ror-wiki-discussion

[timber slate]

if they have the ability to change it im glad to hear reasoning

[void flume]

This was in fact agreed upon, for the record

[orchid sundial]

they're an admin and it was agreed upon

[timber slate]

by who 💀

[orchid sundial]

people who edit the wiki and dont come in here and complain about the wiki

[timber slate]

other admins or devs?

[orchid sundial]

there are 2 admins and then there are active editors

[timber slate]

wiki is public info, that's the point of a wiki

[orchid sundial]

so is a discord server

why dont you complain about the million other things that are missing from the wiki too while you're at it

[timber slate]

yeah sure, what else is missing

[void flume]

By us the people who write it, the wiki admin themselves, and the community manager who agreed by saying "yeah give it a bit before adding it".

[orchid sundial]

anyway here

[orchid sundial]

oh wait he agreed to it too?

huh

more you know

[timber slate]

but the page still exists, stating it's a character

it just doesn't list stats

that only someone actively looking for information would be able to get

[orchid sundial]

yes it exists because they had to lock it

[timber slate]

it's still a posted page bruh 💀

[orchid sundial]

you have to look for it to find this reason

[orchid sundial]

it needs to exist so people stop adding it over and over

[timber slate]

just spoiler tage the page and make it inaccessable via links on the rest of the pages

[orchid sundial]

it was a pain in the ass

[timber slate]

then it's still public

there's just information about it

not being listed

that's stupid

[orchid sundial]

or maybe just stop complaining about something so minor and move on with your life and just wait for gummy to add it

lol

[timber slate]

gonna be honest i am happy to have a discussion with anyone who's opener isn't screaming that i'm an asshole, troll, get blocked

[orchid sundial]

im just being blunt with you

[timber slate]

but fr if the page is still there it's still listed, just information on a wiki is being unrevealed

[void flume]

You're not exactly being an anchor of civil discussion, yourself.

[timber slate]

'blunt' 'calling me an asshole for asking about something'

i never said i was

well

[orchid sundial]

you arent exactly just asking you're being bitchy about it

[timber slate]

I'm attempting to be but the opener being 'no fuck off' is kinda annoying

regardless

[orchid sundial]

nobody ever said that to you

[timber slate]

the page is still public, the info is just hidden, that's like, really dumb

[orchid sundial]

community manager said wait a bit so we wait a bit

[orchid sundial]

because if the page didnt exist people would keep making it

[timber slate]

can you understand that isn't secret then

[green sequoia]

well I mean
technically that counts

[orchid sundial]

it is secret content

[wintry cloak]

If you know about robomando already, why do you even need the page for him?

[orchid sundial]

exactly

[timber slate]

i wanna know what alt stuff does

tf

ik of the existence but none of the info

[granite flax]

ya ok

[orchid sundial]

if you really want the page that badly just go make another one and bother gummy again

[granite flax]

no robomando allowed

[orchid sundial]

thanks gummy

our hero

[timber slate]

why?

you have a public page, you're not hiding it very well

[granite flax]

because we came to the agreement that FOR NOW we would avoid putting Robomando on the wiki do spoil people who are unaware of its existence

[timber slate]

just have spoiler tags if the info is already there, wikis are for information, spoiler tags are for hiding spoilers, and it's a l r e a d y t h e r e

you're not hiding anything if there's a page about it, ik it's because ppl kept adding that page but that's still public info

i just wanna find ability descriptions

[granite flax]

you can only find that page by searching for Robomando

[orchid sundial]

its already there... and you have to know about robomando to find it

[timber slate]

have the page be like that???

[wintry cloak]

Well, theres a vote in favor, loads against. Just let it go.

[timber slate]

just have the page still list info but also be hidden, as you've done?

[orchid sundial]

dead end page categories

categories in general

[granite flax]

if the page has more content it can called by other things, and show up in other searches

[timber slate]

bruh i can add an exception clause to a list function like anyone else

[orchid sundial]

you dont need a link to somewhere to come across a page

[timber slate]

and you can just have it be unlinkable

[granite flax]

ability descriptions are all in the lang file! i can grab them actually, one second

[timber slate]

if your page is public for a wiki, you should have the info public

imma go update fandom

but please do

and ty

[orchid sundial]

boooo

boooooooooooo

fandom smells

[winged wind]

Rorr fandom?

[timber slate]

yeah fuck fandom fr

[timber slate]

can u send text i dont wanna retype (please)

(and the entire description please)

(we can finish this in dms if that's better)

[granite flax]

yeah ok!

[orchid sundial]

good ending

[granite flax]

kindness always wins :)

[orchid sundial]

kindness and friendship galore

[granite flax]

.......wghat

[orchid sundial]

commando after teaching providence how to be nice and make friends

i feel a song coming on! hit it HAN-D!

[orchid sundial]

unless theres some wrid abnormal gravity thing in the game the only way to explain that is that its around the size of mars

[granite flax]

i believe its not 30% but rather "whatever percent it should have left after taking the appropriate amount of damage"

so 8 CACs should never take a boss below ~13%

[granite flax]

there is pretty explicitly a weird gravity thing yeah

first sentence, second sentence

[orchid sundial]

oh no thats just the sky meadow thing

it says "so far this planet has felt like walking on mars"

so that implies it was like that before reaching sky meadow

[granite flax]

i feel like its a really really big stretch to take that as a size comparison

[orchid sundial]

i mean how else could that be explained

is mando talking about the terrain?

its nothing like mars

[granite flax]

we dont know anything abour ror's mars

we know people live on it and theres a whole society, whos to say terraforming didnt happen?

[orchid sundial]

hes directly talking about the gravity feeling like mars and the only way to explain gravity feeling similar is if it has the same mass

[orchid sundial]

it 100% did at some point but i'm just going off of what we know honestly

if they made it feel just like walking on earth he wouldnt have used mars as an example

mars is still unique

[granite flax]

or mars is his home?

[orchid sundial]

its gravity is unique from all the other terrestrial planets since he specifically used that as an example

[granite flax]

there are countless fictional planets within the ror universe, too

i just dont think theres enough evidence to put that on the wiki

[orchid sundial]

commando has def been to other planets at a point

if he had never been offworld why would they have taken him on a round trip

for extra security to be specific

if they want more security they take someone who knows what theyre doing so taking some guy who has never been on another planet would be stupid of the ues

it is a big stretch but its the only evidence of it we have so i think it should stay there but if you want to remove it i cant stop you

[granite flax]

we should never put things on the wiki based on a "big stretch"

we need concrete information or outright confirmation, a wiki is for factual information and not conjecture

imagine someone comes to the wiki looking for PV details and they come away thinking petrichor v IS mars' size

that might not be true!

