Toya
#The Toya Discussion
rain stone
proud root
FIYAAAAAAAAA
open light
final cedar
I feel so bad for Toya.
deep jay
hes handsome regardless
mystic trail
Not true
mortal marten
dabi got low diffed by a 1st year
high mesa
Off topic. But what show is this from?
sonic stirrup
Bleach
worthy oxide
Me seeing a Toya thread knowing I can't clown on him for being dead
outer harness
cerulean lagoon
of what
arctic beacon
It's a template
cerulean lagoon
there could b so many things
arctic beacon
You can use it
cerulean lagoon
You can use it
smart
cerulean lagoon
last photo js looks like monoma
mystic trail
deep jay
lol
sonic stirrup
unreal knoll
https://tenor.com/view/genryusai-yamamoto-explosion-flame-pillar-horizon-bleach-...
my brain on a daily basis:
rain stone
Toya
mystic trail
How insightful
cerulean lagoon
Not you replying 10 days later
ughahdwe here i am again 😕
outer harness
Skull
mystic trail
Emoji
outer harness
rustic pivot
sonic stirrup
deep jay
lol
mystic trail
https://tenor.com/view/toilet-smoking-gif-25020845
I decided to do this with my own toilet
rustic pivot
Man I think toya might be dabi
sonic stirrup
sudden jasper
sonic stirrup
Gremlin
sudden jasper
He goes on to kill 30 people :)
long ether
why is there a specific thread about discussing toya lol
sudden jasper
Why not
sonic stirrup
sudden jasper
He's hit puberty!
sonic stirrup
sonic stirrup
austere drift
mystic trail
austere drift
he's just a lil guy
sonic stirrup
austere drift
deep jay
how we fell
austere drift
sonic stirrup
winter token
apparently its gonna be a 21 episode seasom
sonic stirrup
sharp jetty
winter token
Toya is so cool fr fr one of the best mha characters
deep jay
^
carmine nova
dabi kinnies wya
winter token
Nah
deep jay
Toya is a product of enji's abuse and neglectment in the family.
winter token
Well i mean physically he does stink
radiant field
Toya is a product of enji's abuse and neglectment in the family.
yes'
sonic stirrup
So you agree
winter token
But he is one of the best characters writing wise
sonic stirrup
Checkmate
radiant field
dabi is an amazing chara
lucid flame
you dummies still talking about dabi when we are discussing toya
winter token
you dummies still talking about dabi when we are discussing toya
Which toya
Kid toya or war arc toya
pearl bronze
you dummies still talking about dabi when we are discussing toya
same character...
radiant field
xd
lucid flame
it's not the same
pearl bronze
idk Like I dont get the toya vs Dabi distinction since hes toya now too
radiant field
yea
lucid flame
dabi is the villain, toya is just a kid
pearl bronze
Nah Mx Dabi never had the death name in the story unlike Chisaki/Overhaul and Tomura/Tenko
winter token
Toya is also the villain
radiant field
dabi has a deadname canon
pearl bronze
no I mean theyre the same person, Dabis just an alias
radiant field
/j
deep jay
lol
sonic stirrup
Like dabi is some alternate ego or something
radiant field
i love dabis dance
pearl bronze
vs Chisaki and Overhaul they consider it a new life. Same with Tomura and Tenko (AfO literally states Tomura as tenko being dead)
brazen glen
Those people burnt to death by Dabis flames
Endeavours fault
radiant field
the chapter, and the dance itself
sonic stirrup
"I didn't kill those people, Dabi did"
radiant field
wait no i think that was a volume
brazen glen
"I didn't kill those people, Dabi did"
See that's where your wrong and here's where I tell you why bud
lucid flame
dabi is responsible for the people he killed, but endeavour is responsible for toya falling out of the todoroki family
it's really not that hard to grasp, mate
winter token
Fr
brazen glen
Endeavour is the epitome of villiany
pearl bronze
vs Dabi still embrasses his name always. (while yes its easy to say kid = toya adult = dabi. I dont think we're suppose to make that distinction like that for Dabi)
deep jay
its the violet evergarden scnario. she was trained to be a killer, so she killed. not really her fault since thats the only thing she could do
radiant field
it goes back to endeavors abuse
carmine nova
dabi is responsible for the people he killed, but endeavour is responsible for t...
this
brazen glen
dabi is responsible for the people he killed, but endeavour is responsible for t...
No
He's not responsible
He's all a result of bad parenting
deep jay
^
brazen glen
Everything he is a result of endeavour
brazen glen
It's endeavours fault
radiant field
He's all a result of bad parenting
this unironically
deep jay
^
lucid flame
he is
radiant field
do u think he isnt?
deep jay
endeavour the real villain
winter token
Ong
brazen glen
Oh yeah he's worse than stain cause he created a mass murderer
sonic stirrup
dabi is responsible for the people he killed, but endeavour is responsible for t...
Well yes, I said what I said because, I found it funny when i read this
dabi is the villain, toya is just a kid
pearl bronze
Like dabi is some alternate ego or something
Alias. Villain name. Just like Izuku vs Deku.
Unlike Tenko vs Tomura which story wise its written as two ""different"" chars
radiant field
why did u bring in stain
brazen glen
Touya is dabi
lucid flame
he thinks endeavour is a misunderstood loving father who only wanted the best for his kid, but the toya was just a stubborn brat
carmine nova
meow thank u bc i thought they were being serious lmao
radiant field
ah
deep jay
AFO aint a villain. hes just tryna save his business. And LoV are just a righteous party fighting for freedom
radiant field
yw
deep jay
endeavour is the real villain
brazen glen
Good to know people still hate Endeavor after his character development👍
Misunderstood loving father no
radiant field
dabi is touya
NO??!@??!?!??!
pearl bronze
Touya-nii yeah
carmine nova
yatou is not dabi 😱
brazen glen
He was a caring father who used his children to fulfill his ambitions
polar raptor
he thinks endeavour is a misunderstood loving father who only wanted the best fo...
