The Toya Discussion

[pearl bronze]

Shoto is considering it

[pine lantern]

well you are right but that dabi do it there if it looks difficult, maybe impossible

and shoto is different because he has already overcome it because he saw that his father is trying to change

[pearl bronze]

Oh Dabi forgiving Endeavor? I mean not impossible I guess

[brazen glen]

new discussion

[dull flint]

wdym

this is still the toya discussion

[brazen glen]

yea change it

[pearl bronze]

no has to be toya related

[brazen glen]

rename discussion?

bc dead channel

[pearl bronze]

maybe

[sharp jetty]

The thread gets archived after 24 hours of inactivity. If you don't like it just don't use it

[pearl bronze]

so its 24 hours. nice to know

[brazen glen]

so does this discussion reset the timer

or no since we arent talking about the topic

[sharp jetty]

I don't think the system is smart enough to automatically detect if a particular discussion actually pertains to the purpose of the thread

So any activity counts

[brazen glen]

oof

didnt know it was a bot

[deep jay]

so basically any other channel

manga channel is only 'really' active once new ch is released

otherwise, it's normally calm and peaceful

[sonic stirrup]

relatively peaceful

[brazen glen]

*deader than midnights corpse

[dull flint]

[polar raptor]

Exactly

Oh really

Not at all

[deep jay]

dabi da best

[brazen glen]

Straight cap

[spiral jolt]

cap

[pearl bronze]

[dull flint]

[polar raptor]

It's that easy but people always try to look deeper into it for no reason and try to find a way to push the Blame to enji

[polar raptor]

Biggest cap located

[pearl bronze]

"Wrong way to put out a fire"

aka Enji didnt do it right

[polar raptor]

Yes he didn't do it right no one's arguing that but not everything is on him.

[pearl bronze]

I guess depends on what your blaming them on

Toya not handling his quirk well and burning up is on Endeavor
Toya killing 30 people is on Dabi

[polar raptor]

Um

That's not how i'm Blaming it
Sure for the second one but not entirely for the first one

[sonic stirrup]

The wording makes it sound worse than it is

[deep jay]

it kinda is

[polar raptor]

Bruh

[spiral jolt]

that dude is a dabi simp

[polar raptor]

For real

[pearl bronze]

first one reworded:Endeavor is responsible on how Toya handled his quirk, from not teaching him to regulate his fire to Toyas emotions building up to when he burned to death (allegedly)

[deep jay]

hes his FATHER

i mean take irl, the amount of responsibilities a dad needs to have to properly upbring their children

now x10 in the bnha world where good become sgreat and bad becomes worse

due to quirks making life even more harder

we also see this in that bakugo nad todoroki support studies with the children. the caretaker literally said these children require crucial guidance and proper upbringing at that stage

[spiral jolt]

You do realize how hard it is to bring up kids?

mainly even more with kids that have superpowers?

[deep jay]

and there was soemthign about children being uncontrollable or something im sorry but i forgot,

in that very ep

thats....the point im trying to make

[brazen glen]

why cant we just not send messages so this chat can die

how do we even make a new thread

[pseudo stirrup]

Don't post for 24 hours

Or leave thread

[deep jay]

the thread stays

[thorny sedge]

oya

[brazen glen]

Looks like it's another day of trashing endeavour and not giving any blame to dabi

Splendid

Dabi is a saint, an unfortunate one raised by a demon

[pearl bronze]

Who said that

[brazen glen]

I did

Dabi is infallible incorruptible

Oh you mean before, yeah just scroll up

[deep jay]

well it is #888552189482643496 and not #the enji discussion

[spiral jolt]

We get your a dabi simp, no need to throw that in there

[deep jay]

[deep jay]

is that the only throw back people have

[spiral jolt]

you know it's true though

[copper stirrup]

Should be the todoroki discussion

[spiral jolt]

literally

[copper stirrup]

We should have a mini chat for every subplot

[solid zenith]

the toya discussion?

is this another chance for me to remind that his stats are trash

garbage

[spiral jolt]

LMAO

his stats suck

he gonna get destroyed by endeavor etc

[dull flint]

why tf is his mysteriousness maxed lmfao

[pearl bronze]

cause hes a Todoroki

[sonic stirrup]

This was before his reveal so...

[solid zenith]

smells like loser to me!!!!!!

[copper stirrup]

dabi has always been weaksauce is this a surprise

[vernal ore]

Endeavor has an S+ in power and Dabi has a B yet Dabi has more firepower and his more powerful than Endeavor

Make it make sense

[spiral jolt]

Yet Dabi burns more easily and can't hold his quirk up for long

[pseudo stirrup]

The stats aren't meant for comparison

it's their scale to what they could be

If its high then they've alr reached ceiling if its low then they aren't using it to max

[still parrot]

that's because he was born with a body that can withstand ice, not fire

[humble cipher]

they said he smelled like burnt flesh

i just imagine burned toast istg idk whats wrong with me

[still parrot]

Well they're not wrong considering how his body was built to withstand the wrong element

[brazen glen]

Idk if Dabi has more firepower it's just that his flames are stronger

Like it takes less for him to output flames of that magnitude

But it hits a cap cause of his own limits

Tbh idk man it's kinda dumb

[pearl bronze]

We haven't had a proper Endeavor v Dabi for a reason

Not like it matters since Endeavor doesn't want to hurt Dabi anyway

[vernal ore]

[vernal ore]

More firepower is not what makes his flames stronger :/

[pearl bronze]

More heat / hotter flames

[sonic stirrup]

If dabi had zero restrictions and his quirk wasn't slowly killing him then yeah

But he does, so comparing him to endeavor is kinda hard unless on paper

Can't use gifs here for some reason so imagine the scene in heroes rising where endeavor burns the truck down

[vernal ore]

Weaknesses doesn’t cancel out power

[spiral jolt]

they do

[vernal ore]

