AOTD (July 15th, 2025)

[white rapids]

Keep it Safe for Work

[rare geyser]

judy hops

[livid quiver]

venssa from fnaf

[deft steppe]

uhh

idk many facts HELP

💔

[rare geyser]

fr

[drifting ether]

Vanessa from Fnaf

[ebon rapids]

omg vanny

[drifting ether]

DAMNIT

[sharp sun]

VANESSA

[livid quiver]

YEAH

[sharp sun]

GRGRR

[rare geyser]

lmao

[livid quiver]

VANESSA I LOVE YOU

[deft steppe]

umm you sweat like 14litres every day??

[drifting ether]

GGRRRRRRR

[deft steppe]

idk if thats fun or not 💔

[rare geyser]

white woman jumpscare

[sonic loom]

There’s a new theory that our universe is inside a black hole

[jade lily]

my most obsecure face?

[deft steppe]

and the other one i know is nsfw 💔

[rare geyser]

face😭

[deft steppe]

sigghh

[halcyon stump]

I can appear young but also old in a way

[tall bone]

If you go to cali youre more likely to get bitten by a new yorker than a shark

[ebon rapids]

KAITO PFP SPOTTED

[drifting ether]

https://tenor.com/view/white-woman-jumpscare-fnaf-security-breach-security-breach-vanessa-white-woman-gif-24205880

[mild fjord]

YOUR FEET ARE THE SAME LENGTH AS YOUR FOREARMS.

[livid quiver]

LOOK AT HER.

[jade lily]

sup

[deft steppe]

AAAA

[rare geyser]

oh my

[dusty thicket]

FNAF security breach vannesa

[past crystal]

FNAF?!

[azure bone]

Mini game it’s the bunny from zootopia idrk

[past crystal]

WOAJ

WOAH

[livid quiver]

what does obscure mean again?...

[spice plume]

Uhhhhhhh
Dolphins are very very very very not nice, especially to their own

[fallen nacelle]

niche

[trail dust]

not well known

[nimble lodge]

There is a 13 year gap between Disney Villain songs between Hunchback of Notre Dame's Hellfire and Princess and the Frog's Friends on the Other Side

[jade lily]

i have a REALLY obscure fact, but its gross and probably NOT oki doki to be saying here lol 😅

[livid quiver]

oh.

[hollow oracle]

Judy Hopps from Zootopia

[fervent frost]

Its super easy to brake a ligament in your hand.

[jade lily]

gotta come up with another one...

[fallen nacelle]

this is pretty common now but eggs can be substituted with human blood in baking as it contains the same proteins. it has no effect on taste.

[fervent frost]

Say it for the funnys

[sage steppe]

Judy doesn’t carry a knife

[azure bone]

That I might be gay (lesbian/sapphic to me)/jk

[sage steppe]

It’s Vanessa

[jade lily]

i might have to go over the rules

[past crystal]

GRAH HAMILTON AND ALL MIGHT MENTIONED

[sage steppe]

Anyways

[sweet cargo]

Its not obscure as much as it is a semi-debunking, but a lot of people when i say i like vampires tell me that they would be visible in modern mirrors because they don’t have silver in them but that’s only semi-true because there are multiple iterations and variants of vampires, where one person would say “they would be seen cuz mirrors dont have silver anymore!” Another could say they still wouldn’t be able to be seen because they don’t have souls and both would be correct

[jade lily]

I MIGHT BE IN THE CLEAR

[sage steppe]

No

Don’t say it if it’s inappropriate

[fervent frost]

Say it 🙏

[trail cradle]

The Dancing Plague of 1518 involved people literally dancing themselves to death.

[sage steppe]

I remember that

[livid quiver]

Fun fact: George washingtonWashington's body was almost buried in the Capitol. But becuase george washington asked to be burried at Mount Vernon, he got burried at Mount Vernon. (I know im so cool)

[sage steppe]

Dont say it.

[fervent frost]

HUH

[jade lily]

(its a technicallity not that much of a fact)

[sage steppe]

Keep it sfw

[jade lily]

not even joking

[supple axle]

Even though the PIE (Proto-Indo-European) word for bear was (to our best reconstructions,) "H₂ŕ̥tḱos," a fair amount of PIE descendent languages, including the germanic languages and to my knowledge the slavic ones, the word for bear is completely different. This is because it seems the ancient Proto-Indo-European people had formed a superstition against saying the word, for they believed it would summon a bear. Like a jinx situation. Thus they tiptoed around it in areas where bears were a real threat calling them names like "brown one." This did not see as drastic a shift in latin however, as they lived in an area without as much fear around bears.