Misunderstood loving Father? No
polar raptor
He was a caring father who used his children to fulfill his ambitions
I would degrade the word "Caring"
carmine nova
no one can
brazen glen
But caring doest matter he's a scumbag who is responsible for many deaths via Dabi right
carmine nova
its been a second
radiant field
endeavor is one of the last ppl who should be called caring
carmine nova
😐
deep jay
1 second
brazen glen
I would degrade the word "Caring"
Cared enough not to put the in adoption and actually disown them
brazen glen
Care enough to not want Dabi to harm himself
polar raptor
But caring doest matter he's a scumbag who is responsible for many deaths via Da...
Yes endeavor is bad but are you Blaming Adult dabi's crimes on Endeavor?😭😂
deep jay
Care enough to not want Dabi to harm himself
thats no care at all
brazen glen
Yes endeavor is bad but are you Blaming Adult dabi's crimes on Endeavor?😭😂
Basic maths right
plucky jewel
brazen glen
All the bloods on endeavours hands
deep jay
a kid has a grenade andyou tell him not to use it. tf
brazen glen
It was Endeavor's fault Dabi even became a villain so yea
polar raptor
Basic maths right
right
deep jay
without telling him anything or giving another toy
brazen glen
Dabi isnt responsible guys
carmine nova
nezuko pfp 🤝
radiant field
nezukooo
deep jay
and ensuring he likes that other toy instead of playing with the grenade again
polar raptor
All the bloods on endeavours hands
I know right? Infact Midnight's death is even because of endeavor isn't it?
brazen glen
Nezuko 💕💕
brazen glen
a kid has a grenade andyou tell him not to use it. tf
Yeah Endeavour should have told him not to use his quirk, what a scumbag
deep jay
I know right? Infact Midnight's death is even because of endeavor isn't it?
rip, you cant use stickers here
brazen glen
I know right? Infact Midnight's death is even because of endeavor isn't it?
Global warming is cause of endeavour
Absolute Scum
deep jay
[insert midnight crying face]
polar raptor
[insert midnight crying face]
Heh
polar raptor
Global warming is cause of endeavour
Absolute Scum
Exactly
I even failed my Science exams because of endeavor today
brazen glen
F
polar raptor
Such an horrible person
carmine nova
how dare he
brazen glen
That endeavour he's a menace to everything
radiant field
lets say hypothetically i fly into a rage because of my evil parents and get hurt from hitting something
is that my fault
polar raptor
That endeavour he's a menace to everything
For real
radiant field
my parents dont want me to hit it
brazen glen
lets say hypothetically i fly into a rage because of my evil parents and get hur...
Yes Rei an endeavour were peak evil, so if you fly into a rage and go somewhere and massacre a bunch of people
That's all there fault
radiant field
it is
brazen glen
I agree man fr
sonic stirrup
lets say hypothetically i fly into a rage because of my evil parents and get hur...
If you get hurt from say, hitting your head on something, I will most definitely laugh
radiant field
that wasnt a hypothetical i have a bruise on my arm
brazen glen
Cause your parents suck right.
radiant field
what
carmine nova
ur sus
brazen glen
Better ways of handling rage
radiant field
what
carmine nova
🙄
radiant field
shinso buddy
polar raptor
Yes Rei an endeavour were peak evil, so if you fly into a rage and go somewhere ...
And Dabi didn't do anything wrong infact why are we even Blaming him? It's allllll because of endeavor and all because of reiiiii all because of them
carmine nova
hi
radiant field
it is
carmine nova
is what
brazen glen
And Dabi didn't do anything wrong infact why are we even Blaming him? It's allll...
Raining facts
radiant field
talking 2 alien
carmine nova
ur moM HAW DAWHD HAHHA
polar raptor
Raining facts
Yepppp
brazen glen
Like ever hear about that guy who git rejected from art school
You know what I'm not going there
carmine nova
chat dead no ones talked for a minute
sharp jetty
Let's keep things appropriate, even in threads
carmine nova
close the thre-
brazen glen
Moral of this thread
Endeavor bad, and evil
Dabi hands are clean.
radiant field
we should close the thread i regret talking about that i am sorry
brazen glen
Why you was right member
plucky jewel
radiant field
what
sharp jetty
The thread will be archived on it's own after being inactive for a while
plucky jewel
putting my bet this will be a topic again in a few days
carmine nova
yep
sharp jetty
This will be the weekly Toya Discussion thread
carmine nova
like clockwork
brazen glen
Give it a week or two if he show up next chapters
sharp jetty
See you all next time
plucky jewel
carmine nova
polar raptor
putting my bet this will be a topic again in a few days
How much are we bettint
Betting*
carmine nova
5 million?
polar raptor
I put $500
brazen glen
Bet a name change
polar raptor
5 million?
Now that's alot
carmine nova
ill put in 50
plucky jewel
anyways
brazen glen
If discussion doesn't happen within two weeks I'd change my name to
Dabi Is peak | Eniji Trash.
Pretty much
Thing is i believe Endeavor is peak and dabi is Trash
I mean, no Dabi isn't peak
I actually agree with half of that
plucky jewel
its not the real Endeavor-Toya argument when Enji (mod) is not involved
polar raptor
If discussion doesn't happen within two weeks I'd change my name to
Dabi Is pe...
Yes
I'll be rooting for you
polar raptor
Dabi leans closer than endeavor
Closer to garbage? /h srs
brazen glen
Lmao
polar raptor
Just askin
winter token
The hell does /h mean
polar raptor
Half serious
carmine nova
ur mo-
winter token
Also no closer to peak
brazen glen
Dabi only interesting cause of his Ties to endeavor
winter token
Endeavor is only interesting because of his family members
brazen glen
Take out dabi and endeavor still has an arc and interesting impact on the story
carmine nova
Dabi only interesting cause of his Ties to endeavor
ties to the todoroki family*
polar raptor
Dabi only interesting cause of his Ties to endeavor
I mean that's not false though but rather add Todoroki family and it's perfect
brazen glen
But what is Dabi going to do if/after he succeeds in taking out Endeavor and the rest of the fam. I've always wondered..
winter token
Make endeavor a decent person and boom
polar raptor
But what is Dabi going to do if/after he succeeds in taking out Endeavor and the...
