ror-wiki-discussion

[stuck saffron]

oh we can put triggers on interactables too

is there a good, reusable one for this

equipment activator might be good, since we can have infinite money

[old summit]

Can you set the shrines to free?

[stuck saffron]

probably

but they'd be destroyed after 2 successes

[void flume]

While true, they do break after some use, sometimes. That's another thing to test, come to think of it

[old summit]

Do they??

[void flume]

They've certainly shattered on me!

I remember being disappointed that the equipment didn't drop from it

[old summit]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that

[stuck saffron]

I had no idea

let's try it

[void flume]

It happens at least after 5 uses, in my experience

So I don't think the achievement is up to chance

[stuck saffron]

got to 13 and ran out of money

[old summit]

Is there a smashed sprite of it?

[stuck saffron]

even better

[old summit]

Booom

Send it to the wiki!

[void flume]

This feels blech

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/File:ActivatorBreak.gif if you wanna do something with it lol

upscaled it 200%

[stuck saffron]

I really need to get to work on that tbh

might have time this week-end

then your gifs might integrate better

[void flume]

If you want to work on integrating them into pages, I could work on just making the rest of the survivors, in that case

[stuck saffron]

yeah that might be a better use of your time! cause if we redo the skills section we'll have to move the gifs anyway

[old summit]

I’m not at my comp aha

[scarlet quiver]

Ok so can someone explain why the wiki is being censored?

[past stratus]

Soon™️

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

oh no

[old summit]

Also Soon™️

[void flume]

Lap 4

[stuck saffron]

did you try to add Robomando?

[scarlet quiver]

God forbid that a wiki have useful information about a character so I can see what the ancient scepter does for that character's ability

No, I assumed the wiki would have a page for the Robomando

[vivid laurel]

i think it'd look nicer combined into one box

you dont need too much room for the survivor skills in gifs anyway

[past stratus]

The secret character is a secret even after the devs asked us to keep it hidden for a while to keep it more secret? No way.

[stuck saffron]

gives a chance to get double the rewards from whatever you're hacking

[old summit]

Just saying you’ll be going against the the wiki admin And the games community manager

[stuck saffron]

(the real wiki admin, I'm the fake one)

(don't tell anyone)

[past stratus]

It's not censor either, it's just intentionally not being published to keep the secret last longer.

[scarlet quiver]

Like hell it isn't

[stuck saffron]

this thing still hasn't broken

[past stratus]

Oh no! This <community that I see lot of comments in> knows this thing and I <dont care if others don't>!

[scarlet quiver]

If whoever has the ability to make the decision wants to make that decision? so be it

[stuck saffron]

I started with $999999 ffs

[scarlet quiver]

but it is deliberately hiding information

And saying otherwise is ridiculous

[void flume]

Maybe it's tied to the cooldown of the equipment itself?

[stuck saffron]

lemme get a captain's brooch in there

[void flume]

Rapidly using amethyst is par for the course, but churning out Brooch chests over and over could have more of-- yeah

[old summit]

I used a brooch activator in a robo run for a while so it’s probably just chance

[stuck saffron]

good thing is, I just have to count the chests to know how many times I activated it

[void flume]

Oh yeah speaking of robo, that'd solve your money problems testing this!

[stuck saffron]

I need to unlock him 💀

[old summit]

Correct opinion

[stuck saffron]

and the info on how isn't even on the wiki!

[void flume]

Shucks!

[stuck saffron]

after 16 tries, didn't break

I have a nice row of chests though

[old summit]

We can easily get the shrine multiplier from these

[granite flax]

censorship is destroying our wiki it is very upsetting

[past stratus]

Do they even break?

[scarlet quiver]

yeah good thing I said that isn't it

[old summit]

Booom

[scarlet quiver]

Thank you, by the way

[stuck saffron]

well @void flume has seen one break and there is an animation for it

[past stratus]

I have never seen them, so I wonder how many times he used it.

[void flume]

Maybe I got exceedingly unlucky

[past stratus]

Is it perhaps chance based?

[granite flax]

i wonder if it scales the usages before breaking based on something else? (like cooldown, or maybe just increasing chance per activation?)

[stuck saffron]

or maybe there's some settings in the trials so they don't break

[void flume]

Here's a thought actually, which is unfortunately way harder to te-- yeah, that

[past stratus]

I do remember once using one for 5 times then I couldn't, but I don't remember it breaking literally?

[stuck saffron]

like for that one sniper trial

[void flume]

Maybe they only break in actual runs?

[granite flax]

ooh, good point

[old summit]

Might also be teleporter related?

[stuck saffron]

wait

there's an unused trial

[distant hazel]

This is not a democracy

I’m on your side btw

[old summit]

There’s more votes for hiding it so it is actually

[distant hazel]

Show me the vote

[granite flax]

the vote is me and my 1 million alts

[granite flax]

is it the huntress shrine one?

[void flume]

I am a registered bot account, after all

[stuck saffron]

yeah

[void flume]

Perfectly in character

[stuck saffron]

was looking for things related to shrines

and saw this trial that manipulates the imp shrine numbers

[granite flax]

the overloading shrine concept is fun, i was bummed to find it didnt make it to the final release

[stuck saffron]

can't get it to show up in the menu

[void flume]

oh no, i know exactly which one that is

One of the devs talked about it in a stream twitch chat, it's one bizzo made

[stuck saffron]

ah there we go

can't put a trial somewhere if there's not another below it apparently

[granite flax]

it was also shown pre-release in a dev thoughts i believe

[void flume]

It's a huntress trial where you interact with an Imp shrine, and it spawns 100 of the tiny guys, and there are geysers everywhere

[stuck saffron]

seems like it

[granite flax]

curious, what about the merc parry one?

[void flume]

It is heinous, according to dev testing

there it is

[granite flax]

that looks like hell <3

[stuck saffron]

lmao bizzo should be locked up

what the fuck is this 😂

they can escape from the map and you can't follow them 😦

[void flume]

Suppose that could be why you only need 60

[granite flax]

whats the gold condition, if it has one?

[stuck saffron]

70

[void flume]

Looks to be killing 60 imps before 1:10

I'd say "I can't believe we got Hot Rope Hop instead of this", but something tells me they're equally as painful

[stuck saffron]

this seems awful

not gonna try to clear it

anyway, I had an idea for triggers, just put a trigger on a chest with an empty loot pool for that chest

and in the triggered script, respawn a chest in that exact location

should work

[granite flax]

does anyone know if acrid npc can climb?

[distant hazel]

Yes

[old summit]

Or just use a barrel

[granite flax]

ty :)

[stuck saffron]

didn't want to give XP

I don't know if I can disable that

[old summit]

That can be stopped

[stuck saffron]

ooh nice

[ripe turret]

is there a page (or section on the Items page) that says what items are new to Returns?

