ror-wiki-discussion

[granite flax]

i cant spawn in with 2147483649, but can spawn in with 2147483648 and stack past [...]49

[old summit]

Random question but do you think it would be possible to use an activatable to spawn in a different map?

[stuck saffron]

I think so, given we have judgement

[old summit]

True true

[granite flax]

even going to a different stage (tested with judgement) with more than 2147483648 didnt cause any errors (or even a long load time! only the initial spawn ever had the load time)

[stuck saffron]

nevermind it doesn't work

ah wait

might have it

it does work!

[old summit]

Atyyyy

[stuck saffron]

[
  "stage_load_next_room",
  "arena_Final9Temple.rorlvl"
],
[
  "stage_queue_next",
  "ror-templeOfTheElders"
],
[
  "stage_end"
]```basically just this

was missing the "stage_end" part

[old summit]

Fair otherwise you’d leave a lot of open things

[stuck saffron]

yeah, in judgement the next stage loads as soon as you step into a room, then on the last enemy's death "stage_end" triggers

even with 2 orbiters damage doesn't go up after leaving a stage

but it might be a quirk of trials and not representative of real gameplay

[old summit]

Does spawning in with more do anything?

[stuck saffron]

well I did spawn in with two actually so no

lol why did I focus on the teleporter and not just check my damage when spawning with 2

[old summit]

[stuck saffron]

it's 2 am 😭

[spring storm]

are you testing damage on judgement stages?

[stuck saffron]

no don't worry

that was just to test teleporting to other maps

damn decaying sample is horrible

time to test thallium 💀

holy shit I think it really scales based on enemy damage cause right now it's doing 1 per tick on the dummy

[old summit]

Delete this item immediately

Any idea about the 2x500%

[stuck saffron]

trying to test it, but it's tough because changing the dummy's damage doesn't change the damage

so I'm setting up another enemy to check

[spring storm]

armor?

oh it could be x_base

[stuck saffron]

also seems like the the debuff resets their speed for some reason

[stuck saffron]

tried with damage and damage_base

[old summit]

I wonder what the interaction with that and chains is

[void tinsel]

were you actually able to load into Prov Finale art prototype.rorlvl? i get a crash trying to start it

[stuck saffron]

maybe it doesn't like doing -150% * 0

[spring storm]

yeah i got a crash

[void tinsel]

weird

im trying to figure out how collision was stored and wanted to see if it had collision boxes

[void tinsel]

anyways heres what it looks like if anyone's curious

[old summit]

What tile set is that?

[void tinsel]

BackTiles1_ProvFinale and ProvFinale

[stuck saffron]

damn you've been working hard

[void tinsel]

well i'm getting somewhere

kind of

[past stratus]

Just search for mask in the assets, then align the origins.

[stuck saffron]

2*500% makes no sense with the values I'm getting

[spring storm]

it says upto

so thats the maximal

[old summit]

I remember the slow is scaling so the damage is scaling as well right

[stuck saffron]

I have no clue what's happening with the dmg tbh

it ramps up it seems

[past stratus]

sGolemBeer... Pardon?

[spring storm]

so thats what that food is

[old summit]

The problem will be does it get to the 2x500(or whatever it is) or will the last tick happen before it

[void tinsel]

the mask of what? the tileset?

[stuck saffron]

does 1 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 7 + 9 on a Rock Golem, which has 34dmg

[past stratus]

Excuse me?

Oh

You meant the collision of terrain and not the other gameplay objects.

[old summit]

Fuck it’s gonna be rounding

[stuck saffron]

if I keep firing and trigger the debuff again and again, the damage caps at 11 per tick

[spring storm]

just set your damage to like 100000 or whatever to get more "decimals"

[stuck saffron]

it's not based on player damage

[old summit]

Ye set the enemy damage to it

[spring storm]

oh yeah

[past stratus]

Nvm, no idea then. I don't seem to be able to find a core object that says "I'm the terrain".

[stuck saffron]

wait setting the damage to 1000 doesn't work

so there's variable for max damage or something

[old summit]

I just remembered we tested that

[stuck saffron]

or base damage

but we can set damage to 0 so it's probably max damage, like for HP

[old summit]

Try just setting all its stats up to see if it’s one of the ones we have access to

[stuck saffron]

looks like it might just be damage_base

[granite flax]

it may be scaling off of something else, like the global difficulty scaler

would be weird but its still "enemy damage" kinda

[stuck saffron]

yeah I'm getting one-shot it's damage_base

lmao

[eternal sage]

Do you know if there is a map size in the header, or maybe an offset? Some stages I see seem to use different origins. Some tiles have map coordinates that contain negatives, and others are all positive.

[old summit]

Have we been using damage base for the enemy stats 💀

[stuck saffron]

7 + 107 + 207 + 307 + 407 + 507 + 574 + 600 (cap) - with a damage_base of 1000

[stuck saffron]

shouldn't matter, damage = damage_base on when no scaling applies I think

I'll confirm after

[old summit]

What is the 74 doing?!?!?

[old summit]

That definitely would make sense

[spring storm]

vibing

[stuck saffron]

actually let me capture some footage cause the numbers are weird

[spring storm]

is the 2x part of the 2x500% happening?

[void tinsel]

yeah i just figured this out today, 0x12-0x19 of the header contains camera boundary info

| 0x12 - 0x13 | int16  | camera left boundary          |
| 0x14 - 0x15 | int16  | camera top boundary           |
| 0x16 - 0x17 | int16  | camera right boundary         |
| 0x18 - 0x19 | int16  | camera bottom boundary        |

it looks like the non-trial stages use a top-left of (0,0) but the trials have a variable top-left
basically to get the size of a stage you just add these points together

[stuck saffron]

here this is wack

[old summit]

If it’s using bonus damage damage popups at least we get those correct

[stuck saffron]

yup

[spring storm]

ah so by upto 500% it means it stacks to that amount

and its not 500%

[eternal sage]

Perfect, I figured it had to be in there somewhere!

[stuck saffron]

it says 2*500% over 3 seconds

[spring storm]

kinda

[old summit]

Does it seem like after you proc it again the new proc starts at where the old one is up to you as well?

Somewhat

[stuck saffron]

I get 2 ticks of dmg really fast sometimes

[stuck saffron]

and yeah I think that's correct

[old summit]

Ye that might be the second proc and then it syncs in underneath the other one

[spring storm]

prob nicer to have 10 stacks to be garenteed but this sure is odd

[stuck saffron]

still not sure about that damage calc

[stuck saffron]

I'll try

...

[spring storm]

how fun

dummy has 0 armor right?

[stuck saffron]

oh yeah I'll try back on the dummy since I know the proper stat now

[old summit]

So the first hit uses the current damage number it’s up to but also resets the duration maybe?

[spring storm]

set your damage to 0 so we can just get proc damage for hp bar

[stuck saffron]

I don't even know

[old summit]

Fuck I think each new proc is the damage that shows as the damage number but it’s got a ramping decimal that it uses

[stuck saffron]

seems to proc every 0.5s for a total of 6 procs over 3 seconds, and triggering it again prolongs the duration
max number is 600, or 60% of base_damage - 600x6 = 3600, which is nowhere close to 500%x2 of base_damage

so yeah I dunno

I'm gonna test the rest of the red items lol

[old summit]

yea this item is dumb

[stuck saffron]

oh no atg mk. 2 is lying to us

200% and not 300% total dmg

ruined

[old summit]

so its really atg mk.1.5

[stark nebula]

i beat stage 3 as han-d while staying at high health but the achievement didnt unlock

[old summit]

i think that one need high health the whole run but not 100% sure

[stark nebula]

im pretty sure i did that

[stuck saffron]

stopping the item tests for now

[eternal sage]

Thanks for the help! I finally got some good renders (that aren't off camera viewport). Just working on some camera movement now.

[stuck saffron]

Are you making a stage viewer?

Sorry if you already said, I blacked out while testing Thallium's damage

[eternal sage]

Both Kirbo and I have been yes. Kirbo’s is much more along and probably a better renderer. There also might be others, but I have borrowed some of their notes for parsing the rorlvl files.

[past stratus]

Huh? How can you have variable top-left?

Do you mean the camera's starting position?

