Yes, everything
#feedback-readonly
sacred sable
quaint bramble
I wanna say, that will never happen...
Agree on making them custom only though, lemme check if thats been posted to #feedback-devs before 
@sacred sable How about I post something like "since there is so many zombie nerf ideas already and nothing has changed, can we move zombies to being a custom games-only role"
and stick your name on that đ
austere relic
@normal wyvern its if you already answered the questions and you write something to the bot
normal wyvern
You need to contact a mod+ if you have problems with it, so staff member is correct
echo aspen
@vale gyro @runic dragon @mighty birch @latent saddle and others, you voted "Please solve boosting, but don't limit games per hour". Why?
latent saddle
i dont have other game to play so i cant play only 20 games of wwo and get bored rest of day
runic dragon
Because if other players do happen to get through quick paced games I could see this becoming an issue in not being able to play.
Unless I misunderstood how u were planning on implementing it
latent saddle
You can set limit players can join lobby 
echo aspen
Hm, doesn't it then just depend on the limit? Let's say the limit is 30 per hour. To break the limit you would need to finish 30 games within the end of the first (!!!) day. So unless you are cheating, you'll never hit that limit đ€·
runic dragon
Yeah something like could work
vale gyro
Same here, yeah. I sometimes have games which only last a day or two (fool/hh win). And those take almost no time. I don't want to get restricted just because our village isn't good.
runic dragon
Would have to do some testing tho to find a good average
latent saddle
Ohh per hour 
i thought per day
Then its fine 
runic dragon
Also how would suicides count into this system?
latent saddle
U will get ban first
rigid bronze
You'd get banned anyway
mighty birch
@echo aspen sometimes it's you as regular player get into a few games where people are idiots not smart and just vote on fool or hh target (different players each game, checked that) and then you go through 4 games in like 15m with eas
runic dragon
That's the thing I was scared of^
vale gyro
^^^
rigid bronze
Still, 4 games in 15 mins is only 16 games per hour
echo aspen
^
vale gyro
It's just an example. You could probably get up to 20 games a hour in unlucky situations.
mighty birch
I know also to be discussed but I got this channel muted so I missed this discussion chat
runic dragon
I guess it's very unlikely for you to reach that limit
Ima switch the vote
Ooo games that end on first day
Yeah that makes sense and works well
forest rover
@echo aspen sorry for the ping but what about instead of making a limit of games/hour,I would make a limit where you can still playing but without receiving xp.
vale gyro
Something like 30 per minute is fine, i guess. As long as it doesn't impact a normal player it's ok ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
runic dragon
Much more clear
mighty birch
Idk if that would be easier for them or better to be explained @forest rover
forest rover
Because being not able to play doesnât seem a good option imo...
vale gyro
Yikes from me.
Imagine playing to get some exp and then you don't get exp. Wasted time
mighty birch
@echo aspen what would the limit of games per hour probably be?
runic dragon
But it's also games that end on first day
He just made an edit
That's very unlikely
mighty birch
Nvm... that ping... I'm slow today 
runic dragon
Still even tho a lot of grinders cant kill all was and solo day 1
mighty birch
Switched my vote
runic dragon
Same^
echo aspen
30 is probably a bit high actually. Game lasts at least 2 min before fool / HH can be killed. Factor in the time to start / join a game and you are probably somewhere at 140 seconds at a mininum?
That's 25 games if you have a fool / HH kill every time.
So maybe something like 20?
forest rover
Also add the time of double xp add ^
mighty birch
15 games would be 1 every 4 minute
forest rover
I would say that 15 games as limit but once you reach that limit you can still be playing but not receiving xp.That seems fair imo.
runic dragon
Or around that
vale gyro
15 sounds very low.
mighty birch
@echo aspen I (and I think a few others) think 15 is also maybe good
You spend 30seconds in night 1, 1 minute for a day cycle.....
sacred sable
My question on the current vote:
Why does this even matter tbqh?
It's mostly in custom, levels barely do anything and all they're doing is hurting their learning and artificially rasing their winrate and unlocking stuff they won't use (IE the masks, etc requiring say, lvl20 > 40 > 80 to purchase )
Unless someone is trying to say that they boost to that 90% winrate and level 4000+ so they can rub it in others' faces?.
mighty birch
đ€·đ»ââïž
sacred sable
And seeing how bp shows "average xp per hour"
xp cap be like, double that
If you're making like 2000xp an hour, I'd like to think something's going on there
Or you just makage to finish every game with a ww/solo win in 2 days >>
quaint bramble
Boosting is specifically the type thats not in custom, the type that is done mch faster than 5 mins...
so yeah it does affect winrates and xp gains a lot
sacred sable
Ngl
The largest group I've seen outside of custom is like, 6 people
In the same clan
And that makes it so very much obvious that they're usually cheating/boosting for xp and clan quests
quaint bramble
Again, thats not the topic... they are 16 people playing in quick/sb by themselves, and cheating to finish the games asap.. you could ask in questions if youre not sure whats going on ^^
quaint bramble
Well I think you know what it means now, so if you still have anything to add, you can do that
but if it's more of this vague dismissive stuff then please ask your questions first, so you understand the issue before you comment any further on it
mighty birch
Just saying.... I tend to play with clan members too and we never clan team... and we can get up to 6 players too
sacred sable
No, I'll add this to my list of topics to not talk about
Right up there with Ranked.
mighty birch
People Always assume that clan=teaming.
rigid bronze
Yea that needs to be discussed đđ
silver jetty
also
since sl is kinda weak atm in my oppinion id suggest that the sect could talk at night. that would also make sence because i think that sects would also meet up sometimes
glacial warren
@silver jetty a sect chat has been suggested before and was declined because some roles already have their own chat (like jailer and Medium) and this would not work.
The difference between zombie and sect is, that zombies don't have their actual roles anymore
astral spruce
yes right...
As a zombie jailer/medium you cant view your jailer/medium chat anymore
Please let us able to read the chat of team wolf/zombie when we die. I just want to see who the Wolf Seer checks and what are the wolves talking about.
vale gyro
^^^
sacred sable
And let cheaters have an easier time cheating?
I still say Guardians need access to Jailer chat seeing I've seen so many friggin' screenshots of people being harassed or insulted in them.
forest rover
How would you cheat just reading the ww chat, @sacred sable?
sacred sable
Do I really have to publicly say how?
forest rover
Idk anything that you couldnât do to cheat reading the chat that youâre not able to do without reading it...
sacred sable
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orchid mesa
hello i need some help to transfer my account on an other device, the pb is that idk if my account is email linked
forest rover
How does it affects to being able to read the ww chat?Because I donât get it...
sacred sable
I'm assuming they wabt to be able to see who is what
And they can tell live players stuff like
"THEY GOING FOR 8, TELL FRIEND DOC TO PROTECC"
forest rover
He wants dead werewolves able to see what the werewolf says.Also, as dead werewolf,you can see who the werewolves are going to vote...
astral spruce
u want to not see ww chat at all :p
sacred sable
Yeah, and then they can gamethrow so much easier with that.
"My team voting 9 cuz med, tell doc to protecc"
glacial warren
@astral spruce it has been suggested before to be able to read the ww and zombie chats in the ebd of the game ^^
@sacred sable also suggested before
sacred sable
Ahh, end of game is better.
But not during game >>
glacial warren
During the game would be a mess
forest rover
But theyâre able to see it anyway so idk why it would affect in a worse way...
astral spruce
then ima keep chewing my chicken meat
sacred sable
Very.
Fot the reasons I just said.
sacred sable
Wws can out solo during day when they get confirmed as ww...
Why would you need a dead wolf to tell med
astral spruce
becuz
wolf dead
tells med who solo killers
town suspect med for telling who solo killer
epic advantage
(only works if you get medium to work for u)
sacred sable
Med trusting dead wolf, oof.
quaint bramble
@orchid mesa heya if you go to your account settings, where you can change your username
if you can see your email there, thats the way you signed up
if its not there, then you probably connected with a google or facebook account
For more help with this please go to #questions
forest rover
You could start to use psychology there.Knowing who the wolf seer checks as dead werewolf seems useful imo.
astral spruce
boi abuv is épicé
sacred sable
I give up
Anything else I say will just look argumentative at this point.
bleak ore
Boosting is destroying BR's ranking 
forest rover
For seer,aura seer and wolf seer:
When they check a player,the role icon of that player will appear in the down left corner (or somewhere else).
-With aura: It appears 
or the question tag.