[trail cradle]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[nimble lodge]

Not counting Pixar

There are only 4 Disney protagonists that wear Glasses

1. Ace "Chicken Little" Cluck (that is his actual name btw) from Chicken Little

2. Milo Thatch from Atlantis

3. Lewis Robinson from Meet The Robinsons

4. And Mirabel Madrigal from Encanto

[crimson terrace]

The human eye can see more shades of green than any other color

[fervent frost]

I am now wondering what part cuz the hell

[jade lily]

i could dm it

[sage steppe]

Better that than here

Little weirdos

[livid quiver]

Isnt this mirabels glasses?

[fervent frost]

Sure lol

[regal pumice]

Schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders tend to affect women/AFAB folks (anyone who produces estrogen really) later in life and less severely on average because estrogen modulates dopamine activity, especially in regions of the brain linked to psychosis.

[nimble lodge]

If you keep sending disturbing images I am calling a staff member

[livid quiver]

I ASKED SMT...

[white rapids]

@jade lily I said keep it SFW now didn't I

[sage steppe]

Fr

[fervent frost]

Fun

[livid quiver]

I ASKED IF THAT WAS MIRABLES GLASSES

SORRY FOR ASKING?

but i cant get a better pic

[keen jolt]

"New car smell" is the scent of dozens of chemicals

[jade lily]

😵‍💫 yes sir

[sage steppe]

Atoms can’t be destroyed or created

[white rapids]

Don't try to even say it vaguely if it's NSFW. It's as simple as that

[fervent frost]

Is this sfw?

[white rapids]

Yes?

[trail dust]

water is drinkable

[sage steppe]

💀

[nimble lodge]

😐 I'm not looking at that image again to answer that question

[fervent frost]

Yippie

[bitter swan]

did you know your bones glow inside your body?

[crimson terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/reginald-angry-eating-angry-eating-monster-house-gif-20013301

[livid quiver]

Dawg... you also said "if you KEEP"... wdym keep?

[fervent frost]

NOOOO

[nimble lodge]

You've done it before

[crimson terrace]

P R O T E I N

[livid quiver]

It was 1 other pic...

[nimble lodge]

It was more than once but whatever

[livid quiver]

That's not KEEP

[livid quiver]

No 1 other time where i was asked

[fervent frost]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-knight-gif-10095168295952009600

[jade lily]

I have given you the answer to what body part can stretch

[nimble lodge]

You were asked once some other time to stop but that same day you sent like 3 creepy images

That's by definition more than once

[livid quiver]

It's a roblox avatar so live with it being my avatar...

[jade lily]

Check ur DMs

[spiral coral]

vanny?

[sage steppe]

Correct

[spiral coral]

nvm im too late

[sage steppe]

🤷

[regal pumice]

obscure fact that really shouldn't be so obscure, PTSD has been proven to be more common in women/afab folks. I thought it was more common in men for YEARS, only recently did i figure out it wasn't more common

[livid quiver]

I send them before I was asked to stop.

[crimson terrace]

The ears? They can't stop growing

[nimble lodge]

Great you were asked to stop

[jade lily]

No no, in another context

Hang on…

[livid quiver]

You're the only one who's scared of it...

Not even disturbing...

[nimble lodge]

And youre annoying

[jade lily]

It was deleted

[crimson terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fish-looking-phone-disappointment-gif-23326574

Man stop

[livid quiver]

Good opinion cause I think that too of you

[jade lily]

Sorry sorry

[nimble lodge]

Great so stop continuing the conversation

[fervent frost]

Btw If I had my pc rn i would edit a image of your pfp in a electric chair or a diffrent form of execution.

[crimson terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-beast-good-boy-mr-beast-good-boy-gif-18819841

[livid quiver]

If you don't want it to continue then don't talk about it. Easy peasy

[crimson terrace]

Thank you

[jade lily]

EW

[nimble lodge]

I'll just block you cause you're kinda a jerk

[livid quiver]

Already blocked you

[hollow temple]

did you know there are some cats that glow due to genetic modifications

[nimble lodge]

which ones?

