Red Faction: Underground

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so uh

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uh so

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parker looks stupid as hell

but parker legitimately does look stupid as hell

so this might fit lmao

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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OKAY HOLD UP

this is meme quality

even better.

Man, I wouldn't get this quality if I was asking for stupid faces

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AHAIUFHTGAPIHGAPIHGA

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nailed it

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HAHAHAHAAH

this is reminding me of an actor but idk who

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i like it tbh

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yah

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only question I have is like

is it suitable because Parker is so damn stupid? This shot is far more epic than Parker probably deserves lol

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fair but idk

XD

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Could use it for Angus and use this for parker

i could deal with this

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idk in kava we never see angus out of a miner suit

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yeah thats why his face can look like basically whatever lol

there's no real "angus look"

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right but

in a suit

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well yeah but this red suit is just the miner jumpsuit

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yahyah

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presumably theyd all have the same one - all the miners in rf1 do

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yeah maybe im being fussy cuz when you meet him in KAVA its a miner suit 😛

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ahh ok

ya im not bothered by that 😛 We're taking liberties here anyway with some characters

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fair

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putting him in a different outfit isnt a concern

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i need more goofy parkers though

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i never actually sent this one but god its good

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XDDDD

HES SO DORKY

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kava is white actually

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eh, doesn't have to be, never see her face in any official media (no official media even confirms her gender lol)

I did balance the colours a bit better though

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yeah but you went to effort to reshade the masako face a bit

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ehhh true hm

what do we think about having part of the wanted poster visible here?

I kinda like it personally

helps emphasize that he's a friendly Ultor guy

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im fine with it haha

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I wasnt happy with hendrix before lol

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me neither

im glad u swapped it 😛

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what is that arm doing 😂

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I figure she's leaning on the hole in the wall, and the other arm uhh... in a pocket maybe

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although funnily enough the small nclicked version looks hyper HD haha

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if you're happy you're happy

i was just confued at first XD

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now time for 9 creatures lol

well 8, the alien queen from before is good

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oh shes great

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oh wow

i mean i liked the original

but wow

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i love this one

it's badass

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yah

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so here's a question

this doesnt really look much like an actual reeper

but does that matter lol

the reepers in RF are super, SUPER low poly

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did u send it the hidden reference

of them in the tram tunnel

😂

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yes lol

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😂

i mean idrc

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but do you think it would make sense

for the game

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I mean - can you try and get a better img?

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ok jumpscare much

hm

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this showed up on google when looking for reeper images

Who in the actual fuck would order this on a cake

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AINT NO WAY HAHAHA

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hm yeah they are more like animals and less like monsters

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honestly i was just trying to get more ref for you

😭

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yeah ik

again not very close to what we want

This does look cool as hell though lol

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lmfao

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this might be close enough to one of the 4-legged RF:A creatures tbh

will have to look at them again

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hahahahahaha

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this is... surreal looking

it looks like it could be an enemy in RF, it's just not one that currently exists lol

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lmfao right

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nah I got it

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honestly they are good

i do kinda like the first one

😂

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:p

these fit the game i think

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coool

why is boo fighting it though

😂

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LOL

he has a death wish

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https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-monsters-inc-movie-movie-monsters-inc-boo-boo-monsters-inc-gif-17285126255926631867

^ boo

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berserker should have more green no?

oh, no

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green? O.o

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yeah

nvm me

😄

its his attack

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they all kinda have this red glow

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its a green ball

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ahh ok

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ignore me 😄

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trying to decide if ravager is close

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JESUS FUCK

i don't think this is how you hold a hammer

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i thought that was a gun lol

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SO DID I INITIALLY

but the more i looked i realised

is my dude an RE Licker

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idk

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seems to dark to tell what it is really

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yeah i dont like it

this looks good but idk if I like it more than the original pixelated one hm

anyway im gonna sleep, will regroup tomorrow 😛 all 50 characters now have renders

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i actually do prefer this one

darius does ruin it a little

but yeah get sleep, atleast they are done!

