ror-wiki-discussion

[stuck saffron]

did we decide what to do lol

[keen mulch]

the what?

[stuck saffron]

lmao there was disagreement about which enemies should get their own pages

and gummy was arguing for monsters with unique behaviour, like sanctuary guard shooting an extra ball

[keen mulch]

Right, that one

[stuck saffron]

or young vagrant shooting less

[stuck saffron]

is there a way to do mass uploads on the wiki

[keen mulch]

Wiki staff add a gadget that adds a button to upload multiple files at the same times

Even and admin can do it irc

https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/UploadMultipleFiles

[old summit]

We decided if an enemy doesn’t have a unique attack then it doesn’t get a page

[keen mulch]

Which enemies are those and what do we do with them?

[old summit]

here you go

[past stratus]

I wonder if it would make sense to just mention the archaic wisp under greater wisp as an alternative variant.

ANYWAY

I need confirmation whatever they increase the teleporter particle spawn radius or not.

I swear I can see them much farther away from it than in 1.0.2.

[old summit]

ye they did

[past stratus]

Did I miss it in the patch notes?

[keen mulch]

There are teleporter particles?

[old summit]

first line aha

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Patch_Notes/1.0.3

[past stratus]

Red orbs linger around the teleported, however, they were hard to notice and was very close to the releported, barely mattered.

[keen mulch]

I added purple imps to red imps, and changed the link on the enemies page to go to black imp page. Did the same for Imp Vanguard and Direseeker

[past stratus]

HOW DID I MISS IT

[keen mulch]

Oh, those, I thought they were just for easthetic

[past stratus]

LOL

Now you know how to spot the teleporter easier. You're welcome. 🤝

[smoky juniper]

young vagrant page is no longer a blank

though I'm curious how we'll extract the info about log-less enemy stats

we shouldn't have to rely solely on dev answers

[stuck saffron]

can we even do anything else without access to the code :/

guess we could test and compare values

but there's some RNG to the damage right?

[past stratus]

We can get educated guesses at best.

[smoky juniper]

there shouldn't be

aside from like, crits and whatnot

[past stratus]

Damage is spread out.

[stuck saffron]

there's definitely a damage range

[past stratus]

Unless the damage text is purely visual.

[past stratus]

Btw, fun fact: The only reason I noticed that there was patch is because Artificer primary felt too smooth and I noticed that now it hits on the way back too.

[keen mulch]

Yeah, for direseeker, I added it to elder lemurian because it seemed like a variant of that, but no way the stats are going to be the same

[past stratus]

Additional note: The chakram seems to be doing a different kind of damage on its way back, using yellow damage text.

[grave rose]

CHEF knifes are the same

they made a single trial easier for no reason I just noticed

tbf ig the artificer platforming one is also indirectly easier now since they fixed the skill

[stuck saffron]

maybe I'll manage to use the shortcut now

update: I can go a lot further but I still suck too much at it to do it

[hexed viper]

nope! this is purely visual

if you look at boss hp the damage is consistent

ror1 is just based like that

[stuck saffron]

wait what

it's not based it sucks we can't test anything accurately lol

[hexed viper]

a little sarcastic lmao sorry

[stuck saffron]

haha no worries

[hexed viper]

yeah it does make things hard. need to test it on a colossus or something with a healthbar

depends on what needs testing though

hmmmm

i could try testing for speed on each survivor, but i dont know a tool that could measure distance in pixels without counting one by one

[stuck saffron]

paint.net ruler lol

I genuinely measure stuff with the rectangle select tool cause it's the fastest way I know

[hexed viper]

aight lmao

[granite flax]

it gives +3 armor, same as ror1

just woke up, in my dream they added like 3 new archaic wisp variants. crazy stuff

[red mortar]

oop yeah you're right +3

[old summit]

they are invading the dreams

[granite flax]

removed robo from the wiki again

[hexed viper]

when are we lifting the spoiler embargo on the lil guy

[stuck saffron]

how many balls did they have

[past stratus]

It's only +3 armor.

[red mortar]

ah nice

is that ror1 or rorr?

[past stratus]

RoR1

Instead of talking, I pulled out the big gun and fact checked.

[red mortar]

sick lmao

(any chance that code is publically available?? now i'm curious what i could find out by looking at it lol)

[past stratus]

There is no easily readable project file available, but you can just use any tool that lets you read older versions of GameMaker games, such as UndertaleModTools.

[red mortar]

ah okay makes sense

lowkey interested in checking some formulas and interactions that i've never been 100% sure on, so maybe i'll look into that

[past stratus]

If I would finally be not lazy and write a ticket to the support for my missing license, I could probably recreate it.

[granite flax]

recreate what :?

[past stratus]

The project of the game.

Since I could make it more organised at the same time, thus figuring out stuff would be easier.

I always wanted to do it so it could be archived for preservation.

On top of the wiki needing so much work, which could be so easily solved with this.

[granite flax]

i... feel like a recreation doesnt solve any of our issues

the issue is that we dont 100% know the numbers as they are in the code

[past stratus]

Well, not for this game specifically, but my bad on talking about RoR1.

[granite flax]

OH ror1, haha

well that one i just dont know if you need to recreate because the code is all visible X]

[past stratus]

Yes, but not in a nicely manner.

Unless UMT has some kind of feature to create a GM project file out of the data.win that you provided.

[stuck saffron]

lmao

[red mortar]

lmao

[granite flax]

finally discovered that was possible XD

should make our lives a little easier

storing here for now #1

and this i suppose

[distant hazel]

Now people who read the changelog will know he exists

RIP them

[granite flax]

they already would have, sadly

the page has been created and delete quite a few times

and FINALLY im getting some good stage rng

2 logs in a row

storing #5

oh. lol

theres a secret gap in the lava XD

i thought u had to come up from below

[stuck saffron]

I think I sent this here already

should have dm'ed you

sent these which I don't know if you have

[granite flax]

nah i need to collect the log itself, too

[stuck saffron]

ah alright

[granite flax]

so screenshots are helpful for the logs i already had (i cant get screenshots of those anymore) but not so much for the ones i dont have

[stuck saffron]

makes sense

[granite flax]

and i had all but 6 so really all of them are helpful :)

[distant hazel]

It was sarcasm

[hexed viper]

also this may seem like a basic question, but is there any protocol i should follow when making a new page? i want to get started on creating the Judgement trial page

[granite flax]

ah, apologies

storing #6

this is insanely lucky rng im loving it

finally

[granite flax]

oh wow, good to know. the upgraded flamethrower drone can spawn on ancient valley

storing #4

amendment to previous assumptions: looks like access codes might still cap at 3, but will only ever take them to 30% of their health and never below

[stuck saffron]

#1

[granite flax]

also good lord. Cleanup + behemoth kills everything

also it can proc wicked ring like a billion times so you can essentially get infinite temp items

very funny

[orchid sundial]

I thought scrap cube was infinitely better

just because of the whole hitting it into like a bajillion enemies thing

[granite flax]

yeah cleanup does the same, i think

except it might be able to proc on the same enemy more than once?

[dire musk]

I DID IT!!!

