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#Red Faction Top Trumps
paper galleon
i told them for the actual pack i want the black border
nono i want the black border
pure oracle
yeah of course, i just mean the rounding on the corner is a much steeper curve than the rounding on your image
paper galleon
oh right yeah
i told them i want the black border
so ill put a random colour behind it so they know how it cuts
the question i have @pure oracle
i did ask for a double side set
so
what can i put on the back of the cards
is the RF1 logo a bit cliché here
pure oracle
what can i put on the back of the cards
For most card games you'd design a consistent back for each card
Maybe some up with some design?
paper galleon
well it would be 1
i just mean
is the RF1 logo a bit cliché for something like this
the 
pure oracle
Ehh idk if I'd say it's cliche, but you definitely need something more involved than just the logo :p
pure oracle
I guess you could use the demo-gameover.tga image from UI.vpp
Personally I'd do something more involved though, idk
Either way you'll want to add a black border to it which matches the front
paper galleon
yeah id just stick it inside the black border
paper galleon
i mean tbf i would just run it with this
idk what id do more involved
use the font and write RFTT on the back of it?
pure oracle
idk that id use the same font
but some sort of logo probably wouldnt be a terribleidea
or you could also keep it simple and just extend the red grunge pattern on that so it fits
paper galleon
mmmmmm
paper galleon
looking at the card some more - the stat icons turned out really well on print
idk though hm
a bit stretched unfort hm
paper galleon
@velvet pelican
velvet pelican
Nice. I'll check it out this eve
paper galleon
👍
paper galleon
O_o
velvet pelican
<@195587317631549441> doesn't wanna proof read me bro 😭
I will
Just had to redecorate
paper galleon
velvet pelican
Dot after E.D.S. on Alec
velvet pelican
Ahem
velvet pelican
And a space
velvet pelican
I'd change that to nanotech-enhanced like on Alias' card
paper galleon
i think its fine to have them be interchangable?
technically its just nomenclature right
velvet pelican
Yeah that's probably fine it's just consistency
paper galleon
😭
velvet pelican
E.D.S.
paper galleon
😠
im gonna be copy pasting dots all over the fucking place
i guess i fixed them on RF:O' ones
my bad
pure oracle
do you have these blurbs in a spreadsheet? if so, would make it easier perhaps to just update it all there and then just do a bunch of copypasting?
paper galleon
i got em in GIMP text form
they are getting copy pasted
trust 
@velvet pelican
idk how the double space happened its not there in the original but ye
velvet pelican
nice
paper galleon
trying to fill the space better hm
velvet pelican
looks better before
velvet pelican
Just looks neater imo
paper galleon
😩
paper galleon
hm
velvet pelican
Should be all good after that
paper galleon
velvet pelican
Yah
velvet pelican
Yeah fair
paper galleon
@velvet pelican one last time 
and please i know you just looked at them all but i need a full clear on all 38 😂
which leaves me with this
paper galleon
how do i extend the pattern
pure oracle
Ai
velvet pelican
Needs a thicker border too
pure oracle
Uhhhh that should be thicker too no?
velvet pelican
It should be thicker on the back though
velvet pelican
Uhhhh that should be thicker too no?
Shhh don't tell him that
paper galleon
Uhhhh that should be thicker too no?
im chilling with the thin black border it is just a border
but i can make it on the back thicker i guess
pure oracle
im chilling with the thin black border it is just a border
Aren't you going to match the rounding of the corner with the border on the card though? 😮
paper galleon
its the exact same
pure oracle
So at that point why not just put the black directly to the edge of the image in case the cut isn't exact? (Bleed)
velvet pelican
With there being so much less detail on the back, I'd say a bigger border would be better
Plus it'd look more playing card like
paper galleon
start with a back and try to fill it in ig
velvet pelican
<@195587317631549441> one last time <:Prayge:870994556185894923>
All good me thinks
paper galleon
My point is why the transparent border 😮
i don't understand what you mean
paper galleon
All good me thinks
you read all of em?
velvet pelican
you read all of em?