[void tinsel]

its the boundaries which the camera can't go past

so as an example if the top left boundary point is (-10,-10) then the player can't see tiles past x=-10 and y=-10

the same applies to the bottom right

[past stratus]

Ah, so some rooms cannot be fully seen.

[void tinsel]

it seems to align with the tiles that actually exist, there isnt anything "out of bounds" so to speak

although theres definitely things that you cant get to normally, its just that the game wouldnt stop the camera from going there

[past stratus]

I'm unaware of GM letting you have different starting positions.

Hence why I was confused.

[void tinsel]

honestly i dont know anything about GM, ive never used it, but thats how i interpreted those values which seems to work for my map viewer

[past stratus]

Rooms always start at 0,0 on top-left, so it was strange to see "variable origin."

As far as I know, you can't set a room to start its origin somewhere else.

So those definitively have to be some manual boundaries for the camera.

[past stratus]

I wonder if I can help with anything.

[void tinsel]

i actually just published the tool i made to github if you want to try it out https://github.com/hmrrrrr/rorlvl-tools/tree/v0.1

should work with every stage minus the weird EMPTYSHIP one

[granite flax]

how come emptyship doesnt work? :o

[void tinsel]

it uses an invalid tileset that doesnt exist in the files

[past stratus]

But we managed to load it in before, no?

[void tinsel]

im not sure what it looks like ingame

[stuck saffron]

Not sure we tried this one

[granite flax]

it loads fine in-game

[void tinsel]

well its just broken enough for my program to break but i guess the game can handle it

[granite flax]

ive been there, its an undamaged and unfurnished version of the contact light

[void tinsel]

wait nevermind i just tried again it loads

still a little broken though

[past stratus]

The good old "It works when I ask the IT experts" but for RoRR maps.

[void tinsel]

lmao

[stuck saffron]

Nah it's "it works on my machine"

[void tinsel]

if anyone tries to use this lmk if you run into any issues my installation guide is not very helpful

[past stratus]

The installation guide is already more complete than the usual docs on other projects.

[eternal sage]

Time to go see what fields I’ve missed in my parser lol

[void tinsel]

you know i just now thought to search "risk of rain returns" on github and it looks like theres other projects that try to do this so i'm thinking the same thing

[stuck saffron]

What are they doing, not coming here to discuss this

[past stratus]

Talking of discussing: Elbry, wanna hop on vc and figure out the skill table together?

[stuck saffron]

Sorry, I'm in bed and going to sleep very soon

Wanna do it tomorrow?

[past stratus]

Sure

Ah yes, the standard EU sleep time.

[stuck saffron]

Lmao busted

Standard EU weekend sleeping time

[past stratus]

Bold of you to assume that I have a sleeping schedule like this only on weekends.

[stuck saffron]

I would probably collapse at my desk if I did this during the week

[eternal sage]

@void tinsel This file seems like it might have a lot of the rorlvl format, not sure if it's correct or not, but it matches some of the fields that we both have seen: https://github.com/steviegt6/rorr-mods/blob/master/src/ProvEdit/ProvEdit.yyp/extensions/ProvEditLib/LevelFormatLib.gml#L237

[hard gulch]

AE shnerds what are Robomando stat scaling because he doesn’t exist on the wiki yet

[tawdry oasis]

does there need to be an achievements tab

if it just redirects to challenges anyways

[old summit]

HP 80(+28) Regen 1.8(+0.18) Damage 15(+4) Armor 0(+2)

[granite flax]

confirmed: lemurian cavalry's boar (isolated) can jump/fall

[stuck saffron]

Now that I think about it there's probably a variable that just tells us this stuff

[keen mulch]

can jump = yes/no maybe?

[granite flax]

can_jump was a variable in ror1 i know that

though it was 0 or 1, naturally

[stuck saffron]

is google sheets down or something? I can't access the one with our test data

[past stratus]

I seem to be able to access it.

[sinful grail]

Should the fact that the rift chest appears in judgement be mentioned on the wiki?

Noticed that it currently isn't mentioned on the Risk of Rain stage, nor in the judgement page.

[stuck saffron]

oh yeah it works now

[sly crown]

has anbody tried extracting the data.win yet?

[stuck saffron]

it is mentioned on the risk of rain page, but it is called "Equipment Transfer Chest"

though you're right that should be corrected

[sinful grail]

Yes, but not that it shows up in the judgement trial.

[stuck saffron]

we can get sprites from it but not much else

[sly crown]

yeah, YYC is the problem i think

[stuck saffron]

yup

[stuck saffron]

true! anyone can edit the page, you can add a small note there if you want

[sinful grail]

Ah, can I? Will look again more carefully.

Hmm, would need to make an account.

[sly crown]

on what platforms is rorr currently released?

[stuck saffron]

PC and Switch

[sly crown]

there is a code branch pointing to xbox one and ps4 compatability

also a mod support switch, but i think mod support was confirmed already

[past stratus]

Code branch?

[sly crown]

not a code branch what am i saying 💀 a constant

might also just be default game maker

[past stratus]

Show

Absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about as of sudden.

[sly crown]

i'll just dm a picture

[hard gulch]

erm that regen and damage scaling is WILD

[stuck saffron]

regen is on the higher end but HAN-D has the same for instance (mercenary has more lol)

damage scaling is wild but his skills are trash to compensate

[hard gulch]

his skills are good tho(the special)

its like, the best ability

[stuck saffron]

yeah of course, I meant his damage skills

[hard gulch]

+3.6 speed or whatever

[hard gulch]

oh yeah lol, but i love the fish flop and its goofy momentum lol

[stuck saffron]

it is the funniest skill

[hard gulch]

true

and robomando secondary is his worst skill by far(fish flop is funny)

[grave rose]

what
it's basically his only source of direct damage

[hard gulch]

the primary has decent attack speed and has that scaling also items carry it

the secondary isnt bad tho, its stun and inf peirce is nice, just the range but its for being able to have an opening to escape or attack due to his hp being the lowest

[sly crown]

there are some shrine textures i havent personally seen in any of my runs, one is a man witha sscarf and the other is a man standing on a stone egg

[hard gulch]

oh fr? what do you think they might've done

[stuck saffron]

I've ran some tests with those

[sly crown]

really? what do they do?

[stuck saffron]

this one is like a large health shrine, takes an increasing amount of HP

[sly crown]

yes exactly

[stuck saffron]

gives you temporary boss items

don't remember how many

4 I think

then there's this one, which just self-destructs

and I don't know if there are others

[sinful grail]

Added the info to both pages.

[sly crown]

what is this one? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901215877075177533/1178344307384647821/scarf.png?ex=6575cda7&is=656358a7&hm=abe052c9512b33ce3405cdd9809ddd1bfa86db5b8d89391df8559eb4c0d0ac51&

[hard gulch]

kinda looks like a lynx totem, kinda

[stuck saffron]

thanks!

[stuck saffron]

this is a large health shrine, you can encounter it in runs

[sly crown]

oh ok

i have also found a picture of a lemurian witha gun in his hand

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901215877075177533/1178344960400031764/lemurgun.png?ex=6575ce43&is=65635943&hm=49456b91e620e2c9afa21be7c5f8f02481b7779a46b856711c07a8f64ee5f683&
maybe its an achievement, but i havent seen it myself

[hard gulch]

i want lemurian with a gun character, NOW!

[sly crown]

me too 😭

also a certain character ||(robomando)|| seems to have alt abilities as well as unused skins?

[hard gulch]

wait what wait what wait what

das my fav character

[sly crown]

i might also be wrong, so dot get your hopes up

[hard gulch]

i mean, its a secret character which is very weird to get and the only way to find out is somehow by chance, or by having someone tell you, and its only info outside of a run is a description of what it do and "what" so it makes sense why he has no alt abilities

but a judgement skin would be nice

[sly crown]

he hes additonal textures for ||a red skin||

[hard gulch]

o

[sly crown]

and i think its safe to confirm that i have found an alt ability

[spring storm]

i wonder if its programmed in enough that we could spawn in with it in trials

[stuck saffron]

they're probably just icons

CHEF has a couple of unused ones as well

[past stratus]

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions without sharing any of the stuff you fund.