[orchid sundial]

thats why i said its roughly mars sized

if the gravity is lower it cant be the same size as earth

i think it could actually be possible to measure the gravity of the planet based on jump height and falling speed

and then get an exact mass based on the in game info

or we could just ask devs idk

[distant hazel]

we.gif

[granite flax]

inclusive we meaning the admins (me) and seventeenuncles

[granite flax]

wouldnt jump height and falling speed be dependant on the weight of the survivor/monster? we cant do that because everything falls at the same speed

[orchid sundial]

thats what was confusing me

[granite flax]

rock golem, chef, lemurian, commando, toxic beast

[orchid sundial]

how much would commando weigh

[granite flax]

we have 0 way of knowing that

[orchid sundial]

he seems like a pretty average dude

[granite flax]

doubly so when u take his armor into account

[orchid sundial]

i would just ping a dev and ask but i dont know if im allowed to do that and i dont wanna bother so lol

[granite flax]

we dont know what his armor is made of, how much it weighs, or if its even a material which is real

the only way we'd be able to get size estimates for PV is measuring them based on the intro cutscene for ror2, i think

because we see the outside of the ship, we see the inside with captain by the window, and we have captain on PV many times

[orchid sundial]

how close would the contact light be to commencement in this shot do you think

[granite flax]

so you might be able to squeeze something outta that

[orchid sundial]

im determined

[granite flax]

no idea without knowing the size of commencement or the contact like

id go for the ror2 intro because it has that link to captain

something we can see the height of

[orchid sundial]

if we assume commando is like average height we could measure exactly how big the contact light is in commandos

because the contact light IS a level we can go into

im gonna assume this is a pretty big ship

because artificial gravity and its probably like a year long mission with that technology?

[granite flax]

that is way too many assumptions in one go

[orchid sundial]

yeah im throwing stuff out there

uhh

measuring the ues safe travels in captains

okay so

where would the room captain is in be

[granite flax]

wait where even is captains room on that

yeah LOL

[orchid sundial]

would that just be the entire front section

ues safe travels is 100% in orbit at that time it seems really close

the planet is right next to it

[granite flax]

i think this is way less useful than i thought itd be lol

[orchid sundial]

it has to be big enough to have an atmosphere so its above mercury size for sure

but we know from that log it feels like walking on mars so its smaller than the earth

this is super confusing lol

i think it would be easier to just ask time to email hopoo game

hello mr hopoo how big petrichor five

[distant hazel]

5 big

[orchid sundial]

thank you hopo game

john hopoo from hopoo games

[distant hazel]

next week is 2 weeks ||let him out||

[orchid sundial]

LET ME OUT LET ME OUT OF HERE LET ME OUT LET ME OUT OF HERE LET ME OUT LET ME OUT OF HERE LET ME OUT LET ME OUT OF HERE

[old summit]

Another problem with the gravity is what if the core is incredibly dense

[orchid sundial]

thats another thing yeah

easiest way would be to just ask or keep talking about it until a dev notices and ends our suffering

or just my suffering i dont know if anyone else cares

[scenic fulcrum]

i dont think the science of this matters much for anyone to have taken this line of thinking seriously dev-wise for actual canon answers

kinda feels like an earlier years game theory episode-

[orchid sundial]

im hyperfocused i must know how big petrichor five

[granite flax]

unfortunately i think we lack the information to be able to puzzle it out

[orchid sundial]

OH DEVELOPERRRRSSSS

[scenic fulcrum]

nothing to compare solidly without continuing to question the scope of a key peice in particular

[old summit]

If you want another bit of confusion in the logs

In magma they say they can see “the roots of a giant tree”

I just realized we can test if enemy damage numbers is correct with health regen disabled in trials

[granite flax]

omg yessssss

this trial idea really blew it wide open for us

[old summit]

I’ve got two trials set up for testing now, I just need to figure out which characters actually want to load into them

One I’ve locked to lvl 1 and one with lvling enabled (easy changes tho)

[spring storm]

cant you just make it work like judgement and have the option of picking any

[old summit]

Ooo maybe, I forgot that pop up happens

[spring storm]

looking at it i think "survivor" : "ANY", will work

[old summit]

Yea that’s what I remembered

The problem is certain characters seem to brick the game if you load them into certain trials

So “any” might brick as well

Eg chef and the cursed child break the boar trial but artificer, huntress and loader are fine

It Might be model size that bricks it actually

[spring storm]

if only it would be possible to spawn an enemy via a shop it would be so simple

[old summit]

Yea natural spawns are our only access to mobs at the moment

[spring storm]

also damn i hate this notation im reading

do we even have the names in code of enemys?

[old summit]

Yea for some of them

[spring storm]

the heck is ShamG

[old summit]

Lynx

But drifter1 has the natural spawn code

[spring storm]

what does the 'G' refer to? its in only some of the names

[scenic fulcrum]

i imagine something akin to "greater"
at least that would be the original thought, there's a few more name suffixes now

[spring storm]

oh yeah it probably is

[scenic fulcrum]

in the case of lemurians there's G, F, R, GS

[spring storm]

greater as in bosses

probably

seemingly

[scenic fulcrum]

Elder, Evolved, Cavalry, Direseeker

though the S in GS probably means "Special"

parents are "ChildG"

[old summit]

Huntress4 and loader1(I think) are the ones I’ve got edited to be the test environments

[scenic fulcrum]

golems are even more interesting

S - Snow
S2 - Sky
B - Swift
T - Trokk
G - Colossus

[old summit]

Bird golem

[civic heart]

G for gonna absolutely annihilate you

[scenic fulcrum]

G seems to universally be for greater enemies- whether a boss or just a heavy unit
and S seems to generally be for variants of an enemy

with lemurians i imagine the R for cavalry means "Rider"

RH for the cavalry on boar, RB for the boar, RL for rider after boar is slain

similar thing for evolved lems with F (flying) and FG (flying grounded?)

[distant hazel]

GolemBird?

[scenic fulcrum]

system makes it really easy to look for exactly what you want if you already know what you're looking for

[past stratus]

Me reading through the chat finally and seeing some "interesting" "discussions".

[stuck saffron]

I'm doing the exact same thing catching up lol

need to finish this skills/data thing

only 6 survivors left

[past stratus]

Need to finish that draft.

[spring storm]

i dont get the test stage

the heck is it testing

[past stratus]

It's probably intentionally empty, so you can add stuff yourself.

I haven't catched up on that specifically, as I have been using the one that Poiyuk showed me originally, which is a bit limited.

[stuck saffron]

It took me sooo long to find this stupid thing's sprite

[distant hazel]

[scenic fulcrum]

crazy that we got a friggin bird in the golem family

someone clearly misheard a saying-

somethin somethin two birds and stone?

[spring storm]

@old summit ?

thought you said he broke

ig its a parameter in it that breaks

fun fun

[civic heart]

Did they change 1.03 the description of key or did it never say "chests in within" (there's 3 images here but discord isn't showing the others clearly for me)

[spring storm]

discord hates images now

[old summit]

I I must’ve messed up on that one

[spring storm]

i wish i knew the boars damage hit box cause god damn i hate it

[past stratus]

I dunno, it seems that a small jump already dodges it.