Jail
carmine nova
die?
winter token
No
carmine nova
idk
brazen glen
Endeavor is only interesting because of his family members
He is the number 2 hero who obsessed hard, and got the title in a way he didn't want to like could easily do that without him being tied down to family
winter token
He just sucks
polar raptor
He just sucks
Sucked* cause he's trying his best to Become a better person, Some in other shows would never
winter token
He is the number 2 hero who obsessed hard, and got the title in a way he didn't ...
You can make toya a victim of abuse from another hero
brazen glen
Like family or no family where endeavor is would've had a story to tell around the relationships he jacked up in his ambitious goals to beat all might
polar raptor
If he doesn't get caught?
brazen glen
Just asking
brazen glen
You can make toya a victim of abuse from another hero
Would any one care if it wasn't the number 2 hero and brother of the 3rd MC
winter token
Would any one care if it wasn't the number 2 hero and brother of the 3rd MC
Still a mass murderer with dangerous ideals so yeah
polar raptor
He would probably
Stay with the League and keep on commiting other crimes or Quit Japan and start a New life
brazen glen
He'd be interesting but not what he is now.
winter token
Just like endeavor if he didnt have a family
polar raptor
Still a mass murderer with dangerous ideals so yeah
Wait who are we talking about here
brazen glen
He's carried by his family ties.
winter token
So is endeavor
brazen glen
Just like endeavor if he didnt have a family
Still be a big part of the story
winter token
He is carried by his relationship with his family
brazen glen
He's the man behind all might
polar raptor
He's carried by his family ties.
Some non Manga readers even find him interesting
winter token
Still be a big part of the story
Because shoto is his son
brazen glen
Because shoto is his son
Number 2 hero, man behind all might
The man to take over after kamino
The man to fight high end
Family or no family those big events would still happen
winter token
Number 2 hero, man behind all might
Doesnt mean much unless he has ties to a better character
polar raptor
So is endeavor
Not necessarily because he was already interesting just hearing his story, interesting could be Negative or positive
carmine nova
!!lurk
tough wrenBOT
@carmine nova lurks and watches the nonsense 
winter token
Hawks and jeanist are top heroes and they are only relevant because of their main character tie ins
Same with endeavor
brazen glen
Doesnt mean much unless he has ties to a better character
Means everything cause midorya would eventually come across him, the man who is behind all might and has to take over after him
polar raptor
Hawks and jeanist are top heroes and they are only relevant because of their mai...
What are you going to say about Characters like toga then?
winter token
Wdym
brazen glen
Current number 1 hero, would have to show up even I the shiggy arc
Endeavor wasn't there cause of family
polar raptor
Wdym
You said that they are only relevant because of their ties to the main Character then what about toga? What makes her relevant or rather interesting?
brazen glen
All of what dabi is, is cause of family and who they are
winter token
You said that they are only relevant because of their ties to the main Character...
What she represents in the story
Which is part of the focus of mva
polar raptor
What she represents in the story
So that should also apply with endeavor or Hawks
Maybe not jeanist
polar raptor
I'm not an endeavor hater But Bakugo>>>>>>> Endeavor bro
brazen glen
Yeah
You definitely sound like an Endeavor hater
Endeavor is what bakugo could've become at his worst, kind of
polar raptor
You definitely sound like an Endeavor hater
I don't see how I do because I've been taking most of his party this whole time
brazen glen
Cause I doubt bakugo would try to live his dream through somone else
sonic stirrup
I wouldn't use that much > signs unless I was a hater
brazen glen
After all he wants to win
polar raptor
Cause I doubt bakugo would try to live his dream through somone else
Exactly
sonic stirrup
winter token
Endeavor is what bakugo could've become at his worst, kind of
Exactly
polar raptor
I wouldn't use that much > signs unless I was a hater
It's just a way to emphasise on how Bakugo is better than endeavor but endeavor isn't bad as well
winter token
The theme endeavor represents is already filled
polar raptor
Cause I doubt bakugo would try to live his dream through somone else
He would never
winter token
Meaning his only relevance is thanks to shoto
sonic stirrup
Sure but personally the gap between those 2 is kinda small
Like, 2 of hori's best characters
brazen glen
But yeah endeavor can exist and impact the story with just as big of relevancy without him being a family man, and just a standard d bag, really he'd be worse which seems to atttract more fans
winter token
My whole point with bringing that up is that you can say “yeah but if this didnt happen then” to a bunch of characters to make them bland or boring
polar raptor
Like, 2 of hori's best characters
Yessss
rustic halo
is this toya hours
winter token
So you cant pick and chose what to take away and what to keep to make your argument sound better
winter token
But yeah endeavor can exist and impact the story with just as big of relevancy w...
No he cant
brazen glen
Endeavor without a family is a scary dude, like didnt he sa he wanted to be a hero shoto wanted to be proud of
Imagine endeavor without shoto
Meaningless
What is he striving for at that point as number 1 and 2
winter token
Meaningless
^
brazen glen
Wym meaningless he's still number 2 turning into number 1 shouldering everything all might left
winter token
Endeavor without a family is just a watered down shoto s1
Which again makes his character meaningless
brazen glen
This watered down thing you keep repeating isn't adding anything or any clarity on what your trying to say.
winter token
Do you not know what the term means or?
brazen glen
Endeavor who he is and what he strives for along with all the big events that come still happen
Without family
brazen glen
He has a point
winter token
Can't call yourself a Dabi fan of you hate endeavor (vice versa too) <:NejireSip...
