There’s nuance for why you should kill early/late as jailer.
#feedback-readonly
craggy dagger
This nuance is what makes the game a bit harder to solve
Killing early as jailer is sometimes a mistake, killing late is also a mistake sometimes.
For instance if the gunner wasn’t jailed and they have a bullet, you need to demonstrate to protectors that the gunner is not jailed and thus wolves will probably kill him
Thus jail kill early
sacred sable
Too bad docs never protect gunner
craggy dagger
Certainly not if they think he’s jailed
shut pecan
searches in google what nuance means
sacred sable
I
Have yet to see a doc protect gunner
If jailer kills jailed early at night
And yes, this is ranked
shut pecan
Ok i see now 😎
mortal sparrow
I was just thinking.
Can't we have IP bans instead of account bans?
sacred sable
Because once wws see jailer didn't jail gunner, doc for some reason thinks wws will go for aura/det
craggy dagger
I would if I was doc, and Im sure most good players would too
mortal sparrow
Or is that difficult to code?
sacred sable
Nah, people will just bypass IP bans
craggy dagger
I don’t think doc thinks about who the wws will kill at all most of the time
mortal sparrow
I would, if I was doc
craggy dagger
They just auto pilot to protect det/aura
sacred sable
Yeah well, they should
shut pecan
Cant gunner just show they are not jailed by sending rose or else
sacred sable
That's rose code
shut pecan
Or is that rose code too
craggy dagger
Just like how jww doesn’t tag revealed med over aura/det
sacred sable
And against rules
shut pecan
But that easily done not on purpose
sacred sable
Plus you can't see roses sent at night/from dead (?)
craggy dagger
Speaking of rose code, emoting first night is a clear sign that someone is not a wolf.
shut pecan
U mean if u emote ur not ww?
mortal sparrow
I never emote. Or send roses. Or anything. I just don't see the purpose of giving away roses.
craggy dagger
I’ve played about 2-3000 ranked games, this is true for almost all times
1/100 this read is incorrect
shut pecan
I emote sometimes as ww day 1, on purpose, but i get killed by sk for it 😹
mortal sparrow
You know what we should do?
Change quick mode to toxic mode.
But you name it 'quick mode'
And you have another mode like 'random mode' which is actually 'quick mode' but because all those newbs won't know we gather all the toxic players in one place
craggy dagger
Emote at night as tg 👍
I thought the toxic players gathered in ranked not quick play 👀👀
mortal sparrow
Or a mode where you have to apply to for playing.
Perhaps we could make a Discord mode? People need to ask on the Discord before they're allowed to play in it.
craggy dagger
A gamemode where you have to reach a certain goal to enter? This sounds familiar
mortal sparrow
I have a feeling everybody on Discord has shown to be willing to put time in getting better... a Discord mode would have better players in general I think.
shut pecan
Imagine a ww lobby with voice chat hahhaha
mortal sparrow
Imagine a game with voice chat hahaha
I wouldn't be surprised at all if my win rate would rise when I start to play raked games.
Or I'm underestimating everybody else who managed to win 35 times.
I remember from ToS that ranked games were up my alley.
shut pecan
I think part of the game is to convince both pro players and newbies that you are good or someone else is bad
mortal sparrow
There's a noticeable difference between good|bad alignment and good|bad player.
rigid bronze
@woeful mesa Will repost it 👍 🟩
@vale gyro well if you started a game, you shouldn't forget you did... I see the use of a push notif but tbh that should more up to the actual players :v I'll discuss it with staff 🟧
@vivid blaze Maybe it increases because you reply to them the same way ? ^°^ I know it sounds weird and not possible, but ignoring those people or just telling them to stop etc is the best thing to do (with a report but you said not to mention it :p). I know how hard it is, but replying is even worse ; if you want to lower hate speech, replying to it with it isn't the best solution at all, sorry 🟥
@astral spruce Okay okay, good idea ! 🟩
@shut pecan Actually the spirit seer checks the team, I agree it should be said in a different way or changed, but the situations where a conflict happen abt that are too little to make it be changed :( 🟥
@astral spruce I agree with the equality between roles, but just the fact that ww seer can't inform the ww team at the same night is too game changing... I'll discuss it with the staff team but I can't assure you anything 🟧
@mortal sparrow IP ban isn't allowed by iOS Terms of Services, and it would be unfair for Android so Devs don't want it
I know I "missed" a big part abt when X role kills, but that's a bit too big for me so I'll ask in #helpers first 😅
woeful mesa
Okay thanks^^
mortal sparrow
So you're saying there isn't any way to stop toxic players from playing
sacred sable
Lol, Apple forbids IP bans?
rigid bronze
Yep
mortal sparrow
Can I swear here?
sacred sable
MAC ban then
mortal sparrow
Fuck Apple.
sacred sable
Ban their device addresses
rigid bronze
I don't know if that's allowed 👀 I don't think so but imma ask 👍
@mortal sparrow Stay appropriate but yea
sacred sable
Especially when you can save MAC bans for repeat offenders
rigid bronze
Actually isn't it a problem with emulators ?
sacred sable
I still keep finding players taking a previous name I reported on another player
Obvious alting but
Wouldn't an emulator just use PC's MAC address
rigid bronze
Idk actually
vale gyro
Yeah well... i appreciate that you think a player shouldn't forget he started a game but reality looks a bit different. Every game i get at least 2 off people. And optional push notifications would really help there since the off player who's still on the phone gets reminded of it. I suggested it a while back tho
mortal sparrow
Can mods see that?
rigid bronze
Probably
mortal sparrow
Like, can you see which house I'm playing from?
rigid bronze
I'm not Guardian so I don't know but they may be able to see that
mortal sparrow
Well, once you ban someone, can't you create an area of let's say 20 metres from where they got banned, so they can't play inside of that area any more?
Eventually there's no places for them to go to again from that point.
So nobody can play inside of that area anymore?
sacred sable
You have
Millions of towers to do that
So millions of chances to bypass
rigid bronze
VPN
Also yea
And that looks like a ToS bypass so I don't think Devs would do that 😅
sacred sable
And if someone repeatedly bypassing IP ban keeps getting banned
Eventually people in those areas will be banned for no reaaon
Amd that's no good
mortal sparrow
Automated name detection is a no-go
For the example which you gave in which they came back with one letter difference.
rigid bronze
Well maybe someone wanted a similar name yk
mortal sparrow
That's why I said it's a no-go
sacred sable
WWO filter system still needs a hefty change
mortal sparrow
But if people can evade bans so easily
Why even have the option for banned players to talk to a Guardian?
sacred sable
So it can detect words in attempted bypasses
mortal sparrow
If they don't need to.
rigid bronze
(keep discussing that, I will first send the other feedbacks in #feedback-devs 👍)
sacred sable
Ban main account > make alt to play while waiting ban
Appealing ban is usually for players that didn't actually do something bad and people are abusing the report system on them
craggy dagger
Aura or seer finds ww first night eg 1 ww
Everyone from that point should say “1 ww” and if you can’t you’re confirmed ww
Just an example to exploit the filter
sacred sable
"1 evil"
mortal sparrow
EVIL
sacred sable
"1 is bad"
mortal sparrow
Evil backwards is live
craggy dagger
Say “1 ww” or confirmed ww
mortal sparrow
They'll call you out for hh
craggy dagger
that exact term is censored by the filter
sacred sable
Exactly, is abusing system
mortal sparrow
Oh wait nvm we were talking about names
mortal sparrow
Is there a way to detect what device someone uses?
sacred sable
Then
Why
Did you just suggest doing it lol?
craggy dagger
Because its a potential issue.
At some point someone’s going to figure out you can find out who’s a ww and who’s not using the auto gamethrow detector
mortal sparrow
If we could detect what device someone was using before they got the ban.
Could we link bans to the device they were playing from?
Does something like IP evading still work?
