ror-wiki-discussion

[orchid sundial]

similar to the actual menu

[granite flax]

oh for sure!

i think that alongside the list is good, though

[stuck saffron]

well there's an "easy" solution I think

let me find it

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap okay it's not "easy" but it might be nice

to make different parts of an image link to different pages

actually maybe html/css is easier lmao

if you need help I can probably do some

(gifs not maps)

[granite flax]

honestly the biggest issue with them is just getting the gifs of the right animations

since the frames ive got are all differently sized so its a major hassle

[stuck saffron]

if you export with padding everything is the same size

[granite flax]

where are u exporting from?

[stuck saffron]

looking pretty good

UndertaleModTools

[granite flax]

oh hell yessssss

[echo garden]

Gupp!!!

[stuck saffron]

need to hit "export all frames" and say yes when it asks about padding

and everything is the same size ready to make into a gif and crop

well I guess I know what I'm doing lol

[orchid sundial]

gup overlaps the little bolt in the top left

thats really bothering me can you fix that lol

[granite flax]

you can super easily do the layering if youve got the cropped gifs

[stuck saffron]

oh it's actually an html border using the border sprite

that's why it's overlapping

[orchid sundial]

does anything else need to be in the navbox?

or is this good

[stuck saffron]

yup I'm using these

[granite flax]

if you have a cropped gif, you can use ezgif.com to overlay a sprite onto the background, and then overlay the overlay onto the new composite gif

[stuck saffron]

border-image / background-image in html/css

oooh that might be simpler then

[orchid sundial]

ezgif is so fucking good

godsend of a site

[granite flax]

ezgif is amazing i use it all the time

[stuck saffron]

yeah I'm using it for the gifs as well but I didn't know it had these options!

will try and post the result

[granite flax]

awesome!

in other news, ive done maps for all 6 variants of dried lake, desolate forest, and damp caverns

[stuck saffron]

damn that's impressive

[formal elbow]

i added some stuff to the Risk of Rain page

[orchid sundial]

cooking

[orchid sundial]

what did you add

[formal elbow]

links to enemy pages and artifact of origin

[granite flax]

you linked to "Archaic Wisp" which doesnt exist (fixing that now)

also uh, are these all working pagelinks?

[formal elbow]

yes

except glass and distrtiob

distortion

[granite flax]

why is it all inconsistent

[orchid sundial]

im scared

what did they mean by this

okay pretty basic navbox done

[granite flax]

very nice!

[orchid sundial]

wait no this looks way better

i wanna colour the links but i have. no idea how to do that

[granite flax]

i like the uncolored links, it might look pretty cluttered as a navbox if we color them?

[orchid sundial]

also also we need to have this thing from the ror2 wiki where survivor links have the portrait next to them

its a template i think

[granite flax]

unsure though

[orchid sundial]

it also works with items and stuff

it overall just makes things look really nice and people who dont have every item memorised can read it better by seeing the item

[stuck saffron]

I have this for Items already

[orchid sundial]

can you do it for survivors too that would be appreciated

[stuck saffron]

yeah sure

[orchid sundial]

cheers

[stuck saffron]

ok so bad news if you overlay a gif on top of a png in ezgif it ouputs a png

[orchid sundial]

(also for stages too if you have the time)

[stuck saffron]

aaah I need to do it in the gif creation

so it adds it to each frame individually

damn

[orchid sundial]

yayayaya rounded

i wanna try and center everything eventually

but this is pretty good for now

[stuck saffron]

ah yeah I was doing it wrong you totally can

[smoky juniper]

this is awesome

[stuck saffron]

wooooh

(small and upscaled but renders the same size on discord)

[smoky juniper]

this is so exciting

[stuck saffron]

it's pretty nice! but it's going to take a while to do them all

thankfully there are some that don't need cropping, just layering the background and border

[orchid sundial]

its gonna take forever to do it manually so PLEASE start putting {{Navbox}} at the very bottom of every page that doesnt have one yet when you come across them

[stuck saffron]

was also looking at doing the tooltips like in the RoR2 wiki but it's a lot of work (mostly typing out some data but still) and I'd need CSS for it not to be a mess

[distant hazel]

Yo that’s nice

[past stratus]

How are these solved?

[granite flax]

how are what solved?

[past stratus]

The stuff that solves the icons and links for characters, monsters, etc.

[distant hazel]

You mean automatically putting an image next to an item name?

Templates are magic

[granite flax]

we should really really avoid putting any subjective info on the wiki

[past stratus]

Yeah, the technical implentation.

I personally would do a database for each, so all data could be just retrieved from one place.

[smoky juniper]

question. do you all think ifrit is a mammal or reptile

or something else entirely

[granite flax]

i dont think aliens conform to the taxonomical structures we're familiar with

option c

[smoky juniper]

i mean we do have some petrichor creatures that are very similar to the stuff we have on earth

but either way, how would you describe ifrit then

[grave rose]

lizard

[granite flax]

in my eyes its not something we have a word for because ifrit is an alien whose biology we dont actually really know

[distant hazel]

I thought it was a good and sensical strategy

[smoky juniper]

that's the same hurdle I had with spitters

[stuck saffron]

Lizard

[smoky juniper]

like wtf are they. x3

[distant hazel]

I’m not saying “unlock origin with CHEF, trust me”

[stuck saffron]

wait why is so bad

[smoky juniper]

the low quality makes it better

[stuck saffron]

noooo EZgif you failed me

[granite flax]

i love that when an alien design is like that thats how u know its Super Good

[smoky juniper]

[granite flax]

it looks like it got squished

[stuck saffron]

the upscaler is messing it up

[granite flax]

im not saying its not, im saying its subjective

[past stratus]

Doesn't ezgif have options for different upscalers?

[granite flax]

and thats just not really fit for an informative unbiased source

[granite flax]

yep, the one we want to use is gifmagic or something, iirc

and then make sure its width is an even multiple of the original width

[stuck saffron]

was using this one https://lospec.com/pixel-art-scaler/

and it was working great until this

[granite flax]

ezgif can do it and ive never had issues w/ it

ezgif really can do anything

[stuck saffron]

oh it can

damn

[past stratus]

Alternatively, I can just resize it for you in Aseprite.

[stuck saffron]

nah dw I'll just upscale all the bits before combining them

should work

[granite flax]

upsizing it afterwards will save u a lot of time

1 upsize instead of 3

[stuck saffron]

yes but for this one it gets blurry :/

[granite flax]

then use ezgif!

