#ror-wiki-discussion | Risk of Rain | Page 12

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:33 PM

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just like yeet those into shops

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how bad could it be

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:33 PM

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I’ve yoinked them out of the chests engiclueless

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To get gold golem

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Also where in the world is the meteor in scav hunt?

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Unless I just blanked it out of my memory

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:35 PM

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literally dont know

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my guess is its no where tbh

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:36 PM

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Wait the blue meteor trial might have the equip activators

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:37 PM

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doesn't seem so

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:37 PM

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Ahhhh

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:37 PM

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what a great function

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:38 PM

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Woah

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Ten points to hufflepuff

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:46 PM

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@old summit do you know what bungus is called for shops? or like the naming scheme of shops

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the engie one cheated and put the trigger in the rorlvl it seems

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:47 PM

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It should be in judgement

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:47 PM

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oh yeah

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:47 PM

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I think near the end?

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:47 PM

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i always look over it

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:48 PM

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I’ve started a file for writing down all the shop names

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It’s in our big google sheet if you’ve got that?

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:48 PM

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"Mushroom"

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worst name for bungus

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devs should fix that

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:48 PM

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happiesttroll

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 10:49 PM

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it sure is there

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@old summit i requested edit access to put my names i find in

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 10:57 PM

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Should be good now

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 11:07 PM

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lvl 1-> lvl 2

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dont know why regen did not increase

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 11:12 PM

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Hmmm

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 11:19 PM

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shops only show 2 decimals

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ill just multiply the regen shop by 100 and expect everyone to know that

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left is a exp dummy right is a hp dummy

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i broke hp bar though :c

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(i know why)

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i could make targets that spawn enemys/items depending on which one is hit

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im too lazy but just putting it out there

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 11:34 PM

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That would be funky, but probably only needed for specific tests at the moment

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Do the shops show negative numbers?

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 11:38 PM

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probably

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what is negative in this game

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 11:39 PM

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Shattering is what I was wondering

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If it’s really just bonus damage or actual armor reduction

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 11:46 PM

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cant figure out how to fix the dummy not having lots o hp without breaking exp dummy but heres my work so far

📎 f.txt

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i prob should just make boars or something

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oh no theres a better way

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but eyes too hurty rn

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Rest time

spring storm Nov 22, 2023, 11:48 PM

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i also needs to confirm a few enemys phmax to see if they make sense

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and scale

old summit Nov 22, 2023, 11:50 PM

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You’ve definitely figured out a hell of a lot so props to you for all of this

placid salmon Nov 22, 2023, 11:53 PM

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I'd like to suggest that this text on survivor skills be removed or replaced with the actual in-game keyboard/button icons

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it feels cluttered

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also please add cooldowns

stuck saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:56 PM

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placid salmon I'd like to suggest that this text on survivor skills be removed or replaced wit...

yup I planned on doing that at some point

stuck saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:56 PM

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placid salmon also please add cooldowns

and this also

placid salmon Nov 22, 2023, 11:57 PM

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bless

stuck saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:57 PM

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it's on my big to-do list somewhere

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issue I had for the icons is, there are so many

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there's like PC, Switch, Switch Pro, PS4, PS5, XboX

void tinsel Nov 23, 2023, 12:01 AM

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alright i can parse the layers of .rorlvl files now:

Layer(name=Back Color, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=16009)
Layer(name=MAIN, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=6707)
Layer(name=ROPES, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=991)
Layer(name=bTile16Snow -10, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=986)
Layer(name=Front Pillars, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=946)
Layer(name=Deco_1, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=549)
Layer(name=Back CAVE, tileset=ror:64_3, tileCount=5997)
Layer(name=FOG, tileset=ror:64_3, tileCount=0)
Layer(name=Front Deco1, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=150)
Layer(name=BackCave_2, tileset=ror:64_3, tileCount=901)
Layer(name=BackMountains1, tileset=ror:64_3, tileCount=2961)
Layer(name=Back Pillars, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=811)
Layer(name=BG_Bridges, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=111)
Layer(name=Bricks_Back, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=14)
Layer(name=Towers, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=3057)
Layer(name=snow2, tileset=ror:Tile16Snow, tileCount=18)```

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:02 AM

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so, according to the pHmax value, red whip is only a 46% increase in speed and not 60%

distant hazel Nov 23, 2023, 12:03 AM

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placid salmon I'd like to suggest that this text on survivor skills be removed or replaced wit...

this was basically made on the 2nd day of the game to fill the wiki with anything

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a better one is being planned

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:03 AM

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needs further testing of course but I go from 2.60 to 3.80

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:03 AM

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void tinsel alright i can parse the layers of .rorlvl files now: ```ancientValley_2.rorlvl: ...

ooooh nice

distant hazel Nov 23, 2023, 12:05 AM

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stuck saffron there's like PC, Switch, Switch Pro, PS4, PS5, XboX

my option was just to not have the input because that's way too many icons

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it'll look silly

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 12:06 AM

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why even have keybinds? just say primary secondary etc

distant hazel Nov 23, 2023, 12:06 AM

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or we can just have keyboard and switch because those are the main ones

distant hazel Nov 23, 2023, 12:06 AM

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spring storm why even have keybinds? just say primary secondary etc

I don't

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https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Skills

Risk of Rain Returns Wiki

Template:Skills

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 12:17 AM

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yeah if anything the keybinds would just be in a more main section explaining the game

eternal sage Nov 23, 2023, 12:19 AM

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void tinsel alright i can parse the layers of .rorlvl files now: ```ancientValley_2.rorlvl: ...

Have you figured out what the byte between the name and the tile count represents?

void tinsel Nov 23, 2023, 12:21 AM

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not yet

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 12:26 AM

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"Each survivor is equipped with four skills, commonly referred to as their Primary, Secondary, Utility and Special. The standard inputs for these skills are (list them) on keyboard, or (list them) for Switch controllers."

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something to that effect idk

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 12:59 AM

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Anyone else no longer have a background on the wiki, suddenly?

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 1:00 AM

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20% speed boost from loader secondary

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 1:01 AM

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I see some Common.css in recent changes, I think they may have accidentally broken the background, if this isn't isolated to me.

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 1:01 AM

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also ima start confirming all the stats in the sheets place btw, ima just say phmax is really the speed what we want without testing more @old summit

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:03 AM

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void flume Anyone else no longer have a background on the wiki, suddenly?

it was me, sorry, it is fixed now

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https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:InfoboxTest was trying stuff out for this, still need to fix some formatting issues because wikimedia likes putting <p> elements everywhere

Risk of Rain Returns Wiki

Template:InfoboxTest

Ancient Wisp
Banished and Chained

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 1:07 AM

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bandits util seems to add 1 phmax

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:08 AM

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spring storm also ima start confirming all the stats in the sheets place btw, ima just say ph...

Cool cool, ae was the person that set up all of that so I don’t know too much about it all

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 1:08 AM

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neato

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they copied miners hp wrong by a whole 1 value the horror

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do we know the math for armor?

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acrid has a base armor of 15? actually cracked

analog thunder Nov 23, 2023, 1:16 AM

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wow he's bulky huh

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 1:24 AM

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good ol acrid

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:26 AM

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Huh

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 1:27 AM

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ima see in game if acrid is like that it feels a bit too off

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acrid taking 12/30, commando taking 13/33,

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probably real

shadow tusk Nov 23, 2023, 1:33 AM

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Could probably add the associated boss item to each boss's page.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:50 AM

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Acrid has more than an entire teddy bear of armor

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 1:56 AM

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ima update the wiki with speed and funny acrid armor

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*speed by 10 to get km/h seems to be true

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assuming the enemys logs are correct

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:03 AM

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Did we want the teleporter in frame? Because I think we can hide that

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 2:14 AM

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are you going to mention the incorrectness of the damage numbers when showing that?

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it annoys me so much now that i know, aspecially how it applys to yourself, you can have a damage number that would kill you and youd be fine

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:16 AM

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I wonder if it’s possible to hide the damage numbers for that specific case

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 2:17 AM

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damage numbers are nice for attack rate sadly

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just delete the font all will be fine

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@old summit try to do an obscene amount of damage to either, break the damage numbers, have damage numbers going off screen maybe breaking them, or something else

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we can probably make him unkillable if that works

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:20 AM

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I haven’t tested the items yet but a stack of crowbars with hit list might do it (if crowbar isn’t bonus damage)

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 2:20 AM

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i meant just change your damage value but ig you could try sonethubg like that

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:21 AM

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True true

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I don’t have access to my comp for another few hours at the least

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 2:21 AM

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and im sleep

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 2:38 AM

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@old summit theres a setting to turn off damage numbers btw

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hopefully i can actually sleep now

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 2:46 AM

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old summit Did we want the teleporter in frame? Because I think we can hide that

I'd want it hidden for the gifs, if it's simple enough.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:46 AM

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spring storm hopefully i can actually sleep now

Go sleep

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:47 AM

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void flume I'd want it hidden for the gifs, if it's simple enough.

