how to manually break spawn loops on mobile?

[manic turtle]

hi, i was wondering if theres a way to break spawn loops on mobile? kinda in need of this for a mechanic for a level!

i know spawn loops break due to lag, and i've figured a way to break them consistently on PC, but i'm worried that its impossible to manually lag the GD app on mobile!

[lethal radish]

Just put a lot of objects on screen at Once?

[manic turtle]

no can do, sadly, im thinking the player would have to manually break the spawn triggers using bugs / mechanics instead of just lagging intensely on mobile!

[tender blade]

You can either toggle a spawn trigger off or toggle whatever theyre activating off

[manic turtle]

ok let me rephrase the question

i want to have the Player be the one to break the spawn loops, for example, if you make a spawn loop to move a wall down, normally the level is impossible, but if you're on PC, you can click on the top bar(? i forgot what its called) of the GD app and it manually lags the game, thus breaking the spawn loop without any other triggers (stop trigger, toggle trigger, etc)

im wondering if theres any methods of manually lagging your GD app on mobile, or whether this is a PC only bug. because i want to use this as a mechanic in a level, but at the same time i'm also unsure if thats possible because i dont want to put the mechanic at the end of a genuine level incase its impossible on mobile

[woeful shuttle]

#1085289520691425401 message

This is discussed in the Loops guide

In the future please do read over the guides first since they’ll often answer the questions youre asking

[manic turtle]

? its a bit more niche than whats covered there.

[woeful shuttle]

You don’t need to use an inconsistent method like lag to break them

Because that’s going to depend on the player’s device

And trying to intentionally create lag can have unintended consequences

[manic turtle]

i wouldnt say its inconsistent, since i've found a consistent way to break them on PC

its just whether its possible on mobile

[woeful shuttle]

People with stronger devices will be able to do it much more consistently

With far less lag

[woeful shuttle]

In that case your question isnt “how do I break a spawn loop”, but “how do I lag people’s phones” right?

[manic turtle]

it wont be super intense lag. think of it like the player intentionally causing a small lagspike on an app.
the player should be able to manually stop the trigger by giving themselves a small lagspike by holding the top bar of the app.

i wouldnt have a toggle trigger that spontaneously makes 50 trillion objects appear to break it, the player would have to find out how to disable them!

[cerulean pike]

Hey .alterna., you just got to level 7!

[woeful shuttle]

Either way the question is different from the one which you put into the title of the post

I think you should send your current level to someone you know plays with a mobile device and use that to test it

[manic turtle]

i tried wording it the best i can

[manic turtle]

its a little more complex than that, its like... IDK if mobile players would neccesarily be able to discover a bug spontaneously that ive been trying to find, itd require a bit more experimenting to find out what makes the spawn loop break

[woeful shuttle]

So it’s not “does my method of breaking spawn loops by intentionally lagging the player work on mobile”, since you cant just get someone to playtest your gimmick on mobile?

Have you gotten someone to playtest your level using a mobile device yet?

If not, you need to do that first before speculating further

[manic turtle]

i can try? i dunno if mobile players would spontaneously find a bug that im searching for

[woeful shuttle]

As I said — at least verify that the method you currently found on PC does not work on mobile before asking

Do your due diligence, yk?

[manic turtle]

its just a case of finding a setup which does allow it to work on mobile

[manic turtle]

idk what this means 😭

[woeful shuttle]

Do your own research before asking around

[woeful shuttle]

Oh and by the way for this. Instead of dragging the windows bar (which wont even work on fullscreen!) have you tried using a Touch trigger to make the loop break?

-> -> loop breaks

[manic turtle]

i think having a "meta" or niche strategy in a level would be nice. like that one jamattack level (i forgot the name 😭 i dont keep up with levels) where you have to play with your audio off!

[woeful shuttle]

So you strictly want it to just be unique?

[manic turtle]

a little, yeah!

[woeful shuttle]

Well

This bug is being patched out in 2.2 from what I know

And upon watching the video, it also doesnt work for people who play on fullscreen or on mobile considering theres no way to drag windows around in either of those cases

If you want to be unique I would suggest finding some other means honestly

[manic turtle]

im thinking of just maybe commissioning someone to look into it, or atleast helping me brainstorm unique ideas that havent really been seen before

[woeful shuttle]

Id say consider checking out SCAMPER or the Ramsey method for making ideas: #1083453897848393799 message

[manic turtle]

maybe!

id have to think of all the super niche mechanics i know 😭

[woeful shuttle]

Btw

If youre trying to be unique I would suggest taking existing, known mechanics and using them in new ways

Because the more niche you are the higher the chance that the bugs get patched out, are unintuitive to use, or are just plain annoying for everyone

[manic turtle]

id have to think intensely for that! ^^

ty!

[woeful shuttle]

Np

[woeful shuttle]

Its worth it though if your goal is to make stuff that’s unique or just somewhat new

[manic turtle]

yeah!

what mechanics would you say have the most untapped potential?

[woeful shuttle]

Idk

When it comes to uniqueness I try to use commonly known mechanics in new ways

As opposed to limiting my entire search to what mechanics have nobody used

[manic turtle]

maybe, maybe!

[lethal radish]

Ok

[lethal radish]

You can just... un-fullscreen your window...

[lethal radish]

Um actually 🤓 (brb)

Gtg have lunch brb

[lethal radish]

No face reveals today lol

@woeful shuttle

I'm on Samsung btw

[woeful shuttle]

@lethal radish Please stop pinging me for this. Crcrr was the person who was interested, not me

[lethal radish]

Sry

[lethal radish]

I was just trying to disprove u

[cerulean pike]

Hey iburgerbrain, you just got to level 2!

[lethal radish]

When did I get to lvl 1 tf

[coarse carbon]

forcing players to do this is like forcing them to play on a lower refresh rate. playing on fullscreen has a positive effect on input delay. This means that having people go out of fullscreen has a negative effect on their performance.

[oblique egret]

You can use touch triggered or spawn triggered stop triggers to stop a spawn loop

[lethal radish]

Eh

[upper nebula]

any user can manually break spawn loops if they suddenly drop frames (assuming that a spawn loop has a delay), or you can use a stop trigger on any spawn trigger in the loop to stop it.

[upper nebula]

I do not recommend having toggle off to stop because the spawn loop will still activate until its iteration is done if that makes sense

using a stop trigger instead will deactivate the loop immediately

[tender blade]

ive been doing it wrong this whole time 💀

[upper nebula]

question is, why would you want to go for this route. Intentionally making your level unoptimized for a gimmick seems impractical. Instead have either touch trig (dual mode) or collision trig, both triggers with respect to each player to activate a stop trigger.

[upper nebula]

nvm I misunderstood

Im not entirely sure whether window pausing would break spawn loops. Remember that spawn loops and spawn triggers rely on the in-game time, whereas collision looping and frame looping relies on in-game frames. If this bug drops any frames at all, I think perhaps its more consistent to do frame looping to detect an absurd amount of lag instead of spawn loops, but thats just my guess.

[ivory jackal]

You've been doing it right if you want to avoid stop id swap

That's about it

Otherwise stop triggers are better in every way

[tender blade]

🥖

[ivory jackal]

Why French bread

[tender blade]

Baguette