[stuck saffron]

for Gup I had no issues

I tried !!

it does the same thing

[granite flax]

make sure your "resize method" is gifsicle

https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-a1fba5e28d.gif

works fine for me

ohh you might be using an uneven scaling percentage

id recommend 500%

or actually you could probably do 200 for these, since theyre only ever going to be used as icons on the wiki

[stuck saffron]

it was the resize method 💀

200 is probably enough

thanks for the help

[stuck saffron]

since the image names are consistent with the item names, I created a template to match them

[past stratus]

Yeah, that also works.

[orchid sundial]

cooking

[past stratus]

[stuck saffron]

we can always change how it works later but for now it's good to make people use the template

[orchid sundial]

i think this is better actually

[stuck saffron]

so if we decide on something else we don't have to go looking for every mention of an item

[stuck saffron]

latest version at the top maybe?

I mean, ordered by closest date

[orchid sundial]

i'll do that actually yeah

good shout

[stuck saffron]

was there really a typo in "focussed"

[distant hazel]

This is what I’ll do before just deleting the section entirely

[stuck saffron]

hahaha

[stuck saffron]

I'm working on this also, I started on the monsters

[past stratus]

Hear me out: The items having hovered tooltips.

[smoky juniper]

how can we add lemurian cavalry to the "disambig" template on lemurian-related pages?

currently it only has lemurians, elder lemurians, and evolved lemurians

[stuck saffron]

that's exactly why I started work on the DBs!

[past stratus]

Great minds think alike

[orchid sundial]

like this

just add it to the link section

[smoky juniper]

yeah just figured it out myself

thanks!

[orchid sundial]

totally forgot to add disambig to the cavalry lol good shout there

ty

@granite flax do you think you could add {{Navbox}} to the bottom of the homepage?

[stuck saffron]

I think it's the one place we shouldn't have the navbox tbh

[orchid sundial]

thats fair

[distant hazel]

The homepage doesn’t need the navbox because it already has everything

[smoky juniper]

wait so do we manually have to add the navbox to every page

could we automate it somehow

I think we easily have more than 100 pages by now

[stuck saffron]

Admins probably can 👀

[orchid sundial]

OH GUMMMYYYYYYYY

[past stratus]

The page number reminds me: Please tell me nobody actually went through creating a page for every single chest. If yes, then it's used as a redirect, right?

[orchid sundial]

insanity

[smoky juniper]

not yet. thankfully

[old summit]

interactables is the closest ye

[smoky juniper]

I'm assuming we'll add images to the interactables page

[stuck saffron]

yeah probably

[granite flax]

we definitely do not need pages for each interactable

im on team 1 big interactable page (with exception for particularly notable ones, such as drones or maybe the teleporter)

[distant hazel]

page title: Barrel
Page description: has money

and that's it

[granite flax]

[smoky juniper]

[stuck saffron]

hey don't be harsh to the poor barrel, it heals you, too!

that's two lines right there

[granite flax]

im so sorry barrel

its so important...

we should give it 1 page for money and 1 page for healing

[old summit]

you forgot another just to show off the opening animation

[stuck saffron]

also there's two barrel sprites

[granite flax]

we need at LEAST 3 pages per barrel type

[stuck saffron]

3 with the golden one

wait no there's two different healing ones as well

so 5

[old summit]

does the cursed characters barrel count?

[stuck saffron]

damn barrels are great

[granite flax]

are the healing barrels in the files used? i dont remember seeing them

[stuck saffron]

I just saw them in the files I'm not sure they're used 🤔

probably not

[granite flax]

i dont think so, yeah

[stuck saffron]

there's 40 monster icons

I've done 9

[granite flax]

ive got some spare time if u send me some i can do em :)

[old summit]

almost 25%

[warped matrix]

Why are all non english language json files not indentated my god

[stuck saffron]

i don't have all the sprites extracted I'm getting them as I go

[distant hazel]

did someone upload drone primary on the wiki yet

I found the drone primary

[stuck saffron]

the skill? I think someone did

DroneSkills.png or something

it was used in a trial

[orchid sundial]

OH LOL

i uploaded that and stuck it on my userpage

super cool

we should have a little thing on the shrine page where if you click on the shrine it does the animation

[smoky juniper]

that would be neat :3

[stuck saffron]

I just put these in a gallery on the page lol

[bitter finch]

What happened to the magic egyptian looking character in the trailer? Was she a skin for arti?

[orchid sundial]

thats arti's main skin

that is what she looks like

you silly billy

[bitter finch]

The color threw me off. I thought her of some white Portal-esque character based on Chris' album art

[distant hazel]

you know

actually

I was gonna say why didn't we name the skill icons as their skill names but that still wouldn't help the problem I'm facing anyway

[orchid sundial]

literally the exact same colour lol

[distant hazel]

she looks like one of those rider-like mooks but who's clearly not a kamen rider

like a ride player

[hexed viper]

can we maybe add another column to the artifacts page to preview the artifact's stage location?

[orchid sundial]

links to the stage they're on will do

[merry plume]

just plagarise this

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3081396588

[orchid sundial]

are we even allowed to do that

[smoky juniper]

with permission, sure

just ask the author

[distant hazel]

I think what I'll do

is just redirect every skill name to its current file

a redirect either way will work fine tbh

but this just makes the template way easier to do

cuz now it just looks for {{{name}}}.png and doesn't have to do any stupid switching rules

[stuck saffron]

you're better off moving the files themselves

Do SkillnameIcon format and you're good

anyway don't worry too much about it

I'll do a skill DB soon

and we can put the file names there

[granite flax]

nooo the current skill name format is so good

concise and straightforward

[distant hazel]

I slightly edited template:skills

[stuck saffron]

okay then don't move the files sorry lol

skill DB it is

this was exhausting

gonna order food and pass out

[hexed viper]

hey chat, if this helps, it seems that there are more types of blighted bosses than in classic. the only new one ive found so far is just lynx totem, though

[orchid sundial]

all enemies can be blighted

its an elite type

[distant hazel]

blighted worms when

[granite flax]

GREAT WORK!!

[hexed viper]

not all in classic

only imp overlord and scavengers could be blighted bosses

[stuck saffron]

I'm just realizing I might have to do more icons for enemies displayed on the Enemies page that don't have a log lol

are we going to have a page for each challenge, or are we just going to have a big table?

and I do mean challenge not trials

[grave rose]

there's like 100

[stuck saffron]

so I'm hearing big table

nice

[granite flax]

i had ones for these made i cans end them later!

[stuck saffron]

that would be a big help

[granite flax]

alright, back

[distant hazel]

[granite flax]

i dont think we need a direseeker icon but heres one anyway

also realizing now the wurms dont use the boss background so ill fix that

[placid salmon]

erybody gangsta til the lizard starts walkin'

[granite flax]

[placid salmon]

also do the worms have monster logs?