[spring storm]

can you give me a list of what you want ideally to test? @old summit

want to understand the objective

[stuck saffron]

is this not accurate anymore? I copied from what was already on the wiki and didn't check tbh

there was too much info 💀

[civic heart]

I just changed it and my edit said +828 when I changed like 2 words why

[stuck saffron]

cuz you changed the whole structure somehow

need to undo, you broke it lol

[civic heart]

My bad

Can you edit that then, I'm scared to touch it

[stuck saffron]

yeah I'll correct it no problem

[old summit]

Just dmed you

Also I realize what broke when I tried chef, I still had alternate secondary active which he does not have

Which also would’ve broken the child

[spring storm]

what language is this even

sure is sad that you really just cant spawn in whatever enemy you want

seems like the needed enemys are loaded in when the stage is loaded

i could have made a whole enemy spawner system

[old summit]

Yea there’s the starter enemy load that’s locked into the .rorlvl

[spring storm]

i mean if i just force it to try to spawn 'GolemG' it just crashes like 'GolemG' does not exist

unless i misunderstood the shit crash logs

i can only spawn in whatever enemy is already available on the stage

so boring

[old summit]

Unless you natural spawn using the director

But I haven’t got bosses being natural spawned yet

[graceful sun]

what if you enable the artifact that allows non-stage specific enemies to spawn on the stage

[graceful sun]

game does still do this so it should be possible

[spring storm]

oh you mean its just bosses that crash? @old summit

[old summit]

I don’t think there’s any trials with artifacts so we might be guessing the code for that

[old summit]

Nah I only tested for like 5 mins but I couldn’t get the director to want to spawn a boss

It’s probably possible with enough director difficulty

[spring storm]

oh you mean you just have natural spawns

[old summit]

Ye you can limit what natural spawns you get

And by natural I mean “director” spawned

[past stratus]

Show

[spring storm]

@old summit so you can control the director to spawn enemys it does not normally spawn?

[old summit]

Ye I transferred the spawns from drifter1 into another trial

[spring storm]

did the other trial have a director before?

[old summit]

I put it into enforcer doppleganger so I can’t remember off the top of my head

This one

[past stratus]

Hey, I was reading it.

[spring storm]

oh sorry

[past stratus]

🧹

Back to doing homework, I go.

[spring storm]

huh so it seems i do know how to spawn things

[old summit]

Lordy

[spring storm]

this game sure handles thousands of golems well

[old summit]

[past stratus]

What your code being compiled into machine code does to your game.

[spring storm]

but yeah it seems the game if does not have a director does not load in all guys

so thats what GolemS2 is

[past stratus]

I'm pretty sure that we can get that just by looking at the sprite names, no?

[spring storm]

yes i was just wondering ima go ahead and make a spawner for all mobs

i can kinda see how it might work

[past stratus]

Yeah, the names match.

[old summit]

Items are gonna be fun to figure out because they’ve got different names if they are in shops or given directly

[granite flax]

[spring storm]

how fun

[old summit]

Directly is bitterRoot but then in shops they are Root

WAIT try spawning MacG

[spring storm]

i was wondering who that is

what a cutie

[old summit]

It’s a macrobe that doesn’t spawn naturally but is in the sprite files so Maybe

[spring storm]

seems normal

[old summit]

Was it MacG for the bean?

[past stratus]

You mean this one?

[spring storm]

doesn't he spawn in naturally?

[past stratus]

He does, hence my confusion.

There is a MacT and MacTC in the files, and those look hella confusing, so I guess he meant those.

[spring storm]

anyway, i think the only way to make an 'enemy spawner' would be a bit too dumb for me to implement which is sad

unless i just find a better stage

[old summit]

There’s one that looks like a pill bug that has a jump explode attack

[spring storm]

he just floating

oh he exploads

so 1 works fully the other just floats off to the right

his walk animation is so cute, why he no spawn game :c

he doesn't jump

kinda just exploads if you get near

[old summit]

Does he reform afterwards?

[spring storm]

yeah

[old summit]

Good good

[scenic fulcrum]

goofy lil creature
didnt know they existed in the files since i didnt get around to looking at the macrobe family sprites

[old summit]

So it’s got some ai built in but not gravity

[spring storm]

well theres 2 different ones, one works, the other just goes through his sprites and floats to the right

[old summit]

Amazing

[scenic fulcrum]

wonder what the T stands for with the name

[spring storm]

terror

[scenic fulcrum]

shame there aint anythin for it left over in the lang file, unlike that Han-D drone

[old summit]

macrobic tardigrade!! Is what gummy said when she saw it sooo

That’s what I’m going by

[scenic fulcrum]

that tracks

[spring storm]

thx discord

theres your macT footage

forgot to record audio how sad

he does have an attack sound

[scenic fulcrum]

either file is borked or media player doesnt work
and ive watched many a meme with media player

[spring storm]

works for me i wonder why

maybe change it to a .mkv since that what it was actually but normally it does not matter

[old summit]

Can you send me the direct spawn code just for me to add into some test cases?

[spring storm]

["create","MacT",1575,1600], the x and y cords change depending on stage i am on judgement

[old summit]

Danke danke

[spring storm]

["get", ["get_player"], "y"] might be how you get the y cord of the player but unsure

[old summit]

I wonder what the game considers a horde of many, so we can get a boss health bar for non bosses

[spring storm]

oh yeah hordes of many would be how we get hp bars

["create","MacT", ["get", ["get_player"], "x"], ["get", ["get_player"], "y"]], works

i am smurt

[old summit]

Actually can you check the merc 1v1 to see if it has anything about his health bar?

[spring storm]

["if", ["&&", ["is_object", ["get_arg", 0], "LizardG"], ["==", ["vget", "bossStartingHealth"], 0]],[ ["vset", "bossStartingHealth", 525], ["boss_party_begin"], ["boss_party_set_name", "actor.oLizardG.name", "actor.genericTrialBossDescription.text"], ["boss_party_manual_set_maxhp", 525], ["boss_party_end"] ]], this is something from the commando2 lizard thingy

i wonder which merc that is

[old summit]

Does the commando one have a boss health bar? I can’t remember

[spring storm]

["if", ["is_object", ["get_arg", 0], "MercDoppleganger"], [ ["boss_party_begin"], ["boss_party_set_name", "actor.oMercDoppleganger.name", "actor.oMercDoppleganger.text"], ["boss_party_add_object", "MercDoppleganger"], ["boss_party_set_hp_col", 16, 157, 255], ["boss_party_end"], ["item_give", ["get_arg", 0], "paulsGoatHoof", 2], ["item_give", ["get_arg", 0], "hermitsScarf", 1], ["item_give", ["get_arg", 0], "soldiersSyringe", 2], ["set", ["get_arg", 0], "maxhp_base", 1000], ["set", ["get_arg", 0], "damage_base", 10], ["set", ["get_arg", 0], "knockback_cap_base", 0], ["actor_dirty", ["get_arg", 0]], ["vset", "BossStartingHP", 1000] ]],

i wonder if i can just spawn merc dopple ganger in judgement

[scenic fulcrum]

oh yeah that's where you see the title "Worthy Opponent"

[granite flax]

LETS GOOOOO MACROBIC TARDIGRADE POSTING

DO IT AGAIN!!