Like yeah Dabi is weaker to fire but he’s still more powerful than Endeavor

[spiral jolt]

thtas kinda how weaknesses work

[sonic stirrup]

I'm just saying, if he always uses max output, he's screwing himself in terms of longevity, so he more than likely always holds back

[vernal ore]

He isn’t always using max output

[sonic stirrup]

Thats what I mean, so getting a good sense of his power is harder

[pearl bronze]

Yeah heroes rising Endy v Dabi. Dabi lost

Dabi using prominence burn is almost suicide sometimes. Jet burn caused bad damage

[deep jay]

so realistically speaking, dabi has no chance of killing enji and surviving. so the only path is is him taking enji down with him

[spiral jolt]

Which would be unlikely

Considering dabi would likely kill himself trying to take down enji

and fail

at killing enji

[pearl bronze]

Idk if Dabi can use Prominence burn and survive...
He has used Hell curtain, and flight that enji uses
Also flames hot enough to melt Best Jeanist wires

Like this is after jet burn the injuries he got

[winter token]

Doubt

If dabi hits enji with a prominence burn they arent surviving

[solid zenith]

PLEASE

[polar raptor]

Yea was just born blessed

Other than that, Lmao

[vernal ore]

He’s still more powerful than Endeavor BUT he has more of a weakness than Endeavor

[polar raptor]

I think it's better to say he has a stronger quirk than endeavor because saying He is more powerful that endeavor seems very odd out of context, I know you might think that's the same thing but as stats it's not

[vernal ore]

Fiend just said the stats are based off of potential and if you’ve reached it

So stats don’t equate to who’s more powerful

[spiral jolt]

for comprassion

Dabi sucks

even shoto is better than dabi

[polar raptor]

For real

[polar raptor]

Way better*

[deep jay]

yh, i mean is it really not that OBVIOUS

[brazen glen]

Fr

[plucky jewel]

[sonic stirrup]

Dead thread

[plucky jewel]

next dabi chapter shall revive it

[brazen glen]

Yeah

[solemn stream]

dabi

[plucky jewel]

trash

[solemn stream]

no

[sonic stirrup]

Garbage

[solemn stream]

no

dabi solos mha verse

[sonic stirrup]

Peepee poopoo character

[solemn stream]

no

actually yes

bad character

[sonic stirrup]

🤝

[pearl bronze]

Best villain

[deep jay]

ITS BACK!!!!!

[deep jay]

📠

[solemn stream]

So toya am I right

[plucky jewel]

no

[solemn stream]

Bruh

[plucky jewel]

its trash

[solemn stream]

So trash am I right

[deep jay]

[brazen glen]

It has begun once more

[solemn stream]

Who keeps trying to post

[brazen glen]

Me

It seems GIFs keep getting yeeted

[solemn stream]

Damn

[stoic jay]

!!filter ignore url

[tough wren]

Success, ignored url filters for The Toya Discussion

[brazen glen]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-gif-20036370

Yessir there we go

Thanks

It's all endeavours fault

[dull flint]

yes yes

[brazen glen]

Dabi did nothing wrong

He is and always will be the victim

Any blood spilt and charred by Dabis hand automatically becomes endeavours

[dull flint]

no no

those were his decisions

endeavor thought he was dead

[brazen glen]

Endeavour abused him

So it's all his fault

His decisions don't matter

[dull flint]

not all of it but he played a major role

it does...?

[brazen glen]

It all becomes endeavours fault

[dull flint]

bruh how

[brazen glen]

Endeavour is a villianous monster

[dull flint]

not necessarily but ok

[brazen glen]

He abused Dabi so bad he became a psycho murderer

And now it's all his fault

[deep jay]

ye

HA HA HA

best quotes from dabi lets goo:

[pearl bronze]

fanscan

Poor Touya just wants to dance with his father since he never got to in his 15 birthday

[plucky jewel]

He also just wanted to give his little brother a warm hug since he didn't see him for years 😔

and then become a YouTuber

[humble cipher]

oh yes goosebumps

touya just needed love, man

he dreamed to be a fire dancer

[solid zenith]

yeah

the kagura dance

i can see it

[brazen glen]

why is this here again

[still parrot]

Tbh I don't have a clue

I think it was stemed from what Touya did in the manga and this thread has been here ever since 🤷‍♀️ that's just my take of it I could be wrong

[storm stone]

yoooo the thread's back

[still parrot]

I thought it got archived already

[solemn stream]

It did

It has been revived

[deep jay]

oh really! i thought it was just created last month

[mystic trail]

toya

Am I right?

[solemn stream]

Yes

[plucky jewel]

no

[solemn stream]

No

[deep jay]

yes

[solemn stream]

Yes

[sonic stirrup]

Nah

[pseudo stirrup]

I agree

[solemn stream]

i disagree

[deep jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dabi-mha-dance-touya-todoroki-gif-22092524

[solemn stream]

dabi dancing

[deep jay]

dabi vibing

[pseudo stirrup]

I disagree

[solemn stream]

what do you think he is doing

[pseudo stirrup]

Celebrating a SSSS pull he got in some gacha game

[solemn stream]

dabi gamer

[pseudo stirrup]

Indeed

[jade orchid]

WHY IS THIS BACK?

i thought we killed this

[solemn stream]

we revived it

[sonic stirrup]

[jade orchid]

why.

let it die

[solemn stream]

no

[deep jay]

no

dabi shall not die

until he burns all evil from the hero society

mainly one person

[pearl bronze]

Or they both live

[deep jay]

OH COMEON plenty of people are dying already. no excuses or exceptions

[jade orchid]

We shouldn't simp for dabi either

[deep jay]

why not?