[smoky juniper]

nope

[granite flax]

magma worm yes, any other worm no

[smoky juniper]

none of the misc enemies do

[placid salmon]

awwwwwww

[granite flax]

i was soooo hoping the wurms would get a log/s

[placid salmon]

woulda been a cool place to give more lore to the Providence encounter

[smoky juniper]

would love a direseeker log

[granite flax]

trueeeee

[placid salmon]

a direseeker log and a T-Shirt Boarlit log

[smoky juniper]

also i just realized boarlits have 6 limbs

[placid salmon]

oh do they?

[smoky juniper]

their sprite is so small i never looked at it properly

wait no

[granite flax]

they do not..

[smoky juniper]

that was a layer of fat that blended into their shadow

looked like a third leg

[granite flax]

lol..

[smoky juniper]

elephant illusion and whatnot

[granite flax]

we need a normal boarlit log first XD

[smoky juniper]

we really gotta ask the devs more questions

if possible

biggest mystery of all is does t shirt still give +3 armor

[granite flax]

we will never know..........

[smoky juniper]

how would one even calculate armor differences reliably

do we even have the formula for armor damage reduction

[granite flax]

i imagine its the same as ror1 and ror2

[smoky juniper]

see we say that but every time there’s an outlier that proves it otherwise

[granite flax]

i feel like its a pretty safe bet, seeing as its been consistent across both the other games

i could of course be wrong

[smoky juniper]

we could compare to taking damage before taking t shirt and then after

in ror1 and then in rorr

and see if the damage values match

then we’d know the formulas are the same

[granite flax]

there is a LOT of other variables that could be at play there

we dont know if the damage source or the survivors hp or base armor is the same between games, for example

• difficulty and level scaling

[smoky juniper]

don’t we have survivor stats

oh that’s only in rorr

[granite flax]

ror1 stats we have

rorr, we have whats in the logs

and historically those are not always right

[smoky juniper]

this can be circumvented by matching difficulty scaling by doing it at the same time

assuming difficulty scalings are the same ;3

(they’re absolutely not)

[granite flax]

LOL

[smoky juniper]

oh brilliant

not even the THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO SHOW YOU DETAILED INFO show you DETAILED INFO

[placid salmon]

wasn't it +2

[smoky juniper]

[smoky juniper]

was always 3 afaik

[placid salmon]

huh ok

[granite flax]

its 3 but the description says +2 STR

which is more of a reference than an effect

[smoky juniper]

yup that was it

[granite flax]

got confirmation; both armor calc and white undershirt function the same!

[smoky juniper]

this changes EVERYTHING

[granite flax]

truly we have blown this game wide open

[smoky juniper]

now to figure out what “weaken” means

[granite flax]

from justice, or?

[smoky juniper]

umbrella

justice was always armor reduction

[granite flax]

oh oops true

the umbrella description is so bad XD

[smoky juniper]

and before you mention the Toxin

[granite flax]

i would ask but i just asked a question and i dont want to bother them hahah

[smoky juniper]

the pickup text says “weaken” but the log says “infect”

[granite flax]

yeah, toxin we at least know (mostly) what it does

[smoky juniper]

it was more of a half joke but i do want to know eventually

i’d be surprised if it literally just lowered the damage enemies deal

[void flume]

mm yes, increases per stack, naturally

[smoky juniper]

by how much? no one knows. could be 1 second, could be a year.

[granite flax]

its by 15 seconds

caps at 2 though

(30 seconds total)

[void flume]

Oh yeah, hardcaps are a thing in Returns, as opposed to Risk 2

[smoky juniper]

it’s effectively the same. it’s just a little less interesting

instead of getting 0.0028% more attack speed from your 800th stack of soldiers syringe in ror2 it just caps at 14

in rorr

[granite flax]

i do really wish that items with hard caps would stop dropping once you hit them

[smoky juniper]

that would be a little too convenient now would it

[granite flax]

yeah <3

[smoky juniper]

but yeah i agree

if anything i’m eagerly waiting for mod support

then we could do whatever we want

as long as people tolerate assembly

[placid salmon]

If you're not playing the game like a psychopath then you won't reach the hardcap anyway

[smoky juniper]

command tho

[granite flax]

i need to grind out environment logs somehow

[placid salmon]

not playing the game like a psychopath

[placid salmon]

Pilot + Aerobatics

B-hop across maps at mach 5

[smoky juniper]

you know i was gonna suggest looping as loader

i forgot pilot was a thing

[void flume]

The biggest thing I'm waiting for is just a debug tool, I am BEGGING to be able to just set up dummies in a target environment and just make gifs

[placid salmon]

nah Pilot is WAY faster than Loader

[smoky juniper]

brain still stuck in ror1

yup yup

[smoky juniper]

samesies

[granite flax]

im not glumbo stomping to get environment logs

[smoky juniper]

we’d finally figure out hard caps more easily too

[placid salmon]

they have sprites for a dummy too

[void flume]

Dummy is used in the tutorial

[placid salmon]

and Artificer's sunball trial

[smoky juniper]

imagine being able to set custom health and armor scalings for dummies

to match them to boss or enemy stats

[void flume]

wanting for nothing more than to spawn as many of these dorks as I want and tearing them to shreds

[smoky juniper]

i wanna do a beyblade as merc on a still target with a bajillion health

would be funny

[distant hazel]

stacking umbrellas

[placid salmon]

yep that's 2 umbrellas

[granite flax]

how does thta collapse

i dont like it

[smoky juniper]

dark magic

[runic pilot]

wait, it's coded in assembly?

[grizzled pasture]

So what is the drone repair kit buff specifically?

What stats does it boost?

[void flume]

Well definitely attack speed, though that's not a surprise to anyone

[past stratus]

No, it was written in GML, which was then converted to a more efficient code via YYC. Also, I think they meant the mod loader using Assembly.

[runic pilot]

Ah okay

[past stratus]

... Did they really keep that in the remake, even tho the frame rate was doubled? lol

Surely, they had a reason for this.

[distant hazel]

warbanner raises damage by 4

what

what is 4

[torn inlet]

just 4

[distant hazel]

ah I see

(doesn't see)

[torn inlet]

4 is the answer to the gupverse

[plucky stump]

I'm assuming base damage.

[placid salmon]

yeah not that complex

you have a damage stat

[distant hazel]

that's pretty crazy considering it also heals vs ror2

[placid salmon]

starts around 11 or 12 for most characters

so like

[past stratus]

Warbanner in general is pretty crazy in RoR1.