Eventually they'd run out of devices.
sacred sable
Yeah, and then you can report them for abusing the game's system/mechanics
craggy dagger
Where’s the rule preventing that?
mortal sparrow
But we're discussing the whole time how reporting doesn't solve the problem right now because they're gonna work their way around it.
sacred sable
"Other"
craggy dagger
Makes sense
sacred sable
Cheating is under Other
I'd say using a game system/mechanic improperly (IE BUG ABUSE) is cheating
mortal sparrow
Teaming is the "best" nasty way for people to cheat because if they know how to team, it's the least 'provable' thing to report them for.
craggy dagger
Another issue is if you want to get your vote onto a fellow ww or susp them the filter sometimes prevents you
rigid bronze
The thing you suggested abt seeing which device it is is linked to the MAC address @mortal sparrow
craggy dagger
“This player is a fellow ww, are you sure you want to vote them??”
rigid bronze
And I just asked to see if it's allowed or not
mortal sparrow
If it's allowed I would strongly recommend using it.
craggy dagger
“*no I want to put my vote on last and out myself as ww obviously!”
mortal sparrow
For the reason I mentioned
rigid bronze
@mortal sparrow it would probably be used if allowed yea
sacred sable
I'm
Pretty sure I can call someone out for teaming
When doc is calling all wolves out and kww didn't convert
craggy dagger
You get read as wolf or not depending on when you put your vote on a player, that’s how scrutinised you are
mortal sparrow
Yes but that's too obvious.
Sometimes I suspect players are teaming for the way they're playing.
sacred sable
Another would be
Someone saying another player is bad
When seer never gave them info
mortal sparrow
For example a 2vs1 town|ww situation. Where one of the townies votes someone who is 99% confirmed of being the other townie.
It could just be terrible play from their side but it rings so many alarm bells.
craggy dagger
What if you play with the same players a lot and know when they’re wolf or not by pattern recognition?
sacred sable
Or how suddenly everyome votes one player when they claimed a role
craggy dagger
Is that teaming?
mortal sparrow
I have it a few times where people on day 1 say someone is unk or evil when they're a town role other than seer. Like why.
I.e. a non-investigative role.
I wouldn't consider it teaming.
If you play well enough you'd know how to make your ww play look like town play
sacred sable
Yeah, cuz ima report someone for cheating/teaming and assuming I'm a ww because I had multiple games of ww in a row with the same players
craggy dagger
It looks a heck of a lot like teaming when you’re doc and you observe that
Not in a row, but over weeks of games
mortal sparrow
What do you guys do as Santa? I was Santa a few times. I always claimed Santa from the start on because it's literally the only role that can do nothing.
But then again that does mean you have all the time of the world to spot lurkers and scumslips.
sacred sable
Oh no
I speak specifically consecutively
craggy dagger
Santa can literally tell everyone his role using his ability
sacred sable
Yeah, but anyone can claim Santa
craggy dagger
Like he’s pretty much a mayor functionally
mortal sparrow
But without doubled votes
craggy dagger
Yeah cause wolves will cc santa or claim it outright
sacred sable
Santa can't reveal theirself
craggy dagger
Just like wolves claim gunner
mortal sparrow
Oh I have a fun story about someone who was Santa and tried to prove it.
sacred sable
Santa can't shoot ww cc
mortal sparrow
Okay so here's the story about someone who was Santa and proved it and the townies weren't paying attention.
craggy dagger
One Santa says he’s ho ho hoing
that night, if no one ccs he’s proven
If someone ccs they should make a plan
mortal sparrow
Okay so here's the story about someone who was Santa and proved it and the townies weren't paying attention.
So someone said they were Santa, and they would prove it that night by saying ho ho ho
He ho ho ho'd
Next day when asked he said he ho ho ho'd.
The freakin townies said
You didn't
I was like
WTF
sacred sable
Anyways
Ima re-suggest MAC bans for repeat offenders (say, obviously same person doing same thing/s (throwing, random killing) and more than 3 bans for it under record
mortal sparrow
Pay attention you beeps
craggy dagger
Like if someone says after a hohoho that THEYRE the real santa it’s complete nonsense
mortal sparrow
That's being taken care of
Santa is a good claim to make when you need another day
But then again so is every other role
If you play it well
If you know how to stretch time for 30s so you don't get too many votes in your perfect defense
craggy dagger
Most non villagers in sandbox just claim bh last time I was there
@sacred sable you prolly know sandbox meta better than me
sacred sable
Sorry but
I always claim bh when rrv
sacred sable
Also, I don't pay attention to sb meta
Because there IS no meta for qp/sb
Half the game suicides or afks
What is there to meta?
mortal sparrow
Oh yeah. Lurkers.
sacred sable
Also, Med can't revive non-villagers
mortal sparrow
People that say nothing.
craggy dagger
I can’t argue with that
mortal sparrow
Because they don't want to
Or because they're shy
Or slow typers
Or don't know what to say
But when we ask you for your role
Give it
sacred sable
"Me no speek Englis well"
mortal sparrow
And if you're seer
craggy dagger
Or they’re wolf
mortal sparrow
Always share your results
I exe'd a seer because they didn't give their result. I told that story earlier today but everyone roasted me like I was the culprit.
craggy dagger
Meanwhile when someone doesn’t claim in ranked and gets shot and its med or jailer somehow its the gunners fault
sacred sable
I can understand why Sandbox is English only
But why are people that can't speak English playing it then?
craggy dagger
Even though he asked for a role 99% of the time
mortal sparrow
I had a game today where someone claimed 'padre'
In english quick play
Turns out that padre is priest.
In whatever language he should be playing in
sacred sable
Jailer: jails and kills med n2 at random
mortal sparrow
Random shots and waters
When they work they don't even know they're wrong randoming
craggy dagger
instead of yknow, the CLAIMED GUNNER
mortal sparrow
That would be straightout teaming or gamethrowing.
mortal sparrow
Just in general.
Townies that lurk.
Why.
Why are you not contributing anything.
craggy dagger
But whenever a wolf is jailed jailer is like “meh” lets not kill them
mortal sparrow
TFW medium says 'I have no info' just bcuz all the dead people have left already.
Like you could at least try to spot lurkers, or ask questions to others.
There's more to your role than just your role.
craggy dagger
Det first info 6#7 6 clams jailer 7 claims doc. The jailer jails 7 that night and doesn’t exe so he gets killed by the witch instead.
mortal sparrow
You're a townie. Not just the medium who can talk with dead people and revive someone. You're also a townie and should try help solving the game.
With, like, logic, maybe.
craggy dagger
👏👏👏👏 that’s already a darn sight better than most people
mortal sparrow
I think the one thing that a lot of new players should learn first is not communicating, not trying to look as town whether they're ww or not.
They should know how to apply logic and share their thoughts based on that logic.
After all, werewolf is a 'social deduction game'.
Learn how to deduct.
If there are 5 people left, you are a townie, two other people are confirmed townies (or 99%-confirmed townies), and someone calls one of the two out for lying.
Don't start thinking that that confirmed townie is lying.
I see so many players that go only by their own instincts.
I am guilty of that, but I do listen to what others say. If I don't believe it, I say it.
But in my defence so far my instincts were more often right than wrong.
craggy dagger
The det often is forgotton and gets asked to claim or gets checked if they don’t have a presence jn game
sacred sable
Suddenly confirmed townie was convertrd by kww
craggy dagger
kitty is balanced
mortal sparrow
I've seen town roles claiming something other than their actual role.
craggy dagger
Kit, that’s exactly why kww is the most BS role
mortal sparrow
For example the doctor claiming a role like priest.
Like.
Is that because you don't want wws to know you're doc?
People laughing at others when they win.
Gotta hate 'em.
craggy dagger
not wanting wolves to know you’re doc so you don’t claim when you’re checked by det is one of the most bs excuses I’ve seen
WOLVES ARENT GONNA KILL U BUD
THEY WILL MISLYNCH YOU FOR NOT CLAIMING!
sacred sable
wwb ig
craggy dagger
Doc is the most mislynched or mis-shot role for a good reason
sacred sable
I can't confirm or deny because either I die n1
Or I get left alone
Because any time I've claimed doc
I get counterclaimed
And somehow I'm the one lying
craggy dagger
Try winning a game as a non villa role when you get checked first night every time
sacred sable
Why?
Because outfit
mortal sparrow
TFW werewolf who is about to get lynched gives away the other wws.
Like
Kaching
But also
Thanks for spoiling the game.
Although actually.
One game there was such a beep
craggy dagger
revealing the solo killer when you’re about to die as ww isn’t gamethrowing
mortal sparrow
And wws still won because no one believed he would actually share who the other werewolves are.