[jade orchid]

I've already told you before why

[deep jay]

i forgot

[jade orchid]

Mass murderer

[deep jay]

oh

well then why bother simping for any LoV

[jade orchid]

Villains

Villains aren't meant to be role models

[deep jay]

its an anime

a cartoon lol

[sharp jetty]

Someone doesn’t need to be a role model to be cool 😎

[mystic trail]

so true

[brazen glen]

[brazen glen]

Endeavor is a demon he's pure evil

Worse than a mass murderer

[jade orchid]

Lmao this is satire right

[brazen glen]

Kill this shit channel

[pseudo stirrup]

You can leave thread from sidebar on the right

[jade orchid]

pls

[brazen glen]

Also talking here prevents it from dying

So if you want it dead, try not to send messages

[sonic stirrup]

[mystic trail]

Endeavor? More like mideavor

[solemn stream]

Mid everything

[brazen glen]

Lowdeavor

Dabi is a shining bright Angel

[deep jay]

enji more like cringey

dabi the puppeteer

endeavour the cry baby. i didnt see toya cry with all of his burnt up body and enji cries all cuz he says one word. lol pathetic

[jade orchid]

Normal ppl can cry

Dabi is a psychopath so it makes sense why he cant

[pearl bronze]

Dabis tear ducks are burnt lol

But he cries blood

[jade orchid]

yup

[deep jay]

yh enji's stupidity is the sole reason dabi cant cry and youre blaming him?

tryna blame the victim. the audacity

[jade orchid]

god, your so dense

i've had this agrument with you at least 10 times

[mystic trail]

It's endeavor's fault

🤨

[jade orchid]

the state of the fandom is: "we simp dabi and hate endeavor's development"

[mystic trail]

Yes

[jade orchid]

no wonder why ppl hate the fandom

[mystic trail]

We do simp dabi

[jade orchid]

I don't

I hate dabi

[mystic trail]

But he's hot

[jade orchid]

he's not

[pseudo stirrup]

🎣

[jade orchid]

he's literally not

[mystic trail]

So he's great

🤩

[jade orchid]

will you please stop trying to bypass filter

[mystic trail]

No

[jade orchid]

okay then gaius will mute u

[mystic trail]

But will he?

[deep jay]

with good reasons

id also like you to know that this is an anime and its more having fun

[jade orchid]

this is the worst low tier bait ever

[mystic trail]

Yeah, dabi is hot

[jade orchid]

get better bait

[mystic trail]

No

[deep jay]

when did i say i hate endeavour development?

fandom says it doesnt mean i do too

[sharp jetty]

is it, tho?

[jade orchid]

yes

literally look at twitter

and here for proof

[deep jay]

oh twitter lol

[sharp jetty]

is twitter the entirety of the fandom?

[deep jay]

why whould anyone in their right mind would go twitter

[deep jay]

^

[jade orchid]

why would anybody not use twitter

alot of the fandom is on twitter

[mystic trail]

Because they do not like twitter

[sharp jetty]

doesn't seem like people have a very good time on twitter

[pseudo stirrup]

Most people ik who read or watch mha love endeavour

Twt is just an echo chamber depending on whoever you follow

[mystic trail]

And dabi is hot

[pseudo stirrup]

So true

[jade orchid]

alot of the comments i see are ppl bashing on endeavor

fr

[deep jay]

so....

[sharp jetty]

A lot of the comments I see are people praising Endeavour

fr

[pseudo stirrup]

so....

[deep jay]

if you like enji, do that. atleast let us hate enji

[mystic trail]

A lot of the comments I see are assumptions of endeavor hate

so....

[pseudo stirrup]

Forgot fr

0/10

[sharp jetty]

A lot of the comments I see are neutral on Endeavour fr

[mystic trail]

fr

[deep jay]

instead of calling us 'dense' and insinuating we're bad people for hating a 2d character on a screen

smh

[mystic trail]

True...

People like to insult the person aruing against their point

[deep jay]

i know right

[sharp jetty]

are you arguing against me, Hood?

[jade orchid]

If I wanted to insult him, I would of

[pseudo stirrup]

that's a redundant argument, this whole server is for people who watch the cartoon/manga and this channel is for discussing about a 2d character...

[mystic trail]

You turd in the wind, zigma

[jade orchid]

Oh no, I assumed styker's gender

[deep jay]

lets have fun with that then

[mystic trail]

I agree

[deep jay]

like good fun

[mystic trail]

We should have more fun

[sharp jetty]

Sony really shouldn't be making movies

[deep jay]

not start mocking people or stan

adhering to rules and etiquette

[mystic trail]

fr

[pseudo stirrup]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jade orchid]

What about legendary making that new mha movie then

the live action one

[deep jay]

huh..........

[mystic trail]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Tom holland should play deku

🤩

[deep jay]

i think theres another chat for this

or is there?

[jade orchid]

nope

[pseudo stirrup]

You think right

[mystic trail]

Yeah, the toya discussion

[deep jay]

#mha-movies

[jade orchid]

i don't think mha movies is petraining to that movie

since there's been nothing on it

for 3 years

[sharp jetty]

this thread is only for trashing Endeavour and praising Dabi's cleavage

[deep jay]

lol

[mystic trail]

Dabi cleavage clock

[sharp jetty]

classic

[pearl bronze]

Gosh Dabi needs a fitting shirt

[sharp jetty]

He needs nothing of the sort

He's got drip

[mystic trail]

I don't have any images

[jade orchid]

dabi needs plastic surgery

[pearl bronze]

Go shirtless then only his jacket looks new

[mystic trail]

He's just fine the way he is

Spends his money on hair dye

[jade orchid]

what kind of crappy hair dye does he use that washes off easily

[sharp jetty]

That's mean. You need to learn about body positivity

[jade orchid]

ur mean

[pearl bronze]

Chalk hair dye I think

[brazen glen]

Dabi mid.

[mystic trail]

So false

[brazen glen]

So true

[jade orchid]

so true

[pseudo stirrup]

I agree

[solemn stream]

so frue

[plucky jewel]

Toya Discussion? More like slander Toya the chat.

