ror-wiki-discussion

[distant hazel]

you can get lemurian cavalry on stage 1 without looping if you use dissonance

[granite flax]

should work like that for every enemy except for like, ifrit and cremator

[distant hazel]

you can get young vagrant as a proper enemy with dissonance

[ashen shard]

well, first when Bizz put the word "travel" in his pronouns section people later on realised that he was talking about the travel ids for the survivors in the logs and those ids can actually be translated and somehow the ids for pilot and loader combined helped to find out about the missing steps for robomando

[tame current]

i got even more intersting news about the pilot skin

[distant hazel]

what did fragile mean

[granite flax]

where does "HAVEFUN" fit into it, though?

[tame current]

apparently it's not even implemented

it's not that you can't unlock it, the game straight up doesn't seem to have it set up

[distant hazel]

the little fellow dodges whorls

[past stratus]

I would rather have you not say that when you try to achieve that with some hex editing when the files are not even fully understood yet.

[tame current]

nah just plain save editing

[granite flax]

looking at the list, commando, enforcer, engineer, miner, sniper, merc, loader, pilot, arti, and drifter all play into this

[tame current]

I could have fucked something up that's not out of the question btw

[granite flax]

no idea what fragile means, but it would be weird for just one to be unrelated

and i still dont know how "HAVEFUN" fits anywhere into that

[stuck saffron]

maybe the ceramic urn or smth

[stuck saffron]

where does the HAVEFUN come from?

[granite flax]

engi already points to the ceramics, but i suppose

this one

ive not seen this referenced for a bit and i dont know what came of it

[stuck saffron]

I think it's just a message to the people deciphering this maybe?

like "have fun once the game is out and you do this for real"

[granite flax]

ohh i misunderstood, i thought "HAVEFUN" was the key to something

not just an example string for deciphering haha

[distant hazel]

young vagrants are expensive huh

one finally spawned after 3 mins

[past stratus]

You will not be able to get it like that if there is no menu options for it.

[distant hazel]

it had 786 HP but I accidentally leveled up

[past stratus]

The palette and the extra files do exist for the skin.

[wintry cloak]

Is it known how enemies become stronger as time passes? I know in the second game monsters also have a level and each monster has its own stat scaling. In this game, the logs do not mention monster stat increases per level.

[distant hazel]

when I was looking at elite HP the monsters leveled up when I leveled up

idk beyond that

how do I add enemy HP what

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Enemies/Data

[past stratus]

In the original game, monsters didn't have levels. Instead, their health and damage was multiplied based on the current difficulty and a certain coefficient.

[distant hazel]

now it has 789 HP

maybe I misread it the first time

[past stratus]

I would assume that the remake does something similar.

[distant hazel]

789 HP

[void flume]

Speaking of enemies, this feels backwards, right?

Blighted is their name, Phantasm is the subtitle.

[distant hazel]

I'm gonna up the difficulty and see if one spawns faster, maybe that's changing things

[stuck saffron]

I GOT IT

[granite flax]

NICE!!

[past stratus]

[granite flax]

it looks correct to me

[past stratus]

They are reffering to that you will see their name displayed as blighted first, so seeing it being called phantasm is weird.

[granite flax]

i understand that

im saying its fine

phantasm is less cumbersome than blighted elite

[past stratus]

LOOK AT OUR BABY!

[void flume]

I tried tinkering with the enemies page for this, which is why I think it looks weird

[distant hazel]

Rock Golem 300 hp
Snow Golem 300 hp
Shining Golem 290 hp

[smoky juniper]

o mai gad

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax

[granite flax]

how do i do that :)

[granite flax]

howre u getting these? just brute forcing with damage calcs on lvl1 dissonance?

[stuck saffron]

honestly I don't know if you can give individual permissions

[distant hazel]

rerolling with dissonance and using spotter

[void flume]

You should absolutely be able to, I'd imagine

seems like a weird thing to not have for a wiki platform.

[stuck saffron]

wait shining has less HP?

[past stratus]

Build trust and eventually give him admin. It might take a while tho.

[stuck saffron]

I was thinking you have to assign permissions to a group and have users in that group

[void flume]

Ah, maybe that's the case actually

[past stratus]

How are you making sure that the monster's HP is not already modified?

[stuck saffron]

if he's getting 300HP for Rock Golems then it's consistent with the logs

I think we can safely assume nothing has been modified

[distant hazel]

I don't level up and they spawn fast enough that they also shouldn't level up

and the ones with logs match the logs yeah

problem is young vagrant spawns after 3 minutes and 789 is such a weird number idk if that's its real HP

but that was on drizzle so I'm seeing if it spawns any faster on monsoon now

[past stratus]

The original can have modis that are decimal, so strangely looking numbers are common there.

[granite flax]

keep in mind that difficulty may affect scaling speed and amounts

[stuck saffron]

this is so weird tho, why is it 290 lol

[orchid sundial]

weird question but can we not just datamine this stuff

is there a reason it has to be checked in game

[distant hazel]

not yet

[stuck saffron]

scaling happens fairly fast, crabs are already at +38HP after 1:25min in rainstorm

[stuck saffron]

there is no tool to access the game code with they way it's compiled

[granite flax]

i mean u can just compare scaled enemies to other scaled enemies we know the bases of, then figure out the multiplier and reverse it right?

[past stratus]

That's a lot of math stuff.

[granite flax]

cross-check it with a few others to make sure whether its just a simple multiplier or a percentage based one or something

[void flume]

If scaling is held over from Risk 1 (dangerous assumption), enemy scaling happens every minute.

[granite flax]

thats the wiki burden (i think its awesome tbh)

[distant hazel]

I had agreater wisp spawned at 1 minute and 4 seconds or so in monsoon, has 549 HP now

[granite flax]

scaling's faster in monsoon, stick 2 drizzle

i would be doing it rn (i love that stuff) but i am doing mapssss

[orchid sundial]

will we just never be able to datamine stuff then

[granite flax]

if/when mod support is out we can get what we want with spawning methods and variable printing etc.

[orchid sundial]

someone will PROBABLY figure it out at some point but that kinda stinks

[void flume]

We'll likely get access to a lot more information when modding tools are determined, just due to how those will have to work

[past stratus]

Not with that attitude.

[orchid sundial]

for now we have to painstakingly use sniper to get enemy hp values

[granite flax]

and maths! :D

[stuck saffron]

I think i's a fairly simple system tbh

[distant hazel]

a boss greater wisp that I activated at 1 minute at level 1 had 506 HP

[stuck saffron]

I'm noting down some values rn

[distant hazel]

a normal greater wisp that spawned around 1:40 and I was level 4 had 500 HP

[granite flax]

i mean i can probably ask actually

[distant hazel]

drizzle

a young vagrant boss I spawned at 14 seconds has 700 HP

please game spawn another

I'm level 2, one spawned at 1:36, it has 744 hp

[stuck saffron]

from what I'm seeing the minute rule still applies

[granite flax]

i dont think the players level matters, does it?

[stuck saffron]

does player lvl matter for enemy HP? I would think it doesn't

[past stratus]

From what I have observed, it should not really, but I wouldn't call those good observations yet.