As in: he's ww. He wants to win. He's never actually telling the truth when he says who the other wws are.
craggy dagger
Plot twist he was a serial gamethrower
mortal sparrow
I had a game where the last remaining ww told me off as the sk.
I was like. Thanks bud.
Could it be considered teaming because now they're on the town's side?
Even though they themselves were eliminated?
I don't think it is.
sacred sable
9 arso
seer dead, wolf seer ig
rrvs are witch, granny & bh
mortal sparrow
Tbh I was an arso once, and I decided to help town figure out who the wws were through the medium.
sacred sable
"Vote 9"
mortal sparrow
But I didn't share these reads until after I was lynched.
Someone who doesn't talk or vote for two days straight should get auto eliminated from a game.
Agree or disagree
Or basically
Everybody has an ability
If they're also not using their ability
For like 3 game phases, so 2 days 1 night or 2 nights 1 day.
Anti AFK program.
Something like that.
I wish you could change the color of your eyes.
Like.
You can change the color of your icon.
Eyes and hairstyles would be the other things that you would want to change the color of.
Also, there should be a few more things to choose from in your inventory from the start when it goes for making your avatar.
Even know I only have 1 pair of eyes 1 mouth style 1 gravestone like.
It's taking too long.
wintry marsh
I need the room placement in ranks to be more precise. Why put level 13 in GOLD rank? Tired of losing skill because ranks is just BS. Next season, please fix.
rigid bronze
@mortal sparrow The file type that is used for the avatars are sadly not compatible with colours changing, if you want another colour you need another set of eyes :v
(it can't be changed)
languid cape
^^
random bone
It would be really nice for our eyes if we would have a Dark-Mode like this:
languid cape
Woooow
random bone
10 minutes paint net xDD
languid cape
This like, must be added
crisp isle
Bring the spectate mode back in ranked. I will make it short since I know Philipp and Emanuel dont want to read long texts.
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It doesnt necessarily give advantage to ww. 1 less random villager is 1 scapegoat for ww. So it s good for village. Those who say: friends can come in game and quit at count down to give villagers less change to win. They dont make sense.
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People sometimes want to play but don't have time so they spectate. It s fun.
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People can learn / teach via spectate. This is huge considering it give people a chance to VC with others who r in game to commentate and learn. This will make tutoring much easier
languid cape
If this idea gets added there wont be any “less player” problems and people who dont wanna join the game wont join
covert star
Ty
peak knot
Spectator mode is fun and in my experience, it didn't cause much trouble when it was there in ranked. It was used quite a lot and people liked it
craggy dagger
The only bad thing about spectator mode was when a spectator joined the last spot the countdown didn’t start and everyone had to vote, thas bout it
quaint bramble
@craggy dagger People moving to spectator in the countdown to force-start the game with less players was a big problem as well imo. I mean it;s still possible now, but it was much more prevalent with spectator mode.
I do wanna report that start-as-spectator idea, and i do hope it comes back to ranked at some point
sacred sable
Only if they keep the option to switch to spectator out
glacial warren
@random bone Hey ^^ dark mode has already been suggested before ^^ Thank you for your feedback anyways 
woeful hinge
Can i suggest sandbox or one of the play options is level x up? Like above level 15 or something? Especially in sandbox, there are so many noobs randoming and makes the games irritating 😞
stiff fossil
i am just reported for playing with my friend
just why i didnt get it
we cant play with friend
???
rigid bronze
You can play with friends, but you shouldn't share any infos with him, just play like regular people
stiff fossil
just a quick game
then whats the point
if we didnt involve on the same team
how we play
he is just sitting on my right side
its just nonsense
and i get reported for that
then delete the play with friends section from the game
i just suggest that
or figure something out
quaint bramble
You can play in the same game, but you still play with 14 other people as well. If you are ww/villager, you should help your team, not your friend
stiff fossil
i didnt help him
quaint bramble
you can enjoy it without saying 'i know his role cause he is my friend' for example
sacred sable
Unless you're zombies
stiff fossil
i try to win as a werewolf
and we won
then other wolf reported us
he was cursed
quaint bramble
You can contact a guardian if you think you are banned for a wrong reason.
we cant help you here or discuss about it
runic dragon
quaint bramble
Ooh then you are making a big fuss about it.. the reports get checked manually by the staff, if you didnt actually do something wrong they wont ban you.
vapid nymph
Move the blue eyes with the red tear drop next to each other
willow nymph
who im goin to contact if I didn’t get any of my purchases?
rigid bronze
You can contact howl@werewolf-apps.com with order receipt, but first make sure you didn't got them, restart your app and if you don't have lootboxes on your main screen then you can contact the support !
willow nymph
@rigid bronze how?
rigid bronze
What do you mean ?
willow nymph
how to contact howl@werewolf-apps.com? @rigid bronze any links?
rigid bronze
It's an email
willow nymph
ok
rigid bronze
😁
willow nymph
thanks
rigid bronze
Yw
wide parrot
Hello dear WWO team,
I apologize in advance for my pronunciation bad English
(i just google translate it) I find your game class, but I lack the variety in the Gold Ranked. So where I arrived in the Gold League, everything is overheard.
Everyone knows immediately what to do with a combination of roles. IT's getting stressfull for some Players to.
Quickplay 10/10 Absolutely
Sandbox 7/10
The choice of roles is really huge, but I think you can do even more, like an Exclusive Sandbox Ranked! Where people play serious games at sandbox.
Ranked 8/10 Please new RRV roles please from Sanbox!
and otherwise i really can't complain about your game!
I hope we getting Huge changes!😁
#Attack2020
quaint bramble
The sandbox is for testing new roles, some of them still have bugs so they cant go into ranked or quickgame yet ^^
ranked role setups might change a little bit more over time, but we cannot promise this yet right now
zenith kayak
I suggested this over 24 hours ago and still haven't gotten any attention on it
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/660600949143765022
vapid nymph
Also have a feed back that was suggested 2 hours ago and I assume it was seen by at least 1 helper but no response 👀
lament knoll
@zenith kayak
Add an option to search through your friendlist. Unlike the search for friends option now, itll show just people you have friended. when you search it would give the 3 closest usernames to what you entered
That? ^^
zenith kayak
yep!
zenith kayak
@lament knoll forgot to ping ^^'
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze sorry for the late response. I'm the one who suggested revising the hate speech rule.
You've misunderstood my point as expected.
I said that the hate speech rule should be revised for ones who stand up for themseleves, not remove it completely obviously.
When you say that reacting to it is gonna increase it you're a bit wrong. Just sitting there and allowing people to insult us is even worse.
What I mean is that there should be no restriction on how people want to react. They can choose to ignore it or insult them back. It's a basic thing that everyone has the right to do.
And tbh usually I've seen ig that some players literally don't shut up or play properly unless you scream at them.
And again, don't try to bring in 'reports' into this conversation and I already explained why.
latent saddle
add skip tier button for clan quest !
if you have for example shirt from clan quest and you canceled that quest and after few weeks you want to get full quest you dont need to start from tier 1 you can skip tier 1 and you wont get the item from tier 1 and you dont need to collect xp for it !
or if that tier has roses and you dont want roses skip that tier and you wont get that roses
unique cargo
Hello, I didn't say any bad word, but I was reported automatically?
warm helm
@vapid nymph im so sorry for the mate reply, but i will post it to #feedback-devs. Thanks for your feedback ♡
@latent saddle i will post that to #feedback-devs, thank you for your suggestion ♡
@unique cargo the automatic system sometimes doesnt work properly or in this case reports you for saying a normal word. Sorry for the problems 
runic dragon
you can change your language server...
mortal sparrow
Change your language you are playing in by clicking the flag icon in the top left corner.
🇫🇷 🇳🇱
runic dragon
maybe that's #bugs-readonly
cobalt quartz
Little Feedback:
When a BattlePass is coming to an end many people haven't still completed it and many more starts rushing to the top to reach the best level possible.
The BattlePass starts to be unfair for those people and it loses the funny plays.