-With wolf seer: It appears to all werewolves,even to the dead ones.
-If {x} is converted by zomb/kww or turned as cursed,it will still show the role that seer/ws/as saw.
-If {x} was checked,then converted and checked again the role that it shows will change.
-Once the checked player dies,the icon will disappear.If revived,it doesnât appear (unless is checked again).
sudden dock
Have you ever been tapping threw the "random skin" button and see the skin you want, but accidentally tap again? I sure have, that's why I am proposing the idea of the "go back" button. This button would not be able to be used when leaving and returning to the invintory screen.
Thank you for your time.
glacial warren
@forest rover something like this has already been suggested before ^^ but wwo is a think as far as I know 
@bleak ore that's why Philipp gave these idea in #dev-vote. It's a way against grinding and if you see it in a realistic way, it's not really possible to get the 30 games per hour if you play properly
@sudden dock a back button also has been suggested before
forest rover
@glacial warren but thereâs a lot of roles that have these remind things,like pacifist,lovers,zombies,sect,sheriff,spirit seer,etc.Also the one that was suggested was with a text I think.
astral spruce
let people just grind eh
glacial warren
Yes but 1. It was in #feedback-devs already and 2. The game is to think. As ww seer you see it in chat
astral spruce
if they grind and have many wins, they will be bullied with their 1000+ wins & still being a noob
they will face the conquences one day
languid cape
Some people just play to grind..
astral spruce
they win much and get bullied for being a noob in a high level
these people mostly get bullied alot so they cant even talk as they dont even know how to pplay yet
languid cape
Exactly because they almost never play normal games
astral spruce
100 levels but still noob
languid cape
100 level grinder? Eh
bleak ore
it's impossible to clans to dispute against grind, the first places will ever belong to grinders
bleak ore
almost all the daily ranking is already only for grinders
languid cape
Yes they play just to grind.. its sad
Grinders doesnt affect me that much since im a ranked player but the top 1 2 and 3 must be stopped because they are obviously grinding for skills which is not allowed
floral heath
Grinders are sad, like who gives tf about the daily ranking anymore đ
bleak ore
in BR server a lot of clans invite noob players to teach them how to grind and they never really know how to play
then they give up bc the game is boring
obviously it's boring, there is no funny grinding
floral heath
I grind too, I grind for rewards and what I need. And when I grind, I donât destroy other players games like some others do
bleak ore
I never grinded and I finish the pass within a week
glacial warren
Well. Grinding is not really allowed and the #dev-vote solution is pretty good. It is not necessary to discuss about it, because you can just vote like you want.
bleak ore
there is no excuse for grind, only to ranking.. unfair ranking
floral heath
^
languid cape
@glacial warren tbh it wont effect grinding at all it would just make them slower and not stop it
bleak ore
yes, but I never saw any player being banned bc of grind
languid cape
People would continue to grind if its only 30 games per a hour
bleak ore
yes, normal players will never reach that
floral heath
Average game is 10 minutes, average grind is about 4-5, 30 games is nothing
languid cape
30 games * the xp you get as village * 2
glacial warren
You just have to vote. You don't have to argue about what you think tho.
meager gyro
The number is adjustable, Philipp discusdrd about 15-20 games per hour a bit above đ€
bleak ore
yes but could be a minimium game time for receive xp
floral heath
Well hereâs my response, as itâs feedback I can put it here:
n terms of âBoostingâ, XP farming should still be allowed as lots of people have trouble collecting XP for Clan Quests and Battle passes. The problem lies within farming Wins and itâs effects on indirectly destroying other playerâs experiences.
Level doesnât mean anything in terms of a players experience. In fact letting players get XP faster allows them to access the best features in the game quicker.
Win-rate should solely depend on how good a player is at the game. Boosting destroys this and can make a bad player look like a God. To fix this, Limit the number of people that can join a Friend lobby. Iâd say 4 players maximum. This way if they continue to boost in Public Quick and Sandbox games then the majority of other players can report the group. Donât worry if they try to join at the same time, Sandbox and Quick lobbies fill very fast so this shouldnât be a problem. In Custom, wins donât count so a large group of players can still join a Private Custom lobby and make it Public incase they are short a few players. On top of that, to get XP in a custom game, it must last at least 4 minutes which has a similar effect to limiting number of games played per hour. Although it may still be possible for smarter players to boost using alternate accounts, this will fix the issue of mass lobbies ruining games by boosting and grinding for wins and XP.
The Ranked mode is the only perfect place to limit games. Leaderboard Ranking is based not only on how good a player is but also how much time they play Ranked. Limiting number of games per day that a player can play in the Ranked mode can partially solve this issue.
bleak ore
would be more fair
meager gyro
That would affect all players, the legit playing ones as well @bleak ore
languid cape
It would be like making the internet slower because you dont want your kid to play games
But they play anyways
bleak ore
yes @meager gyro but I don't think puting a limit will fix this
will decrease the xp gained by grinders
languid cape
Players who do this at least should get a ban if it will be âillegalâ
Like terminate their wifi if you dont want them to play not just slow it down
meager gyro
It does not have to be a limit
Its a roughly path what you could do
A max game duration was kinda declined and no solution wont fix it at all đ
floral heath
I donât see anything wrong with Grinding XP. Just as long as you arenât destroying other players games and making yourself seem better than you really are
languid cape
Yes but the devs arent making a good stance here. They are like yes its legal but we will limit your games
That doesnt solve it.
meager gyro
Philipp explained it, #dev-vote only includes gamethrowing + grinding aka throwing games to finish games fast
@floral heath
solemn trout
Create a Werewolf Online API to get info about players and games
floral heath
Yes thatâs why I proposed a different solution. I donât agree with limiting games every hour. There must be a better solution than that. @meager gyro
meager gyro
@solemn trout Try out +playerinfo <ign> in #bot-commands
languid cape
@meager gyro Its not really throwing games if everyone agrees to it... tbh it should be considered a different topic than gamethrowing
bleak ore
@languid cape why not?
floral heath
Yeah but think of the players that randomly join a grind lobby
solemn trout
Thank you, I meant something open to everyone
languid cape
If it was gamethrowing they were already banned. Meaning its not gamethrowing
floral heath
You canât report the entire lobby đ
meager gyro
@floral heath If you play a game normally it will last 5 min in average
that means you can play 12 games
#dev-vote means finishing all games in an hour within one day (grinders usually play 100 of games per hour)
languid cape
You could report those players but, its not considered gamethrowing... since none of them get banned
I have 1500 level friends
floral heath
Iâm just saying, if you limit Friend lobbies down to about 4 players, it wonât be possible to create these grind lobbies anymore. Itâs still possible to make them in custom but custom has its limitation too.
meager gyro
@languid cape If you throw the game with 15 others, none will report you
So there must be another system to catch them ^^
@floral heath That would affect all legal playing players
languid cape
Sir felenusâs idea is great tbh
forest rover
Then let me make a reverse feedback.
Because werewolf is a thinking game:
-Remove pacifist icon when someone is revealed.It is checkable in the chat.
-Remove loverâs icon and the love role.It is checkable in the chat,adding the role of your lover in the text.
-Remove the granny mute sign.Same.
-Remove arsonist douse icon and instead of it make every night a message that says {x} has been doused correctly.Same with illusionist,bomber,cannibal and corruptor.
-Sect and zombies shouldnât be able to see themselves.They will have a message in the chat.
-Werewolves shouldnât see the paw on others werewolves,and shouldnât see who the sorcerer is.Another message.
-Head hunter shouldnât be able to see the target icon.Another text message.