[wet creek]

gonna sound dumb but what's cleanup? Is that another name for insecticide or one of Han-D's skills?

[wet creek]

Nice!

[granite flax]

it can

[granite flax]

drifter's default secondary!

it throws out a handful of piercing cubes of scrap

which can proc as many times as they want

[wet creek]

ooooh right

that's really dang good

[granite flax]

kind of acts like chefs ror1 cleavers but on steroids

[old summit]

and some special rocks

[stuck saffron]

#2

[wet creek]

also cyclone for huntress can basically infinite proc, and gets crazy with atg...

[granite flax]

with max crit and 1 wicked ring, it completely resets my special's cooldown XD

[past stratus]

Average Wicked Ring enjoyer

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/215227190533554176/1023682493548859512/WickedRing_MyBeloved.gif

[radiant solstice]

Pilot with wicked ring is an absolute menace

Just holding down secondary and auto aiming everything in a 80 degree cone

[distant hazel]

Game mechanics page

Is all attack speed additive

Same for move speed

Is it syringe+mocha or syringe*mocha

Or hoof+whip

[smoky juniper]

it should be additive right

[granite flax]

i think whip is multiplicative

[smoky juniper]

up until a certain point

[granite flax]

but everything else is additive i believe

[distant hazel]

I think whip and blue juice in ror2 were multiplicative too

[granite flax]

only 2 logs left... so close...

just gotta pray for good rng XD

and i really wanna finish soon because if i update my game all my ui will come back

i currently have a 97% block chance or something stupid

thanks hermits scarf

[stuck saffron]

#1

[elder egret]

Does this log just require loads of jump items, or is there a hidden rope somewhere? I’ve tried to get this so many times but I never have enough jumps

[grave rose]

obligatory just play pilot

there's a lot of logs where you just need to gain a lot of height and 90% of the time the answer is pilot

[stuck saffron]

jetpack and feathers or just pilot

loader if you can aim his grapple

[distant hazel]

Loader ez

Pilot can wall climb fungus #1

[smoky juniper]

her!!!!*

[azure cedar]

That's ror2 loader

This one's a guy

[stuck saffron]

I even made the mistake and edited it cause I remembered loader is a guy in this game lol

[smoky juniper]

wait really

darn

[azure cedar]

Yeah a lot of the survivors from risk of rain 2 aren't the same people as the risk of rain ones

Except acrid and maybe artificer, huntress and bandit

And void fiend might be ror1 commando if you squint

[orchid sundial]

ror1 loader is a dude

hot

[void flume]

Bandit is confirmed a different character, huntress is very unlikely

[orchid sundial]

anyway im gonna do a little survivor link template thing so there can be images next to links to survivors

am i allowed to copy it from the ror2 wiki or will i be shunned

i cannot be arsed to figure it all out lmao

[stuck saffron]

you won't be able to I don't think

it's linked to a module probably

but it's on my to-do list

oh it's not

but hold on I can just copy the ItemLink template

lemme cook 5 mins

[orchid sundial]

oh no theres a fuck ton of modules on this

letting you cook so hard

you got this one goat

[stuck saffron]

I've done all the work for centralized item data and item tooltips btw

just need some CSS/JS

[past stratus]

Void Fiend was already confirmed to be not the same character as RoR1 Commando.

[azure cedar]

Ah ok he's just some other commando then

[past stratus]

I think it was also confirmed that all characters, except Acrid, are different, but I would need to cite this first.

[azure cedar]

I guess we know what happens to RoR3 Commando

[azure cedar]

I guess they're just both from space texas

[orchid sundial]

probably both affiliated

just in some space gang or whatever

clearly ror2 bandit can talk about it with other people as proven by his log

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:SurvivorLink should be good to go

lmk if there are issues

[past stratus]

When it comes to RoRR, I think we can safely assume that Artificer is the same as RoR2:

• Her RoR1 death animation doesn't seem to be actual death, but rather being trapped in crystal/ice in the last possible moment.
• In RoR2, you free her from ice/crystal in the lunar shop. The achievement says "Free the survivor suspended in time."

[orchid sundial]

commando is red

pls fix

[past stratus]

My theory is that in the canon story Artificer was at the edge of death and decided to suspend herself during the events of Contact Light. How he ended up in the Lunar shop is up to anyone else to think about.

I forgot what the newt's lore was.

[orchid sundial]

@stuck saffron

some dont work right

and commando is looking a little red today

[past stratus]

I think those images are just waiting to be renamed, so they template can pick them up.

[orchid sundial]

i like the use of the pixel ones that are used during a run instead of the high detail ones

[stuck saffron]

noooo I thought I found some pictures that had consistent naming

damnit

[orchid sundial]

HAN-DPortrait0.png

some are weird like that

[stuck saffron]

guess I'll redirect them to something more sensible

[orchid sundial]

i'll save the navbox for now

it'll look weird to the singular guy browsing the wiki as we speak

but it'll get fixed

[stuck saffron]

yup

[orchid sundial]

also why is commando the red flavor

[past stratus]

I would recommend using numeric values, where 0 is the default skin.

The rest is however order they appear in-game.

Should make things clean and easy.

[stuck saffron]

cause CommandoP.png is this for some obscure reason

[stuck saffron]

Wish this had been done from the start

I don't know if I can rename a picture and change every instance where it's used at the same time

[past stratus]

I would say that you could just include all variations, but... I would rather not try to create something like that.

[stuck saffron]

I think I'll just upload duplicates, fuck it

(sorry gummy if you see this)

[stuck saffron]

In the template? hahahaha no.

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

there's only 3 to duplicate it's all good

[past stratus]

My apologies of the off-topic, but I quickly checked this and turns out that it's actually 13. Today I also learned that this was not a bug, but an intentional cap.

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:SurvivorLink all fixed

[smoky juniper]

nice. thanks for the confirmation

[granite flax]

it might get very confusing if u keep posting ror1 item info in here ^^;

[past stratus]

Yes, sorry.

[granite flax]

no worries haha

[past stratus]

There are no channels for the original game.

[orchid sundial]

good to go ty

it looks so pretty now

[grave rose]

ok so in terms of trials, if someone could get footage of
everything there is to see in meteor shower
getting every item/money container in main systems offline
getting to the top of caustic climb
like wave 15 of from all angles or however long it takes to identify the pattern
and a full map/getting all items in ruins of the future
that would be appreciated since those 5 are the ones I don't think I'll be able to do myself gameplay wise

[granite flax]

my game froze

i really really hope i dont lose those logs i got

[stuck saffron]

last night my game just closed on me without warning 😦

[granite flax]

noooooo

[elder egret]

[wide adder]

how do I get it?

[stuck saffron]

get what? pilot?

[granite flax]

collect 15 monster logs

oh wait u mean the skin

currently unobtainable, or otherwise unknown

[stuck saffron]

updated the enemies page

lemme know if anything is wrong

[placid salmon]

Clicking the gif of the enemy takes you to the gif page instead of the enemy page and all the gif pages are empty from what I can tell

[grave rose]

it works fine for me

[granite flax]

who did them alphabetically oh nooo

[stuck saffron]

woops

[granite flax]

lol its all good

[stuck saffron]

hmmm, it's better for the average wiki user?

