ror-wiki-discussion

[smoky juniper]

also. i just finished the black imp and child pages

feedback welcome as always

[old summit]

it could be a paper written after rorr so they both could be true for that bit

[past stratus]

True

I do wonder: How frequently do books release new editions?

How much time has passed between Contact Light and Safe Travels?

[old summit]

ive been adding any missing ingame details about items as i get them (for the ones on the items page)

[smoky juniper]

good. good.

i haven’t touched item pages yet since i’m busy with the enemy ones

i’d love to help test items maybe once we get some sort of debug tool that will allow us to spawn stacks of items without having to play normally

[past stratus]

What I have recall with my limited knowledge, we will need to wait until someone reverse engineers/hacks the exe itself. Alternatively, the official modding support will let us do some fancy stuff if it will be released.

[smoky juniper]

official modding…

one can hope

[past stratus]

Well, they are referenced in the localisations and they did express that they want it.

[smoky juniper]

since RoR is under gearbox now, i’m not sure if they’re going to be so lenient with modding

[smoky juniper]

i really hope this is true

[past stratus]

There is also a comment somewhere specifically talking about Steam Workshop.

This is still a "maybe will, maybe not" tho.

But something is happening in the background for it, at least.

[smoky juniper]

exciting!

but i’ll keep my expectations grounded

don’t want to huff too much copium

[past stratus]

Wise decision

You can only be surprised when you expected nothing, but disappointed when lot.

[smoky juniper]

[bitter finch]

Which file is this?

[past stratus]

The lang.json in the English localisation folder.

[keen mulch]

created pages for items that didn't have one yet, except the special items

Time to go to work

[past stratus]

Good luck, soldier!

[granite flax]

i already list the loadout, theres no items in that trial but when there is i'll list them :)

[cunning tartan]

Really impressive work on the wiki so far everyone, crazy progress and looks great!

[smoky juniper]

hi @granite flax, what do you think of including ror2 logs and lore in trivia sections of rorr articles?

[bitter finch]

Apart from the Tracking Number, Hammering justice item page is complete

Category, TN of Dio's best friend is remaining.

TN for Laser Turbine,Aegis is missing

[woeful canopy]

so tougher times doesn't seem to work with engi alt turret, but I can confirm that 44 hermit scarf and 3 prophet's cape is, in fact, enough to destroy my eardrums for over 30 seconds

[smoky juniper]

o . o

doesn't hermit scarf stop stacking past 7

[granite flax]

hermits scarf we dont know the cap of

i actually dont know if it has a cap anymore

based on little evidence, but i think its 10% +10% multiplicatively?

[granite flax]

they can be mentioned in trivia sections, sure!

[smoky juniper]

nice. noted

[granite flax]

as long as it doesnt become the like, main focus of an article, i think its fine

[bitter finch]

The description of umbrella item is a bit wonky

[keen mulch]

how do you mean?

it's from the game itself

[woeful canopy]

these two are still going

anyway, I know what I'm changing in the engi skill notes now

[inland junco]

Even just custom texture support would be a godsend

[keen mulch]

Well, actual time to go to work. It might start raining any time now. A true risk of rain.

[smoky juniper]

bring an umbrella

[keen mulch]

kinda hard on my bike

[smoky juniper]

quite risky then

[wary iris]

i dont believe theres an unused content page, but if/when there is i think its worth noting that in the files theres, what i presume is unused, icons for eclipse difficulties

[smoky juniper]

yup, it's been noted

afaik its low priority right now, because it could very well end up being nothing

[wary iris]

it probably is nothing, but still interesting

[spark linden]

why is the shard not mentioned under secrets?
https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Desolate_Forest

[granite flax]

because its a wip, i'd imagine

[spark linden]

i just thought thats a little odd as the stage and shard is mentioned in ||commandos|| entry but not in the stage entry itself

[junior canyon]

i want to show my appreciation that the wiki is GREAT, it's so beautiful

[smoky juniper]

it will only continue to get more beautiful

thank you!

[spark linden]

is there any way we can contribute to the wiki?

[woeful canopy]

oh damn I just realised
since I've been spamming bottled chaos, I probably have to wait like 20 minutes for providence to spawn

probably a good idea to put that in the item page

[smoky juniper]

why is that?

[woeful canopy]

stopwatch

and apparently stopwatch will stop new spawns?

[smoky juniper]

I've actually had that happen I think

my friends spammed stopwatches in co-op, and the direseeker in magma barracks failed to spawn

[woeful canopy]

he spawns when interacting with the console, and the wyrms also spawned, but then phase 2 didn't do anything for a good 5 minutes

at which point he immediately died because engi alt turret silly

[smoky juniper]

that is definitely not intended, even if it's not a bug

[orchid sundial]

make an account on the page and you can edit stuff freely

[spark linden]

ty!

[orchid sundial]

i have contributed one (1) singular edit which was swapping drifter and pilot in the survivor list to make it more accurate to the game

but now that i’m thinking about it more the list is still wrong i need to swap artificer and pilot too

[smoky juniper]

I think that should be the case too

[junior canyon]

WHY, WHY there's no drone wiki in game 😦

i want to appreciate some pixel art

[granite flax]

oooh trust me, drones is high up on my list

i LOVE drones <3

once i finish the providence trials (in 1 million years... lol...) i might go for drones on our wiki

[orchid sundial]

will there be a page for the secret survivor

[granite flax]

eventually yes, but not for now

[junior canyon]

hopefully this message is passed to devs :3

[granite flax]

imagine a drone logbook in the style of the enemies or items i would love that

[distant epoch]

damn is the glow for the mountain shrine really a seperate texture

im trying to showcase how mountain shrines look normally and I can only find pictures without the blue glow...

[smoky juniper]

that would be great honestly

a source detailing their exact stats would be amazing

[granite flax]

who put the armored boarlit in the special enemies, bosses, AND special bosses categories??

editing it now

just thought it was funny

[smoky juniper]

it's very special

also, I've been wondering ever since I've seen it, what are purple imps?

[wet creek]

artifact of origin imps

[smoky juniper]

oh. ic.

[wet creek]

getting artifact of origin is hard af, mostly because the combo of glass, honor, spite, and kin makes it hell on bosses (the others don't matter as much)

[smoky juniper]

glass makes the game easier though

[wet creek]

not when you have 30 hp, and the boss spawns 50 enemies and each drops a crapload of bombs on death

[smoky juniper]

you also have command. spite bombs detonate only on ground, just loop a few times, get a bunch of vertical mobility, and remain in the air whenever something dies

[wet creek]

they detonate if they touch you too

I got through it with loader eventually

[smoky juniper]

i haven’t had that happen for some reason

odd

[small shard]

Do enemies do different percentages of their base damage for different attacks like they do in RoR 2?

[wet creek]

yeah I just spammed backup mag and hardlight (when I got red) so I could gtfo or just be perma invincible depending on what skill was locked

[distant hazel]

Because idk where it is, what variant it’s on, and it’s a wiki so someone else can fill it in if I don’t

[wet creek]

do enemies even have multiple attacks aside from bosses? I think the lemurian cavalry does?