[distant hazel]

when I was testing elite HP the enemies health kept going up as soon as I hit lv2

[past stratus]

Are you sure it wasn't just a coincidence?

[distant hazel]

that would have been a lot of them

[stuck saffron]

from my testing enemy HP goes up linearly every minute

[granite flax]

if youre doing the same/a similar thing every run youll level up at pretty much the same time every run

pentuple test!

da policy

[distant hazel]

well now it's not going up

[past stratus]

[orchid sundial]

wait since you were given wiki admin you could just ask them for the values we need right

[distant hazel]

I am rapidly gaining levels with cognation and it's not going up

at 1 minute (and 10 seconds) the sand crab finally went from 300 HP to 351 HP

[stuck saffron]

what difficulty?

[distant hazel]

monsoon

[stuck saffron]

isn't it 357?

[orchid sundial]

so wait it actually scales upwards slowly and it doesn't just make enemies stronger every time the difficulty increases in the top right?

[stuck saffron]

please tell me it's 357

[orchid sundial]

thats sick

that rules

[distant hazel]

hold on lemme double check

[past stratus]

The difficulty scaling meter is just for to give you scares.

Boo!

[distant hazel]

lemme roll sand crabs again

[stuck saffron]

that would mean the coefficient for HP for the different difficulties is just x1 x2 x3

[stuck saffron]

rock golems work too

[granite flax]

enemies that already spawned dont scale btw, just newly spawned ones

[stuck saffron]

yup

[granite flax]

pretty sure, at least

[distant hazel]

that definitely says 351

[granite flax]

and by pretty sure i mean 100%

[stuck saffron]

damnit

[granite flax]

i think enemy scaling is constantly ticking upwards?

independant of the players level, and its a global increase which only applies to newly-spawned enemies

if you leave the first lemurian spawn alive all the way until the end of the stage, it will still have 100 max health

[distant hazel]

rock golem spawned exactly at 1 minute, 351

[stuck saffron]

yeah

[granite flax]

the scaling rate is different between difficulties

[stuck saffron]

it is, it's not linear like I assumed

[grave rose]

is this the game's only multishop with an inconsistent price? (blades in the wind)

[granite flax]

so its probably a good idea to do all rainstorm testing first since its the default difficulty

[distant hazel]

ok level doesn't matter, still 351

[granite flax]

even if level mattered it doesnt apply to already-spawned enemies

only new ones

[distant hazel]

yes

[past stratus]

That would match how the original did it.

[granite flax]

we always gotta confirm, a lot changed between the games

[past stratus]

Yet, they decided to remake Soldier's Syringe in the exact same way.

[granite flax]

i dont think it caps anymore

i had 200 in my run yesterday and it was clearly still increasing

[past stratus]

Weren't you the one who told me that it still does?

[granite flax]

i got enough that it broke my attack

i have never claimed such a thing!

[past stratus]

Time to check notes

[granite flax]

i claimed that access codes and umbrella capped, but those are both wrong

[grave rose]

access codes don't cap but they can't bring an enemy below 30% so it effectively caps at 70%

[granite flax]

yup

[distant hazel]

Does iteminfobox have a label for stacking

[stuck saffron]

not yet no

[distant hazel]

Or alternatively, will stacking be in the description with explanations as to why

[past stratus]

That sounds like a bit of bloating.

[distant hazel]

Idk

Or item stacking can just be on the fabled game mechanics page/category

[grave rose]

uhh @stuck saffron we have a problem

if spelt with a dot the image doesn't work and if spelt without the link doesn't

[stuck saffron]

oh

yeah I need to redo this one to use this instead https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Items/Data

right now I'm formatting the name of the item to fit the naming system we have for the images

which works until you have atypical characters in the name lol

but hold on I can do a quick fix I think

[granite flax]

stacking should definitely not be in the infoboxes

thats main page stuff

[stuck saffron]

maybe just the formula or smth

"linear" "hyperbolic"

[stuck saffron]

fixed

[distant hazel]

I always thought going to an item page or the item list and seeing the stacking limit quickly would be great info to have

How many clovers to stack? Quickly check the page, oh look it’s 65

[granite flax]

stack limit is different to stacking info

[distant hazel]

Oh I never did specify

[granite flax]

thats a simple number or "unlimited"

[distant hazel]

But yeah stacking limits

I definitely don’t mean to explain hyperbolic stacking on every item page that has it lmao

[void flume]

Want to confirm, can we rule out Blighted elites spawning with Leeching and Overloading effects?

I haven't seen any myself.

[distant hazel]

So for Classified Access Codes, stacking limit would say (whatever it is)

Or you say in the description it effectively caps at (whatever it is) because it can’t take an enemy below 30%

[granite flax]

for CAC we would list cap as 3 in the infobox/quick reference, but elaborate further in the description saying it doesnt really cap but you wont get any use from it

and then why

[void flume]

"Effective Limit: 3" sounds concise enough

[granite flax]

dont even need the "effective limit""

if someone wants to know when to stop stacking CAC all they need to know is 3

[void flume]

But if you just put "cap: 3" then I think it's a weird impression, like "why can I only hold 3, what is this wiki not telling me"

Maybe I'm just being nitpicky

[distant hazel]

How does the death ray stack anyway

[granite flax]

cac?

[distant hazel]

Ya

[granite flax]

its 40% base + 20% per stack

i previously thought it was linear but i want to retest that

no matter how many you stack, a CAC will never kill a boss, even if its already on one health remaining

as far as i can tell, CAC will not do any damage once the enemy is at ~30% health (again, need to confirm)

in some cases, if you get the boss to below 30% before CAC activates, the damage number will pop up and say 0

[distant hazel]

Also I forgot ror2’s bandolier had its own formula

[granite flax]

which is where im pulling that from

[distant hazel]

I wonder if anything in this game is weird like that

[granite flax]

thats why thats in the infobox (quick reference) but the elaboration and full info is in the description

for people who want to know what we're "not telling them" its right there to read

for people who just want to know when to stop picking it up, they need not look further than the infobox

[keen mulch]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Challenges asking again, don't think anyone answered, what is supposed to be here?

Aren't the challenges on the achievements page?

Or all challenges achievements?

[stuck saffron]

I've linked the {{ItemLink}} template to https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Items/Data, if an image is wrong or missing please go there and fix it (the file is over 1000 lines long I might have made some mistakes when compiling the data lol)

[granite flax]

this should just redirect to achievements honestly

[stuck saffron]

not all challenges are achievements

but heh

I don't think we need two pages yeah

[grave rose]

the 16th character isn't real though, so that leaves only the judgement skins

[stuck saffron]

prismatic skins are challenges but not achievements also

[keen mulch]

Could add a column to the table with achievement Y or N or something similar

But are there achievements that aren't challenges?

But, I would move the content from achievements to challenges, and redirect achievements to challenges

if there are challenges that aren't achievements

[distant hazel]

What is an achievement vs a challenge

[keen mulch]

Steam achievements

[distant hazel]

Is it a Steam achievement?