We have probably already found it too, and perhaps even confirmed it since.

[sly crown]

i can but im trying to keep his existnece secret as much as possible

[sly crown]

yeah, you alreadsy have access to all the textures

[past stratus]

We literally have the page locked.

It's wiki.

We also edit and all of us knows.

Just spoiler it.

[stuck saffron]

just don't get your hopes up lol, if it didn't make it into the game there's probably no / non-functional code behind it

[hard gulch]

yeah but the idea that it became a concept atleast is interesting

[sly crown]

i shouldve saif that differently, i meant that the icon is tied to an alt ability

[hard gulch]

and it would be cool to see robomando as a full on character

[sly crown]

i found this ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901215877075177533/1178349558250602547/image.png?ex=6575d28b&is=65635d8b&hm=8b645a95a02242d4207c48c9c056e965f65def6921de389ca4a5e6d24f906864&|| but youve probably already seen it

[stuck saffron]

yup

[sly crown]

why is there a guitar symbol for the controller screen in local multiplayer? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901215877075177533/1178351157920403476/image.png?ex=6575d408&is=65635f08&hm=1d60f8362cf554cc819ec131bed4515af732e588d6c034f74df581da88967b4e&

[stuck saffron]

someone smarter than me figure out usb stick's damage formula lol

wait it's on the wiki

fuck

[shadow tusk]

maybe it can detect a guitar Hero controller?

[sly crown]

would be sick to kill providence with a sick riff 💀

[hard gulch]

isnt it just +20% damage per stack starting at 40% and capping at 80%?

[spring storm]

obviously not because those are his tested values

[hard gulch]

his as in providence?

[stuck saffron]

no

[vocal sapphire]

Definitely looks like a guitar hero controller, you can even see the buttons

[swift plinth]

@stuck saffron In case you hadn't tested it yet, Golden Gun scales up to double damage, not the 40% listed. The bar next to your character maxes out at 40%, though.

[stuck saffron]

I haven't yet no, thx for the info

[swift plinth]

Just in case you ever try testing it as well, the Wound effect from Commando's Combat Knife is bugged. See https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1177813712032247890

Something to note before going into it, is that damage modifiers stack multiplicatively, with displayed values depending on one-another in a particular preset order.

[sinful storm]

im in that thread!

[vivid laurel]

Currently uploading Chef's providence trial videos

then i'll move onto artificer, pilot, and drifter

[vivid laurel]

i love that they made a sprite for this

who on earth would try playing this with a guitar

[granite flax]

i mean, now that its been proposed......

[vivid laurel]

@granite flax Alrighty, every single Providence Trial video (except Judgement) should now be on the wiki

[granite flax]

hell yes!!!!! thanks so much, thats going to be incredibly useful for people :)

[civic heart]

Does anyone here know anything or feel like adding info about the level mechanics in rorr? I was trying to find some stuff about it for my Mocha and Miner hitless runs, but couldn't find any good info on it.

[void tinsel]

i just visualized the collision on ancient valley 2 and??? what is this???

is there a path to the center that you can get to with no mobility???????

[grizzled pasture]

Even still the drone page has no pictures

[void tinsel]

obviously having 99 photon jetpacks defeats the point but you get the idea

[past stratus]

It seems that someone forgot about something.

[past stratus]

WIP

Also

@stuck saffron hi

[granite flax]

yeah whenever im fighting overlords they always get stuck on them lol

also, probably worrth noting: explorer's key can't open the illegal shipment

[old summit]

@swift plinth just accepted the request

[swift plinth]

Auto Turrets deal 60% damage instead of 100%.

That explains some things

Turns out Intensity rules don't apply to turrets as well

Thought they were dealing 30% for a bit, since I was using it to get 10x damage numbers for testing.

[stuck saffron]

Just woke up lol

[past stratus]

I still did not even start sleeping yet.

[stuck saffron]

Oh wow you're fully nocturnal at this point

[past stratus]

[swift plinth]

@stuck saffron @old summit Not sure who's been testing ability damage, but make sure you do so with high enough damage to ensure precision. At level 1 without glass or intensity rules, damage can be rounded up significantly.

[old summit]

I haven’t been testing anything for a bit

[stuck saffron]

It was me, I'll redo it properly

[swift plinth]

No need for most tests

But if you have some that are only off by a small portion it'll matter

I saw a couple

Auto turret was one example

[swift plinth]

Oh, another thing; that sheet should be for individual damage instances or debuff applications, not total damage

e.g. Laser Turret should be one tick

I have no idea how many ticks it's supposed to apply though, haven't unlocked it yet

# of hits, firing rate, recharge, etc. will be handled in the other sheet (Animations)

[stuck saffron]

Are you not using a custom trial to do tests ?

[swift plinth]

Not for damage, because I wasn't sure how to get artifacts working

If I can just set my level very high that'd probably work though

[stuck saffron]

You can just set your base damage to 100

[swift plinth]

True

Only things I've tested since we had custom trials working was engie and HAN-D anyway

[swift plinth]

Updated relevant sheets and added named ranges for the damage calc

there's a little ambiguity between rate of fire and refresh for abilities without multi-hits or clip sizes on the animation page, but other than that it should be straightforward

Oh, multi-hit animations where the 3rd hit is different are also annoying and currently treated as one move with 2x effect 1 and 1x effect 2. Something will need to be done about Localized Sun and Toxic Bubble, too.

I'll deal with that later

[swift plinth]

Before I head out for the night, I also suggest renaming the spreadsheet, given it's used for a lot more than just DPS. May want to throw the build version in there as well.

[spring storm]

im guessing its for the prism

[past crow]

yo is the artifact of cognation correct when it says that cognitive enemies don't drop items from sacrifice

[vivid laurel]

They can technically drop items with clover

Since they’re classified as elites

[distant hazel]

The page also says that

[distant hazel]

I have never seen it and other people I’ve asked have never seen it

[tame current]

hey uh I just got a goat hoof from him

[winter crown]

Was that the only item you got?

Did you have a Clover?

Or the artifact that makes enemies drop items?

[tame current]

yes no and no

[distant hazel]

lmao I just learned how to use HAN-D's speed drone

and I never realized it because of the overhead HUD

how much attack speed does DRONE - SPEED give you

[void flume]

I believe it was tested as 10%, linearly

[distant hazel]

does all attack speed add together?

like drones and overclock and syringes

oh I found the posts

[void flume]

Overclock adds 30% to the stack, I'm actually unsure on syringes

I've heard a lot about diminishing returns on syringes, but maybe it just means adding 12% to like 300% attack speed matters less

[stuck saffron]

there is no diminishing returns on syringes (mathematically speaking at least), that's a myth
here I have 500 syringes, which gives 0.12*500 = 60 attack speed + 1 base attack speed

[void flume]

Ah, well there's that myth put the rest, then

[stuck saffron]

going above 60 attack speed does nothing but you're never gonna get to that point naturally lol

[distant hazel]

is that a challenge

[stuck saffron]

so, I restested some skills with 100 base damage on the characters

[distant hazel]

I think if I got a run with that much attack speed my switch would crash first

[stuck saffron]

engi alt turrets does 169/tick and hits 5 times

so 169%*5 = 845%

I am confused

[void flume]

There was some finicky stuff going on with engineer's turrets, right?

Something about not inheriting a value

[stuck saffron]

wait yeah actually

cause I'm testing with 1000 base dmg

and the turret did the same damage

-_-

so 169/12 would mean around 1400% damage per tick, but it's not influenced by engi's damage at all? so it doesn't scale with him? or the turret also levels with him and has its own base damage

[sinful storm]

Id imagine they level but dont get his dmg

[void flume]

I would guess the latter, because not scaling sounds like a dire alternative

[stuck saffron]

gonna grab the turret's stats

[void flume]

I guess try getting as close to 100 damage as you can from the dummy Lemurian?