[granite flax]

if nobody's editing the page rn i can fix it

[granite flax]

it's more for consistency's sake, every other page is logbook order

[stuck saffron]

it's all in a module ><

[granite flax]

also the imp page is called "Black Imp" despite the enemy being called Portal Imp

[grave rose]

it got renamed to portal imp in returns so it's still a fresh name ig

[granite flax]

its inconsistent in the game....

*dies*

makes wiki-ing so difficult

[grave rose]

just go with black imp that's what it was in the original

[granite flax]

we can leave it as black imp unless they make it consistent in-game, just for convenience's sake

dont ever base things off of ror1 lol

[stuck saffron]

well in this case it's black imp in the log so

should be fine like this

[grave rose]

if rorr doesn't have an answer for its own problem there's only one place to look

[granite flax]

again, do not look to ror1 for those answers

for the purpose of the wiki, ror1 does not exist

thats how mistakes and confusion are made

young vagrant is still missing from the enemies list

[stuck saffron]

wait how did it slip by

😡

[granite flax]

other misc things:

• we should have a section on the lynx tribe page for each member
• boarlit page erroneously states that they cannot jump
• boarlit page is missing armored boarlit section
• it looks like all the enemy infoboxes are missing the fly/climb/jump/fall boxes?

is anyone editing enemy pages right now? theres a few tidbits of info which are just wrong and i want to fix them..

[stuck saffron]

he's back!

[granite flax]

whatever happened to the lovely little mobility quickstats on the infoboxes?

oh theyre all still in the template but none of them are used

blarghhh i do that stuff after i finish these maps

just 2 more logs..............

[smoky juniper]

yes. hi. just let me know what's wrong and I'll fix it

[granite flax]

awesome! very glad i checked haha

[smoky juniper]

are there individual, separate sprites for each of the lynx tribals?

[granite flax]

if you mean logbook icons, no, but we shouldnt need any

what are you after?

[smoky juniper]

the in-game sprites

so I can list all three of them in the lynx tribe page

[granite flax]

i can grab em in a bit!

[smoky juniper]

unless you want each to have their own page

we don't know their names, do we?

[granite flax]

we do!

[stuck saffron]

I can send you the sprites, 2min

[granite flax]

scout, archer, and hunter

scout is the flat one
archer is the one with the bow
hunter is the one with the spear

[smoky juniper]

also, can I have confirmation that they can spawn naturally on damp caverns?

[granite flax]

yeah ive never seen that happen

[smoky juniper]

aww theyre cute :3

wondering if I could somehow extract the walking animation for them

[stuck saffron]

never realized the scout had claws

[stuck saffron]

oh you should've told me you wanted that

[smoky juniper]

I have the export_sprites folder open right now, what names do they go by?

[granite flax]

sSham

[smoky juniper]

is it too much of a hassle? we can do that later

[stuck saffron]

I have the sprites, just need to compile them in a gif

[smoky juniper]

if you can, then yes pls!

[smoky juniper]

beautiful :D thank you

[stuck saffron]

the little leaves on the archer are sooo cute

[smoky juniper]

love its little scamper

how do I align media/files to the far right of a page?

[stuck saffron]

[[File:example.jpg|right]]

I think

[smoky juniper]

let me try

I want them to be smaller and align with the text paragraphs rather than infobox

and also have a title beneath each one with its name

[past stratus]

I have been trying to note stuff down while recording my runs for the proof, however, I made the mistake and got lost. I also forgot about the recordings and deleted them because I wanted to make space for the... recordings.

Anyway

Monsters

Colossus

• Elite specific changes:
• Blazing summons blazing wisps.
• Overloading summons non-elite jellyfishes (even with Artifact of Honor on)
• Frenzied summons frenzied rock golems.
• Leeching ... ??? Test
• Volatile summons volatile rock golems.

Wandering Vagrant

• Elite specific changes:
• Blazing... ??? Test
• Overloading's orbs will electrocute you if you are near to the detonation. (Test: Zap range seems to be higher than the damage range, but did not check this properly in the middle of getting swarmed.)
• Frenzied's orbs are always orange. (Test: Did not see functionality change.)
• Leeching... ??? (TEST)
• Volatile... ??? (TEST)

Ancient Wisp

• Elite specific changes:
• Blazing's sparks leave behind a fire trail. They do not spawn blazing wisps upon death.
• Overloading... ??? (TEST)
• Frenzied... ??? (TEST)
• Leeching... ??? (TEST)
• Volatile's attacks have no gaps between sparks. (Test: They seemed to be slightly faster?) (Test: Do they spawn volatile elite wisps? Why did I even note that blazing does not do it but not that volatile does it?)

Cremator

• Elite specific changes:
  • Blazing
• Overloading cremators have no zapping property (Test: This needs a sanity check.), but the rocks they throw at you will zap you. The projectiles have no indication of being overloaded and there seems to be some delay? (TEST)
• TEST

Items

Drone Repair Kit

• The drone granted by the item can be scrapped in exchange for nothing.
  ##Imp Overlord's Tentacles
• The summoned imp is affected by time stop.

Interactibles

Drone Scrapper

• TEST: The order of scrapping. It seems to be based on acquisition order, but needs to be checked.

Random Stuff

• Test: The rounding on the HUD. (saw 118.8 HP shown as 119, but is it always rounding up?)

[smoky juniper]

wall of text jumpscare

[past stratus]

You have no idea how many notes I have lost.

Can I get it pinned for ease of access to edit it as I keep playing and praying?

[orchid sundial]

its called TODO i think it was on their to do list but they never got around to it

maybe a pilot prism skin?

[stuck saffron]

lmao read further down

[granite flax]

• black imp page refers to the imp as a "red imp" in the purple imp section
• the clay man page says they can go through walls?
• elder lemurian page calls its attack "damage over time" which is confusing, because its not actually a DoT effect
• lynx tribe page says they can spawn naturally (i dont know if this is true)
• lemurian cavalry page compares the mount to a toxic beast instead of a boarlit
• lemurian cavalry page incorrectly refers to the lemurian lancer as just lemurian
• mechanical spider page says they can climb
• macrobic predator page does not mention that it can attack downwards, or that its attacks can pass through solid terrain
• parent page says they cant fall off ledges, but im pretty sure they can
• spitter page says theyre humanoid??? what is up with all the whack physical descriptions?
• swift page says they attack diagonally, but thats not always true
• temple guard page doesn't list its self-buffing armor attack
• temple guard (and like every page, really) has a lot of bizarre subjective "tips" thrown in
• specifically on temple guards, it says their area denial is "unparalleled". what?
• tuber page says they only jump out when the player is nearby
• it also says they re-bury themselves when you're "far enough away"
• boarlit page says they spawn naturally in boar beach, which is misleading
• sanctuary guard page does not list its self-buffing armor attack
• tiny imp page doesn't list the time limit of the shrine, but it probably should
• colossus page doesn't mention that the clap can damage the survivor (im pretty sure it can, at least)
• the cremator lists proper real info in the trivia section, and lacks all other page text
• the ifrit page calls its anatomy "striking"????? what does this mean??
• ifrit's page doesn't mention the fire waves it can spawn
• the imp overlord page incorrectly refers to the imp overlord as a red imp in the imp vanguard section
• the lynx totem page does not mention that the jump/stomp attack can damage the player (again, i at least think it can)
• the magma worm page lists that the volatile magma worm is new to rorr, when it is actually from the first ror1 mod, special delivery
• toxic beast page says it only summons boarlits when it is initially spawned
• wandering vagrant page uses the wrong idle animation
• acrid links to the survivor acrid page, which should have an NPC section or a different page
• gilded wurms links to providence instead of their own page

[orchid sundial]

jesus christ

[granite flax]

wall of text jumpscare: 2

[stuck saffron]

oh god

[smoky juniper]

delicious

time to get busy

[granite flax]

the enemy pages are kind of um

[past stratus]

[granite flax]

[smoky juniper]

tbf when I rewrote a lot of the pages I left some details in from previous edits to not be complete erasure of work

[sinful tiger]

why is robomando not on the wiki?