[keen mulch]

or trophies

[stuck saffron]

I'm talking about steam

are there achievements on switch lol

[keen mulch]

maybe someday in the futurs

[distant hazel]

Just redirect it to challenges because switch doesn’t have achievements

[keen mulch]

noi

[distant hazel]

[void flume]

The only challenges that aren't achievements are the secret ones

[distant hazel]

The in-game name is challenges

[stuck saffron]

let's not bother with achievements then, just list the challenges

[keen mulch]

Again, would do it the other way tbh

because, challenges is also the term used in the game

[stuck saffron]

maybe change the name of the page

would make more sense

[keen mulch]

I don't know if that works if the new name already exists

[void flume]

I say change page to challenge, and redirect for Achievements

[stuck saffron]

and leave a redirect from achievements to challenges

[void flume]

As a side, reformatted the elites section, thoughts?

[keen mulch]

Challenges page needs to be removed first

Aftezr that change the name with a move and leave behind a redirect

[distant hazel]

Does robomando’s height matter for anything else besides dodging 3 kinds of enemies

Wait, can it dodge the imp overlord’s charging move

Another thing to test

Robomando(enemy) steals your items

[granite flax]

missing punctuation here, and the first line of overloading is missing a final subject

also did you remove the information detailing the amount of health/damage/cdr increase elites get?

[void flume]

That is above the elite types area, unchanged.

[granite flax]

i honestly still prefer phantasms having their own section personally

just for the clear distinction in mechanic

that is just me though, not an objective thing

[stuck saffron]

it's right above

[void flume]

I'd say if there were more like it (I.E. Malachite and Celestine), the distinction would make some more sense to have its own block of text. But I say keeping it attached just with more bullet-points than the rest makes it look visually cleaner

[granite flax]

malachite and celestine are far closer to normal elites than blighted is

considering that they are tier 2 elites, rather than a sort of mega-elite

[stuck saffron]

is this still true?

[granite flax]

no clue, unfortunately... i feel like it probably is no longer true but that is based on 0 evidence so dont put it down or anything

[stuck saffron]

was asking to help make the distinction

[void flume]

It's still a "step up" compared to Tier 1 elites, though they can occupy another section because they share similarly increased stats while being a pair.

I would say Blighted is comparable to a malachite in terms of danger, they just go about it differently

[granite flax]

aye, agreed

[void flume]

Just realized the missing punctuation was referring to the other elites, I was sitting here wondering what punctuation I missed with Blighted

whoops

[tame current]

since this is 99% unused wouldn't it be better to replace the text with like "Unused" or smthn

[void flume]

Honestly maybe it's worth just removing from the main gallery block, for now

[tame current]

yeah that too

btw in case you missed it earlier I concluded that all prismatic shards have been found and since the unlock text for this mentions a prismatic shard it's likely this was supposed to be another secret skin but was scrapped

[granite flax]

almost done magma barracks... i recommence 2mrrw....

[neon wasp]

yall are doing a great job

[noble wigeon]

wait no blight can spawn late game in any run

i only play on drizzle and see them all the time

[past stratus]

[distant hazel]

I'm currently trying to see if the pot can spawn with "new interactables" or "new items"

but I keep dying

dying because of glass, not just because of skill issue

I just got Shining Golems and Stone Golems in the same stage which is funny

[void flume]

I play on rainstorm and have looped up to 15 stages, which makes this hard to swallow. I think we'd need more than just word-of-mouth saying that to confirm it

[distant hazel]

hold on can't someone just go online and see a robomando

[smoky juniper]

yes

[tame current]

I think you can force load stage 5 as stage 1 if you go into the game files and rename the stage folder

[granite flax]

you have to delete or move all stage 1s and then copy and paste your desired destination 12 times, renaming them all to match the old stage 1 names

[tame current]

yeah

are there any robomando unlockables btw?

[granite flax]

nope

even the judgement skin is unobtainable

[tame current]

can that one be save edited in? I tried with the secret pilot skin and it didn't work

apart from robo, the shard skins and the Chef cook acrid skin are there any other secret unlocks?

[distant hazel]

I'm on Switch

[wet creek]

the judgement skins technically count as secret unlocks, as the challenges are hidden. Pilot, Miner, and Commando also have non-judgement trial skins but they aren't secrets

[tame current]

you missed some cause enforcer and han-d have one too, maybe more

[wet creek]

oh true, I don't play them that often so I tend to forget about them

[elder egret]

Sniper has one two

[distant hazel]

pilot can't climb forever

the battery jar does spawn even when "new interactables" is turned off

https://vxtwitter.com/shredclaw/status/1726023592213983566

[meager quest]

i may seem stupid, but does anyone know about this logbook location ?

like i can't find it on wiki page

[stuck saffron]

it seems the log spawns in multiple locations on this stage

I found two logs in one go at some point

[tame current]

Sorry for the phone screenshot but I've been told in #theorycrafting that the trailer for Sots probably isn't canon so idk if this line is correct

Since the artist is the same as the ost cover art and none of that is canon either

[orchid sundial]

its not been deconfirmed as canon

so it stays until they say it isnt

[tame current]

Fair enough

[distant hazel]

hoho

unchecking "new items" actually affects Command

[tough sand]

i'd like to suggest an addition to the wiki

attaching the track a stage has on it onto teh stage

[old summit]

We have a link to the music on them already

[tough sand]

oh

it does not include where the tracks play however

[fleet vector]

suggestion: pilot's ult should have the stock written in description, as the scepter upgrade gives another extra stock to the skill
(and since the alt one doesn't give extra stock on upgrade, this might lead to even confusing situation)

[stuck saffron]

it's in the stage's infobox

[tough sand]

ah

[stuck saffron]

the skill section will probably be redone at some point!

[fleet vector]

got it!

[stuck saffron]

but yeah this info should be there

[fleet vector]

simply adding the engi phrase "holds up to 2(3)" shoud do as a emergency patch I think

[distant hazel]

hold on I can do this

now the formatting is all wack

this isn't final btw this is just a layout idea

since I'm waiting to handle skill images until Elbry's done with their work

[stuck saffron]

I'm thinking about doing a custom thing like I'm doing for the enemy infobox

cause this looks dope as hell tbh

and that way you're not limited by the wiki tables' stuff

[old summit]

The only struggle is if it works on mobile and other resolutions

[stuck saffron]

it's the same size as the character infoboxes on the bg3 wiki and these work fine there

so it should

[void flume]

Did you ever get those CSS permissions, elbry?

[stuck saffron]

lol no and I don't want to bother gummy too much

[spring storm]

is there anyway to disable ui, i want to take simple images of all stage varients and post them on the wiki but i dont really like the ui being there, https://i.imgur.com/kQXtLgW.png

[old summit]

gummy is working on full map images atm

[stuck saffron]

wait how are you zooming out so far

[spring storm]

how is he doing it? is he actually looking at the stage files?

[stuck saffron]

going around taking screenshots with backgrounds and UI disabled and stitching them together I think

[spring storm]

ew

[stuck saffron]

for the UI I think the only option is to go through the game files and delete the UI files there

[stuck saffron]

how did you zoom out like that though?

[old summit]

arent they using the log images?