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I love this

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Darius sitting down v a ravager 😂

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these are all the creatures currently

im unsure on ravager and berserker

the others I think are solid tho

[tepid laurel]

Yeah I agree, those two don't look right

The behemoth especially

I think Intharth is right, it should have the green

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behemoth? I think behemoth is awesome 😛 berserker is the one I think is bad

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Oops yeah lol my b

Behemoth is sick

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it really nailed the general look of the behemoth

and the creeper tbh

[tepid laurel]

Wraith is my favourite tbh

Really captures the nightmare vibes

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its real nice

yeah

[tepid laurel]

I think the beserker would be fine with the green glow

And the ravager just looks weird with Darius like that

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bjYdwLmbS-Z73rnq2hYtYxOADPi-neG9kAUEOySUByM/edit?gid=704450884

Oh also I have nano enhancement text drafted, the ones in red though the names dont fit so those need new names

[tepid laurel]

Juggernaut doesn't fit?

Oh it's there twice

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oh yeah, i robbed it for one that has a less fitting name lol

[tepid laurel]

Valid

Natural Armour could be Thick Skin?

Or like, Tough Hide

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that doesnt really fit the effect though

nano enhancements are like enchant creature in magic if youve played

they go on a character and change some aspect of that character

[tepid laurel]

Ah okay

So what does Natural Armour do? It doesn't make sense to me

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so the one currently named natural armour, when it goes on a character, instead of whatever types that character would normally have, it has all character types

gryphon for example is Support

[tepid laurel]

Ohh okay

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If Natural Armour were played and attached to Gryphon, instead of Support, he would be Support, Creature, Soldier, and Leader

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Hm

Adaptation?

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and then stuff like this cares about those

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Chameleon

Camouflage

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I like adaptation

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Darwinism

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the other 2 would fit for a creature but im trying to make names that at least somewhat make sense no matter which character its played to :p

[tepid laurel]

Okay

Stopping Power does what exactly?

(idk what change to ultor means)

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for example, Kobel attacks RF

that card would change it so he attacks Ultor instead of RF

and that is used when deciding which base a character attacks

[tepid laurel]

Oh okay

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a character that attacks Ultor for example, would attack the base with the highest number of Ultor rooms

[tepid laurel]

Hmmm okay

Science kit

Lab coat

Ultor Keycard

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but this is attacking ultor 😛

not being part of ultor

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OH

Now I see

Hmm what's anti ultor

Flamethrower 😛

Breach charges

Damn this is hard

Capeks Folly

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even harder to make it sound like something in the same ballpark as a nano enhancement :p

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Yeah

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most of the names I've been using have come from rfg/rfa upgrades

because thats easiest lol

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Impact could work

Breaker

Breacher

Smasher

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yeah let's go with Breach

I think these all make some kind of sense now?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bjYdwLmbS-Z73rnq2hYtYxOADPi-neG9kAUEOySUByM/edit?gid=704450884

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Yeah I like them

No shell though 💔

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shell is moreso an attack id think 😛

then again so is barrage 🤷

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Nah shell is defensive

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fair enough

though characters dont really defend in this game :p

the rooms are the only defense :p

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Yeah I just like shell lol

And shockwave is cool too

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shockwave probably actually fits better for the one named tremor currently

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Ooh

More RFA is always the answer

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this is the template I was thinking for actions - my thought being that characters, actions, and nano enhancements should have a similar card layout because those are the cards you will draw from the deck into your hand

theyre shuffled together

[tepid laurel]

Yeah that looks good

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planning to differentiate them with colours

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Yeah that sounds like a good idea

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yellow = character
blue = event
red = interrupt/trap
purple = nano enhancement

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I'd do nano as blue personally

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when is nano blue? 😮

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RFA

Lol

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actually wait, it's purple in RF1, blue in RFA, and yellow/orange in RF:G

so there's no real standard anyway lol

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Wait

Is Capeks shield the nano forge...?