Yes i can
I hate endeavor because im a fan of dabi
brazen glen
He would still be number 2
Still be obsessive and agressive
Still have the respect of guys like hawks
Still become the number 1 hero
Still fight hood
Still fight shiggy when he wakes up, would probably die tho cause no plot armor is there to keep him alive for the dabi reveal that doesn't exist anymore
winter token
He would still be number 2
Still be obsessive and agressive
Still have the respe...
He would lose to hood
brazen glen
What's dabi without endeavor or family
Son of a hero who's quirk harms himself and supposedly died.
Comes back with a vengeance
polar raptor
I hate endeavor because im a fan of dabi
...
brazen glen
He would lose to hood
Yeah plot armor was kina present in that fight too, he got stabbed a ton
polar raptor
What's dabi without endeavor or family
Son of a hero who's quirk harms himself ...
Out of context someone would be like, " Who and why is he getting Revenge to?"
winter token
Society
polar raptor
What did society do to him
winter token
What did society do to him
We would learn
brazen glen
Yh the endeavor that faces hood, would still probably be dealing with alot of issues tbf
winter token
Probably during mva
brazen glen
Like he probably wouldn't have even had that talk with all might
Yet
Endeavor without a family dies earlier cause of bad mindset and no plot armor, still would leave a bigger impact on the story
Than if dabi had no family ties
brazen glen
Who is dabi, if he's not the brother of a top student and son of the number 2 and now number 1 hero
winter token
It would be like jeanist disappearing
Which we saw on a billboard once and i think another character mentioned maybe 3 or 4 times
winter token
Who is dabi, if he's not the brother of a top student and son of the number 2 an...
Dabi is a victim of hero society looking to seek revenge on it
Like tenko
Except slightly different
As it is now
brazen glen
No he's seeking revenge on endeavor
polar raptor
Who is dabi, if he's not the brother of a top student and son of the number 2 an...
Fried chicken
brazen glen
The society thing was what we all thought before until he started talking more and more
He does everything to ruin and make endeavors life hell
More selfish than selfess
polar raptor
Even tried to kill his Bro
winter token
No he's seeking revenge on endeavor
polar raptor
Even tried to kill his Bro
The only one he ever opened up to
brazen glen
What no more fake heroes.
winter token
Yeah
brazen glen
Yh thats part of his goal, shown with what he tried to pull with hawks, but it'll Always come back to endeavor
polar raptor
How dare he i'm a true hero smh
winter token
Except instead of seeing from stains view he would still be looking from the view of the child of a hero
brazen glen
He prioritized and even considered a long-term plan to make him suffer by killing shoto as an adult
polar raptor
Yh thats part of his goal, shown with what he tried to pull with hawks, but it'l...
Ho he's like using a more complicated version but all roads lead to home after all
winter token
Yh thats part of his goal, shown with what he tried to pull with hawks, but it'l...
Because endeavor is his dad and a prime example of a “fake hero”
As long as dabi has a hero for a parent and suffers the same fate
Then he will remain the same
Endeavor or no
brazen glen
Hero from a parent who isn't number 2 and has a unlikely ambition to do what exactly
winter token
So are we completely changing dabi’s character or just removing his tie to endeavor
Chose
brazen glen
Like the whole circumstances that bad dabi are so specific it barely works outside of a psycho parent hero who has drive to surpass a high bar
winter token
Choose*
brazen glen
So are we completely changing dabi’s character or just removing his tie to endea...
Every family tie
He's not the son of the number 2 hero or the brother of a top UA student
Who is the 3rd MC
winter token
Then he stays the same as long as his parent figure treats him how he was treated from endeavor
His goals and everything
brazen glen
He won't impact the story the same way.
Just a lesser watered down version of what his family ties carried him to be
winter token
Except still more relevant than endeavor due to his role as a main villain
He still joins the lov
brazen glen
No name parents
No name siblings
Means no reveal that hey yeah I'm that guy
He's just in the same place as toga an twice
brazen glen
Guy wronged by society cause his parents sucked and tried to live through him and had a better sibling and also had his quirk harm himself
winter token
And toga and twice are better than endeavor
Because like i said endeavor is just a watered down bakugo
brazen glen
All of this that is dabi needs family ties to work
brazen glen
And dabi was still important even before his reveal
Not really
brazen glen
He only gained relevance cause he had fire powers and was obviously related to shoto
winter token
Take away endeavors family and his role in the story is just the number 2 hero
Which doesnt really matter
brazen glen
Had whole thing where dabi stared him down and said his full name
polar raptor
ENji ToDoRoKi
winter token
Because out of the top ten half of them are irrelevant so its clear being a hero is much of anything unless you have some time to a main
brazen glen
Take away endeavors family and his role in the story is just the number 2 hero
You fr
Like I said all these big events still happen
He will become number 1
winter token
Had whole thing where dabi stared him down and said his full name
Talking abut shoto?
brazen glen
If he lives or dies without a family
As a number 1 hero he'd impact the whole story
Number 1 hero dies vs hood
Number 1 hero dies vs Shiggy
winter token
If he makes it to hood
winter token
You forget hawks was number 2 and didnt become relevant until hk wanted him to be which is the same thing that could happen to endeavor due to his lack of role in the story
Or number 3
My bad
brazen glen
Number 1 and 2 are treated differently than anything below
Like you said hawks didn't become relevant until he was number 2
winter token
All might was treated differently due to his role into the story
Which endeavor wouldnt have a major role for anything
brazen glen
So why wouldn't a endeavor without family be relevant off the bat if he was number 2
brazen glen
All might was treated differently due to his role into the story
How he's still number and all might
winter token
So why wouldn't a endeavor without family be relevant off the bat if he was numb...