Yeah
pure oracle
Your image has a transparent edge? The checkerboard
Why not just make all of that black
pure oracle
Not bad but maybe touch up the top?
pure oracle
because where would i put the image? 😭
In the middle? 😮 I'm saying the transparent edge on the outside of the card
Should just be black?
pure oracle
Because when it's printed you want the cut on the edges of the card to always mean the border turns out black, and if the edge isn't black (ie. Bleed), depending on how precise the cut is, you might end up with the cut happening in the area that is not black in your image
pure oracle
I'm confused as to why your printer is putting a border at all? (And based on your photo it doesn't seem like they are?)
paper galleon
what?
somethings getting lost in translation here im very confused
this black border is the border
pure oracle
https://smartprintingcompany.co.uk/what-is-print-bleed/
This is what a bleed is
paper galleon
yeah i know and i spoke to them and they said they can do it without me needing to add anything to the image
pure oracle
Uhhhhh, I guess they're putting a black background behind every one of your images?
pure oracle
When you cut an image printed on paper, you'll basically never cut exactly on the line, so you add a margin (bleed) to the edge of your image so it's safe to cut anywhere within that range without ending up seeing the white of the paper... I guess they're printing a black background behind your image to avoid that?? I have never heard of a printer doing that but I guess they could
paper galleon
why would they need to do that my image had a black border and thats what they cut around?
pure oracle
Like I said, when you cut a print on paper it's basically impossible to always cut exactly on the line, so you need a bleed/margin/allowance so that if the cut varies very slightly you won't see the colour of the paper on the edge of your cut
paper galleon
which is basically why im sending a background so they cut the black border itself
pure oracle
Ohhh, I think the confusion is coming from the thought that the printer is relying on the placement of your border to know where to cut
paper galleon
no i want the black border
pure oracle
If this is a commercial printer (it is right?) they're doing this with measurements and a guillotine cutter or something, they shouldn't need a guide on where your border is (and given what they did to your corners before, not matching the same shape of your rounded corner, they're definitely not using your border to know where to cut)
paper galleon
which is why im just gonna send them all with this pink background so they can see the black
pure oracle
But I mean, I guess if the printer is fine filling in the background with black and having images with a transparent edge, go with it - it's just... a really odd way for a printer to want images 😮
But hey if it works go with it haha
paper galleon
the only reason they cout off the black i think is probably just a them issue
I told the guy when i picked it up
i was like yeah i want the black to be on the corners that cut off
so he said just make it clear in the email and i said should i put a colour behind them so that they know what to do and he said yeah it'd be fine
also can you do chat gpt i swear to god it will not improve the top
pure oracle
I'm eating supper rn but when I'm finished sure I can try to extend it for you
That's demo-gameover.tga right?
paper galleon
yah
ill be asleep likely but id appreciate it
also id love to bring the border further in but idk how to
like i can't scale it
i can't draw it thicker
i can't scale it without fucking with its size
pure oracle
Does gimp have a stroke feature?
I'd put a stroke on the inside of it in Photoshop, I'm thinking gimp has a similar feature
pure oracle
@paper galleon how's this?
fwiw firefly AI (Adobe's AI built into Photoshop) honestly works super well for stuff like this lol
paper galleon
probably much better lol
velvet pelican
I agree with Goober, you should just make the background black
Especially if you get 38 cards printed. It means that the cut doesn't have to be 100% perfect every single time because there's room for error which will still make the card look good
paper galleon
can you just trust that i spoke to the people printing 😩
velvet pelican
I'm sure you did, and I'm sure they said things back. But it would make more sense and reduce the risk of having any unwanted white bits on your card 🤷♂️
It'd be a lot easier for them to round the corners as well, so it wouldn't end up like the one you got done
Just my 0.02$
pure oracle
for reference on what I mean
this is what a card from my game Extinction looks like when printed
rounded corners, black border
this is the image I sent to the printer
velvet pelican
Yeah I 100% agree
The printer can then just cut it much easier
Less room for error
And if you've already got that pink background, just make it black
And give them the dims you want it to be
pure oracle
it has a very thick black border which goes to the edge of the image. The printer cuts the corner somewhere in the middle of that black, 0 room for error and I'm not relying on the printer for anything other than cutting the card to the correct size (which they have no choice but to do)
velvet pelican
it has a very thick black border which goes to the edge of the image. The printe...