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I think I'd prefer purple though because Capek's nanotech shield is by far the most visible instance of nanotechnology

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the nano forge was never a concept in RF1

though I mean, it would probably make sense to imagine

since Masako later has the same shield, and how the hell would she have it otherwise

[tepid laurel]

Damn that's pretty cool

Never even thought about nanotech in RF1 lol

Is there any in rf2?

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yes, the squad is all nano enhanced super soldiers

thats the plot of the story :p

[tepid laurel]

Correct, yes I did know that

😂😂😂

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sopot was using nanotech to enhance soldiers, the squad became awesome from it and the rest of the subjects became braindead or something

so i guess in RF2 nanotech is also yellow lol

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Is that why repta is stupid?

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uh

i think he's just an idiot

it is why he glows and shit later though

[tepid laurel]

Ah okay

Man I do not remember rf2 very well

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i didnt either until i watched this that intharth linked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PojgW2ETnPE

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😂😂

The only thing I remember really is that stupid sewer section

Oh and a graveyard

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Playtime is over Alias

Lets turn up the juice

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this is way better

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Fk yeah it is!

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got one im happy with

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Yeah that's 10x better

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always hated those guys when they explode

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replaced Reactor Core with Space Station, since it matches the types of locations used for all of the other "rooms"

admittedly "room" isn't agreat descriptor for these locations... but eh, from a gameplay perspective it gets the point across well

wasnt happy with this one before either

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Yeah these are incredible

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see whats what i mean about the green XD

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yeah :p

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i love both those images

i know ref for the nanoe-elite are like super low

but god damn

it got my accidental purple glow 🥲

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:p

if I'm making the nano enhancement cards purple, I'm keeping the nano = purple theme going :p

for consistency in the game

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THANK YOU

it royally pisses me off that it went white

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the nano elite glow red and it doesnt make any sense

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and blue

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yeah idk, RF designers just made nano mean "glow some colour" lol

I tend to lean to purple because it was purple in the first entry in the series

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well consistency was never their strong suit

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but it should be consistent

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yeah capeks shield is the players first intro to "nano-tech"

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yeah

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AND NO PEOPLE

THIS ISN'T INTH LIKE PURPLE

I genuinely prefer it as the theme

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i think purple makes more sense for nanotech tbh - though I might just be saying that due to experience with RF1 lol

🤷 it fits to me, and I think it would fit for anyone with the first game as reference

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nah purple has always meant voidy/demony tech stuff to me

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messed with the colour balancing some

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by which you mean you nuked the purple and somehow got brown

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that card having a blue hue is a disservice smh

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that's very true lol

You know... hang on

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XD

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it became an interrupt

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also here

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now that is a good cultish hale look

honestly good takes

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yeah

same scene reference too lol

that one highlights Hale more

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i still wonder for this if you couldn't get a better room of the ship in the bay

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yeah i think so

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according to official manual lore - nano-enhancement did decrease repta's IQ

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after the cards are all like, usable, I'm going to go back and fix up any art that just looks bad

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but he was alwaysa a a madman

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helps to have fresh eyes too

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thats more terrifying than the actual character image 😭

holy shit

jumpscare

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very hungry

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XD

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Hey look at that, the MASTers Expedition finally got art in something lol

afaik its only ever been referred to in text

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i love that we're dealing with just deadspace outfits

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Honestly, that could make a great horror game as an RF1 prequel lol

you play as Capek

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yeah

i theorised it at one point

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it's a solid story

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one sec

"Capek mod" - basically MASTers

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yeah i remember discussing it

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we do need more communite extended stuff

its just effort to get us all to do it

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should be able to finish the card images by the end of the week

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i forget which mission header that is

is it RF:A or RF:G

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A i think

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OH

RIGHT YEAH

thats the uh

lava boat

hell yea

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its the same scene again but I think it differs enough

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bro's starting to get a little

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-smile-creepy-creepy-smile-smirk-gif-24584761

this fuck

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had a minute earlier

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^_^

what ref did u give that

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nothing directly

I had given it a bunch of other scenes for other art (so it had other reference) but for this one I just described the scene

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ah xD

[tepid laurel]

Ooh that's cool

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thought it was neat to have "Welcome to Mars" (which is the name of the RF:G training mission) use the art from literally the first image of Mars from the first cinematic in the first game lol

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i mean, is that the first cinematic shot? 😝

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well, other than the image of the cargo ship approaching the planet

this

then this

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^ thats the one i was thinking of i guesss

is that the ref?