[solemn stream]

yes

[sharp jetty]

libel*

[solemn stream]

correcting that as always

[plucky jewel]

[mystic trail]

Hmm

[brazen glen]

I only slander endeavor to mock dabi sympathisers

Dabi made his own choices and was a stubborn salty fool who lashing out at daddy

[lofty dove]

toya is toya

[mystic trail]

But he's hot

[lofty dove]

you have a point

[bright jasper]

endeaver sucks

[jade orchid]

ok?

[brazen glen]

Troll

[solemn stream]

Not troll

[deep jay]

with toya

do you recon hes going to kill more people

or what'd afo have anything for toya

[warm trench]

I guess he will just ignore him
I don't think he has to do anything with his plan

[deep jay]

i mean afo can use toya to dela with enji

maybe even give dabi an upgrade...which actually seems possible

[jade orchid]

if it toya dies then it's all pointless giving him another quirk

[warm trench]

U remember he praised spinner for staying after war
But we know dabi left
So maybe ( just a theory) he might attack dabi for u know betrayal

Afo is a man with great ego lol

[jade orchid]

AFO killing toya?

stealing toya's quirk

[warm trench]

Nah
Darker
Turning him into nomu

[deep jay]

nah idt hes gonna steal the quirk

[jade orchid]

He might

[deep jay]

maybe dabi consent to becoming a nomu

[jade orchid]

give it to another character

[deep jay]

i mean then why bother not getting shiga's decay

why keep it in him

[jade orchid]

for all we know he could kill shigaraki

[deep jay]

why not convice shiga to just kill all LoV and steal their quirks

yh he wont cuz he needs him

its his successor

[jade orchid]

or he takes over shiga

essentially killing shigaraki

[deep jay]

if he wanted him dead, he could have done it in the span of 300+ ch

[warm trench]

He might use them as pawn
Not to mention he might use them to lure heroes in trap

[jade orchid]

if SnS survives she'd probably easily deal with dabi

[warm trench]

He said he needed shigaraki
Because his rage fuels afo quirk
It's like dark side of star wars

[warm trench]

What is SnS ?

[jade orchid]

star and stripe

[warm trench]

Ohh
Yeah she will most definitely try to attack the remaining member of LoV

[deep jay]

i mean really any top 1a can deal with dabi

deku bakugo todoroki

[sonic stirrup]

Shoto dealing with dabi

[pearl bronze]

Shoto had no burn scars lol

[solemn stream]

dabi looks itchy

[winter token]

He was hospitalized and had bandages along with the best doctors and healing quirks in japan on him for multiple days

I dont think shoto can beat dabi atm

Unless he does a sports fes level flashfreeze heatwave

[pearl bronze]

Well he'll get help from others somehow

[brazen glen]

Nagant should just headshot dabi

[jade orchid]

yes

[plucky jewel]

too bad she is a Dabi aswell rn

[solemn stream]

bruh

[bright jasper]

Bruh

[bright jasper]

Hey endeaver

[jade orchid]

what.

am i missing something

[deep jay]

god hes still this thick even after all of this. ||[its a joke don't take it personally, I'm refering to enji todoroki the character not you as a person]||

[solid zenith]

ur weekly reminder

[jade orchid]

HE SUCKS

[solid zenith]

HORRIBLE

https://tenor.com/view/beating-up-beating-up-lilo-fight-beat-up-beat-down-gif-19482217

[brazen glen]

Hope endeavor murders dabi

[pearl bronze]

Endeavor was devastated when he found out Touya died, why would he kill him again

[terse quartz]

endevor is glad that toya is alive

he won't even try to attack him lol

[random merlin]

Toya will probably kill himself when trying to kill Endeavor

[deep jay]

and here people mock us for being mindless dabi simps while doing this.

[deep jay]

idm that tbh

fitting ending

imo, all we know of dabi is his agenda to destroy enji. past this, i dont see any reason for him to be linked to the main plot other then maybe just chilling on the sidelines

[warm trench]

do u think he will try to go meet his mother ?

[deep jay]

OMG I REALLY WANT THAT

i dont care if he went before war arc

i just really wanna see them 2 meet

who knows, dabi might even cry. he might just have tear ducts after all!

[sonic stirrup]

Its nice to dream

[warm trench]

yeah
seeing how dark the series is horikoshi wont let fan get that

[warm trench]

according to touya and even shoto
their mother suffered because of endeavour
so he might have a soft spot for her

[sonic stirrup]

Something like that

[warm trench]

ohh

i totally forgot about this scene

🥲

[deep jay]

Even though touya said some men things to her.

[brazen glen]

Spoiled obsessed stubborn ungrateful brat

https://tenor.com/view/slap-discipline-child-frapper-gif-10762914

[pearl bronze]

Dabi didn't go see her before the war arc tho... headcanon people thought that got debunked

[warm trench]

Bruh
It's a manga thread 💀

[pearl bronze]

No he's calling Touya spoiled

[warm trench]

Ohh
Sorry I didn't got the context

[warm trench]

Lmao
If touya was in a real asian family
He would have probably got whooped like that

[deep jay]

wonder whos fault is that

[brazen glen]

He probably should've maybe he wouldn't have turned out how he is if he did

[brazen glen]

Parents plus his

[warm trench]

Well but endeavour to some extent deserves it
Just he killed many innocent

[brazen glen]

Wym

[warm trench]

I mean how endeavour was
He deserves someone who can u know tell him how he was the wrong guy there
And u can say dabi is a punishment for endeavour's sins

[deep jay]

oh yh great. blame the kid for how he turned up. the audacity

[brazen glen]

My bad I guess I should shift the entire blame on the parents for the individuals choices all those peeps he killed, not on his innocent shining angelic hands.

[warm trench]

I guess he means the Ill stuff dabi did as an adult
There were better ways of confronting endeavour in this scenario

[brazen glen]

Yeah you right about him being endeavors sins coming to light cause he wasn't a good parent but he wasn't the level of monster dabi became.