[granite flax]

pinned message :)

[orchid sundial]

because hes a secret

[sinful tiger]

ohhh ty

[orchid sundial]

game just came out

[stuck saffron]

by the way, I feel like I should say it here:
I have made a page with all the technical info about enemies (images, stats, what type of enemy, etc.)
https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Enemies/Data

and I am using this data to build the 'Enemies' page with a different module
https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Enemies

the goal was to centralize this technical stuff and maybe use it later for tooltips, infoboxes and things like that - I have done the same for items but I haven't updated the 'Items' page yet

[orchid sundial]

oh btw btw gummy while you're here

can you add the navbox to the bottom of every page i think admins can do that right

[smoky juniper]

I was just about to ask for the sprite file name for the archaic wisp

this is huge. thanks

[granite flax]

oh amazing! we can just add all the mobility info to this right? i assume it pulls from the infoboxes?

[stuck saffron]

So just warn me if this approach doesn't sit well with you and I'll remove it

[granite flax]

uhhh dunno, ill check!

[stuck saffron]

oh good y'all like it

[orchid sundial]

oh also elbry

enemy menu gif things where are they

OH

YOU ADDED THEM OKAY

mb

yeah this looks really nice

[smoky juniper]

also, how do archaic wisps differ from greater wisps? you mentioned they had a diff attack?

[stuck saffron]

I manually created the data from what is in the wiki, and since you seem to like this approach I'll update the infobox template to pull from this data as well

[smoky juniper]

in my runs I didn't really notice any diff

[orchid sundial]

2 balls instead of 1

[stuck saffron]

So yes, you can add the mobility data there

[smoky juniper]

balls?

[orchid sundial]

2 different instances of damage

[smoky juniper]

oh

noted

[stuck saffron]

I'll make documentation pages so it's easier

[orchid sundial]

44 + 44 instead of 88

i think

its a very minor difference but its notable enough to warrant its own page

[granite flax]

remember, its all in the balls

[orchid sundial]

i love balls

[stuck saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1017812714325803068.webp?size=48&name=HUH&quality=lossless

[orchid sundial]

can anyone rip the texture for the menu buttons

and also maybe the font too

i wanna make a little text thing for each enemy so that can be below the thingy instead of the text link

that would be cool i think

[granite flax]

that is a 1x scale screenshot is it not?

u can just rip it from that

[orchid sundial]

oh right i can do that

i keep forgetting the backgrounds arent complex lol

[stuck saffron]

with the names having different lengths it'll be tough I think

[stuck saffron]

meant to respond to this

[past stratus]

The fonts should be available in the included files.

[orchid sundial]

wait actually how about one of these

[granite flax]

anyways im huntin for logs again! if u need anything ping me :)

[wide eagle]

Do wanna mention, the backup drones fire piercing shots that can hit groups of enemies at once much like the arms race shotgun drone. Could be something worth adding to the drone wiki page

[stuck saffron]

cause like what happens on mobile when the screen is smaller and a name takes 2 lines

your texture can't account for that

[orchid sundial]

hm

i mean it would just be another image below the thing right

can we even do that

[stuck saffron]

ah alright

I'm dumb

go ahead

[granite flax]

make sure nobody else is editing the page when u do

only missing variant 5 of ancient valley and variant 2 of magma barracks... so close...

[past stratus]

<game golder>\data\font

[orchid sundial]

i guess another way to go about it would be to put the name in the gifs around there or something

then we dont need the text below it at all

[smoky juniper]

do you need the actual log locations or the maps themselves

[orchid sundial]

but then again all the gifs are already made and it would be a huge pain in the ass for you lot

[stuck saffron]

huh didn't know that

[wide eagle]

Yea I tested it a bit

[stuck saffron]

it would mask their beautiful sprites 😭

[smoky juniper]

I have variant 5 of ancient valley

[granite flax]

maps themselves, for assembling the big ones

[smoky juniper]

what do you need? screenshots of the map?

[granite flax]

yep, a full-size assembly of the entire map

[smoky juniper]

hmm. complicated

[granite flax]

ive done it for 18 so far, im just pausing because i delete all my ui files to get clean screenshots

which makes actually playing very hard

so i want to get the rest of the logs before doing it again

the patch restored the ui.... lol

[smoky juniper]

lol

uhh, not sure how I can send you the image files while being 100% accurate

[granite flax]

how so?

[smoky juniper]

I can send you screen snips so the UI doesn't get in the way

[granite flax]

yeah that works! as long as i get the full map

[smoky juniper]

like this for example

[granite flax]

i had to trim out the ui originally, but it was a lot more time-consuming which is why i deleted it all

[smoky juniper]

bad aligment :c

[granite flax]

ohhh you have backgrounds too, right

dw about it hahah

i just gotta grind out the logs

theyre going to be so good on the wiki

[smoky juniper]

so you'll do it yourself?

oh because you need them backgroundless

because the background has parallax

[granite flax]

yeah

[placid salmon]

You're gonna have to turn off background yeah

[granite flax]

"turn off" lol... thats not an option, is it?

[smoky juniper]

don't you have to delete the files for that

[granite flax]

thats what i did

[placid salmon]

Disable

Delete

You did what I meant

[granite flax]

i just got worried that i had missed an in-game option for something which took me a while XD

should i just cheese the logs... do i give in...

[zealous depot]

Hey guys, how do you get the Providence Fight Artifact?

[smoky juniper]

providence fight artifact?

[zealous depot]

yep

[smoky juniper]

could you elaborate?

[granite flax]

do u mean origin?

[zealous depot]

yep

[granite flax]

you have to beat the game with all the original ror1 artifacts (sans origin) active to unlock it :)

[zealous depot]

I understand, what are they? I didn't get to be an expert at 1

sorry

[granite flax]

everything except for tempus, cognation, dissonance, and prestige

and origin

[zealous depot]

thank you and sorry to bother you

[granite flax]

no worries!

[smoky juniper]

isn't dissonance a ror1 artifact

the one that allows all enemies to spawn on any stage?

nope, it isn't, mb

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax what's the purpose of the mobility quickstats? different speeds?