[stuck saffron]

laser turret has 13 base damage, so different from engi

+4 per lvl

now to figure out the correct %

alright, laser turret does 1300% damage, but it's calculated off of its own damage stat, which starts at 13 and scales +4 / lvl

all in all pretty good

and regular turret's damage stat scales the same as engi's it seems

[stuck saffron]

new goal: find how high you can stack this

ok too much attack speed breaks acrid don't do drugs kids

136 syringes is his max

[stuck saffron]

mercenary's after images only do 50% of your attacks' damage 😭

[analog thunder]

more reason to use eviscerate ig

[sinful storm]

eh, clones still let you use aoe stuff while evis is purely single target

[distant hazel]

eviscerate is also an iframe

[sinful storm]

i've come do dislike evis used as iframe

because enemies still attack you even if they cant hit you, and you have 0 iframes the moment you stop slashing

meaning if you have your utility on cooldown you are kinda likely to get assblasted

[sweet ice]

You can jump during eviserate. This helps.

[tight depot]

Does the wiki have a section that compiles all the changes made between ror1 and r? I think it's a very interesting set of trivia and I keep stumbling upon people making new comparisons between the two games.

[stuck saffron]

not really, there's a game rules page but that's about it https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Game_Rules

[distant hazel]

Not yet

[tight depot]

Not exactly referring to additions, just stuff like changes to skills like turrets or snake eyes reworks

[distant hazel]

Yeah not yet

[stuck saffron]

tbh I don't think it'll be made

[tight depot]

Bugger

[stuck saffron]

well you could do it if you want but it seems like a lot of work compiling everything

[distant hazel]

The biggest problem is someone has to find every change

Ye

[stuck saffron]

and there's always a chance we miss stuff, etc.

[sinful storm]

Can you check what stats elite status gives to enemies using your custom trial shenanigans

unless you already got that info

[stuck saffron]

that's a thing I need to check yeah

can't rn though

[granite flax]

elites <3

[hexed viper]

you use it a bit differently than 2, its kind of his ranged attack in 1 with a pretty big targeting area so you can afford using it from further away, like after dashing through

[old summit]

We did a health check of them a while ago but that was before our new stat sheet

[astral berry]

Big ups to all the editors maintaining the Wiki. Thankful for you.

[spring storm]

there are diminishing returns for straight dps, 1 syringe gives you 112% dps compared to 0, 1.12/1.00 and 2 syringe gives you 110.7% dps compared to 1, 1.24/1.12

[stuck saffron]

I know, but I'm talking about attack speed only here, not its impact on DPS

I've seen a lot of misinformation on reddit where ppl say each new syringe gives you less attack speed than the last

[spring storm]

well from what he said adding 12% to 300% attack speed does matter less

[stuck saffron]

yeah ofc

just meant that the increase is the same every time, but yeah it does matter less the more you add

so, preliminary elite stats results:

• HP x 2.8
• damage x 1.9

blighted:

• HP x 7
• Damage x 3.2

weirdly, cognant elites seem to get a 30% attack speed increase on top of the regular elite buffs

gonna need to test with time scaling for possible armor values / to see if these values stay constant or evolve

and also test with different enemies, right now this is only for the rock golem

increases seem consistent across different enemies

[spring storm]

wiki has cognant saying "Has increased speed and further reduced cooldowns."

do they not have increased phmax?

[stuck saffron]

ah fuck I've been using the wrong value

phmax_base

didn't realize

25% speed increase it seems like

and blighted get a 35% speed increase 💀

[spring storm]

recheck frenzied

[stuck saffron]

yup

[spring storm]

blighted are so cool

[stuck saffron]

frenzied also gets speed + attack speed

and blighted gets the attack speed as well lol

[spring storm]

blighted takes 2 effects from blazing, frenzied, and volatile right? are you taking those into account

[stuck saffron]

ah

well then that fucks everything up

[spring storm]

like i have not played enough monsoon to know for sure

[stuck saffron]

nah you're right, I've seen blighted with blazing trails

[vale bramble]

ive seen em with electricity too iirc

(it sucks)

[stuck saffron]

so blazing gets a 20% speed buff, but a blighted with blazing only gets 10%

or it's 10% base and the blazing trail is the only thing that's added

ok can confirm the 10% is the base blighted increase

and getting the frenzied buff on top puts it at 35%

here's what I have so far, armor is gonna be annoying to test

do we even know which enemies have armor

or if they have it at all? might be player only idk

[old summit]

I don’t think I’ve seen any armor on enemies except the temple guards

[stuck saffron]

Alright well I'll test temple guards tomorrow! Thx

[old summit]

It’s specifically during its armor shield

So hopefully they like using it

[stuck saffron]

#1178823077509988524 message @granite flax why would you do this

[dense thicket]

Did anyone actually test to see if engi's turrets disappear after 30 seconds with ancient scepter?

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Engineer#Skills

[void flume]

It's in the lang file, interestingly

[dense thicket]

Really?

I haven't formally tested it yet because I still haven't gotten that custom trial working, but I recently played a game with ancient scepter and my turrets were fine

[stuck saffron]

These descriptions should be what's written in the game word for word

[void flume]

Interestingly, the scepter turret isn't colored whatsoever.

[stuck saffron]

And some of the stuff written in the game has mistakes in it

[dense thicket]

I noticed

[stuck saffron]

So yeah that's probably what happened here, should add a line in the skill notes section saying the description is wrong

[void flume]

I'm more leaning toward how the RoR2 wiki does it, correcting mistakes in the heading post and showing the in-game incorrect values as an additional note

[past stratus]

[granite flax]

the devs HATE boars for some reason. lemurian cavalry's boar doesnt have a name, no non-boss boars can ever be elite, theres no toxic beast item, boarlits get no log

its just so unjust

[granite flax]

dont forget the money/xp bonus, and their cdr

[spring storm]

it is very sad that like 3 bosses dont have their own items

[vale bramble]

toxic beast item: goat hoof 2: boar hoof

[swift plinth]

Are you sure about this? I'll have to double check but I saw 400%

From one rocket

[eternal sage]

Would anyone be interested in json formated parses of the rorlvls? I have been able to parse through all stages and trials. Some fields may be a bit off and there are some unknown byte fields here and there. But it's certainly enough to render and see the collisions similar to what Kirbo's work via a Tiled extension.

Example for sunkenTombs_1.rorlvl

[stuck saffron]

I'll double check

[swift plinth]

There's a good chance I made a mistake, but a slight possibility that the 3 rockets aren't identical

Totally forgot to go back and check myself until now

[smoky juniper]

why would they not be identical

that would be so silly

[swift plinth]

Nah, nevermind, you're right.
No idea how I got 400%, but it was when testing some Wound shennanigans anyway

[swift plinth]

Merc M1s are supposed to be identical

Though yes

[smoky juniper]

they aren’t…?

[swift plinth]

Nah Elbry tested them, third hit deals 1.5x the damage of the first two swings

According to what they wrote, which is precise to half a percent

Which looks like the wildest damage value yet

[stuck saffron]

With 1000 base damage, first two hits do 1150, last one does 1725

Go figure

[granite flax]

i love crazy damage

[stuck saffron]

Commando's primary on the wiki was listed as 120% damage 🤨

[old summit]

It’s somehow been 120% since the start

[swift plinth]

I should have expected this, but "damaging up to 3 enemies" in the description for Laser Sword is total nonsense, it's just a regular AoE

Either that or it hits way more than 3

[stuck saffron]

loader's alt m2 is weird

loader himself has a damage hitbox during the animation that deals 500% dmg (vs 350% from the description)

and there's a big AOE around the impact that deals 166.7% damage

or 1/3 of the 500% damage, however it's calculated

[vivid laurel]

btw the maplestory reference goes a bit deeper in boar beach's log if anyone didn't notice this

towards the end it says "EXCEPTION CCPLS"

"cc pls" is a common colloquial term used by maplestory players that's short for "Change channels, please"

which basically is the equivalent of asking someone to leave your map

[swift plinth]

166.7%???

[stuck saffron]

haha that's fun

[stuck saffron]

I shit you not

[swift plinth]

I should have been using 1000 base damage this whole time, huh

Just in case

[vivid laurel]

i would add this to the trivia but its nearly 5 am and i have no idea how to even word this factoid

[stuck saffron]

I might try 10k just for this lol

[spring storm]

this means we should be testing for 10k yeah

rounding moment is scary

[swift plinth]

If you find there are multiple hitboxes just make a new entry for the other one

[stuck saffron]

16.667 dmg off of 10k

[swift plinth]

Short Circuit 1, Short Circuit 2

[stuck saffron]

so yeah, rounding moment

[swift plinth]

lol

[stuck saffron]

will do

[spring storm]

500/3 is such a cool damage

[swift plinth]

absolutely beautiful

[granite flax]

500/3 LOL??

truly something else

[stuck saffron]

I added it

[stuck saffron]

let's see what CHEF has in store for us

I'm scared of the glazed thing tbh

[stuck saffron]

alright CHEF testing done!