[warm trench]

Yeah
Dabi took things to extreme
But guess that what pain and anger does to someone
Yeah endeavour deserves pain for his sins and yes dabi is like a little overdo
But u can't blame anyone

[deep jay]

he was referring to the picture with the young toya

[deep jay]

you were referring to the pic lol ie the kid touya

[brazen glen]

What does this channel even discuss about touya

[jade orchid]

how great he is apparently

[mystic trail]

Best boy

[pearl bronze]

True

[plucky jewel]

The opposite

[jade orchid]

^

[deep jay]

we have people who hate him talking about how evil and bad and inhumane he is and people who love him talking about his past, why he is who he is, and trashing on enji

[sonic stirrup]

Vicious cycle

[jade orchid]

sounds like your the latter

[deep jay]

doubt

[jade orchid]

you literally are a dabi stan

[deep jay]

mhm

[jade orchid]

you've menitioned how you are multiple times

[deep jay]

mhm

ok

its late here so GN enji

[jade orchid]

ok

im not the mod enji

[deep jay]

well enji is easier to say then endeavour

[jade orchid]

ah

fair

gn then

[polar raptor]

Ew to the second option

50%

[jade orchid]

Anyone that stans him is obviously a liar

[polar raptor]

Fr

[jade orchid]

He has nothing likable

[mystic trail]

I stan him

He is hot

Very likeable

[polar raptor]

Why thanks for that very valuable information💀

[jade orchid]

That's a satire post

[mystic trail]

But is it?

[jade orchid]

Yes

[mystic trail]

Really?

[jade orchid]

Dabi's not meant to be likeable

In any shape or form

[mystic trail]

Dunno

He's one of my favourite my hero academia characters

[jade orchid]

I don't get what's likeable about

Murdering ppl

[mystic trail]

It's quirky

🤩

[jade orchid]

You remind me of those ppl on tiktok that tried to get a murderer let go simply cause "he was hot"

[mystic trail]

Yes

Except I do not use tiktok

Yeah

Character's who are really dislikeable

Like pouf

Are constantly antagonizing

You can sympathize with dabi

[jade orchid]

I cant

I dont see what there is

[plucky jewel]

Excuse me, Red Hood?

[jade orchid]

To sympathise about

[solemn stream]

the only reason he was born was to fulfil someones selfish desire

[mystic trail]

Excuse me, shoraki?

[polar raptor]

Ok and? So are you trying to say that Having a sad past is a green ticket to growing up( physically cause clearly not mentally) and doing what you want?
No one's disagreeing It was unfortunate that he didn't have the best parents but that's life and that doesn't mean you need to pull out a tantrum especially when you're the older sibling of 3, don't you need to watch out for the ones behind you

Well duh

It's anime

Lines on paper

Well then Good so this conversation has no other outcome.

[mystic trail]

Exactly

[jade orchid]

If it was real would you feel the same way?

[mystic trail]

I usually only judge characters on how well written they are

[mystic trail]

No

[solemn stream]

i would not feel the same way

[mystic trail]

Griffith my favourite berserk character

Wrong reply

[polar raptor]

And Dabi ain't that

[mystic trail]

Whatever

[mystic trail]

But he is

[polar raptor]

💀

[mystic trail]

Why is he not well written

[polar raptor]

Ok he is well written as a villain or hateable character then.

Yes just like all for one is a well written Villain

[mystic trail]

All for one is a lot less likeable

[polar raptor]

Nevermind that he's well Written in his terms

[polar raptor]

Same people for me

Sigh

[mystic trail]

Do you just not like villains?

[deep jay]

probably tht

[mystic trail]

I think all for one is funny

[deep jay]

sup

[polar raptor]

I do they are cool but not all of them

Actually Dabi is the only villain I don't like at all

[deep jay]

ofc

how come?

[mystic trail]

Why?

[polar raptor]

I like toga, uh shigaraki is there, etc

Oh twice too

[deep jay]

he gets the same character as toga, twice

[mystic trail]

Because he's upset he was abused as a child?

Like shigaraki?

[deep jay]

even compress gets less then him

[polar raptor]

His ways and Reasons Plus I've generally never liked him

[mystic trail]

So you just don't like him

[polar raptor]

They have different personalities and physology

[mystic trail]

You know who I don't like?

[deep jay]

so you just dont like the story.....

[mystic trail]

Oboro

[deep jay]

and how he was made in the story

[polar raptor]

I'll answer that when you'll tell me whenever I said that

[polar raptor]

???

[mystic trail]

there

[deep jay]

whats wrong with his ways? i mean yh his actions are morally wrong but why is he on the bad side of the scale

[polar raptor]

No I don't like him what has that gotten to do with The story as a whole

[polar raptor]

Well that's actually it

[deep jay]

you said you dont like his reasons and ways which is literally how hes written in the story

[mystic trail]

I don't get what you are arguing

[deep jay]

ok and toga hasnt murdered people then? i mean toga literally DRINKS peoples blood and thats better then just being burned to death?

[polar raptor]

Yes there I was explaining why I didn't like him But you said " because he's upset he was abused as a child?" When I clearly said it was unfortunate he didn't get the best parents

[deep jay]

what about shigas decaying people to death?

or overhaul's reassembling people

thats not bad?

[mystic trail]

You also said he shouldn't be throwing tantrums

[deep jay]

how can you like shiga when he kills but not dabi cuz he kills

😕

[polar raptor]

She's a villain and I was asked if I hated villains and I said no
Right now you're just stating what makes them villains and now there are villains who can be liked as VILLAINS and others who can't, Twice is an example of a likeable villain to ME and Dabi isn't
Is that clearer now?

[mystic trail]

What?

[polar raptor]

I don't like shigaraki, I just don't hate him either

[deep jay]

fair enough

[polar raptor]

What is it this time

[jade orchid]

I like Twice more than Dabi too

Tbh

[polar raptor]

Yea

[polar raptor]

Overhaul is equally a very hateable Character

[mystic trail]

Why are you arguing about this if you're going to talk about how he's specifically not likeable to you without reasoning?