[old summit]

And the guy has items which could be interesting

[granite flax]

it should be able to climb ropes, too

[spring storm]

what

no way

too strong

[granite flax]

it has sprites for it, at least

[scenic fulcrum]

yea MacT has climb sprites
cute thing

[spring storm]

scary merc man

mact no climb you lied :c, maybe rope too high

[granite flax]

i did NOT expect tardigrades to be actually spawnable best day ever

[scenic fulcrum]

doesnt have a jump so i assume that's why it couldent get on the rope

[granite flax]

try spawning it on the top of the platform then, see if it will climb down

[scenic fulcrum]

Walk, Idle, Death, Spawn, Climb, Shoot1

[spring storm]

yeah no climb

so sad

almost fully functioning

[granite flax]

super tragic

[spring storm]

merc just follows you on the rope i love it

[granite flax]

when i asked about it i was told one of the reasons it was removed was buggy pathfinding

man i cant believe theyre spawnable

over the moon..

[scenic fulcrum]

modding comes
the fans unite to revive the messiah

[spring storm]

cute boss hp bar

[granite flax]

oh u KNOW it

[spring storm]

oh changing the color of the boss hp bar changes the color of the overhead enemy hp bar

are there any disabled(non functional/moving) enemys in any of the trials?

oh damn the MacT can target you when your below him on the rope

[old summit]

This is so helpful

[spring storm]

i dont know how to make a group have an hp bar

[old summit]

Check if there’s anything for the boars in the hp regen enji trial

Because I think they just idle off the side of the map

[spring storm]

oh yeah

`` ["if", ["is_object", ["get_arg", 0], "BoarM"], [
["set", ["get_arg", 0], "maxhp_base", 1],
["actor_dirty", ["get_arg", 0]],
["set", ["get_arg", 0], "disable_ai", true],

            ]]

``
nice disable_ai flag

[old summit]

Hell yes

[spring storm]

are there any instances where more then 1 enemy shares an hp bar in trials?

[old summit]

I can’t think of any

The worms for the prov fight maybe?

But they have separate health bars at the top so iffy

[spring storm]

ez

dont even need an example

[old summit]

Skillz

[spring storm]

i know how codez

they wont be labotomized though

[old summit]

Check if the prov worms do have funky health bars because that would be fun to mess with

Maybe multiple bosses showing health bars

[spring storm]

oh yeah

forgot they show seperately

they seem to be handled out of script

yeah i dont get how disabling ai work

btw i could theoretically get base hp/regen/armor/speed etc, if i just knew the right names

[old summit]

For the monsters?

[spring storm]

prob for any

[old summit]

Interesting

Actually

Try the Han-d bridge knock off trial

Might get armor for that one

[spring storm]

got damage_base and armor_base

hopefully it sticks with such a simple thing and i dont crash

[old summit]

Speed might be on the boars for one of the other Han-d trials

The one using drones and wire to attack

[spring storm]

no way commando base damage is 12 i could have never guessed

[old summit]

O:

[spring storm]

speed_base is not a var 😢

my beloved

[old summit]

Does it show what they do to slow those boars down?

[spring storm]

"speed" is but i just noticed that boss hp bars doesn't show decimals

[granite flax]

most stat increases in trials (both enemy and player) are handled via items

[spring storm]

for decreasing speed they set some weird global var thingy

does anyone know how i can write to a file or something json is foreign to me

oh wait i dont need to

[granite flax]

sidenote: i love that enemies with items is natively supported by the game, but heartbroken that evolution isnt in...

[old summit]

There could be some Terrifying item combos

I do want to see a golem with a stack of attack speed just to watch him clap

[scenic fulcrum]

reminds me that i should look into making some ror2 artifacts as RoR:Re icons...

did that for 1 recently

[spring storm]

k ima sleep heres my work so far, cant anything to display decimal numbers which is annoying but whatever sleepy time

[old summit]

Big danke for all this

[old summit]

I think everything gets rounded

[spring storm]

yeah and it wont let me put it in any text box so its annoying

prob should just figure out how to error out with a message

[keen mulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/riskofrain/comments/17yyzw1/wiki_update_fandom_is_no_more/ The other Ror wikis that are coming to wiki GG are in the onboarding fase right nw, and if you want to help you can DM the OP of this post for an invite.

[distant hazel]

the comments are great

"where's the wiki?"
"it's not ready yet"
"so you're saying fandom is still more?"

[keen mulch]

Yeah, the post should have clarrified they were still onboarding

[past stratus]

I wanted to DM Gummy about having the original game's wiki moved to Wiki.gg, but I guess that saves me the trouble?

[distant hazel]

oh yeah someone added robomando's ult as a discussion topic for ancient scepter

[old summit]

I spotted that as well

[distant hazel]

I've got robomando on my page but I don't want people to vandalize my page so it doesn't say "Robomando"

[granite flax]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-horse-horse-gt-when-the-gif-24722142

[past stratus]

omg hi uwu

[distant hazel]

I know how to solve your problem gummy

[granite flax]

im arming so many explosive warheads rn

[past stratus]

Gummy, real question: Would you have been in for me having an archival project for the original game?

[distant hazel]

What does that mean

a page with everything different from ror1 would be nice but I don't wanna go find everything different from ror1

[granite flax]

yeah i would have to know what that means before i comment

[past stratus]

The wiki for the original seems to be dead in some aspects or straight wrong. Even tho you can read the game's scripts yourself, somehow nobody seemed to correctly look over them.

I'm interested in archiving the original game's stuff if it was moved to wiki.gg.

For basics, just have the wiki moved then corrected, I guess.

[granite flax]

i mean sure but its very not fit for the returns wiki?

[old summit]

The wiki for one will have a new burst of interest now that’s it’s being moved over

[granite flax]

https://rainstash.com is also an accurate source for all ror1 item info

[past stratus]

It's not, hence why I wanted to DM you with this question, but someone posted the reddit link here so it came up.

[granite flax]

ahhh, gotcha

well, i think its a good idea!

[past stratus]

I have other stuff to do meanwhile too, so I wasn't very hasty about it either.

I got a homework to do for gamedev stuff and I should honestly start putting more hours into it than what I'm doing right now.

[severe trellis]

Hey, do we know if Imp tentacle is blacklisted on Engi turrets?