[granite flax]

there was, previously

[distant hazel]

The items have a game of origin

[stuck saffron]

lmao yeah ofc

[stuck saffron]

oh god they do?

did I destroy that

[granite flax]

they do not

[distant hazel]

Check an artifact

I definitely added one

Yea they do

[stuck saffron]

damn it I need to add it back into the data for every item then

[granite flax]

alright well the items dont, from what i can see

[ripe turret]

^^^^^

[distant hazel]

Unlucky

[ripe turret]

checked topaz brooch, no game of origin

[granite flax]

they did originally! one of the first things i added to the wiki

topaz brooch is originally from ror2, but made its way into rorr as well :)

was not in ror1

[ripe turret]

i can't imagine what it must feel like for the code for games of origin to just, like, fall out lol

[old summit]

Check the green items

[distant hazel]

Alright well I’ll correct myself and say the items have an option to have a game of origin, apparently most do not

[ripe turret]

infusion does not

[granite flax]

i did a GoO for every single item on the very first version of the items page, before the wiki was publically revealed XD

someone killed them.. so sorry

[distant hazel]

Infusion comes from Risk of Rain 2013

[stuck saffron]

also some say "Risk of Rain (2013)", and some say "Risk of Rain"

[ripe turret]

im specifically asking cuz it'd be great for people playing with classic settings to see what items can and can't spawn with "new items" turned off

[granite flax]

the 2013 is redundant......

[distant hazel]

I added 2013 because that’s what Steam lists it as

[stuck saffron]

that might have been me I'm so sorry

[granite flax]

LOL youre all good, i think i got outvoted in keeping them around

[ripe turret]

if not on the item pages themselves, then another column on the item tables

[distant hazel]

Damn we can do that?

[stuck saffron]

that's a good point tbh

[granite flax]

thats how i had it originally, yeah!

[distant hazel]

Anyways I still think a page with all of the differences from RoR1 would be neat

[ripe turret]

that would also work whenever people wanted to make a super comprehensive page on that

[granite flax]

that would be a stupidly big page which would be very hard to categorize, i think, but rules for what the rulesets change is probably a good way to achieve a similar resuly

t

[ripe turret]

t

[stuck saffron]

speaking of enemy values, I should test values for enemies that don't have log entries

[granite flax]

ive just put in the mobility info for everything that isnt Trokk and Portal Imp (and Purple Imp, by extension)

[distant hazel]

Rulesets is already gonna have a page

[granite flax]

because i dont remember if imps and trokks can jump/fall normally because they just teleport to me lol

[distant hazel]

Idk if an imp can jump

Wrong reply

[granite flax]

yeah im unsure... i feel like they can but that might just be because they can always get to me anyway :p

i would test but i am banned from rorr............... so if anyone else sees it just lmk or edit it in :]

i think maybe a "can cross gaps" box could actually be useful, too

[spring storm]

imps can jump

[distant hazel]

Oh yeah

[granite flax]

things like sand crabs and cavalry can cross them, but macrobic predator cant (even though you think it would be able to)

[distant hazel]

I saw something stupid

I knocked one of the overloading crabs off the ledge in Judgement stage 2 and it teleported back up to me before dying

So I had to knock it off again

Frenzied crabs I mean

[granite flax]

LOL, unfortunate

[spring storm]

i had that happen like 5 times, i hate it

[past stratus]

Cavalry can jump over holes that are bigger than 2 tiles tho.

It seems to be very random if their AI decides to do it or not tho.

[granite flax]

aye they can also just walk over small ones

[past stratus]

Do they randomly jump while sprinting at you?

I wonder if what I saw was just that random jump that happened to also jump over that hole by coincidence.

[spring storm]

also does anyone know armor calculations? i might mess around with that if no

[granite flax]

armor calc is the same as ror/ror2/league of legends

[spring storm]

k

[past stratus]

It's probably the exact same as the original, which copied the League's formula:

Received damage = Incoming Damage x (100 / 100 + Armor)

[granite flax]

indeed it is!

[spring storm]

thought it would be different because i dont think ror2 has armor per lvl

and damn acrid really starts with a 0.87 damage multiplier how neat

[past stratus]

Some people think that it's diminishing because a single point of armor grants "less" damage reduction at higher armor values, but in practice you gain 1% more effective health for each point of armor.

100 armor is 50% damage reduction, which means that you have effectively doubled your health.
200 armor is 66.66% damage reduction, but your effective health is tripled.
300 armor is 75% reduction, but effective health is quadrupled.
Etc.

[stuck saffron]

stats for archaic wisp - left to right:

• hp
• damage
• hp regen
• armor
• speed (x10 to get km/h)

[granite flax]

wait you can just do that????

[spring storm]

i was so nice to give items corrosponding to stats

@granite flax it was a fun thing to program

[granite flax]

oh my god that RULES

[stuck saffron]

yeah lol @spring storm figured it out

[void flume]

Wait that's what the multishops were for????

That's fuckin wild

[past stratus]

Their prices are "rewired" to show stats of something specific instead.

[spring storm]

@granite flax i already updated everything on the wiki, all was right besides acrid starts with 15 armor for some reason

[granite flax]

how's it work, out of curiosity?

[stuck saffron]

they're such a nice touch

[ripe turret]

oh my god this is brilliant

[spring storm]

@granite flax every step(frame) i update the prices to the stats of the character

[wintry cloak]

Wouldn't mysterious vial be more fitting for hp regen?

[spring storm]

i like bungus

case closed

[stuck saffron]

basically at stage start we spawn an enemy
then we have a trigger for when any enemy spawns
if that enemy is the one I want to measure the stats from, I update the multishop prices with its stats

[wintry cloak]

bungus

[past stratus]

Some of the trial scripts are stored in a JSON, and the JSON contains code stuff that the game reads in and converts to actual code.

[void flume]

And here I thought it was just testing random prices

[granite flax]

i know that part haha

[past stratus]

Oh

[stuck saffron]

[
  "if",
  [
    "is_object",
    [
      "get_arg",
      0
    ],
    "WispG2"
  ],
  [
    [
      "set_cost",
      [
        "get_instance",
        "Shop1",
        0
      ],
      [
        "*",
        100,
        [
          "get",
          [
            "get_arg",
            0
          ],
          "hp_regen"
        ]
      ]
    ],
    [
      "set_cost",
      [
        "get_instance",
        "Shop1",
        1
      ],
      [
        "get",
        [
          "get_arg",
          0
        ],
        "armor"
      ]
    ],
    [
      "set_cost",
      [
        "get_instance",
        "Shop1",
        2
      ],
      [
        "get",
        [
          "get_arg",
          0
        ],
        "damage"
      ]
    ],
    [
      "set_cost",
      [
        "get_instance",
        "Shop1",
        3
      ],
      [
        "get",
        [
          "get_arg",
          0
        ],
        "pHmax"
      ]
    ],
    [
      "set_cost",
      [
        "get_instance",
        "Shop1",
        4
      ],
      [
        "get",
        [
          "get_arg",
          0
        ],
        "hp"
      ]
    ]
  ]
]```
this is the code to update the shop stats, inside the onEnemyInit trigger

woops I thought it would let you expand or collapse

sorry

[granite flax]

thats so elegant you guys are so good

[old summit]

The skillz of bg

[spring storm]

also shops numbers are ordered from the middle so its annoying to read

besides that its all pretty simple

[stuck saffron]

it's fun to cobble it all together

[past stratus]

I wonder if anyone started working on a tool that lets us do these changes more easily.