[placid salmon]

+35% dmg basically

[distant hazel]

commando is +3 per level so that's more than a level

jeez

[cunning summit]

would it be possible to include information on whether stacking is linear, logarithmic, or hyperbolic for each item

[granite flax]

very possible

wiki editors will get to it, we're still fleshing out many parts

[languid fern]

eventually yes

[keen mulch]

@stuck saffron

[tame current]

Do we know what's Providence's name? Cause that's just what the survivors call him

[distant hazel]

John Smith

[keen mulch]

Mr bean

[void flume]

[keen mulch]

[placid salmon]

probably something dumb like Hank or Grimblesby and he was like "Fuck I gotta rebrand"

[tame current]

Ah yes mithrix and hank the two brothers

[keen mulch]

who says mithrix is his real name?

[elder egret]

Probably Mithrix

[tame current]

Aren't there item description where he's referred to by name?

[placid salmon]

nah

neither Providence nor Mithrix are ever referred to in item descriptions, barring like, I think one item that mentions Providence by name

[tame current]

Don't item descriptions call him the bulwark?

[granite flax]

bulwark of the weak is his title

[placid salmon]

Bulwark, Hero, stuff like that

titles

not name

[granite flax]

it can be assumed that providence and mithrix are their real names for convenience/media purposes, not through in-universe reasoning

[placid salmon]

Additionally, Providence's speech is never recorded, even though it is implied that he has spoken, and we've seen him speak in RoR1

which is more of a quirky detail than anything

[tame current]

Wait I missed him speaking

I know he speaks in the dlc trailer

[placid salmon]

nope that's not him that's False Son

[tame current]

No like I mean text bubbles

[placid salmon]

oh ok

but yeah in RoRR he has lines of text as you kick his ass

[placid salmon]

oh huh yeah

[granite flax]

despite all their differences, it does seem that the talking while dying is hereditary

[elder egret]

So huntress is on the left, but who is on the right? Commando?

[granite flax]

yep

[placid salmon]

note the bullet casings

[elder egret]

Just noticed those

[granite flax]

commando is iconically the only survivor with bullets

[elder egret]

Until you get

[tame current]

I still think mithrix is the name tho

Cause providence makes sense as to why the log calls him that

[void flume]

Just noticed actually, the huntress there has antennae, while the Returns huntress is bald

[granite flax]

thats probably because it is a ror2 trailer

[placid salmon]

that tracks

but also, again, the art was done by a 3rd party

same guy who did all the album and Spotify art

and his work is officially considered "non-canon" in the sense that, it is an interpretation but not necessarily the true depiction of canon

[void flume]

It's a good point, but acknowledging that ahead of time before posting my comment would not have enabled me to call the Returns huntress bald

[tame current]

Still cool actually seeing both brothers at once

I knew it was never gonna happen but I was kinda hoping that after providence you could fly the ship to the moon before leaving for a secret boss fight

[hexed viper]

hey does anyone know which variants can acrid spawn in?

[void flume]

Just the classic variants, 1 and 2

[hexed viper]

ah ic

is it a guarantee?

[placid salmon]

yea

his prop is not a binary spawn, if you roll that variant he will always be there

[granite flax]

acrid nonbinary confirmed

[hexed viper]

oh what, huntress alt m1 did not need acrid

apparently killing direseeker at least 2 times also worked?

[granite flax]

doesnt need him, but it can use him

yeah any 3 hidden bosses count, including dupes

[hexed viper]

oo ic

misread the challenge i guess

[void flume]

me fighting providence all 3 times in one run

[hexed viper]

regardless this was a hilarious run

[keen mulch]

Is that 1263?

[hexed viper]

Ya

[stuck saffron]

lmao poor providence

[orchid sundial]

time to add this to the wiki

Providence counts as a secret encounter

[stuck saffron]

omg the code works, finally

this generates the whole common items table

[orchid sundial]

yoooooooooo

finally I can put the entire item table onto enforcers page to piss people off

[distant hazel]

"the following items work well with Commando"

{{#invoke:Items|Table}}

would that call all items or would it just break

it just makes an empty table

[stuck saffron]

lol it would break you need a rarity

[stuck saffron]

Tomorrow: tooltips (maybe)

[dawn cairn]

how did someone add the small like, boss text under ifrit?

i'm doing the lynx totem log

[stuck saffron]

It's the "name-2" parameter in the infobox template

[dawn cairn]

okay, thank you

[dawn cairn]

it's not here

[stuck saffron]

You need to add it

[dawn cairn]

oh

[stuck saffron]

Just like the name parameter here

But it's name-2

[dawn cairn]

oki

that worked ty

[stuck saffron]

no problem

[orchid sundial]

put the table on every wiki page 14 times

we love items

alright guys time to update the version history already

[hexed viper]

uhhh what are those jumping blob things with shield called

and the centipede

[stuck saffron]

Macrobe and Macrobic Predator

[hexed viper]

oka thanks

also are there documented patches/updates on the wiki?

[orchid sundial]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Version_History

page created by yours truly

yes i documented the recent patch

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Patch_Notes
We also have this page

Should merge them and delete one probably

[woeful canopy]

@stuck saffron r.e. tabs I think there is a 'default' way to put in tabbed content on wikis. I'll try it out and see

oh

that's a super old message lol

[stuck saffron]

Lol it is

[orchid sundial]

keep version history

[stuck saffron]

We have tabber neue installed on the wiki so we can make tabs

But it was concluded that displaying everything was probably better

[orchid sundial]

version history is more detailed im 100% not bias because i made it

fr

[stuck saffron]

I'm not in charge I don't decide lol

[orchid sundial]

seriously though patch notes are already linked in version history and having more detail on em is nicee

[woeful canopy]

fair enough

[stuck saffron]

But the detailed patch notes page is good, you could link to it in your table

[stuck saffron]

Oh yeah just linking the steam post is good too nvm

[woeful canopy]

Oh! I see someone went through and changed all the shipping logs 😄

[stuck saffron]

Yup someone made a nice one on the meat nugget page

[orchid sundial]

im looking at it now and honestly i cant decide if a dedicated page for each patch note is better than linking it to the source

[woeful canopy]

yeah me lmao

i didn't know how to make it into a template

[stuck saffron]

Ah well thanks, I changed the original shipping details template with this

[woeful canopy]

but the ItemShippingDetails template got replaced with it

^

[orchid sundial]

i think the patch notes page as a whole is a pretty crummy idea because version history is more detailed and nicer but having patch notes in their own pages linked to from there would be pretty neat

i'll just link to patch note pages from version history if thats cool

[woeful canopy]

r.e. skills, this kinda bugs me lol

zxc are all
skill | alt skill
v is
skill | sceptre
alt skill | alt sceptre

[stuck saffron]

Yeah this will be updated at some point

[woeful canopy]

anything specific planned for the formatting?

[stuck saffron]

Also missing info like cooldowns and stuff, and would be good to have notes for each skill (how to unlock, quirks, etc.)