Or do turrets get their own imp?

[granite flax]

dont believe so

[severe trellis]

does not give them their own imp

Unsure if it counts as a stack for the main imp though, might be somethin' else though since I'm testing on judgement

But when I've placed my turrets, it seems to boost em

[glacial smelt]

anyone know how to get Predatory Instincts

[old summit]

It’s a huntress unlock, I think killing boss wisp without taking damage

[glacial smelt]

dang it

[elder egret]

Just get umbrella and loop for ♾️

[glacial smelt]

YA

any good way to get kill list

[elder egret]

Hit List? What challenge is that one I forgot

[glacial smelt]

the legendeary item

[elder egret]

Is that:
Bandit: Reset your cooldowns 15 times in a row?

Use glass again

[distant hazel]

alright now it's been 2 weeks can we add robomando

I'll ask again at 2pm EST when it's been exactly 2 weeks

we have {{spoiler}} and we can just collapse a whole page if someone accidentally finds the page somehow

then they'd have to click "expand" and at that point it really is their fault

everyone knows he exists or at least knows there's a secret survivor, hiding the page still hides his abilities and his sidequest

gummy isn't online but I know they read everything so they'll read this eventually

the excuse that "we're still missing more important info than robomando" is mostly gone now, not that it was good either

[void tinsel]

is anyone else looking into the .rorlvl format? i'm currently (painfully) trying to reverse engineer it, wondering if anyone else has done the same yet

it's looking like it could be possible to get images of the entire stages

[noble wigeon]

should we note that lighting beacons are considered grappable targets?

on the skill notes?

[old summit]

Gummy patched together full stage pics so that all good there

Using the logs

[old summit]

But as for getting into the rorlvl I haven’t seen anything

[void tinsel]

alright, well i'll find out what i can

[old summit]

We’ve just been messing with the trials page

[void tinsel]

the most ive been able to change is a texture of a tile, which could theoretically go the other way around to reading the textures of a tile, and therefore mapping a stage file into an image

[old summit]

That’s neat, we’ve got spawning, items and characters working

[noble wigeon]

?

[old summit]

We can spawn any monster into the trials

And give it boss health bars

[granite flax]

youre doing great stuff with it thank u so much will really let us break things open

[void flume]

can we spawn target dummies?

[old summit]

Oooo that’s an idea

[void tinsel]

the tutorial has invisible walls lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/309448500436008960/1176769493096206386/image.png?ex=657012fe&is=655d9dfe&hm=0571388f641fbd3f49f1c1a192462c297ee6373ff7b94bd87551799ca5bb958a&=&format=webp&width=607&height=702

[granite flax]

do target dummies hold any value to us?

[bitter finch]

Damage numbers

and how items affect them

[granite flax]

...randomized damage numbers?

enemies have both of those traits too, just summon a sand crab with a boss bar

plus then we can see other effects, like slows or stuns etc.

[void flume]

I wanted to use Target Dummies for gifs displaying abilities, and items

it's just thematic, is all

[granite flax]

oooh, that is a nice use for them

[granite flax]

i was more curious than anything dw XD i'd just missed if they had something special going for them

[void flume]

The gifs on the Terraria wiki are my inspiration, here

[void tinsel]

are target dummies anywhere but the tutorial?

[granite flax]

arti's localized sun trial has one

[void flume]

Localized Sun trial, yeah

[void tinsel]

unless we have some way of manually altering their health it seems like their base health might be too low for demonstations

[bitter finch]

there was a variable for base_health for an entity

or am i wrong?

[void tinsel]

idk that sounds right i haven't looked into it too much

[old summit]

I’ll look in a bit once I’m home

[void tinsel]

yeah actually health shouldnt be an issue nevermind

[old summit]

I wonder what the dummy health bar calls it

[granite flax]

yeah u can just give em more

[bitter finch]

is there a way to change values of item/how items behave?

[old summit]

Don’t believe so

Not from trial access

[void tinsel]

where can i find these?

[old summit]

The wiki should have them

Not all might be uploaded yet?

[void tinsel]

oh alr found them

[old summit]

One of them I looked at was 7kx7k resolution ahah

[placid salmon]

is this scaling correct

does Scythe no longer scale crit chance in RoRR?

same for pred instincts

[void flume]

Was that something they used to do in Classic?

[old summit]

If anyone thinks of trials with unique things in them (eg the dummy or scrap cube) let me know

[void flume]

I do think the only Trial with the dummy is the Localized Sun trial, unfortunately.

[old summit]

Ye it might give us the name tho so that let’s us play with it

[noble wigeon]

i've been trying to see the .rorlvl extension and man, its a completely original extension made with the sole intent of storing level data, theres no equivalent or thing its based in, without seeing the source code its gonna be tough

[void tinsel]

ive been able to break it down into a few parts: header data, tile data, and object data

the header data is weird, right now im working on the tile data

thankfully TEST.rorlvl is a very small file so i can use it as a basic example

[noble wigeon]

I'm pretty sure it can have event data too, you can check the bottom of the tutorial.rorlvl

Anyway gonna sleep, good luck

[old summit]

They definitely contain some amount of data based around spawning monsters but then after that the scripts in the .trials take over

[dense thicket]

Where would I find information on difficulty and how it affects enemies

[granite flax]

not something we have yet, unfortunately. we're still looking into it properly!

[grave rose]

enforcer and mercenary NPCs from their respective trials

chests with drones in them from scavenger hunt

[old summit]

i heard we like target dummys

[old summit]

[stuck saffron]

terraria-like, I like it

[stuck saffron]

oh lol

[stuck saffron]

nice! can you change its health at all though

[old summit]

thats the test right now

thats was the base damage test using hp value

all the health you could ever need

and this uses the "any" survivor so you can pick as you load in

only thing that will need an edit is for alt skills

[stuck saffron]

oooh nice

[old summit]

and the scrap cube is part of the initial load so i cant get access to that atm

golden missile drone is very strong

[stuck saffron]

I have no clue what I'm going to do with CHEF / Ancient Scepter upgraded skills for the tooltips 💀

[bitter finch]

all this modding so that we can look at pretty numbers

[tame current]

I remember seeing a table the other day with all skill stats, anybody got a link to that?

[old summit]

heres the work in progress one

[tame current]

I just need to check every skill cooldown so it's probably fine

I'm guessing it's this right?

[old summit]

i believe so

[tame current]

ah nvm only like 4 characters have it complete

[old summit]

ahhhh yea ae was the mastermind behind it so they probably havent got around to filling more out yet

ima check our other wip one

ye thats about it

golden golem drone is very underwhelming

also drones have a Very large variance to their damage

first minute lvl 1 approx 55-90

its actual damage is 71

[granite flax]

hell yes this is some awesome sleuthing

[placid salmon]

the damage range is completely visual iirc

they will deal that 71 with every hit yeah?