[spring storm]

its a good enough programming language

just takes a bit of getting used to

[past stratus]

Yeah, I missed most of the updates and I'm out of the loop already.

I think I only know like 10% of what was discovered so far.

[old summit]

We did learn things pretty quickly

[stuck saffron]

Young Vagrant and its 3 balls

this thing has no base dmg lol

[past stratus]

My only relevant contribution was spawning Blighted and Cognant elite bosses.

[past stratus]

Well, they are not adults yet, so ofc they tickle!

[old summit]

Lordy their scaling must be terrifying

[spring storm]

that speed looks weird

are they really that slow

[old summit]

They have variable speed

[past stratus]

Did you guys try to update the values onStep?

[spring storm]

but id assume phmax is the max

[stuck saffron]

for the player characters they're updated on step

[spring storm]

@past stratus thats what i did first thing, thats how i got stats on lvl up

[stuck saffron]

for enemies I haven't tried

[past stratus]

Lemme check something.

[stuck saffron]

cause I'm not sure how to get an enemy during the onStep trigger

[spring storm]

you should get stats on lvl up for enemys if your trying to get them all

dont know what a "lvl" really is for enemys though

[stuck saffron]

1 minute is basically a level I'd say

[past stratus]

Jellies have a dashing thing, so I wonder if that's just a temporary move speed buff.

[old summit]

It would be the minute scaling

We can speed that up tho

[stuck saffron]

for now I just wanna fill the infoboxes on the wiki

sanctuary guard

also vagrant speed is not low? it's 20km/h

seems fine

I'll multiply the next ones by 10 in the code lol

[old summit]

Lizard man on lil legs > flying jellyfish

[past stratus]

I'm pretty sure that it works just like health, where you have hp and hpmax.

[spring storm]

i dont remember out running them that well idk

[past stratus]

In the original, both pHmax and pHspeed exist, so I'm sure it works the same way.

[old summit]

They have the im far away dash

[spring storm]

huh

so what is the max of pHmax

[past stratus]

Yeah, just do the same for monsters.

[spring storm]

yeet the code in enemyinit to onstep

[past stratus]

Jellies are my first target because of their thing.

[spring storm]

dont know why youd have it in enemyinit in the first place

oh wait there is a reason

[stuck saffron]

how do you get the enemy in onStep

[spring storm]

"get_instance" i think

[stuck saffron]

alright I'll try!

[spring storm]

["get_instance", "name", 0]
instead of get_arg

name with whatever enemy

hopefully will work properly

[past stratus]

This in Commando1 is a good enough example, right?

[stuck saffron]

yup I'm trying with stuff like this

[spring storm]

not exactly the same but similar yeah

at least i dont think they are the same maybe they are

[past stratus]

I can see why it might be problematic.

[naive crescent]

wait is it true that the devs mentioned workshop support? that would be peak

[spring storm]

we can already make our own trials who needs official support/s

[old summit]

Ye they’ve mentioned that they are working on it, we are just messing with what we have access to at the moment

[naive crescent]

I went to the wrong chat that is my bad

[spring storm]

just made me think why the hell did the devs torture themselves to make this shit programming language when they could have just not, ima prob go to sleep

[old summit]

They probably have a trial maker and it outputs the code like this

[spring storm]

ig so

[past stratus]

I wonder if you can truly call this a language, but this such a deep topic and I can barely hold just the beginning of it.

[stuck saffron]

god damnit these "if" make me wanna punch a wall

[spring storm]

you have if statements, you can make and store variables, its good enough

[void tinsel]

i do wonder why they decided to store trials like this

[spring storm]

if statements may suck ass but they are a thing

[void tinsel]

they could have just hardcoded it into the game

but its good for us

[past stratus]

I need that meme about "programming is just bunch of ifs and elses."

[stuck saffron]

ok it works (you can see the health went down as I shot it)

speed does not move

[void tinsel]

makes me wonder if custom trials were something they thought about? they could easily add custom trials to the workshop when it comes out

[stuck saffron]

even when it does its little dash

[past stratus]

Can you check little jellies?

[spring storm]

loops are just big if else statements

nothing else needed

[past stratus]

If (loop) then loop

[spring storm]

oh wait we could have a loop statement

is all perfect then

[past stratus]

onStep is the base loop already, so checks out.

[old summit]

Try the ph instead of phmax

[stuck saffron]

same phmax

[spring storm]

@past stratus nah we just make a script which recursively calls it self if it does not meet the condition

[stuck saffron]

will try

[spring storm]

its too funny of a while loop

[past stratus]

Oooh

[spring storm]

the most cursed while loop

[past stratus]

The game already shits itself together in Acrid's race trial, I don't think our infinite loop is needed.

[spring storm]

i am unsure if we can have a argument to a script

but we can always create a object like an enemy to act as a iterator

then we have a 'for' loop

[past stratus]

This honestly feels like Minecraft redstone, where over the years it evolved into this massive out of the box thing to build stuff with.

[stuck saffron]

we can have a script onEnemyInit that kills the enemy if a condition is not met

[spring storm]

yeah so therefore it might be turing complete, who needs more from a language

[stuck saffron]

then we can run a script in onEnemyDeath that does stuff and respawns it

[spring storm]

thats so much worse i love it

[stuck saffron]

until the condtion is met and the enemy does not die

[past stratus]

I can't wait for the "How we made a working computer in Risk of Rain Returns!"

[stuck saffron]

how's that for jank

[spring storm]

coding everything in enemy objects truely is the way

[old summit]

Also rather than killing Lems for a level up wouldn’t it be possible to get the players xp till lvl up?

[stuck saffron]

for speed we have pHmax and pHmax_base

there also pHspeed but it's 0 all the time

[spring storm]

@old summit ?

[old summit]

Hmmm

[stuck saffron]

pHmax & pHmax_base are 2 for the jellies

[past stratus]

They mean getting the level up XP requirement values.

[spring storm]

oh yeah

i was just lazy

we do have that info

[old summit]

As in set the amount of exp a lem gives to the xp the player needs

[past stratus]

Neither of them ever changing? Aw 😔

[old summit]

Yeee

[stuck saffron]

never

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

do we know the values

[past stratus]

Nvm, that's even more specific.

[spring storm]

["if", ["<", ["get", ["get_player"], "level"], 26],[
incremement this on lemur kill

[stuck saffron]

WAIT

[spring storm]

might work

[stuck saffron]

we're so dumb

[spring storm]

could do that also

[old summit]

[stuck saffron]

I set both of those to 1

will I hit 100 if I kill a lemurian

let's see

[old summit]

Then set the lem xp to 1 and we did it (hopefully)

Or even our barrel loop

[stuck saffron]

I gain 7 lvls per lemurian

a bit less

ok I think it's actually incrementing by 1 every time

[spring storm]

i feel like i remember exp being randomized

[stuck saffron]

wait no why did I only gain 7 lvls then

[old summit]

Try the barrel xp

[spring storm]

game loves to randomize everything

[ripe turret]

i think this is my one want for a possible addition to the wiki so im just gonna reply to it and submit it as a suggestion this way lol

[stuck saffron]

stumbled upon this, I am befuddled

[spring storm]

just to look like other code

actually reasonable

[stuck saffron]

I'm talking about the actual function of the code here

[spring storm]

why make it look weird when it does not matter

[stuck saffron]

take this enemy here, and make it's exp_worth 1*its exp_worth

huh?