-Same with spirit seer,sheriff,tough guy,marksman mark,beast hunter trap,avenger and junior werewolf tag,nightmare werewolf selection and in night,shaman selection and in night,berserk frenzy,fc power,gww power,cupid knowing who the lovers are,jailer selection,doc selection,and all icons that appears that are not roles revealed (as rev by med,dead,pacifist,priest,gunner and mayor).Because we should think more and remember what happens ig.đ
floral heath
Legal playing players can still play custom? Whatâs the problem
bleak ore
the gring discouraged players, I would like so much to dispute ranking, but how I'm against grind I'm never going to be on daily top
floral heath
You can make a sandbox setup in custom can you not?
languid cape
It would stop clan teaming also
floral heath
Only 1 player has to create it
languid cape
Or friend teaming
meager gyro
@floral heath The solution should not restrict the majority of all players
languid cape
What about the people that play quick games. I bet people can play 30 games a hour
That also affects the majority
meager gyro
30 games in an hour means every game lasts 2 minutes and thats not possible to do in legal ways ^^
languid cape
Yeah youre right I never did the math ;-;
floral heath
It can last 2 minutes
Night 1, then reveal your role leave the game join the next
Easy
languid cape
Still slowing people from grinding doesnt sound like a âsolutionâ to me at least
meager gyro
One game yes, 4 of course
but not every single game you play within an hour @floral heath
bleak ore
me neither
fallow urchin
Its a start
meager gyro
@languid cape It could go farer than slowing down but that would be a base to fix things
forest rover
@glacial warren what do you think about this one? đ
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/662756122872119299
languid cape
It could much easier if devs came in and said straight out that its illegal and bannable
fallow urchin
Actually is impossible to compete with top clans
Cause everyone is playing grind games
meager gyro
@languid cape The odds that one of the 16 players who all are involved in rule violations, will report all others are quite low đ
glacial warren
@forest rover well I would not remove it. It also was a suggestion to add this so we don't know if it will be added or not
fallow urchin
And bc this brazilians clans are grinding too, to get xp faster, it's not fair
languid cape
You can check the top players and their clans. Aka moderate the top players. I seriously dont get why guardians need 12 reports to ban people
Why cant they remove the player âuselessâ from the ranked leaderboard
Its basically impossible to get 17k sp
In one season
floral heath
Even if the Devs saying Grind lobbies are illegal and bannable it wonât stop people from making them. Limiting games per hour doesnât stop them, as people have pointed out it only makes it slower.
fallow urchin
I understand u @languid cape cause if I'm join in a grind game only I report, no one has banned
languid cape
The top 1 player for ranked has double the skill points of the 2nd player on the leaderboard
How is that possible?
floral heath
You canât ban them, itâs a lobby not just a group
brave sigil
Many say if it's in a full room there's no problem, but try to enter the chezc server, people enter there just to farm with no previous warning. "Noobs" end up been involves even though they don't know that's illegal, they are playing in their language server and there are only games like that.
meager gyro
It would be a base that could be improved ^^
No solution wont stop them at all
languid cape
@floral heath if people get banned at least they will know to stop because their accounts are like level 2000
fallow urchin
I agree with @meager gyro it's a start
floral heath
Limiting games Iâd say would be really good for Ranked in terms of Skill Points and Ranked Leaderboard but the issue being targeted is the mass grind lobbies being used to farm games and XP. For the grind lobbies, Iâm proposing that the maximum number of players at one time in a âPlaying with Friendsâ lobby should be reduced to 4 players.
meager gyro
Already replied to the suggestion^
languid cape
Yeah ranked grinding must stop. Im skeptical about the xp grinding part but still I see some people getting affected by it so I would want a solution that actually âsolvesâ the problem
At his point im repeating myself sorry
This is the final feedback from me, everything summarized
meager gyro
Its quite easy
Reports wont stop them most likely as most of them wont report themselves
If the game detects games/hour it could auto report if those numbers are getting crazy
So guardians could review for example, that would not affect any legal playing player, only those who break rules
thats what I mean with the suggestion in #dev-vote is just a base to develope other things to solve issues đ€·
bleak ore
My question is: why none of grind players had been banned yet if gamethrowing is against rules?
meager gyro
@bleak ore 16 player lobby -> one of them would need to report
bleak ore
see, it's not hard to check grind rooms
meager gyro
You need that one report tho
forest rover
@glacial warren it was a way of saying that almost a 30% roles have an icon that helps to remember and I donât see why seer/as shouldnât it wasnât serious đŹ
bleak ore
you just need to go to highscores
floral heath
Donât they only worry about +12 reports?
languid cape
@meager gyro I mentioned about the 12 reports part too. I still think its unnecessary and guardians can judge people since they are experinced enough to know whats wrong and whats wrong...
They should just monitor suspicous players
bleak ore
^
meager gyro
12 reports is a completely different topic tho and has not much in common with grinding or the topic đ€
They also have a real life and are doing this voluntary đ
floral heath
How are they gonna monitor entire clans though? Someone answer me
languid cape
If someone gets banned it will set an example
If you ban a level 2000 player will they grind again?
glacial warren
@forest rover ye but suggested already ^^'
floral heath
Most likely that player will just whine to the rest of the clan and they just shrug it off like canât ban em all right
meager gyro
Has already been done partly
@bleak ore
Well I'd just repeat myself at this point
languid cape
At least it will be âillegalâ and thats the point. By making it legal you are encouraging them to do it
languid cape
Thats not gamethrow...
bleak ore
I think it is
floral heath
If Friend lobbies stay at maximum 16 players, the whole clan just joins the lobby and nobody suspects them
floral heath
Because nobody is in the lobby to report them
sacred sable
Lisa, question
Can guardians check the bottom of the skill points list and see how low it is?
bleak ore
@floral heath there are a lot of clans involved
languid cape
Anyone can see it
meager gyro
I don't know as Im not a guardian but you may ask one @sacred sable
sacred sable
Nah, I just turned off DMs from other server members
floral heath
@meager gyro and Iâve already come to the conclusion like some other players that it just slows them down. It doesnât stop them.
bleak ore
maybe by increasing the power of guardians should help too
meager gyro
languid cape
Yes the guardians should have more powers than just monitoring players that have 12 reports
floral heath
Especially with the more popular larger clans
sacred sable
Anyways
I only see top 100 and "my ranking"
I don't see an option to see the very bottom of the list
quaint bramble
@languid cape They can check people with less reports, its just to set their priorities on those with the highest amount of reports first
floral heath
Like there are a few clans I can name where the leader has been banned repeatedly but the other members in the clan are not phased by it
languid cape
You can check someone individually @sacred sable but only see the skill points not the rank
median elbow
Because a jrww and shaman ww can occasionally be nooby I suggest upon death (or the following night) the jr ww and shaman ww should just select a random role if nobody us selected.
This would be similar to how cupid functions.
languid cape
@quaint bramble they shouldnt need to get reports at all... someone should do something about the top players. They obviously arent playing normal games especially for the ranked leaderboard
4000 village wins and 300 loses
median elbow
We had a shaman and jrww never shaman/tag anyone the last 2 games I played
The jr was the one everyone reported though
quaint bramble
Lisa already repeatedly replied to that, this poll is here to get started on tackling this problem.
languid cape
Yes not to solve it I see
floral heath
Again Iâll repeat, to Phillips proposal, it only slows down progress of Grind, it doesnât stop it. And even if the âsuspicious playersâ are being banned, there are loads more players that will still continue to Grind regardless, what are we going to do, ban all of them?
median elbow
I do also suggest there should be an "afk ww seer" button to allow a random player or wheever the strongest we selects to be looking at
quaint bramble
@languid cape She also already said, that this limit might result in auto band/reports if it is exceeded, for example...
I've been here for 5 mins and I saw those replies.. đ
languid cape
@floral heath all the gamethrowers dont get banned but they do know that its illegal and not many people dare to do it
median elbow
2 suggestions to help the ww team from afk players
floral heath
And it does affect the majority of players too. Like imagine being an innocent player who just became addicted to the game and suddenly you get an auto report out of nowhere for âplaying too much gamesâ
bleak ore
Suggestion: Could create an website wich shows the gain of xp per hour/day/week/ever of each player
@meager gyro
quaint bramble
@median elbow For jww, I can agree, for the rest Imm not so sure.. the village also just has to deal with offliners, why would these kinda things only get added to the ww team?
median elbow
Who said the ww seer was offline?
languid cape
@floral heath guardians can see who is grinding and who is not
median elbow
Because the ww is already weak.
languid cape
Im not proposing an auto ban
quaint bramble
afk/offline, same difference...
floral heath
An auto ban is what itâs coming too. The Guardians canât ban em all
median elbow
Shaman being afk but online and not enchanting is reportable for not using their ability
Ww seer too
quaint bramble
exactly, it doesnt need to be caught by some auto player thing
that just gives them an excuse to not bother themselves
median elbow
If the shaman isn't enchanting that harms the ww team
The village team is strong let's focus on small things to improve the ww team at the current state of the game
languid cape
Losing as a werewolf should remove less skill points
At my skill point level if I lose as ww and win as village I still get the same skill points
Maybe something like +2-5 difference
Which is nothing
floral heath
Same here but I have no complaints
median elbow
Yumi I disagree because it then becomes a game in which how often you play.
