals so little damage anyways

[stuck saffron]

I haven't really tested it now that I think about it

but I feel like it would have been mentioned somewhere if it could

[quartz perch]

suffocate does only deal 200% damage compared to cook's total 300% but it still feels way better

[void flume]

Suffocate has a way higher execute threshold, is the major thing

[quartz perch]

yea

[void flume]

That's why it feels so much better

Double that of CHEF's, more specifically

20% on Suffocate over CHEF's (hidden!) 10%

[stuck saffron]

only thing I'm not sure of for the meals is the cooldown reducing one, did my best to test it properly but it's kinda hard

but it seems right

[quartz perch]

how hard is this area to test?

can't you just spawn enemies and see how far they have to be

[void flume]

I don't think we have a solid way to measure ranges, yet

nothing is consistent

[quartz perch]

hm

[stuck saffron]

yup

I need to try barbed wires again at some point but I'm not confident lol

[void flume]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it just like, lies

[quartz perch]

lol

what do meters even mean

is it tiles or is it meaningless

[void flume]

That's just it, it's supposedly meaningless

[quartz perch]

awesome

[void flume]

From what I heard it's not even in parity with other aspects mentioning "meters"

I think speed was the prime example

[stuck saffron]

#ror-wiki-discussion message I measured it in pixels at some point and the increase per stack didn't really make sense I think

[spring storm]

measure in pixels until @granite flax decides on what we should use as distance pretty much

[void flume]

Now, it does seem like maps use a "grid" of some degree, at least

[spring storm]

but that conflicts with the other 4 or so definitions of meters we can derive which is so cool

[void flume]

"blocks" of collision (at least in the testing trial I'm very familiar with, by now) are measured in 32x32 pixels

[stuck saffron]

well speed is a gamemaker value I'm fairly sure, and for the logs they just timed it by 10 and called it "km/h", but it doesn't have any relation to "meters"

now, "barbed wire meters" and "acrid bubble trial meters" are completely different

[spring storm]

you can get "meter" from the speed conversion though

[stuck saffron]

I just want a single, cohesive unit of measurement 😭

[quartz perch]

does this mean the second stack just gives a massive increase for no reason or am i missing something

[spring storm]

meter should prob be 32 pixels though, i do think speed values should be changed to fit that but that would be a little silly

wiki values should make mathmatical sense

[void flume]

the problem there comes from that value not coming from something tangible in-game, or worst-case outright contradicting it

We'd have to at least explain these inconsistencies

[spring storm]

yeah it should just link to this "game mechanics" page that is planned and explain all these silly things there

or just turn everything into pixel measurements and never even say km/meter

px/s instead of km/h is more tangible tbh

[stuck saffron]

actually I think these measurements are wrong

hold on

[void flume]

Something that's nice at least, I do believe Returns uses true pixel-locked movement, so there's no misalignment between a character and the pixels beneath them

could make a "pixels per hour" measurement system pretty reliable

[spring storm]

i dont know how much i believe that

pixels per hour would be too big

[void flume]

PPM is probably fair enough, I was just thinking speedometer at first

per minute, even

[stuck saffron]

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