[spring storm]

i could prob do this in like 30 min fully lol

[stuck saffron]

hoooow

[spring storm]

but ig it would be less quality since they are 1080p

[spring storm]

gamescope, rendering game at 8k

[stuck saffron]

lmao gummy is gonna have breakdown seeing this

[spring storm]

if only the log images where not zoomed so fucken much in i could do this in like 10 min

@stuck saffron maybe i should do it in 30 min just for the funny

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax

[spring storm]

might as well i got time

[old summit]

also can someone send me screenshots of the logs for mace replica, prescriptions and shield generator (i dont have them unlocked)

[spring storm]

this good? https://imgur.com/a/Jq5ZAsU

@old summit

[old summit]

danke

[spring storm]

god ancient valley is too fucken big https://imgur.com/a/FGtJZRB

gonna need a bit of stiching ig, since game crashes at res > 8k

but still 2 images per is better then 2000

got a system to spawn in the correct map varient that just requires a game restart, should be fairly quick then maybe a while of editing since i dont know how editing work

[distant hazel]

like billy mays said, it was that easy

[grizzled pasture]

Any progress on adding images to the drone page?

[stuck saffron]

should probably get on that

we have all the sprites

[distant hazel]

this is cheating

[spring storm]

https://imgur.com/a/WtUNn1m so do you guys think i should keep doing this or just let gummy suffer on his own, the main problem is i dont know how to take a screenshot at a higher res so if you zoom at all it looks bad

[stuck saffron]

probably don't bother until you can discuss it with gummy

[spring storm]

huh, the stages displayed in the logs are not from the stage files, weird

[distant hazel]

this is just so funny

and it makes the fungus stage good

[spring storm]

high res shinanigans? i actually had no clue like half the stage existed before i messed with it

[distant hazel]

yeah I actually have a 4k monitor

I know you get different zooms on switch handheld vs docked

but I didn't know it just never stopped zooming out

[spring storm]

yeah i thought of running game at 8k when i saw someone with a 4k monitor play

[distant hazel]

[spring storm]

so sad game crashes at higher then 8k

[hexed viper]

should learn css...

itll be funny...

[vivid laurel]

I plan on recording and uploading every single Providence trial getting at least a gold score (some of them I went a bit higher) if it'll help the wiki

seems like theres a spot for playthrough videos on each page

[hexed viper]

ya

[old summit]

[grizzled pasture]

So which artifact has the golem boss?

And does anyone have any pictures of the golem boss?

Found it

[spring storm]

cognation

[grizzled pasture]

Does it have a unique name?

[spring storm]

@grizzled pasture as in health bar name? no

huh he seems to have random items weird, he can have medkit it seems

and i thought his mines were annoying

[grizzled pasture]

Have you tried dying to it?

[spring storm]

oh he is still spawning mines ig i just never noticed the medkit

oh its mines like the mine item im dumb

[grizzled pasture]

So has anyone found out if glided friendly constructs are in the game?

[old summit]

they are

[tame current]

Glided friendly constructs?

[grizzled pasture]

Tier 2 golem drones

[old summit]

golden melee drone (the one you buy with health)

[tame current]

Oh those guys

[distant hazel]

OH THAT'S WHERE IT IS

the mystery icon

[grizzled pasture]

So is anyone willing to make a list of all the items the cognation golem can have?

[grizzled pasture]

Here it looks like they have barbed wire

[woeful canopy]

Medkit, mines, ATG as well

Feels like energy cells maybe?

[old summit]

tiny trivia thing CaC is referenced as ps5 internally

[grizzled pasture]

CaC?

[old summit]

access codes

the usb

[snow ferry]

will the wiki have Achievements Strategy and tips like on risk of rain 2 wiki

[distant hazel]

some pages already have strategy

[hexed viper]

have some qualms with strategy/tips section especially ones that are so onedimensional

if i see another slicing winds or eviscerate argument im gonna slice you into meat nuggets

[ashen shard]

any idea what is the name of this unused trial ?
it showed up in the fact 45 funnily enough

[vivid laurel]

is there a name for the "gold crown rank" for providence trials?

like an official one

im assuming its just Gold Rank

[ashen shard]

what about this one ?
this time it is found in fact 11

[vivid laurel]

currently uploading some of these now
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLayxmACU5wMV9DQOSea3GYMXMncvw_E54

probably gonna go in order by class

so for now i've got all of commando's on here

two of em are processing as we speak

[grave rose]

if anyone is up for an experiment: what happens if the crab in juggling priorities dies? it takes 1 damage but it will die from the airstrikes and M2 eventually

though personally I'd just wait for the modding api and test with increased damage

[odd lodge]

do yall think the ror1 style sprites for the new enemies would be good on the wiki?

and also the survivors

[odd lodge]

ive added a bunch of starstorm trivia stuff

[tame current]

what's this?

[past stratus]

[odd lodge]

unused/upcoming

spoiler tag

[stuck saffron]

unused skill icon? there are some for CHEF also

[merry inlet]

Irc han-d has some too

[past stratus]

@stuck saffron, why does this try to get the image name without space?

We do have it with space.

[latent monolith]

hello, im at the portal for the artifact of cognation and i dont really know how to activate it. any ideas?

[wheat shuttle]

hit the two buttons on the right wall !

[plush stone]

The two buttons to the right

Hit them

Also gl with the jacked up golem

[latent monolith]

yea thanks a little late lmaooo (ive died)

[plush stone]

Oof lol

[stuck saffron]

I must have entered the file name wrong? this is the usual image name scheme

[past stratus]

Is it?

Why not just name the images the exact same way as their name and just add some of the exceptions manually?

[stuck saffron]

I would've done it like that but gummy uploaded the images like this

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

this one's different because I uploaded it lol

should be fixed

[past stratus]

I'm coming from a system where we did the image name matched the item/ability name system, so the icons would work on the fly.

Seeing this at first is kinda weird.

[stuck saffron]

yeah that would've been better but heh

I just put the file names in there https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Items/Data

and pull from that

[past stratus]

The question is: Was this brought up to discussion?

[distant hazel]

Discussion of item file names?

[stuck saffron]

heh it's done, no point arguing about it! it still works

[distant hazel]

Examples

[hexed viper]

this one

just casually multiplies slicing winds' damage by 3 because oh of course youre gonna hit 3 targets every time with it

30 soldier syringes
if only there are any other forms of attack speed boosts

plus this is just raw damage, ignoring scalability, procs per cast, eviscerate in 2 being an extra dash and a whole second of invulnerability after casting

i dont like seeing tips like this

[distant hazel]

Well that’s completely ridiculous

I hope no one does that

[past stratus]

Unrelated: Why does the T: look so dumb on the wiki?

[distant hazel]

That’s weird

[stuck saffron]

it only does it when it's bold

must be a quirk of the font?

[tame current]

I was looking at the strings... more unused stuff?

[distant hazel]

Artifact boss must be the golem and cognant spawns from cognation

[past stratus]

Why would you assume unused when you yourself don't know what is there yet?

Those things are even mentioned elsewhere, on top of being in the game itself.