floral heath
It already is @median elbow
median elbow
I mean it's already like that but it increases
I think village should lose more skill.
floral heath
Lol like -40 is enough đ
languid cape
But losing as ww shouldnt make u lose that much
median elbow
Nah more like 60 skill
floral heath
I think itâs ok as it is, you make up a Village loss with 2 Village wins
floral heath
Usually it takes me about an hour to get back to the skill I was at before I lost a Village game
median elbow
Solo gets +40ish - nearly the same as a village
floral heath
Solo gets +60
languid cape
Yes because that would show the actual skill of the players because players that play more often will get more skill points
Cuz they win as village all the time
median elbow
I get +40 or 50 as a solo killer
floral heath
If you are getting +40 to +50 you are playing with less skilled players
median elbow
Well that's why I get no skill then
languid cape
Thats exactly why there should be more league seperation 2k skill x 7k skill players same lobby
quaint bramble
so what is the feedback exactly? ww loss is already much less sp loss than village loss afaik
its like -15 for ww and -40 for vill loss?
median elbow
Ww and solos need a skill gain boost. And villagers need a skill lose boost
floral heath
âPlatinum leagueâ would take about 5 minutes to fill up if implemented I might bet
languid cape
I lose -16 as ww and get +17-20 as village
floral heath
-4 is still nothing
median elbow
Ik
quaint bramble
yeah about +20-25 for vill win for me
median elbow
I'm getting +18 for village wins lately
quaint bramble
but still, i dont see the point? one village win vs one ww loss is a slight profit, that sounds reasonable?
floral heath
Yeah Iâm on @quaint bramble side here
floral heath
? Itâs random
runic dragon
languid cape
While my teammates were obvious silver players
quaint bramble
sometimes you get bad streaks like that, i dont think its related to sp
anyone has thosedays where you're suddenly ww a lot, or fool almost b2b
median elbow
Unicorn cam you toss my rng shaman and jrtag if no tag is found to #fb-devs
languid cape
Game tries to balance the sp points between the teams @quaint bramble I keep noticing the pattern
Just because I have more sp than the lobby I get evil and the least sp players get teamed with me
floral heath
@median elbow itâs not really feedback for devs, more for Guardians
median elbow
That's not for guardians at all. Tf?
quaint bramble
@median elbow No since im still not sure what you want exactly, cause it sounds basically like 'replace afk player with a bot'
what are the parameters for this, when does this start? do they still get xp/sp for their role etc?
floral heath
Guardians are the ones actually looking and banning the players
median elbow
The ww seer is nothing major.
floral heath
So you can emphasise to them that things such as WW not using their ability are reasons to ban
median elbow
Nothing about banning players too wth
quaint bramble
for ww seer and jww its pretty obvious already reportable if they dont do their ability
median elbow
Let me reword this.
floral heath
What do you mean itâs nothing to ban? You said it should be reportable right
People are reporting people for that
quaint bramble
anyway lets not argue about this.. feedback shouldnnt be about wether or not something is a reportable offense
floral heath
@quaint bramble is it ok if you could put my Feedback into #feedback-devs please?
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/662758636841598976
languid cape
Solo and ww wins should give more skill points wws should lose less solo should lose more and village should lose more/ and for fool games village should lose less solos still more and wws should lose the same amm of sp that would be given if village won / for headhunter games village should win less more sp ww lose less sp and get more sp solo gets more sp
median elbow
Similar to the how cupid functions upon suicide/death/nobody being selected...
- If the Junior Werewolf DOES NOT have a avenging tag currently set upon death they should be forced to tag a player at random.
- If the Shaman Werewolf DOES NOT have a shamanistic tag set upon the following night a random shaman should occur.
languid cape
Im gonna summarize that for ranked terms
median elbow
Is this more clear
quaint bramble
@floral heath Short answer: no. Long answer: Lisa already told you why this isnt the right solution, it shouldnt affect legit players etc.
There is people who legitly and fairly play with 4+ friends
without teaming, grinding, boosting, ruining the game in any way
floral heath
@quaint bramble if the majority of the lobby knew each other, what about the players that didnât know them. Although there are the players who play legitly, they are still a problem in itself.
median elbow
@quaint bramble is my prior message more clear
floral heath
An example problem would be the friends basically just talking about IRL stuff with each other for the course of the game and the 1 player that doesnât know them is the only player paying attention? Wouldnât you feel sorry for that guy? And his 1 report isnât going to ban the entire group of friends is it
If it is possible for 16 players to come about as a group, then surely one of them has custom games unlocked. Thereâs also the offline version as well.
quaint bramble
In cases like that it can easily become hard to tell if they are paying attention or not, if theyre playing legit they would stillgive info etc
custom games haveto last 5 mins to get xp and dont affect winrates, thats why its more acceptible than the currently listed issue in #dev-vote
floral heath
Thatâs why Iâm proposing it @quaint bramble
quaint bramble
and Lisa said no cause it affects too much legit players... just going round in circles
floral heath
So your assuming that grinders do?
languid cape
For ranked games:
I have noticed a pattern where in headhunter games the village wins more and in fool games the village loses more so I tried to make a solution for that...
For headhunter games:
In headhunter games village is more likely to win because âmostâ of the headhunters just claim their target and try to become a villager so,
-Village should gain less points and lose more points.
-Werewolves should gain more points and lose less points.
-Solo killers should gain much more points and lose less. If headhunter wins as solo they should win more skill points. Even more than the solo killers.
For fool games:
Basically, its almost impossible to win these games unless you have a good gunner/jailer/aura and I dont count the random villager because its absolutely random. In this mode the evils are more than likely to win. Especially if the solo killer is strong,
-Village should gain more points because it was unfair from the start and lose less points
-Werewolfs shouldnt gain as much. Maybe gain the same skill points where the village loses, and lose more skill when the village wins
-Solo roles win less points fool still gets the same, and fool loses same while solo killing loses more.
Ranked games are curently unfair because fool and headhunter is not equal powered in ranked. Either changing the headhunter role to something more effective or placing this system will solve the problem.
@quaint bramble
quaint bramble
Yes they do, Philipp and others have done the math, they finish games by day 2.
languid cape
Wrong person oops
floral heath
@quaint bramble the lobby takes time to fill up as well, they need time to re group
Time to group, and then time to grind. Your going off the fact that itâs 2 minutes to finish so 30 games an hour. If they instantly joined each other then Iâd understand
median elbow
I have a suggestion for @echo aspen about the xp grinders in #dev-vote (I should probably just dm him).
How about if an X number of friends (or invited players) are in the same game and the game ends in under Y days or Y Seconds then this will determine how much XP/SKILL those specific players will receive.
pine jacinth
I dont care if lobby takes time as long as i'm matched with player with similar rank, willing to improve the filling isn't a good idea since it will gather ppl with gape between their rank
thin orbit
Donât know if this has been suggested but if a player was converted (zombie, kww, etc.) then their role and their original role is whom at the end of the game
languid cape
@pine jacinth Exactly...
brave sigil
@median elbow i agree but only limiting the xp gained wouldn't be so much, with those x players y days, etc. they should receive an automatic ban
median elbow
Not an auto ban. No
floral heath
I just want to say this, why limit games per hour when you can limit grind lobbies altogether by reducing the number of players that can join a non custom friend lobby. Sure it will affect âlegit playersâ joining all at once with more than 4 players but it will solve issues within that as well, thereâs obviously going to be a drawback to it.
median elbow
Screw the autobahn system
The likely hood of someone doing 30 games quickplay in 1 hour is low. But still possible
floral heath
Extremely slim actually, you would have to repeatedly die first
median elbow
But 30 games per hour does nothing except slow the grinders down. It doesn't change anything at all.
floral heath
And even then you ainât winning all of them. And there is that extra xp for staying in the game
median elbow
Grinders will grind fast or slow doesn't matter.
7 games in 1 hour if you do the Pacifist vs zombie method in custom.
Wait no I think it's 12 actually
floral heath
So, is it wrong for people to do Paci vs Zombie in custom? 5 minute limitation and no win count seems fair for people who donât have time to get XP
floral heath
What skill?
quaint bramble
Already said by Lisa as well, this is only a basic version of the system they will put in place... its not all the details yet. If they can limit it to 20 or 30 games per hour, they can also add that it punished people who reach that limit.