Yeah exactly. Black background and say "I want a 5x6 card" (or whatever it is)
velvet pelican
Much easier than a "cut to this tiny little line"
Especially on 38 cards
I'd argue that's why the first print didn't have the rounded corner correctly. Because there's not enough thickness on the corner for the resolution of their cutting abilities
But ofc, I don't know for sure
pure oracle
but i mean, if it works with your printer the way you're doing it... that's fine I guess? It's just, if you're putting a colour border anyway, you're not saving any time, and using any colour other than black is just creating room for stuff to get messed up for literally no benefit
velvet pelican
Yess, plus a thicker border looks nice in my personal opinion
velvet pelican
this is what a card from my game Extinction looks like when printed
Like this
pure oracle
just to make it totally clear, this is the proofing overlay for a poker card overlaid on my image
the proofing overlay raw
velvet pelican
Damn bro flexing his spot on design 😂😂
pure oracle
this shows the border that is to be cut (red), and everything in the red shading beyond that is bleed. The dotted line is the "safe zone" - ie. the zone where the cut will never under any circumstances interfere, so that's where the content you need goes
velvet pelican
I never knew you had such an in depth knowledge of playing cards and I'm totally here for it
If I ever make a card game, Goober Inc will be on payroll as a consultant 😂
naive harbor
fwiw firefly AI (Adobe's AI built into Photoshop) honestly works super well for ...
Can Firefly only manipulate existing images you give it? It came up on a list of best AI image generators but the features list sounds like it just helps with images you already have
pure oracle
Can Firefly only manipulate existing images you give it? It came up on a list of...
nah it can create net new too
you can interact with it in different ways but the most common way is to select an area and use "generative fill"
You give it a description of what you want in that area and it makes it
in this instance I selected the blank areas above and below the image, and slight overlap onto the image so it can see the pattern, and asked for it to extend to fill the area using the same pattern
it does a pretty good job. Some manual tweaking after makes it look a lot nicer though. I spent a few mins tweaking the one I sent above using the patch tool
naive harbor
@pure oracle oh, thanks. it is very good. limited free use but it made this (i have a thing for vampires)
pure oracle
with the strechted image lol
oh @paper galleon quickly while I think of it - did you find that in your test print, the card came out darker than you expected? I've found that with printing a lot of the time. Just wanted to mention that if that was the case, making the card back slightly brighter before sending to print might not be a bad idea 🙂
pure oracle
Ahh yeah
paper galleon
do i just blanket brighten or saturate
pure oracle
might be worth considering making the back slightly brighter to compensate, idk
I would just brighten
but only a bit, dont want it to look washed out when printed either :p
pure oracle
hm... i think i probably would if i were you, but idk if itd actually end up being necessary
I guess in an ideal world youd get test prints of each and compare but thats probably not worth the time+money here :p
also id suggest shifting the pattern to the right a bit so the logo is more centered in the border
its a bit closer to the left currently
pure oracle
in general I don't think upping the contrast would hurt, but I mean a good monitor is always going to have better colour depth than these prints regardless so it probably doesnt matter
pure oracle
i still wanna add my text on top but like 😭 idk
i mean you could definitely do that... IMO a different font would be nicer, but adding the text isnt a bad idea
pure oracle
should scale proportionally though so the logo doesnt get stretched out
but yeah that positioning looks way better imo
pure oracle
i mean just move it up half way 😛
but also if you want to put a logo up top, having more space at top vs bottom would be better anyway
paper galleon
probably fine ayo
pure oracle
that looks better for sure
paper galleon
the red was darker but like
i don't mind the uh
cards colour being darker
but y eah parker and the background
definitely dark compared
pure oracle
yeah
paper galleon
hm
can just brighten the character zone - cards darkness dm to much to me print wise
daring sluice
<@185856114506727434> oh, thanks. it is very good. limited free use but it made ...