Ye I’m pretty sure there was an easy option for it to hide

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 2:47 AM

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Removing as much clutter as possible will make the gifs have a clear focus, which I think just looks nice as well

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:48 AM

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Cool cool I’ll add it to my list of things

vivid laurel Nov 23, 2023, 3:13 AM

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I have added Han-D's providence trial videos to their respective pages

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i'll upload Engineer's in a bit

vivid laurel Nov 23, 2023, 3:16 AM

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vivid laurel I have added Han-D's providence trial videos to their respective pages

and this of course includes this wacky run that shows off the whole level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P5c7VxzB9o

YouTube

Snoozey

Risk of Rain Returns - Main Systems Offline (Gold Rank, 33862 Points)

Gold Rank: 900
My Score: 33862

May have overshot the gold score by a little bit, haha. This trial is a ton of fun. If you're looking to explore every part of the level you need to use your keycards wisely, as they're in limited quantity. Typically you want to aim for feathers, as a handful of items and doors are locked behind jump height checks...

▶ Play video

woeful canopy Nov 23, 2023, 3:21 AM

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Providence trials page is scuffed on mobile, the image of the trial grid is massive. Idk how extensive the support is for modal content on the wiki, or if it's possible to stick a horizontal scroll on the image itself (and not the whole page). If neither is an option, some tomfoolery with tables might work while retaining the right appearance.

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old summit Nov 23, 2023, 3:31 AM

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Yee it’s shown up a few times in here but none of us have looked at mobile edits yet I don’t think

patent geode Nov 23, 2023, 4:02 AM

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sorry, wrong section, thanks for reply though

swift plinth Nov 23, 2023, 4:58 AM

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spring storm good ol acrid

Oh, I probably just missed Acrid's armor being nonzero. Does his in-game description list it?

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I also plan on revamping the animation data sheet, but truth be told, nothing I could do will be great without datamined animation data.

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Working copy has startup frames, charge frames, rate of fire (I am not looking at end lag and cancel windows individually), number of hits and refresh frames (for reloads, delay between multi-hit animations, etc.)

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But it got very tiring very fast, and I only did up to enforcer

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 5:02 AM

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Ye set it up however works for you, you’re the mastermind behind that section

swift plinth Nov 23, 2023, 5:03 AM

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We'll need an actual way to pull animation data at some point

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I'd like to do it how the soulsborne community handles this stuff, but it's honestly easier for weapon movesets in that context.

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Plus they have anim data

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Anyway, might look into that this weekend, probably won't do much until then regardless

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 5:06 AM

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Also request edit access so you can do it whenever if I’m not on

swift plinth Nov 23, 2023, 5:07 AM

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When I've got things sorted out I will

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 5:07 AM

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Cool cool AcridGroovin

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 7:53 AM

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How would you get images from the game's engine

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ik there are some already on the wiki, but I want to use them for my own purposes and apparently someone here did it already

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 7:54 AM

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have a look at the pins for this chat

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 8:12 AM

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woeful canopy Providence trials page is scuffed on mobile, the image of the trial grid is mass...

I think this is because I made the image clickable, so it doesn't resize properly on mobile

vivid laurel Nov 23, 2023, 8:13 AM

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added Engineer's trial videos to their respective pages

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 8:14 AM

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swift plinth We'll need an actual way to pull animation data at some point

We do have the whole animations in separate frames though

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 8:14 AM

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dense thicket How would you get images from the game's engine

UndertaleModTool, make sure to grab the bleeding edge version

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 8:15 AM

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Would there be any way to see the game's code?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 8:18 AM

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No, there isn't unfortunately

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:12 AM

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vivid laurel added Engineer's trial videos to their respective pages

nice, thank you 🙂

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 9:15 AM

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Added details for Classified Access Codes.

crystal onyx Nov 23, 2023, 9:28 AM

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compact fossil Added details for Classified Access Codes.

I did a little edit myself on this, I added a little note about how the Atlas Cannon appears on the stage you pick it up on, alongside subsequent stages, as I find that to be pretty useful info

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 9:30 AM

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👍

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:39 AM

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finally implemented that fancy infobox

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lemme know if you find issues with it

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:39 AM

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LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOOOO

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:39 AM

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(it'll take some time to appear on all pages)

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:39 AM

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Our baby

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I woke up to good news.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:40 AM

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hahaha

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I ended up finding a nice font under the Open Font License https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Silkscreen

Google Fonts

Silkscreen - Google Fonts

Silkscreen is a pixel typeface that was designed for rendering type at small sizes for web graphics. It’s got a chunky, retro-computing look that also works wel

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:40 AM

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Well, actually, I woke up to a bad news, but this was the good. PepeLaugh

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:41 AM

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past stratus Well, actually, I woke up to a bad news, but this was the good. <:PepeLaugh:7156...

it all balances out

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:41 AM

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As it should be

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There is one thing I noticed.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:43 AM

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wispcryyy

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:43 AM

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The bottom of the box doesn't have the space.

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Fairly low priority issue, but...

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Once you see it...

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SkarnerFlashbacks

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:45 AM

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yeah it's linked to padding

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 9:45 AM

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I'm debating how to word an addition to the Laser Turbine page.
I have 13 of them at the moment (charging 101.4% for skills) and the laser turbine seems to fire with a maximum rate of once per second.

I know it's worth noting the turbine max fire rate, but is including the related stack amount relevant?

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:48 AM

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@stuck saffron, did you change anything with the item hover descriptions?

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I don't remember this looking like that.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:49 AM

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huh

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which page is this

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:49 AM

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Also, insane value gained by having both pick up text and description at the same time.

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:50 AM

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stuck saffron which page is this

My sandbox for notes.

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https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/User:Celestine_Wish/Sandbox

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:51 AM

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past stratus Also, insane value gained by having both pick up text and description at the sam...

the amount of sass lol

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 9:51 AM

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void flume I'd want it hidden for the gifs, if it's simple enough.

its in the rorlvl despairge

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:51 AM

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stuck saffron the amount of sass lol

Sorry Gwenplead

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:52 AM

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past stratus My sandbox for notes.

so the way the tooltips work is I put a hidden element right next to the item link, and it only shows up when you hover the link

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so the TOC detects that since it's part of the HTML and it includes it in the title

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I didn't change anything but maybe it took some time for the cache to clear and to show up on your user page

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:53 AM

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This is the one time when I was happier with the cache delaying stuff.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:53 AM

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so a solution I see is to simply have an optional tooltip=false option in the {{ItemLink}} template

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you'd lose the tooltip on the title (which looks kinda weird anyway cause it's applying the bigger font from it being a title)

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:54 AM

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old summit its in the rorlvl <:despairge:1138311865978593341>

it all comes back to the rorlvl files wispcryyy

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:54 AM

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Magical web dev stuff

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:55 AM

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web is annoying sometimes

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a lot of the times actually

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 9:56 AM

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the option i was hoping would work only hides the beam that teleports you into the lvl

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:58 AM

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past stratus

is this better or should I have gone the other way lol

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:59 AM

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compact fossil I'm debating how to word an addition to the Laser Turbine page. I have 13 of th...

are you sure the max stacks is 13?

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we can test this tbh

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:00 AM

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stuck saffron we can test this tbh

🫡

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 10:00 AM

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Not fully sure, no.

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I'm assuming it is on the basis that rapidly using skills doesn't seem to affect the charge rate any further beyond that second.

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Or maybe there's a 1 cooldown cooldown for adding charge.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:01 AM

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what character are you on?

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 10:01 AM

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Huntress.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:01 AM

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cool cool

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 10:01 AM

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How does one get image perms here?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:01 AM

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I could send images from the start I think

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select a role in #roles maybe

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 10:02 AM

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Yep, that did it.

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Here are my items if that helps at all:

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:02 AM

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that's a lot of health

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 10:02 AM

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Yep.

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:03 AM

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stuck saffron is this better or should I have gone the other way lol

Can you show both version?

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Also, do we have gameplay footage of gilded golem constructs?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:04 AM

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interesting so turbine adds charge to it while you are in any skill animation and stops the frame you go back to idle

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:04 AM

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past stratus Also, do we have gameplay footage of gilded golem constructs?

i just took a screen shot of it

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:04 AM

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old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:04 AM

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but i can grab the code for it again

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:05 AM

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stuck saffron

(I meant where both sides respect space and where both sides do not.)

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I would rather have the first than what the current one is tho.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:05 AM

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aaah

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:06 AM

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It being consistent makes me feel nice.