[smoky juniper]

I think gummy is refering to the mobility table

it lists whether or not an enemy is able to climb, drop off ledges, or jump

[granite flax]

yup!

[smoky juniper]

I think we also should have a stagger table

[stuck saffron]

aaah it's checkboxes pretty much?

[smoky juniper]

yup

[granite flax]

its in the infobox but it goes unused (sad..)

[smoky juniper]

honestly I literally just don't know how to implement it x3

teach me how and I'll do it for every page I go through in the list you sent me!

[stuck saffron]

hold on I'm linking the enemies data and the infobox template

[smoky juniper]

also, I want a clarification on "subjective advice" in the enemy behavior sections @granite flax

should i or should I not include advice on how to counter the enemies' attacks and describe workarounds to their behavior and whatnot?

[granite flax]

i would say not

we should provide in-depth explanation purely on objective things provided to us within the game

anything gameplay-related should have nothing subjective involved

thats how wikis like the ror2 one get created

imagine wikipedia, like on a food article or something

it would be strange if they listed foods which pair well with the item in question

does that example make sense

[smoky juniper]

sure! no problem

it'll take a while to rewrite, but it's effectively deleting content so. should take less effort

[granite flax]

thank you so much, and sorry to say it so late 😭 i havent been checking the pages as much as i'd like because im desperately trying to get these logs so i can keep working QwQ

[stuck saffron]

ok, so if everyone is on board with the https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Enemies/Data approach

Infoboxes on individual enemy pages should be called like this: {{#invoke:Enemies|InfoboxEnemy}}

[smoky juniper]

no worries! it would've been said sooner or later.

[stuck saffron]

and the actual data for the infobox should be modified in the above link

[smoky juniper]

does this include the mobility stats we mentioned

[stuck saffron]

yes! but since we didn't have the info in the wiki they're not in the data

I'll make documentation on the page so it's easier to understand

[smoky juniper]

yeah i'm having trouble figuring out how to actualize it into the page

also, after you're done, could you help me with a formatting thing I wanna get down so it'll be perfect?

[stuck saffron]

sure!

[stuck saffron]

alright done with the doc

[granite flax]

wooo!!! nice!

[smoky juniper]

nice!!

aseprite question. I wanna import some files myself so you don't have to. how do you align the image files so when you import them as an animation it doesn't move around in place?

[stuck saffron]

when you extract them with UndertaleModTool, when it asks about padding, click yes to keep the padding

[smoky juniper]

I don't have that :3

[stuck saffron]

oh 😦

[smoky juniper]

let me download it

[stuck saffron]

I think the sprites in the drive don't have this padding

[granite flax]

make sure u get the bleeding edge version

[smoky juniper]

while i figure that out, how do I align files with text and give them a little text heading in the bottom of the media preview?

like in the items list

[stuck saffron]

I wanna use this checkmark for the mobility stuff, anyone knows if there's an equivalent X somewhere in the files?

[smoky juniper]

I don't think there is

thats used for providence trials afaik

I can make one by editing this one real quick

[granite flax]

was just about to do the same heheh

[stuck saffron]

I think that's literally Text<br>[[Image.png]], but it's self contained in a cell with text-align: center so it all fits nicely together

oh that'd be great

[smoky juniper]

man I haven't worked in aseprite in a while

I should be figuring out how to get the undertale thing working

what's data.win and how do I load it

[stuck saffron]

this is how it looks rn

[stuck saffron]

it's at the root of your Risk of Rain Retuns game folder

YourDrive\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Risk of Rain Returns

[smoky juniper]

found it

[merry inlet]

Who killed providence?

[smoky juniper]

the survivor

whoever you're playing as

[merry inlet]

No no in the story

Canon rather

[smoky juniper]

that's the canon i think

technically all the survivors killed him

[granite flax]

commando

[merry inlet]

In the log its unknow the one who did it

[granite flax]

commando is the canon answer

[smoky juniper]

oh, til

[shadow tusk]

thought the story just says a survivor did.

Didn't know it specified.

[granite flax]

im at least 90% sure its commando

[stuck saffron]

It's implied Commando wrote the logs I think?

[granite flax]

word of god, i dont know if we ever got in-game confirmation

[merry inlet]

Oh i thought it was pilot, since in the log says about security cams footage, and the one who had acess to most cameras was the pilot

I will go with whoever you play as probably

[stuck saffron]

And the log for Providence says whoever wrote them killed him

[smoky juniper]

@stuck saffron how do I extract the sprites when i've found them with the tool?

[stuck saffron]

double click, then "export all frames"

and say yes to the padding question

[granite flax]

i dont like this very much but if i keep tinkering with it until i do ill be here forever 🥹

[stuck saffron]

you can also double click individual frames and export those if you want

[stuck saffron]

it looks nice!

[granite flax]

i wanna redo the shine... and the shadow... and the shape

but i am forcing myself to hand it in because i think nobody else on the planet will care probably

[stuck saffron]

it will be very small

[smoky juniper]

beautiful :D

[stuck saffron]

thank you !

[smoky juniper]

yippiee!

[granite flax]

5th loop no valley...

[stuck saffron]

nice!

I'd recommend upscaling it before uploading

[smoky juniper]

do y'all think including the walk cycle, and 2 different attacks in the behavior section is too much?

grouped as a single gif

[stuck saffron]

alright here's a complete infobox

by default with this, mobility row will be shown with only Xs, data has to be filled in for it to swap to the checkmark

[smoky juniper]

noted

[stuck saffron]

(btw I hope this Child info is right lol)

[shadow tusk]

My preference would be to have each animation as a separate gif so that people can see what each one looks like, and through that get an idea of how to play around the enemy.

[smoky juniper]

correct

[smoky juniper]

I think so too. less work for me as well

[granite flax]

in the infobox just a walk should be there

[smoky juniper]

I meant for enemies with multiple variants/attacks like the lemurian cavalry

[granite flax]

we can put others in a gallery section, or alongside the mentioned attack in the behaviour sections

[smoky juniper]

yeah exactly

[granite flax]

oh for that, yeah!

[stuck saffron]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images/en#Horizontal_alignment btw @smoky juniper this might help you

[smoky juniper]

brilliant :D many thanks!

[orchid sundial]

we need the cool font in the infoboxes already augh

it looks so lame alongside the other cool art

[stuck saffron]

not sure how to upload a font on the wiki

[smoky juniper]

opinions?

eventually I settled on the left side because it just wouldn't align nicely with the rest of the page

[orchid sundial]

@granite flax can you do anything about fonts

[smoky juniper]

and I ditched the thumbnail captions because they're right under their names

[orchid sundial]

with css styling and stuff

[smoky juniper]

just don't look into the raw wikitext script

[stuck saffron]

you can use <br> to do a line break

[stuck saffron]

also if you're doing this for every enemy

we can do a template to make it look nicer maybe

[smoky juniper]

it's not for every enemy, just for ones that variety in their attacks or have multiple variants

it would vary too much. templates will only result in more work here

[stuck saffron]

ah, got it

[granite flax]

not sure, ill look into it

[smoky juniper]

can't figure out where to place the <br> so I'm just going to do it manually like I did here :3

[orchid sundial]

cheers lad

lad? ladette? literally no idea

[granite flax]

ladette :)

[smoky juniper]

mate is gender neutral

female form of lad would be lass

[stuck saffron]

ladette sounds funnier

[smoky juniper]

[granite flax]

ladette is funny

[past stratus]

Some thought: I would experiment with the infobox containing their portrait on the top left, name next to it (title below the name if applicable), but not including their sprite in there. Instead, I would have sprite section with a nice gallery.