[distant hazel]

cognant name is just knowing that the artifact exists

[tame current]

because, quite frankly, I'm an idiot lol

[spring storm]

well isn't the name unused? i dont ever see that name

[distant hazel]

use a spotter drone

ok solved

[spring storm]

interesting

[tawdry oasis]

im gonna go and put all these survivor palettes in

ig

[old summit]

we have all the skins at the bottom of the page already

[tawdry oasis]

well then

the navbox is inconsistent

[distant hazel]

that'll happen

[tawdry oasis]

commando and drifter have their palettes in the nav

arti has commandos for some reason

and the rest dont

[distant hazel]

wait the infobox?

[tawdry oasis]

yeah infobox

[distant hazel]

yeah that'll happen

experimentation has been done

[tawdry oasis]

so like what's the endgoal

[distant hazel]

other times it just wasn't updated

[tawdry oasis]

for those

[distant hazel]

to have them at the bottom of the page I think

[tawdry oasis]

aha

[distant hazel]

oh hey collapsible tables are there by default

[odd lodge]

ive been meaning to ask for ages

whats the difference between trivia and notes?

not rorr wiki specific

[distant hazel]

trivia is something fun like "the judgement skins are providence's color palette"

notes are something that would be good to know like how fungus stops healing when engi turrets attack

[past stratus]

When you attack in general, not just engi turrets.

[distant hazel]

I don't stand still when attacking so I'd never know that anyway

[stuck saffron]

it stops in combat and attacking puts you in combat 😦

[smoky juniper]

does anyone know where the macrobic predator spawns aside from the final level

I have a feeling I've seen them on temple of the elders and hive cluster

that may have been post loop actually

[elder egret]

It can spawn in the Hive Cluster, Magma Barracks, and (not sure on these two, but likely) Sunken Tombs and Temple of the Elders

[smoky juniper]

I'll wait for confirmation on those last two

I don't think they spawn in sunken tomb

[elder egret]

I feel like I’ve seen them there before, but maybe it was just a trial or post-loop

[keen mulch]

Don't normal macrobes spawn there?

[smoky juniper]

macrobes, but not predators

[elder egret]

Those definitely do spawn there, but I feel like I’ve seen predators there too

[past stratus]

Probably post-loops

I don't remember a single predator there and trust me, I couldn't loop to stage 3 so far, because I'm trying to play Artificer.

[elder egret]

Sounds like a you problem

[smoky juniper]

what's the timer on the imp urn shrine?

20 seconds? 30?

[past stratus]

I have seen some weird multi-shop terminal spawning, but I think this is the weirdest of all so far.

[coarse swallow]

Yeah seen that happen a couple of times, on hive cluster mainly

[orchid sundial]

should we have a page about the high court since they're mentioned in this game

[ornate wolf]

Wrong Chat but there is no page on The Pilot

[orchid sundial]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Pilot

[ornate wolf]

WOW

[past stratus]

Is the timer not in seconds?

[keen mulch]

Created that page in seconds

Anyone know if Gummy has access to the google analytics of the wiki?

[void flume]

We don't really have mention of them beyond Artificers logbook, seems unnecessary to me.

I don't think "mentioned in-game" is a high enough bar for an entire page, we don't really have anything to fill it with

[merry plume]

the lore of both risk of rain 2 and returns is barely enough for a stub

they're some kind of weird high-tech exploration cult trying to find a perfect planet and that's about it

[smoky juniper]

it is. i literally just don’t remember

[past stratus]

Oh

[past stratus]

It says 15 when you start it.

[smoky juniper]

noted!

[past stratus]

Semi-unrelated question: Do you guys need proof of claim stuff?

Since I removed my vids by accident and started rerecording my runs, I want to make sure that anything I include is backed up.

[keen mulch]

I moved the content from achievements page to challenges page and put a redirect from achievements to challenges

[orchid sundial]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Timeline brought this page over from the ror2 wiki

[orchid sundial]

its always existed no idea how you couldnt find it

[grave rose]

idk if we need a timeline page. imo RoR1/R and RoR2 are separate entities lore wise so since ie Mitrix isn't in RoR1 and the exact consequences of his actions aren't seen either he doesn't exists in the scope of that game

[orchid sundial]

its still the same story

i feel like its nice to have

[elder egret]

You haven’t noticed the moon in the background get more and more destroyed after each stage?

[orchid sundial]

yeah thats also a thing

they changed stuff in this game to make it way more apparent that mithrix still exists here

[past stratus]

This is the most non-cited timeline I have ever seen. lol

[orchid sundial]

i mean yeah i did say i just took it from the ror2 wiki lol

[past stratus]

There is so much information that I have never seen before and I really want to know their source.

[orchid sundial]

its not a super important page

[orchid sundial]

its more cited on the ror2 wiki because of items and stuff

and i honestly just could not be arsed to have like 15 links to a whole different wiki (on fandom too)

you can probably find all the sources on the ror2 wiki if you just read there

[main wadi]

What's the cooldown of the use item nanobox in Providence fight in ror1? Wasn't able to find it anywhere.

[past stratus]

What is it called exactly?

I assume it's this.

If I read this correctly then the cooldown in the original should be exactly 4 minutes.

[ornate wolf]

Used the Old Wiki

[past stratus]

Old? Or do you mean the wiki for the original game.

[orchid sundial]

@past stratus added a box here

for the timeline page since it has like no citations at all

[past stratus]

👌

[ornate wolf]

Original Game

Also Fandom

[orchid sundial]

i'll go scoop them up myself later but its just as a warning for now

oh and also so people can use that laterrr

[main wadi]

That's the one, thanks )

[stuck saffron]

the one for returns is on wiki.gg not fandom

[keen solar]

Hey folks the Robomando page doesn't exist on the wiki and I'm trying to find his stats, does anyone know? HP, Regen, Damage, Armor, and the amounts these increase per level?

[elder egret]

ROBOMANDO page doesn’t exist for good reason yet

[distant hazel]

allegedly

[keen mulch]

we're notting adding robomando for now because the game is fresh and the wiki is highly trafficked, and we dont want to spoil people

[distant hazel]

people who don't want to be spoiled won't be on wikis

if you're poking around a wiki for random info you're inviting disaster to begin with

[keen mulch]

I agree with this

Give it a month

[stuck saffron]

also sadly we don't have access to the stat increase per lvl and stuff like that

just what's in the survivor logs for now

for the rest we'll need testing or dev input

[distant hazel]

if we're picking and choosing what spoilers to hide we should have just hidden everything the game hides

or providence having a phase 4 in rorr

[stuck saffron]

no point in arguing again gummy isn't even online lol

[distant hazel]

false

there's no point in arguing because gummy won't change their mind

also related, mediawiki has no way to hide search results which sucks

__NOINDEX__ is only for search engines not internal search

how can I make the "expand" link go to the left without making the collapsible content get scrunched up to the left

[stuck saffron]

with css lol

I'm guessing there's a float: right on this

so you'd need a float: left

[distant hazel]

the closest thing I found was to just make my toggle be custom text

[smoky juniper]

are there any bosses in the game aside from providence who can jump

[distant hazel]

is magma worm jumping

maybe the imp bosses though

and maybe lynx totem

[smoky juniper]

they teleport

and yeah I'm editing the lynx totem page right now

I want to note if it's the only boss aside from provi who can jump

[stuck saffron]

lynx totem can't jump up ledges which is what jump means here

[smoky juniper]

it can jump over its own pillars?

why would it be able to jump otherwise

also, @stuck saffron do you know how to get rid of this little space? clear command doesn't help

[stuck saffron]

not sure, I'd need to see what's causing it

[smoky juniper]

I just finished editing the page, see for yourself

and before you ask, no, the media itself doesn't have an empty space at the bottom

it's cropped to fit perfectly

[distant hazel]

They can still move around though

[smoky juniper]

as in, actually jump ledges?

need to confirm in game

[stuck saffron]

fixed it with a {{clear|left}} instead of the regular one but it's weird that it did this 🤔

[smoky juniper]

odd. but that’s good for future reference

has anyone seen https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Timeline ?

this is just a copy of an existing page from the ror2 fandom wiki

and i think we’ve agreed to not reference ror2 content if possible

@orchid sundial you made the page, right?