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Also, I don't like that the corner there is touchy.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:07 AM

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could do this?

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:07 AM

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Yes?

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Gwenplead

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:07 AM

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alright let's do that then

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:08 AM

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compact fossil Or maybe there's a 1 cooldown cooldown for adding charge.

can confirm that there isnt a cap

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:08 AM

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old summit interesting so turbine adds charge to it while you are in any skill animation an...

so the longer your skill animation the more it charges kinda

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:08 AM

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im at 100 and doing 5 lasers during the animation of glaive

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:08 AM

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old summit i just took a screen shot of it

Can we spawn other interactables too?

compact fossil Nov 23, 2023, 10:08 AM

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Huh, interesting.

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:09 AM

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I want to scrap normal and gilded ones to check their drops.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:09 AM

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stuck saffron so the longer your skill animation the more it charges kinda

kinda yea but if you hold down a primary that doent stop you get max charge speed

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:09 AM

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past stratus Can we spawn other interactables too?

having a look now

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:09 AM

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past stratus I want to scrap normal and gilded ones to check their drops.

can't spawn drone recycler, it's linked to rorlvl I'm pretty sure

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:10 AM

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i want to see if theres any trials that spawn other interactables

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because i know the drone interactable can be triggered

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:11 AM

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btw here's what it looks like when a monster doesn't have a portrait
lots of empty space but I don't think it's too bad

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it's a lot better than before at least

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:11 AM

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velthinking

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I wonder if it would be okey to just have their idle/attack anim there as replacement.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:12 AM

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not sure I could fit that in cleanly

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let's leave it at that for now

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:12 AM

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Yeah, we would need to make unique files for that.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:13 AM

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old summit because i know the drone interactable can be triggered

you mean the drone on the ground, instead of having it in a chest?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:13 AM

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ya

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"create", "DroneGolemItem"

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:13 AM

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oh the ones in the scav trial are in the trial file?

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aaah

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:14 AM

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its from one of the loader trials

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:14 AM

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can we spawn actual chests / barrels then

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:14 AM

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theres a good chance

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:15 AM

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need to try a "create", "Chest1"

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IT WORKS

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:17 AM

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ayyyyyy

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:17 AM

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used the same coordinates as the dummy

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I'll try the recycler now

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:17 AM

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HootPray

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:18 AM

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let's gooooo

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:18 AM

#

AcridGroovin

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:20 AM

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what was the code for golem drone again

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need to try recycling a bunch of them

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:20 AM

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dronegolemS

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:20 AM

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AcridGroovin

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Isn't GolemS the gilded one?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:21 AM

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ye

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:21 AM

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btw the broken one is called "Dormant Construct" and when you awaken it's called "Acquainted Construct"

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just think that's neat

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:22 AM

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acquaintance golem

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also try spawning PDrone

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i think thats the player drone

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:23 AM

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first try with regular golem drone, got a boss item

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yeah ok it's only boss items with these guys

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I'm controlling both at the same time

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it's weird

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:25 AM

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LOL

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next lvl arti sun trial

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:26 AM

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stuck saffron yeah ok it's only boss items with these guys

What about normal construct drones?

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At least, I assume you spawned gilded ones.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:26 AM

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that was regular test i think

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:27 AM

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that was a regular yes

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:27 AM

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Nvm

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:27 AM

#

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:28 AM

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that would confuse so many people

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:28 AM

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I wonder if any devs look into this channel, just to see that we managed to dissect the game a little bit.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:28 AM

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it's mostly just a giant Json file but it's pretty cool

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:28 AM

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i keep wondering how they feel about us pulling all the strings apart

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:29 AM

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It's for a cause.

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azazelsalute

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:29 AM

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I hope they look here and we can ask why so many descriptions have wrong numbers 😡

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huh

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:32 AM

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We have been asking that for 3 games now at least, and I'm afraid to ask if DEADBOLT has the same issue. PepeLaugh

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:32 AM

#

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:32 AM

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Gilded ones drop 3 of the same items?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:32 AM

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wait my teleporter is gone

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:32 AM

#

golden drones give you 3 of the same item when you recycle them

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:33 AM

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POGGIES

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Okey, so scrapping gilded ones is not diminishing.

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LET'S GO

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:33 AM

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need to test with tier2 and golden drones that aren't golden

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well, combining 9 of the same drone to get the golden version and getting only 3 items is diminishing

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but there's no tier 2 golem drone I think so that one's fine

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:34 AM

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golden beam would be a good check

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:34 AM

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Into my notes, you go.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:34 AM

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Drone8S here we come

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I'll start with regular beam

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:35 AM

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im guessing laser is considered t1 beam t2 and gold beam t3?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:35 AM

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yes

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beam seems to be giving me reds only

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5 tries 5 reds

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:36 AM

#

which basically means the baby gun drones are worth the same as a laser

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wait normal beam is red?

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Based on this, I would assume that tier 1 drones give whites, tier 2 yield greens, tier 3 is worth reds.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:37 AM

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laser drone keeps giving me red whips

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ah it's because my loot pool is only whips

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hold on lmao

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:37 AM

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lol

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:37 AM

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LOL

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:38 AM

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so laser giving green makes it t2

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:38 AM

#

no I think it might not have been able to give me whites

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because the only thing in my common loot pool was a drone

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ok no it does give me greens

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weird

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:39 AM

#

infinite drone power scrap a drone for a free drone

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:40 AM

#

old summit infinite drone power scrap a drone for a free drone

lol I need to test this hold on

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:40 AM

#

im very intrested if gold beam is actually t4

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:40 AM

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will try right after this

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:41 AM

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ye id guess itll do similar to gold golem and triple the red

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:42 AM

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that's my guess as well

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lol

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:42 AM

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POWER

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:42 AM

#

MONEY

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(With Locked Jewel, oc)

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 AM

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also can you put this in yours

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"hide_stage_entrance" : true,

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 AM

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yup, for beams it goes green > red > 3 reds

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so laser is kind of a tier above the rest from the start

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:44 AM

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maybe flame drone as well

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:44 AM

#

old summit "hide_stage_entrance" : true,

it works

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 AM

#

good good

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 AM

#

attack gives green, golden attack should give red

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yup

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 AM

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i think med is t1-t2-t3

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 AM

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I'll try missile and flame

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Missile and flame start at green

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so same as laser

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:47 AM

#

we have the drone tiers

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:47 AM

#

Oh yeah, reminds me: Poiyuk, did we discover any stage where we can spawn any bosses?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:48 AM

#

healing does start as white

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:48 AM

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void flume I'd want it hidden for the gifs, if it's simple enough.

We got there, no more teleporter

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:48 AM

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past stratus Oh yeah, reminds me: Poiyuk, did we discover any stage where we can spawn any bo...

anywhere

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:48 AM

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Huh

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Really?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:49 AM

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same way we are spawning the dummy

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:49 AM

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Oh

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Because the last time we were in a call, we could not change the boar boss spawn, so I was wondering.

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BIG

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I can do a proper elite boss change write up then.

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Except cognant, because what I have seen so far is that they die before they could use any of their skills.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:50 AM

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past stratus Because the last time we were in a call, we could not change the boar boss spawn...

ye now we arent using the rorlvl to spawn the mob we are directly picking them

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:51 AM

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added the drone names to the naming convention page on the sheet, just in case we need to test more

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:51 AM

#

danke danke

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ill have a quick scroll through and see if i can spot any other starting call signs like hide spawn

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:54 AM

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What is the current way of doing things?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:54 AM

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replacing pretty much everything inside the first commando trial

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with stuff found in other trials

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:55 AM

#

bg has been a huge help with writing some of it as well

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:55 AM

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yeah he's found a bunch of stuff

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like multishop prices being able to display variables lol

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:56 AM

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"spawn_dead" : true,

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:56 AM

#

damn vscode is great

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:57 AM

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dayum

zealous flicker Nov 23, 2023, 10:57 AM

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past stratus We have been asking that for 3 games now at least, and I'm afraid to ask if DEAD...