[granite flax]

tuber does kind of, with the leap out of ground attack + normal melee

[wet creek]

variant 2, left side, in a secret room iirc

bandit's prism stone is in the tutorial

[granite flax]

and while not technically an attack, imps can teleport as well as their slash

[small shard]

Evolved Lemurian can both aerial slash and bite you while grounded I believe? Lemurian Cavalry has a bunch of different moves too

[wet creek]

and then for the white acrid prism skin, and the prism skin for merc, I think both are on all variants of contact light

[old summit]

also the rope attacks for alot of them

[distant hazel]

Do they really count as new skills though

It’s still a bite, but on a rope

[noble sapphire]

Hey does anyone have the full sprite sheet in one image for commando? I have all of the individual Sprites, but It would be much easier for my project if they were all combined in one image

[wet creek]

For use in the wiki:
Acrid Prism Shard for White skin (I think it's called Calcium). Risk of Rain (UES Contact Light) Variant 2

[spark linden]

Commando Prism Shard: Desolate Forest #3 you climb the root inbetween 2 trees
map location: ||Its on the very top left of the stage||

[wet creek]

and then Merc Prism Shard skin. Risk of Rain (UES Contact Light) either variant

[ashen shard]

this skin is that 10th prism skin that for now is unobtainable right ?

[distant hazel]

when will some brave soul stitch all the maps together

I assume the maps are just a pile of textures arranged in a certain way right

Or something like that

[wet creek]

Bandit prism shard. Tutorial (yes you read that right)

[distant hazel]

So I won’t go and find desolateforest.png anywhere in the game data?

Having full maps of the prismatic trials would also help for the rta ones

Then a gold route can just be drawn in

[wet creek]

Huntress Prism Shard (Extinction). Magma Barracks Variant 2, bottom right, can also get to it from the last image iirc, but the rope doesn't require hopoo feathers

[distant hazel]

Oh yeah

[wet creek]

those are all the ones I have so far, trying to find the second acrid, loader, enforcer, and drifter still

and any others

[distant hazel]

Items can be selected with command if unlocked in the same run

[wet creek]

correct

they also show in the pool too

[distant hazel]

I unlocked mocha last night trying to get origin and then there it was

[wet creek]

if anyone has the logs and how to get more of the prism shards, pls post

[wet creek]

I hate unlocking origin so much

[distant epoch]

how do you access the tutorial

[distant hazel]

Title screen

[wet creek]

settings

[distant hazel]

Setting

[distant epoch]

ah tyty

[wet creek]

under controls

[distant hazel]

I had a good run going but I was playing with Prestige and Cognation too so I crashed my switch game

[wet creek]

dang prestige too, I need to do more trials, I am getting my ass handed to me with them though

I have still yet to get Cognation

[distant hazel]

There must have been like, 100 overloading swifts, so even more lag

[spark linden]

https://youtu.be/xex7Bg79hWU?si=olmDp0YLgx8JN4Ac
just found this video, i honestly didnt watch it yet since ill be busy in a bit but this may be helpful

[wet creek]

SOS is the one that's been killing me, I just want the commando skin

[wet creek]

Hell yeah thank you!

Lmao chef skin you have to cook acrid

[wary sundial]

This video seems to have all the prisms I found so it should be good, I assume it actually goes to the locations

It also mentions the cooking acrid

[half field]

i may have just lost a good run, but

OH WRONG TAB LMAO

my bad

[patent geode]

Good run

[smoky juniper]

hi this template is awesome can we do this for literally every enemy

[granite flax]

i mean its in the enemy infobox template, so it should be on every enemy already

i set it up when i first did the initial templates

[hearty bane]

which challenge unlocks dios ?

[elfin garnet]

how do you even get back to the tutorial

[elder egret]

It’s in your settings under controls

[elfin garnet]

ah

[wet creek]

Die 50 Times

[distant hazel]

I'm gonna say that cognate enemies don't drop an item with sacrifice until someone proves me wrong (including me)

because I haven't seen it yet

[wet creek]

Dang that’s a bummer

[distant hazel]

clover works though

I've definitely seen that

[subtle wren]

sorry but has anyone made aguide for artifact of command

[distant hazel]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifact_of_Command

[smoky juniper]

yeah I know I just expressed my gratitude

[distant hazel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=496187849

going under the assumption it hasn't changed

[dawn cairn]

are there plans for adding providence trials to the main page of the wiki?

[smoky juniper]

we don't know yet and don't have a realistic way of testing things out

[smoky juniper]

yes. it's underway. gummy gremlin (the head admin) is responsible for it

[distant hazel]

I did a glass run where my HP capped at 1000

either 1000 is the new limit, or 10k is still the limit and glass affects the cap too

[smoky juniper]

it's a glass exclusive limit

I've hit it in the past too

[wary sundial]

I played with all artis on last night, they do

[wary sundial]

Your health is still 10k on glass

It's just the modifier is applied last

It's why infusion does still work, but not well

[distant hazel]

you sure you didn't have a clover

[wary sundial]

I just realised what you were saying, misread and was insanely confused by how you meant but they do with clover

I also didn't see cognates drop any items, didn't remember what one is was

[granite flax]

a LOT of it has changed

[placid salmon]

It has changed yeah

[subtle wren]

is there proc coeffecient in this game

[granite flax]

nope

[distant hazel]

I think I just found something funny

nvm I just have a goldfish brain

it seems that aerial support can move to nearby mobs if the target dies

[smoky juniper]

i thought this too but couldn’t replicate it

[distant hazel]

when I kill jellyfish with it it ends up going onto the cognate jellyfish

and then one time I saw another jellyfish fly torward my target and it moved to that one

[zealous depot]

Só how i kill providence with a blackflip?

[placid salmon]

#game-questions-returns

[cunning tartan]

anyone know where the word Thqwib came from?

[placid salmon]

I think it's just a funny word

[silk jungle]

Is there a list of all artifacts and how to get them

[placid salmon]

Yeh in the challenges menu of the game

[distant hazel]

double chest when you have sacrifice+clover is still a thing

[granite flax]

alright when i wake up im going through and doing a page for every trial

[placid salmon]

I've been gold ranking every trial, ping me for advice

[granite flax]

good lord thats impressive. where are you at?

[placid salmon]

I ammmmmm

at

uhhhhhhhhh

oh hold on

I've unlocked some more since this screenshot but like

here's a snapshot of my progress

[granite flax]

good lord

huge props dude thats mad wicked

[placid salmon]

real talk though that Artificer sun challenge just feels like complete RNG

[quaint light]

does anyone know of how to enable the developers console

[grizzled pasture]

Good question

[placid salmon]

9 times out of 10 it's ~

[quaint light]

sure, but where in the steam files should the config.cfg file go with console_enabled

[placid salmon]

maybe ask the other rorr channels?