[ornate wolf]

It

It came out on the 8th

What the Fuck .

[orchid sundial]

yeah it is

I added a thing at the top because it may be inaccurate

if you wanna remove ror2 stuff that's fine by me

I just think localizing it all go one place was a neat idea

[smoky juniper]

i recall gummy being against ror2 content in this wiki

but i’ll wait for them to confirm before deleting an entire page

[orchid sundial]

yeah let's just ask gummy

@granite flax wakey wakey

[stuck saffron]

lmao

[smoky juniper]

don’t ping her like that…

[orchid sundial]

DING DING DING

WAKE UPPPPP

[distant hazel]

it makes sense for the ror2 wiki to use ror1/rorr lore

does it make sense the other way

[void flume]

I think we have a lot of other chunks of content to worry about before digging into lore pages.

[smoky juniper]

i’m gonna create the gilded wurm + npc acrid pages tomorrow and finish touching up whatever is still messy in the enemy pages

i really want to include gif demonstrations in the wurm pages showing their attacks but since they’re purely particle effects i can’t grab them from the undertale tool

i might have to go in game and record their behavior to the best of my ability

[distant hazel]

see this assumes "wiki editor" is a limited club and not "someone with a computer"

[civic heart]

I want to add the equipment cooldowns to the wiki. I'm not sure how I should format it but right now I'm thinking of something like this. Should I add in things formatted like this or wait until somebody who knows more to come up with a better place to list them?

[topaz steppe]

bandits damage stat seems to be incorrect

i assume we just copied it over from ror1 wiki

but i checked ror1 and rorr and his damage is actually different

what is it? no fucking idea. but its not 12 anymore at level 1

[past stratus]

Early on, they were because someone copied it, but they should be copied from the in-game logs since.

Maybe nobody did Bandit yet?

I'm getting inconsistent results in-game still tho.

[topaz steppe]

the log says 12

didnt know they said the stats in the logs

but it also could just straight up be wrong

bc his shots dont do 150% of 12 at level 1

they did in ror1

[past stratus]

That was one shot. 10 damage with that is supposed to be 150%? That is like 6-7 damage at level one.

[topaz steppe]

theres damage variation

but i saw anywhere from 8-12 with bandit

[past stratus]

That's visual only.

[topaz steppe]

?????????

[past stratus]

The floating text appears varied.

[topaz steppe]

Why would that lie

[past stratus]

Ask the devs

[spring storm]

check other weapons the primary weapons damage % is prob wrong

[stuck saffron]

I think we'll just add a "cooldown" section to the infobox that's displayed only when the info is there

[polar pewter]

How long to spend on each stage?

[topaz steppe]

first i want to test what celestine said but yeah ill check lights out enxt

[past stratus]

Yes, the wiki is the best place to ask that.

[topaz steppe]

wrong channel mate

[polar pewter]

Oops

[past stratus]

I got fooled too.

[topaz steppe]

what the fuck

[past stratus]

Yes, Lights out does 60 damage, which does match up with 12 damage at level 1.

So his primary just has wrong numbers in the description.

[topaz steppe]

lemme check myself

[stuck saffron]

wtf

[spring storm]

primary is prob just 90%

game lied to everyone

[orchid sundial]

this game came out after ror2 so it does make a bit more sense

returns was made with ror2 in mind

putting ror2 lore on the ror1 wiki would be stupid and dumb and make no sense yeah but you need to consider this game came out long after ror2

[past stratus]

Hoopoo Games make a description good for once challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[topaz steppe]

lemme just check ror1 rq

[orchid sundial]

ror1 wiki has no ror2 lore

but it has weird ror2 pages

unfinished

because they moved wikis like halfway through development

[topaz steppe]

wait

ror1 lights out does more damage

at least, it says it does

[stuck saffron]

just forget about ror1 when trying to figure out data for this game imo

[topaz steppe]

i just want to compare

[orchid sundial]

yeah its a whole new thing

1 programmer changes everythang

[civic heart]

Should it replace category, because as far as I can tell equipment items don't have a category?

[past stratus]

I do hope you realise that you made me quit my Artificer run. It was The Run, I was feeling it.

[topaz steppe]

lights out did 47 damage to a magma worm in ror1 at level 1 in ror1

what the actual shit

[past stratus]

(The joke is that I would have probably died on Stage 4 or during Providence.)

[topaz steppe]

maybe worms are weird im checking a different boss

[stuck saffron]

it'll be in the same place probably yeah

[topaz steppe]

huh

[past stratus]

Enjoy your buff

Wait

[topaz steppe]

wait a minute

[past stratus]

I just realised that RoR1 Bandit special says 600% damage.

[topaz steppe]

bandits primary didnt do 18 damage it did like 15

i
okay im shelving ror1 this game is too weird

okay so if bandits doing 10 damage blast only actually does 83% or so.

probably 85, ill test at a few more levels

[past stratus]

We don't know level scales yet tho.

[spring storm]

doesn't the number vary a bit also, so who knows what it actually is

[topaz steppe]

the level scales are also on the logbook

[topaz steppe]

no, the game is lying about that

[past stratus]

My apologies

[spring storm]

oh weird

[past stratus]

I forgor

[spring storm]

what a cool thing for it to lie about

[topaz steppe]

so i can shoot a boss to see the exact number

13 damage at level 2

thats 86%

16 damage at level 3. thats 88%

[spring storm]

what

[topaz steppe]

im checking bandits damage dealt with burst at various levels to see how much damage blast actually does

because it is not 150%

[spring storm]

maybe its 85% and all damage numbers round up?