[spring storm]

it makes sense

[stuck saffron]

🤔

[stuck saffron]

I'll write it down somewhere

[old summit]

Doesn’t that just make the xp = xp??

[ripe turret]

bless up 🙏

[spring storm]

["actor_dirty", ["get_arg", 0]],
still dont know what this does but they just copy pasting stuff so it makes total sense

[stuck saffron]

yes exactly

[stuck saffron]

I'm guessing some stuff can't affect dirty actors

no idea what

if I put the Lizard's XP to 1, I gain a level every time I kill one

so it seems to be working

but I have no clue why making them worth 100 doesn't lvl me up to 100 then

[past stratus]

Do they drop only one or multiple orbs?

[spring storm]

oh wait the exp bar is prob random not the exp given

that makes more sense

[stuck saffron]

1 orb if I put 1 XP, multiple if I put 100

[past stratus]

Yeah, then it's really weird.

[stuck saffron]

but it works, the score goes up every time I kill one, and I am lvl 100 with 99 killed

small barrel gave me 3 lvls

aaand that's it for me I rly need to go sleep

european time zone

[past stratus]

Same

[stuck saffron]

cya everyone

[spring storm]

do we have a list of enemy names

[past stratus]

We have so much in common. We should sleep togehter.

[spring storm]

i kinda would like to mess around with loops and potentially a loop to spawn alot of different targets to spawn different enemys

[stuck saffron]

lang file, the "actors" array

just remove the 'o' before the names and you're good

[stuck saffron]

we should absolutely go to sleep yes

[past stratus]

[spring storm]

if i can make this work it will easily be the worst code i have ever written

[stuck saffron]

Let us know how it goes

[past stratus]

You can always make it worse.

[void flume]

All the Huntress abilities are now Dummy gif'd

[spring storm]

do drones target the dummys, would be nice to get drones stats and stats per lvl n stuff

sleepy time though

[stuck saffron]

They do

I was thinking about making dedicated pages for drones with their stats

We should be able to get their health and everything

[past stratus]

I'm still not tired btw, so yeah...

[past stratus]

Drone page is up and I have an idea too btw.

Lemme see if I have the example that I made in the other wiki.

[stuck saffron]

Don't you have work or classes or something you need to wake up for lol

[past stratus]

Nope

[stuck saffron]

Lucky you

[stuck saffron]

Also I meant pages for individual drones

Or at least each drone class

[past stratus]

Yeah... That doesn't sound very efficient.

Drone class is definitively better, but I would really try to solve it first on a single page.

[stuck saffron]

Yeah it's probably overkill, just wouldn't want the drone page to be too cluttered with the different stats

[past stratus]

Hear me out

Except, without the hitches that this... thing caused.

I don't reven remember how I managed to put 3 infoxboxes next to each other horizontally, but I do remember that I was suffering with so many buggy stuff. lol

(Reuploaded without the clutter.)

You also don't want to know how I felt when I saw that the description of these items were hidden behind a template. :)

[stuck saffron]

We do have a cols template, but I haven't tested it

[past stratus]

Putting them next to each other should be fine, since there are no more than 3 drones for each "class" (right?).

Phones would simply display 1 at the time and you would have to scroll for the next.

[stuck saffron]

Yeah 3 is the max

We'll see when we get to it I guess

I'm kinda bad at visualizing stuff so not sure how it's going to work out but I'm sure we can figure something out

[past stratus]

We got the base of the infobox ready.

[distant hazel]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Game_Rules

[keen mulch]

Looks good!

Are there any other collectibles that are in the modern variant stages, there def are logs but like prism shards? I think those mostly were in classic varaints but not 100% sure

[mystic pasture]

There's a couple artifacts that require one of the new variants

[keen mulch]

Those are mentioned

[distant hazel]

I've never actually paid attention to see if Tempus is on modern or on all of them

I should do that in 2 days

[distant hazel]

I mean logs are just tied to their stages, so it makes sense you need Modern stages for the Sunken Tomb #4 log or something

Prisms aren't necessarily tied to game rules so idk if it should go on there or not

but there are relatively few prism skins anyways so I guess listing them wouldn't take too much space

[old summit]

They could just be in a general notes section

[vivid laurel]

and now, without the funny smash melee sound effects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FceoKlDjn-U

i'll add Miner's videos to the wiki shortly

[void flume]

Doing the gifs for Enforcer now, and wow, Disperse actually sucks ass 💀

[vivid laurel]

i feel like you could make an entire separate gamemode for break the targets

[vivid laurel]

i still barely understand how it works

does he just aim where the enemies are? or does he always aim down in the air and always up on the ground?

[void flume]

Always up on ground, down on air

[vivid laurel]

i swear i had some instances where he changed from aiming down to up

[void flume]

But it seems like it only hits once if it's anything other than a boss, maybe?

[vivid laurel]

maybe if you land before it finishes?

[void flume]

this does seem to be the case

[vivid laurel]

such a strange ability

[void flume]

awful

I even tried it on a colossus, it does hit three times, but it doesn't even feel good

[granite flax]

i mean it looks like it doesnt lose damage on pierce, which seems pretty great for crowd control

perfect for when youre running away from things on a rope

[void flume]

It only hits small enemies once, and the Shotgun does the same thing

Suppose there's no arguing the rope thing, though

[swift plinth]

I don't know what it has for hitboxes but it's WEIRD

[void flume]

It does not feel like a good ability at all

[swift plinth]

Also I don't think the "hits bigger enemies harder" thing actually applies to bosses

But like, I don't even know

[swift plinth]

I'm pretty sure every single thing enforcer has is an AoE

[void flume]

All that means is all 3 blasts can hit, there's no innate extra damage as far as I can tell

It only hits Greater Wisps once

so "bigger targets" either means Elder Lemurians or Bosses

[swift plinth]

You sure it's not just because the hitboxes don't overlap at all?

[void flume]

I suppose I just expected greater wisps to be bigger, maybe.

In any case, all the Enforcer gifs are done, which means I've played enough enforcer for my lifetime

[old summit]

How tall is the beam ball

[swift plinth]

By the way, are y'all using a specific testing trial? We should probably have that pinned

[void flume]

I've tried very hard to think what the 'beam ball' is, but I can't figure it out. What is this

[void flume]

We all sorta have our own at this point, I think.

[swift plinth]

Gotcha, I'm gonna make my own, with blackjack and HAN-D

[old summit]

The bigger wisps as they are both balls and shoot beams

[void flume]

I can post mine I suppose, but I'm not really equipped to explain how it works cleanly, Elbry or Poiyuk understand it more clearly

[old summit]

Here’s the last group copy of it

[void flume]

I never actually internalized them as balls, so that reference soared straight over my head.

[old summit]

Ye I’m happy to attempt to answer anything

[void flume]

They seemed pretty tall, though

[old summit]

It’s a way we were jokingly categorizing monsters a while ago

[void flume]

This is what I've turned my copy into, so far

[old summit]

And for any items we have a page in the google sheet that has all the item codes

[void flume]

Enforcer gifs are now all in the database.