Someone is trying to do a Template:Skill but I'm not sure how that's going

If you have ideas / mockups feel free lol

[woeful canopy]

so what I'm hearing is
it's free real estate

lol

[stuck saffron]

Ahah yeah

[woeful canopy]

got it
gonna make this engi page so scuffed

[stuck saffron]

If you want to try stuff you can use your user page btw

So you don't impact anything

[woeful canopy]

you're talking to someone who accidentally firewalled off their active ssh session
everything goes to production
\s

[stuck saffron]

Lmao

Great way to skip work

[shadow tusk]

I made the page because there wasn't one. The Archaic Wisp is named in the end game credits. It deserves a page just as much as the other enemies types that only spawn on the Contact Light, or after looping. Why delete it, but not the Young Vagrant?

[stuck saffron]

I think they mistook the archaic wisp for another mob :/

[shadow tusk]

I didn't have an image for it, so I used the Greater wisp image as a place holder, and then went to bed, cause I had work in the morning.

[stuck saffron]

Aaaah that's probably why

[shadow tusk]

They commented that there are no "Archaic Wisps" in the game when they undid my edit.

[woeful canopy]

only issue I see with it is that in-game, the shipping priority is highlighted based on the item rarity, not the actual text - something like backup magazine is just white text, not red "high priority"

[stuck saffron]

Oh yeah that's right, but I thought most of the details were filled with the right color so I didn't really check

[woeful canopy]

eh

style-wise it works fine

having shipping methods be a consistent color

[stuck saffron]

Honestly I think it was an honest mistake, we'll either add the page back or add a "variant" section to the greater wisp page

[orchid sundial]

alright heres what the page looks like now

[woeful canopy]

and the rarity is already fairly clearly noted on the page anyway

[orchid sundial]

version things link to patch note pages on the wiki (ty to whoever did that) and the steam description ones link to the steam patch notes

[stuck saffron]

Not sure if something's been decided for the variants, etc. yet

[shadow tusk]

I don't want to add the page again if it's just going to be deleted. I'll wait till there's an official decision of things.

whatever official means in this context

[orchid sundial]

its whatever gummy decides

[placid salmon]

can't you just rollback the removal of the page

[orchid sundial]

i'd just leaf it for now though

[distant hazel]

imp vanguards can be cognant

[orchid sundial]

see what i did there

[stuck saffron]

A lot of them have the color like this, if you find some that don't you can add it for more consistency

[shadow tusk]

yeah, but if it's not supposed to go there, then I shouldn't

[distant hazel]

wait we're back on archaic wisp again

it's a real mob

[placid salmon]

yeah

[distant hazel]

kin can even pick it

(iirc)

[granite flax]

it is a variant of greater wisp; it does not get its own page

[orchid sundial]

hi gummy

[shadow tusk]

What about Young Vagrants?

[granite flax]

hullo :)

young vagrants are wholly unique

no correlation at all

[placid salmon]

woah woah woah hold on

you can't say that young vagrants aren't just a wandering vagrant variant

when archaic wisps have different art and (I think) stats

[granite flax]

they used to be, but in rorr they were given different stats and behaviour (behaviour is the important one)

[orchid sundial]

i guess we cant really go against your word on it but Imp Vanguard, Direseeker and Purple Imps get their own page despite being enemy variants

[placid salmon]

what's the different behaviour

[shadow tusk]

I'm pretty sure (60%) that Young Vagrants have the same attack and AI, but just weaker stats.

[distant hazel]

is firing 3 balls instead of 8 really different behavior

(no)

[granite flax]

direseeker and both origin imps are not supposed to have their own pages either

[orchid sundial]

shall i purge them from the enemies page

[shadow tusk]

Dire Seeker is literally an event boss

[placid salmon]

it's just an elder lem tho

[granite flax]

they should be on the enemies page, but they should link to a section within their base form's pages

[stuck saffron]

God I needed this emote in my life

[placid salmon]

everything that applies to elder lems still applies to Direseeker

[granite flax]

if direseeker did anything unique it would get its own page

[shadow tusk]

even if they are identical to an Elder Lemurian, they are unique more so than Young Vagrants

[granite flax]

??

[orchid sundial]

i think if we're going for accuracy people should be able to easily look up the enemy they want instead of having to go through a hoop or two to find it on an entirely different page tbh

[granite flax]

they are actually less unique, slightly

[granite flax]

redirects exist for this, though

you can redirect to Enemy#Section

[shadow tusk]

more unique in that they are a character unlock

[granite flax]

that doesnt change direseeker's functionality though

[orchid sundial]

i guess if we want to be as simple as possible if it has a logbook it deserves its own page

young vagrant doesnt have a logbook page

[shadow tusk]

But it does change the importance of their existence in the game.

[orchid sundial]

and neither does any of the enemies we're talking about

so its all or nothing here

[granite flax]

pretty much, but then also + sanctuary guard, wurms, and boarlits

because theyre unique

[orchid sundial]

we cant just have the young vagrant but not the others

[stuck saffron]

And vagrant

[orchid sundial]

its all or nothing

[granite flax]

and vagrant

it literally isnt

vagrant has unique behaviour, thats the cut-off point

[orchid sundial]

i dont know if just feels weird to have one unique enemy thats basically a reskin and not have others that are also reskins

[boreal basin]

is there a bot i can ask abt items

[orchid sundial]

what

[placid salmon]

the wrinkle to this is Boarlits, which do not have their own logbook, and Lynx tribe members who all behave differently but share one logbook

[boreal basin]

like in discord

[orchid sundial]

no

[stuck saffron]

Wiki's your best bet https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Items

[shadow tusk]

Gummy is an admin, so as an admin they can just make decisions like this. I don't think it's a good way to do it, but they are able to if they want to fight it that hard.

[granite flax]

gets its own page:

• boarlit
• archaic wisp
• sanctuary guard
• young vagrant
• gilded wurms

does not get its own page:

• armored boarlit
• direseeker
• purple imp
• imp vanguard

did i miss any

[stuck saffron]

Someone please pin this

[orchid sundial]

@stuck saffron when are you gonna upload those gifs onto the monster page

[shadow tusk]

I disagree with several of those, but I'm not going to win this fight, so have fun.