[stuck saffron]

@civic heart if you're not put off by the formatting of this can you add the cooldowns here? I plan to link the data in there to the infoboxes so it's consistent across the board https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Items/Data

[topaz steppe]

it likely is 85% but im checking to be sure

18 dmg at level 4 which is 85%

so yes its just 85%

thats 65% off of what the game tells you it does

[spring storm]

makes sense when considering whip, i was wondering what the fuck the point of it was when primary is 150%

[stuck saffron]

that's insane

[topaz steppe]

okay bandit page updated

[distant hazel]

that's a boss

[topaz steppe]

yeah and as you can see the damage displays as 11 and hes missing 10 hp

[distant hazel]

oh that's the part we're looking at

[civic heart]

Not at my computer right now but when I am I can start filling those in. I don't have every equipment yet but can fill in what I do have. Can you give me an example for formating like Cooldown = {"45"},

[topaz steppe]

Lights Out does the exact amount of damage it says it should, so Colossus also doesn't have any armour or anything

[topaz steppe]

That was just me proving the random damage is bullshit

[granite flax]

i live...

[distant hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/balrog-cave-story-huzzah-door-shack-gif-18551234

[stuck saffron]

there's an exemple at the top, it's just Cooldown = 45, without any quotes or brackets

thanks for the help

[civic heart]

Got it, thanks

[stuck saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

[stuck saffron]

please keep the description of the skill as written in game, and add a note detailing the updated value

I think that would be better

[granite flax]

no qualms with being bothered! pester me about it please

[topaz steppe]

good idea will do

[distant hazel]

https://vxtwitter.com/shredclaw/status/1726363309463810061

I just remembered to post this

about pilot not climbing forever

[topaz steppe]

wait

i dont know how to do wiki formatting to make that look good

[stuck saffron]

ok I'm bothering u right now then lol

[granite flax]

(i think that one not happening was because i wasnt sure how and then kept getting sidetracked)

sorry lol i can see people sending new messages im just catching up o7

[stuck saffron]

just put it in the notes section below the skills for right now

[topaz steppe]

aight

[granite flax]

(and @spring storm (what a fitting username, haha)) i'll take my method, bg's are suuuuper lossy, theyre zoomed so far out that youre losing like 60% percent of the pixels there, really. mine so far have everything fully intact and ill be adding logs/prisms/points of interest without needing to worry about things like game effects, parralax background, interactable spawns, etc.

[stuck saffron]

yeah I looked a bit and you'd have to add me to a group that has access to this page - or create a user group, give it access, and add me to the group
seems annoying

[spring storm]

cool

[stuck saffron]

I never catched on that you planned on just editing the logs and artifacts into your screenshots lol

feeling dumb rn

[granite flax]

cognation golem's items are set, not random, in my experience

[spring storm]

yeah i noticed i just forgot how mines work

[distant hazel]

a lemurian cavalry boss has 600 HP

actually lemme do that on rainstorm

a temple guard boss on rainstorm had 840 HP

[granite flax]

please do not add plagiarized content onto our wiki...

[distant hazel]

wait it was a horde of many so I think it just spawned 2 bosses

[granite flax]

you guys are lucky i read every message 😁 i will never miss anything

[distant hazel]

archaic wisp
horde of many
1

that had 900 HP

[granite flax]

horde of one

my favorite

[distant hazel]

the temple guard had 840 again but I couldn't tell how many that spawned

[granite flax]

ok ill try and do this now :)

[snow ferry]

i got the sniper sick achiment with dimanite

[granite flax]

lol, nice

[snow ferry]

i thought that was general opps

but the tip is use the adive item on right time

[distant hazel]

macrobic guard has 1975 hp

[orchid sundial]

fair

[distant hazel]

for about 5 I think

what in the god damn hell

[orchid sundial]

generally speaking though is having ror2 stuff allowed

[distant hazel]

1975 doesn't go into 315 no matter what

they can attack downward btw

[stuck saffron]

they can attack in any direction

through walls

[distant hazel]

I'm trying to see if boss scaling is a thing that exists

[granite flax]

any of up/down/left/right its not 360 that would be so evil

[distant hazel]

because I thought it did but idk where I got that idea

[granite flax]

not really, no

alright i changed the archaic wisp to css and it broke the whole page <3

[orchid sundial]

right okay

[stuck saffron]

hmmm?

[orchid sundial]

does that mean mentioning mithrix should be removed from the providence page or is that still allowed

[granite flax]

content from ror2 is allowed to be mentioned when its relevant, but we really shouldnt ever have a link to a ror2-specific thing, for example

[stuck saffron]

wait what the hell happened to the page lol

[granite flax]

mithrix can be mentioned because hes important in understanding providence, but we dont need a mithrix page on the rorr wiki

im fixin it dw XD

[distant hazel]

I need an expensive monster so that the teleporter only summons one, or at least a few non-elites

[granite flax]

im trying to find the option to let people do css and i am not finding it...

[orchid sundial]

you are opening the gates of chaos

they refuse

[stuck saffron]

ah I see

[distant hazel]

but last time I checked elites were just 2.2x monster HP so if that's true we can just divide it out

[granite flax]

we definitely sure this is something wiki.gg supports?

[stuck saffron]

what I'd need is to be able to edit MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js

which are files that apply CSS and JS to the whole wiki

[granite flax]

not possible if boss scaling is real, that would make elites have 2.2x whatever the boss scaling is, too

[stuck saffron]

but they're protected by default for obvious reasons lol

[distant hazel]

the horde of 1 young vagrant has 700 HP

[granite flax]

thats awesome :) im so glad we know YV's health to compare :)

(pretty sures its 700 based on your previous tests haha)

[granite flax]

protected from me, too

[stuck saffron]

that's 233HP per ball, pretty good

[stuck saffron]

ah

[granite flax]

i can ask our wiki.gg buddy, though

[distant hazel]

ok I know there are 2 temple guards here for sure

and there's 840 boss health

[stuck saffron]

yeah cause if even admins can't access these then idk

[granite flax]

@potent rock hey! no issues if not; but could i and/or elbry have access to MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css?|
our wiki names are Opal and Elbry, respectively

[orchid sundial]

im adding little mando quotes to the top of each enemy page if thats okay with everybody

[distant hazel]

I think it would be fun

[granite flax]

i think the color text is a bit silly but i like it otherwise!

reminds me of the recent sans meme

[stuck saffron]

oh god these ones

[orchid sundial]

commando.. i remember you're monsoons.

[granite flax]

LOL

[stuck saffron]

lmao

[distant hazel]

horde of 2 gup has 750 HP

checks out

[granite flax]

so boss scaling: DEBUNKED ?

[distant hazel]

that's what I'll say

I still have to see why those macrobic predators had such a weird HP

[orchid sundial]

we're gonna fix the monsters page to put it in the actual in game order again right

[distant hazel]

and items if that wasn't done yet pls 😩

[orchid sundial]

i can get on it right now but i need to know if it wont destroy some long term plan

[orchid sundial]

oh yeah i can get on that too

[stuck saffron]

huuuh

I'll need to do that yeah

sorry about that

[orchid sundial]

oh yeah its a module i have no idea how to work it lol

[stuck saffron]

exactly yeah my bad

didn't really think about that when making it lol

[orchid sundial]

what should we name this lemurian

Johnathan

[stuck saffron]

"yeah alphabetical order seems good, esay to navigate"

[distant hazel]

he looks like a joe

[orchid sundial]

in game order looked way nicer though

[orchid sundial]

we both though of a j

thats a start

[stuck saffron]

might make it awkward for someone just looking through the wiki though

I don't know if a casual player knows the order of the logs lol

[orchid sundial]

also awkward for someone looking through the in game logs

[stuck saffron]

hmmm

[distant hazel]

if you're comparing the game to the wiki to see what you missed

[orchid sundial]

it would take like 5 seconds to skim through all of them and find the monster you're looking for

[keen mulch]

I didn't decide this

[stuck saffron]

true true

[granite flax]

i pin all blame for the exclusion of robo onto hypixion from here on out (this is a joke)

[distant hazel]

a glowing meteorite is rapidly approaching Hypixion's residence

wait

[granite flax]

items are still in logbook order, thankfully!