So yes it will heavil reduce the boosting, thats the goal of it after all.
floral heath
@median elbow what is the âskillâ you are referring to? Level doesnât mean anything.
median elbow
An auto ban? Tf god no. If I play quick play right now I'll get likely 30 games in 35 minutes -
runic dragon
Hi
Would it be possible to select an item in the battle pass and it takes us straight to it in our inventory?
floral heath
I mean I guess itâll give people lootboxes much faster but whoâs saying thatâs bad?
meager gyro
None said auto ban đ @median elbow
brave sigil
An auto temporary ban, or an warning that if it repeats they will be banned
meager gyro
Or just report them that guardians can check the whole game
median elbow
Skin focus + leaving upon death + joining a new game + an infinite loop = 30 games in 35 minutes
meager gyro
Finished games (with a winner)
brave sigil
But it has to be 30 finished games
floral heath
- get Village/HH/Fool role + not protected
quaint bramble
anyway Lisa is catching this discussion again now, so i'll look at the actual feedbacks i got pinged for
median elbow
I saw punish players who reach the limit so who knows what that means with a trashy already existing autoban system
meager gyro
Yeah thats an assumption
'trashy autoban system' -> can be improved, but again #dev-vote is not an auto ban, but auto report that guardians can access the game logs would help solving the issue without affecting any other players
thin orbit
quaint bramble
@median elbow I am really considering to post your shaman/jww feedback.
I still dont fully agree this solves the problem though. It's a reportable offense to not use your abilities, and like i said it just encourages them to afk since it will be taken care of for them.
It should have some repercussions too.. if this system kicks in; auto report or -20% xp/sp something like that
median elbow
Auto report them if they don't vote with the ww/talk in game
Simple.
-20 xp though may be better
Afk detection would be nice though
quaint bramble
i just put something random, 20% is a bit much yeah but % works better than exact numbers in any case
median elbow
Town of Salem has afk detection
floral heath
@median elbow isnât that the same âafk detectionâ as we have here in WWO?
floral heath
I thought you were talking about when a player has [ ] around their name to indicate they are offline
Which is the same as when someone being offline in WWO
languid cape
Majestical can you check this after this discussion is over?
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/662769673854517248
median elbow
Offline isn't a good enough afk detection. Being online not doing anything is a proper afk detection.
floral heath
@languid cape I know my suggestion has been suggested tons of time but what about just remove HH from Gold Ranked? I mean itâs expected that you would have good Gunners when you reach that high.
languid cape
Hh and fool is not balance
Either create balance or replace with something more balanced
floral heath
HH in any other game mode can actually WIN by themselves
floral heath
Why is Fool not balanced?
languid cape
Fool is not balanced with headhunter
They arent equal
I know, fool games are more balanced for village and wws
runic dragon
Because lame headhunters go
Hey I'm hh target x day 1
languid cape
But headhunter x fool doesnt make sense
runic dragon
A lot less games with fool going hey I'm fool
languid cape
Exactly.
floral heath
I mean thereâs nothing wrong with it, you can still win with villagers. It just makes The game 110% easier when playing with Gold players
languid cape
No one says im fool day one unless they are throwing
floral heath
and no, I donât see lots of players going âhey Iâm foolâ
neat burrow
Fool got nothing to lost so they can playing around and making fake claiming
floral heath
Apart from the players who donât want to suicide and those are the same players going âIâm skâ
languid cape
@floral heath I would rather play a game as werewolf while fool is in game opposed to not.
Most people think the same
Why? Because fool games are easier for evils
and thats exactly why im suggesting something in regards of skill points
floral heath
Well good, Village should be just as challenging as being evil sometimes
languid cape
Yep village should lose less in fool games
floral heath
Why not just get rid of HH games altogether? Thatâs much better than determining if Village should lose more or less depending on whether HH or Fool is in game
It shouldnât be easier for evils if you have a pro Village. Which is why itâs only targeted for Gold Ranked.
median elbow
@quaint bramble I think the standard -15% for leaving is a fair amount
Solo voting role is coming to ranked?
I love this suggestion then.
floral heath
@quaint bramble that doesnât solve it. HH will still claim day 1, in fact it encourages them because HH can be HH or Fool, no one is going to lynch them
median elbow
Yeeeeesssss
Arso claims hh -fool doesn't cc
Fool wins
Did they test RSV in sb ever?
quaint bramble
@floral heath Yknow I also play ranked and i really dont see that much hh self-claims for no reasons tbh
floral heath
I was gonna say but Arsonist would just lose by taking that route but then again I realize how much people donât care about losing as solo đ
median elbow
I had a hh claim rrv today
sacred sable
Last time I claimed hh in ranked, I got shot
floral heath
@median elbow I do that all the time, as long as my target also claims rv
languid cape
@quaint bramble Do you know anything about the role?? Im so curious rn
quaint bramble
lets keep the strategy discussions outta here anyway.. We could check with guardians once again if hh sayng their target unprovoked is reportable as gt...
languid cape
It would be fun to play with a new solo role in ranked
median elbow
Last time I claimed aura day 1 I got shot. And they lynched the rrv aura
sacred sable
Imean
Hh wins with village if target ever dies so
floral heath
@quaint bramble itâs not gamethrowing, itâs a way to win, as Villager ofc
Itâs a loophole, not gamethrowing
languid cape
I used to say 5 is med doc jailer / if they didnt claim rv or investigator if 5 was target
median elbow
If a hh target dies can they still try to play as a hh?
floral heath
XD
floral heath
Iâm still wondering if using TOS logic and making HH turn Fool when their target dies would be a good idea
languid cape
Idk
median elbow
If my target dies day 1 I'll still fake a target
@floral heath yes. It would. Or assign a new target all together
quaint bramble
more strategy talk.. this isnt really relevant to any feedbaxk sggestion rn from what i can tell..
how did yall even start talking about hh/fool anyway
floral heath
@sacred sable no Iâm saying HH turns fool instead of turns villager
languid cape
Its about that
quaint bramble
@floral heathwe cant just copy tos like that probably
sacred sable
Yeah, but hh would only turn fool if village voted
floral heath
It wouldnât be a good idea in my sense because there are old players already with too much wins from turning hh to villager, it just wouldnât be fair to change it
median elbow
Jester being lynched in TOS doesn't cause the village to lose. It's just a Jr ww that wants to die.
floral heath
Thatâs why I love fool and hate jester. I can just beg Village to give me the win if I haunt a ww
sacred sable
Assuming youu know who wolves are
floral heath
Village would just give me a target and I haunt them
sacred sable
And wws could just
Not vote you off
floral heath
WW can vote you off too @sacred sable they arenât the ones being lynched you are
median elbow
Having a netural killer like the TOS witch would be dope. If you die you lose.
sacred sable
That's
What I mean
Wws would know you're jester when you start begging
runic dragon
I prefer games because of the lame hhs that decide they're village from day 1 and they're not even gonna try
sacred sable
So they could just not vote you
runic dragon
I'm a weak hh. I don't fake anything. Just keep quiet. Lel.
floral heath
Itâs the same logic @sacred sable you can beg ww to vote you so you can kill villager and end game faster
floral heath
Depends on the situation @sacred sable beg village when village is about to win, beg ww if ww is about to win
median elbow
Anyways. What about my @quaint bramble my shaman-Jr afk fix
floral heath
And also, the Village donât care if they lynch you because the game is still on. If someone acts like a fool lynch them anyway
floral heath
@sacred sable thatâs reportable*
sacred sable
Yeaah, but fool won that way so why would they stop?
languid cape
Random voting and spamming would make themselves obvious that they are fool
At least in ranked
sacred sable
I dunno
I random vote as hj
languid cape
I shoot them day 1
sacred sable
Hh*
floral heath
@sacred sable ah yes, quick game master I see
languid cape
No regrets
sacred sable
Especially the rrvs
Nah, sandbox
I haven't touched ranked since the two games with Sov last weekend
Anyways
languid cape
Yeah ranked is depressing even I dont play rn
floral heath
If I touched ranked now Iâd get silver, but I want bronze so Iâm not touching it now đ
sacred sable
Force updates for game when playstore has them out
Otherwise they can't play
floral heath
Literally I have 11 more pointe than top 250, I can get silver if I wanted to đ
sacred sable
Been seeing a lot more kww abuse
And being the only one reporting it is useless
sacred sable
I got y'all beat at 5000-sum'n
floral heath
There was this one feedback I had where if you scored higher than all the other leagues, you could also pick a reward from a lower league
So like if I got silver in the end, I can choose a silver or a bronze prize
sacred sable
A few people also suggested that
To help with getting same placement
Too bad it won't help you get plat outfit
floral heath
how it feels to have to purposely lose to get the right outfit
floral heath
đ the noobs do it for me
languid cape
= village lose
runic dragon
Rose partay
floral heath
Imagine being rank 501
sterile sage
upgrade all the useless talismans
languid cape
@sterile sage Literally my suggestion
Lol
4 tailsmans = same ammount of gold to upgrade a tailsman
floral heath
15000 is enough to buy like 13 battle passes lol
languid cape
So 4 tailsmans = 1 upgrade
runic dragon
I never ever use mine
floral heath
imagine using a talisman
calm pollen
There should be a reset my account button. Why you Ask? Well the benefits are :
-you will reset your entire history for ex. Ranked games, game stats
- your inventory, gold and bought stuff will stay
With the button you can have a new start with all the previous lost games deleted! Well, with the button in the game I can reset (and not delete) my account so if the reset button wont be added, please just make some way to reset.
median elbow
I disagree.