hey greyestfox contact me - if u will ever find out how to become true vampire ... i dont want to buy those ebay starter kits
brighten up inthy
brighten up ya pissbutt
what a word that is
magnificent word
ik what my smurfnick for the next gn is going to be
naive harbor
that's funny you say that because I literally came across an ebay listing for a $50 wedding ring that implied buying it would mean you're married to a vampire. Ebay is wild.
daring sluice
vampires r sexy ngl
kinda scary kinda dodgy
pale is nice , was highly praised . status symbol
in eu/na culture its not bery big anymore
undead gamer tan
s tier
paper galleon
tomorrow im going to spend the day brightening the cards for print, and ill put black behind them all
ill specificy in the print email that i do want there to be a black border around the cards
pure oracle
nice man! 😄
paper galleon
bumped brightness/contrast on 90% of them
ok the white line was only there because of jake lmao
the one disadvantage im learning is with flashcard style the edges kinda fray quickly
but beggars can't be choosers i can't print an actual playing card "card" set because of IP
lol
thats why its important to have the black border 😄
pure oracle
looks better with a black border anyway tbh
but also it might be worth checking if this printer youre using does lamination
if it does, that might be worth considering
velvet pelican
Waheyy looks sick
paper galleon
Good news
the printer can laminate them
@velvet pelican so like
i know you already did a proof read
but
could you just double check everything?
velvet pelican
😂 I will tonight
paper galleon
I'd rather not amend anything (so if its fussy, its fine for me to leave, like Echo iirc)
but id like to be absolutely sure before i send the email
paper galleon
❤️
velvet pelican
@paper galleon all looks good to my eye
velvet pelican
Weak
velvet pelican
Yah
paper galleon
velvet pelican
Sick
velvet pelican
You're not sending them as a file with a front and back layer?
Idk what's standard for doing this. @pure oracle thoughts?
paper galleon
pure oracle
Idk what's standard for doing this. <@185856114506727434> thoughts?
Would depend entirely on the printer. Every printer I've ever used has just asked me to upload a bunch of images to a web portal. I've always used 320 or 450 ppi high res PNGs to avoid blurriness but nothing special really
Just don't use jpgs, that's always a bad idea due to compression
paper galleon
if it makes you feel better my png that i got printed has 0 blurriness
😛
its all pretty clear
velvet pelican
Just don't use jpgs, that's always a bad idea due to compression
Unless you like banding in your images 🙃
pure oracle
Unless you like banding in your images 🙃
Yeah, and if you do, you are certifiably insane 🙂
paper galleon
ok noted
Jpgs for wiki
png for everything else
thanks for deleting my words, hotmail 🙄
im pissed man
wtf limit
never had a limit issue before
velvet pelican
Use WeTransfer
paper galleon
whats that
velvet pelican
You upload your file to it and it generates a link that you can send to the recipient
paper galleon
isn't that just onedrive/googledrive?
velvet pelican
No, it's WeTransfer 😂
pure oracle
Not the same thing but for this purpose is similar. Just use Google drive tbh
pure oracle
thanks for deleting my words, hotmail 🙄
Isn't it in your sent items?
pure oracle
awesome dude!!
paper galleon
im happy enough
pure oracle
I do need to circle back and fix up the last few cards for my game, just thinking about it 😛 It's probably 90% done as-is
That's sick though! the borders turned out really nice too
how'd the back come out?
paper galleon
also cute fact
ehh
me to
its fine though
cute though
when they sealed them into their packet
they put them in colour order
which unbeknownst to them is game order
so that was cute XD
pure oracle
hahaha 😛