[hollow temple]

there were these cats that were engineered with jellyfish dna 😳

[nimble lodge]

Fair lol

[ornate jetty]

The voted number one you for kids to play with is apparently the cardboard box, the thing on the end of a shoelace is called an aglet, can openers are being used wrong like 90 percent of the time because it's meant to pop the lid off entirely, that's all I can think of rinow

[bitter swan]

oo no i didn't know that

[hazy bison]

don’t have any facts but that’s pretty cool

[nimble lodge]

I pet a jellyfish once god they're so squishy

[hazy bison]

omg

i wanna pet a jellyfish

[ornate jetty]

Oh!

Wait I just remembered

[nimble lodge]

It was at an aquarium!

[ornate jetty]

Alot of humans have stripes and patterns like cats do but we can't see them

[hazy bison]

ooooo i’ve only ever pet a stingray but next time i go to an aquarium im gonna try and pet jellyfish (because some are soooo pretty and cute)

[nimble lodge]

Ikr!!

[scarlet tundra]

VANNY!!!

[nimble lodge]

Like if lethal why cute???

[ember dawn]

Unsure

[hazy bison]

exactly

if so cute why can i get stung

[frozen gorge]

It takes 300 milliseconds for the average human eye to fully understand an image.

[livid quiver]

Do yall like Mr. Bald and Mr. Ham?

[wispy basalt]

Wolf pups are born deaf and blind with blue eyes.

[nimble lodge]

Papyrus has the most amount of dialogue outside of the Narrator in Undertale and double the amount of likes as Undyne who comes in third

He also changes dialogue depending on if Sans is nearby or not

[wispy basalt]

And J from MD has more dialogue in a commercial for merch than in the actual series 😭

[nimble lodge]

SHE REALLY DOES

JUSTICE FOR J

I watched MD for Cyn actually

[potent seal]

you can die from a simple neck pop

[livid quiver]

Fun fact about my avatar that not many knows about! His name is Bobby and I made him because he reminds me of my personality online! And that people should keep smiling and enjoy their life!

• I didn't have more robux for a new avatar...

[left robin]

That super slick feeling when you get pure bleach on your skin is because the bleach literally dissolves the top layer of dead skin and basically turns it into soap :D

[nimble lodge]

Jesus i dont mess with bleach so this is absolutely news to me

[livid quiver]

Now I'm scared of using soap...

[crimson terrace]

Most laugh tracks were recorded in the 1950's. You literally hear dead people laugh.

[stoic musk]

The same japanese VA for Anby Demara from Zenless Zone Zero plays Anya Forger from Spy X Family, Frieren from Frieren: Beyond Journey's End and Lady Nagant from My Hero Academia

[nimble lodge]

She has RANGE

[stoic musk]

In addition, the same japanese VA for Hugo from Zenless Zone Zero plays Lelouch from Code Geass and Joker from Persona

[nimble lodge]

My friend just found out the English VA for AFO is the same VA for Lord Death from Soul Eater lol

[stoic musk]

Also

[quasi gate]

WHAT THATS CRAZY

[stoic musk]

The same japanese VA for Ellen Joe plays Momo from Dandadan and Annerose from Eminence in Shadow

[nimble lodge]

YEA AND Ochako's VA is Medusa from Soul Eater

[stoic musk]

Im not done

[nimble lodge]

Pls continue c:

[quasi gate]

I guess you learn new stuff everyday 🙏

[stoic musk]

Same japanese VA for Rina from Zenless Zone Zero plays Beatrice from Re: Zero and (i think) Remilia Scarlet from Touhou

[crimson terrace]

she's also Gabi in AOT

[stoic musk]

Whichever twin has blue hair

I forget

[quasi gate]

The range of these VA's are crazy

[stoic musk]

This is the most surprising one

[livid quiver]

Did you guys know the same person who voices all might dub also voices vegeta and zoro?