I propose to add a little exp double (BP only) near the end of the pass,maybe 1 week or some days before to boost a little those poor guys.
minor python
It would be nice if you can see what you buy on your avatar. I would like to know if the glasses i want to buy fit my avatar.
runic dragon
@minor python preview mode would work for you
worn berry
can we add a feature that the player can mention someone ig by touching the player that they wants to mention ig instead of typing numbers?
high fable
1 days
Not a big mistake. Just change days to day when the day is 1. Or maybe add (s)
echo maple
J'ADORE CE JEU
rigid bronze
xD merci beaucoup, c'est très gentil et c'est surtout grâce à des joueurs comme toi que ce jeu est si bien 
par contre le serveur est anglophone, si tu veux parler en français faut aller dans #french 😁
runic marlin
Diamond rank +2300 plz
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze reminder to check out the message I previously tagged you in
rigid bronze
@vivid blaze true, I saw it but it made me wake up so I forgot, my bad
Will check that asap 
runic marlin
And in Diamond get out priest and aura and put ss and 4 ramdom villagers
To hard i think
runic marlin
Lets suggest more
runic dragon
it probably won't work...
peak knot
We can't suggest enough the urgency of new leagues
runic dragon
^
rigid bronze
@vivid blaze I see what you mean by that... I guess it's a solution, but honestly not the best one ; fighting fire with fire 👀 but then, imagine someone answers you with insults, you answer with insults, them he does, you do etc... It's just horrible for other players... Even tho, yes I totally agree it would fix that kind of hate speech sometimes
runic dragon
I am band for nothing😠
rigid bronze
Since I'm not really sure to post it or not in #feedback-devs, I will ask other staff's thoughts
runic dragon
rigid bronze
@runic dragon^
peak knot
There needs to be a more complex ranked system that makes sure for more accurate matchmaking
That's really all we want. To play with people with about the same skill
runic marlin
@peak knot yeee
We need to join at the same time to the Game to have fun and good games
peak knot
I think most of us have had played football matches that they ended up winning or losing 10-0 or more. Were those matches really fun to play?
runic dragon
hh, ideally, should try lynching target first
but the current mechanics aren't encouraging that
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze well do you have a better solution?
Like I said earlier, regardless of it being fire with fire, people have the right to react.
Secondly, even if it keeps going on and on, it's only if they choose to react and go on. Like I said earlier, some people cannot take bs and just sitting there and taking in all the insults is the worst option of all.
Not reacting to make an effort to stop bullying is even worse for the player and for other players too, so yeah.
If you really wanna punish people, use guardians to punish the ones who started it.
By restricting people and not allowing people to even stand up for themseleves (which is such a basic right), you guys yourself are technically harassing them by allowing other players to openly insult players and putting weight and not allowing the victims to stand up for themselves.
In summary, people must have the right to ignore or react it's their choice. Simple.
ripe stirrup
create a new type of guardian: the banner. they are
players that if they see an incorrect conduct they can ban you directly
obviously not everyone can be a banner
but this would end the majory of this
...
GAMETHROW
vivid blaze
@ripe stirrup if you're close referring to 'reporting' then I'm sorry I said not to bring in reporting into this argument. And I've explained earlier why
mortal sparrow
Like, a guardian or mod can give them the ability of being a banner.
vivid blaze
However I do like your idea. It's obviously better than the current one.
ripe stirrup
reporting is still legit
vivid blaze
@ripe stirrup please scroll back using my username and see why I said not to mention reporting in this argument
mortal sparrow
Then ban reporting completely if it doesn't work.
Or give everybody the ability to insta ban anyone they dislike.
vivid blaze
Well we're trying to improve the road here, not completely destroy it
mortal sparrow
That'll show us how toxic this community is 
ripe stirrup
i just gave a solution. accepting it or not, i dont care. the community will talk.
vivid blaze
It's not really that effective of a solution but I'd love to see it implemented coz its obviously a better addition to the current system which'll improve things slightly
mortal sparrow
ripe stirrup
i just want those idiot people to disappear. jail kill and suicide, random shot and suicide, random reveal and suicide, teamers...
mortal sparrow
Exactly.
vivid blaze
@ripe stirrup everyone wants to. We're sick of giving so many solutions here and the devs find excuses not to implement them
mortal sparrow
If only we could also make such idiot people disappear irl, then the world would be better.
Though I'd disappear too lol
rigid bronze
Giving banning power to anybody isn't a great idea at all. Guardians, even if it looks like to you they're not doing anything, ban hundreds of players every day. Even tho, I'm not blind, I see that there are still toxic players, gamethrowers etc
ripe stirrup
not anybody
rigid bronze
Well basically a random guy could come and have banning powers
ripe stirrup
select people (idc who) with a sense of justice
rigid bronze
And even legally, I don't think it's allowed
ripe stirrup
look @rigid bronze
mortal sparrow
No. People need to apply to a guardian to give a report to a player that counts as 12 reports so it gets instantly looked at.
Sort of like report helpers
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze please answer my response too.
rigid bronze
Yep wait
ripe stirrup
do you consider yourself a clever boy/girl/non-bynary human/alien?
vivid blaze
We're saying to give that power to a guardian, not a random guy obviously
ripe stirrup
would you randomly ban?
mortal sparrow
I report so many people.
ripe stirrup
at least i wouldnt
for example @mortal sparrow would be a great candidate for 'banner'
mortal sparrow
And no, I wouldn't. Not at all
Maybe banner as in the sense of a banner that says 'can't handle this situation'
ripe stirrup
and another thing. make couple ww win if they are in majory, not if they are last alives
this is gonna do 'boom!'
meager gyro
Hey 😅
There are reasons only guardians can ban and those are legal reasons, but also that you need to be extremely trustworthy and no, not everyone is trustworthy (they can ban ppl with less than 12 reports if they are ingame, but they always will report themselves)
rigid bronze
So you're suggesting to give some people the power of doing something like 12 reports at once ?.. I see why... But like just one person doing it bad or abusing it, would make guardians ultra busy for days, Devs would probably stop that system immediately etc
ripe stirrup
@rigid bronze would u abuse of that?
mortal sparrow
So you're saying that no one will ever be more trusted than you ever
rigid bronze
I'm not everyone
mortal sparrow
Well this community is so unsensical
meager gyro
Yes there would be ppl that abuse that
rigid bronze
I never said I would be trusted enough 👀
mortal sparrow
We need a multi-layer system in the game. Not just developers - guardians - everybody else.
meager gyro
They won't as we have a working guardian system
Its their task and they are already doing it.
ripe stirrup
or a guardian
vivid blaze
Well the thing with the current reporting system is that if you get banned u can come back super easily with a new fake acc within seconds. There is literally no weight or restriction in making a new acc it's literally like a red carpet for gamethrowing and toxic people. That's why I kept 'reporting' out of the argument coz realistically it's useless and nowhere near to be called a solution.
But ofc what @ripe stirrup has suggested does improve things and will reduce the problem. No matter how small the magnitude, improvements should always be made.
meager gyro
Guardian are responsible for bans.
mortal sparrow
We need:
Developers check guardians.
Guardians check Report Helpers.
Report Helpers check reports.
Reporters check everybody.
So everything gets handled.
Guardians will ban Report Helpers and undo bans they made when they are reported themselves for being bad report helpers.
And developers check Guardians.
This way nobody needs to get added to the Guardians but the report system functions better than it does now because I can understand there are more toxic players than only the Guardians can handle.
ripe stirrup
guardians arent gods (are they?)
mortal sparrow
Spread the handing out and checking of bans across more than the people there are now.
meager gyro
Guardians already check reports and ban
mortal sparrow
Yes but we're not winning the war as of now are we?
ripe stirrup
but thats too much work for a guardian
meager gyro
There are reasons that its only a few ppl
thick bolt
@meager gyro Guardians check reports after 12 reports though...
ripe stirrup
make someone who is IN GAME banning
runic dragon
guardians are in game
meager gyro
They can ban if they are ingame as I said
mortal sparrow
Guardians won't have the task of checking every report. You check like half of them. The Report Helpers check all the reports. Once a guardian has enough cases of a Report Helper not dealing with reports the right way, they undo the Report Helper of their privilege. Makes the Guardian's task easier as it spreads it out across multiple layers.
runic dragon
they play sometimes
meager gyro
They are banning hundreds of players each and every day
They play the game as we do and if there is someone they can ban 😅
mortal sparrow
I'm just giving an example of how it may work
Don't you think hundreds of players is too many?