[uncut glen]

are we adding details on how to unlock artifacts on their own pages?

like

besides just the stage

should we make a more detailed explanation especially for things like cognation where since its a new artifact theres not as much information easily available

[quaint light]

also it was ctrl+alt+` in ROR2 but i had to enable that option through a config.cfg file edit

[placid salmon]

probably a good idea

if you just put the artifact unlock on the stage it's gotten on then the reader would have to actually figure out that's what stage it's on then go to the stage page in order to see how the artifact is gotten

[uncut glen]

it doesnt really explain

could i just add another sub category on the artifacts page giving a better explanation

or

[placid salmon]

I'm saying it's bad to do it that way lol

but "stage secrets" should probably have the actual explanation for how to get said secret

and that secret explanation should ALSO be on the secret's page itself

[uncut glen]

yeah real

ill add some once im done with this run

so i can get some pictures

[placid salmon]

photos are always good

probably a link to the secret that is unlocked

[uncut glen]

yeah taht too

ill add it to the secret page first

then ill add it to the stages

is robomando an actual character or is it just a troll

cuz theres no info on the wiki about it yet and im not sure if im just being played

[placid salmon]

you're just being gaslit extremely hard

[uncut glen]

are you serious

womp womp

[placid salmon]

of course he's not real lmao

[uncut glen]

that makes sense

ive been playing since 2013 idk how i fell for this 😭

[placid salmon]

mfw people go on the internet and intentionally lie about things

[uncut glen]

i know 😭

[placid salmon]

you are now officially a gaslighting victim

[uncut glen]

i used 4chan awhile back i am usually good at not being gullible i just l

idk what happened this time smh

and it made sense to me cuz i was confused on what the purpose of the battery was since day one

[stuck bramble]

no robomando is real
I literally saw him in the magma barracks or whatever it's called

[uncut glen]

im so lost

[placid salmon]

:3

[uncut glen]

omfg

hahaa

[placid salmon]

⤴️

[uncut glen]

nice

that was a good one

[placid salmon]

Robomando is a lil cutie but he doesn't have a survivor log

[stuck bramble]

I wanna see someone beat the game on monsoon, all artifacts with that little fella

[uncut glen]

will do

once i get all artifacts

and robomando

😭

ive been very busy lately

[stuck bramble]

good luck !
especially with unlocking other stuff like items and abilities
the providence trials are rough at times

[uncut glen]

im a little less than half way there

12 hours of playtime id say thats pretty good

[stuck bramble]

tbh same here

[placid salmon]

again, if you need trial advice, hit me up, I'm doing all crowns

[stuck bramble]

wowza

[wraith gulch]

https://riskofrain.fandom.com/wiki/Imp_Overlord's_Tentacle
it would be nice to have the actual sprites of each different imp instead of a placeholder on this page

[stuck bramble]

good luck with that

[placid salmon]

I haven't noticed the imps actually looking different

I've gotten multiple tentacles before in RoRR and I didn't notice a change

[wraith gulch]

their entire color scheme changes

[placid salmon]

I am colorblind that would be the issue huh

[wraith gulch]

probably

[stuck bramble]

on the topic of the wiki
haven't been on since like, most survivors pages not being written yet
how's the whole wiki coming along?

[placid salmon]

p good

[stuck bramble]

always good to have one
especially since you can't access logs and challenges in the pause menu -.-

[wraith gulch]

OH I JUST REALIZED THIS IS ROR1

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Imp_Overlord's_Tentacle

well it would be nice to have them on here too

since

well you can see

[uncut glen]

can we just like

take the info on ror1

and bring it over here

for the time

change things as needed

i havent worked on a ror wiki since sotv

[wraith gulch]

yeah can I just make an account and start editing or do I need to be approved?

[uncut glen]

same here

[placid salmon]

dooon't do that

[uncut glen]

is info different

and

plagiarism

[placid salmon]

that's how you get people to go "Oh hey page must be done I guess I'll not touch it"

[uncut glen]

ohh

true

[placid salmon]

and yes

SO much info is different

[uncut glen]

ok true true

[wraith gulch]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Providence_Trials
kinda feels weird having the picture with random challenges gilded but it also looks kinda nice?

[uncut glen]

once tilted gets them all gilded we can just use that

[noble wigeon]

guys so robomando doesnt have a providence skin

right?

[distant hazel]

yes, both pages

[distant hazel]

[granite flax]

imagr name it alltrialsTEMP because i put it there for function rn

got more important things to do for the wiki so small things like that im skipping for now

[distant hazel]

I thought the battery chest was on stage 3

did I misremember

[granite flax]

yup

[noble wigeon]

welp im gonna leave them

i ve been ignored.

have a good night

[distant hazel]

I didn't even read your message

the answer is idk

[granite flax]

the answer is he has one in the files but its unobtainable (or its acquisition method has yet to be discovered)

the answer has been asked multiple times u could have searched it ^^;

[young parrot]

guys i wrote a tuber description
can you tell me if its good pls

[placid salmon]

sure if I can figure out how to crown the stupid artificer sun ball challenge

[young parrot]

dude that is like total rng
i got it but like
it took too many tries

[placid salmon]

YOU CROWNED IT?

[young parrot]

i spent at least 30 minutes on it

[young parrot]

yeah

[placid salmon]

how the hell

what was the strat

[young parrot]

i didnt really have one except aim for the ones at the top first

[placid salmon]

I've been banging my head on that for ages and I got 141 at best

[uncut glen]

i got 150 on my first attempt are you using 1x zoom scale

[young parrot]

cus they get to oyou quicker

[placid salmon]

oh wait

maybe if I change my resolution

I'm on 1x but I have a smol monitor

[uncut glen]

ah

[young parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-wtf-what-despair-gif-25501445

[uncut glen]

also just died on stage 3 of having the battery literally right before i activated the portal

ugh

[placid salmon]

my screen is like 1300 by 700 or whatever it is

[uncut glen]

literally so close to unlocking it

[placid salmon]

the standard small-ish size

[young parrot]

i got robomando first time :)

[uncut glen]

ok

[young parrot]

yeah im not sure why i told u that

[uncut glen]

haha

[young parrot]

i want to brag okay it was tough

[uncut glen]

dont worry ive done the same thing

good job tho it was quite tough

[young parrot]

everyone does it sometimes lmao

[uncut glen]

for some reason i thought it would be a good idea to do my second run without glass to play it safe

not a good idea

[young parrot]

lmao

is it just me or is umbrella fucking broken

[uncut glen]

havent used it yet

[young parrot]

dude its op

if youre fast enough you can kill the boss damageless

[solemn tapir]

Yes

I assume stacking it increases the invincibility timer right?

With command on its very often my first priority for red chests

[young parrot]

yeah in increases it by like seven seconds

[orchid sundial]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Survivors overhauled this page a little bit so it looks less dry

lmk what you think

unrelated but i feel as if enemies and stages should be changed to Monsters and Environments to properly reflect how theyre listed in game

[grizzled pasture]

So does anyone have any plans for making a drones page?

[void flume]

Looks great actually, I think I'll go one step further and add the in-game colors to their descriptions

[placid salmon]

Definitely need one, considering that the game doesn't give you any information about how they work

[orchid sundial]

im on it right now

dw abt it

[void flume]

Ah, nice

[orchid sundial]

just submitted

go have a lookie

[void flume]

Looks great, I didn't think to add italics either which works great

[orchid sundial]

wiki editing is fun ive been doing it more lately

ive been making big changes to pages on ben 10 wiki and outer wilds wiki its super fun to do stuff like this

but what isnt fun is when a wiki admin doesnt like your edit and just obliterates the stuff you added lol

[grizzled pasture]

Would the multiplayer drone mechanic be included on the drone page?

[distant hazel]

yes

[crude berry]

Does anyone know the words that were decoded to find robomando? I want to see if I can piece together the puzzle without just reading the steps

[wet creek]

it's pinned in #theorycrafting

[crude berry]

sorry didnt mean to ping

ah sweet thanks

[granite turtle]

Why is robomando not on the wiki?

[void flume]

Secrets aren't getting their own pages, just yet.

[granite turtle]

oh ok

there should be a page that's just a list of unlock flags for save editing

[old summit]

I believe gummy had the drone page near the top of their list of things they want to do

[lunar birch]

anyone planning on doing the artifacts page?