[stoic musk]

Same japanese VA for Astra Yao from ZZZ plays Shoko from jujutsu kaisen

AND

KID GILGAMESH

FROM FATE

YES GILGAMESH AS IN

[quasi gate]

WHAT

[stoic musk]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-gif-14407524146701065386

[quasi gate]

BRO 😭

My friend is gonna hear about all of this

Brb I'ma harass him

[floral rock]

That's insane

[stoic musk]

Wait

Im still not done

[floral rock]

Did y'all know that a tumor can grow eyes and teeth

[livid quiver]

He also voices yami sukehiro

[silk plume]

The reason that stabbing vampires with a wooden stake works in the myths is because during the vampire hysteria it brought people peace of mind seeing what they feared getting impaled, but it also represents pinning the vampire’s soul down, because one of the versions of how people could became vampires was if their soul stayed or they lacked a purpose when they were alive and stuff, basically their soul was kind of “loose” in a way

[molten field]

Eeewwwwwww

[nimble lodge]

The only reason why Makoto in the Danganompa anime was played by his video game VA was cause he was already in the studio recording for something else. While all other characters were recasted

[floral rock]

🥰🥰🥰🥰

[quasi gate]

Holy crap these facts are crazy

[molten field]

I want to stop existing after finding that out 😭

[stoic musk]

Same japanese va for zhu yuan from zzz plays momo from mha, tohka from date a live and maki's sister from jjk

[quasi gate]

Typo is crazy

[native quarry]

If you took the entire history of earth and crammed it into an hour humans would only appear in the last second

[nimble lodge]

A good chunk of the main cast of Miraculous Ladybug VAs are also in Seven Deadly Sins

[quasi gate]

Maki's sister 😭 she doesn't have a name no more

Lowk I forgot her name also

[stoic musk]

Do you want a really surprising one

[crimson terrace]

also Armin in AOT

[floral rock]

Not-so-disturbing fact:
Genetically engineered catgirls are actually possible, but scientists lack funds for it

[molten field]

Vegetables are only a culinary term and not a real classification. Fruit is a food term and a scientific group, grains are, dairy is, and protein is a scientific classification too, vegetable is not.

[stoic musk]

Same japanese va for miyabi from zzz plays that girl who is the ultimate singer or wtv from danganronpa v2

[quasi gate]

Being a seven deadly sins fan I like this 🙏

[nimble lodge]

Every day I remember they changed the animation studio is a day i cry

[quasi gate]

YES

[stoic musk]

The one with black, pink and blue hair

And white highlights

[nimble lodge]

Like god it looks horrendous now

Did not stop me from buying Escanor's axe at a con tho

[quasi gate]

Ibuki?

[floral rock]

Another interesting fact:
The most expensive substance known to man is antimatter. It costs 67.2 trillion dollars (I believe) to produce a single gram of it (3.3 ounces for Americans like me)

[stoic musk]

Yea

[quasi gate]

My pookie 🙏

[stoic musk]

BUT WAIT

THERE IS MORE

[livid quiver]

Did yall also know the Japanese va of izuku midoriya also voices a few pokemons and also the room phone? (Which is also technically a pokemon)

[nimble lodge]

THERE'S MORE?!

[stoic musk]

the same japanese va for yanagi from zzz plays

[floral rock]

Fun fact: peanuts are actually vegetables

[stoic musk]

Robin from honkai star rail

Uta from one piece

[nimble lodge]

Noooo impossible

[stoic musk]

Invisible girl from mha

[quasi gate]

WHATTTT

[stoic musk]

Aurora from eminence in shaodw

Shadow

AND

Mt.lady from mha

[quasi gate]

Holy range 😭

[floral rock]

Yes 🥰

[crimson terrace]

Aren't peanuts legumes?

[stoic musk]

OH

And fredreica from re zero

[livid quiver]

Now do the veggie dance 💃

[quasi gate]

Also should I get into "honkai star rail"? How good is it?

[stoic musk]

And some fate characters too

[floral rock]

That's Portuguese for vegetables

[molten field]

That's a cool fact

[stuck mountain]

Snakes lack the chemical to feel love

[stoic musk]

If you are wanting to play, play now and grind so you can get a free op dps 5 star

[stoic musk]

Aka archer

[floral rock]

Fun fact: I'm tetralinguistic

[livid quiver]

How I love this pic...

[stuck mountain]

FIVE LANGUAGES DANG

[stoic musk]

Anywat

[crimson terrace]

?