Not just the amount of toxic players
But for the guardians to handle everything
ripe stirrup
there are more
mortal sparrow
And that's why I suggest: spread it out across more people.
meager gyro
Everything has been suggested already, its not a new idea but it was declined for the things I mentioned above
mortal sparrow
Like how it works in a church. Or in ancient Rome.
vivid blaze
@meager gyro it doesn't matter how many they ban. Like I said, even if they ban a million, they keep coming back super easily and currently there is literally no way of even making it difficult to come back with fake acc.
Remember, they're banning accounts, not players
meager gyro
@vivid blazeThat has already been discussed many times
ripe stirrup
if no one is gonna move a finger, ill keep repeating this
vivid blaze
I've given so so many suggestions to improve it but well u know how things happen around here
ripe stirrup
meager gyro
Yeah at least 500 of the 1500 suggestions in #feedback-devs of the last year are ingame by now
#feedback-readonly works, guardians will keep on banning
Just keep on reporting, I know some games a frustrating, just keep calm and report
vivid blaze
It's obvious enough that the devs focus on small and sometimes useless things rather than the biggest issues
ripe stirrup
so i won the competitive game because seer was stupid
he threw the game
need more mottives?
meager gyro
Then report him
vivid blaze
Even if they implement 1499 small things, the 1 important suggestion will always outweigh all of them
runic dragon
it's never going to be fully fixed
ripe stirrup
everyone did it
runic dragon
just stop. there's no point in arguing
vivid blaze
@meager gyro we just mentioned that reporting is useless for God's sake.....
mortal sparrow
Here. Make a pyramid system.
At the top sits the developers.
Then comes the guardians. The developers check the guardians if they are doing their work properly. Guardians have all abilities when it comes to reporting, dealing with reports, etc. They may make use of it whenever they want.
After the guardians come the banners. The banners can check reported players and deal with the reports. They are checked by the guardians for doing their work properly. So if a banner is banning innocent people or let guilty people stay in the game, the guardian will let them drop down or undo them from their abilities entirely.
After the banners come the report helpers. The report helpers can send reports that count for multiple reports, so a case gets looked at earlier by the banners or guardians.
After the report helpers comes everybody else. They can just report people they think should be banned.
When someone higher than 'everybody else' is not doing their work properly, the layers above them can downgrade them to a lower rank or remove them from gaining these abilities ever again. When people have been doing their job well for the community for a long amount of time, they may ask for a 'raise'.
Everybody needs to apply for such a role through devs/guardians/banners. Everybody who's higher up the rank that they're asking for to be.
vivid blaze
And it's literally a time waste for us
meager gyro
Reporting isnt useless
Its useless if none reports
ripe stirrup
imagine this: 15 teamers and 1 dude who is just there, enjoying the team
who is gonna report?
vivid blaze
Well the game wouldn't be the way it is rn if it was useful so....
meager gyro
The one dude will report
if its clan teaming you can report it directly in a guardians dms
ripe stirrup
and if they arent a clan?
mortal sparrow
Please take a look at the pyramid system I suggested.
ripe stirrup
just separate players?
runic dragon
it really won't change much...
meager gyro
that's too much use of if
@mortal sparrow I wont discuss 5 things at once, one after another
ripe stirrup
keep going
vivid blaze
@meager gyro tell us something. What's the point of you telling us go report them even knowing well yourself they easily can and do keep coming back
thick bolt
I see what Lisa is saying btw. She kind of right
ripe stirrup
ill just stop and watch the panorama
mortal sparrow
Okay. When you're ready to talk about it, @ me @meager gyro
vivid blaze
Nowadays, reporting = time waste
meager gyro
@vivid blaze Did you ever get the Some of the ppl you recently reported got banned message?
thick bolt
(btw I have reported hundreds of players and 2-3 are banned)
vivid blaze
And it's clear and obvious. Stats don't lie
meager gyro
Which stats?
mortal sparrow
About that message, I was told yesterday IIRC that sometimes only the person who sent the 12th report gets that message.
Idk who told me it.
vivid blaze
@meager gyro their accounts get banned yes but they come back with new ones super easily ffs. Don't make me repeat
mortal sparrow
And if it's true, it definitely needs a change
runic dragon
it's varied. who knows how many
just repeated reports
mortal sparrow
MAC ban suggestion has been made many times and I'll suggest it again.
ripe stirrup
we are good players. we are talking in name of the good players. if we complain, its not for plaisure
meager gyro
@vivid blaze You repeat yourself a lot, I'll just repeat to read what I said the last time we discussed about alts
runic dragon
and reports should be treated equally. can't just make a report count multiple times
vivid blaze
By stats I mean gamethrowing/toxicity has hardly reduced ig let alone that its increasing
mortal sparrow
So do you mean just legalize it so there's no illegal actions?
That's how weed got legalized in variosu countries
meager gyro
Thats your feeling, feeling is not a trustable variable
vivid blaze
@meager gyro is it that you said that you have a system of dealing with fake accs?
Well I can clearly see you guys dont
runic dragon
you can't prioritize reports like that
meager gyro
No I didnt said that and I wouldnt say it if there was
runic dragon
there's no standard for you to do so
mortal sparrow
Not too long ago I assume
ripe stirrup
stop talking y'all for a sec plz
vivid blaze
@meager gyro maybe not u but a helper said it
mortal sparrow
^^
ripe stirrup
thanks
mortal sparrow
Let Lisa do the talking and handle everything one by one
ripe stirrup
rn feedback seems #war
runic dragon
ikr
ripe stirrup
everyone has its part of reason
there is someone who already does the proposed
not effectively as we wanted, tho
having said this
here comes a long one
mortal sparrow
I could finish an entire chess game before Lisa finishes her message ikr
Take your time Lisa 😉
Maybe she's handling everything of the last 500 posts in one go.
limber lily
Lisa is writing a poem
ripe stirrup
id like to read it
limber lily
roses are red, wwo is wholesome, i dont know what to say, lisa is awesome
runic dragon
^
runic dragon
chill
mortal sparrow
We probably have to scroll
ripe stirrup
do you imagine something like...
'you are wrong'
meager gyro
Once there are rules there will be people who will try to break them, it's naturally
Other games solve that by not being free to play.
Therefore we have the reporting system and the guardians who's task it is to check those and ban players that needs to be punished
12 reports are alot, yes, but things like random shooting, gamethrowing on purpose, teaming, insulting, general toxic behaviour or spamming, trolling will be most likely banned, because there will be enough players who report that behaviour
Getting back on an alt isnt that easy as you think, also they'll get banned again and again till they change their behaviour
That one player who accidentally shoot you probably wont get banned because there werent enough reports, yes.
You need to differ between your experience ingame and the general state of the game
Guardians are picked to do that 'job' because it requires a lot of trust from the side of the devs, but also from everyone else to let them suspend ppl from the game
You don't need to only trust the team, you need to be able to trust every single one of them to do their task right and this us still internet
Picking some players to ban directly ingame and bypass reports would be unfair to the those that are banned after reports (and we all want to have someone to review our own reports in a calm and neutral situation after the game and not while being frustrated right?)
Picking some players would make the whole system unfair, intransparent, not professional, less reliable
Should they apply? Why dont they apply as guardian? Are they picked by level? Pls no, following rules doesnt depend on levels and I know too many high level players who think random shooting is a tactic.
How to make sure they don't abuse before they would be assigned?
(Considering that suggestion would be possible)
If you wanna ban, apply and get picked.
mortal sparrow
And what system do we use? Have you looked at the pyramid system?
Surely the current situation of 'players that should be banned' vs 'people that can ban players' is out of balance.
ripe stirrup
and im not talking about a accidental shoot. im talking of a dude who jail kills me because of being a 'furry'
mortal sparrow
I can copy paste the pyramid system here if you want to take a look at it @meager gyro
meager gyro
I think I answered that in the last part 😅
ripe stirrup
and no. it wouldnt be unfair. if you suck, you get reported. if there is a 'banner', and there will be a banner, it will be faster, most effective and better
mortal sparrow
Also I have much respect that you see all of this as 'kind messages' while basically everybody went for their own suggestions
runic dragon
what, exactly, is the difference between a banner and a guardian?
meager gyro
yes it's very fast in theory but wont work in rl 😅
runic dragon
the more you talk the more i get confused
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze still waiting for your response btw about the hate speech rule argument.
mortal sparrow
I can understand that the amount of guardians is unlikely to change. But at the same time it seems that there is too much for the guardians alone to handle. That's why I suggested to spread out the system and have guardians check those that are added to the team.
ripe stirrup
banner is someone that actually plays this game a lot, who plays a random game and says:
6 just got random jailed killed for having a black skin
REPORT
mortal sparrow
They wouldn't be accepted as banner
thick marsh
What does setto mean
runic dragon
so you see someone throwing in game and you just ban it is what you're saying?
mortal sparrow
Banners can only ban players once there are 12x reports. We still need reports. That's why I also suggested Report Helpers whose reports count for more.
rigid bronze
@vivid blaze I thought you were still talking abt that with Lisa, my bad, but still, you can't answer to fire with fire, it will only make things worse
runic dragon
banners = guardians so...
mortal sparrow
I.e. somewhat trusted players that make sure some players get looked at faster.
runic dragon
don't reports get players looked faster alr?
mortal sparrow
Not if you're the only one reporting them.
runic dragon
if it's serious gamethrowing, i don't get why i'd be the only to report.