[old summit]

ye it is but that a Very lare variance

71 every hit

[plush stone]

Gold Golem o o

How?

[old summit]

its tag is DroneGolemS so i put it in a chest from scav hunt

if you replace the entire judgement trial with that you get the gold golem

[plush stone]

Oh dang

[tame current]

looks like the wiki cooldowns for equipments are also incomplete as most of them are marked as 45

[old summit]

i think a good chunk of them actually are 45

so its probably right

[stuck saffron]

someone went through and did them all, I'm assuming they're correct

[tame current]

explo key was 45 when it's 90 so idk

[stuck saffron]

ah some mistakes then :/

[tame current]

unfortunately I don't have all equips unlocked and if I did idk how to efficiently test each without hoping to get random equipment barrels to spawn with command

[old summit]

🙂 toss me a list of the ones you thing might be wrong

[tame current]

I have no idea actually... these are the only ones marked with a time different from 45

strange battery is also marked 45

also looking at the og ror wiki isn't it odd that the times are different?

also on the og wiki rotten brain is 45 not 30 but at least that seems like a plausible buff

[stuck saffron]

alright I'll test them

@old summit do we have a list with every item's internal name

lang file maybe?

[old summit]

most of them are lowerUpper

[stuck saffron]

yeah but for instance tougher times is just "Teddy"

[old summit]

if you give it directly as a starter is the lower upper

[stuck saffron]

aaah gotcha

ty

[old summit]

same with starting items

equipment

[stuck saffron]

my beloved

[tame current]

oh are you swapping trial items to test this?

[stuck saffron]

yeah

rotten brain IS 30, nozzle is 22, lantern is 45, snowglobe 45

[old summit]

i know Brooch, Amethyst, Sawmerang, Watch for putting into the shop

[tame current]

nice

[tame current]

thank you so much, if you don't mind lmk when you are done

oh unrelated, has anyone tried loading this?

[old summit]

ye

[spring storm]

it does not seem useful

[old summit]

here it is

[tame current]

neat

[spring storm]

theres a block that insta kills you, and if you go to the left some goat hoofs spawn

about it

[stuck saffron]

well it is a test stage

maybe they were testing some triggers at the end there

but I imagine it changed throughout developement depending on what they needed to test

and this was the last version of it and it made into the files

seems plausible to me at least

[granite flax]

id agree with that probs

[old summit]

watch is 67

saw is 45

brooch is 135

amethyst is 8

fruit is 45

[spring storm]

finally did a mistake messing up my save file

[old summit]

get deleted

[spring storm]

game wont let me display number is so annoying

[old summit]

what number are you trying to set?

[spring storm]

i just want to figure out what movement speed characters are

[old summit]

["boss_party_add_object", "Dummy"],
["set", ["get_arg", 0], "maxhp_base", ["get", ["get_player"], "WHATEVER THE SPEED CHECK IS"]],
]]

at the bottom of the file

[spring storm]

yeah its just a float it seems, but if i multiply it it crashes

[old summit]

itll set its health to the speed

ahhh

[spring storm]

maybe there weird multiplication function only works for ints

i think so

[past stratus]

Yes, in the classic the crit always scaled with more Scythe.

[past stratus]

Me and a friend looked at it, but we are at the same level as you right now. We identified the tiles, and some scripts names(?), but I lack the knowledge to do this and my friend is not interested in RoR stuff, so it's up to whoever actually knows how to do this kind of stuff.

[spring storm]

you can also spawn into any map including normal stages btw @old summit

[old summit]

neat

[stuck saffron]

wait strange battery does dmg lol

[old summit]

wot

[stuck saffron]

I never noticed

[old summit]

it actually does something?

[stuck saffron]

did 5 dmg on the dummy when I used it

so 50% I'm guessing

[old summit]

whac character?

[stuck saffron]

yeah it does a little eletric arc

like an overloading enemy but orange

[stuck saffron]

commando

has a bit of range too

[old summit]

commando is 12 isnt he?

[stuck saffron]

ah maybe

I thought he was 10 for some reason mb

[old summit]

so it would be 40%ish?

[stuck saffron]

41.667 yeah

[old summit]

with rounding that makes sense

[stuck saffron]

ah yeah 4.8 to 5

are the health values we see actual integers or are they floats, rounded up for display?

[old summit]

id have no clue on that one

[past stratus]

I don't know the kind of rounding, but yes, they do round the last time I tested, however, I need a better testing environment, which is kinda impossible due the nature of lacking accurate numbers.

[stuck saffron]

well that's easy to test

[old summit]

also are you using the new test environment? with the dummy

[stuck saffron]

btw this gives me dummy items

no clue why

[past stratus]

No, not yet.

[old summit]

works on my end hmmm

[stuck saffron]

copied the whole thing again and it works now

I must have messed something up while testing equipments

[old summit]

here the new one

[past stratus]

The same thing happened with me. I copypasted the stuff from Poiyuk's sheet and somehow it just ended up crashing my game until I copypasted the exact same text from Discord.

I guess the spaces did impact the thing.

[stuck saffron]

is the dummy accurate for testing?

I'm doing 9 damage per double tap with commando

when I should be doing 7.2 rounded hovewer the game rounds

[old summit]

good point

ill check armor

might have negative? or something

[vestal jasper]

how can i check full images of other variants on wiki

[stuck saffron]

there should be arrows above the image

unfortunately they're dark against a dark background

I need to check how to fix this

oh that reminds me

hey @potent rock, sorry to bother you again
I have 2 questions for you:

• we'd like to have MediaViewer on the wiki, to make checking full stage maps easier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultimediaViewer, anyway you can help?
• is there a way to add custom fonts to the wiki? the only ways have seen involve modifying files located on the wiki's server and afaik we don't have access to that

[potent rock]

We can set up custom fonts as long as they are freely licensed (for commercial use)

[spring storm]

base regen stated by game seems to be wrong so thats cool

i have to go now though so i cant get numbers

[stuck saffron]

The font I'm interested in is from the game files and it's the only one without a license attached to it so that might a be a no-go then 😦

ah it's not from hopoo directly it's from here https://github.com/SolidZORO/zpix-pixel-font

but I don't see a license

[past stratus]

I found a found called Zpix and that is free for non-commerical.

Oh, you found it too.

[stuck saffron]

yeah it's the same font, the file properties have this github linked as a copyright

[past stratus]

Oh

[old summit]

as far as our health bar check works the armor is 0-1

[old summit]

oof

[spring storm]

this wouldn't count as commercial though would it?

[stuck saffron]

yeah so no

[past stratus]

Imagine if wiki would have been paid service.

[stuck saffron]

#ror-wiki-discussion message well

[past stratus]

No-no, the 1k is for Commercial/Business.

[spring storm]

ah

[past stratus]

Oh wait

[past stratus]

Nvm then

Oof

[stuck saffron]

damn that sucks

[past stratus]

Alright, time ot make our own pixel font.