Implying that it's an issue

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Datamining is awesome 😎

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The more accessible the better

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:58 AM

#

OMEGALUL

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:58 AM

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zealous flicker Implying that it's an issue

I don't know the game at all, so no idea if it even has any relevant tooltip related issues.

zealous flicker Nov 23, 2023, 10:58 AM

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Also yeah DEADBOLT is just as bad in readability

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Just take a look at the gun descriptions in the shop wispcryyy

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 10:59 AM

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I guess every dev studio needs to be known for something.

zealous flicker Nov 23, 2023, 10:59 AM

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Hopoo are known for ridiculously bs achievements and for not teaching the player anything

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They're epic like that

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:00 AM

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"activator_equipment" : "droneRepairKit", plus spawning an activator could be helpful

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:01 AM

#

we can just

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add trials

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:01 AM

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how have people not made ne wtrials yet

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:02 AM

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I was lazy.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:02 AM

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I'll restore a backup of the trials file and just use this as a testing ground lol

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:03 AM

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thats fair

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:05 AM

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old summit "activator_equipment" : "droneRepairKit", plus spawning an activator could be he...

could allow to test equipment interactions without having to worry about cooldowns

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though we could just spawn in with 99 mitosis

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:06 AM

#

also the cursed child cant access his prov skin

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"director_rate" : 6,
"director_spawn_delay" : 6,
"director_spawn_elite_type" : "blazing",

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seems like locking the director into only blazings

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:08 AM

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we can also get the exact score triggers for enemy spawns

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and their spawn chance looks like

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:09 AM

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yee

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im sorry but who in their right mind is triggering this

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["if", ["==", 0, ["%", ["score_get"], 2000]], [
["trigger", "OverloadingWorm"]

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in hot rope hop

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:09 AM

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Are you challenging me?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:10 AM

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seems like routine maintenance has a rare chest on it somewhere?

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and you can get scepter from it

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:10 AM

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old summit ["if", ["==", 0, ["%", ["score_get"], 2000]], [ ["trigge...

lmao what the hell

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:11 AM

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hot rope has some wild score triggers

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:12 AM

#

swift plinth Oh, I probably just missed Acrid's armor being nonzero. Does his in-game descrip...

acrid log says 0, but its actually 15

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its so out of left field i wonder if its an accident

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:12 AM

#

welcome back

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:12 AM

#

old summit hot rope has some wild score triggers

wait you get a cremator at 100 lol

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:13 AM

#

and another one

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:13 AM

#

stuck saffron seems like routine maintenance has a rare chest on it somewhere?

probably left in without any though left to it

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like the hunt

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:13 AM

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spring storm probably left in without any though left to it

yeah maybe the loot pool is set without any way to access it

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we'd need to be able to read rorlvl files to confirm