[granite flax]

i am dead serious about the intricate ball/beam dichotomy

[old summit]

Sorry!

It’s a way we were categorizing monsters a while ago

[granite flax]

thank you much better

[swift plinth]

Do we know if artifacts can be enabled?

[old summit]

Haven’t tested that

But I don’t think any trials have artifacts enabled

[void flume]

I've also now just put all the ability dummy gifs into my user page, so there's one convenient spot to look at them and pull from.
https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/User:Decc

good embed

[old summit]

Oooo

[granite flax]

blink is using cluster bomb's gif ^^;

[void flume]

whoops

[void flume]

Bandit done, kinda funky showing off the on-kill abilities, but some sacrificial jellies have made their mark

Aaand now added to the user page

I made sure to link the right ones, this time

[old summit]

Big brain time

[void flume]

Did you know you can hold down the Special key to stall Lights Out and Standoff?

[old summit]

Yeee it’s come up in a few convos

[void flume]

Can't do anything except jump, but you keep a nice pose

[old summit]

The style points

[void flume]

Who else but Bandit

Something about looking at this is satisfying a part of my brain

[grizzled pasture]

Wait where are these?

[void flume]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/User:Decc

Temporarily, until Skills are reformatted and they can be put to use

[grizzled pasture]

Is this a part of the game?

[void flume]

I'm going to say "yes", because the efforts of people here made it that way

The GIFs I have been making myself, using a torn-apart and reassembled "Trial" that Elbry, Poiyuk, and bgkillas put together

[eternal plover]

works for merc parry too

[void flume]

Stalling merc parry is advertised in the description though, while Bandit is otherwise hidden

[eternal plover]

ah

[stuck saffron]

CHEF is gonna ruin your day

[scenic fulcrum]

putting base and boosted in the same gif:

[void flume]

It'll likely be how I do it, I think the most annoying part will be getting MINCE all into frame...

[stuck saffron]

btw you can reduce the dummies' HP to show these off

[void flume]

Huh, I hadn't actually thought about that..

After HAN-D is finished up, I'll go back and redo those

[granite flax]

im going to go through and hopefully do all the drone pages tomorrow :]

[spring storm]

its so annoying because you cant hold it down to spam it if you have the items

[void flume]

😐

[stuck saffron]

lmao

Y

maybe put the text in a <small></small> tag

[void flume]

there we go

lesser of two evils

[spring storm]

we should also get the attack speed diff per speed drone

[stuck saffron]

need to find what attack speed is called

seems like pHspeed is an entity's actual speed, but it can go into the negatives if you're moving left

and then it doesn't show up on the multishop cost

pVspeed is falling speed

gonna start noting these down

[vivid laurel]

Added sniper's videos to the wiki

just got the latter half of the cast left

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax ball counter

[stuck saffron]

damn, good job this looks like a lot of work

[vivid laurel]

for the judgment page are we just gonna want a video of a run for every character?

[stuck saffron]

@void flume you can add these to the trial to have 100 uses of each skill without having to rely on items

doesn't work with HAN-D drones though

[stuck saffron]

I think just a generic run-through would be enough, probably?

[stuck saffron]

10% increase per drone!

[spring storm]

how does it stack with items?

[stuck saffron]

it's just additive

for instance here I have one syringe (+12%) and 4 drone buffs (+40%)

overclock also just adds 30% on top

need a way to make the platform above longer or reduce distance between shops, I don't like having it on the ground 😭

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron would be a bit ugly but you could put it on the right platform

[stuck saffron]

yeah I guess

btw I found this website for RoR1 modding with a bunch of variable names and stuff https://saturnyoshi.gitlab.io/RoRML-Docs/misc/variables_actor.html

I think a lof of it still applies here

[grave rose]

can't you just spawn the bonus stock pickups?

[stuck saffron]

probably yeah

but killing infinitely respawning lemurians with 1HP works too

[past stratus]

It's probably attack_speed. Everyone should start with 1 by default, and I think only frenzied and blighted elites have more.

[stuck saffron]

check below lol

[past stratus]

Ooops

Good morning?

[stuck saffron]

ahah good "morning"

[past stratus]

@stuck saffron, are you up?

[stuck saffron]

yeah

[past stratus]

I got an idea: I wonder if you can track speed or similar values of certain projectiles.

[stuck saffron]

probably can yeah

only thing is, not sure these have pHmax or pVmax

I can try and find out

[past stratus]

Everyone should have both.

[stuck saffron]

I'll try with some bug archer bullets and see

[past stratus]

I was trying to see the name of flame chakrams, but did not find the objects themselves yet.

Slightly unrelated: Finally putting real thought into the skills. Do you already have some ideas or directions that I should be aware of?

[stuck saffron]

off the top of my head:

• there can be multiple icons for a skill (engi mines, enforcer shield...)
• we need a notes section for each skill
• probably an optional space for CHEF boosted / scepter skills (kinda like the RoR1 wiki does it) - or we keep them separate, but I think this might be better
• cooldowns need to be displayed

[queen pagoda]

it says lynx totems stomp does dmg but from what ive seen it doesnt actually only knockback

[past stratus]

First try thing

[granite flax]

we can use this to get wandering and young vagrant's ball damages btw :)

damage is stored in the balls

[past stratus]

Very specific kind of wording.

[granite flax]

its the technical terminology

[stuck saffron]

it's not working unfortunately

[granite flax]

aw man

[stuck saffron]

it detects the entity correctly, but the shop prices are updated to either 0 or negative values

and nothing is displayed

so it's probably a variable name issue

[granite flax]

[old summit]

no ball calculations

[stuck saffron]

oh also we need to make space for @void flume's gifs but I don't think they're all the same size so maybe they'd be on the side outside the skill box

[past stratus]

I was thinking that it should be in the notes/more/extra whatever you want to call it tab.

[stuck saffron]

maybe it could be there yeah

[past stratus]

Or alternatively, below the main description. It could fit.

[stuck saffron]

I HAVE A VALUE

[past stratus]

SEND VALUES

[stuck saffron]

turns out

there is simply a "speed" variable

no "damage" for projectiles though which is weird

god are we going to have to test every projectile in the game

[past stratus]

So those use the GM built-in speed variable?

[stuck saffron]

I'm gonna try with different projectiles to make sure it's really this

[past stratus]

Can you check for direction?

These are basic built-in variables that all objects have in GM by default.

You can decide to use it or not, but I assume that projectiles like missiles and the orbs were easier to just use these than have your own movement code.

[stuck saffron]

teddy is speed, goat hoof is direction

seems to be a 360° thing?

[past stratus]

Yes

0° is right, 90° is up, 180° is left, 270° is down.

[stuck saffron]

only speed seems to be stored in the balls

Huntress fires arrows at 180km/h 😲

[past stratus]

Btw, this confirms that 1 pixel = 10 km/h, right?

[stuck saffron]

not sure

[keen mulch]

Guess balls aren't versatile storage devices

[stuck saffron]

Huntress boomerang starts at 160 and speeds up by 20 with each bounce

good shit

[past stratus]

She is either ripped or the bows are making it very easy.