[wet creek]

Acrid's Obsidian skin is on boar beach, not ancient valley

or should it remain ancient valley as boar beach is technically a "secret area"

[placid salmon]

Beach should be specified but explained as "a sub area found within ancient valley

[fallen plaza]

sup guys
smb got final trial? the judgement i think? im curious of how many stages you need to pass?

[past frost]

10

[fallen plaza]

0_o
okay, thanks

[agile stream]

Oh, I came to ask the same question.
I wanted to ask if anybody is gonna add Artifact Icons to said page.

[void flume]

I don't think anyone planned it, but it probably wouldn't be disliked

[smoky juniper]

every contributor is doing their work at their own pace, large pages that require additional effort like artifacts and trials will be added later once we get the bare minimum pages down

[granite flax]

yep the more contributors we have the more info we add!

im up and its time 2 get wikiing

[granite flax]

does anyone know who elbry is

[void flume]

Nothing seems to come up in discord, at least.

[granite flax]

yeah checked here first

[smoky juniper]

is there vandalization undergoing

[void flume]

I don't think so, seems like Elbry actually added this neat Loadout section to the trials template

[smoky juniper]

yeah just checked

that’s great

[stuck saffron]

hey it's me Elbry, just found out there's an official discord, didn't see a link on the wiki

[void flume]

Oh, well there we go!

@granite flax after a long and arduous search, we have found your editor

[granite flax]

duuude im

in the middle of doing the trial pages

please dont edit them right now...

[stuck saffron]

sorry 😭

[void flume]

The loadout section in the infobox is nice though, good work on that

[granite flax]

aye, for future reference if you edit an infobox make sure you edit the templates that use it, too

i went ahead and did it for the trials since i couldnt find you

anyways, are you interested in doing the trial pages? you seem to be

[stuck saffron]

ty, yes I did it for a couple of the trial pages I'm finishing editing the ones that are already there

[hexed viper]

oh i use a different alias on wiki.gg uhhh

[granite flax]

awesome! i had to overwrite you changes on lightning strikes twice, sorry

[hexed viper]

should probably change it here...

[stuck saffron]

well I saw we had like 5 done, seemed like a good place to do some work

[granite flax]

while making the trial pages make sure you use the template! (i think it's just "Trial Template" on the wiki)

[stuck saffron]

haha no problem I'll just change back the modifiers section with the colors and stuff

[stuck saffron]

sure thing

[granite flax]

i can go get map images for all of them for you while you make them

theyll all be uploaded using the name "TrialnameMAP.png" so you can insert them

[hexed viper]

oo how do you get trial maps? curious

[granite flax]

im just taking screenshots

[stuck saffron]

woah that lightning strikes twice map

[granite flax]

stitching them together when necessary

[hexed viper]

i see, awesome

[stuck saffron]

good luck on the parkour maps 😭

[granite flax]

worst case scenario i can actually use the map files to overwrite the normal run map files and just have free exploration there haha

[hexed viper]

has someone documented the locations of ||prismatic shards|| yet?

[granite flax]

theres a pinned document in #theorycrafting, im not sure how many (if any) are on the wiki specifically

[hexed viper]

oo ic

wait which one is it? i only see the secret survivor guide @_@

[void flume]

It's not actually pinned yet, it's just linked back to frequently

#theorycrafting message

It ought to be pinned, but I keep forgetting to ask every time Tilted is around.

[hexed viper]

ok will save that for now, thanks

sorry i dont check other channels, only joined because i did a bit of wiki just in case i need to ask questions or be contacted

[granite flax]

lol, i dont check any others either i just see it mentioned a lot XD

[hexed viper]

oh right, how do you get the base speed value of survivors? i saw survivors like miner have their values filled in

[stuck saffron]

I think the value might have just been taken from the RoR 1 wiki?

[past stratus]

Not the classic "copypasting it from another game" incident.

[stuck saffron]

@granite flax https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Right_Ingredients tried to make the caption for the map a "real" caption but you have to use a framed image and I'm not sure it looks good

but with the <center> tag, text is off-center because of the infobox

[past stratus]

Yes, it is the exact same. I wonder how close the two games are. The value is probably pixels per second, so we can remeasure it for the remake.

[granite flax]

do not take any info from the ror1 wiki

[stuck saffron]

does it make sense to have a px/s value when everything else is in km/h 🤔

[granite flax]

not only did things change between games, but the ror1 wiki is just straight up wrong sometimes

[past stratus]

Yeah, I noticed that in some aspects.

[stuck saffron]

I'm just stating that it probably came from there, I didn't make the edit myself

[past stratus]

Alternatively, setup both and figure out the conversion rates.

[void flume]

We actually have a distinct way to measure distance, as well

[hexed viper]

a football field is 91.44 barbed wires long

[placid salmon]

um actually 91.44 stacks of barbed wire would be only 19 meterssss

[hexed viper]

okay fine 453.2 barbed wires

half of it if diameter

[smoky juniper]

so meters are an actual unit of measurement

praise be

celestine wish has been typing for 10 minutes

i’m scared

[past stratus]

Lemurian's log says that their top speed is 22 km/h, which can be converted to 6.11 m/s. I recorded their movement at 60 fps and took 2 snapshots:

• First at 00:13.916 (835th frame of the video),
• Second at t00:14.916 (895th frame)

The first shows the lemurian in its 1st frame of animation, while it is in its 5h frame in the second. If the wiki has the animation aligned correctly, then this just means that I can use their nose to measure how much they have moved.

The answer is ~129 pixels (not including the error margin because forgot). This should mean that their speed is somewhere between 2 and 3 pixels per second.

[past stratus]

I was either formatting for readability, fixing typos, or fact checking myself in the counting department. lol

[smoky juniper]

impressive!

now we need to convert the pixels per second to meters

[placid salmon]

2-3 pixels per second is unfortunately a WIDE margin for error

[smoky juniper]

and we'd have a reliable way to measure distances and speed in this game

[placid salmon]

Consider... 6 second intervals?

Or perhaps just 3

But 6 would be better

10% of a minute

[past stratus]

Yeah, I will be doing that later, but really want to beat Monsoon with Arti. I can feel it this time. Fr fr

[placid salmon]

Every skill should always be on cooldown, you've got this

[smoky juniper]

gl!

[stuck saffron]

wow nicely done

[stuck saffron]

good luck, Arti is... rough imo

[past stratus]

I wouldn't say nicely, because I didn't consider some error margin stuff, but good enough to start at least.

Ty tho

[placid salmon]

Hmmmmm

It would nice if we could spawn enemies

[past stratus]

Anyway, question: Does anyone ever feel any "fuzzines" in the movement?

[placid salmon]

Player movement or?

[past stratus]

In general

[placid salmon]

Wdym fuzzy

[past stratus]

While having a decimal value for your coordinates is not impossible, having no proper workaround for it in GameMaker will cause your character to look like as if it's trying to phase between dimension.

Since the game was compiled with YYC, I can't look at the code, but I'm trying to figure out how they solve decimal values.

I kinda forgot what the original does. lol

I do know that it rounds the positions of the bounding box.

[agile stream]

I feel like this page should have max stacks needed included.
https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Items
Because in Original, Hermit's Scarf gave 10% originally and +5% each item, maxing out at 35%... while wiki says it gives +10% each and no cap.