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:14 AM

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old summit and another one

[
              "if",
              [
                "==",
                [
                  "score_get"
                ],
                100
              ],
              [
                [
                  "trigger",
                  "SpawnTurtle"
                ]
              ]
            ],
            [
              "if",
              [
                "==",
                0,
                [
                  "%",
                  [
                    "score_get"
                  ],
                  250
                ]
              ],
              [
                [
                  "trigger",
                  "SpawnTurtle"
                ]
              ]
            ]
```why are these written differently

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 AM

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they wanted to understand what the fuck the code was doing prob

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so much more readable like that

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i hate how alot of this code looks

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 AM

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well it's not really "code" tbh

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 AM

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i wonder if it actually breaks at the 100 mark

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 AM

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it really is code, just dumb code

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:16 AM

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it's a giant json file that's being read by the actual code

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:16 AM

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doesn't mean it cant be code

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:16 AM

#

anyway you're right it's terrible to read

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:17 AM

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stuck saffron well it's not really "code" tbh

It is code.

#

You see it as a JSON, but this gets read in and translated into code.

#

Actually

#

There is too many things we can be pedantic about...

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:18 AM

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yeah I realized it's a dumb thing to get hung up on lol

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:18 AM

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Technically, it's not code right now, so you are not incorrect.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:18 AM

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let's just agree it's awful to decypher

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:18 AM

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But it is essentially used to store code.

#

psyduckmas

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:19 AM

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its probably fairly close to being turing complete tbh, i think we dont have any way to make a loop though

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:20 AM

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My first attempt trying to change anything in Commando's first trial failed and I'm soft-locked. KEKW

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:21 AM

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lol

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:21 AM

#

this runs on stage start for Get Off My Lawn

#

I can't fathom why

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:21 AM

#

theres a director in the bandit gold trial for some reason as well

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"director_spawn_delay" : 10000,

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:22 AM

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why not just give the director 0 credits

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:22 AM

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old summit "director_spawn_delay" : 10000,

does this mean if you wait 10000s in the trial enemies will start to spawn

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:23 AM

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maybe? thats my guess

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:23 AM

#

who has 3h to waste

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:23 AM

#

ill leave my game on over the day and see if i die

#

wait

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:24 AM

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stuck saffron does this mean if you wait 10000s in the trial enemies will start to spawn

I think it's in steps.

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:24 AM

#

ill just change the spawn delay

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:24 AM

#

already on it

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:24 AM

#

It has to be in steps, no?

#

10 000 steps is 166.66 seconds (2 minutes and 46.66 seconds).

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:25 AM

#

no spawns yet

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:26 AM

#

past stratus 10 000 steps is 166.66 seconds (2 minutes and 46.66 seconds).

that might be more reasonable

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:26 AM

#

old summit no spawns yet

director probably has 0 credits by default

#

the delay might be leftover from testing or smth?

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:26 AM

#

Commando's first trial has initialSpawnTimer set to 300, which should be 5 seconds.

#

It has to be steps.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:27 AM

#

past stratus Commando's first trial has `initialSpawnTimer` set to 300, which should be 5 sec...

good catch

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:27 AM

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Yes, the first Lemurian spawns after 5 seconds.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:28 AM

#

e exchange has a delay of 2

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:29 AM

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stuck saffron good catch

"Step" is the name of the logic frame in GameMaker, but alternatively you can call it just frame. The game speed is set to 60, so 60 fps.

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:30 AM

#

should just be called tick

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:30 AM

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They are interchangable as far as I'm aware, but tick usually refers to server frames.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:30 AM

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depends if thelowering the fps slows it down

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:31 AM

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Based on what the devs said, it does.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:31 AM

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interesting

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:31 AM

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They can't implement 144 support on-launch because "they need to overhaul the whole game."

#

Which just means that they did not use delta times or variable variables depending on the frame rate set.

#

One of Acrid's trials also shows this btw.

#

It can sometimes cause lags and the frames are not skipping, so you actually have to wait out until the frames are processed.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:33 AM

#

which means that when you lag out the game you cant die

#

as easily

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:33 AM

#

I mean, the game is not processing at all. lol

#

So I guess you are not wrong still?

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:34 AM

#

its so cool when you have 100 overloading magma worms and the game goes to 0.01 fps so you literally cant proceed because of this

#

i waited 2 hours for virtually nothing to change

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:34 AM

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Why would you have 100 overloading magma worms in the first place? WWNeekoLaugh_Janeh

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:34 AM

#

prestige is the best artifact

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:34 AM

#

Oh

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:34 AM

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left guy right guy

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"trigger", "FireSpawnLeftGuy2"

#

oh shit flyingguy

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:35 AM

#

does anyone know what they mean when they say Firetrail?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:35 AM

#

the fire elites

#

the boar in our original test enviro had it

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:36 AM

#

I wonder if blazing elites with that would lay double the fire trails for double the damage.

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:37 AM

#

but we have
["elite_set", ["get_arg", 0], "blazing"] ]] ]], [ "if", [">", ["score_get"], 199], [ ["if", ["chance", 0.5], [ ["elite_set", ["get_arg", 0], "blazing"] ], [ ["if", ["chance", 0.5], [ ["elite_set", ["get_arg", 0], "overloading"]

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:37 AM

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ya its seperate

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:37 AM

#

Can you stack fire trails? velthinking

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:38 AM

#

look at huntress4

#

the fire trail is created by all the big boars

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:39 AM

#

past stratus My first attempt trying to change anything in Commando's first trial failed and ...

Turns out that spawnBoar is wrong argument.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:42 AM

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pVspeed pGravity pFriction seem like interesting things

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:42 AM

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I wonder why p is the name.

grave rose Nov 23, 2023, 11:43 AM

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player?

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:43 AM

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Yes, but why?

#

Do they need monsters to have different movement stuff?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:43 AM

#

its used in the enji one where mobs keep falling

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:43 AM

#

hey @spring storm regarding speed are you sure we can just x10 phMax to get km/h

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:44 AM

#

fairly sure

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:44 AM

#

like is that consistent with the phMax of a Lemurian for instance

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:44 AM

#

loader walks exactly as fast as a child

#

child 24km/h loader is 2.4 phmax

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:44 AM

#

if we trust the logbooks happiesttroll

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:44 AM

#

spring storm loader walks exactly as fast as a child

huh interesting

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:45 AM

#

trusting the all mighty log books which never told lies besides that one acrid funny

#

you could just spawn in a dozen enemys and check their phmax

#

i did not feel like it since i wanted to make sure in real game phmax was right

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:46 AM

#

it's just that if we put every speed in km/h we need to make sure it's somewhat consistent

#

guess I'll try to put the phmax of a lemurian onto a shop

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:48 AM

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i wonder how tall/short the characters are if you turn this speed into distance and measure

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:49 AM

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stuck saffron it's just that if we put every speed in km/h we need to make sure it's somewhat ...

Check the speed of childs.

#

Since bg just said that Loader runs as fast as childs, and we know Loader's speed value.

#

Get the value of child's and it's confirmed.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:50 AM

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i wonder how much of a speed increase it is for the fast elite

grave rose Nov 23, 2023, 11:51 AM

#

did you know you can stand on top of the terrain enemies? do I add that to trivia?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:52 AM

#

which ones?

grave rose Nov 23, 2023, 11:52 AM

#

trokk

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:53 AM

#

like on their heads before the bite or after they die?

grave rose Nov 23, 2023, 11:53 AM

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any time they're alive and not attacking

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:53 AM

#

wild

#

id say its good trivia

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:55 AM

#

I have Child at 2.34 phmax

#

which would round up to 24

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:56 AM

#

oh no

#

ah

#

hopefully

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:56 AM

#

since everything seems to round up

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:58 AM

#

rat_HUH

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:58 AM

#

past stratus "Step" is the name of the logic frame in GameMaker, but alternatively you can ca...

I just realized what the "onStep" trigger is

#

damn it

#

it makes so much more sense than "every time you take a step" lmao

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:59 AM

#

WWNeekoLaugh_Janeh

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:59 AM

#

Lemurians are 2.16 which rounds up to 22, so seems consistent

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:59 AM

#

its pretty obvious who has done stuff in game maker before (not me)

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 PM

#

Hi UWU_Gwen

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 PM

#

ok so phMax*10 rounded up = km/h

#

good enough for me

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 PM

#

is the survivors one full numbers?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 PM

#

yeah

#

well, they're still decimals, but only one digit

#

like 2.40 and not 2.42 or something

#

dunno how to properly say that in english

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:02 PM

#

it could be slightly slower so you can run away from them?

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:02 PM

#

old summit its pretty obvious who has done stuff in game maker before (not me)

The license for compiling games for non-commercial stuff is about to be completely free soon! You can give it a try if you want to.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:03 PM

#

past stratus The license for compiling games for non-commercial stuff is about to be complete...

it is free now!

#

they announced it a couple days ago!

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:03 PM

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past stratus The license for compiling games for non-commercial stuff is about to be complete...

i can frankenstein code together, im horrible at writing it candwich

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:04 PM

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huge W for GameMaker

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:04 PM

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dayum

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:04 PM

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Oh, it's already in?

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BIG

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:04 PM

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old summit it could be slightly slower so you can run away from them?

I think, like health, that speed is rounded up, and that rounded up value is what's used in game

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:05 PM

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I don't think so.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:05 PM

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lets set the skills to the base and then lock them 🙂

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"skill0" : 0,
"skill1" : 0,
"skill2" : 0,
"skill3" : 0,
"skill0_locked" : true,
"skill3_locked" : true,
"skill2_locked" : true,

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:05 PM

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Does it really serve any purpose to round them?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:06 PM

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we know damage is rounded

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:06 PM

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actually you know what I rescind that

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Loader is slightly faster than a Child

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:07 PM

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Damage stat or damage dealt?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:07 PM

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stuck saffron I think, like health, that speed is rounded up, and that rounded up value is wha...

try spawning two with one of them having rounded speed

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:07 PM

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like a tiny little bit

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:07 PM

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Oh

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:07 PM

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ayyyy

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:07 PM

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so they're not rounded up in game

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:08 PM

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past stratus Damage stat or damage dealt?

7.2 from commandos primary deals 8 to the health bar

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:08 PM

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But the health bar uses rounding too.

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:08 PM

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ye we checked

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:08 PM

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Did you track the total health with the shops?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:08 PM

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after 5 hits it was 40 damage

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:09 PM

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Oh

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:09 PM

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tried that with the health bar, not the shops

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:09 PM

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So it's a ceil rounding.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:10 PM

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but I think it'll end up the same, cause 40dmg instead of 36 is a big difference

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:10 PM

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ah yes the item "Orbiter"

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 12:11 PM

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i wonder if i could make an in game option to set skills available

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:11 PM

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old summit ah yes the item "Orbiter"

hahah did a double take when I saw that one

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"which item is this ffs"

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:11 PM

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some of these shop names are wild

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:11 PM

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spring storm i wonder if i could make an in game option to set skills available

that would be really cool

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once the rorlvl gets properly cracked we could make an amazing test enviro

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:13 PM

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I'll put all interactable names in the sheet too

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there's a lot

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:13 PM

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cool cool

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i added gold golem and the tiers

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 12:15 PM

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also phmax is probably units/step

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:15 PM

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hand3 has some intersting things

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offscreen indicators

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 12:16 PM

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hunt also has that

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:17 PM

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"BallCounter"

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the most important

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:26 PM

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spring storm also phmax is probably units/step

It is, 99%. Well, in GM is pixels, but basically same thing.