Lose everything because someone IRL doesn't like you. Nah fam. Just nah.
Just start a new account
rigid bronze
Exactly ^
sterile sage
The 'irl someone' can still use the already existing "Delete account" button
median elbow
I do think resetting wins and loses with a purchasable irl cash option is acceptable
hardy glen
Yes
calm pollen
But what if someone bought around 50$ of stuff in game? And wants to reset because we all do mistakes?
hardy glen
What kind of mistake would make someone want to delete their account
quaint bramble
if you used to be a farmer/grinder or used to suicide a lot in quickplay because you thought everyone does it so its ok
hardy glen
Like being renown for gamethrowing
quaint bramble
and you wanna clean your record and be a better person
median elbow
Actually I'm going to create an idea for people with true items to delete their accounts in a safter fashion
quaint bramble
i think thats kinda at the core of this idea
median elbow
I'll do it.
hardy glen
Making new league wonât do
I donât want to stay in a lobby for 5 minutes for a single match
quaint bramble
accepting concrete ideas, bear in mind we have seen a lot of it before
hardy glen
Such as
quaint bramble
adding a league, preventing 3 of the same rrv from happening, something to stop hhs from revealing their target, higher entry reqs... those kind things, to name a few
hardy glen
adding a new league wonât do
When I talk about the problems of ranked, itâs mainly the player base
Itâs too easy to climb to gold
quaint bramble
I will take a look at it, if you can type out a big solid idea
but im kinda running out of the energy to have a full discussion/conversation like this about it
quaint bramble
if you dont have any, then contact some ranked players, or join pr server, and, get chatting
the more players unite on their ideas, the better
languid cape
Maje I edited out most the explanations
sterile sage
pr server ??
quaint bramble
could you drop me the link again?
calm pollen
Well if this idea wont be accepted, then atleast make moving items to another account possibile.
languid cape
I would wait 5 minutes to join a nice ranked game with people that have similiar skill points tbh. I spend more skipping lobbies
sterile sage
oooh it's why i see everyone leaving each time i play...
languid cape
Bruh
hardy glen
Sigh
sterile sage
I thought they didn't like me :(
hardy glen
Lol
calm pollen
@hardy glen yes if you actually bought some items for real money
sacred sable
If ima die, I wanna look good doing it
languid cape
đ
sterile sage
đ
sacred sable
Which is why I'n butthurt rn at this outfit bug
hardy glen
Doesnât die with default avatar night 1
sacred sable
Ngl
I really only die n1 as med/seer
Because sandbox has all the talismans
languid cape
My brother newtoranked dies with default avatar day 1
languid cape
Hahhaha
runic dragon
I die less when I'm a panda
median elbow
Altered Account Deletion (and protection)
There are IRL trolls (sibling, cousins and maybe your kids) that enjoy deleting making you're life a living Hell at times. Sometimes the best way to get revenge is to delete what they love. If I have at least 1 loyalty token I probably don't want my account deleted. The alternative is to message a guardian on discord directly to request a deletion. The guardian will them send a deletion request. They can accept/deny/refute this request.
Accepting the deletion will prompt you with a second "Are you sure you want to delete your account"
Denying the deletion will reject the deletion
Refuting the request will send a message to the guardian stating that you didn't request the message to prompt upon logging on.
@hardy glen @Spookmond#1973 @quaint bramble
hardy glen
4, 14, 15 are my lucky spots
sterile sage
im nearly always 13
languid cape
3 is never good
hardy glen
Whenever Iâm det, I compare 2 with 6 and it always come up as #
languid cape
I check 1=7 both wws
runic dragon
I sit everywhere
"Jasmin is always evil"
sterile sage
when i check i take the left part of the screen cuz the majority of us are right-handed
languid cape
Yes thats what happens when u get known
đ
Even if I sit at 17 I will get checked
â17â
hardy glen
Lol
median elbow
Jasmin is evil but I wouldn't know
quaint bramble
youguys drift off topic real quick...
go chat somewhere else please this channel is already nearly impossible to handle rn
runic dragon
I got checked and claimed jailer. I was jailer.
But you know... Jasmin just can't possibly actually be jailer
Sorry. Haha. Bye
median elbow
I pinged you @quaint bramble
quaint bramble
yeah ask that guy if thats what he wants
and this game doesnt even have email verification, you want there to be something this advanced..?
the suggestion was reset not delete btw
median elbow
It's just an additional thing for guardians to do
runic dragon
I asked for email verification a long time ago. There's a level 1 account with 0 games sitting with my Ign :/
median elbow
Send a Deletion request
calm pollen
@RGTube what if someone wants to move to another account their stuff (like coins)?
hardy glen
@quaint bramble Back on topic, making a new league would only work if more people play ranked. I personally will never wait more than 3 minutes to start a game. Attracting more ranked players can easily be achieved with a very handsome reward system limited to ranked
quaint bramble
@runic dragon you can get the name back once theyre over 6 months inactiv i guess
the verification is a topic im not even gonna attempt to discuss anymore
quaint bramble
@hardy glen it works eith gold league right now by filling it up with silvers, so that wouldnt change
you got this plat league for 2500/3000 ish sp and up
and if there isnt enough you will get gold players in there
hardy glen
the amount of sp a player has wouldnât change just because a new league is added
I donât see how getting gold fillers would be possible when the gold league is getting silver fillers
calm pollen
@RGBtube well, make Guardians see your account, and then make it that they can deny the person to transfer lmao
With of course the information is this person banned
median elbow
No reason to transfer items to a new account
@languid cape how about the average skill of the top 2500 players I'm ranked determines the limit
languid cape
Devs can decide how many players is sufficent to keep a league stable with players and take the average
median elbow
Useless (number 1 player/thrower) would screw ranked up slightly maybe?
languid cape
They should be excluded đ
They clearly arent playing normal games
Top 1 2 3
4000 village wins and 300 loses
median elbow
Tf
languid cape
Thats not normal
hardy glen
something is fishy
calm pollen
@RGTube There is? Everyone makes mistakes? Also if you really dont like my idea make bought items transeferable.
runic dragon
Make seer hell harder to get out of and those above a certain amount get boosted out of seer hell đ
median elbow
Transfering items period should not be a thing. Purchased or not.
languid cape
@runic dragon if you are serious about the game you will âtryâ to at least reach gold anyways
People rn be like I played 3 games and im in gold
How???
median elbow
I have an idea. Remove leagues and make 1 super league with everyone in the same league.
languid cape
Lmao
hardy glen
No
median elbow
Okay now yell at me
sterile sage
Hiss
hardy glen
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runic dragon
I'm going to find @median elbow in rank and shoot him and claim misclick with that idea
languid cape
I dont play ranked too.. if I play right now I will get banned for hate speech for sure
Yesterday was a mess
hardy glen
ah
runic dragon
|| pssst you're discussing||
languid cape
xD
calm pollen
@median elbow still its your money that you bought the Item with and transfer is an option that will only save you from the lost games
hardy glen
Spook
median elbow
Yeah same
languid cape
I think that purchased items should be transferable
Ahhhhhhh
I got banned twice @median elbow
median elbow
I didn't even curse. The harshest words I said was stupid, trash, and noob
And autoban hit me
median elbow
All silver reported me
median elbow
I did they were "afk right now"
runic dragon
I've got a question. Not use if I can do it here. Why doesn't your ban have a name? Because it's auto report?
languid cape
It says âthe guardian teamâ
That means auto ban
Usually it mentions a guardian name if its banned by âsomeoneâ
runic dragon
Thanks
languid cape
Np
median elbow
What is the definition ofbdiscussions?