• slice is 125% and not 120%
• glazed bonus from boosted secondary is 156% and not 78%
• no glazed bonus difference from boosted utilities
• cook does 50% dmg per hit and not 80%

and here's what I found for cook items

[void flume]

Stacking increases the eyeball range, if you didn't notice that

Not sure if you just didn't write it down though, as it's not relevant to the numerical stats

[spring storm]

it kinda is, but hard to test

[stuck saffron]

ah right, should have written that down

don't really know how to test range yeah

[void flume]

Barbed wire has a 1 meter range

Whether that's radius or from the character though, potential new question

[spring storm]

i kinda doubt they are using units properly tbh

maybe they are and im bad at judging from the speed bit idk

[stuck saffron]

the logical thing would be 1m = the length of a block? (like on this image) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172239399606554645/1178511507030540318/image.png?ex=6576695e&is=6563f45e&hm=ed57d92355907e6fd49b4da736a8335ec1a74b0dbdfb31020b58f338434ce9b1&

[spring storm]

how many pixels per block is that?

[granite flax]

32

[granite flax]

is golem essence barrier definitely based on max hp?

[stuck saffron]

barrier goes up to 50% of my health bar regardless of if I have 100HP or 9999HP

but, I think it's not strictly 50% of max HP, it's 50% of HP not already covered by a barrier

I am not sure though

[granite flax]

i meant more max health vs. current health, mostly from curiosity

[stuck saffron]

ah gotcha

I'll test

[spring storm]

so loader moves 2.4 pixels/frame corrosponding to 24km/h i like seconds lets use them 24/(3.6*60) m/frame=0.11m/frame repeating. 2.4 pixels/frame turning into m/frame we get 2.4/36(assuming above is true)=0.066 repeating. now lets find a meter 2.4/x=24/(3.6 60), x=(3.6 60 2.4)/24 x=21.6 pixels is a meter, now how tall are people connonically and in game i wonder

maybe i messed up converting imaginary units is odd

[stuck saffron]

hold up loader might have decimal speed

[stuck saffron]

seems to be max HP

and yeah I think it's just 50% max HP, but ofc barriers caps at your max health

[spring storm]

commando is 22 pixels tall

short boy

[stuck saffron]

short king 👑

[spring storm]

that cancels out all that matters is the conversion between pixels/frame to km/h being a multiple of 10

[granite flax]

would it not be better to measure using barbed wire, which we know the size of for a fact?

[stuck saffron]

yeah but I mean lizards for instance have like 21.60 speed after a times 10

but loader does have 2.4 exactly so you're good

[stuck saffron]

yeah

[spring storm]

yeah its a good idea but im just saying there is likely conflicts which is sad

maybe not

[granite flax]

i would be surprised if there were any conflicts in the measuring system

i would not be surprised, however, if there were mistakes or inaccuracies in some of the listed distances

[stuck saffron]

also that "1 meter" figure might be completely arbitrary

[spring storm]

someone start counting pixels between activation range of barbed wire with target dummys(i dont have a test env setup)

[stuck saffron]

might just mean "1 barbed wire range" without any correlation to anything else

[spring storm]

we also have the explorers key to work off of

[granite flax]

then, we test barbed wire and then we test one other thing with a "confirmed meter" length, and compare them

ideally theyd match. really we should be testing 3 or 4 things

caustic climb might be a good point to look at, considering that 70 meter goal will be defined in the trial info

[spring storm]

do we have heights for survivors?

[granite flax]

not in meters

[spring storm]

robomando is 16pixels(excluding antenna thingy)

["score_set", ["*", ["-", ["/", ["get", ["get_player"], "y"], 32], 115.4], -1]]
uh oh

conflicts

spooky

[tough vigil]

Hello, im new here and i'm currently trying to 100% the game.

I just added some infos on the wiki, would it be too much to ask for someone to check if i kept the formats correct?
I mostly added environment logs and artifact locations, i tried to follow what i saw already on the wiki.
Additionally I added the location of the bloated survivor, however i'm unsure if that was the correct place to add it.

Sorry in advance if i did something i shouldn't was just trying help.

[granite flax]

lol, im reading all that section trying to decipher it

[spring storm]

you divide y height by 32

so meter=32pixels

[granite flax]

yeah ill check it out! :)

[tough vigil]

thanks 🙂

[stuck saffron]

this red line is 128px

[spring storm]

so they lazily did a conversion from phmax to km/h how dare they

and then barbed wire does not match

the horror

ig test with explorers key is needed

[spring storm]

how much does it increase per stack? maybe they meant to say 2 meters

[stuck saffron]

this item is so weird

if I make the dummy enter the range indicated by the circle

then the range for the dummy to leave barbed wire's effect is larger than it was going in

like look at this

[granite flax]

actually u know what lemme pester a dev about this one

[stuck saffron]

lmao thank you

[stuck saffron]

I think the goal was to eventually have these locations on the stage variants images, but it's good to have them on the pages for now, so thanks

[granite flax]

ive got most of them in the big maps, im just missing a bunch of the logs since i can no longer get images of them myself

actually did i ever even send my missing stuff list here

text dump incoming

MISSING:

• Desolate Forest 2

• Environment Log

• Desolate Forest 3

• Environment Log

• Desolate Forest 4

• Mu Construct

• Desolate Forest 5

• Environment Log

• Dried Lake 1

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Dried Lake 2

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Dried Lake 3

• Artifact

• Dried Lake 4

• Environment Log

• Dried Lake 5

• Environment Log

• Dried Lake 6

• Environment Log

• Damp Caverns 1

• Environment Log

• Damp Caverns 2

• Environment Log

• Damp Caverns 3

• Environment Log

• Damp Caverns 5

• Environment Log

• Damp Caverns 6

• Environment Log

• Sky Meadows 3

• Environment Log

• Sky Meadows 4

• Environment Log

• Sky Meadows 5

• Environment Log

• Sunken Tombs 2

• Environment Log

• Sunken Tombs 4

• Environment Log

• Ancient Valley 1

• Environment Log

• Ancient Valley 2

• Environment Log

• Ancient Valley 3

• Environment Log

• Ancient Valley 6

• Environment Log

• Boar Beach

• Environment Log

• Magma Barracks 1

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Magma Barracks 2

• Artifact

• Magma Barracks 3

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Magma Barracks 6

• Environment Log

• Hive Cluster 1

• Environment Log

• Bloated Survivor

• Hive Cluster 2

• Environment Log

• Bloated Survivor

• Hive Cluster 3

• Environment Log

• Hive Cluster 4

• Environment Log

• Bloated Survivor

• Hive Cluster 5

• Environment Log

• Bloated Survivor

• Hive Cluster 6

• Environment Log

• Bloated Survivor

• Temple of the Elders 1

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Bloated Survivor

• Temple of the Elders 2

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Temple of the Elders 3

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Temple of the Elders 4

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Temple of the Elders 5

• Artifact

• Temple of the Elders 6

• Environment Log

• Artifact

• Risk of Rain 1

• Environment Log

• Risk of Rain 2

• Environment Log

thats every thing im missing for the full maps, artifacts i can get i just havent yet

environment logs i am unable to get

[stuck saffron]

128 - 312 - 360 - 416 are the measurements I get for 1 -4 stacks of barbed wire

[stuck saffron]

wow that's a lot

[granite flax]

🥹 i got a lot of logs very quick when the game came out

[stuck saffron]

#ror-wiki-discussion message damp caverns 1 is here

#ror-wiki-discussion message and sky meadows 5 is in this bunch

[spring storm]

the wiki should prob just scale everything in distance to 32pixels=1m

6*phmax=km/h in that case, probably

then gotta notate that somewhere

[stuck saffron]

nah our basis should be the speed listed in the logs imo

[spring storm]

caustic climbs height indicator is why i think but yeah maybe

[stuck saffron]

actually that's also dumb cause the logs say km/h but it's obviously not km/h, right? I mean it wouldn't make sense with the barbed wire "1 meter" measurements I think lol