hexed viper Nov 23, 2023, 12:29 PM

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stuck saffron Loader is *slightly* faster than a Child

this is funny out of context

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:30 PM

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old summit cool cool

done, I think I got all interactables

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there are some I'm not sure about

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:31 PM

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hexed viper this is funny out of context

mechanical cleaner should be able to out run a child

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:31 PM

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stuck saffron there are some I'm not sure about

cool cool

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im sure theyll come up in testing anyways

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:35 PM

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hexed viper this is funny out of context

I find it strange, considering that childs are implied to be the end of their life cycle.

hexed viper Nov 23, 2023, 12:36 PM

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you know they probably didnt think of it back in 1

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:36 PM

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oh MediaViewer is on the wiki

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didn't even realize

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:37 PM

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ooooo

hexed viper Nov 23, 2023, 12:37 PM

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they just decided to fuck with the familial species when they added sky meadows in 2

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:38 PM

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is grandparent the true baby then

hexed viper Nov 23, 2023, 12:40 PM

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it does make sense from a logbook standpoint, commando's notes were probably the first known human recordings of the species, and by the events of 2 more investigations must have been done with their ecology

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:40 PM

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old summit is grandparent the true baby then

Parent

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:40 PM

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daaaamn @past stratus this looks sick

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:41 PM

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past stratus Parent

where do the grandparents fit into the family tree?

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:41 PM

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old summit where do the grandparents fit into the family tree?

Dying

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:41 PM

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need to do the same for every infobox wispcryyy

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:41 PM

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past stratus Dying

lmaoo

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 12:41 PM

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It's the cycle of a sun.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:42 PM

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"where are you in the family tree?"
"dead"

smoky juniper Nov 23, 2023, 12:48 PM

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stuck saffron need to do the same for every infobox <:wispcryyy:930220148093235200>

I've noticed that it doesn't apply to all infoboxes

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why is that?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:49 PM

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this is only for the enemy infoboxes for now

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I moved away from the portable infobox template in order to be able to do this

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so it only applies to this for now

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:51 PM

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past stratus Dying

it goes parent - Grandparent - child in age at the very least

grave rose Nov 23, 2023, 12:51 PM

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planula -> parent -> grandparent -> child. it's normal until they get old and collapse into a small dense being. I think it's suppose to mimic the lifecycle of a star

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:51 PM

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oooh I never knew that, it's neat

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:53 PM

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i like the trivia on the planula page that guesses that we have killed EVERY child which is why they dont show up in ror2

smoky juniper Nov 23, 2023, 12:53 PM

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grave rose planula -> parent -> grandparent -> child. it's normal until they get old and co...

I thought it was planula > child > grandparent > parent?

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or wait no

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child > planula > grandparent > parent

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child lays planula, grandparent fertilizes it, from which hatches a parent

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who protects the children

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:54 PM

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"And the grandparent is the youngest?"

"Younger than the child, yes. But not the youngest."

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:54 PM

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very confusing but it makes sense

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 12:57 PM

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it does make it odd as to why there are no grandparents in ror1

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thanks fandom, ill llenge my friends

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 12:59 PM

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haha this extension rules (wrong wiki but still)

smoky juniper Nov 23, 2023, 12:59 PM

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old summit "And the grandparent is the youngest?" "Younger than the child, yes. But not th...

which lines up

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it's the middle point between child and parent

grave rose Nov 23, 2023, 1:00 PM

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old summit it does make it odd as to why there are no grandparents in ror1

real answer: retcon
no retcons answer: their entire population is synchronised leading to nobody being in the age range for a grandparent in ror1, and since there's no grandparents in ror1 there's nobody to grow up into children in ror2

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:01 PM

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smoky juniper it's the middle point between child and parent

the loop is child makes egg, egg hatches into parent, parent ages into grandparent then into child which makes egg again

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 1:01 PM

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grave rose real answer: retcon no retcons answer: their entire population is synchronised l...

Alternatively, we just simply did not meet them yet.

smoky juniper Nov 23, 2023, 1:02 PM

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old summit the loop is child makes egg, egg hatches into parent, parent ages into grandpare...

but the grandparent isn't the youngest

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:02 PM

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parent is

smoky juniper Nov 23, 2023, 1:02 PM

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ok yes I misread

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that's the right cycle

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literally just think of them as stellar bodies

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on second thought if you're not a nerd just don't think about it at all

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:05 PM

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lmao

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if you've played outer wilds you know that sun goes big before going boom

smoky juniper Nov 23, 2023, 1:05 PM

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yeah it's still a good analogy

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and most likely what hopoo was going for

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:07 PM

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grave rose real answer: retcon no retcons answer: their entire population is synchronised l...

all the children we kill become the planulas in 2!

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its interesting how they do the forced recycle into blades for the drifter trial. make mob drop tooth, only item in white item pool is blade

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so you could recycle the blade back into a blade

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:10 PM

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infinite blades

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:11 PM

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"treasure_weights" : {
"drifterGift"

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we can designate a square for checks

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in gup sorting it has it

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 1:19 PM

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smoky juniper Nov 23, 2023, 1:19 PM

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lol

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:21 PM

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they gave a vagrant in the pilot parachute trial a tesla coil

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 1:22 PM

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I was about to ask if we can write code to give items to monsters, but you just typed that.

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BIG

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The amount of stuff we can do with this information is insane.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:23 PM

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oh yeah we can

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I gave a Dummy a Dio's yesterday to test smth

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:24 PM

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["if", ["is_object", ["get_arg", 0], "Crab"], [
["set", ["get_arg", 0], "free", true],
["set", ["get_arg", 0], "pGravity1_base", 0.24],
["set", ["get_arg", 0], "armor_base", 99999],

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any idea what free would be?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:36 PM

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it's used to detect a fail state in the pilot gliding trial

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so I'm guessing it's a "falling" state

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"freefall" or smth

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also used to detect a fail state in pilot crab trial

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so yeah I think it's just falling / not touching the ground

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:39 PM

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ye the crab wa where i found it

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:40 PM

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was trying to fix the boss dummy HP but I have a better idea

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I'll just spawn lizards with 0 speed and 0 dmg as XP bags

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:46 PM

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and you can probably disable the ai i cant remember is bg got it working

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 1:46 PM

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Where are we noting these btw? WWNeekoLaugh_Janeh

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 1:47 PM

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mercenarydance

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 1:47 PM

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engineerdance

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I can barely catch up with these already.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:51 PM

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huuuuh

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anyway

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is there a way to remove knockback on an enemy

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like when you hit it it doesn't move

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 1:52 PM

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Give it knockback resistance?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:52 PM

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there should be since dummies don't move

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 1:52 PM

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past stratus Give it knockback resistance?

I'd love to but what's the string for that lol

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oh wait found smth

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gonna test

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ok didn't work but it doesn't matter, I set them to one HP, they can't get knocked back if they die in one hit

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alright I have the test envo set up with infinite 1HP immobile Lemurians that give 100XP a pop, and a 9999HP Dummy

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in case someone wants it

📎 testEnv.txt

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:06 PM

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oh yea should also mention its using an extra trial tile

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 2:06 PM

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oh true I should've renamed it to commando1 before sending

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:07 PM

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hopefully people read 🙂

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 2:07 PM

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🙂

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they don't

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Henri

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 2:21 PM

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stuck saffron I'd love to but what's the string for that lol

Try knockback_cap or similars.

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It was what it was called in the original.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 2:22 PM

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that's what I found but I'm not sure it worked

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anyway they're 1 HP now so heh

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I need to start recording damage values

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 2:23 PM

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rat_HUH

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 2:23 PM

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just need to remove the XP from the lemurians to test HAN-D drones

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 2:25 PM

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Did we confirm the damage multipliers of elites?

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We know HP, but I did not see damage.

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Reading the old stuff reminded me.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 2:28 PM

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nope, need to test this as well

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HAN-D alt special deals 100x5 and not 90%x5

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aaah no

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each hit is rounded up ofc

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no still does 100%

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weird

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 2:44 PM

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past stratus Reading the old stuff reminded me.

Some of the stuff we wrote down on the big google sheet

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If you request edit access in the next couple mins dm me otherwise I might be asleep

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 3:06 PM

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backblast dmg is boosted by a lot if you're scorching

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why is the number not mentioned anywhere wispcryyy

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goes from 200% to 300%

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 3:35 PM

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stuck saffron why is the number not mentioned anywhere <:wispcryyy:930220148093235200>

🙂

vagrant vapor Nov 23, 2023, 4:16 PM

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The Wiki states that “Prophet’s cape” is unlocked by default, but (given that the wiki seems to be ordered by logbook position) it is locked and states “Commando: Dodge 7 lethal attacks”

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 4:22 PM

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stuck saffron each hit is rounded up ofc

prob good idea to multiply uour damage value by 100 when testing those

vagrant vapor Nov 23, 2023, 4:22 PM

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vagrant vapor The Wiki states that “Prophet’s cape” is unlocked by default, but (given that th...

I have just now unlocked it using glass, this challenge unlocks it, please fix this on the wiki

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 4:22 PM

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or just set it to 1000

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 4:33 PM

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vagrant vapor I have just now unlocked it using glass, this challenge unlocks it, please fix t...

thx, fixed

swift plinth Nov 23, 2023, 5:37 PM

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stuck saffron We do have the whole animations in separate frames though

Unless I was mistaken, we can only see which (drawn) keyframes are included in an animation, and not timing information.

e.g. bandit's primary has 4 drawn frames but has a firing rate of 13 frames in game.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 5:50 PM

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ah right, didn't know this

sick coyote Nov 23, 2023, 6:05 PM

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I cannot find any pictures of the drones for risk of rain returns. Is there somewhere I can find a collection of the pictures for the drones in risk of rain returns?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 6:22 PM

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we have a google doc with the spritesheets in the pins

wintry cloak Nov 23, 2023, 6:23 PM

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The page for Classified Access Codes is wrong. It does not cap at 3 stacks / 80%. I did my own testing and can confirm that the damage percentage keeps increasing following this pattern, except at 3 stacks where it does slightly less (around 1% max HP). Unless I coincidentally made a mistake at 3 stacks like the previous tester, it seems to be bugged.

green sequoia Nov 23, 2023, 6:42 PM

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I need to start paying attention to this channel more because you guys started datamining code and editing trials and stuff and now I'm interested

orchid sundial Nov 23, 2023, 6:42 PM

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stuck saffron we have a google doc with the spritesheets in the pins

acshually its a google drive NERD

green sequoia Nov 23, 2023, 6:43 PM

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true

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 6:49 PM

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green sequoia I need to start paying attention to this channel more because you guys started d...

Technically speaking, we are not datamining the game code itself, it just a JSON that gets read in and turned into code, but much more limtied in what it let us do.

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Nerd

green sequoia Nov 23, 2023, 6:50 PM

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ah I see
makes sense

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 6:50 PM

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green sequoia I need to start paying attention to this channel more because you guys started d...

I've got my own little test trial

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 6:50 PM

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We can only edit the trials.

green sequoia Nov 23, 2023, 6:50 PM

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I'm aware of that much

green sequoia Nov 23, 2023, 6:50 PM

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stuck saffron I've got my own little test trial

thats pretty sick

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my only question then would be how?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 6:52 PM

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in the game's data folder you have a trials folder