[orchid sundial]

if you want you can just dump them into a google drive and i can upload them and add them to the page

[stuck saffron]

Tomorrow, it's 2:30am for me rn

[orchid sundial]

ah right

[placid salmon]

Cognation golem

[granite flax]

i uploaded a handful of them in this channel earlier, if you wanted to grab those

[placid salmon]

or

wait is that santuary guard

[orchid sundial]

i am now on my hunt

farewell for like 2 minutes

[granite flax]

cognation golem is an elite so that gets the same treatment as elite bosses

sanctuary guards are prov's red temple guards

[placid salmon]

oh those guys ok

[distant hazel]

do they have logs

I forget

[granite flax]

no

i WISH

ive always loved those guys

[distant hazel]

do they do anything different than a temple guard besides firing an extra ball

[stuck saffron]

They look dope

[granite flax]

they have a heavy presence with the boss fight and several trials

[shadow tusk]

And extra ball is a unique, just like Young Vagrants, They deserve a page by that logic.

[granite flax]

exactly!

leaf gets it

[distant hazel]

so something else you just feel like it

[granite flax]

if an enemy "variant"'s balls dont match its originator, then it gets its own page

[orchid sundial]

gilded wurms gif is split into 2 what one do i put on

theres only 1 link on the page

[granite flax]

put em side by side i think

[placid salmon]

make it random each time you load the page

coin flip it

[stuck saffron]

Enemies that be balling get their own page, got it

[granite flax]

precisely...

[orchid sundial]

that would actually be so sick

[granite flax]

where's balling parent when i need it

[orchid sundial]

cool wiki secrets for some guy on his pc to unearth in a month

[stuck saffron]

Wait hold on that's cool

[orchid sundial]

can you downscale this to like 20px so i can put it in the bottom corner of the monsters page

this is a joke dont actually do that

unless

[granite flax]

no jokes allowed sadly... very serious 100% professional wiki

[distant hazel]

parents are called ChildG

[orchid sundial]

oh right this is a thing i dont know how to fix

[distant hazel]

adults are just G rank children

confirmed

[orchid sundial]

okay guys how do i get rid of borders on galleries

[stuck saffron]

Don't look at my very professional gup gallery

[placid salmon]

I still feel like Young Vagrant and Santuary Guards would classify as variants personally

[distant hazel]

yeah but they feel cooler than the wisp variant

[granite flax]

theyre variants technically but their behaviour dictates they are different enough for their own pages

[stuck saffron]

I'll probably redo the whole page tomorrow so don't bother too much

[granite flax]

archaic wisp is awesome dont dis my guy. hes just also.... a pink greater wisp XP

[void flume]

They also fire two beams at once!

[shadow tusk]

I can let go of the Archaic Wisp, because it really is literally just a slightly stronger Greater Wisp with no other significance.
Dire Seeker though, I do not agree with. The game treats them like a unique boss, they drop an item when you kill them unlike generic Elder Lemarians, and they are required for a character Unlock. I think that makes them pretty unique.

[distant hazel]

his balls are different

I did just go search for this

I am a petty man

[shadow tusk]

Beatiful

[stuck saffron]

Is an extra beam equal to an extra ball though 🏀

[shadow tusk]

Thank you for fighting the good fight.

[granite flax]

beams =/= balls

[void flume]

They also do damage independantly

It's not just a sprite

[stuck saffron]

Wait really

[granite flax]

oh for realsies?

[stuck saffron]

Oh fuck leaf wins

[shadow tusk]

lmao

[granite flax]

i wish there was an easier way to check these things!!

[void flume]

Aye, I have absolutely seen a pair of damage numbers when shot by one

[granite flax]

ok well

[void flume]

fuckers absolutely OBLITERATE my drones every time

[granite flax]

that... might not be enough evidence?

[distant hazel]

get to hive cluster and then throw your run for science

[granite flax]

1 person saying "i saw it"

[distant hazel]

[granite flax]

im planning on it LOL

[stuck saffron]

@shadow tusk you know what to do

[shadow tusk]

Direseeker drops an item on kill like a boss. That's unique from an Elder lemarian.

[stuck saffron]

Go get that proof, fight for the wisp page

[shadow tusk]

It deserves a page

[granite flax]

yeah but he doesnt do that

[shadow tusk]

literally does

[granite flax]

its not like, something direseeker does

[orchid sundial]

#1 direseeker defender

[shadow tusk]

it is a unique aspect though

just firing more or less balls

[granite flax]

his balls are the same

[distant hazel]

just remember wherever imp vanguard goes that it can be cognant despite not being elite normally

which is different than magma worm who only has 2 elites but can't be cognant

how strange

HIVE CLUSTER

[orchid sundial]

who the fuck edited the monsters page while i was adding the gifs

wtf

i will destroy you

[granite flax]

arming my cannons rn

[orchid sundial]

YOU FOOL

LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE

[stuck saffron]

Lmao I'm loving this ball induced chaos

[orchid sundial]

ADDING CAPS TO ACRID

RRRAHHHH

[stuck saffron]

Oh yeah that Acrid thing has been bugging me

Should this just link to Acrid?

[distant hazel]

I also don't know

[stuck saffron]

He doesn't have any extra balls from his regular survivor self

[granite flax]

yeah hes kind of identical ball-wise

[orchid sundial]

they added caps to acrid and now it doesnt link to anywhere

whoever did this

PERISH

[stuck saffron]

It never did

[granite flax]

a lynx totem just summoned a box on top of the rope i was on what the hell... i cant climb up...

[orchid sundial]

oh right

[stuck saffron]

Trolled by cubes

[orchid sundial]

okay im done for today im so tired

another day of ruining the wiki is a success

see you guys

[stuck saffron]

Yeah all this ball talk has been fun but I'm never going to wake up in time for work

[orchid sundial]

oh also i was gonna mention this but someone took my name on the wiki like day 1 somehow which is weird because ive never seen DoodleEh used anywhere

imposter

so i had to add a SECOND h to the name

[granite flax]

got to stage 4 and its magma barracks

i NEED to check this guys balls

[red mortar]

omg that was me i am so sorry lmao

[placid salmon]

I'm of the opinion that variants should get their own page only if the way you engage with them is different

Gilded Wurms for example have a totally different way of navigating and attacking, where magma worm knowledge doesn't carry over

but both Direseekers and Young Vagues are fought the same way their OG edition is fought

and hilariously I'm pretty sure young vagues drop the wandering vagrant log

[granite flax]

they def did in ror1, i wouldnt be 100% surprised if they still did in rorr

[placid salmon]

they do

that's how I got mine

was a wee lad and I popped 'im like a balloon

out came a book

[granite flax]

many such cases...