Just say you don't like him

[jade orchid]

Something about how dabi is written just screams "yeah I can't like character compared to the rest of the cast"

[polar raptor]

Yes I don't like him And I was explaining it why in my other text, I like some villains for different reasons like Twice because he's funny and he actually cares for his Comrades.

[jade orchid]

Unlike the rest of LoV which had hidden backstories
Dabi was foreshadowed from the first few chapters he appeared in

[mystic trail]

Dabi does care

[polar raptor]

(Sorry for the pings) Yea exactly

[mystic trail]

Twice was a useful part of his plan!

[mystic trail]

So you just don't like him

[polar raptor]

Didn't Dabi say in the Manga that he didn't care what happened to them and that he just followed Stain's Objectives

Where did you see that he cares?

[mystic trail]

'Twas merely a jest

[polar raptor]

For

1. His personality
2. His physocology
3. His methods
4. I understand that Dabi didn't have the brightest Childhood But seriously let's be serious what in the world? It's true Enji could've done way Better on his part but tell me, can't a 13 Year old reason? A lil bit just a bit

[polar raptor]

And this

🤷🏻‍♀️

Were you the one who said he was hot

[mystic trail]

What about his personality, phycology and methods

And he was being physically abused

[polar raptor]

Huh

What?

Who physically abused him

[mystic trail]

Yes, because he is🤩

[mystic trail]

Endeavor

[polar raptor]

They are outta League if that's really what you wanna Know

[polar raptor]

When and how

Tell me

[mystic trail]

?

[polar raptor]

When?

[mystic trail]

It's literally his whole character motivation

[polar raptor]

When Did Endeavor abuse him physically

[polar raptor]

His Character motivation is that he's upset at Enji for Neglection And being created for the purpose of Satisfying his desires no more

[mystic trail]

Wasn't that the whole thing about him leaving and shit?

[polar raptor]

Bro no

[mystic trail]

I don't remember

[polar raptor]

Enji never laid a single finger on him

[mystic trail]

Look man

[polar raptor]

What

[mystic trail]

I don't care about my hero academia that much

[polar raptor]

Okay Cool Goodbye

[pearl bronze]

Endeavors abuse towards Touya was all emotional. Basically neglect but either way Touya got abused at the same level as Shoto even if it wasn't physical

Refresher for anyone

[brazen glen]

Shoto got it worse

[pearl bronze]

I guess comparing the two

Shoto got support from his mom while Touya didn't

[sharp jetty]

Let the abuse olympics begin

[brazen glen]

She tried and touya lashed out

[pearl bronze]

She tried in the wrong way?

[brazen glen]

You gonna come again and say abuse can't be compared or ranked, when it came

[brazen glen]

What is the right way

Cause it began with throwing boiling water on shotos face

[pearl bronze]

Yeah they're both bad parents and Rei is owning up to disfiguring Shoto but

[sharp jetty]

Toya didn't get enough abuse points

[pearl bronze]

This here before Rei lost it kind of has more understanding of where Shoto is coming from vs

Touya talk here is...well Rei told him something he doesn't want to hear.

[deep jay]

rei cared for her children.

[brazen glen]

She told him what she saw she didn't lie to him

She did the same she was trying to do with shoto

[pearl bronze]

But isn't right thing to say. Clearly didn't work did it

[brazen glen]

Comfort

[brazen glen]

How is that not the right thing to say to someone who was clearly having that issue

[deep jay]

theres what you want to say and whats morally should be said

[pearl bronze]

Because Touya wanted to be a hero.

[brazen glen]

Yh there's still other paths

[pearl bronze]

Even if it's a selfish reason like wanting to spend time with his dad or something.

[brazen glen]

You gonna prefer she say your only path is a hero

[deep jay]

also i mean what else could she have said then? my dear boy, i see you are effortlessly burning your own body. please my son stop going into the footsteps of your idiot father

[jade orchid]

kids look up to their parents, it's what they do

[pearl bronze]

No. I think Rei should've understood Touya more at this point and said something more understanding

[brazen glen]

She understood him exactly at that point

He just got mad

He is as who he is because of who his pops is and what he was told he he was born to be

[deep jay]

yh and the parent that was supposed to be the role model quite figuratively told his kid to go f yourself, i have shoto hes better

[jade orchid]

He actually told toya politely

it was a bad idea

[brazen glen]

She came in understanding all that and offered him to open up his mind and know there's other things

[deep jay]

tbh even enji understood what touya was doing

[pearl bronze]

Not really though if anything he just wanted attention from Endeavor. "You're good enough" is probably what he needed to hear

[brazen glen]

That's only cause of who he is

[deep jay]

touya was a kid so his reactions is expected

[brazen glen]

Yh touya would get mad regardless

Rei didn't do any less than she did with him than she did with shoto

[deep jay]

and with the family environment, idt theres any other way for him to turn out

[pearl bronze]

I'm just pointing it out Rei stance here felt different. In this instance felt like Touya had it "worse"

[brazen glen]

Yh cause his quirk destroys his body

[pearl bronze]

But I'm also still on the stance Endeavor could've let go of his obsession and Touya could've been a hero learning to control his quirk. Touyas quirk and OfA aren't too different

[brazen glen]

Would be trash of Rei to lie to him and let him harm himself to keep him happy

[jade orchid]

Touyas quirk and OfA aren't too different

i'm sorry.

what.

[pearl bronze]

Both quirks that hurt the user if not learning how to control it

[jade orchid]

That's what you mean.

[brazen glen]

Yh idk about that one chief

OFA only does that if the user's body isn't conditioned well enough to take it

Touya is born like that it's an inherent genetic flaw he was born with

No amount of training won't stop him from harming himself

[pearl bronze]

Why not? He'd be able to control the heat output and maybe use support items to take care of his skin

Also this panel

'us' meaning Enji and Touya

[pearl bronze]

This too

[polar raptor]

are you comparing Toya's abuse with shoto? They're literally Different leagues

[deep jay]

thats an AU though

i mean anything can be said if we just go what if

if enji didnt have the thirst for power, heck yh he prolly would've been an awesome dad

[deep jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles2-writing-math-robert-parr-gif-15694499

abuse is abuse

[jade orchid]

they are different!