[old summit]

the problem is we dont know the caps for this game yet

[past stratus]

We don't know how much items were changed.

[agile stream]

ah

[past stratus]

Whoops

[agile stream]

well, that part I didnt know 😄

[past stratus]

You can also clearly see that many items scale slightly or more differently now, which is a good indication that previous capped stuff might be different.

After all, they made RoR2 where they have shown that they clearly learned a lot.

Oh no

Flashbacks of old stuff.

[old summit]

thats alot of bullet

[past stratus]

It's creating an explosion instance tho.

My issue with this code is that they could have just save who the owner of the damage was then use their stats by referencing them, but instead they just simply copied the stats one by one to it.

It was their first game tho, and this is also something I also used to do.

Now I really want to dig into the original and see all the internal nitbits that the game has to offer.

[old summit]

also just a small thing but on the wanted pages its down to 100 links 👍

[past stratus]

💪

Hm... It seems that the volatile elite rockets have their own targeting logic.

A volatile lemurian was chasing me, but the rocket decided to target my ice pillar.

So now those strangely arced missiles make sense too, since those were hitting me instead of my pillar.

This should be good mention on the monsters page.

[smoky juniper]

true

[past stratus]

Imagine the confusion in multiplayer: You are laughing as your friend is trying to get by, then you randomly die to a missile.

At least, that is by assuming that the same logic applies there too.

I need some friends to test this precisely, so we can see if this is specific to Arti or the AI in general.

[quaint light]

how were you able to access the game code?

[past stratus]

(That is for the original game, not the remake.)

Older GameMaker Studio versions and stuff were already figured out, so you can read their data.win, which contains most, if not all, assets of the games. If you are just like me and a dummy about the process itself, you can just use tools that are already available. The most popular one that I know of is UndertaleModTools, and it works like magic.

[old summit]

im free to test atm if you wanted?

[agile stream]

By the way, I did my testings and Classified Access Codes seems to be calculated in a way guillotine in RoR2.
40% is flat.
4 stack could deal 100%, but it deals around 70%

5 stack + was similar in that regard

[granite flax]

it caps at 4 stacks dealing a max of 80%

im like at least 90% sure on that

its 40% +20% per stack (linear stacking)

and getting more than 4 (80%) appears to do nothing, so thats the conclusion i've come to

based on naught but baseline observations so of course feel free to dispute or disprove until we have a more concrete way of digging into caps and stacking methods within the code :)

[smoky juniper]

I'd love to help

though I'm almost certain that arti wall and other contructs have innate taunt values

no proof though

[old summit]

actually the wall has "blocks most enemies and distracts them" in the skill description

[past stratus]

@old summit@smoky juniper, my run is probably going to end soon. 🫡 Where do I wait? This is basically just going to be a standard run until we see a volatile.

[old summit]

ill sit in vc8

[smoky juniper]

just make sure not to kill them accidentally

[quaint light]

I'm getting misaligned and cast not valid errors using undertale mod tools, trying out GM Editor. Good luck on your test runs!

[past stratus]

Use this version: GUI-windows-latest-Debug-isBundled-true-isSingleFile-true

[stuck saffron]

you need to use the bleeding edge builds I'm pretty sure

the latest stable release didn't work for me

[quaint light]

what @past stratus said works so far

[quaint light]

https://github.com/krzys-h/UndertaleModTool/releases/download/bleeding-edge/GUI-windows-latest-Debug-isBundled-true-isSingleFile-true.zip

[past stratus]

So close, yet so far.

[stuck saffron]

oh great then!

[near canopy]

No way u (almost)did it with arti plz tell me u have a guide

[past stratus]

The issue with the remake is that it was compiled with YYC, which converts the code from GML to something else that is faster (it was claimed to be C++, but now they say it's machine code, so dunno?). Because of that, you can only browse its assets.

If we want to read code, we would need to do the good old reverse engineering the hard way.

[quaint light]

all i am focused on currently is finding a way to enable the console to get 5 people in multiplayer

steam launch options doesnt work, neither does adding it into options.ini or pref.ini or autoexec.cfg files

[past stratus]

Yeah, you are not going to be able to do that. Sorry.

[void flume]

What exactly would we want out of a Drones page? I'm drafting up one now, what should we start with?

Scanning through the sprites, I can't believe this guy is real

The gilded construct!

[stuck saffron]

oh yeah I saw this one in the sprites and I'm pretty sure I'll never see it in game 😂

[hexed viper]

i noticed sprites for eclipse 3...

armada

[void flume]

There's actually sprites for eclipse 1 to 8!

I'm curious if they have plans for those

[hexed viper]

ya i only saw 3 lmao

hope they dont make it 1:1

i mean they cant because of e2

[void flume]

I'm sure there'd be some repeats due to just how much some mechanics could easily float over, like starting health or fall damage, but they're smart over there at hopoo; They'd think of some new curveballs to throw at us.

[hexed viper]

movespeed would definitely be a lot scarier in this game

[distant hazel]

there are missing pages for damage, utility, health

are those getting category pages

[heady tusk]

does anyone know whats up with the ice sprites in chefs spritesheet? i assume just unused stuff?

[stuck saffron]

they look like ice versions of his secondary

probably unused stuff but who knows

[heady tusk]

that's super cool tbh

looks like drifter was meant to have some kind of mine too

[languid sierra]

im confused here, does empowering chef's secondary still do extra damage to glazed enemies? is there any difference between regular glaze and empowered glaze besides the distance it spans?

the fact the 78% extra damage is written on the unempowered secondary and the empowered utility is throwing me off

[heady tusk]

From playing him i havent noticed it deal any extra damage, just send further. I imagine they just swapped which ability it's on by accident

[languid sierra]

yea thats what i thought was happening just from playing it

do we know the stats on these items like the damage

[stuck saffron]

dw I was confused too when I wrote it lmao

[hexed viper]

hard to tell, theyre not in the logbook

[stuck saffron]

btw I noticed this on the main page and it's driving me nuts

I think a word is missing there

[hexed viper]

"the" could be removed

[stuck saffron]

or that yes

[void flume]

Do we know if the Arms Race and Drone Repair Kit drones have unique names?

[twin grail]

the returned?

[void flume]

Probably "the Risk of Rain Returns wiki", if I might throw my hat into the ring.

[distant hazel]

Welcome to the Rick of Rain Returns!

[stuck saffron]

That's what I was thinking as well

[granite flax]

lol, i'll add that

[granite flax]

nope

for now, anyway

we'll have to approximate via testing, if at all

[distant hazel]

is there a way to resize the image in iteminfobox

[granite flax]

yeah

add |100px after the filename

change the size to what u want

[stuck saffron]

It doesn't work in iteminfobox for some reason

[distant hazel]

yeah dissonance is 20px higher than everything else

my eyes didn't notice it, but I accidentally looked at the file info and now I know about it

[old summit]

we did some tests and the cube from drifter has taunt as well

[stuck saffron]

What are they cooking

[distant hazel]

Acrid

[past stratus]

Giving tips to that one guy who is suffering on Arti, then I will be listing our test results, because we got a bit more than expected.

[past stratus]

Soon™️ I'm not stopping until I'm done.

The best tip I can give is focus on moving, rather than hitting. Flame chakrams are not that bad for DPS, but their unreliability is what breaks it on top of enemies wanting to move. You are not a DPS character. You do a rotation then proceed to survive until the next.

Only use chakrams when it's free during kiting or between your skills.