[placid salmon]

unrelated but does someone have the healing drone animation

[granite flax]

which one?

the actual green line is done via code so theres not really an animation i can assemble from files

[distant hazel]

do rollerblades give you an afterimage

I just noticed

[granite flax]

mocha does, dont think blades do

[distant hazel]

oh I had mocha too so that was it

[granite flax]

blades does the little purple effect on your feet

[placid salmon]

just the drone itself a-wigglin'

[granite flax]

i think thats... also done in-engine lol

[orchid sundial]

he spawns on risk of rain fyi

just go to the contact light

[void flume]

sacrifice for the greater good

[granite flax]

yeah i was omw, didnt get any of it spawning on hive

[granite flax]

well there we go!

i love that they did give a lot of the variants a way to stand out in rorr :)

[orchid sundial]

proven wrong

leaf wins

[old summit]

Look at the double balls

[granite flax]

i dont think it was a competition ^^;

[orchid sundial]

I'm aware!!!!

[patent geode]

guys any tips so i suck less xD

[shadow tusk]

Play more. Jump a lot, even when you don't think you need to. Don't feel bad about running away. Take things slow if you need to. Surviving is generally more important than going fast. You'll get better at going fast with more experience.

[distant hazel]

I just saw a frenzied archaic wisp

[red mortar]

(btw still kinda confused about this-- ik my edit got partially reverted but the articles are supposed to have spaces in them right?? sorry again about editing while you were adding i had no idea lol)

[distant hazel]

sanctuary guards can be cognant

lmao dissonance is making the golems from sunken temple appear instead of regular golems

[woeful canopy]

Thoughts on a new player/starter guide/faq page?

[distant hazel]

if people can all agree on what goes there

and difficulty is figured out

I've both heard people say "rush teleporter" and also say "time is irrelevant" which are conflicting messages

[placid salmon]

Definitely feels like a YouTube video thing rather than a wiki thing but a resource page for learning stuff could be cool

[woeful canopy]

Within a run, yes

Just a link to the dwarf fortress page on "fun"

"Losing is fun
You're gonna probably lose a lot
Roll with it"

[woeful canopy]

Yeah, links to other guides/walkthroughs/etc, a general overview of typical games, summary of some important interactions, etc

Shared mechanics maybe

Idk, a lot of it is survivor specific

[distant hazel]

the main problem I see with a whole game tips page is you need to have things where 90% of the people will actually agree is good

like how people are split on the aforementioned teleporter vs items thing

[woeful canopy]

"the teleporter is an interactive object found on every stage, except the final stage"

That's it

Perfect

The entire entry regarding the teleporter

[distant hazel]

my description for desolate forest is still there

[snow olive]

Oh, fun fact about the Divine Teleporter:

If you go to Boar Beach, it doesn't spawn the Divine Teleporter, it just spawns a normal teleporter.

I found this out last night when trying (and failing) to get HAN-D's Golden Drone challenge done.

[distant hazel]

100% objective facts

[woeful canopy]

Does boar beach tp you to next stage, or back to the bridge?

[snow olive]

Boar Beach teleports you to a Random Stage 3.

From my testing.

[red mortar]

^

[woeful canopy]

So you can get sunken tomb?

[snow olive]

Correct.

[red mortar]

can confirm that's happened to me

[distant hazel]

can you go to boar beach after the teleporter event

[woeful canopy]

So it doesn't actually move you forward a stage

[snow olive]

Yes.

[woeful canopy]

Marble gate is basically required, I assume

[snow olive]

You can activate the teleporter, beat the boss, and then run all the way back to the top.

[snow olive]

It depends on whether you have mobility or not.

Or Hopoo Feathers

[woeful canopy]

Oh
I thought you meant after hitting it to actually tp

[snow olive]

Ah.

[red mortar]

yeah you can always go to boar beach as long as you have the correct stage variant

[snow olive]

^

I still find it interesting how Boar Beach doesn't have the Divine Teleporter.

[red mortar]

it was like that in 1 as well

[snow olive]

Also, White Undershirt (M) does nothing, despite being classed as a Special Tier item.

[red mortar]

makes sense it's just a secret level

[snow olive]

Fair enough, I was curious if that was like that in 1 as well.

Good to know.

[red mortar]

iirc white undershirt gives you +3 armor, at least according to the ror1 wiki. don't quote me on that though bc it could be different in returns, and the ror1 wiki isn't the most reliable source anyway

[snow olive]

Man, this makes me wish I had that one mod from ROR2 which shows your crit chance and armor on your HUD.

Just to confirm whether or not it does give you +6 Armor or not.

[woeful canopy]

Is proc coefficient a thing in rorr?

[bitter finch]

Yeah coz somewhere in the mace description, it said would proc on-hit items

[red mortar]

it's kinda hard to tell

[red mortar]

that just means it has a guaranteed chance, it's not referring to attacks' proc coefficients like in RoR2

[placid salmon]

Nope

Instead, several items are scaled off total damage dealt

[woeful canopy]

And any instance of skill-based damage has a chance to trigger on-hit items?

[red mortar]

i believe so

except for chef's alt special, which for some reason can't crit apparently?

[placid salmon]

Yeh

[hexed viper]

almost finished with counting Judgement spawns

[hexed viper]

also isnt this also present in ror2, like atg having the usual 300% total damage and some proc coefficient as well

[distant hazel]

robomando's short height dodges greater wisps

will check golems and crabs if they ever spawn

[placid salmon]

Yeah but it's just extra present

[hexed viper]

hu h

[distant hazel]

robomando also can't fire backwards and just changes his firing direction depending on the button you press

doesn't dodge golems

[red mortar]

proc coefficients just don't really translate easily to this game lmao

[placid salmon]

Why not

[hexed viper]

full list of enemy spawns, some may be slightly out of order

well boss stage is uh

should i include that

[grave rose]

there's this weird thing about Judgement, I think the last wave per map can go on for different amounts depending on some factor

I've had stage 4 end before all the children have spawned multiple times, they even show up after the survivor is already tpd out

[hexed viper]

Yeah i noticed that

and if you leave the Ancient Wisp for last you dont need to kill the offspring too

[red mortar]

i was thinking like oh you can't really do proc chains the way you can in ror2, but then i thought of a bunch of counterexamples- but it's hard to verify whether the chances are modified or not without just decompiling

my thought was like the combination of atg + some other item

like an atg + behemoth would still explode, but can the behemoth explosion count as a separate hit for a separate atg proc etc

[hexed viper]

ive had something on kill that procd atg but not sure what

[red mortar]

idk i just feel like it's a lot messier to track item interactions in this game

[hexed viper]

until we can decompile we can try good ol 0.1x damage and command for non-stats stuff

[red mortar]

waiting for someone to manually verify telescopic sight's 1% chance

it's probably simplest to assume everything either has an effective proc coefficient of 0 or 1 but like.. i'd still say that doesn't really translate well

[distant hazel]

I died for science, robomando does not dodge crabs

[hexed viper]

oh yeah overloading cremator's sparks hit through miner's immune

not sure if its just miner but. me and a friend have died to it

[prime sable]

heads up someone added robomando to the main survivor list page again, i don't have an account to take it back off but it should be noted to be fixed since i think you're still keeping robomando off the wiki for now??