Because endeavor wasnt relevant until shoto was developed
winter token
Endeavor would have never went to U.A. If not for shoto
brazen glen
Yeah
Does he need to be there to watch the sports festival cause he had a son
Like he still has an agency
Still has sidekicks
winter token
Does he need to be there to watch the sports festival cause he had a son
Yeah because he doesnt care for training the next generation
He only cares for self improvement and his goals
brazen glen
Ok and how does this mean he wouldn't get to hood
winter token
I mean i can think of multiple ways
brazen glen
Give me one.
brazen glen
What has family got to with anything about how that played
winter token
Shoto
brazen glen
S2 endeavor was a joke
Tfym
Endeavor didn't have any power ups he's always been that dude
brazen glen
We just get to see more of it later on
sonic stirrup
S2 endeavor was a joke
brazen glen
You really stretching
winter token
Im not
pearl bronze
Dabi is a victim of hero society looking to seek revenge on it
No he's not. Dabi dgaf
winter token
Shoto isn't there remember
Was answering this “What has family got to with anything about how that played”
brazen glen
Im not gonna even get started on you thinking stain can kill him.
brazen glen
Was answering this “What has family got to with anything about how that played”
Yeah and that comes from this being an endeavor with no family getting to hood
stray cedar
wait I never noticed the color when is dabi's hair white
brazen glen
You brought it up like it stops him getting to hood
winter token
Shoto being there changed how stain arc plays out
brazen glen
It doesn't
winter token
Also i didnt say he doesnt get to hood lmfao i said if he makes it there
Why are you acting like im saying he definitely doesnt make it to hood
brazen glen
Shoto being there changed how stain arc plays out
So you wanna back peddal now.
Responded to the wrong comment
winter token
You legit asked “what does family have to do with how that played out”
brazen glen
But yh why you say if
Like something would stop him
Cause nothing stops him from getting to hood.
Or becoming number 1
brazen glen
You legit asked “what does family have to do with how that played out”
Cause we talking about an endeavor with no family
And you say shoto.
winter token
Because you just asked what it has to do with family
Who the hell else would you be talking about
brazen glen
Bruh
Like I said again we are talking about endeavor with no family
So when you say shoto
I'm asking what has any of this got to do with family if he has none.
And all of this came from you "if" he made it to hood
winter token
You asked about family before i said anything about shoto
brazen glen
Like he wouldn't
winter token
And all of this came from you "if" he made it to hood
Because there are multiple situations that COULD stop him
Oh hold on let me fix that
There
brazen glen
You asked about family before i said anything about shoto
Yeah cause no family or him having a family doesn't impact how that arc plays out for him as a individual
winter token
Yes it does
brazen glen
Only thing that changes is his son doesn't help capture Stain
brazen glen
Because there are multiple situations that **COULD** stop him
As to this
In that arc no there was not.
winter token
Which leads to stain purging more heroes and enji being on that list
brazen glen
Stain is not on his level.
winter token
Not capturing stain leads to numerous problems in the story
winter token
Stain is not on his level.
Maybe not his level now but then? He was
brazen glen
Just more low tier hero deaths
brazen glen
Maybe not his level now but then? He was
Endeavor didn't get a power boost
brazen glen
No he didn't.
brazen glen
Your forcing this hard
He reached his peak a while ago, it's the only reason his kids exist
He just is that strong.
Hood pushed him to his Max.
winter token
Except endeavor couldnt do half of what he could now back then
brazen glen
And you know this how.
winter token
And hood would have dog walked endeavor if endeavor was still just trying to get stronger
brazen glen
Cause everything points to endeavor being at his limit and trying to produce an air whose able to go past those.
Which means he knows his limits
winter token
And you know this how.
Look at am vs all for one
brazen glen
Which means he is that strong
brazen glen
Look at am vs all for one
Yeah they're way above him
winter token
If he was even half as strong as he is now then he would have actually been help
brazen glen
Same thing wouod happen to the endeavor now
winter token
No it wouldnt
brazen glen
Yes it would, could barely handle high end without hawks
Man, how long are you two planning to keep going
carmine nova
we have to admire yalls dedication
winter token
Yes it would, could barely handle high end without hawks
High end and all for one are completely different even in situation
brazen glen
Hash's wild statements are impressive, most of the credit is on him
winter token
Endeavor would have been useful to all might against afo if he had the same moves from now that he had then
brazen glen
Season 2 endeavor could get killed by stain..
Endeavor from now could join in on kamino....
Yeaaaahhh nah.
carmine nova
credits 50/50 since ur the one responding lmao
brazen glen
winter token
Season 2 endeavor could get killed by stain..
Endeavor from now could join in on...
I mean you say nah but it’s possible and makes sense
Endeavor got stronger from season 2 you just refuse to believe it
brazen glen
No cause AFO and OFA are on a different level
No level of endeavor can join in on kamino
winter token
Doubt it
Current endeavor could join against shigaraki who is a buffed up afo
But aight
brazen glen
Shiggy could've easily killed him if he actually wanted to he was focused on deku.
Along with shiggys lack of experience with the quirks he held
carmine nova
not more toya discussion 😔
brazen glen
He could only be handled with aizwa and a ton of heroes including endeavor
Endeavor is not on that wavelength
Cope
brazen glen
not more toya discussion 😔
It'll come eventually
copper stirrup
pearl bronze
It's funny Dabi and Shiggy have a podcast for s5
copper stirrup
That’s what it’s based on yeah lol
polar raptor
You guys did this the whole night?😭😭😭
dull flint
dabis literally a wrinkled piece of flesh whats wrong with yall dabi simps
rain stone
Hmm
plucky jewel
Dabi doesn’t shower
Agreed
brazen glen
Toya goated
vernal ore
Watch him get redeemed like Shigiraki
sharp jetty
Good 😎
brazen glen
He’s the only character I don’t want to be redeemed
He strikes me as the kind of guy who would happily burn himself to death fighting out of sheer spite
polar raptor
He’s the only character I don’t want to be redeemed
Exactly
brazen glen
He’s also a mass murderer- don’t forget that
With daddy issues
What’s not to love?
polar raptor
Yea he doesn't even deserve a redemption arc (or does he?) And even if he did then I hope he's still gonna be punished for his actions
winter token
He strikes me as the kind of guy who would happily burn himself to death fightin...