[stuck saffron]

why am I doing so much damage then 🤔

[spring storm]

what damage are you getting? @stuck saffron

[old summit]

im testing if i can use the nameplate as an entry as the healthbar might no want to go below 1

[stuck saffron]

doing 9 damage on the dummy with double tap as commando

which should be lower

[spring storm]

what % is commandos primary?

[old summit]

60

[spring storm]

it sure adds up

your in judgement right? have you gotten rid of the 1.25 damage multiplier

prob useful

[stuck saffron]

fuck

[spring storm]

idk where said multiplier is

[stuck saffron]

I'm dumb

[old summit]

AH

[spring storm]

could always just divide it out

[stuck saffron]

yeah but then we'll have rounding issues

but yeah you identified the problem thank you lol

[spring storm]

ig so

[old summit]

it looks like it might be set in the rorlvl

unless im blind

[stuck saffron]

[spring storm]

time to move

[old summit]

pack up time

[stuck saffron]

so strange battery is probably 30% dmg

[spring storm]

strange battery does something when you activate it?

i ignored it the entire time i had it

[stuck saffron]

yeah! it makes a small electrical arc similar to overloading ennemies

does a tiny bit of dmg

pretty much useless but it should be noted somewhere

[old summit]

transfer complete

[spring storm]

i dont get regen

[stuck saffron]

nice that was quick

[spring storm]

regen says 0.04 but its working like normal

[old summit]

take the whole script section and replace commando1 script section with it

[spring storm]

btw these display decimals so do you know what that means?

[old summit]

OOOOO

[spring storm]

its actually really big, you can setup these to display the dummys hp in decimal number

do you know how to do that or should i

[old summit]

ye make it im working on cleaning the transfer

[stuck saffron]

commando1 is which trial?

colossal feat?

ah yeah it is ty

doing 8 dmg now, so everything is rounded up huh

[spring storm]

ig sniper should deal a decimal damage

[old summit]

do we have a number that "should" be something.1?

but with the shop number we can check

[spring storm]

i can check armor,damage,regen

regen numbers feel a bit wacky

i think hp values may be ints

how weird

wait it makes sense

cuz providance

they just round up

[old summit]

theres also pHmax for the multiplier of speed

[spring storm]

no clue what the vars for scaling would be but we could just lvl guys up

[old summit]

try fireing enough times for the rounding to flow into a full 1

so 5/10 times

[stuck saffron]

doing 40dmg after 5 shots

so HP seems to be an int and any value subtracted from it is rounded up beforehand

[spring storm]

assuming pHmax is speed we get
commando/huntress/enforcer/bandit/engie/pilot/arti/drifter: 2.6
han-d/miner/sniper/acrid/merc/chef:2.8
loader:2.4
roboman:3.6

feels weird

but maybe

[old summit]

i set a big boars to 2 and it was running quitet slow but thats all the testing i did

[spring storm]

pretty easy to test if those are right in multiplayer

since if the differences make sense it probably wont be a coincidance

[old summit]

can you check the armor of the dummy to be sure

[gilded bloom]

this is per frame i think, atleast how it was in ror1

[spring storm]

feels a bit better then

[old summit]

also if you dont set specific item pools for chests they default to the full item pool (maybe unlocked ones)

[gilded bloom]

really weird they didnt change that jank from ror1 😭

[tame current]

Can anyone check the cooldowns for The Back-Up and Super Massive Leech please?

[spring storm]

if it is then the regen numbers are totally wrong so thats neat

[old summit]

faster frames faster healing

[tame current]

The wiki ones could be wrong

[spring storm]

oh wait no the regen numbers are right

roboman is 1.8hp/s

now i actually have to go but when i get back ima prob make a proper stat display and a way to kill enemys to get exp nicely

[gilded bloom]

sorry, am a bit lost, we're talking about survivor regen stats right?

[old summit]

i think ive confused my game a bit, my edits arent going through

actually no

can you try setting the starting equip to leech?

[stuck saffron]

couldn't figure out the right strings for leech and backup

[old summit]

leech kept going back to fruit for me

[stuck saffron]

same

fruit might be the default equipment if you input a wrong name

[old summit]

got it in the shop

"Leech" 🙂

leech is 45

hmmmm

this is a cleaner test enviro with a few item test things in it

[old summit]

im gonna add another page to the sheet for the item direct name vs shop name

it can be transered out at another time if we want

[past stratus]

Yeah, the code for natural regen runs every frame. Interestingly, it seems that knurl and the vial are granting different than written regen?

[stuck saffron]

are the chests in that trial defined in a rorlvl file?

[old summit]

where they spawn yes

whats in them no

[stuck saffron]

yeah I saw the lines for the items within

[old summit]

cool cool

this trial seems very good actually

we can use the small big and barrel for different things

[old summit]

i have made the page and written down all the item names but im out for the night now

[stuck saffron]

alright, cya

[orchid sundial]

why is it in the middle now

[past stratus]

He probably placed it there. We can order the trials as we please.

[orchid sundial]

quick someone shape it like a penis

[noble wigeon]

hows the progress?

[minor summit]

reading the wiki. anyone know where this was confirmed?

[noble wigeon]

i dont think it is. maybe the guy heard something in theorycrafting and remembered as fact

?

im gonna check with theorycrafting guys

[stuck saffron]

@orchid sundial I'm guessing you put this in, was this confirmed lol

[orchid sundial]

oh hey i wrote this

its pretty much implied in the opening cutscene but it can be removed

its the only viable way to explain it because providence did care about earth as confirmed in the ror2 logs so theres no reason he would decide to just destroy a random ship because hes bored

i thinkkkk the devs said something about it though? no idea

[stuck saffron]

I don't know if 'implied' is good enough for the wiki :/

[orchid sundial]

thats fair yeah

remove it if you want

this shot on its own already says a lot about that + in the ror2 logs mithrix did have the heretic go onto the contact light

i think?

yeah this part specifically the last line

[warped matrix]

Is only the first variant image available in the wiki for each stage?

[orchid sundial]

gummy is adding them i think

[stuck saffron]

there are arrows above the images to cycle through all variants

but they're dark on dark and I need to fix them

or well figure out how to

[warped matrix]

Where

[warped matrix]

Dark mode surely doesn't help

[stuck saffron]

lmao nope

[orchid sundial]

i think this is more accurate to official information

at least information i could find quickly

[stuck saffron]

icons should be more visible if you CTRL+F5

[stuck saffron]

thanks!

[void tinsel]

i've almost figured out how tiles are stored, once i do that i'll test out making custom stages and post some documentation of my findings. ill be a little busy today so may take a while

[glacial smelt]

where do i get the The Toxin

[stuck saffron]

final level, storage room, one of the background chests is actually interactable

[glacial smelt]

ok thx

[green sequoia]

whats funny about that is that they killed the pilot
and now we can play as the pilot
what?