[winged wind]

They are so persistent!!

[dreamy cloak]

wait why are you guys choosing not to have him on the wiki?

[languid fern]

Cuz he's a secret character and the games only been out so long

[dreamy cloak]

why not just give him a page but not link it anywhere else

so people would only find it if they know exactly what to search for

the secret's safe and the information still gets to be properly documented

[hexed viper]

has anyone found elite worm variants than volatile and overloading?

[hexed viper]

theres a robomando page, just says "nothing to see here"

[dreamy cloak]

nah im looking at it and it seems like the page was deleted

i can 100% understand not wanting robomando on the main survivor list but i think its reasonable to have him on the wiki somewhere

[hexed viper]

probably doesnt want him to show up on the search results at all?

well its only been a week, id say its fair

[smoky juniper]

hi yeah i honestly mistook it for something else, we already discussed enemy variants iirc so it’ll just be under a different heading in the greater wisp page

[shadow tusk]

Unfortunately there was a whole arc of debate about the Archaic Wisp, and since it has a unique attack, it's getting it's own page.

[smoky juniper]

oh does it? very well

sorry for the undo btw.

[shadow tusk]

The Dire Seeker however, is apparently too generic, and will not be getting a dedicated page.

I don't make the rules, or agree with that call, but it is what it is.

[grave rose]

the dire seeker is a red elder lemurian with a healthbar that drops an item

no unique behaviour

[smoky juniper]

wasn’t it something about how different a variant is from its base form

[shadow tusk]

eah, something like that

has to have unique behavior or have an attack that is unique to itself

[smoky juniper]

young vagrant having a different model and slightly different behavior meant it’s getting a page

[shadow tusk]

yup

[smoky juniper]

as opposed to purple imp which is just a purple imp but from origin

[shadow tusk]

it only just occurred to me that Returns doesn't have Ice elites...

[smoky juniper]

weren’t they unique to ror2

[shadow tusk]

yes. that is what I am saying. I had forgotten that they weren't in RoR1

[honest slate]

Technically there are ice sprite variants

[shadow tusk]

I wish Frenzied and Volatile were in RoR2

[honest slate]

Like the snow golems from the 3rd(?) stage

[shadow tusk]

Yeah, but those are for being frozen

or you mean that

[smoky juniper]

i feel like a teleporting variant that could apply to any enemy would translate poorly into a 3d environment

also missiles work differently in rorr and ror2. in rorr they travel to a specific location and explode with splash damage

iirc only the player has access to missiles in ror2, excepting mithrix ofc. they’d just home into you. if implemented like in rorr, they’d be pointless because there’s an entire new dimension to move in and dodge

[shadow tusk]

Yeah see, there's a mod for RoR2 called "More Elites", and it already has both of them.

They just made the Missiles explode once they get close to you, so if you stand still they hit you, and if you sprint they will miss.

They also have a discount behemoth explosion on every attack.

[smoky juniper]

that’s smart actually

[shadow tusk]

And the teleportation isn't really that bad if you aren't standing still. Jumping/sprinting basically nullifies it's effectiveness, and if you aren't jumping/sprinting all the time in RoR2, you probably aren't playing higher than Rainstorm.

[smoky juniper]

constantly jumping is the way of life in the risk of rain franchise

[shadow tusk]

which is a nice way of saying it's a skill issue

So yeah, having played with both, they both work just fine

Anyway, I uploaded a static image of the Archaic wisp as a placeholder until someone can get an animated gif

[past stratus]

Frenzied doesn't have to teleport, increased speed and reduced cooldowns are already massive there, and you could also just increase those effects if you want to. They could have a dash effect tho.

Missile can be solved by adding a new type for enemies to make it work exactly how they work on RoR 1/R: They only track for a while instead of always. You would have to actively dodge them still.

Which is funny, because you can technically dodge AtG missiles, and I assume even the others too.

[shadow tusk]

And that's basically what the mod I mentioned does, except that Frenzied also still teleport. But they also teleport away from you sometimes. They have interesting AI

I highly recommend the mod to anyone looking for more elite variety on RoR2. There's also 2 other mods that drastically reworks Elites, and adds like 20 new ones, but I don't like those ones because I feel like they change too much.

I want my experience to be pretty close to vanilla, but with quality of life improvements, and content from RoR1 added in a way that feels like it fits in RoR2.

[smoky juniper]

i’ll dust off ror2 to try it

[shadow tusk]

https://thunderstore.io/package/Nuxlar/MoreElites/

[smoky juniper]

thanks!

[shadow tusk]

Anyone know how long the cooldown is of the equipment chest you send to the Provence fight?

I know you can activate it multiple times, just not long you need to wait in between

I timed it, cause I was already there, and it recharges every 2 minutes.

Correction, it is just over 2 minutes. Seems to be 2 minutes and 2 or 3 seconds.

[smoky juniper]

i wonder what the 2-3 seconds are for

why not just have it be 2 minutes exactly

[shadow tusk]

honestly, not sure. I did also find out that that it stops letting you open it after 8 attempts

[smoky juniper]

what weird arbitrary values

valuable nonetheless

[red mortar]

anyone know if there's anything written about the heal that you get after dropping to low HP?

[shadow tusk]

nothing concrete, just that your passsive heal rate in increased until you heal about 25 - 30% of your HP bar

[red mortar]

yeah that checks out- i just mean like any idea if it's written down somewhere, or if there's a name for this mechanic or smth yk

[shadow tusk]

I checked, and the chest under the contact light that can transfer equipment items to another run, it will keep the item until you open the chest on stage 2 in another run. I found the chest and died 2 times in a row, and it was still there with my item on the third run.

[smoky juniper]

that’s convenient.

[shadow tusk]

And the item was Strange battery, in case anyone wondered if it was any different for that item.

[past stratus]

Possibly some tick rate shenanigans?

[smoky juniper]

oh no

[past stratus]

It's way too off, but I have no other ideas. Maybe a typo.

2 minutes would be 7200 steps, but with the extra 2-3 seconds it's 7320-7,380.

It has to be a typo on their end, because it sounds so strange to have an extra 2-3 seconds.

[subtle wren]

will you guys use fandom or another wiki website

[past stratus]

🤨

[shadow tusk]

I have a proposal to the 2 minute thing. I based it on when the text to interact with the chest appeared. What if the text was delayed or something, and it is actually just 2 minutes?

I didn't spam the interact button, I just watched the clock while waiting for the interact prompt to appear

[keen mulch]

Nope

Added all Prisms to their stages, based on this

[patent geode]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg

[stuck saffron]

so, I'm back after the ball debate