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze please read through that message again properly. You said the same point like u did earlier. I've answered it in the response
mortal sparrow
Okay so banners and guardians are much the same. That's not really the point I was going to. I was saying we could look at a system where there are multiple 'ranks' of people like in ancient Egypt or in a military
thick marsh
Can we have a megamod/mod/mini mod of the month that members can vote for
mortal sparrow
Basically having a megamod/mod/minimod in game would help deal with reports faster since there's more players looking and checking reports, would make guardian's task less demanding. Something along those lines.
rigid bronze
@vivid blaze Well yea, but this arguement stays, it would only make things worse
mortal sparrow
Where basically the megamegamods do not check reports, just check other people from the banning team.
A one-layered system (of only guardians) is too demanding for the guardians.
meager gyro
A mega mod/ mod of the month would be exciting 
Discord staff doesnt handle reports or ingsme bans
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze so you expect us to just sit there like an idiot and let them insult us wow
meager gyro
We are movinf circles btw 😅 Let's get it to an end 😉
mortal sparrow
We have such a system here. Why can't we use it in the actual game as well? It makes little sense.
runic dragon
yeah. maybe it's time to end this
vivid blaze
I've already mentioned that its the people's choice if they want to react or not, and other people (staff) should have no right on restricting that
sudden dock
this is beautiful 🥺
i don't know if im intervening so i can delete this if anyone wants
rigid bronze
@vivid blaze Well no, but since you don't wanna talk abt reports then yes
vivid blaze
Reporting is out of the topic and u know why
mortal sparrow
I just want this question answered: Why is there a megamod/mod/minimod system here in the Discord to deal with people that break the rules in this server, but not a similar system in the actual game itself (as far as I'm aware), where there are many more people that need to be looked at?
limber lily
@meager gyro do u like my poem
vivid blaze
Can you properly explain how on earth not allowing people to stand up for themselves is better than giving them their rightful right
rigid bronze
Well if someone shoots you, but you shoot back, how many people would die ? 2
If you accept being shot, how many would die ? 1
It's a big a weird example yes, but it's to show you that it's useless doing that
vivid blaze
And besides, people who really wanna make things worse, do it in other ways by insulting people in the first place and gamethrowing. Remember, defending yourself and standing up for yourself is not called making things worse.
runic dragon
you're not defending in a correct way ^
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze makes no sense, especially shooting and talking is totally different
meager gyro
The game is more than bans, reports and gamethrowing (which shouldnt mean its not important to handle those)
But we're in charge of different things and helpers got different tasks than mmods, mmods got different tasks than mods, mgm do some other stuff as well
You cant compare discord staff to guardians those are completely different systems @mortal sparrow
rigid bronze
Defending yourself isn't making things worse, but defending the way you do is @vivid blaze
You don't talk abt talking, but abt insulting. Not the same thing at all
You're allowed to talk, but not to insult back
vivid blaze
Which is exactly what I want an explanation for
mortal sparrow
megaguardian/guardian/miniguardian/helper/mentor like.
vivid blaze
What do people do when they get slapped? They slap back
vivid blaze
You're expecting players to get slapped and not allowing them to slap back
runic dragon
they shouldn't slap back
rigid bronze
Exactly...
runic dragon
just because someone did it to you doesn't make it right
vivid blaze
Maybe they shouldn't, but they have the right to
rigid bronze
Slaping back is the worst thing to dl
runic dragon
if i stabbed you in the gut and you stabbed me back both of us are guilty
meager gyro
@mortal sparrow "You cant compare discord staff system 1:1 to guardian system
you cant implement the style of the guardian system on discord or vice versa"
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze talk about shooting, if someone shoots u, even if u shoot them back, you've got the revenge and given the gamethrower the lesson they deserved
runic dragon
you didn't
rigid bronze
Well no
vivid blaze
@runic dragon then tell me you expect us to sit there and soak everything in?
rigid bronze
Revenge isn't a solution at all
runic dragon
report.
vivid blaze
Ffs
meager gyro
No offense but using your ability to punish ppl is against the rules and bannable
mortal sparrow
Then do you know another way of solving the problem of that there are too many 'to-be-reported' players when compared to the small amount of guardians we have?
vivid blaze
How many times have I mentioned why reporting is not a part of this argument
runic dragon
you can't take revenge in game
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze and @runic dragon. Revenge is not a solution yes, but people have the right for it
meager gyro
@mortal sparrow I told you that increasing the team isnt the best solution
Its the one that sounds extremely easy yes, but it isnt
and btw this guardian team is most likely the biggest we ever had
runic dragon
if it's not a solution it's even more not allowed
rigid bronze
If it was a solution, then why not. But the only outcome of that is even more hate speech
vivid blaze
For every action there's an equal reaction. Now you should stop ignoring the basic rules in life
runic dragon
there's an equal reaction doesn't mean it's right
vivid blaze
@rigid bronze it isn't really more hate speech. Like I said earlier, some people literally don't shut up until u scream insult them
runic dragon
let's end this here. and since you called me a control freak last time i asked you to stop, you can continue all you like. but i'd suggest you not to argue further.
there is no point.
vivid blaze
Even if it is more hate speech, it atleast doesn't make anyone feel bad. They stand up for themself
Currently the system causes more depression in people
meager gyro
@vivid blaze Its easy
Revenge is always emotional, personal
justice is fair and neutral
revenge is nothing we wont
pls follow rules ingame 👀
rigid bronze
Most people wouldn't stop insulting even if you start insulting as well
mortal sparrow
So what do we need, a disclaimer?
vivid blaze
@meager gyro you have a good point, and the only thing you're lacking is justice which is hardly being done
mortal sparrow
Tbh there's more than one reason why I prefer long games of werewolf/mafia compared to this, and it's not only to enhance the communication part.
ripe stirrup
i did what i could, and i fucked up
mortal sparrow
And with long games, I mean games that usually last longer than a week.
These ones last for 15 mins at most.
mortal sparrow
Tbh adding a game mode like that would make me want to play again.
meager gyro
@vivid blaze Even if it was true 👀 It wouldnt excuse taking revenge
@mortal sparrow Thats a mobile game which mostly dont last extremely long 👀 You'll find those kind of werewolf games in rl or on servers on discord
rigid bronze
Real life
rigid bronze
xd
mortal sparrow
There's a site of which I'm not gonna say the name for y'know obvious reasons where new players play 3 Newbie games, which have 14 day day phases and 2 day night phases. After that they can play any game they want.
Probably it would mean that there would be more people playing in such a game, therefore playing less other games, therefore less reports because some people play slow games.
Or it doesn't make sense again.
*I don't make sense again
meager gyro
Imagine loads of ppl (wwo has mio of downloads) are playing 14 days of a game at the same
That would be an issue on dev/ server side @mortal sparrow
ripe stirrup
14 days...
mortal sparrow
I understand mobile games stand more for instant satisfaction and quick games.
ripe stirrup
that would be hot
runic dragon
unless the day is shortened
mortal sparrow
I could give you the name of the site so you can check it out.
Yes, once there's a lynch the day would end.
runic dragon
i don't even have time to play for a full hour
mortal sparrow
It's a small community with like 20K ppl or something.
So that explains why there's only like 5 punishments per month across the entire site.
The way it works is you just spend some of your free time looking at what others have said.
It really goes much more into the communication aspect.
And I therefore got lynched early on in most of my games.