[spring storm]

if we go by barbed wire measurement robomando is 0.25m by caustic climb 0.5m by speed 0.74m tall

[stuck saffron]

[spring storm]

we could go by whatever makes robomando the cutest

ignore that the description is wrong anyway

gonna be so neat when explorers key is gonna be different somehow

[stuck saffron]

don't even wanna test it

[spring storm]

consitency in distance is illegal

[granite flax]

do not list any heights and scales until we have a definitive answer, please

[distant hazel]

me checking recent changes

what makes a page a stub

spoiler pages are being marked as stubs

[stuck saffron]

guessing this was a bad copy paste that wasn't noticed

fixed

[distant hazel]

looks good now 🙏

[eternal sage]

@stuck saffron would this be of any help? #ror-wiki-discussion message

[stuck saffron]

I'm not sure :/ Might be useful to get the last logbook locations for Gummy? but I have no way to see what the coordinates correspond to on the actual stage

[eternal sage]

Fair enough

[tough vigil]

why are you unable to get them? and what would you need in order to fill them in?

[stuck saffron]

cause she collected them already and didn't screenshot the locations

[tough vigil]

ahhh so what is the best way to help? send screenshots?

[stuck saffron]

I think so yeah

[tough vigil]

do you have access to the images i uploaded or should i send them here as well? you only need the location right? to then add in the big maps

[granite flax]

i do, thanks so much! ill fill in what gaps these fill :D

[old summit]

@past stratus you’re all good to edit

[past stratus]

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron can blighted not be blazing? your testing does not have that bit, and frenzied+blazing

[stuck saffron]

From what I saw blazing blighted do not inherit the speed buff from blazing

[spring storm]

odd

[stuck saffron]

Maybe I'm wrong? I'll check again tomorrow

[dense thicket]

Is there a list of inconsistencies with the item descriptions and their actua effects?

[stuck saffron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SzZ7N4eyVctU1qqhQvI1P_FqlC2iJoMEzER9LFxjjxA/edit?usp=sharing
For now there's this Google sheet, on the "Damage Items" tab

Wiki will be updated Soon™

[dense thicket]

Neat

Also, what's the difference between damage and TOTAL damage

[stuck saffron]

Total damage means it scales off of the damage of the attack that procced it

[past stratus]

Damage is your damage stat, TOTAL damage is damage that you actually dealt with the triggering attack.

[old summit]

Honestly it almost requires an entire page to describe all the damage types

[stuck saffron]

So ATG missiles hit harder if they come from a strong attack

[dense thicket]

So if my character does 20 damage with one attack, 200% TOTAL damage would be 40?

[past stratus]

Yes

[dense thicket]

ok

[swift plinth]

For Crowbars, Golden Gun, The Toxin and other items that multiply damage it probably does

I still don't know the order they're listed in, but somehow Acrid's alt primary comes after The Toxin in the order, despite being included in the white damage number

Flashbang before toxin before golden gun before perfect reload
Don't know where acrid's fits in there but it's after toxin
Also haven't tested crowbar yet

Wound is cursed and special

[stuck saffron]

And wound multiplies all those?

[stuck saffron]

Oh

[vivid laurel]

@granite flax for the Judgment trial playthrough video, is there anything specific you want me to do? Like which character, should I do all stages, go for a gold time, etc

[swift plinth]

Based on what Dee said, wound takes all of them into account to determine its damage.
Then, because wound counts as a new hit, you go through it all again with that new damage number as though it came directly from you.

[stuck saffron]

What the fuck

[sinful storm]

hehehe knife..

[swift plinth]

See I figured that it should either be based on %TOTAL like proc items, or that it shouldn't proc things itself.
Dee clearly indicated it's meant to proc things, but I wonder if it scaling off all those modifiers in the first place was taken into consideration when they designed it

[swift plinth]

It is a very funny knife

[old summit]

Ye so wound is BOTH an extra hit and a multiplier on the hit itself

[stuck saffron]

That's absurd lol

[sinful storm]

and wound stacks..

[swift plinth]

Step 1: Get one or two golden guns
Step 2: Get three toxins
Step 3: Get a backup mag
Step 4: 10x damage

[sinful storm]

It does explain why i could kill blighted bosses with like 3 or 4 knife slashes

[stuck saffron]

Knife + shotgun to the face for extra procs

[swift plinth]

I'm thrilled this is intentional

[stuck saffron]

Commando goes kinda crazy

[sinful storm]

Shotgun carries early game so that you can become a knife maelstrom in late game

Also according to a lil bit of testing i did i thought each wound is its own stack with own expiration but no it seems applying a new one refreshes it

So technically infinite* scaling

[granite flax]

for now, commando all stages is best! would be nice to have a video for each survivor (eventually) though

[old summit]

Moreso a good run than forcing a rush for gold imo

[vivid laurel]

Alrighty

[stuck saffron]

Good luck

[tough vigil]

Okok if i find any more that you are missing ill just send them here 🙂

[granite flax]

thanks so much ^-^

[vagrant geode]

tf does this mean

[sinful grail]

Probably that the "X"s need to be replaced with the actual numbers, but people are currently unsure what those are.

[old summit]

we are still testing all the stats so those are just placeholder

[vagrant geode]

got it

so it's not a constant increase huh, otherwise it would've been much easier to measure that

or am I tripping

[old summit]

heres the prelim multipliers but the rest still need confirmation

[stuck saffron]

oh yeah I still need to figure out gold and exp

😢

[old summit]

i love looking over at my other monitor and seeing ??? entered into the testing sheet

[stuck saffron]

that blighted gold value is throwing me off lol

it's not a clean multiple of the base value

[old summit]

thats a bad number

[stuck saffron]

yeah

ah

it's a rounding issue

second one gave me 335

now I'm paranoid

[old summit]

thats still such an odd number what

[stuck saffron]

are other values decimals as well

nooooooooo

[old summit]

[stuck saffron]

base gold is actually 9 though

what

the values are worse now 😢

I hate this

[old summit]

its so baaaad

[stuck saffron]

there must be something I'm missing

[old summit]

the only thing i can think of is does the elite modifier for gold scale differently

[granite flax]

and the cooldown reduction!!

[stuck saffron]

that's attack speed!

[granite flax]

nuh uh theyre different

elites have bonus attack speed and also cdr

big fat asterisk i think

[stuck saffron]

huh

well I have no idea how to get that :/

[granite flax]

youre just getting these by printing variables right

[stuck saffron]

yeah

[old summit]

what would be affected that isnt basic attacks

[stuck saffron]

cooldowns are handled by alarms in GM right?

[granite flax]

hrm i guess that is pretty useless unless we can figure out what each variable is

[granite flax]

i believe so, but the cooldown reduction (in ror1, at least) is a separate variable

maybe just print like the first 20 and spawn a lemurian, and then do it again but give the lemurian an alien head

and see which one changes i guess

then we can figure out which slot cdr is

[stuck saffron]

I don't just have an array of variables, I have to explicitely specify which one I want to print

but I think there's a "cdr" variable

no clue if it's used by elites though

[granite flax]

oh i thought it was just an array

[stuck saffron]

will check

[old summit]

extend the shop to 20

[granite flax]

its almost certainly cdr haha

[stuck saffron]

https://saturnyoshi.gitlab.io/RoRML-Docs/misc/variables_actor.html I've been using this for a lot of the testing, variable names are largely the same as in RoR 1

and cdr is in there as what's being used by Alien Head

alright yeah that's it

[granite flax]

yeah thats where all my knowledge comes from :) i was/am a ror1 modder so most of my guesses are informed from that

love the rorml docs <3

[stuck saffron]

oh I didn't know, that's cool

[keen mulch]

They really did put a dead huntress on the ost cover huh

[stuck saffron]

blighted enemies have 50% cdr 💀

[granite flax]

evil !

[stuck saffron]

so here's the completed stats

I'm still confused by the gold scaling

[void flume]

Ooh that is quite a meatball, huh

Experience isn't actually scaled by elite status?