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main.trials is where the JSON is, in here I put some code for a new trial, using data from the first commando trial

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and in main.trials_layout I added my trial to the top left

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#ror-wiki-discussion message this is what I put in to create the new trial, based on bgkillas and GOD_Poiyuk's work

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 6:55 PM

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old summit We got there, no more teleporter

Great! I probably have all the things I'd want to get started on some survivor gifs, now I just have to figure out how to get access to this stuff myself

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 6:55 PM

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wintry cloak The page for Classified Access Codes is wrong. It does not cap at 3 stacks / 80%...

can you edit the page with the correct information?

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:04 PM

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the keys to the kingdom are mine

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:05 PM

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you can place the dummy wherever you want btw

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just gotta get the coordinates right

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:06 PM

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the lemurian trying to escape its invisible prison is entertaining

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:07 PM

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yeah it doesn't like having 0 speed

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:08 PM

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The barrels are part of rorlvl, I imagine?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:08 PM

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yeah

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haven't tried despawning them

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:09 PM

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Ah it should be fine, I think I can move the lemurian further left to get the space I want

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:10 PM

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yeah or just delete the part that spawns it

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oh I can despawn chests and barrel!

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very easily

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:11 PM

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Ah, great!

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The chest with the drone will be useful though, for sure

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:12 PM

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[
  "despawn_obj",
  "Barrel1"
],
[
  "despawn_obj",
  "Barrel2"
],
[
  "despawn_obj",
  "Chest1"
],
[
  "despawn_obj",
  "Chest2"
],```

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just add this in the "onStageStart" section

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:13 PM

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void flume The chest with the drone will be useful though, for sure

yeah it's been great to confirm some things

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for instance some golden drones give 3 items when you recycle them, and the golem drone always gives boss items

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:26 PM

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I've added a positive 3 to the Y of the dummy, because it seems to be floating otherwise

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:29 PM

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huh you're right I never noticed

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:31 PM

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Now, how would I get more dummies around, IE to show off piercing or AoE abilities? I'm wary about just copying a block of code and pasting it.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 7:32 PM

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you can pretty much copy-paste the "create Dummy" part and change the x coordinate

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 7:33 PM

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Aha, thank you

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so it begins

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 8:38 PM

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Oh that looks might strange, thank you discord.

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Hold on..

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321231960880054273/1177347691223711874/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_OwP5DjijJf.gif?ex=65722d7b&is=655fb87b&hm=d5d77a92c26510de6aca4d31bac14012c44048194fc29cc049e14b12bcf80b7a&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321231960880054273/1177347691961917500/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_X6FvrcR8xf.gif?ex=65722d7b&is=655fb87b&hm=9cdd2964f59b7a9e5e264bf023b95c2594f712728d6b8e7d49cd2132b020e951&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321231960880054273/1177347691555082260/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_cc7WLT9P1K.gif?ex=65722d7b&is=655fb87b&hm=e3ebe53c280015be9c35c0da7d33196c0f7b899299279d695070dc4477888dbf&

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the mandr

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 8:44 PM

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void flume https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321231960880054273/1177347691223711874/Ri...

haha love the jellyfishes

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 8:45 PM

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Is it documented how Heaven Cracker actually works

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 8:46 PM

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What do you mean by that?

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 8:46 PM

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Like does it charge on any skill use or just primary, and how does it determine damage dealt

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 8:46 PM

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It seemed only work on primary when I was tinkering with it.

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As for real damage dealt, I don't know if it's different than the description.

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 8:48 PM

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I haven't tinkered with it

scenic fulcrum Nov 23, 2023, 8:48 PM

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Nothin concrete but it's only seen working on primary attacks, and it more or less overrides the attack it procs on with it's own (hence passives breaking with it)
It's a strange item for sure

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 8:48 PM

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Really just trying to figure out if taking it on sniper is just kinda bad, or OMEGA TROLLING

scenic fulcrum Nov 23, 2023, 8:51 PM

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AltP sniper, probably mega trolling since it nukes the knockback factor
Base? I wish i could test but unless the damage is remarkable i'd say it's just a bad

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Also depends on if reload bonuses apply to it

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 8:55 PM

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I think I screwed up something.

scenic fulcrum Nov 23, 2023, 8:56 PM

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Acrid_HeadEmpty

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 8:57 PM

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Wait what

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None of the trials have maps associated, except for the first.

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I didn't do anything related to this?

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Oh well, good thing that I took a safe copy.

rough agate Nov 23, 2023, 9:00 PM

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think someone can help go through every single monster n boss page and edit the very tops of them to NOT say Commando?

Commando is believed by the community to be The Survivor, but its never confirmed. What'd be more accurate is to make it quoted to The Survivor.

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:06 PM

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scenic fulcrum Nothin concrete but it's only seen working on primary attacks, and it more or le...

It's also insane on Arti if you want to swap up your playstyle a bit.

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At low attack speed, you need to spam the primary tho, but at higher you are fine to just hold it.

scenic fulcrum Nov 23, 2023, 9:08 PM

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Oh lordy i didnt even think of what stacking heaven cracker could do on arti

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 9:33 PM

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past stratus At low attack speed, you need to spam the primary tho, but at higher you are fin...

Wait does she shoot faster if you tapfire?

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 9:33 PM

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a lot of attacks do!

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 9:34 PM

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Even with the "autofire" accessibility option?

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 9:34 PM

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Aye, even with it.

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 9:34 PM

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Wtf

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 9:34 PM

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It seems more like an oversight than intentional behavior, right?

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 9:35 PM

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Definitely

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Bandit is the only character that advertises such a function

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And especially when there's an anti-carpal-tunnel accessibility option

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Having it so you still need to tapfire for max DPS would suck

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 9:40 PM

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placid salmon Bandit is the only character that advertises such a function

mercenary and and loader have combos if you spam click as well

placid salmon Nov 23, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Yeah but that's not the same and those still fire with the accessibility option

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 9:45 PM

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placid salmon Wait does she shoot faster if you tapfire?

Yes, but you always have to mash it for it.

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I don't know what autofire does exactly, but it did not do anything different for Arti. I still had to mash it to fire faster.

scenic fulcrum Nov 23, 2023, 9:50 PM

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Even SLICE on chef has some mash speed

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:16 PM

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@stuck saffron Do you recall if you or the others got Alt abilities working with the testing trials?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:18 PM

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oh is that not included? my bad

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you see the skill0: 0, skill1: 1, etc. towards the top?

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replace 0 with 1 for alt ability

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or 2 in the case of HAN-D's second alt secondary

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talking about this, just to be clear

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:19 PM

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Ah, I can see it part of the adjacent Pilot trial, I can just copy from there

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Thank you!

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Really just, massive props to the dev team for getting the boot speed of this game so fast. Makes tinkering with this stuff so much faster

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321231960880054273/1177376594331975750/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_9UoFLuSLm4.gif?ex=65724866&is=655fd366&hm=7113c8ab83b031b9f50088225d325d027e33e968f5b0b8d90770cea7ce6c879a&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321231960880054273/1177376595376361562/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_CeuwfCF5QC.gif?ex=65724866&is=655fd366&hm=61c4d559b59f67537e28afe6c3ae7dcc3e8d178609ddc07b6c849842e354cf4d&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321231960880054273/1177376594709446666/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_WuqavWD3Jn.gif?ex=65724866&is=655fd366&hm=98035742bb3654c18c77078c2e7698c49fb05f43c8f9568acc2dad688171323d&

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Well there's all the mandr gifs, now it's a question of how to implement them..

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:37 PM

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wait oh my god does shotgun pierce??

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these gifs are going to look so damn good on the wiki ChefKiss

scenic fulcrum Nov 23, 2023, 10:39 PM

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the terraria style example gifs actually slap

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 10:41 PM

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granite flax wait oh my god does shotgun pierce??

its the reason why its so good

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:41 PM

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Before I start messing with every other survivor, I'm going to tinker and tamper with the commando page to see how I can get these implemented while looking good.

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 10:42 PM

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i still do hate the damage numbers variation

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wish that could be disabled

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:42 PM

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Every file is uploaded to the database now as well, if anyone needs them

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 10:42 PM

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will likely cause alot of confusion since its so zoomed in

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 PM

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whats the naming scheme?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 PM

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void flume Before I start messing with every other survivor, I'm going to tinker and tamper...

keep in mind the whole skills section will likely be reworked

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 PM

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Same as the icons, except "Dummy" is added at the end

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 PM

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perfectttt

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love the skill icons naming scheme

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 PM

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How do you get the exported sprites to be not-shit quality

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:43 PM

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granite flax love the skill icons naming scheme

personally I hate it lol

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skill names would have been much simpler

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:44 PM

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Bcause I downloaded them and they're tiny to the point of being useless

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:44 PM

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sprites are tiny

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they are very very small because the game is very very small

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 10:44 PM

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your image viewer may be shit and could be anti aliasing it

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 PM

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spring storm your image viewer may be shit and could be anti aliasing it

Probably that, I'm using the default windows image viewer

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Which one do you use?

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 PM

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i dont use windows

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 PM

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I like how tiny the color sprite images are

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 PM

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what do you need them for?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 PM

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sprites on the wiki are upscaled for the most part

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 PM

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I was thinking about making my own guide for a specific character and wanted to add them

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:45 PM

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then yeah youll want to upscale them

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:46 PM

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Alright

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What program do you use for that

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:48 PM

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i personally use firealpaca but i would imagine pretty much any standard image editing software would work

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:48 PM

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I used GIMP for the HAN-D icons

scenic fulcrum Nov 23, 2023, 10:49 PM

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as someone who does spritework as a nice hobby i literally just use paint.net

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:49 PM

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void flume I used GIMP for the HAN-D icons

I have that conveniently enough

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:49 PM

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btw @void flume you can give yourself starting items to make testing easier

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backup magazines or whatever

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:50 PM

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dense thicket I have that conveniently enough

Just make sure you turn Interpolation to none on the resize tool

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:50 PM

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stuck saffron btw <@129659119358574592> you can give yourself starting items to make testing e...

Aye, I've been putting them in the multishops, but that works too

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 10:50 PM

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i would recommend directly editing image size rather than a resize or transform tool

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:50 PM

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For the slide I had a hardlight afterburner

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:51 PM

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you can give yourself multiple different items, any number you want

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in the spreadsheet there's a section with all the correct item names if you need it

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:51 PM

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void flume For the slide I had a hardlight afterburner

We are working on finding more of the shop names for items still but all the directly given ones are in there

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:52 PM

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stuck saffron in case someone wants it

This is fantastic btw

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:52 PM

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I don't want to use any items that give a visual effect, so unfortunately Alien Head was written off. But Backup Mag and Hardlight are handy to have

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:52 PM

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Amethyst could be helpful

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:52 PM

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Ah true, good call

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Rapid Mitosis shouldn't have an effect either to my knowledge, so that will be great

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:54 PM

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Just sent you the doc link just in case

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:55 PM

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"starting_items": [
  [
    "hardlightAfterburner",
    99
  ],
  [
    "backupMagazine",
    99
  ],
  [
    "rapidMitosis",
    99
  ]
],
"starting_equipment": "giganticAmethyst",
```just in case you need it