Yo people keep asking for the ||robomando|| wiki page so we should just use this image :)

[granite flax]

she killed the captain im pretty sure

[void flume]

we could totally do with a "Huh?" sticker, once ||Robomando|| is common knowledge

[void flume]

Correct, The Captain of the Contact Light =/= The Pilot

They are different people

[green sequoia]

Maybe. Its implied (or stated I honestly forget) that they were rewiring it to start flying the ship on her own after killing the person previously flying it, which would probably be the pilot since they would most likely be the one in the driver seat.

since we play as "Pilot" as opposed to "Captain"
unless it did say captain and I'm just dumb

[granite flax]

i meant it said Captain :p

[green sequoia]

oh oop
I only skimmed it my bad

[granite flax]

haha, no worries

[green sequoia]

still interesting
since that could mean there were several people there
and pilot escaped but the captain did not

[void flume]

Captain stayed on board to continue launching escape pods

[green sequoia]

yeah probably

[void flume]

I mean not really probably, it's almost assured

[stuck saffron]

currently on a quest to find a nice pixelated font under the open font license

[void flume]

This is some great headway! This could be all I need for base Survivor abilities, though if you have any additional modifications you want to try in mind, keep my posted

[stuck saffron]

it should be all you need, you can use any survivor abilities in this test trial he cooked up

although you can't really test or show off HAN-D drones since there's no enemies to kill

and maybe we'll find a way to make it look nicer for the gifs/videos

[void flume]

Aye, that's the part I had in mind, myself

[keen mulch]

who?

[past stratus]

I wonder if this is just a coincidence or golem drones do grant you high tier items like these.

[stuck saffron]

doesn't look too bad tbh

[past stratus]

Looks great, actually.

[stuck saffron]

wait they grant boss items? need to test this

[void flume]

I'd want to do that for every ability, and for every relevant item

[stuck saffron]

wow that's gonna take a while

[granite flax]

kur'skan

[void flume]

This would be my Elite Aspect picture project from Risk 2

But for Returns

[stuck saffron]

you can spawn with any starting item and equipment in the trial

so it's doable

[void flume]

For context, I did all of these

[azure cedar]

Really this talk of "all ror survivors died except commando" is really only commando escaped on the contact light, right?

Theoretically enforcer could still be going doomguy in a cave somewhere and eating Lemurians

[past stratus]

Mfw my proof is just not enough...

[void flume]

Golem Drones do in fact always drop Boss items

what's really worth testing is what Gilded golem drones drop from the scrapper..

[stuck saffron]

lmao I wish it was

[past stratus]

Tl;dr: I will just write whatever info I just came up with onto the wiki, but making sure that they sound out of place, so someone will be like "I ahve to test this."

Now, I just made someone do the job for me.

[stuck saffron]

the fastest way to correct information is posting wrong information

[stuck saffron]

you did this with mods I hope

[void flume]

Oh yeah, of course

[void flume]

I'm wondering with this new as well, is it possible to give the dummy Dios?

Following that, would it even count as a kill at all?

I know it does in 2, but there's a moment of delay before that revive actually happens, while Returns makes it seems like it prevents the lethal blow entirely.

[granite flax]

do not do this???

[stuck saffron]

it's a joke!

[granite flax]

oh okay phew

[distant hazel]

let him out

[stuck saffron]

I will find the right command

although thinking about it, it probably doesn't exist

[lyric belfry]

How cometh the wiki?

[stuck saffron]

and it's in the rorlvl file

[lyric belfry]

You guys do good work

The wiki is a godsend

[stuck saffron]

it should be possible, lemme try

nevermind the game does not like it

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

nvm the game does like it - I just don't have the right item name for dio's

test dummies can and will zap you with extreme prejudice

I'm so dumb I just have to look in the lang file

[stuck saffron]

for the purpose of a trial, killing an enemy that revives with Dio's does not count as a kill (it doesn't trigger a kill event like the one used to count your trial score)

[void flume]

Ah unfortunate, so it probably wouldn't grant a HAN-D drone either.

[stuck saffron]

it doesn't

doesn't trigger on-death items as well

[orchid sundial]

wiki.gg down

[distant hazel]

works on my machine

[void tinsel]

once i fully figure out the .rorlvl format would anyone be interested in a custom stage editor? i might make something if theres enough demand

[granite flax]

i believe they have one that they used internally, i wouldnt be surprised if it got released in some capacity eventually

[orchid sundial]

that would go insane actually

custom stages would be super neat for modding

[green sequoia]

hey devs lets make doomguy enforcer chillin in a cave eating lemurians canon please

[placid salmon]

none of that is canon at all

there's no confirmation that Commando is The Survivor, there's no confirmation that only one single person survived on the CL

[orchid sundial]

i think the whole "this is canon" thing kinda takes away from the player experience aspect of a rougelike story

[green sequoia]

yeah it does

[orchid sundial]

thats why the sequel never had any connection to do with the original survivors

because whoever made it out when you played is who survived

[azure cedar]

Every run is canon so most of them are dead

[green sequoia]

Wait I'm out of the loop how do you open the rorlvl files?

[green sequoia]

except acrid
which is fair. Acrid could probably of survived on his own tbh
even if he didn't escape, he was captured by void reavers anyways

[old summit]

You can spawn a stack of lemurians on the same spot the dummy is to do Han-d drone testing

[void tinsel]

well you can open them ingame by setting a trial to target the file, what i'm working on is a way to edit them and extract data from them

it's a binary format so if you wanted to open it you need a hex editor

[old summit]

Also can someone who’s got the test enviro up check if we can access the cursed child prov skin

[old summit]

There’s just a few more things I want to add to make it better for testing but they aren’t super important. (Like having all the skill settings visible in the code) but let me know if there’s anything else you think of

[old summit]

Turns out there is a tiny setting that changes the icon to use judgements icon

[stuck saffron]

you can also just change the order they're in with the trials_layout file

[old summit]

Oooo neat

[orchid sundial]

i want to put them in a straight line

or just have judgement in the middle

[old summit]

The is_final/is_start was the option I was messing with

[shadow tusk]

I have had golem drones give me boss items many times. Haven't been paying close attention though, so I'm sure if it's every time, or if they are just in the pool of items they can give.

[old summit]

I think the drone tier is what changes the item drop

[stuck saffron]

nah they're talking about a tier 1 golem drone

need to find the thing in rorlvl that makes drone recyclers spawn

[shadow tusk]

I mean, I think higher tier drone do have higher tier items drop, but golems specifically can give boss items. I'm just not sure if they always give them or if it's just a chance.

[old summit]

Ahhhhh

[spring storm]

any new happenings?

[old summit]

Might be able to see something about it in scav hunt

Are there any trials that spawn interactables other than shops? To get the naming convention for those