Alternatively, both (head-canon).

[distant hazel]

Oh yeah

Enigma isn’t an item

It’s an effect applied to you

I thought I could use the equipment chest in Risk of Rain to cheese it but it didn’t work and just shuffled my new equipment

[sly crown]

what happens when you stack atg rocket more than 10 times?

[void flume]

Supposedly nothing, but I guess we haven't tested it?

[sinful storm]

wiki gods I come with a humble question

do all money related things scale the same way, like life savings and golden gun

like same speed/amount

[void flume]

Generally speaking, yes

It's a bit offset later on as more Elites start spawning, which generally puts it in your favor as you'll start outscaling the pricing

[sinful storm]

Yeah but I mean

since life savings is 1 dollar per 3s

and golden gun is 700 dollars for max effect

if lets say I never kill anything, will I need 700 life savings at every point in time to max golden gun out in its first proc

[void flume]

Yes, that should in theory be the same every time.

[stuck saffron]

Golden gun is always $700 to get the full effect? It doesn't scale with time?

[sinful storm]

Logbook says it scales with time

its just 700 by base

at least what logbook says

[void flume]

Life Savings also scales with time, to clarify

[stuck saffron]

Ah alright

[sinful storm]

🙏 thank you I forgot to say, oh gods of wiki

[spring storm]

no radians :c

day ruined

[vivid laurel]

added Acrid's videos to the wiki

[past stratus]

Good. Rad, Cos, and Sin are scaring me.

[cold shore]

average sin fan vs average sinh enjoyer

[bleak monolith]

In items section "Tough Times" has a description of a "Energy Cell"

[granite flax]

ah, thanks! will fix that :)

[bleak monolith]

Mistake in description

[bleak monolith]

0 is right, π/2 is up, π is left, 3π/2 is down, 2π is right, 5π/2 is up, 3π is left, 7π/2 is down, 4π is left....

[elder egret]

☝️🤓 erm ackshully its pi/2 not 2/pi

[cosmic lynx]

Did archery as a hobby and can say without a doubt that Bows make it easier to fire at high speeds, especially compounds with a heavy drawback, now huntress doesn't have a compound i dont think (it looks more Recurve) so In this ted talk i can deduce that Huntress is Muscle Mommy

[bleak monolith]

Yeah. My bad

Thanks for correction

[spring storm]

...is this a joke? i cant tell with math

[bleak monolith]

No

π is 180°

Oh, I've made a mistake

@spring storm now it's right

[spring storm]

ah ok

[stuck saffron]

I approve of Huntress being a Muscle Mommy

[queen pagoda]

providence swaps places with his clone whenever he does the sword ground slam shockwave thing

[twin lily]

huntress 🤝 ror2 loader

[past stratus]

Anyway... A comment that officially makes it official that they will make modding support.

Pray for it to not be iceboxed or scrapped.

[granite flax]

no way it vanishes

[cosmic lynx]

I was told in RoR1 and RoRR Loader is a male

my waifu

[twin lily]

yeah it’s a different loader than the ror2 one

[cosmic lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[stuck saffron]

Officially official mod support, nice

[granite flax]

sarn's in charge shes gonna kill it

[past stratus]

She already gave us some fancy tools to make our own sandbox. Whatever it was intentional or not.

[stuck saffron]

Sarn is a hopoo dev?

[past stratus]

Bizz confirmed that she was the main programmer.

I wonder how much she carried over from the old stuff, considering that many of the variables have the same name as the original.

[stuck saffron]

Don't fix what isn't broken 🤷‍♂️

[past stratus]

Then no wonder that the networking was probably completely remade from scratch.

[granite flax]

they kept a lot of the naming conventions because i think its just what they were familiar with!

sarn made the ror1 modloader, so it was all very familiar i think

i'd imagine thats why even the new enemies follow old naming conventions

[analog wasp]

wonder whats naming convention in other sarn's projects and if its the same as ror

[void tinsel]

in the data/stages directory, there's a stage called riskOfRain_EMPTYSHIP.rorlvl, along with variants 1 and 2 of the stage
does anyone know when this appears in game, if at all?

[old summit]

i loaded into that map and it seems like it was used as a test enviro of some kind

[eternal sage]

I don't see it listed anywhere in the program binary, but it might be listed in the data.win (but unsure, I haven't unpacked that yet)

[old summit]

its just the final map missing all boxes and broken parts of the ship

still has the blast doors tho

[void tinsel]

yeah i was wondering because im trying to parse it and the file seems kind of wonky compared to other stage files

[hexed viper]

no she just transitioned and returned to the planet it was revealed to me in a dream

[void tinsel]

but if its unused then i probably dont have to worry about it

[eternal sage]

Which part of it is wonky to parse?

It's got a lot of layers (34), and a ton of "aftermatter" (triggers, etc.)

[void tinsel]

mainly im just referring to the first layer having the tileset ":bShip16", which isnt preceded by "ror:" and seemingly doesnt exist in the files

apart from that i didnt look into it too much

[eternal sage]

Yeah, probably just an old map file, I got the same parse: { name: "bShip16 -10", tileset: ":bShip16 -10", tile_count: 97 }

Have you figured out what the 6 bytes of each tile correspond to? (i.e. x,y, or tile num, etc.)

[void tinsel]

yeah i actually made a little map viewer (very broken right now though)

i'll make a drive link at some point for what ive documented

[eternal sage]

Oh nice, I've been working on a parser too for the rorlvl files, but I don't have much more than what you shared previously. The post-tileset triggers is giving me some trouble to figure out all those marks are and where they separate between triggers and other stuff (whatever it might be)

[void tinsel]

anyways the tile bytes are as follows:
1: texture atlas X
2: texture atlas Y
3-4: pos X (little endian)
5-6: pos Y (little endian)

[void tinsel]

i'm just focused on tiles for now, will look at the objects after that though

[eternal sage]

Awesome!

[vivid laurel]

uploaded Merc and Loader's trial videos to the wiki

[granite flax]

i thought i fixed that earlier wth

[keen mulch]

I wanted to fix it but don't know where that info is

[granite flax]

i thought it was here but i checked and my edits are still there on that one

so im not sure how to actually push them through or if its just a cache issue or what

got confirmation on young vagrant damage! adding it now, could someone check its speed in-game? ^-^

[woeful canopy]

woah, the enemy cards look sick

[granite flax]

the team really knocked it out of the park with the formatting of the wiki

[smoky juniper]

so true

[keen mulch]

Might need to rebuild it? Think that's how it also goes with cargo

[stuck saffron]

It's a cache issue, need to purge the page

It's in the "more" menu

Also Decaying Sample is missing a { at the beginning of its description

Can't fix it rn sorry

[stuck saffron]

Gotta thank @past stratus for the design!

[granite flax]

typo fixed and cache purged!

[past stratus]

[orchid sundial]

rip bozo lol

[distant hazel]

[past stratus]

Timekeeper's not an active item tho?

It makes sense.

I wonder if the person who added this checked this interaction before.