And if this is a discussion when do we start the voting phase?
quaint bramble
if someone suggested something concrete and you talk about that, trying to clarify or improve it, its relevant to this channel
if you continuously bring up new topics, rants or 'yeah yesterday i had a game where...'
thats the line where t should be moved
languid cape
Yeah ;-;
austere timber
Hi wwo developers and staff, i like how close you are to your community.
But
you shouldnt copletely leave the game to the community.
a voting about "stop grinding or not?" is just like a voting about "make printing money legal?"
You know, every grinder will vote "no"
if you want to stop grinding, stop grinding.
Its your game
shut pecan
I wanted to suggest something but after that comment nothing matters
Will suggest later xp
lapis summit
So
U ether use coins or cash to get a battle pass
Then use lots of coins to claim your battle pass items
Why? Itâs already hard to get coins
lament knoll
Heyy @austere timber
The vote doesn't decide whether something gets added or not, it's only a guide for the developers to see if people would agree with something like that, potentially
It's the devs which decide if they will add something or not #dev-vote only comes into play if they want to get an idea of if that idea would even make a difference if added or if it's not relevant for the players at all 
This wasn't about whether to stop it or not it was only about if enough people see it as a problem and if yes if they like that provided solution/think it could work 
Well hello @lapis summit
There is nothing that says you have to buy the tiers, if you are actively playing this game you will get the battle pass in the time provided
The gold you pay for the battle pass gets completely payed back to you if you finish it so it's practically free
It's up to you if you want to buy all tiers of just make an effort to get them without buying 
high fable
May I say something?
@austere timber If they actually did , like you said, they wouldn't have listed possible solutions there đ
calm pollen
Maybe items that were not bought by real money doesnt need to be transferable, but items that are, SHOULD. Mostly because you are supporting the dev by adding this juicy money to their account. In return you get an Item. This Item represents your money in some way. Deleting your account is not a good move. Your money that is on that account will be wasted forever. So i think transfer is the best way.
calm pollen
Btw if you dont know what im talking about see old chat lmao
languid cape
I discussed about grinding a lot here you can read way up
lament knoll
Hey @calm pollen
We do not encourage that, because then gamethrowers which want to avoid their ban can simply transfer their items into their alt and would basically have no effect from that...
I don't reallyyy see an urge in people needing to transfer their outfits on another account and for that minority adding an option that could be abused negatively by others more than from use doesn't seem like a that good solution 
Still thanks for your suggestion
lapis summit
@lament knoll but you work hard for the gold to buy the pass then have to get more gold to buy the things in the pass hows that fair?
fossil kettle
If game detects that 16 people from the same lobby are trying to play the game, wouldn't an automatic separation work? There are multiple factors to consider here, but it's another way of fixing it.
Grinding solution^
languid cape
@lapis summit you dont have to buy the items from the pass
You can get them with xp
lapis summit
Can you help me in pm please
languid cape
Ok
lapis summit
A suggestion, you know how players can donated gold to there clans. Can we set up something where you can give your friends gold?
rain fiber
in ranked,pls move gold league to 3k points
lament knoll
Sure @fossil kettle I'll put that on hold, gonna collect some alternatives to the suggestion of #dev-vote on a list and send them to Philipp then
fossil kettle
@lament knoll of course, because 16 player teams must be launched from a single lobby right? And is that a clan thing? Do clans usually grind?
runic dragon
For grind can be civil and duty players. They may or may not get support in changing their profiles, maybe disquise? đ
languid cape
I can translate from turkish if needed : )
lament knoll
Not all do, but a couple
Also just friends or groups of people not necessarily being of the same clan,, and yes we are talking about people filling up a quick/sand lobby to 16 players, or did I misunderstand your question? @fossil kettle
lament knoll
Heyy @rain fiber
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/658346163946389524 that's just been suggested around one and a half weeks ago, you can give it an upvote if you want to!
runic dragon
@languid cape google translate đ
languid cape
@austere timber thats not grinding
Grinding is where 16 players get invited to âplay with friendsâ and they go into quick game
austere timber
Oop
fossil kettle
Also custom games, give xp under certain conditions (or used to)
sacred sable
Must play 4 minutes in custom to get xp, yes
quaint bramble
Custom games xp farms are generally allowed because they dont affect winrates, and because you only get xp after 4-5 mins, which is considered a fair balance for the extra xp
And there is no actual cheating/rulebreaking
languid cape
Yeah the game shouldnt be so xp based..
Thats exactly why people are grinding for xp
median elbow
@rain fiber suggested and rejected but that would give talismans a true use
languid cape
You need xp for clan outfits, battle pass, clan level new items and lots of things
sacred sable
The game isn't that xp based though?
Imean, clans are very yes
But you kind of don't get anything out of it for personal level
rain fiber
buy 20 roses
median elbow
Xp means nothing.
lapis summit
A suggestion, you know how players can donated gold to there clans. Can we set up something where you can give your friends gold?
rain fiber
that is bad idea
i would take 2 phones and spin wheels forever and send gold to my main accoubt
sacred sable
Or several
lapis summit
Could set a limit to X gold per hour or per day
rain fiber
thats hard to make i guess
quaint bramble
@lapis summit Nope, gold tradign between acounts wont be a thing because its too easy to abuse
lapis summit
I can never get gold
quaint bramble
@rain fiber @median elbow The challenge ideas aren't necessarily rejected as far as i know, just not a priority idea that they are actively working on
@lapis summit check out the pinned message in #questions there is one that lists all the ways to get gold, there is more than just the ads wheel ^^
rain fiber
if its in the battle pass,they could make more lvls and add if u finish the daily quest ,u skip like 3 lvls or smth
median elbow
I like battle pass feature quests
rain fiber
it would make the game more interesting
west shoal
I got banned and now I am notbanned anymore
But i still have this notification
U got banned to this and this date ...will this be forever?
lament knoll
Hey @west shoal
Nope, that icon will only stay for another 2 weeks to remind you of your actions and that you shouldn't repeat them
You will be able to play normally tho
dw Yumi 
west shoal
Ok thanks
rain fiber
Is ban tracking feature uselessM
?
On profile it shows how many times u have been banned
median elbow
@west shoal don't worry about it even appealed bans stay there
sacred sable
Reposting suggestion:
Mass report players/report one player for multiple things.
Tired of finding a party of "alguem tem BR?" in sandbox and I can't be assed to report 13-15 players one at a time
lavish flax
Suggestion: Can we have like a way to choose how many roses we want to trade with players so that we donât have to keep giving one rose at a time...
Suggestion: Can we have an icon beside playersâ avatar under their profile which allows us to copy their avatar into one of our chosen avatar slots
shut pecan
Hey i suggest this buff for hh, so they have more reason to actually win as solo
To be able to mute target for 1 day
Only the 2 of em know
Would that be useful? Balanced?
ancient wasp
I want sect leader to be in ranked
silver ruin
A grinding feedback
Why not give guardian access to games that are way too short for confort. Like literally, they should probably see those match and see if it's a grind lobby. By logic, grind games get a lot quicker, a lot faster, so why not let guardian patrol along those region, and find those game with ease? It can change the setting for finding games like those (I mean you should be able to search upon games that have 16 player, but lasted no more than 3 day , or even shorter). Based on logic given by grinding, this mean there's more chance of game throwing to be seen at shorter games due to grind, and it would also work extremely well to ban those player
light edge
Why does everyone want a buff for alpha?
Alpha with his unk aura can be used to fake any solo role of the game.
glacial warren
@sacred sable mass report system has already been suggested before ^^
@lavish flax to be able to choose how much roses you want to send someone ^^
And copy avatar has also been suggested before ^^
@runic dragon already suggested before too ^^
@shut pecan I think this is too unbalanced tbh
@ancient wasp the sect leader is not balanced enough to be in ranked and it has been suggested before ^^
@runic dragon also suggested before ^^'
I'm sorry for the late reply everyone...
silver ruin
Like really, by logic of grinding, there should be a lot more offence across the match than normal match, imaging if guardian ban those inappropriate player, that uses some ruthless way to end a match like game throwing, then it would be seen quite easily
light edge
I agree on aww being useless in hh arso games đââïž
glacial warren
The possibility for roles to be changed is extremely low tbh. It's more liked to just add a completely new role ^^:
It has been suggested to buff and nerf them but ye :|
Role ideas - - > #role-ideas-readonly
Just trust, that it's worked on ^^'
median elbow
Im the settings there should be a way to preselect which report button you would like to have show up first. This would save people 12 seconds of their lives. If I want to preselect game throwing instead of hate speech then it would preselect it.
spare tundra
Sect leader's lover should be considered team sect regardless, to avoid such civil war...
silver ruin
but it also mean that sected ww would wanna gamethrow
mossy geode
hello I have something to ask you. If Headhunter's target was converted into werewolf. And we vote them. And we lost
Is this usual?
ripe stirrup
runic dragon
Day 1.