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Speeeed skills

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Where do you put this code

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:57 PM

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we need to make a guide lol

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:57 PM

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We really do

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:57 PM

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Would be nice

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:58 PM

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dense thicket Where do you put this code

we're basically modifying a trial in the RoRR folder/data/trials/main.trials file

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Modifying the trial you made yourself?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Ye

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Or any of them

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 10:59 PM

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the trial I'm using is just a copy/paste of the first commando trial, heavily modified

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:59 PM

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It's also turned into what I'm using, as the Stage 1 theme is nice for a target dummy gif generator

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 10:59 PM

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Could you open the .trials file with something like VS code?

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 10:59 PM

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You sure can

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:00 PM

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that's what I'm using

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set it JSON for nice syntax highlighting

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:01 PM

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void flume It's also turned into what I'm using, as the Stage 1 theme is nice for a target ...

Speaking of I haven’t tested to see what happens if we change the environment

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I’d guess it breaks

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 11:01 PM

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So turn the .trials into a .json file for the sake of editing it, then set it back to a .trials file when you're done?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:01 PM

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dense thicket So turn the .trials into a .json file for the sake of editing it, then set it ba...

no, in VsCode at the bottom right you can set a language for syntax highlighting

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without changing the file itself

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 11:02 PM

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Makes sense

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:03 PM

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Do we already know if comments work in it?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:03 PM

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I haven't tried

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:04 PM

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old summit Speaking of I haven’t tested to see what happens if we change the environment

I set the stage to driedLake and it did nothing

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:04 PM

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Odd

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 11:05 PM

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might need to supply it with a file/map name from the trials specific folder?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:05 PM

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granite flax might need to supply it with a file/map name from the trials specific folder?

no I'm talking about this parameter

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I thought it was to pull from a tileset or something, but I think it's just for the music

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:06 PM

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It might be in the rorlvl that it points to the image map

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:06 PM

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Comments don't seem to work, after testing.

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That's a shame

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:06 PM

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old summit It might be in the rorlvl that it points to the image map

most likely yeah

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can confirm changing the stage changes the music

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:06 PM

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Cool cool

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:06 PM

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so huh, that's something

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:07 PM

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void flume Comments don't seem to work, after testing.

aww that's annoying

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but it's JSON so it makes sense they don't work

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:07 PM

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void flume That's a shame

I saw bg used * commenting

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\\

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Discord doesn’t like lines

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:08 PM

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try putting it in `these`

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:10 PM

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void flume Do we already know if comments work in it?

/* comment */

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i had some minor comments in my iterations ig they removed them

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Aha!

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That has indeed worked

dense thicket Nov 23, 2023, 11:11 PM

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I'm guessing you're not supposed to copy/paste the custom trial because it doesn't work when I do that

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:11 PM

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ooh nice

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:11 PM

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dense thicket I'm guessing you're not supposed to copy/paste the custom trial because it doesn...

You also need to give it a location in the trials_layout

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:12 PM

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dense thicket I'm guessing you're not supposed to copy/paste the custom trial because it doesn...

you can either:

replace the commando1 trial with it, but rename "test" at the top to "commando1"
go in the trials_layout file and insert "test" somewhere (make sure to remove a comma to account for the new trial)

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:12 PM

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This is how mine looks

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:13 PM

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what a cool layout system

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:13 PM

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which puts that right up there

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:14 PM

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Is that the limit on size or can you go wider?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:14 PM

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if you try to wider the game crashes I think

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:14 PM

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I'd imagine you can, because you can pan out pretty far

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 PM

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I didn't remove the comma at first and it crashed my game

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 PM

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Maybe it's something for modding support later, though

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 PM

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stuck saffron if you try to wider the game crashes I think

It might need wider on every column?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 PM

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or maybe it needs to be equal everywhere

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wait

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 PM

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Big brain

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:15 PM

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can I put the same trial multiple times

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:16 PM

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Should be safe to

granite flax Nov 23, 2023, 11:16 PM

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oops! all judgement!

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:16 PM

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happiesttroll

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:16 PM

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I could probably make multiple test zones, so I can save myself the hassle of replacing and removing dummies for piercing attacks..

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:18 PM

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you could also just make a target system to spawn a certain amount of dummys

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takes a bit of effort

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:18 PM

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yeah, a target to spawn one, a target to spawn a line...

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or I think @old summit said we can designate rectangles as trigger points

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Ye

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:19 PM

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or just have both multiple dummys and 1 dummy off by himself a bit away

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:20 PM

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or that yes

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less fun though

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:20 PM

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true

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:20 PM

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stuck saffron or I think <@164287148806111232> said we can designate rectangles as trigger poi...

But here's the important question, can we put the trademarked Bizzo's backdrop pots to signify them?

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:20 PM

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gotta overcomplicate everything

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the true programmer way

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:20 PM

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void flume But here's the important question, can we put the trademarked Bizzo's backdrop p...

is that the breakable pot

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I'm not sure

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:21 PM

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void flume But here's the important question, can we put the trademarked Bizzo's backdrop p...

You can remove those ones!

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:21 PM

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what does the pot say when you try to activate it btw

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so I can find its name

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:21 PM

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For Bizz's providence trials, like Bandit Castlevania and the Loader Spider chasing, bizzo used decorative pots to signify triggers

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:22 PM

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oooh I didn't know that

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:22 PM

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@stuck saffron open container

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:25 PM

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I think it's in the rorlvl files 😦

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:26 PM

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old summit You can remove those ones!

wait how do you remove them?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:27 PM

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I thought they meant the the pots that spawned in the test enviro engiclueless

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:27 PM

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Oh no, Elbry already helped me remove those

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:28 PM

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Good good

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:33 PM

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is this shrine used in game? in later loops or something?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:33 PM

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Is that the empower one?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:33 PM

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yeah

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:33 PM

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Interesting, it kinda looks like lynx

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:34 PM

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yeah looks like it's part of the tribe

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there's also this shrine

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is that for cognation or something? (I haven't unlocked it)

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:35 PM

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The cog golem just spawns I believe (I’m not sure as I don’t have it yet either)

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:37 PM

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It does, yeah.

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Normal golem spawning animation after shooting the two buttons

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:37 PM

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this game needs more shrines, hopefully we get some

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:37 PM

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ok so these are just two unused shrines I guess

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:38 PM

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We should be able to spawn them right?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:38 PM

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yeah

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want me to try?

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:39 PM

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Second one might just be a normal chance shrine

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Go for it

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:43 PM

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wow

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the lynx one is like a large health shrine, takes an increasing % of HP, starting at 50%

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it gave me 4 of the same temporary boss items at once

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the second looks and acts like a chance shrine, but it plays the animation and just self-destructs when I activate it

spring storm Nov 23, 2023, 11:46 PM

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no shrine of order :c

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:46 PM

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20 bucks to self-destruct

past stratus Nov 23, 2023, 11:46 PM

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It clearly gave you a chance.

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:46 PM

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spring storm no shrine of order :c

oh wait let me try with different items

old summit Nov 23, 2023, 11:47 PM

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stuck saffron the lynx one is like a large health shrine, takes an increasing % of HP, startin...

So it’s basically a temp boss version of the large blood shrines

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:47 PM

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old summit So it’s basically a temp boss version of the large blood shrines

large blood shrines don't give boss items, right?

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:47 PM

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past stratus It clearly gave you a chance.

It gave me chance to be tricked into spending $20

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and I took that chance

void flume Nov 23, 2023, 11:48 PM

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stuck saffron large blood shrines don't give boss items, right?

They do not, no

stuck saffron Nov 23, 2023, 11:49 PM

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stuck saffron oh wait let me try with different items

doesn't affect my items, no shrine of order