[stuck saffron]

I agree the sprite looks awkward here

but I kinda like having the full portrait

[granite flax]

idm it :) its just chillin

[past stratus]

I didn't mention removing that tho.

[granite flax]

it was supposed to match the survivors but theyre not on the survivors anymore

speaking of, we should put the survivor's idles in their galleries

[stuck saffron]

ah I misunderstood

you mean the entire infobox on the left

[past stratus]

No-no

[stuck saffron]

damn it 😂

[past stratus]

What I meant is having this:

There:

[stuck saffron]

aaaaah

[past stratus]

NOT ME SCREWING UP THE SECOND GREEN ARROW

[stuck saffron]

yeah that's doable

[past stratus]

[smoky juniper]

does this look fine or too messy?

[stuck saffron]

lemme try

[smoky juniper]

sure, I'll save the page as is

[stuck saffron]

I don't like that it goes down into the logs

[stuck saffron]

no no I meant the infobox thing

[past stratus]

I would really like to make the box look similar to the in-game logs visually too.

[smoky juniper]

oh. well. I implore you to try then c:

[past stratus]

(I mean their look, not their positioning stuff.)

[granite flax]

storing!!! #5 only 1 to go

[stuck saffron]

yeah that'd be rly cool

[granite flax]

stuff like the looks really should be taking a backseat rn

[smoky juniper]

can I take this opportunity to say the ancient wisp portrait looks absolutely badass

[past stratus]

Yeah

Maybe

[granite flax]

we have a loooot of gaps in information and missing pages

[past stratus]

However, counter argument: Hoopoo is not telling us lot of information either.

I also like looking pretty 👉👈

[stuck saffron]

I mean yeah but different ppl do different things on the wiki

I like working on stuff like this, meanwhile other ppl get the info 😄

[smoky juniper]

true

diff people have different priorities to wiki contributions

[past stratus]

Just don't forget to hydrate, take some rest sometimes, and do some other activities to not burn yourself out.

[granite flax]

i will never rest

[past stratus]

For some, there is nothing but duty.

[granite flax]

exactly u get it

[orchid sundial]

yeah thats why i said it

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

what the fuck hopoo

[past stratus]

First of all, stage 3 btw.

Secondly, why are they called portal imps here?

[stuck saffron]

also, Phantasm subtitle, is that just for the imps?

[past stratus]

I'm pretty sure that every blighted horde of many gets that, but will come back after checking it back.

[void flume]

Can confirm that, myself

it's for any blighted swarm

[stuck saffron]

ok, good

no need to loop endlessly trying to get every subtitle lol

[past stratus]

For some reason, the game does not want me to beat a run with Arti on monsoon. The RNG on the enemy spawns are just on another level.

[granite flax]

theyre called portal imps everywhere except for the log im pretty sure

[past stratus]

Potential typo?

[granite flax]

UNSURE

oops, caps soz

[smoky juniper]

can someone confirm whether or not temple guard's defense buff ability makes them immune to stuns

[smoky juniper]

@smoky juniper
reformat stone colossus page
rewrite cremator, imp overlord, lynx totem, magma worm, wandering vagrant and tuber page
make pages for npc acrid and gilded wurms

im done adding gifs. ill see what i can do tomorrow

[coarse swallow]

They're also called Portal Imps when you die to them, so I assume that's their in-game name and the log is the exception.

[granite flax]

yep, thats what ive said a few times ^-^

storing #2

im DONE!!

im FREE!!

[stuck saffron]

freeeee

[granite flax]

i have EVERY LOG! now i can do all the maps yayyy

[dawn cairn]

do certain enemies only spawn on monsoon before looping?

i was noticing i saw an archaic wisp on hive cluster

and the wiki currently says the only spawn on post loop

not sure if that's a monsoon exclusive thing

[granite flax]

im pretty sure its not a loop-only spawn

[dawn cairn]

okay, i'll fix that

do archer bugs spawn on magma barracks?

[granite flax]

nope

why does ancient valley variant 4 have multiple full screens height' worth of blank space above the map 😭

[dawn cairn]

idk lmao

[stuck saffron]

go on my user page and click one of the first three trials on the top of the image https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/User:Elbry

this is so cool

[granite flax]

yesssss nice!!!!

this is AWESOME

[stuck saffron]

I'll complete that tomorrow!

[granite flax]

cant wait

[granite flax]

halfway done with the maps

[dawn cairn]

i tested out the imp shrines with friends and got all the values

[dim vault]

Dies anyone know how long temp items last?

Does*

[mint wing]

Hey are we thinking about adding a section about drones

[stuck saffron]

There's a drones page

[granite flax]

varies depending on the source

[dim vault]

Really
Wait so shoped temp items and drifter temp items last a different amount of time

[granite flax]

pretty sure. havent verified that fully though

i know that sub. dupe's items last a different amount of time + stacking influences it

[dim vault]

Doesnt stack just refresh the timer?

[mint wing]

@stuck saffron my fault i thought it would be on main page

[granite flax]

as in stacking the dupe, not the item itself

stages 1-3 done :) napping now and then i recommence after real life business

[dim vault]

Im still confused but enjoy your nap

[granite flax]

stacking substandard duplicator increases the amount of time that the temporary copies last for\

[orchid sundial]

have a nice nap

[hexed viper]

?????

[graceful sun]

well it is a skin that makes acrid white and blue

[hexed viper]

i thought it was just a reference to 2's mastery skin

[old summit]

anybody know why the green items have game of origin in the infobox?

[hexed viper]

well. slightly different accents

[graceful sun]

albino-crid is more pink-white than white-white

...pink might be from lighting, but i know it isnt white-white

[hexed viper]

thats definitely from lighting but yeah it isnt exactly pure white, slight tint to it

[wary saffron]

ello
wiki doesnt mention umbrella gains

[smoky juniper]

we just copied the in game tooltip until we can confirm it

but it should be a flat 15 seconds with another stack

capping out at 2

[wary saffron]

alrighty thank you

[past stratus]

The hardest captcha be like:

[cunning goblet]

I think its a reference to starstorms anointed skins

[azure peak]

hey so I found a bug/exploit using the substandard duplicator item that lets you open all the keycard doors with one temp keycard, can i just go to the wiki and add it?

[keen mulch]

We need this template https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Clear

To prevent this

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/ChallengesWhat is supposed to be on this page?

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Achievements I think most of the challenges are here?

[smoky juniper]

I was just editing the imp overlord page as you did that lol

I work around it by just adding a bunch of linebreaks until the content aligns properly

doesn't always work. maybe we can ask @stuck saffron to help

[keen mulch]

The clear template is easy to use, we have it on dead cells wiki

[smoky juniper]

idk how to incorporate templates so I'll leave it to the pros

[keen mulch]

I could add it but wait for permission first

[smoky juniper]

gummy is still asleep I think. let's just wait for her yeah

[keen mulch]

Wait for girlboss

[past stratus]

I had the colossus' page open from yesterday:

It's already fixed tho.