[granite flax]

oh oops, in the infobox yeah

thats why when i uploaded item and trial icons i made them really big images first

then we can downscale them in other areas

[wet creek]

Would it be worth it to use Arti’s alt utility then if kiting? Since, while it doesn’t keep enemies immobile, it gives you a lot more mobility

[void flume]

Drones page now exists. There's definitely more info to be added, but I think it covers the basics well enough.

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Drones

[distant hazel]

I found the right imagemagick argument so my images are more like 1kb and not 5kb

[smoky juniper]

yeah that's what I expected. nice.

[distant hazel]

priorities

[wet creek]

Might make an account to add info on the upgraded drones, unless that’s coming later. Likewise you can find upgraded drones for purchase occasionally (upgraded drones like Beam Drone and Golden Drone)

[void flume]

There's mention of upgraded drones generally speaking, but I didn't elaborate too much on them.

[wet creek]

What’s the upgraded healing drone called? Surgery Drone?

[void flume]

I imagine when the page is fleshed out, the lines of text will be replaced with tables and stat boxes.

[wet creek]

Never had one die to check

[void flume]

Medical Drone.

What I learned from the Lang file

[old summit]

so the gold ones are actually gilded hmm

[void flume]

Aye, and there's also a gilded Friendly Construct, which I imagine very few people will ever actually see

[wet creek]

I really wanna try to get a blaze and rocket drone, seems like they’d be insanely good

Also reboot is the prompt for ||robomando|| so that’s interesting

[void flume]

I've seen Blaze drones spawn on the Contact Light, before

[wet creek]

Yeah that’s how I got the beam drone for the engi challenge

[wary sundial]

we tried to see if it would go into the upgrader as we had three before we realised they die permanently

[void flume]

Aaand that's why I imagine very few people will see them

[wary sundial]

it died because I killed it to give to my friend xP

[orchid sundial]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Stages updated this page

[granite flax]

whats your wiki user?

if youre the one who uploaded the new 56 leaf clover, it's now tiny in the infobox

thats why our images are large

[orchid sundial]

oh also i updated the tiny ass images on the stage menus

im gonna replace hive cluster probably because its just the bg

[distant hazel]

overdress3727

[orchid sundial]

(should i have the sections be under their own headings or subheadings?)

[old summit]

having level, enviroment, and stage be used interchangeably is a messy thing

[distant hazel]

does the game ever use level

[orchid sundial]

oh yeah its like that all over the wiki i tried to localise it all to stage here

[granite flax]

level should be reserved for the slot within the advancement route

ie. level 1 is dried lake and desolate forest

stages and environments are interchangeable but we should still stick to one

[distant hazel]

the game lists the logs under Environments

but other things like Kin use the word "stage"

[orchid sundial]

should i move the stage page to environments then?

it would keep it consistent with the logs and match the way it is on the ror2 wiki

[granite flax]

leave the page as it is imo

we have redirects so anyone looking for them will find them

[orchid sundial]

im just touching up a bit of wording on it then i'll leave it

and probably changing the hive cluster image

[granite flax]

oh yeah stuff like that u can go wild

i meant more like, dont change the actual page itself

url/title wise

[orchid sundial]

alright

also on the topic should enemies be changed to monsters to match the in game wording?

[granite flax]

ehh same deal, leave urls and titles as they are so we dont have to find every link to them and redo it

[orchid sundial]

should i add looping to the bottom of the stages page like it is on the ror2 wiki or will that have its own dedicated place

[distant hazel]

hypothetically, won't they just redirect

[granite flax]

yeah looping should have a section on the stages page

[past stratus]

Some of the discoveries we gathered:

• Drifter's Scrap Cube has taunt properties, similar to Artificer's Frost Barrier, although, with significantly less health.
• We already know that you can't use Frost Barrier as a platform, but we also could not manage to spawn it on top of Scrap Cube. We did not test this properly tho.
• Tuber's can come out of the ground to specifically target those stuff too.
• Spitter's attacks pierces, even though Frost Barrier. Did not manage to check Scrap Cube, but probably safe to assume?
• Spitters also seem to have a more limited angle to shoot sometimes.
• Volatile elite missiles acquire targets on their own. They don't care who the firing monster is targeting at the time.
• Additionally, the rockets can target Scrap Cube and Frost Barrier, but the targeting seems to be random and not even guaranteed to be those. No player safety guaranteed.
• The discharge of overloading elites can bounce. We don't know how many targets.
• The bounce can happen on both Scrap Cube and Frost Barrier too, resulting in some unfortunate events when unprepared.
• Arms Race empowers Back-Up drones as well.
• Back-Up drones cannot be scrapped (this was just sanity checked).
• Stopping time also stops taking damage from lava. Don't know about fire on the ground, but I do know that their timer is not stopped and will go out.

Not sure if worth mentioning, but taking mountain shrine with artifact of honor will end up ruining your run right at the first stage with 2 overloading magma worms. Would do it again.

@smoky juniper

[granite flax]

thats true actually yeah they would

[orchid sundial]

alright working on it the now

[smoky juniper]

the overloading elite stuff is probably not reliable, seeing as they admitted that overloaded elites have bugged range right now

it probably can normally bounce but not with the range it does right now

otherwise. really good finding! this will be important once we get to the nitty gritty for each individual survivor ability

[hexed viper]

learnt about spitter piercing the hard way...

[distant hazel]

how do you make thumb wider, the actual box

wait nvm I'll look it up

[past stratus]

Also, do not use Frost Barrier against leeching elites.

[distant hazel]

this being 2 lines bothers me but idk how to change it because the resizing options are for the picture not the entire box

[granite flax]

where is this?

[distant hazel]

creating the page for origin, so nowhere yet

[granite flax]

try using frameless instead of thumb

[distant hazel]

that removes the caption and just has the image by itself

[stuck saffron]

We need frame or thumb to have a caption but it results in these borders yeah

It's annoying

[granite flax]

just put a plaintext caption below it

[smoky juniper]

can I just say the drone page is beautiful

we just need preview images/gifs

[void flume]

to save people the search, the whole drone sheet is here if they want to trim and contribute to it

There could probably be a section on Multiplayer drones as well, come to think of it

[orchid sundial]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Stages added the looping section and fixed wording yay!!

if anyone has more info on what changes during loops please add it to the bottom i only have first stage stuff currently

[granite flax]

general info for that is fine (saying "new interactabless and enemies are added to stage spawnpools once the player has completed a loop" or something) because individual stage pages will have specific sections for post-loop additions to their interactable and enemy spawnpools

[wet creek]

Ooooo gold beam drone laser is blue? Interesting

[orchid sundial]

right

i just feel like having it all in one place so the section is larger would be a nice choice

[wet creek]

I think those are being added to the survivor pages

[void flume]

Only the images, IIRC. Nothing about the drone behavior itself

Not that there's probably much to it anyway, I suppose.