Hell yeah
dull flint
then why would u have him as ur pfp 👁️
lean gust
i love him
winter token
then why would u have him as ur pfp 👁️
Because he is cool
lean gust
he’s stinky
pearl bronze
Watch him get redeemed like Shigiraki
The fandoms going to implode in multiple ways...
But yeah Dabi being redeemed seems very likely even do done nice towards Enji but we'll see
vernal ore
I’ll only be happy if toya kills Endeavor and is stopped afterwards
mystic oar
or maybe he defeats endeavor, but has overused his quirk so much that he can't be saved either
pearl bronze
Why would Endeavor die tho.
copper stirrup
Nah man dabi either intentionally disintegrates himself to try and kill pops or he goes the Azula route and gets locked away while getting progressively more and more insane
No redemption for that muffinsucker
mystic oar
But I want a scene where Natsuo apologises to Toya for not listening to him that night
copper stirrup
I assume the whole family will apologize but that would still make no change in dabis view at all
He’s the one who took that lack of response and turned it into more hatred
He’s completely childish even as a 20 something year old
winter token
What no
Dabi is gonna die
Along with endeavor hopefully
Its the end of his story
mystic oar
He’s completely childish even as a 20 something year old
he never had a childhood, he had to grow up too soon
That would explain his childishness
pearl bronze
Well Dabi and Endy living seems pretty likely
Only one with the death flags is Shigaraki which I can't find any evidence to the contrary
pearl bronze
He’s completely childish even as a 20 something year old
He's 24. Joined LoV at 23. Didn't start killing till 23. Got burned up at 13 y 11 months old
copper stirrup
Still childish af
mystic oar
yeah, the other LoV members made many comments on how Dabi had never killed someone
sharp jetty
yeah, the other LoV members made many comments on how Dabi had never killed some...
Did they? When was that?
sharp jetty
Not very reliable evidence
copper stirrup
Did they? When was that?
Giran when introducing him says he hasn’t done any flashy crimes yet but he’s devoted to stains cause or whatever
And then I think during the finale of season 3 sometime around overhauls intro we see him burn a bunch of thugs
Plus snatch
sharp jetty
Just read that chapter. Giran says he's got no criminal record, which is not the same as him not killing anyone before
winter token
Yeah that just means he wasnt caught
copper stirrup
Fair enough, I could be wrong since dub probably tweaked dialogue, but at the same time not having a record is pretty indicative of not killing anyone yet lol
Doesn’t rly matter either way so whatevs
pearl bronze
Pretty sure he didn't kill anyone
Since Dabi's original plan was to kill Shoto when he became #1 to hurt Endeavor
After he saw Stain he changed of plans and went with making himself out to be the biggest monster possible (ei why 30 people killed is considered a lot)
carmine nova
yall rlly still goin on about this huh
brazen glen
It’s a noble pursuit
sonic stirrup
Its become a thread for a reason
brazen glen
Since Dabi's original plan was to kill Shoto when he became #1 to hurt Endeavor
...
He's not a monster though, endeavor is, all that blood and 30 deaths are on his hands
Dabi cannot be held accountable, his hands are clean.
deep jay
sharp jetty
deep jay
whos to blame for all the killing. the killer or the guy that made a guy into a killer
pseudo stirrup
The killer
sharp jetty
Hori is to blame cause he's the one who wrote it 
brazen glen
Dabi was abused so young that whatever mistakes he made to lead him here are not his fault
It's his trash dad's fault
deep jay
Hori is to blame cause he's the one who wrote it <:NM_PepeGenius:729788071876231...
dang. so the writer was in control ALL ALONG
what insanity is this!
how do we comprehend this?!!!
brazen glen
pseudo stirrup
He's not a monster though, endeavor is, all that blood and 30 deaths are on his ...
An employee bombs a building where he works because his boss annoyed him does that mean the boss is responsible for the bombing
brazen glen
Yes the boss is an vile murderer
sharp jetty
Fiend, he's trolling
pseudo stirrup
Oh
deep jay
hori cant even be punished for it. the genius of that man
sharp jetty
He's making fun of the argument we had last night
pseudo stirrup
Lmao
winter token
Very true
pearl bronze
false
winter token
Not false
pearl bronze
wrong
pearl bronze
Also nvm dabi prob had the plan to kill shoto for a while and changed after #1 enji
still if he had no record im sure he didnt murder before age 23
brazen glen
wtf is this
sonic stirrup
Inevitability
deep jay
wtf is this
justice for toya
spiral jolt
Dabi stinks
i agree
brazen glen
dabi kinnies wya
😎
carmine nova
oh hi lol
deep jay
that makes him a murderer
doesnt mean you 'stink'. that just means youre a murderer
besides, not his fault as repeatedly told
people simp jack the ripper in records of ragnarok
spiral jolt
i mean toya literally tried to kill his siblings when he was a kid all cause he got told no
deep jay
i mean toya literally tried to kill his siblings when he was a kid all cause he ...
emphasis on 'kid'
brazen glen
We’ve all done it
deep jay
yh
spiral jolt
he was like 13
deep jay
i can share some stories if youd like?
youre in a world where good things are great and bad things are worse
so things do escalate
toya was a kid, who had no idea how soceity worked. and that crinji casted him aside for which ended with who he is today
vernal ore
he was like 13
He was 8 when he attacked shoto
neon steppe
i hate dabi but he's an incredible character who shows the results of the broken hero system
heroes fxxcking up everything for their own selfishness and gain
like i wanna kill that man since he ruins everything, but endeavor ruined him so what are we gonna do rip
at least he's hot
brazen glen
so
dull flint
toya > dabi
brazen glen
yes yes, toya > dabi
sonic stirrup
pearl bronze
Same person
lean gust
wait lemme just pull up my thoughts on dabi
i like dabi because something about somebody so bent on revenge that theyve lost all sense of themselves is enthralling to me.... also he's hot.
he's like a carcass of what once used to be a human being, now driven to only one goal.
brazen glen
hi
deep jay
like i wanna kill that man since he ruins everything, but endeavor ruined him so...