[distant hazel]

macrobic predator has a shield

that must be the HP discrepancy

[granite flax]

ohhh true!

[keen mulch]

Okay, I now change my mind, we add robomando

[distant hazel]

I gotta do this with sniper

[granite flax]

thats probably a bug that they never considered, should report that (after verifying through more testing of course)

also is anyone editing item pages rn?

[distant hazel]

I was using pilot to make zooming for the teleporter easy

this one's got 395 HP

[stuck saffron]

trying something on the enemy page, if it bugs out don't panic

[distant hazel]

alright

this thing has 80 shield

1975

boss scaling doesn't exist

I really never beat a game as pilot

so since pilot has no armor I can assume whatever an enemy hits me for at lv1 is its base damage right

or are there shenanigans

[granite flax]

only things you have to keep in mind there are you regenning on the same frame, which is unlikely but possible

thats all i can think of

[distant hazel]

I just got 13 13, 19 15, and some other values I forgot already

for archaic wisp

which is less than the 23 damage that greater wisp is listed as having either way

so it actually has less damage to account for hitting twice, or its attacking move isn't 100%

[ornate wolf]

I DIDN'T KNOW IT RELEASED SO EARLY

[civic heart]

I added all the equipment cooldowns I could without checking various trials, what's left is the following:
Gigantic Amethyst, Prescriptions, Shield Generator, Pillaged Gold and White Undershirt (M) (not even an equipment I'm dumb).
I don't know about Strange Battery and if somebody could double check Unstable Watch that would help.

[distant hazel]

https://vxtwitter.com/shredclaw/status/1726390889633997085

[granite flax]

undershirt has no cooldown because its not an equipment, amethyst is 8 seconds

i can check the others

[civic heart]

Misread Undershirt, I'll add in amethyst

[granite flax]

prescriptions is 45

so is shield gen

and also pillaged gold

[civic heart]

Last things are if strange battery has any, if somebody wants to double check watch, and if I should include the 1-2 second cooldown between placing and tping to marble somehow

[swift plinth]

What exactly do you mean by this. Like, scaling independent of difficulty scaling?

[distant hazel]

like an enemy getting a boost in stats for being a teleporter boss

[swift plinth]

ahhh

[granite flax]

strange battery has one (but activating it does nothing from what i could tell)

memory says its 45s but that needs to be confirmed

[swift plinth]

Anyway, I'm back on my bullshit

And by the looks of it, MAN I hope we can decompile eventually

[distant hazel]

activate anyways for bottled chaos

[granite flax]

YESSSS CHARTS AND VALUES

[distant hazel]

[past stratus]

I just witnessed a lemurian cavalry jump over a 2 grids wide hole. Did anyone else see something similar?

[swift plinth]

Problem: I'm not 100% certain I've got the bullet pierce formula correct.

[distant hazel]

not that I can remember

[swift plinth]

And am also fallible

[orchid sundial]

is this spreadsheet public

[swift plinth]

Not yet, I've just been doing this locally

[distant hazel]

how many enemies can sniper x1 pierce

[granite flax]

being wrong is the first step to being right, or something!

[distant hazel]

cuz I've used it on a horde of sand crabs and didn't kill them all so I decided it stops after a bit

[swift plinth]

I had a LOT of mistakes at first

But was also just ballparking it until I got serious

[granite flax]

i think its less that its a hard cap on an amount, but it loses damage each pierce so it just becomes 0% at some point

[distant hazel]

that also makes sense

[swift plinth]

I believe it's halved with each enemy pierced

[granite flax]

its a multiplicative reduction, right?

oh halved wow

[swift plinth]

I tested it with Pilot's primary, and it was definitely close to 1/2^n

But I can't say with total certainty

because damage numbers are lies except for boss healthbars

[granite flax]

lol, just thought of this; i wonder how CaC interacts with shielded bosses

[swift plinth]

Sniper's also seems to follow the 1/2^n rule

[granite flax]

do u think it just takes away the shield. that would be funny

im so keen to get into some real number testing and crunching once i finish these maps

[distant hazel]

the Artifact of Tempus multiplies the keycard

[granite flax]

yeah it bugs out and lets you open all doors

common post within the bugs channel

[distant hazel]

there are a lot of syringes lying around in the med bay

that's not sanitary

[granite flax]

theyre all sealed up but the survivor is just a scavenger sticking things into their body

hopefully there are no samples

[old summit]

Also one thing I noticed with the (lying numbers) of snipers perfect reload, the bonus damage comes up as a separate number But that part doesn’t seem to have a range of damage

So it might be that the main damage part lies (has a fake range) but the separate bonus damage doesn’t?

[swift plinth]

Same thing applies to burn ticks. I'm not sure which ones are obfuscated and which ones are legit, but some definitely are real.

[old summit]

[swift plinth]

I also do not understand how this game rounds damage values. I've had to do a bunch of testing at 10x damage for low damage abilities to be sure what their values really are.

[old summit]

I had a “conversation” with someone in one of the chats because they kept saying bonus damage was part of the calculations for things and I found every “bonus damage” item or skill comes up as a separate damage number

[swift plinth]

Only exceptions I know of are the Hit List, which increases base damage, The Toxin, which increases damage taken by an enemy, and anything else that either boosts your base damage or enemy damage taken

[granite flax]

can someone grab me a screenshot of the bloated survivor on hive cluster?

[swift plinth]

Also the items that are most useful for Acrid and Artificer, since their DoTs depend on base damage

And nothing else works with them well

[granite flax]

doesnt show up in the map viewer (or i accidentally deleted the file)

[swift plinth]

Does it not have a sprite?

[granite flax]

it does, but i want the positioning of it

[old summit]

Does toxin do that? I know that bandits cloud makes separate damage numbers

[swift plinth]

ahh

[swift plinth]

You know, let me double check. I was testing with acrid, and the numbers could have just been a similar green tint

[old summit]

I’m out at the moment otherwise I’d check as well aha

[swift plinth]

Aaand somehow I don't have toxin (or the bandit prism skin?) unlocked, even though I definitely did

Think steam did something strange

[old summit]

The game knows

It doesn’t want the secrets known

[swift plinth]

It doesn't want my files synchronized with the steam cloud

[granite flax]

in the absence of devtools of any kind, ive never been more happy to have command LOL

[old summit]

Admin of the chaos

[granite flax]

[old summit]

Also even with all the damage number calcs we still have whatever the hell “total damage” means

[civic heart]

I forgot Mace Replica while listing cooldowns I needed, anybody know it's cooldown?

[granite flax]

45 seconds also also i think