[void flume]

Is there a solid etiquette given for showing Artifact locations, yet?

IE, I'm about to upload these for glass, but is there a better way?

[smoky juniper]

looks ok to me

there isn't an established status quo yet i think

[keen mulch]

There isn't anything consistent at the moment but I have also no idea if something is being discussed or worked on

[stuck saffron]

Yeah I linked all the enemy pages to the DB, and when I created it I fixed all these little issues

Well, the ones I noticed

[void flume]

Glass page now properly exists, for the most part

[smoky juniper]

looks awesome :D

[stuck saffron]

Damn that's nice

[orchid sundial]

that looks fucking sick wow

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Imp_Overlord yeah {{clear}} template works nice

@smoky juniper no need to put 15 carriage returns after images anymore lol

[smoky juniper]

oh my god

at last

incredible

[winter crown]

Is the wiki down?

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Risk_of_Rain_Returns_Wiki nope

[winter crown]

been like this for minutes

[stuck saffron]

refresh? it loads fine for me

[winter crown]

tried

hmmmm

[stuck saffron]

CTRL + F5?

[winter crown]

yep

[stuck saffron]

huh, weird

[smoky juniper]

I was about to say check your internet but

you wouldn't have been able to chat with us

[past stratus]

Sometimes, a cache emptying helps.

[past stratus]

Now, onto figuring out how to implement this.

[smoky juniper]

it's just a visual graphic right?

[past stratus]

Yes, I made the draft in paint.net.

Then I added the wisp's GIF in Aseprite.

[smoky juniper]

we could ask gummy and other people like elbry to help

[past stratus]

CSS scares me.

[smoky juniper]

samesies

its incomprehensible

[stuck saffron]

I can take a stab at it yeah

not sure about the borders though

[smoky juniper]

could be done separately perhaps

[stuck saffron]

there is a border-image property, but I haven't looked into it much

[smoky juniper]

that'll probably be it

[stuck saffron]

@past stratus could you send me the sprites you used?

[past stratus]

DMs or fine here?

[stuck saffron]

either way works!

[past stratus]

Actually, lemme give you the edited ones.

Gimme a min to expor them.

[past stratus]

I hate how Discord embed works.

[stuck saffron]

ty

[past stratus]

Here is the pain.net project file if you need that too:

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Providence_Trials trials image is now clickable

the robomando wars continue to rage on, people have starting reverting gummy's reverts

[hexed viper]

wtf

[orchid sundial]

i do love this addition a lot

[hexed viper]

i wanna try starting the Judgement page, any page skeleton i can follow to get started?

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Trial_Template I think most ppl are following this template

but tbh the Judgement page is gonna be a doozy I'm not sure how it's gonna work yet

there's so much

[grave rose]

"most people" other than the top 2 rows it's just me writing all of them

[stuck saffron]

sorryyyy

[granite flax]

i think im going to lock the survivor page

anyone who wants an edit can just directly send it to me

anyway

real life over back on the map grind

[orchid sundial]

rip my number 1 page to edit

[granite flax]

im so sorry 😭

im more than happy to receive incessant edit pings, really

[orchid sundial]

just before i make an edit on something we all agree that the monster logs were written by commando and commando killed providence right

[granite flax]

for sure

[orchid sundial]

just for this on providences page

because Providence Log and Providence Monster Log sound really weird there

[stuck saffron]

has this been officially confirmed anywhere?

I think it makes sense for it to be commando as well, but are we sure it really is

[heady tusk]

I think the closest you get is that some monster logs mention the use of pistols and a knife

[orchid sundial]

theres no way it isnt commando but theyve never officially said it

[smoky juniper]

y'know i dont think acrid, han-d or chef would be able to write logs

[heady tusk]

Trokk log mentions pistol, Swift log mentions a knife, the only character we know that has both of those is commando (assuming every log is written by the same person)

Of course there's no reason other characters can't have those things but yknow, just going off game skills

[granite flax]

90% sure it was word of god'd at some point

[granite flax]

we know it wasnt chef or acrid since they both end up in the void

[smoky juniper]

chef ends up in the void?

ror2 logs im assuming

[heady tusk]

"Oh. Fear. The Imp causes me fear, with its razor sharp talons and its one eye, locked into mine through my helmet." So not someone without a helmet (this barely helps basically every ror character has a helmet)

[orchid sundial]

this is on commandos page fyi

might add it to the bottom of the enemies page

[granite flax]

again im pretty sure they have confirmed it at some point

[orchid sundial]

would need a source to add that

[granite flax]

yeah im diggin' for one

[grave rose]

RoR2 and RoR1/R have small inconsistencies between lore so I'd say [this RoR1 ending is canon in RoR2] is not the same as [this ending is canon for RoR1]

[past stratus]

Citations. Citations-Citations-Citations

[hexed viper]

make sure to cite things that arent explicitly stated in game or page

and i would personally not put anything that are simply speculations without stating otherwise

[granite flax]

definitely very against unnoted speculation

[past stratus]

"But everyone is talking about it, so it has to be true!"

[vagrant vapor]

Does anyone know about the obtaining of artifact of distortion? I have some info but i dont want to yap about things already known

[hexed viper]

oh wow the Judgement icon has different states for the number of survivors completed, which one should i put in the wiki?

[past stratus]

Obviously, either the default or when you fully completed it.

It should be the default, then you can mention it later how it changes based on that condition.

[tame current]

have any other ||prismatic skins|| been found?

[distant hazel]

the strange battery page mentions it unlocks a certain character

[stuck saffron]

lmao

[tame current]

huh... that's interesting

[hexed viper]

wait nvm i misread the filenames lmao

but i forgot which icon is the default one

[past stratus]

Sadly, I can't tell you that yet.

[hexed viper]

😢

make sure to let me know

[stuck saffron]

purplish

[stuck saffron]

yeah it's in the files but there's no prism for it as far as we're aware

[distant hazel]

oh oops

I thought there would be a chests page

[hexed viper]

ok will use the second, thanks

[distant hazel]

so I redirected damage chest to chests

Chests already redirects to Interactables

[tame current]

how do you check for prisms? do you just check everywhere or do you go through the level files?

also has anyone checked for prisms in the trials?

[stuck saffron]

can't go through the level files, so for now it's just what's been found

[past stratus]

Going over the level files is a bit of a pain as of right now. You can't really make sense of it without proper reverse engineering.

[tame current]

what's the sprite name for the shard icon?

[past stratus]

Their internal name refers to them as strange prism and they have two sprites: sStrangePrism and sStrangePrismEmpty.

[hexed viper]

uhhh what should i list the goal on Judgement as? there's no time limit

[tame current]

so you can look for ror:secertZone in the files which is interesting

[past stratus]

what

[tame current]

hey guys

I think we might have something

[past stratus]

Not really.

[tame current]

does anyone have a list of currently discovered shards?

[past stratus]

It's like the only readable part of the map levels.