Gold league.
Werewolf found. He reveals arso.
Werewolves lost. This really needs to be pushed as a reportable bannable offense
The others said that that werewolf does that every round
tough patio
Thatâs not okay...
runic dragon
@tough patio it's not against the rules. They are different teams. It's BS.
So we can't do anything about it
runic dragon
Lying about stuff?
tough patio
I meant roles
tough patio
Ooo i c
runic dragon
10 wasn't even checked by aura nor detective
So now the other wws suffered because 6 revealed the solo and they need solo but we can't report as it's not against the rules
The only team that benefits from this is the village
dense rain
@pallid merlin i wait you 1 day but you dont write me
craggy dagger
Suggestion
Please make outing the solo killer directly as werewolf on day 1 or day 2 in ranked detective games considered a gamethrow. It is a gamethrow because it directly causes your team to be at a disadvantage
floral heath
Imagine saying a fake number is arso and they turn out to be arso đ
I mean the guardian can see the chat logs and all the checks from wwseer but still đ
craggy dagger
@floral heath itâs quite evident to a guardian checking a game whether a werewolf was certain that a player is a solo killer or whether they are just guessing
floral heath
@craggy dagger would you say even trying to guess the arso is gamethrowing too?
craggy dagger
This is where intention and understanding what the intention is, is of utmost importance
I think you bring up an important point @floral heath and that is players donât actually believe their chances of winning as ww is decreasing by outing the solo killer intentionally
floral heath
@craggy dagger I was about to say people would be aware of not being allowed to reveal ww or arso so theyâll believe the fake number is not ww/arso anyway hence the player who guessed is gamethrowing for confirming someone but then again if they believe it and kill the assumed ww/arso then that player was obviously still trying to trick everyone
craggy dagger
This comes under metareading essentially what you are describing.
dreamy burrow
If the one being accused has no claim he'd get killed anyway đ
floral heath
I think strategies involving gamethrowing whether they actually âgamethrowâ or not or with strategical intent should both be considered gamethrowing and reportable
craggy dagger
Suggestion
Please make intentionally outing the solo killer directly based on knowing who the solo killer is in ranked detective games on day 1 or day 2 considered a gamethrow because it directly causes your team to be at a disadvantage.
Under this suggestion, picking a number and calling them arso or sk if you are unaware is perfectly okay and it is at villageâs peril to decide whether the werewolf was making an honest read or just trying to do as much damage to village as possible.
I would also consider it okay if werewolves know who the solo killer is and out someone else as the solo killer instead.
runic dragon
@craggy dagger and it's also unfair to the solo. He doesn't have seeing abilities. He can't get revenge and out them. This is something only the werewolves can do
@floral heath that has happened before. But this particular person does it on purpose.
Isn't one of the rules about ruining the enjoyment of the game for someone?
Two things need to be fixed.
- Outing the solo out of spite
- Solos being allowed to announce they are solo and ask to be shot
2.... They can do this because they are solo and not effecting anyone on their team as they have no team mates
đ
forest rover
Would be revealing the fool considered as gamethrowing too?
runic dragon
Yes. We need fool too
forest rover
I mean,in ranked and early đ
floral heath
@forest rover pretending to be the seer when thereâs no Village seer is gamethrowing
runic dragon
If the village knows who fool is they won't be scared to vote
tidal monolith
@forest rover well most of the time ww out fool day 1 fool helps the village so itâs disadvantage to ww also
runic dragon
I feel it's the non village roles VS village. If I can't win as a werewolf then fool or sk/arso must win
If a werewolf outs me as fool I turn into the 4th rv. I'm on villagers side.
floral heath
@craggy dagger although Iâve been there and outted another player as Solo knowing they arenât really solo, making it illegal for people to actually reveal the solo invalidates any form of revealing a solo regardless if the intention is strategic or not with the principle of meta reading.
runic dragon
The best strategy is when bad roles work together
This is why sk kills confirmed and wws search for the other roles. At the end there's a good chance one of us win
floral heath
@craggy dagger also the suggestion is only limited to high ranked games because revealing Solo in other modes is a different matter.
craggy dagger
There comes a point where itâs important for wolves to get the solo killer lynched. That shouldnât really occur
@floral heath ranked detective games is specified in the suggestion.
floral heath
@craggy dagger so what about using a day 3 rule where they can reveal the solo killer after a certain time has passed
craggy dagger
That shouldnât really occur day 1 or 2*
Iâve also specified day 1 and day 2 as a no go zone, day 3 is completely fine imo
floral heath
Any form of revealing solo whether strategic or not cannot be used before day 3
When people are allowed to reveal solo, thatâs where people are also allowed to fake revealing solo
floral heath
I guess this also goes with the Solo revealing themself
craggy dagger
The general rule for that is that you shouldnât claim a non village role, strategically or not, before day 3.
tidal monolith
Do u consider hh and fool non village role here
craggy dagger
Yes
forest rover
That includes hh?Hh is a good scapegoat for evil roles if hh didn't claim before.
floral heath
HH is technically half Village
craggy dagger
Well, fool yes, hh no if target dead
tidal monolith
Cos I been in a game where this arso claimed fool day 1 and village left him and he eventually won
craggy dagger
Hh is a special case which is why I only want the suggestion to be for solo killers specifically atm
tidal monolith
Cos no one checked him or suspected him
runic dragon
Werewolves could only be allowed to out the solo to result in a win
forest rover
Do you know that hh if target dead doesn't make sense? @craggy dagger
runic dragon
Any other reason should be bannable
floral heath
@tidal monolith this is why I want to limit the suggestion towards high level games only
runic dragon
If rank is for serious players then the rules should be more serious
floral heath
In quick game you could get away with it
craggy dagger
claiming hh with a dead target is claiming to be village @forest rover
runic dragon
Why can't we have a whole list of different rules for rank
craggy dagger
@runic dragon the short answer is that involves hard work đ
runic dragon
I don't reveal myself as headhunter unless
- My target is dead
- I am checked. You know we're forced to claim
floral heath
Same
craggy dagger
Same
forest rover
But that makes you more suspicious + if discovered you're fake with alive fake target,they will find fake target susp
runic dragon
Oh and I have to sometimes CC because you know a late cc claim gets killed
floral heath
I donât always
craggy dagger
hh is a scapegoat btw ^^
runic dragon
If solo can say hey I'm arso shoot me day 1... Then rank is stupid
We might as well not even have the mode
tidal monolith
âIâm gunner jail me plsâ
floral heath
craggy dagger
Village doesnât want to kill gunners. Berserk is a tangential issue
runic dragon
Strict rules! Strict rules! Strict rules!
holds a protest
floral heath
Imagine following the rules
runic dragon
Well we can't do anything about the outing of the solo nor the solo asking to die day 1
Not reportable
Zzzz
floral heath
The solo asking to die is intending to lose, the definition of gamethrowing is purposely trying to lose
floral heath
Newbie ww seer revealing solo may not think they are actually hurting their team
runic dragon
But like the rvs faking aura and getting it wrong. Let's try and avoid it?
floral heath
So they arenât really intending to lose, they just made a terrible move
runic dragon
Better to just say hey I was nightmared but it's obvious 8 is bad
It's not game throwing... It's um...
Being dishonest
Dears makes up info sometimes. I'm a fake aura. She's actually checked me twice but given different infos
But DearS is pro
floral heath
Making up info is a gambit, itâs not an intention to lose
runic dragon
I personally would never do it as I'm not pro
floral heath
If you think someone is confirmed bad, you can just pretend you checked them
runic dragon
Just rather be honest
floral heath
But it shouldnât be reportable if someone tries to gambit
runic dragon
Unless you're an Airam or a DearS... Best to avoid
I'll threaten a report as some people use strats they're not ready for
I've lost games to the rvs faking aura "trying to take a tag"
floral heath
I got a question, is threatening to report a player if they kill you allowed or not? I hate it when this happens
runic dragon
I think PR were the creators of some of the strats? But unless you're pro AF you shouldn't use them