[wet creek]

I thought they all functioned the same? Do they not? Because if they don’t that’s a cool touch

[granite flax]

theyre all identical

[void flume]

I meant multiplayer drone gameplay in general, yeah

[distant hazel]

I've spent too much time on this

I'm using default

should these images or text or both link to the monster pages

[granite flax]

both :)

[distant hazel]

I was gonna ask if every chest would have its own page but that may be useful for category chests

[granite flax]

i dont thiiink every interactable should have its own page

only if its particularly feature rich or relevant, but even then i dunno how far we can extend an article like that

[distant hazel]

actually category chests don't need their own pages

because item pages should be set into categories anyways

so the Chest page will be like "green chests give you a healing item" and the healing item text links you to Category:Healing

[past stratus]

[proven basin]

when are we adding robomando to the wiki

[distant hazel]

same

what are elite icons called

and how tall is the normal font on the wiki

elite icons are called EliteIcon

EliteIconArtifactBoss

mediawiki's default font size is 14px

Will elites have their own page or will they just stay on the Enemies page?

wait you're telling me I could have done [[Monster]]s the entire time???

it seems to only work with lowercase letters, but still

[cunning summit]

would there be a possible way to get an image of an entire stage without compositing hundreds of screenshots

[distant hazel]

these link to Enemies#Elites but if Elites get their own page let me know

[distant hazel]

if you find out let us know

[cunning summit]

i guess that would require figuring out how the .rorlvl file format works

at the very least i hope we get substantial prismatic shard info on the wiki soon

[granite flax]

i was probably going to go through and stitch together whole-stage screenshots if i can remove the backgrounds

which i think i can, but it might cause an error slash crash so i dunno

[cunning tartan]

is there a quick way to get bigger versions of the item sprites? Would be nice to scale them up without blurring

[distant hazel]

Imagemagick is the command line tool I use

There are less intimidating options but those work one at a time

What items are needed

[past stratus]

I can say it already that they contain scripts and that there is a lot of repeated data, which is what I assume to be the tiles in the grid.

Otherwise, I'm not more knowledgable than anyone else really.

[cunning tartan]

they are all small on their individual pages

[distant hazel]

except clover cuz I just reuploaded that

what the hell is headstomper called

they're just stompers

[cunning tartan]

has anyone organized the game sprite files into groups? Like a download of just items or just drones etc

[distant hazel]

I just realized this upscaler is in fact not perfect, but you can only notice that if you compare images side by side

so I'll keep going

I was using -sample which has the tiniest bit of fuzz, and maybe the colors are a little off

but the file size is also 1/5 what I get using -scale so

maybe I'm just tricking myself into thinking it's worse

[stuck saffron]

https://lospec.com/pixel-art-scaler/ this one's alright but it's file by file

[granite flax]

we have big versions of all item sprites on the wiki already

the name is the items name with no punctuation, only the first letter caps

[distant hazel]

oh

[granite flax]

please just use the ones we've got already ^-^; we dont need dupes

[distant hazel]

so they're different from {{PAGENAME}}

[granite flax]

yup, which is why pagename is ill-advised

[distant hazel]

now I'll just ask why they weren't uploaded there from the start

I just realized the frenzied elite has what kinda looks like a fast forward icon

don't know what volatile is supposed to be

[granite flax]

they were, theyve been there for quite a while

[distant hazel]

I mean "there" as in under their own pagename, not "there" as in the wiki in general

what's the color of the page backgrounds

[stuck saffron]

#121216

[distant hazel]

ty

this is on my own page, these are the elite colors I'm using unless someone stops me

[stuck saffron]

works with [[Jellyfish]]es too!

[distant hazel]

I already did elite colors for Artifact of Origin's page if you wanna see it in action

[stuck saffron]

could do a small template to put the color + icon automatically if you find yourself using this format often

looks nice!

[distant hazel]

templates can do icons too?

and ty

[stuck saffron]

you can basically do anything you want yeah

[cunning tartan]

Im confused, some items dont have big images though? like hopoo feather is crazy small on its page

[stuck saffron]

cause it's using the wrong image for some reason

I fixed it

[stuck saffron]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Elite dunno if it'll be useful but there

missing 2 icons

[granite flax]

hmm, i dont know if elite types should get individual pages?

nothing against it, i just think a single "Elites" page would be more than sufficient

[stuck saffron]

it just links to the elite subpage rn

[distant hazel]

yeah it links to Monsters#Elites

I think an "Elites" page would be good

[granite flax]

i love elites so much <3

i really really hope they expand on them in the future

[placid salmon]

Wtf is a cognant elite

[distant hazel]

the ghosts spawned by artifact of cognation

[smoky juniper]

what is the artifact of cognition

[distant hazel]

an artifact that spawns cognant elites

Enemies create a temporary clone on death.

[placid salmon]

Oh it's like artifact of soul

[winged wind]

Do they have special properties?

[distant hazel]

some person made a wiki page on the artifact

[stuck saffron]

do they have the bonus HP from being elites?

[distant hazel]

yes

and they move faster a tiny bit

idk if they hit harder because I'm not trying to get hit by one

[latent monolith]

hello people i was wondering which magma barracks variation the shard spawns in and where i could find it

[stuck saffron]

someone added the secret character to the survivors page 💀

[stuck saffron]

variant 2, near where the log is, all the way to the bottom right

[latent monolith]

alright thank you

[latent monolith]

also bruh i dont think that should be there

[granite flax]

god damn it

amended

if people do that please ping me its like fighting off hungry wolves

[smoky juniper]

lmao

i will probably resume work on enemy pages tomorrow. was busy with studies today. perhaps i could branch out to contribute to bosses too

[orchid sundial]

can we have the other tabs cycle through stuff like the survivors tab?

[distant hazel]

categories

since the pages are already created I'm just gonna redirect the category page to the proper page

[orchid sundial]

ive never really edited on wiki.gg most of the wikis ive been contributing to are on fandom

[distant hazel]

mediawiki, html, and css

[granite flax]

yeah for sure, i just did these in like 10 minutes when i set up the first stuff haha

ill put together some better things tomorrow morning or tonight :)

[elder egret]

Where is the illegal shipment?

[placid salmon]

in the storage bay

[old summit]

Top left keycard room

[orchid sundial]

oh also very weird random suggestion but i think eventually this wiki should just become the RIsk of Rain wiki because theres 3 different wikis now and its gonna be confusing for people

since if you wanna read the lore through the wiki for whatever reason you have to cycle between different sites and its just blegh

obviously not right now but when a new risk of rain title comes around one day i think that would be the correct thing to do

[placid salmon]

agreed

's what Darkest Dungeon did

[orchid sundial]

https://riskofrainreturns.wiki.gg/wiki/Petrichor_V anyway gave this page a little touch up

not even a little i actually just made the entire page lol

[placid salmon]

it has two moons

but one is smol

[orchid sundial]

shit really?

OH

i thought that was just another part of the moon

[placid salmon]

nah 's a full orb

I think it's the moon's moon

I think the moon has a smaller moon orbiting it

[orchid sundial]

yeah that can happen i think

moonlet?