[quasi gate]

Ok I'll prob get it today

Lol

[floral rock]

Four actually, but thanks 😁

[floral rock]

Same thing

[stoic musk]

Same japanese va for soukaku plays the old guy who turns female in guilty gear strive and that witch girl from touhou

[stuck mountain]

Wait I thought tetra...nvm im dum

[floral rock]

The old guy who does what now

[crimson terrace]

But... peanuts are legumes, not vegetables

[floral rock]

It's alr
My languages are:
English, Portuguese, Spanish, and Japanese

[floral rock]

Legumes and vegetables are the same thing

[stoic musk]

Yea im not kidding

[floral rock]

._.

[stuck mountain]

Dang...

[stoic musk]

An old guy turns into a young female and she is actually op in guilty gear strive

I once saw a video of a guy impersonating as a vtuber in a ggs tournament using that character and dominated everyone

(He was also like top 3 best of that character)

[floral rock]

Fun fact: without WW2, the internet would've never been a thing (not saying I support evil mustache man)

[livid quiver]

How I love my life...

[stoic musk]

Fun fact: without stresemann germany might have never recovered from hyperinflation

[nimble lodge]

Zeus in Greek Mythology does not have the most partners.

Its actually Poseidon.

[crimson terrace]

Where'd you get that info dude? They're both completely different things

[nimble lodge]

I think its a language thing

[floral rock]

Roblox was originally meant to be called Dynablocks

[livid quiver]

Ik...

[stoic musk]

Here is a REALLY good one

[left robin]

Lol, its not all soap, just the super strong chemicals like bleach. Regular hand soap and hair/body wash and stuff is fine :3

[livid quiver]

That turtles can breath through their butt's? - olaf

[floral rock]

Idk maybe I'm wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️

[nimble lodge]

Your pfp is cute

I need to change mine

[stoic musk]

Same japanese va for soldier 11 from Zz plays masha from alya sometimes speaks in russian, that weird nerdy girl from komi cant communicate and the female twin from re zero

[livid quiver]

I might change my pfp... should I?

I think it's time for a new era

[floral rock]

Weird nerdy girl doesn't narrow it down that much

[floral rock]

Whatcha gonna change it to

[livid quiver]

Possibly this..

[stoic musk]

The one whose always like "i wanna be trampled on by komi" or wtv

[floral rock]

Fun fact:
While Finland is considered the happiest country on earth, it's also considered the most racist

[livid quiver]

Did that spoiler yall?

[floral rock]

You mean Himiko Agari?

[nimble lodge]

Wut

[livid quiver]

They also have the best tap water in the Nordic countries

[floral rock]

Or so I've heard at least

[stoic musk]

Yea her

[floral rock]

Good God please don't

[livid quiver]

Why not?..😔

I'm changing it

[floral rock]

NOOOO SHE'S MY FAVORITE CHARACTER WHY YOU GOTTA INSULT HER LIKE THAT 😭😭

[livid quiver]

There we go...

[stoic musk]

She is so weird im sorry

Its impossible to like her

[floral rock]

BUT SHE'S SHY AND SUPER CUTE

😭

[stoic musk]

In other news

[floral rock]

And she humgry all the time

She's my favorite

But alright, you do you

[stoic musk]

Madoka Magica movie set to release february 2026

[floral rock]

Fun fact: Cars 2 is an underrated masterpiece

[unique axle]

I was so late 😭 I was getting acupuncture

[stoic musk]

Aha here is one

Same Japanese va for burnice white plays

https://tenor.com/view/kobeni-chainsaw-man-kobeni-hat-chainsaw-man-kobeni-csm-kobeni-gif-27134854

[floral rock]

People only say it's bad because it differs so much from the first movie. If it was a standalone movie it would've been much more well-acclaimed by the critics

[floral rock]

KOBENI

[nimble lodge]

Kinda is tbh. I actually really like the character development there for Mater

Probably shouldve just been a Mater movie tho

[floral rock]

The only bad thing is that McQueen barely does anything

[stoic musk]

Oh and

[nimble lodge]

Hes there for the meme that is "You're RIGHT Mater! You ARE the Bomb!"