[stuck saffron]

nope!

doesn't seem so

gonna need to figure out these guys' deal at some point also

[sinful storm]

are those imp friends

I can tell you what 2 of them do for sure

one of them (blue I believe) makes enemies drop gold as if he had the money bag active item on him at all times

and the orange one has behemoth on hit

[granite flax]

i havent seen any of them say their names/speak at all in rorr

am i blind or is it not there

[stuck saffron]

the lines are there in the lang file

[stuck saffron]

would be black if it follows the same logic as RoR1

but yeah I'll need to test it

[sinful storm]

its still funny when you tell ppl there are different imps from tentacle and they are like "..what?"

[stuck saffron]

tbh I've never looked too closely at the imps

I'm not surprised ppl don't know

[spring storm]

and tentacle does not allow you to spawn them all at once by stacking :(

[sinful storm]

i feel like it'd get clutter-y

[granite flax]

no i mean in-game

in ror1 lines of dialogue would actually appear above their heads

[stuck saffron]

yeah yeah I got that, just saying the lines are there

but maybe they're not used in rorr :/

[granite flax]

yeah ive not seen em at all..

i try to look out for them but im like... still fighting LOL

[stuck saffron]

yeah I'm not seeing any text

I have their stats though

[hexed viper]

mm never seen the imps talk yeah

[spring storm]

could prob see it by giving an enemy the item and sniper looks at it, cant really happen in game though

[hexed viper]

also do we have a way to decompile the game now?

ive been missing the past week or so

[stuck saffron]

nope

[hexed viper]

or look at the code in some way

[stuck saffron]

also no

[tame current]

has anyone found a way to swap fixed interactibles in levels? trying to swap a chest for a drone

[stuck saffron]

we mean text lines that appear above their heads

[spring storm]

ik

[stuck saffron]

but might be a good idea to get the imp's names lol

[stuck saffron]

interactibles that aren't defined in the trials file?

you could just despawn the chests and spawn a drone, or make the chest give you a drone

sniper doesn't want to target the imps 😢

[spring storm]

oh yeah, how do sniper targetting work

[stuck saffron]

I think it just targets the enemy with the highest health

but obviously, needs testing

[tame current]

ye that's what I'm trying to do but has someone already figured that stuff out so I don't have to spend like 2 hours researching it?

more specifically I'm trying to swap the dried lake 2 fixed chest with a broken tier 2 beam drone to cheese the stupid engi unlock for testing purposes

[stuck saffron]

ah what I'm doing only works in trials

can't modify the rorlvl files directly, which is what this would require

[tame current]

in theory I just need the id which appears to be like ror:id

[stuck saffron]

well maybe we can but I don't know how

[tame current]

you can modify some bits of them and luckily this includes the bit that I need

I might be able to use the assets to get the drone id

oh wait

[stuck saffron]

beam drone is Drone8

[tame current]

I might be able to do this with a hex editor

[stuck saffron]

can you replace Chest1 with Drone8 in these files?

[tame current]

I can

[stuck saffron]

or I guess it would be Drone8Item

for the broken one

[tame current]

testing if it works

[stuck saffron]

otherwise it might crash your game lol

or just spawn a drone that doesn't belong to u

[tame current]

ayyyy

might still crash on pick up but I'll have to test that when I get back

[stuck saffron]

heh I don't think so it's just a regular drone

[tame current]

sometimes I noticed objects have special attributes

also the secret pilot skin can't even be save edited in right?

[stuck saffron]

no clue :/

[stuck saffron]

lmao just saw this, @granite flax you doing okay?

[granite flax]

LOL yeah. im fine i was just bein funny

[stuck saffron]

one day the funny robot gnome will be free

[old summit]

i tried to load it in in the trials (same as the childs prov skin)

[tame current]

did it work?

[old summit]

nope

[tame current]

yep it works... fuck you achievement

[distant hazel]

I don’t start problems

I only add fuel

[tame current]

Do we know the exact difference between the difficulties? Are they the same as ror2

[distant hazel]

the game is balanced around rainstorm

drizzle is easy, monsoon is hard

(no we don't really know yet)

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax Hive Cluster #5

[tame current]

I see

the one thing I noticed is that on monsoon the providence phase 4 starting attack spawns two additional pillars

[clear cargo]

has it not been long enough for robomando to be added to the wiki?

i mean, if you go online at all you basically will find evidence of his existence

(whether that be online lobbies or just generally researching the game, the latter will do it way faster though)

[stuck saffron]

Dried Lake #2 @granite flax

[distant hazel]

I was finally suggested a reddit thread that just named him

the idea of hiding spoilers on a wiki was never not silly

people avoiding spoilers won't check a wiki

[sinful storm]

I wish I could look up which levels had shards without it telling me where

because Id like to not waste time looking for smth taht dont exist, but I dont wanna be told where to look

is that goofy?

[distant hazel]

hmmmmmm

the character pages have it

[tame current]

if you want here's a list:

Tutorial (Bandit)
Desolate Forest 3 (Commando)
Dried Lake 3 (Artificer)
Sky Meadow 2 (Loader)
Ancient Valley 2 (Drifter)
Boar Beach (Acrid)
Magma Barracks 2 (Huntress)
Risk of Rain (any variant, Acrid & Mercenary)

[sinful storm]

:o

[tame current]

the pilot prism skin is currently unimplemented and not even save editing will get you that one

[sinful storm]

thanks now I know Im missing 3

[tame current]

[sinful storm]

not the mantis..

[tame current]

btw in case you didn't know Ancient Valley 2 is the one that goes to Boar Beach so getting stage can net you two prisms in one

[sinful storm]

o i got those two already Im mising the risk of rain acrid one which I have no idea where could be, the bandit one and loader

all 3 of which I have no clue 🐈

[tame current]

if you want I got hints

[sinful storm]

if I get overly stuck

my biggest issue is I have no clue what variant Im on most of the time

wait!!, loader is sky meadow 2

thats the only one i dotn have a log for and I know where the log is i just never got it

thats perfect reminded!

[tame current]

the only variant that matters is sky meadow which is one of the variants that has the artifact of spite in it

[spring storm]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Ancient_Valley they sure do list them

[distant hazel]

without telling me where

the stage links tell him exactly where

[spring storm]

oh thats what he wanted

[spring storm]

allegedly cremators can block damage from back, wonder how they coded that bit

[granite flax]

an x coordinate comparison between the cremator and the damage source + an xscale check, mayhaps

[vivid laurel]

i kinda wish the skins had official names

the closest we got is the prism skins which maybe have names since the challenges do

hmm i will suggest this in feedback

[cobalt island]

So has anyone else seen the big pot shrines in Temple of the Elders? Don't see them on the wiki yet

[distant hazel]

not me

[past stratus]

Do you mean the interactables?

[distant hazel]

2:54 - 4:54

[past stratus]

They summon imp overlords and give you some legendary items when you defeat them.

They are still not on?

I guess I can easily fix that.

[distant hazel]

so it took 120 seconds for this guy's 15 Goat Hooves to go down to 14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFwbNG_FgMw

[cobalt island]

I didn't quite get to the part about defeating them and a run I had recently was the first one I'd seen of them. They are stupid rare I guess

[granite flax]

they spawn in hive cluster too, and it should be noted that the overlords are always elite!

reward is 2 random legendaries, dont have to match

[cobalt island]

I got overloaing so I was doomed, good to know though

[distant hazel]

leeching lemurian, honor, 10 seconds, 221 HP

volatile trokk, 18 seconds, 660 HP

still makes sense to me

wait nvm

oh no wait that is right cuz last time I tested elite health it was with boss spawns not with honor

so it's consistent

[finite ruin]

Anyone know where I can find accurate, detailed information (such as in-game stats and damage values on skills) about that one secret character we’re apparently forbidden from mentioning on the wiki?

[granite flax]

why would we add information to the wiki that sounds so sillu

his stats are:
HP 80(+28) Regen 1.8(+0.18) Damage 15(+4) Armor 0(+2)

[vagrant geode]

what secret character

there is no secret character

[stuck saffron]

there is no secret character in risk of rain returns

[frosty yoke]

is there a non-fandom wiki somewhere that's crowded out on search results? it fills me with sadness, I despise seeing them for so many games. their UI is shit.