Because I need to develop those skills.
runic dragon
playing more quick might already fulfill the purpose.
mortal sparrow
The first game I played we used most of the 14 days we had.
And in reality, most games use most of their time for day 1.
ripe stirrup
A couple of 2 ww is very hard to win (as couple). Proposal: if couple is still alive in a 2 vs 2 situation (being both ww), the couple would win instead of the ww
Obviously this doesnt apply for sk and 1 villager vs 2 ww.
meager gyro
But thanks for the suggestions ❤️ ❤️
mortal sparrow
Np
runic dragon
time to stop then.
meager gyro
@sudden dock Sorry a kinda late reply but thanks a lot ❤️
sudden dock
np!!
high rain
where to vote?
vivid blaze
Lastly @runic dragon I'm gonna end this argument here for now too,
You said equal reaction is not right, so do you mean that doing nothing is right instead?
By forcing no reaction from people you're just further making the toxics increase as they can openly insult people and having nothing against them.
Guess what, if a slapper gets slapped back, he learns his lesson by tasting his own medicine and the victim also doesn't feel like a victim anymore. Not slapping back is just a red carpet for slappers to slap again as they aren't getting punished or felt the same.
I'm not saying that you have to react, but just have the right to react if you want.
It may seem simple for you to not react, but remember everybody is different and have different perceptions and behaviours. I for example do not tolerate bullying one bit, and I've seen overtime that not standing up for yourself produces even worse results.
So I'd suggest that put it, everyone should have the right to stand up for themselves. Simple
You can maybe restrict how much people can react, but don't expect/force them not to react at all.
Tc and have a nice day 👋
next escarp
there should be staff of the month for the discord, where
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Members vote for their favorite staff member
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Staff vote for their favorite staff member (not themselves)
rigid bronze
@next escarp Well ik that happens/used to happen in some companies but the goal of that is make competition and I don't think most of the staff would like that...
next escarp
ah oki
rigid bronze
Will talk abt it in #helpers, maybe it's just me 😁
@next escarp thanks for your suggestion tho 💙
mortal sparrow
When life gives you lemons
thick bolt
I suggest Clan Battle Pass. It's like normal battle pass but it's collects clan xp
Generally, I believe that clans are so boring...
If you do not care about skins... like me... most of clans are not useful
flint atlas
I agree clans should be made more fun.
languid cape
Clans should have a skill point leaderboard so there could be clans that focus on ranked too, rather than just clans that grind xp points.
Like the average skill point of the clan not just the top person
modest arrow
Less loyalty coins needed for outfits
It takes way to long!
And you need to spend way to much money
wintry marsh
Why are noobs allowed in higher ranks? Seems stupid for the real players who earned their spot in specific rooms to play with stupid people who don't care about ranks.
silk shale
yeh or new league but devs dont want this
wintry marsh
I think sandbox should be by level too. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN NEW ROLES WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE ORIGINAL ROLES??
And if you're playing in ranks, and it is your skill set find, place them in SILVER. Keep the rank rooms separate and there won't be cheaters and toxicity. People become "toxic" when there are too many noobs ig.
languid cape
6k skill point and 2k skill point is too much of a gap and they get matched together. Unfair for the player that has 6k skill points
modest arrow
True
silk shale
yeh platinum league is needed
languid cape
Or more requirements for the current ranked leagues if making a new league is that much of a problem
sacred sable
r/whoosh
silk shale
I have a pretty easy solution for the problem with the noobs in gold. Just change the requirements for the leagues
Bronze: 0-1700
Silver: 1700-3400
Gold: 3400+
languid cape
@silk shale then no one would be able to reach gold for like 2-3 weeks
Im trying hard lol...
sacred sable
Lol, over half of you typing about gold ranked needing changes would be stuck in silver if that's what you think it should be
quaint bramble
@modest arrow The loyalty outfits dont cost money, they are a free bonus thing for being a loyal costumer.
Yeah it takes a lot of purchases, but when you make those purchases your goal should be getting the thing you pay for, not the LT outfit ^^
craggy dagger
That’s a pretty big assertion, do you know what our skill levels are Kit?
Or our elo rating?
quaint bramble
We got so many feedbacks about changing the SP border for gold/adding platinum. We have them posted in #feedback-devs too. I'm not gonna go through this again, sorry.
It's already posted
quaint bramble
And i agree 3400 is too high, and an odd number...
sacred sable
Kind of want to say that ranked should limit ehat can be typed in-game
Because all the caps and targeting gets annoying
If ranked is supposed to be professional game
Should only be professional posts
Not "6 noob kys you dipstick"
quaint bramble
I think if people use caps a lot they could be reported for spam. And targetting can also be discussed with a guardian if you got proof of it.
And that would def be reportable as hate speech already
sacred sable
Yeah
But we both know how well reporting in games works when it comes to stuff like that
It takes a few weeks
craggy dagger
I agree with the part about targetting, it’s annoying being checked every single game
sacred sable
Speaking of reporting
Is there a suggestion or update on the rules revising/changing?
quaint bramble
If people are making serious threats repeatedly you can report them to guardians directly.
And yeah if it really does take weeks, thats because they arent such bad people to collect 10+ reports faster..
The rules very recently got modified, but yes ofc we still take suggestions on them.
sacred sable
I was thinking more because for some reason in a 13+ game, people oddly don't want to report for filter avoiding and/or insulting repeatedly
quaint bramble
I dont really wanna keep repeating... those are already reportable things, and if it's really bad like death threats, inapproriate stuff or racism, you can send screenshots to a guardian.
So that way, even just your one report will get their chat logs checked out asap, and they can get a quicker ban.
light edge
@quaint bramble you are doing a great job. ❤
quaint bramble
@languid cape I know you are in a competitive ranked clan, but I don't think there is really that much of them around to put them on a leaderboard. And many ranked players are probably also still spread out in less.. specialized clans.
Ranked is the one game mode where your personal skill is your main score, it's not a group mode.
I think putting clans and ranked scores together, gives off the wrong idea.
languid cape
Hmmm makes sense 🙃
I just dont like how clans just grind xp. You know? Where they invite 16 clan members and go quick game
Wolfs emote and sk stabs wolfs
quaint bramble
@light edge Thanks, I'm glad to hear it! ^^
@languid cape I agree those games are hardly legal, but without reports on them it's hard to prove. And in the end, xp is just a meaningless number... the xp leaderboards dont give rewards, so this kind of cheating just doesnt really do anything at all except boasting about nothin' imo.
runic dragon
Make some kind of creative code for "Youtubeur/Streamer."
When a person puts in a creator code, the creator wins gold when a person uses the code.
The code would be located all the way to the game shop.
Sincerely, Zotrii
rigid bronze
@runic dragon I don't think it's very useful for now... Wwo isn't as big as Epic Games, there aren't enough content creators who plays wwo
For now at least
sacred sable
Epic sucks anyways
rigid bronze
Yes but it's big :(
sudden dock
very big
stoic sapphire
The ww combo berserk, nightmare, guardian and kitten is very overpowered
rigid bronze
Is it possible tho ? 🤔
stoic sapphire
Yeah, it happens every now and then In sandbox
craggy dagger
The ww combo Kitten/rww/rww/rww is very strong
languid echo
We need a Hardcore Game Mode Experience: " 10 random villagers , 4 random wolves, 1 random solo winner (fool/hh) and 1 solo killer roles" to make game even better and balanced. ( Doc, Seer, jailer must be in every match in this mode )
wintry marsh
Noob jailer (12) jailed me (spirit seer revived) 4 times!! THIS IS WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE SEPARATION OF RANKED ROOMS
languid cape
@wintry marsh If I were you I would skip those lobbies, eventually noobs come here and complain about us lobby skipping
wintry marsh
Its rank!! I cantleave if the room is full
languid cape
Swipe the app off when its in countdown
Or click the x and wait for countdown
I leave all the time
wintry marsh
Like I'm so fkking mad because it happens every time! I will do that from now on. I just hate it.
craggy dagger
Or just leave when there’s 13+ people in, wait 30 seconds and hop back in
Repeat until you reach a new lobby
quaint bramble
@wintry marsh Keep calm and report, report, report. Getting angry does absolutely nothing productive...
wintry marsh
I usually do it with fool games but I have started counted the eyes in lobby.