[low veldt]

the question is how to do items with different effects across different games

[placid salmon]

"Submoon" according to the goog'

[orchid sundial]

seperate the wiki into 3 sections obviously

[placid salmon]

yeah just like

[orchid sundial]

then you can look in the search bar Soldiers_Syringe_(Risk_Of_Rain_2) to find that version

[placid salmon]

Soldier's Syringe (RoR1)
Soldier's Syringe (RoRR)
Soldier's Syringe (RoR2)

[orchid sundial]

yeah

i think having it all in one place would be nice but its a little confusing now

[low veldt]

and keep the 'lore' pages together? (petrichor V)

[orchid sundial]

also TCald i recognise your name from twitter

no idea where

i feel like i remember you

[placid salmon]

yeah the main benefit is there can be an overarching lore section that isn't game specific

[orchid sundial]

mhm this

[low veldt]

i think i have one tweet in three years so i doubt it :v

[orchid sundial]

ah

[placid salmon]

and then just put a buncha hyperlinks that go to the different logs where lore is gotten

[orchid sundial]

probably similar name then

it would be confusing to do now since the wiki is already made but maybe one day

we just have to see if its needed i guess

[placid salmon]

yeah no no finish the Returns portion first

then do a RoR2 section later

a RoR1 section might not be needed

[low veldt]

might be easier to merge the RoR1 stuff first

lots of copypaste

gets it off fandom at least

[placid salmon]

copypastes of incorrect information sure

[grizzled pasture]

Do not fall into that trap

[orchid sundial]

rorr is basically the new ror1

[low veldt]

(copypaste from fandom i meant)

[orchid sundial]

no idea why anyone would wanna play ror1 anymore outside of maybe mods

and also because rorr is in a pretty awkward place with balance issues n junk

[shadow tusk]

The ror1 wiki is a mess because it has random ror2 stuff

[orchid sundial]

yeah i hate that

[placid salmon]

RoRR is more balanced than RoR1

[low veldt]

no shock bugs places a pretty convincing argument

[orchid sundial]

they did say theres a balancing issue currently

ive not really noticed anything but if the devs say so i guess

or so ive heard

[placid salmon]

balance about what

[orchid sundial]

literally no idea

[low veldt]

mostly flyers being way more dangerous is what's been suggested

also the battery got an item page but with no info??

[orchid sundial]

well yeah its in preparation

petrichor v page had nothing

[low veldt]

but the main item page shows how to get it

i thought that wasn't supposed to be up yet

[distant hazel]

Technically

Only the robomando page was banned :)

[low veldt]

do you know when he's unbanned?

secret seems to be not secret very much now

[distant hazel]

It’s a secret to everyone

[old summit]

It’s only not a secret to people on here because everyone spoils each other

[granite flax]

iiiii... dunno about this tbh!

it was created with the intention to be the returns wiki

like, maybe in the future, never say never n all

[placid salmon]

definitely make it a feature complete RoRR wiki first

[granite flax]

but first and foremost (and definitely for now)

yeah!

[orchid sundial]

yeah 100% rorr wiki right now

but later on once seekers of the storm drops and we start getting more content from this game (possibly) it could be moved and turned into the risk of rain wiki

fandom kinda smells so it'd be nice to move all the ror2 stuff off of there and localise it

[placid salmon]

damnable Fandom is gonna keep being a top google result which blows

[orchid sundial]

god i hate that so much

even when i look up risk of rain returns wiki to find the wiki the risk of rain wiki page for risk of rain returns appears first

its so shit

its like this for literally every wiki too lol its so annoying

[stuck saffron]

had this with fextralife for the BG3 wiki

they're the worst

[orchid sundial]

theres also this

[placid salmon]

maybe if we just mass-submit these

like just, every single time you do a google submit one

wait

aw dang

nevermind that's not helpful

[distant hazel]

Say that the ror1 pages are outdated since some things got changed in returns

[old summit]

I just spotted in one of the chats that the use item box for Robo unlock can spawn in the judgement trial

[placid salmon]

tried but "outdated" means literally the search result is the old version of a newer page

[distant hazel]

😔

Is anything literally ripped from Starstorm

For the sake of game origin mostly

Like Mocha is technically a ror2 item but we know the coffee bag exists

[placid salmon]

uhhhhhhhh

if there is then it's because of Saturn

aka the Starstorm maker

[distant hazel]

like Starstorm had an Artifact of Cognation and Prestige, but idk if they worked the same way as they do in rorr

that would be the difference to me between listing it as game of origin vs a line of trivia

[placid salmon]

just ask Saturn I guess

[granite flax]

nk made starstorm..

but all starstorm stuff in rorr is there because of sat for sure

[placid salmon]

oh wait yeah nk not saturn derp

that's what I meant though

they're on the team is what I was getting at

[mint wing]

has anyone had some issues getting the arti 15 kill multi kill

i feel like ive done it 10 times now and it never seems to register

[placid salmon]

Using what

[agile stream]

It has to be same tick, not 15 kills under a second.

So, golden bomb did the job for me.

[tired galleon]

should there be a providence trials tab here

[granite flax]

very true!

[tired galleon]

that would be nice i think (i have no clue about wiki editing)

but i only found out that the wiki had info on the prov trials coz i clicked the random page button and it took me to a bandit one

[granite flax]

ill add that on there later when im home

[hexed viper]

ooo love the items image

i should tally the enemies that spawn in the judgement trial... it would be funny...

[agile stream]

I feel like Enemy icon should be different here, it blurs with stages icon otherwise. At very least it is very close when I look via mobile.

[granite flax]

we've got (or will have) a specific page for judgement so putting all the enemies which spawn there in the respective waves' sections is a brilliant idea

[woeful canopy]

Is the format/style of the survivor and enemy logs suitable to use for item logs?

also I think the coloration of the shipping method has been done by the text, rather than the item rarity, which is what determines the color in the game logs

backup magazine's "High priority" shipping method is red, when it's white in-game

[glacial cloud]

me, waiting for artifact of sacrifice to be added on the wiki

[tame current]

Is there going to be a ||robomando|| page or not? I've seen a few attempts at it and they were removed

[grizzled pasture]

Not yet

[tame current]

Why tho? I feel like it's fairly common to know about it now... Maybe put a spoiler on the survivor page idk

[old summit]

It’s only well known on here

[tame current]

There's like 20 yt vids about it

If you've googled risk of rain returns once and then open YouTube it'll be top result

That's how I found it

[graceful sun]

given that robomando is a secret character and it's only been less than a week since the game came out, it's understandable to not reveal the secret on the wiki

[old summit]

That’s also probably your algorithm, I just tested on mine and the first video to reference him is the 6th and then it’s not shown again until the 19th

[honest slate]

Maybe they could have their own wiki page, but not be featured on the survivors page directly?

[old summit]

That’s what I’ve been debating doing but also because he doesn’t have a log there’s a lot of things that wouldn’t go on there

But it would still invite people to link it on the main survivor page because they’d guess it’s missing

[honest slate]

Yeah, that’s all true. Didn’t think about that

[hasty merlin]

What would happen if the the secret character had ancient sceptre?

[bitter finch]

Its special ability will be upgraded

[hasty merlin]

But how would you upgrade it

[bitter finch]

With the ancient sceptre

[hasty merlin]

as in, what could be done to make it better

if you know the ability, how could it be buffed

[tame current]

I personally think that revealing secrets is like... The main point of a game wiki, even more so in roguelikes

[bitter finch]

Synergy with items

[old summit]

There’s still a ton of content to work on (not all of the providence trials have pages yet) but the secrets will be on there eventually

[low veldt]

the closest comparison i can think about is the lost and that was on the isaac wiki within five days of release

and that was about as soon as people knew it existed

[graceful sun]

the ancient scepter ability makes it so theres a chance the hacked thing gets duplicated iirc

[keen mulch]

I see it was decided to add robomando to the wiki

[old summit]

Be prepared for upset admin when they wake up

[keen mulch]

So it wasn't a group decision, just someone deciding to do it their own I see

Aight, I'll refrain from adding robomando portraits and stuff

[old summit]

Probably worth waiting till gummy is on

[keen mulch]

Robomando has also been added to the survivors page

Should we delete that for now?