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
this guy get it
oh wow no gifs it seems
neon steppe
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
:D i'm gland we're in agreement
storm stone
absolutely horrible guy (not entirely his fault) but great character with a sad backstory
toya is a +1 for me
brazen glen
Dabi did nothing wrong
copper stirrup
i hate dabi but he's an incredible character who shows the results of the broken...
More of a byproduct of endeavor who’s a byproduct of hero ranking so yeah
deep jay
if only he wasnt wrinkled
judging people based on their appearances. SMH 
still parrot
if only he wasnt wrinkled
if only you knew why he's like that in the first place. to me that sounds like an anime only watcher comment
dull flint
judging people based on their appearances. SMH <:GentleSip:678460217662504960><:...
IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THEIR CHARACTER THO
THERES ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMEONE JUDJGING PEOPLE BY THEIR COVERS-
dull flint
<:MomoFacepalm:596387105475657741> if only you knew why he's like that in the f...
in case u havnt noticed this thread is linked to the manga chat. i have read the manga and ik what happened to him.
however, that still doesnt change my opinion 
deep jay
THERES ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMEONE JUDJGING PEOPLE BY THEIR COVERS-
yes, and those people are what a general audience can refer to as 'prejudice'
unless you meant an AU scenario where he wasnt wrinkled
dull flint
unless you meant an AU scenario where he wasnt wrinkled
god i hope there is one
still parrot
geez what is your damn beef with dabi anyway? it sounds like you hate him
dull flint
i do 
still parrot
Ok then considering this is a thread about him but hey you do you 🤷♀️
lean gust
hating him is valid
still parrot
Hmm how so? I mean dabi's reasons are rather valid at first
deep jay
he really is choosing death
still parrot
Although ill admit him choosing death is kinda crazy but in a twisted way he does have a point as twisted and crazy as it seems but I just pity him Really
deep jay
yh same
spiral jolt
however, that still doesnt change my opinion <:InkoSip:841746311275479121>
me either. I hate dabi
brazen glen
If Dabi dies, wouldn't shed a tear
Shiggys backstory is more gut wrenching, if he die as he is a pawn and consumed by hate
That'll be sad
hearty nexus
That is true, shiggy's story HURTS
pearl bronze
Shiggys backstory is more gut wrenching, if he die as he is a pawn and consumed ...
Shiggys chances of dieing are higher than Dabi's tho
brazen glen
Shiggys chances of dieing are higher than Dabi's tho
Idk man, cause they actually talked about saving shiggy with option of death
Dabi has a vague approach, like "we'll handle this"
pearl bronze
Well ch 299-303 is with the intention of bringing Toya back to the family
Vs Shigaraki sort of has the whole starwars ending set up
pearl bronze
Yeah but why would Shoto fail?
brazen glen
Cause he not the MC
He ain't got that type of plot armor buddy
Ur not that guy pal
Either way, shiggy or Dabi one will die.
If hori really wanna pull through on OFA purpose of destroying AFO
Shiggy probably gonna be saved through death
But pls let Dabi blow up in a fiery ball of karma death
pearl bronze
Sure Shoto isn't the MC but would be a bit weird to set up Shoto as the "family hero" and have 0 outcome for it
Like Endeavor dies = family is in shambles since not even Natsou wants him dead
Dabi dies = family also left broken in shambles and missing a son all of them regret not doing more for him
spiral jolt
Honestly, I see Dabi dying cause he's literally asking to be killed
deep jay
id say endeavour death will not have that much significant impact
pearl bronze
For the family? Todorokis wouldn't recover from it
brazen glen
Bruh rankings are meaningless now
sonic stirrup
A hero as relevant as endeavor dying at this point would be really demoralizing
Regardless of ranking
brazen glen
Don't think endeavour carrying that kind of clout rn
Endeavor death?
Nah he has some clout
But very little
spiral jolt
Endeavor death would be very bad imo
brazen glen
If endeavour died to Dabi it would probably be because he let him
Idk how Dabi can hang with shoto
Dabi stronger then shoto
If he somehow hangs with both shoto and Endeavour at the same time it's a L in story consistency
Or do u mean co exist with him
Or fight
Strength wise
Bruh ehat
Dqbi stronger then shoto
Yh which is weird
Endeavor is stronger rather dabi
It's like Dabis own phsyical limits and quirk downside barely matters anymore
sonic stirrup
His nerves were burned long ago
brazen glen
So he can spam flames no issue cause he don't have the nerves to feel pain.
sonic stirrup
The fact that he was willing to do a prominemce burn attests to it
neon steppe
i want to see toya die in the end
like as a representation of the hero system changing
it would be really sad, but i feel like it makes sense
it would be very dramatic and make us all cry, in classic dabi fashion
spiral jolt
all cry is a overstatement
deep jay
it would be very dramatic and make us all cry, in classic dabi fashion
WHYYYYY....
that makes sense but i dont wanna see him go....
development
neon steppe
lmao*
deep jay
idk about endeavour though. toya already died to endeavour. at this point he'll feel guilty but i mean hes already been feeling guilty recently
hes not iredeemable
its so hard to pinpoint enji
neon steppe
well i think endeavor is a product of hero society
deep jay
you cant forgive him but you cant kill him either
neon steppe
he was twisted into a terrible, power hungry person because of it
deep jay
its lit a forked road but you cant decide
spiral jolt
You can forgive endeavor more than dabi
neon steppe
i don't think i can forgive either
deep jay
im not sure about that
neon steppe
they're just tragic characters to me, both terrible people who are the result of the same system
deep jay
being product of society is just half of it. he still did all that stuff while being an adult
toya on the other hand can be argued that he was a kid.