[past stratus]

Nvm, so you are thinking of using that to locate missing ones.

[tame current]

yes

[ashen shard]

i would not be surprised if that last prism is somehow out of bounds and thats why we think is unobtainable

[stuck saffron]

that bandit one is hilarious

[hexed viper]

should i start hyperlinking all the judgement skins to the page now that it (somewhat) exists?

nvm that

was about to ask something else lol

[tame current]

interesting

[hexed viper]

should i list complete all survivors (actual thing to do) as the Gold Rank requirement, or the par time (listed in game)?

[past stratus]

Do not forget that it might be still a fluke and might not contain a thing.

But good idea tho.

[tame current]

no I'm pretty sure it's right

everything lines up

the only problem is that ancient valley 2 only seems to have 1 shard which is odd

[stuck saffron]

which font did you use for this?

[tame current]

here's all the prisms including in trials which have none
desolateForest_3 (Commando) tutorial (Bandit) ancientValley_2 (Drifter) driedLake_3 (Artificer) boarBeach_1 (Acrid) magmaBarracks_2 (Huntress) riskOfRain_1 (has 2) riskOfRain_2 (has 2) skyMeadown_2 (Loader)

[past stratus]

Why do you think so?

[tame current]

cause on that prism list it says both acrid and drifter have a skin there

idk the difference between the two risk of rain levels

oh wait

nvm

they wrote ancient valley 2 but meant boar beach

[grave rose]

boar beach is in ancient valley 2

[tame current]

yeah yeah

[past stratus]

RZpix, which you can find at <game install>\data\font. Installed it from there. lol

It has no license included for it, so I assume it's something they created specifically for themelves?

[tame current]

so either the two variants of the final level have different prisms or these are all the prisms in the game atm

[stuck saffron]

I installed every font except for this one lol, I somehow missed it

[past stratus]

Just like how I missed the first line in the patch notes!

[granite flax]

arent you required to get the gold time on every survivor to gold it?

[tame current]

gonna try and dig through the files to see if I can find that unlock tho

[past stratus]

Alternatively, both variants have the same prism, but only spawns if you did not collect it before.

[tame current]

yeah probably

[past stratus]

After all, there are 3 objects for prisms:

[stuck saffron]

just complete on all characters I believe

[ashen shard]

prisms still spawn if you collected them before

[past stratus]

[ashen shard]

it just doesn't give you anything if you collect it again

[stuck saffron]

yup can confirm this

[past stratus]

It can still be the same prism anyway.

[granite flax]

prism spawn region is likely the area threshold for it appearing when you get close

[tame current]

this can actually be easily tested by force loading stage 6 as stage 1 on a new save but honestly it's a pain in the ass to do it lmao

[hexed viper]

nope! just complete them as all survivors (i think doing par time on some survivors is just straight up impossible lol)

[granite flax]

ah, then list whatever the actual gold requirement is

[hexed viper]

👍

[tame current]

here's the probably complete prism list

desolateForest_3 (Commando)
tutorial (Bandit)
ancientValley_2 (Drifter)
driedLake_3 (Artificer)
boarBeach_1 (Acrid)
magmaBarracks_2 (Huntress)
riskOfRain_1 (Acrid + Mercenary)
riskOfRain_2 (Acrid + Mercenary)
skyMeadown_2 (Loader)

[granite flax]

i still wonder if theres one in a trial somewhere

[ashen shard]

didn't found anywhere the pilot one ?
any mentions of it ?

[tame current]

that's what I'm looking for

[ashen shard]

if 1 can be in the tutorial then for sure one is in a trial

[grave rose]

500 points on hot rope hop unlocks the golden huntress

[tame current]

it's not a prism skin as I checked every single level file and we found all of them

[tame current]

checked those too and no apparently

my guess is that it's a cook acrid type unlock

actually, remember how in ror1 you could go to the top of the ship and there was a helmet easter egg? how about going there with pilot?

[distant hazel]

actually should the strange battery even say it's used for a secret quest

[hexed viper]

it does make it not look very nice... just a small peeve :d

[stuck saffron]

this thing is held together by duct tape, poor css, and hope, and the border edges are all squished

that border-image property will NOT agree with me

[ashen shard]

i still think that is a prism unlock cuz someone posted a file with all the "Challenge Complete" text
it was posted like a week ago i think

[granite flax]

oh interesting, i never realized that some of the unused trials are still in the trials folder...

[stuck saffron]

yeah true I didn't think about judgement when I added this to the infobox

[tame current]

oh I see

hmm

I think it might be unused

or a very odd prism that doesn't spawn normally but is spawned by a specific event

[ashen shard]

yeah, just like the judgement skin for robomando

[past stratus]

So close, yet... so far.

Can you somehow define a 9-slice in CSS?

It still looks great tho!

[stuck saffron]

that's what the property is supposed to do but it somehow gets squished I'm not sure why

[tame current]

wait

I may have found it

I was wrong

there is a second prism in Sky Meadows 2

[past stratus]

Time to dig in and find out if you can have multiple 9-slice modes in CSS.

Nvm, I understand absolutely nothing.

[tame current]

oh wait no I may be double stupid

uhhh

give me a sec

I should really analyize shit more

[past stratus]

Just don't try to assume too much. What did you find?

[granite flax]

hmm whatever came of bizz's code thing?

[distant hazel]

someone added a robomando color to Template:Color

[granite flax]

i assume it lead to robo in some way?

[tame current]

no I accidentally counted ror:PrismSpawnZone and ror:SpawnPrism twice I think

[ashen shard]

it was about the survivors travel id's in the logs and that helped finding out the steps for robomando unlock

[stuck saffron]

ppl sure are persistent

[tame current]

however I can now see which prism unlocks what

[distant hazel]

I think this is ridiculous and he should have been on the wiki already

but I'm not doing anything because I wanna keep my editing rights

so I just laugh at other people who are still trying

[ashen shard]

why not just create a section in the wiki that is talking about the secrets in the game so robomando can be on the wiki for once

[granite flax]

how did it? im curious, im no code-cracker and i cant see the linkage

[tame current]

ok so I have found an actually reliable way to test it thanks to this

[granite flax]

if you just search "_skin_s" in every file youll be able to find it

if it exists

[tame current]

all shards that spawn from passing through a specific point in a stage have been found

the ones inr ror_1 and ror_2 are the same

[granite flax]

searching "_skin_s" accounts for every possible unlock method, even ones we dont know about

if its something bound to a map, that will find it

[tame current]

there is this bit which can be seen in a hex editor which could be an alternate way to spawn a prism but it's likely just the function to spawn the existing ones

[granite flax]

yup

[tame current]

however

I wonder what would happen if I just set the tuorial prism to unlock a different skin

like the pilot one for example :)

[granite flax]

LOL

[tame current]

this might also unlock robomando judgement

[past stratus]

That is, I'm 99% sure, literally just the create event of the prism.

[tame current]

then that means no other prisms exist

so the pilot skin is unused

[past stratus]

That string can be read elsewhere too tho.

[distant hazel]

at least when the page is finally unlocked it'll be instantly complete because info is being compiled and is ready to publish

oh yeah

I gotta see if he dodges whorls