[polar raptor]

Argh what did I do this Time

Oh

[polar raptor]

Yes abuse is abuse just like crime is crime
If someone murders 100 people and another person steals 1 buck, they both committed crimes so they should both be sent to jail for a lifetime

[deep jay]

point being, lets not compare abuse. treat them separately

its not a pity competition

ygm

[polar raptor]

Good now you're talking

[brazen glen]

Endeavour is only looking at it at face value and believed midoriya is born with OFA

So no it's not the same

[pearl bronze]

No just stating what happened

[brazen glen]

Idk why you guys always say let's not compare when it is comparable and there is levels to abuse.

[pearl bronze]

The comparisons came later which topic was brought up after

[brazen glen]

There not paying attention to your child then there's choke slamming and making there face connect with your knuckles

[deep jay]

i think its just me saying it

[pearl bronze]

It is the same tho. Like Deku and Touya we're parallels there

[brazen glen]

PArAllelLs

It's not at all

That issue that endeavour and touya have is still with them and always will be

Midoriyas thing is temporary

[deep jay]

his what thing? his abuse?

[polar raptor]

Uh huh

[brazen glen]

The quirk causing harm to them

[deep jay]

how is that a logical argument? bakugo's quirk cuases damage to him

uraraka pukes when using gravity

deku legit broke arms at first using ofa

[brazen glen]

Yh and he saying that touya could train to overcome his

[deep jay]

ah ok then yh

[brazen glen]

He's the most extreme case of that

[deep jay]

i mean he did.

[polar raptor]

???????

[brazen glen]

He burnt his nerves

He didnt

[deep jay]

toya is like 20+ surely he'd have trained knowing he needs to take down enji whos really powerful

[brazen glen]

Yh all those years and he still uses his body for fuel

There was no out training that

[deep jay]

even if he didnt train, theres a sort of passive resistnace that comes with growing up.

[brazen glen]

Resistance to what

[deep jay]

heat damage

tbh, we can neiter confirm nor deny toya trained

[brazen glen]

You've seen how he looks right

[deep jay]

cuz we havent seen him or not seen him do it

[brazen glen]

He didn't solve his issue

[deep jay]

yh burnt up and all

that was when he was a kid. ig that his body is weakened but theres still hope

[brazen glen]

What happened to him is what endeavour didn't want and why he stopped training

[deep jay]

like 13. he 'died' at 13 right?

[brazen glen]

Do you even know what your arguing for.

[polar raptor]

They did say Quirks were like physical abilities and they ofcourse get tiring even when you run too much you get out of stamina but that's different because with dabi it's not that he runs outta stamina by using it only But it equally burns him as well

Unlike the others who are immune to the effects of their quirks

That's why shoto and endeavor don't have stitches everywhere

[pearl bronze]

Yeah

[pearl bronze]

Well endeavor didn't train him right and stopping him didn't work. Again if Touya controls his quirk well like Deku does with OfA he could've been fine

"all he taught me to turn the heat up"

[sonic stirrup]

[deep jay]

oh yh i forgot he inherited the cold resistance rather then fire

so it doubles down on him

[polar raptor]

Uh huh

[deep jay]

so hes even more at a disadvantage

yet he fires and burns

[brazen glen]

Tell izu this

[brazen glen]

Cause whether endeavour taught him to turn the heat down or not he's still jack himself up

[deep jay]

dabi has the worst messed up combination of stronger fire then enji and cold resistance rather then heat

making his quirk self destructive

even with training, its onyl so much he can do

the other option is become kamikaze and go psycho

[brazen glen]

Yh which is the only way he could actually compete

[pearl bronze]

Even with a bad combination he could've been taught to control it. Like...endeavor or Rei trying to stop him didn't work

Also support items

[deep jay]

well he didnt cuz he was an ahole

and now hes a murdering fanatic

[pearl bronze]

Well yes

[vernal ore]

If only Endeavor taught Touya how to regulate the temperatures of his fire so he can turn down the heat

[pearl bronze]

Also yes. thats my point. touya could've controlled his quirk given good guidance

[vernal ore]

Yeah but Endeavor was a negligent parent

[pearl bronze]

Yeah I know.

Instead of stopping him Enji and Rei could've been more supportive/less neglectful

[brazen glen]

Yeah, as much as Rei was a also victim of the abuse, in an ideal world she should have stood up for her children. Then again that probably wouldn’t end well against a super-powered abuser but hey ho

[warm trench]

I guess rei also had a strong quirk for ice
But she never used it

I wish her quirk was also explored aswell

[deep jay]

how old was she when was she married again?

[warm trench]

Never stated I guess

But endeavour married her because she had a powerful ice quirk
And he wanted to create a child with power like what we see in shoto

[deep jay]

ie 'quirk marriage'

as stated in bnha to be an ilegal thing iirc

[warm trench]

Yeah

[warm trench]

Endeavour
🪛 the rule

[deep jay]

hes downright shit from the very start of his timeline

[warm trench]

*was

Old man trying to change
Give him some time lol

[deep jay]

'was' is a matter of perspective

he had 2 decades lol

and plenty of events and time

he just started a little too late

thats all

[warm trench]

No one to tell him on his face that what he is doing is shit
Then all might retired and he saw the burden of being no. 1 and shoto being rebellious and stuff
The dabi came in clutch lol

[warm trench]

Yeah

The way horikoshi is writing
I am sure by the end of the story
He will be a completely different person

In a good way I mean

[deep jay]

actually he had half of the family telling him

we'll see

as the story continues

[warm trench]