neon steppe
yeah
i think toyas potential death and endeavor's atonement are two sides to the same coin
moving on from the old ways of hero society
all mights potential death could be thrown in there too
and stains reappearance
neon steppe
spiral jolt
why?
deep jay
dont
spiral jolt
I kinda wanna know
deep jay
its stupid
brazen glen
Sometimes I wish Dabi just accidentally killed fuyuumi or natsuo when he was a kid
Then he has more of a thing to stand on, instead of being butthurt that endeavour stopped Training him.
copper stirrup
Being a butthurt loser is his whole vibe
mystic oar
Sometimes I wish Dabi just accidentally killed fuyuumi or natsuo when he was a k...
killing would be a little much in my opinion
Maybe he gave one of them a permanent burn mark or something
or just hurt them
pearl bronze
What would that accomplish story wise?
sonic stirrup
Adds to physical family scars
sonic stirrup
That can always change
pearl bronze
....no Fuyumi will be fine
sonic stirrup
Nothing is fine in this family
polar raptor
you cant forgive him but you cant kill him either
I can forgive endeavor more than dabi
polar raptor
You can forgive endeavor more than dabi
Exactly
deep jay
I can forgive endeavor more than dabi
you kinda cant
pearl bronze
Why not
spiral jolt
you can
deep jay
i mean ive posted it so many times
crimes of endeavour are far worse then dabi's crimes imo
not counting just numbers
sonic stirrup
Forgiving endeavor should be easier as he's taken steps to bein a better person for some time now
spiral jolt
^
deep jay
Forgiving endeavor should be easier as he's taken steps to bein a better person ...
atm
same can be said for dabi given time
spiral jolt
Dabi is not gonna be a better person.
deep jay
endeavour only really started to 'repent' during s4
spiral jolt
It's obvious
spiral jolt
No
deep jay
no
spiral jolt
he's not
deep jay
he's not as well
sonic stirrup
same can be said for dabi given time
Sure but as of right now one is trying for better and one isn't and wants to burn bridges
spiral jolt
Stryker completely forgetting development exists
deep jay
cutefly completely forgetting dabi development exists in bnha
spiral jolt
I haven't seen any.
sonic stirrup
spiral jolt
Literally none.
deep jay
you might wanna read bnha again then
spiral jolt
He gained like zero in the villain arc
spiral jolt
That's not development
deep jay
is it not?
spiral jolt
That's literally "hey look im toya and im gonna throw a fit"
deep jay
thats not what iwas refering to
spiral jolt
What else? Him nearly killing hawks?
deep jay
the whole flashbacks
and that in itself is development. its like naruto becoming hokage
toya becoming dabi
and us finding out
is that not development?
spiral jolt
And? it's not making him develop his character - his character went backwards
quite literally went backwards
deep jay
quite the opposite
spiral jolt
No, it's the truth
spiral jolt
All we can tell from that flashbacks is Dabi is a spoiled brat
that wanted everything his way
deep jay
we kenw he was a brat trying to get attention
spiral jolt
and he's literally doing it now
there's no development being made
He's the same as he was
deep jay
that wanted everything his way
you must be an endeavour stan if youre failing to ignore all the horrible stuff hes done
spiral jolt
I'm not
deep jay
its LIT his fault
spiral jolt
It's not.
deep jay
enji's
deep jay
a kid doesnt fully choose his path
spiral jolt
toya was stubborn
spiral jolt
He wanted to be a hero so bad he burned himself with his quirk
spiral jolt
That's not really character development if he's exactly the same in nature..
as he was a kid...
spiral jolt
He's literally has the same mentality, except he wants to kill people to prove a point
spiral jolt
And?
spiral jolt
Yet he's acting like a literal child over it
deep jay
when you tell them to lit stop the one thing they wanna do, they throw a fit and do even more of that
spiral jolt
Dabi is immature
deep jay
and enji being father of the yr decided to just ignore him and focus on his selfish abusive desires
which led to toya going berserk
toya cant stop himself cuz hes a kid not an adult. he doesnt know boundaries
or proper morals and all
on the other hand
enji DOES. he looks up to enji
the one figure who threw him aside. all advice he gave was 'stop'
thats not much
deep jay
.....be a father
literally the opposite of what he is now
do i have to recap the stuff hes done?
deep jay
mass murderer with a traumatic past vs a guy whos repenting all the horrible disgusting stuff hes done only after its biting him back, yes
spiral jolt
Man, you're gonna love the real world then
deep jay
id choose the mass murderer. though if dabi werent there
id be rooting for enji
if he was a bit not too late, id be full enji
spiral jolt
Honestly, I'd prefered if Dabi didn't simply exist
deep jay
id prefer if enji also didnt exist, we'd have a happy family. just like that vision enji saw with TODOROKI SMILING
AU without enji
even if dabi werent there, wed still have the same family condition as now
as long as enji is there, this is the result
spiral jolt
You sound like your annoyed that Endeavor has character development
deep jay
am i?
spiral jolt
Yes
spiral jolt
TBH, everytime I menitioned Endeavor you seem to get really mad
so like okay i guess
sonic fjord
Poggers
pearl bronze
spiral jolt
was the ping really needed
deep jay
oh sorry
pine lantern
maybe it is late to give an opinion but I think dabi has a great story however there is not much character development because his ideals are very high is why I think he would not forgive his father but if something happened throughout the manga
pine lantern
I know, I don't say that's why I say it because something is going to happen between them 2 or their family and the
deep jay
are other languages allowed here?
pine lantern
sorry in general I speak Spanish so I don't know how to write quite well
pine lantern
I think I don't know, and sorry if it bothers you, I will use a translator
deep jay
nah it doesnt bother me
its just server rules. you can get reported so i'm just looking out for you
pine lantern
thank you very much, I will be careful I just wanted to try something new since from bnha there are no servers in Spanish