[old summit]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_Wiki

[frosty yoke]

oh this is specifically the returns game. what about risk of rains 2

I'll see myself out

eh. ror2 wiki links here for some reason

[stuck saffron]

what?

[frosty yoke]

https://discord.com/invite/riskofrain2
leads here

[stuck saffron]

yeah this is a general ror server

[old summit]

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/559901542787055636

[stuck saffron]

ror2 is just below

[frosty yoke]

can the ror2 one be moved over too?

[old summit]

im pretty sure they are just starting the process of moving it over

ye here it is

[frosty yoke]

oh. I see that now. coming from the ror2 wiki with an invite link specifically for riskofrain2 I only looked as far as "wiki" without realizing it was separated that way

[acoustic flume]

I just noticed that attack speed actually affects Artificer's primary and ive been getting the wrong items on her up until now.

[spiral moat]

Attack speed also increases ticks of her Flamethrower for more damage, haven't tested how much needed for additional ticks, just a quick test using energy cell Flamethrower at full hp and then Flamethrower at low hp in Final trials second stage and low HP Flame thrower killed while full HP didn't (Test targets were the 2 frenzied sand crabs)

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:SkillBox is this any good 😦

[distant hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

how do you do things with charges

put it in notes?

[stuck saffron]

probably replace "xs CD" with "xs CD / charge" or "xs CD / skill_icon"

[granite flax]

ogghhh this is awesome elbry u are carrying this wiki

i think the icons could be a teensy bit bigger, maybe?

[stuck saffron]

better now?

[stuck saffron]

if anyone has ideas on how to improve this lmk

[swift plinth]

I like it. Any chance we could detect screen width and put the animation/details to the right of the box if it's wide enough?

Or is this just for mobile?

[void flume]

I'm wondering if it's necessary to have Hide as the default option, some details on skills are pretty important, like corrections from in-game descriptions or hidden use cases

I don't imagine any skills would exceed at most 4 extra notes, so it shouldn't take up too much screen space or look too out of place, right?

[swift plinth]

It'd be rare, but I can think of a couple

Depends how detailed we want to get though

[keen mulch]

Hello, I mentioned before that the ror1 and ror2 wikis are forking over to wiki GG. Sadly, most of those wikis were pretty inactive and it seems like there might not be a big change in that when the wikis go live, so I was wondering if any of you would like to work on them when they go live. Mostly rewriting and rearanging stuff for SEO reasons, but more could be done if preferred.

[stuck saffron]

I think it would mean a lot of text on the page at once if we do this for all the skills, which might be a bit much

[stuck saffron]

probably possible yeah, but might not look good if the notes for a skill get too long

it would push the other skills down and create ugly empty spaces I think

[void flume]

I think if we keep conjecture out and tips to their own section, making sure corrections and interactions are displayed won't cause enough clutter to feel messy or too much at once. I'm only one opinion, though

[stuck saffron]

I could maybe put 2 skill boxes side by side on larger screens though

[stuck saffron]

yeah maybe you're right, it's something to test for sure

[stuck saffron]

maaayyybe if I have time, but I'll be focusing on the rorr wiki first

[swift plinth]

There's questions of firing rate, charge rate, unlisted damage values, piercing type (AoE/Full, Full with Single Proc, Not Piercing, Bullet Piercing), and corrections.
AoE size, projectile speed, and more detailed timing information, e.g. if and when the ability can pause the recharge timer, may be better off omitted (not that we have good info on those anyway).

Here are some potentially difficult abilities to handle:
Shrapnel Grenade (has clip size, firing rate, reload time, both firing rate and reload affected by Protect and Serve)
Flame Chakram (has two different types of damage sources with different piercing types, neither one fully explained by description. Unique recharge mechanic. Animation / tick rate affected by attack speed).

Also, minor grievance, but sometimes an ability's firing rate isn't perfectly consistent. I've seen some randomly take 1 more or 1 less frame between shots occasionally.

Not relevant to the wiki discussion, but it means my frame timing may not perfectly reflect the "true" firing rate

[stuck saffron]

some of these (piercing type notably) could go into the box

[swift plinth]

Chakram has a damage source that pierces but can only proc on the first hit, and hits all enemies twice, plus another damage source that does not pierce and inflicts burn 5 times

How do

[distant hazel]

you type that in "details"

[swift plinth]

That still ain't enough
I didn't even list timing info or cumulative damage

[distant hazel]

you make a page called Artificer/Skills

[swift plinth]

Maybe a full page called "Flame Chakram"

(I joke)

[distant hazel]

all the box itself needs is what the game says, alternate versions, cooldown, charges, the ordinary at-a-glance stuff

and then details is where you say "actually, the game lies"

oh yeah don't forget you need to make a page called Commando/Knife

[swift plinth]

Elbry is probably right about piercing, though. From what I can tell there are only 4 categories, 5 if you give Glaive and Epidemic special treatment.

None, Full, Full (single proc), Bullet, Bounce

[swift plinth]

That can be described pretty succinctly, it's just that people won't realize the implications

[spiral willow]

MEN

🗣️

[distant hazel]

same

[swift plinth]

"When an enemy inflicted with N stacks of Wound takes damage from a hit which can trigger on-hit effects, it takes an additional hit for N x 50% TOTAL damage. This hit can trigger on-hit effects, other than Wound."

That's the shortest I can describe it

The question of "What the hell even is TOTAL damage, really" can be answered elsewhere

[bronze anchor]

In commando’s trivia, it fails to mention that he also has Monster Tooth equipped as well

[vivid laurel]

currently rendering the commando judgement run for the wiki

i got hit by the spooky skull attack that reduces your hp to 1 and absolutely panicked

but i lived

[void flume]

Turned this into an item link, while I hope it doesn't break anything, this looks mighty neat

[stuck saffron]

should be fine haha

love these lil tooltips

[bronze anchor]

Do you mind if I fix this?

[stuck saffron]

go ahead

[bronze anchor]

Never mind, I can’t get it to look and work how it’s supposed to, if someone else could do it then they can

[keen mulch]

https://chrischristodoulou.bandcamp.com/album/risk-of-rain-returns-engineer-edition-returns

[stuck saffron]

I was wondering what the fuck was going on listening to this, I thought it was a meme album

but it's all the different audio tracks in every song that's cool of him to make them available

[keen mulch]

Yeah, could be noted on the soundtrack page I think?

That's the reason I posted it, but forgot to mention it

[stuck saffron]

is it on his right shoulderpad?

oh or are they around his neck

[bronze anchor]

Yeah, it’s combined with the Topaz Brooch

[vivid laurel]

Alright i added the judgement playthrough to the wiki
https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Judgement#Playthrough

its a standard commando run showcasing all stages

[shadow tusk]

I've seen claims that Fireman's Boots gives fire immunity. Is this true?

[haughty schooner]

The wiki page for the Huntress claims that the armored boarlit is a valid boss for The Hunt

but I tried it and it didn't count for me

[granite flax]

random tidbits ive collected for note:

• the crown on a healthbar signifies what drops items. feels obvious in hindsight XD
• the healing station interactable heals you and all allies (unsure about multiplayer functionality)
• summoning a ghost via jar of souls of lemurian cavalry spawns them separate

[past stratus]

[granite flax]

oh and also

• meters are inconsistent

so lets measure in pixels and tiles for a unified absolute system

[past crow]

does headstompers only scale on vertical downards speed or does it take into account horizontal speed

[granite flax]

very good question

[spiral moat]

Oh yeah prolly should add this here aswell: Judgement trial has time scaling
https://youtu.be/PI6uHOE-UKM

Only did 10 minute and ~10 second test to see if there was any

[stuck saffron]

We can see in the files if a trial has time scaling or not tbh

[spiral moat]

Mainly because of this
#game-questions-returns message

[past stratus]

We have talked about that with Elbry and agreed that we should use pixels too.

You don't want to see what he saw tho.

I was trying to math out the km/h to meters on a calculator and forgot the conversation rate. On top of that, I did it wrong twice first.

I was streaming the whole thing to him live too.