True
He never gave them time

[deep jay]

he didnt give them anything

no time, no care,

he even started imagining them as a happy family without him. That's just how excluded he is

and excluded he has become. even rn, hes a solo man having no support with his issues, metaphorically speaking

[warm trench]

Sometimes I think
Everyone on todoroki family needs therapy

[winter token]

They defo do

[deep jay]

one already is

one already got therapy from deku

one just needs a jail cell to contemplate all that it did

and one i also needs a institute for villains

[warm trench]

Yeah
Deku with his talk no jutsu

[pseudo stirrup]

Lmao

[pearl bronze]

Assumed around 18-19 or so endeavor was like 20-21

Enji was 22 when Touya was born so

[warm trench]

Damn
She married at a pretty young age

Lol
If she waited she would have found someone better than todoroki

[pseudo stirrup]

Did you read the manga

[warm trench]

Yes
But don't remember much lol

[pseudo stirrup]

She didn't have a choice, Enji made an offer to her family and they were in decline so they made Rei marry Enji

[warm trench]

I know that part
My message above was just a joke
No need to take in serious

[pseudo stirrup]

Ah

[warm trench]

It was a way of saying the she was so young at the time of her marriage
If things were a little different she could have lived a much better life

[brazen glen]

She should have drank alot of alcohol when pregnant with touya

[solemn stream]

bruh tf

[brazen glen]

[deep jay]

wtf dude

[winter token]

Imagine if her fam wasnt poor

Thats like an entire piece of the story gone

[deep jay]

imagine deku wasnt quirkless. the timeline would flip

[pearl bronze]

Reis family seems to have stature/money at some point

[solid zenith]

[brazen glen]

To all those shocked by my dark statement

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-ron-swanson-gif-22673168

[pearl bronze]

Happy Dabi Todoroki 1 year anniversary

[waxen sorrel]

What chapter ?

[pearl bronze]

290

[waxen sorrel]

Thx

[lone parrot]

toya?

THAA BEE?

DABI-?

[vestal lodge]

lmao

[lone parrot]

lol

[brazen glen]

This thread sticking around longer than last time

Endeavor did nothing wring

Wrong

[lone parrot]

o...kay....................??????????

[mystic trail]

o...kay....................??????????

[random merlin]

[brazen glen]

This channel just never dies

[winter token]

Not true

[lone parrot]

lmfao

[dull flint]

this still exists?

damn

[lone parrot]

XD

[deep jay]

Ye

Thread goes away after 24hts of inactivity

It takes 1 Message to bring it back

The power of words!!

[lone parrot]

lol

[mystic trail]

Hmm

[lone parrot]

lol

da-bee's Dabi's discussion powers ig XD

[mystic trail]

Yeah XD

I completely agree XD LOL

[lone parrot]

lol

[mystic trail]

lol

[lone parrot]

lol

[solemn stream]

Red "we do a little trolling" hood

[lone parrot]

lol

[mystic trail]

Do you laugh out loud every time you say lol?

[lone parrot]

no lmfao

mostly eys tho

yes*

smtimes yea

mostly no

[brazen glen]

I think it’s important to keep this thread alive

It’s crucial to the delicate ecosystem of manga chat that there’s a safe, separate place to argue about Dabi

[vestal lodge]

yas

we need a place to argue about Dabi

so keep this chat alive

[deep jay]

ye

[solemn stream]

dabi am i right

[brazen glen]

Pfff

He sucks

Because Endeavor

And maybe Rei

And maybe he was born messed up too

But of course the real reason he’s evil is Shoto. Shoto is to blame for everything.

[narrow basin]

"toya is overrated"
-a dub discrod dude

[sharp jetty]

Dabi is messed up because society

[brazen glen]

Dabi is a plague on society

Endeavor is the vaccine

[mystic trail]

Your mum is the vaccine

[deep jay]

what a terrible shitty vaccine it is then considering the whole society is diseased by dabi

damn they pulled so many resources into making the worst vaccine. what a failure!!

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-my-is-immeasurable-and-gif-14420754

[sharp jetty]

I gotta say. I don't really like this metaphor

[deep jay]

in a good way or in a bad way

eh welcome to the real world. sometimes vaccines dont work. its part of science.

[mystic trail]

In a good way🤩

[brazen glen]

Idk if my mum could purge Dabi from existence unless she did something like threaten horikoshi

[brazen glen]

But yh this vaccine takes time to set in

Eventually and hopefully he purges Dabis dieseased existence

[deep jay]

prolly too late by then XD

hed have conquered everything, won and would happily give himself up seeing enji couldnt even hold candle

[lone parrot]

lol

[brazen glen]

Endeavor number 1 father

[deep jay]

listed to go to hell

[pearl bronze]

That would make his family sad

Mostly Touya if he goes without him

[lone parrot]

lol

[brazen glen]

*heaven

[pearl bronze]

Yes Endeavor and Dabi both go to heaven

[deep jay]

did i stutter?

[brazen glen]

Endeavor father of the year

[brazen glen]

Yeah I think you did

You misspelled heaven so I helped you

[brazen glen]

I think you stuttered near the end of your sentence

• yeas endeavor goes to heaven and dabi goes to hell and burns forever

[winter token]

Mid

[brazen glen]

*peak

*beak

[sonic stirrup]

reek

[jade orchid]

didn't realize you had a degree in vaccines

thanks IG

[lone parrot]

lol

[deep jay]

You mean the reverse. Endeavour burns in hell while dabi goes to heaven. I fixed it for ya

[deep jay]

.... You don't need a degree in vaccines to know they don't work lmao. somec vaccines actually don't matter it past the clinical trial phases

[jade orchid]

This is starting to sound like facebook

[deep jay]

O mean the a lot so as well. I ain't a anti vaccer heck no

I never used Facebook so have no idea

I mean I am doing a biomed degree ..... So do I get some sort for credit?

Sorry I'm on phone and autocorrect XD

[brazen glen]

Dw Stryker I get where you’re coming from