[sinful storm]

That only works on engi turrets but thats kinda different altogether

[stuck saffron]

Yeah they misunderstood the interaction lol

not me realising I forgot to include Scavenger in the enemy data

#risk-of-rain-returns message is this true orrrr

[elder egret]

No. I’ve held up to like 4 at a time and that got to ~36 seconds

[stuck saffron]

trying to test it but the game crashes if I activate a teleporter and don't designate a boss to spawn

there's a "fake" teleporter activation that doesn't trigger enemies/bosses but it also does not trigger umbrella's effect

[spring storm]

could just use equivalent exchange map @stuck saffron

[stuck saffron]

doesn't the teleporter there trigger the end of trial immediately

[spring storm]

no its the one that spawns a boss

[stuck saffron]

doesn't use the regular activate flag for the teleporter either

it's the "fake" one I think

[spring storm]

when you load into a normal stage file does it spawn in real teleporters?

i never checked

[stuck saffron]

nah ok I got it to work

just had to add a boss to the list of spawnable enemies

otherwise director doesn't know what to pull and it crashes the game

[sly crown]

how does infusion work with the turrets?

[stuck saffron]

ok 2 umbrellas isn't even 30s so the wiki info is definitely wrong rn

[spring storm]

thats what the log book says so idk where the wiki got that

[stuck saffron]

I assume turret kills increase the turret's health, but we'd have to check

[spring storm]

should check that and hitlist at once

[stuck saffron]

log says 15s (incrases per stack)

doesn't say how it increases

but there's definitely diminishing returns after the first

how many values do we need to establish the formula?

[spring storm]

but it normally does say how it increases so i assumed diminishing, ig its not that obvious

how many decimals are we getting?

prob like 8 because of low precision

[stuck saffron]

I don't know what the buff is called so I can't really time it like that :/

just using the TP timer right now

[spring storm]

yeah ik

[sly crown]

it seems to me that it permanently increases turret health, even upon destruction adnreplacement it doesn't reset. however, turrets have to kill the enemies to gain hp and enemies killed by the turrets don't give the player any hp

[stuck saffron]

huh turrets keeping the HP seems weird

another thing to test

[sly crown]

anyway to see turrets hp numbers?

[stuck saffron]

yeah there is

right now I'm trying to see if I can find a way to display umbrella's duration

will get to turret HP after

[sly crown]

i mean in a live instance

[stuck saffron]

yup

[sly crown]

how can i do taht

[sinful storm]

I think they are asking if they can just flick an option to see it

[sly crown]

nope

[sinful storm]

oh, apologies

[stuck saffron]

we can modify and create trials, and there is JSON pseudo-code to do stuff in them

bgkillas figured out that multishops prices can display decimal values, so we're replacing multishop prices with different game values

and huh, really need to write a guide on how to do this stuff

[spring storm]

just like document a trial verbosely

and have documented code for other stuff that is not currently in use

i wouldn't mind writing that if you give me an updated file with whatever new stuff you did

[stuck saffron]

my file is a mess lol

[spring storm]

that just means verbosity

[sly crown]

it also seems that items only apply when updating the turret through replacement or distruction

[spring storm]

that is how it works in ror2

[past stratus]

It looks valid, considering how it works in RoR2 too.

[stuck saffron]

oh I didn't remember that

[sinful storm]

:c turrets dont inherit your gold makes me mad11

can you actually check if turrets even have gold

[stuck saffron]

no golden gun for them

probably yeah

[sinful storm]

well apparently it works with life savings

[sly crown]

they dont ssem to, golden gun bar displys 0

[sinful storm]

but I did leave a feedback post saying they should inherit your gold

[stuck saffron]

alright I've tried: umbrella, umbrella_dur, umbrella_rain, umbrella_rain_dur

[spring storm]

just get a couple values we dont need decimals reaslistically

[sly crown]

do turrets inherit snake eyes crit efffect? does it get updated live or after updating?

[stuck saffron]

should try _timer or smth

[stuck saffron]

I don't think they inherit your buffs, only your items

[sly crown]

i see

[stuck saffron]

so unless turrets can activate shrines, they'll never get the snake eyes buff, from my understanding

[sly crown]

maybe they get the crit chance buff if they activate shrines themselves xD

[stuck saffron]

someone correct me if I'm wrong

[stuck saffron]

alright good cause I can't figure it out lol

btw Umbrella seems to deal 125% dmg

[spring storm]

never noticed that it dealt damage

[stuck saffron]

yeah it's in the description, but no number

[spring storm]

does it proc a certain amount of times per second?

[stuck saffron]

it seems to proc every second kinda? but it's not consistent so I can't tell for sure

got this for umbrella's duration for now

seems weird

[vivid laurel]

I feel like I should wait to upload Chef’s “The Right Ingredients” trial

Either that or I could just do it as god intended

Cause right now it’s bugged

[stuck saffron]

just a flat +5s after the first two stacks, then a heavy drop-off somewhere between 5 and 10

[stuck saffron]

it is?

[vivid laurel]

You get points on any kill

When the trial says you must cook

Also the “score penalty on deaths” doesn’t apply

[stuck saffron]

ah true I did notice that

[vivid laurel]

To save a headache later I’ll just do the trial how they wanted you to for the video

[odd lodge]

oh fr?

lemme get gold in it

(im bad at trials)

[stuck saffron]

well @vivid laurel here is currently recording and uploading gold rank playthroughs of every trial on the wiki

maybe that'll help you

[vivid laurel]

I’ve uploaded everything except pilot, chef, drifter, and judgment

I’ll be doing those later tonight hopefully

Judgment will take a while

[stuck saffron]

btw @granite flax should we add a link to the trials page on the wiki's main page? seems important enough to put there

[vivid laurel]

yeah I was gonna ask about that

I kept having to go to a page with a navbox to get to it

Could probably just use the judgment icon for it

[stuck saffron]

yeah that's what I was thinking

but let's wait for Gummy's opinion

[odd lodge]

wait retropacifist is admin

neat

[sly crown]

we can create our own trials? unless there is a hardcoded limitation we can freely edit the layout of a trial

haven't tried yet but that opens sme possebilities

[stuck saffron]

trials layouts are in .rorlvl files, which have not been fully decyphered yet

[odd lodge]

anyone know who is in charge of the ror1 wiki

[sly crown]

there are cryptic passages but they seem to describe he tile layout and the stage properties

[stuck saffron]

but we can manipulate pretty much everything else

[sly crown]

which trial is arena_bridge ?

[stuck saffron]

doesn't look like it's used in the trials

looks like this (ignore the lizard I spawned it)

[sly crown]

hmm

and what is the "Prov Finale art prototype"

[spring storm]

more meaningless test data

[sly crown]

i see

[marsh glen]

On the wiki.gg site (I assume it's the official one) there isn't a page dedicated to challenges

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Challenges there is

[sinful storm]

they of the blessed name, wiki gods I come to you with one more plead

is attack speed capped

[stuck saffron]

attack speed in general?

or syringes?