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wider version of the shot but yeah

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gotcha

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trying something different with this shot, want to set it apart from the other Hale shots

actually, looks a bit nicer without the cultists facing the camera

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oh yah

[tepid laurel]

Yes yes yes

[tepid laurel]

Hmm idk how I feel about that one

Not sure if it fits the tone

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"return that character to the barracks" ?

[livid mural]

I kinda thought the same, but it does fit the tone of the actual mutants in the game I think lol. But they always did seem a little goofy

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hmmm... I was using "put" as a generic term to talk about characters being moved between zones. examples here

I do like how "return that character to the barracks" sounds specifically for that route, just not sure if it makes sense to use a different term there vs. everywhere else. Hmmm

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maybe?

[tepid laurel]

That's a bit better

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bjYdwLmbS-Z73rnq2hYtYxOADPi-neG9kAUEOySUByM/edit?gid=983846766

THought some more about it, you're totally right, return sounds better than put here. I updated all the actions, now return refers to the character being put back to a place it would have come from, and move is used otherwise (like moving forcefully moving from the barracks to the entrance of a base) Thanks! 🙂

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need to update the images but im going to get all the art done first and then do that in my last pass before calling them done (I also want to tweak some art that didnt really meet the bar)

[uncut wagon]

Now that I have some free time, I'd love to test out Underground and Top Trumps.

[livid mural]

Man I have way too much shit going on lol

but I just remembered that I never did finish up the last like... half dozen(?) cards needed for this to be a playable project. Reopening the thread to remind myself to do that in the next few days. I'm eager to close the book on this project but I want to leave it in a playable state

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holy shit i forgot about this

lol

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from a quick scan of my project folder, I had all 48 rooms done, all 50 characters done, all 13 events done, 12/19 interrupts done, and 0/18 nano enhancements done. So 25 cards left to go. Shouldn't be a huge lift within a few weeks

and the rulebook is effectively done, pending some editing

Or rather, the information in the rulebook is accurate, and chatgpt will take it and put it in the correct format for me

lol im honestly really happy with the way most of these came out

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i love the design haha

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huge REDRUM vibes here lol

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😛

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yeah I forgot how much I liked these designs lol

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they are neat!

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the glare

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he do be hatin

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lmao holy crap. I did not ask for this, but I am impressed lol

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motherfuckers launching out of a dimensional wall to stab you with a light sabre in his own statue

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his aim is also very bad

I mean come on, he's <20ft from that guy and he still missed

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i mean he still tried and ill take that threat

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now just the nano enhancements left

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(idk about the art, it's hilarious but not quite on-theme)

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got a monkey in a suit for you parker, pick it up and keep it with you, its the only way you'l reach gryphon

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decided it made sense to have a consistent art style for the nano enhancements, because it's very valuable to be able to, at a glance, tell these apart from both events/interrupts and characters

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https://gooberrf.github.io/rf_underground/

👀 It's effectively ready for play now. Only remaining work before I can get a copy printed for myself is to make images for the back side of both decks

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card backs

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3653704672

Playable now on tabletop simulator

(if someone could test it out and confirm it works properly, that would certainly be appreciated :p )

[tepid laurel]

Yooo Goober Games on TTS!?!? Count me in. I'll look at that tonight

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found someone else who forgot

[waxen pelican]

took my time to admire each card out of the entire collection even tho i have no fucking clue how this game plays (even with instructions seem hard at first) but they all look gorgeous.

[livid mural]

if anyone has tabletop simulator and wants to try it out sometime on voice chat, I'm down :p

[tepid laurel]

I'd be down for that a bit later on

[tepid laurel]

These cards look sick

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👀

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had a few games with a friend via tabletop simulator 👀

super impressed with how it played, and my friend was too

Made 1 rules change while we were playing though, which made it play way better