[stoic musk]

Same japanese va for grace plays a valorant character

💀

[floral rock]

LMAO FR

[stoic musk]

Same japanese va for Ben Bigger (not n word its literally his name just wanna specify) plays Killer from One piece

OH my god

Same japanese va for Johan's sister from Monster plays Elsa from Re zero

Wtf

[proper adder]

im actually so excited oh my god

[crimson terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-walter-white-walter-white-absolute-cinema-white-walter-absolute-gif-10929974052418095046

[stoic musk]

Last fact from me

Same Japanese va for sister iris from Fire Force plays that bubbly, pink haired girl from Horimiya and Sakura Airi from Classroom of the Elite

Anyway do i get a Reze (csm) profile on

[stoic musk]

Actually

Do we want umamusume va facts

[wispy citrus]

Squids in Minecraft used to be milkeable

[stoic musk]

I'll take that as a yes !

So first off: same va for oguri cap plays kid gojo from my dress up darling and Ruby pre-reincarnation

Actually nah too bored

[unreal hazel]

Tetoris is officially the number one Teto song

[upper epoch]

venti’s japanese va is a guy

[smoky arch]

Idk

[quasi seal]

JUDY HOPPS

[latent prism]

The reason stuff is louder at night is because of temperature

[royal hound]

I literally can't say the most obscure fact I know bc of the server rules

So you get the next available one

During my ultrasound, the doctors thought I was a girl and thus my mom had a baby shower for a girl, but I'm a guy.

[raw field]

Flies puke on everything they land on idk

[royal hound]

Biologically I mean

Cause I'm GenderFluid-Bigender/Trigender and go back and forth between masc and fem based on several things including mood and emotions

[chilly finch]

I'll give my favorite fact. In 1866, Lichtenstein sent out 80 men to participate in the Austro-Prussian war. When the soldiers came back, they had come back with 81 men. This is the last time that Lichtenstein participated in any war as they disbanded their army in 1868

[inner fiber]

Honey doesn't spoil, archeologisys have found pots of honey in ancient Egyptian tombs being over 3000 years old and still perfectly edible

[safe bluff]

Wasn’t it just a random farmer they bought back?

[safe bluff]

Neither does wine, I’m pretty sure

[inner fiber]

I believe youre correct on that, I could be wrong tho

[chilly finch]

There's no confirmation about who he was. I've found some sources say it was an Austrian liaison officer, some say he was an Italian defector and others say he was a farmer. I don't think anyone can agree

[chilly finch]

I searched it up. Wine can spoil but not in the way other things spoil. It won't make you sick if you drink it after it spoils, but it won't taste good. It'll taste sour, vinegary or metallic. It'll also smell like rotten eggs or like moldy musty vinegar

[inner fiber]

Ohhhh okay that makes plenty of sense

[west totem]

If you put raw bacon up your nose, it can stop nosebleeds

[chilly finch]

Who the heck thought to do this!?

[west totem]

Idk, I read it in a book

:P

[tight cloud]

I guess that Aizawa is 6 ft.

[night cypress]

Blood can replace eggs in baking?

[cosmic brook]

Uhhh idk either that honey cant spoil or all of the vestiges names

[woeful swift]

when you wake up in the morning you are taller than at night because throughout the day your spine compresses, and it decompresses in your sleep.

[woeful swift]

i see that ranboo tag

hello fellow boober

[tight cloud]

HI!

[tight cloud]

Would u like to be friends?

[woeful swift]

i dont really add strangers, sorry!!

[stable monolith]

Not too random, I think most ppl know this but otters hold hands when they sleep so they don't drift away

[plush cargo]

Some frog sounds can be heard from a mile away

[dull isle]

You need 320 babies’ blood to make an iron sword

[real zinc]

SPIDERS HAVE PAWS

[safe fiber]

Identical twins don't have the same fingerprints

[lunar osprey]

When an astronaut returns from space, their space suits smell like burnt steak and welding fumes

[wispy basalt]

The same English VA for Shoto mha is the same English VA for Teru Minamoto from tbhk

[sonic herald]

Stale bread can be made edible again by heating it in a microwave with a damp paper towel 🍞

[languid fern]

umm i think most of the dust you breathe in in public spaces is dead skin from other people??

[hidden phoenix]

Your brain could literally kill you from sleep deprivation

[quaint gust]

Humans can’t walk in straight lines without looking at something!! :)