[sinful storm]

huh, why would syringes be capped? and yeah in general

[stuck saffron]

lemme try to spawn in with 99 syringes lol

[sly crown]

i do not thing so. in ror2, only the animation speed was capped, but the dps would still grow

[stuck saffron]

LMAOOOO THE SOUND

[sinful storm]

pissin' beam

[stuck saffron]

with 999 syringes here's my attack speed

doesn't seem like there is a cap

[sinful storm]

Interesting

Many thanks righeous researcher

[stuck saffron]

kinda goes crazy

[past stratus]

The original game capped the amount of attack speed that you can have from Syringes.

[stuck saffron]

one atg mk. 2 with this would be hard af

[sly crown]

could you also test how infusion works with turrets?

[sinful storm]

never knew

[past stratus]

Also, I would assume that the technical cap would be 60, since I don't think that the game has code for attacks that would happen at sub-ticks.

This is not for attack speed, but for number of attacks per second.

[stuck saffron]

yeah tbh 120 or 1200 attack speed does not seem to change how fast I kill the test dummy

[past stratus]

Time to min-max every single survivor to see how much attack speed you need to cap out their primaries.

[sinful storm]

So by thenicality there is a cap its just not capped

[grim tree]

Very few games seem to allow for subtick updates. You would have to increase the frame rate to increase the number of game updates per second. (But this also often affects physics and game speed)

[past stratus]

It's more like limitation of how games/programs work, but I guess you could say that.

[stuck saffron]

yup can confirm that 60 is the "soft cap"

makes sense

[sly crown]

thats what im saying

[stuck saffron]

I'll try

[grim tree]

Just say that attack speed is "limited by frame rate"

[sly crown]

kind of, but not exactly, you dont have less attack speed when your games fps drop ower

[past stratus]

If I want to be pedantic, then it's not attack speed itself, but the number of attacks.

[past stratus]

The game is actually slower when lagging, so it's everything.

[sly crown]

yes

[stuck saffron]

lvl 1 engi turrets base stats

[spring storm]

they be zoomin

[stuck saffron]

speed is *10 lol

[spring storm]

ik

[stuck saffron]

but yeah they have 20km/h speed for some reason

hp does go up on infusion kills

and they retain the HP when summoned back

[spring storm]

see if hitlist works

[sly crown]

that confirms my hypothesis

[stuck saffron]

it does also increase their dmg and persists

need to check if engi gets it too

engi also gets the damage with hit list

[sly crown]

ho does arms race work on the drones?

[stuck saffron]

description seems pretty clear

[sly crown]

sorry i mean on turrets

[stuck saffron]

it does nothing for the turrets

[stuck saffron]

hmmm

Sticky Bomb seems to be doing 200% total damage and not 140% as advertised

+100% / stack? wtf

[spring storm]

tasty

[granite flax]

i asked devs and was told its so vague because its complicated, but it doesnt cap

so we'll just have to power through that one specifically

im finally back on rorr so i wanted to grind out a bunch of general testing and info today :)

[granite flax]

yeah, will do!

[stuck saffron]

yeah the increase per stack seems weirdly consistent up to a certain point

[stuck saffron]

if you need help setting the test environment up ping me

[granite flax]

naw ive got it :] i was following it closely back at the beginning, so im decently familiar with it

only thing i might need assistance with is using a teleporter-able testing zone a bit later ^-^

[stuck saffron]

just make sure there's a boss in the enemy spawning pool and it'll work properly

[past stratus]

Yeah, I need that too for counting Umbrella seconds.

[granite flax]

oh awesome, ty

im going to start going through item by item and really getting into the nitty gritty of things

[stuck saffron]

there's a list on the google sheet

I'm going it through as well

[granite flax]

ya, got it open! :]

right now im just getting a few more bits of general info

[stuck saffron]

got it

also set up an infinite chest for stack testing

[spring storm]

@stuck saffron could also just make another enemy that drops items on death

[stuck saffron]

yup true, just wanted to test the onInteractableActivate trigger

[granite flax]

oooh could i grab that, actually

[stuck saffron]

[
  "create",
  "Chest1",
  2130,
  1972
]
```this in `onStageStart` to spawn a chest
```json
"onInteractableActivate": [
  [
    "if",
    [
      "is_object",
      [
        "get_arg",
        0
      ],
      "Chest1"
    ],
    [
      [
        "create",
        "Chest1",
        2130,
        1972
      ]
    ]
  ]
]```and this somewhere in the trial to spawn a new chest when the old one is activated

[granite flax]

yayyyy tysm!

[stuck saffron]

also the names of the items in starting_items and in loot_pools are different for some reason

[granite flax]

yeah, i got that XD

[grim dust]

hey guys, does this moon in sky meadows hide something else or is it just part of the stage?

seems to hide something

looked for this on the channel and found nothing

[patent geode]

Not that it helps but I do not think it does, no.

[granite flax]

its just part of the tileset, its in other variants too

item stacking (in general) appears to be truly limitless

i can stack enough keycards to cause a 10 minute load time with no actual issues beyond that

awesome

ooh nevermind

[stuck saffron]

oh?

[granite flax]

it definitely has a limit, going too far just puts me at 1 keycard

time to spend an hour waiting through various load times to find the real limit :)

[stuck saffron]

lmao good luck

tested 14 items so far and only 1 had wrong numbers in its description

[granite flax]

are you going in any particular order? dont want to overlap

[past stratus]

Since modern GM is 64 bit, I would assume that the "true limit" of the stacking itself would be 18 446 744 073 709 551 616. Then it overflows.

[granite flax]

well, it returns to 1 long before that

[past stratus]

Yeah

[stuck saffron]

going in order of the list on the google sheet

[past stratus]

Item effects would probably overflow way before that. I assume you would also be having other issues at that point, like massive lag.

[stuck saffron]

you should see some colors for items I've tested

it's on the "damage items" tab

[granite flax]

oh for sure, thats why im testing with keycards LOL

im just looking for the actual true limit of how many of an item can i hold, no other parameters

[past stratus]

Can we show "amount of stacks of this item on this player" on the shops?

[granite flax]

what usefulness would that bring?

[past stratus]

I'm dummy and forgot that the HUD shows.

[old summit]

I have just woken up so if people need editing privileges on the sheet lemme know

[granite flax]

that might be handy, actually! ^-^

[old summit]

Yee send the request and I’ll add you

[granite flax]

will do!

[stuck saffron]

decaying sample is worse than I thought

each orb deals 50% damage and not 100% like the description says

picking up a stack does not increase the damage

I assume when you use the teleporter and spawn new orbs in, then the stacking might work

but I can't test it rn

[past stratus]

[granite flax]

strange results for my stacking also... it looks like if there is a stacking limit, i can barely test it

i cant spawn with more than 2147483648 items, but i can spawn with that many and stack beyond it and then go through a teleporter just fine?

[stuck saffron]

well if it's really 2^64-1 I don't think you'll ever be able to reach it lol

oh weird

[granite flax]

yeah this was more for curiosity than any like... piece of usable info

nobody is going to stack this many items

and if they do i think thats an achievement in and of itself

[stuck saffron]

32-bit integer limit

[granite flax]

aye, thats where i began my testing from

[past stratus]

Wait what

[stuck saffron]

but you can stack more without causing an error? that's so weird

[granite flax]

its very weird!

[past stratus]

That's weird.