I'm angry because reporting doesn't seem to do anything
quaint bramble
Gamethrowers exist in every level of ranked, thats the sad truth
languid cape
It wasnt like this before..
wintry marsh
Just another account and bam! Back to it!
quaint bramble
reports get checked manually by out dedicated team of guardians, so its not an immediate effect, but it gets the job done.
wintry marsh
I hope our gaurdians ban MrFlawed for like... ever.
languid cape
I seen the same thrower like 5 times he gets banned and returns with names like KAIBARETURNS
Or youcantbanme etc 😂
wintry marsh
I specifically asked last year and this for sandbox to be by level so serious players can enjoy a game for once.
quaint bramble
Well you know he did get banned, and if he does the same stuff again he will surely get banned again, and make it double...
wintry marsh
Or give high level players their own room
For some reason, my suggestion goes under a rug but lots of people ask for it.
languid cape
He at least got 5 bans but the gold requirements are just too easy, he comes to make people mad not that he is stupid or anything
He intentionally throws
Level requirements would fix this imo
35 wins is nothing
You win 2 placement games bam you are gold
wintry marsh
Yeah it is crazy how gold is just easy to get into.
I dunno, I usually have high hopes for this game because it CAN be really fun. But when you are constantly thrown into games with people who find it funny to troll, it's annoying. I am a beta tester for this game and was around when only 100 people were online and it was hard to fill a room. Now? It's too easy and it's unfair. Hard to play and collect higher skill when 9/16 players find it to be a joke.
languid cape
Accurate ^^
runic dragon
Killing roles only ever win if the Town and Werewolves gamethrow super hard. This could be counterbalanced to an extent if they simply were immune to the Gunner, who typically acts the random-killing hand of god who 360 noscopes scum without intervention.
Further, there should be a ~10 second time after the end of lunch voting where roles like the Jailor can take the time to choose their jail target. Ideally, gunners would be unable to shoot during this time.
craggy dagger
curi is a mafia vet I can feel it in my bones
wintry marsh
@runic dragon I feel like that hurts good players and it won't stop throwers. I like Marksmen role, where if you shoot someone good, you die. But I DO NOT like waiting a night to move targets.
♡Marksmen is a great role minus the delay
runic dragon
You mean Gunner?
wintry marsh
Yes for gunner and jailer.
Like, if they could make mm like gunner. Where you can move targets at day and shoot same day, I would love it more. That way, NO GAMETHROWING
runic dragon
I have never seen MM
wintry marsh
... really?? In ranks??
I've had 2 mm ig with gunner
And mm is definitely in sandbox
sacred sable
If you really wanna separate players in games
Do matchmaking based off of overall win/loss %
<<
light edge
^ this name
@runic dragon hello tos player. please put ^this name
in youtube to see forcing wins as evil roles. dont annoy feedback with this. thank you
sacred sable
Watch everyone make alts and smurf 90+% winrate
wintry marsh
I can't gain my wins
I'm sadly at 43% win rate and slowly climbing up. Just depends what team I get.
I am beta tester so I had to actually learn the game from the start lmao
peak knot
@sacred sable I never thought I would agree with you, but you are absolutely right on that one
Heck, please base the whole ranked leaderboard on win/loss % ratio
wintry marsh
Hey me too! And my win rate is low af.
peak knot
And reset it each season. So you have a chance to catch up if you mess up one season
runic dragon
Pardon @light edge
peak knot
Alright let me translate it into a feedback suggestion then
Opinion/suggestion:
Ranked leaderboard should compare the amount of matches a player has played with their win/loss % ratio. Both factors are relevant, but this ratio is more important than the amount of time someone has spent playing ranked, which is the main factor for deciding your place on the leaderboard as it is. This would make leaderboards more trustworthy and it will be easier to divide players into leagues.
runic dragon
hello can you add a badge idea server please
rigid bronze
There won't be a lot of new badges tbh... They're supposed to be one of the highest reward possible, so making a whole server for that isn't really useful
runic dragon
Ok
runic dragon
I have a suggestion for the next battle pass:
When the battle pass timer “technically” reaches 23 hours and 59 minutes, it should show it on the timer instead of 1 day. This would let players know how long they have in that day to get xp for the battle pass and to also clear up some confusion
night path
@runic dragon isn't this kind of already the case if i remember correcltly?
runic dragon
No, it shows up as 1 day for me right now
night path
then it's probably over 1day :p. if i remember correctly it did this last bp @runic dragon
runic dragon
Idk, I took a break for around two months and missed battle pass 9, your probably right
wintry marsh
But it will show a countdown
runic dragon
Ok then
thick bolt
Different ranked leaderboards for each server. Not english servers are weaker. Same board is so unfair
quaint bramble
already suggested, think I posted it in fb devs too , lemme get you a link
@thick bolt here it is;
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/657273988686544920
thick bolt
perfect
fed up with Thai people collecting 15k skill
BannedIrl should be much higher in lists
languid cape
This probably got suggested but, how about a system where you can view/watch your previous games?
opaque pollen
@languid cape It's been suggested many times. However It's difficult for the game servers and required capacity. I would recommend a screen recorder like Mobizen if you wish to rewatch your games 👍
languid cape
Thanks
tawny igloo
Yo, what about fix the skip button?
runic dragon
mind explaining?
tawny igloo
The button "skip" seems to be bugged, even when all players have clicked it, the game wont fast forward to vote time.
tawny igloo
To fix this bug
tawny igloo
sorry then
pine sluice
Idk if this belongs here but there was alittle mistake in a translation:
Double "y"
runic dragon
Giveaway 🎁✨ New Year Emote Event > The game should giveaway emotes in January 1 Asian Timezone for celebrating new year. "Log in in January 1 to get free emote"
Why January 1 (Asian Timezone) . Its new years eve in western countries while in asia its new years day so its perfect to be held in that day and timezone.
runic dragon
rigid bronze
@pine sluice contact a Translator of your language (#become-a-translator-archive-3)
peak knot
yes
steep hamlet
Ok is it possible that the sandbox mode could be set up so that you have to reach a certain level to be able to play it? Me and a lot of my clan mate and friends have had problems with new players joining sandbox and not know how to do any of the roles or just the new roles like illusionist or some others. The last game I played had a level 3 person on and I had the red lady and the sherrif coupled ok, the red lady died because her lover died and said person demanded for the med to get info I tried telling this person that there isnt any info because the red lady didnt visit a bad person and that if they are just starting out on WWO they should go to quick game and practice there and I wasnt trying to be rude and they starting being rude and saying that " I need to mind my own business because they know exactly how to play this game" and I that needed to go **** off
Wow that's a lot, sorry 😅
steep hamlet
Lol not really helpful but funny and true😂
minor python
Set a minimal players count for votestarting
snow ruin
Add a bank in wwo
We could deposit money in a personal bank and get it back when we need to.
With this bank, we can do money transfers between players
Max 10 000 golds per weeks
It's not the best idea but it can be useful 
rigid bronze
Handled in DMs 👀
@minor python there is one already 🤔 you can't start a game with less than 8 players
@steep hamlet I see what you mean... But putting a minimum level for SB was already suggested, and is suggested pretty often 👀
woeful mesa
Hi, for the last #feedback-devs I find it unfair, because if you re bomber in love with a ww, your bomb would still blow up but the lover will survive. Making it unable to kill his lover would mean immunity to illu and arso, even if they selected their lover, being vill or not, night 1
and you must be really dumb to do something on your lover that will kill your lover or yourself
runic dragon
Just make no able to visit your lover 🤷🏻♂️
woeful mesa
Yeah, I agree with the pic in fact, but not with the text
clear gale
Killing for no reason is banable
I am reporting this player, number 14, for random killing
astral spruce
@clear gale first, reports are not here. Second "My role is good won't say it" always get you hanged no matter what your role is.
clear gale
Kk, where do I report then, cause the reports I do I wwo doesn't work
rigid bronze
@clear gale The reports in game do work, a player needs to stack up 12 reports from different persons, and then this player will be shown to Guardian with the list of the reports and logs of the games where they were reported, and if the reports are valid, the player is banned
old schooner
limber lily
The feedback?
limber lily
Yeah people go afk
old schooner
But look how many
limber lily
so what feedback do u got
old schooner
The game needs a stricter rule imo
Like if u are afk for loger than 1min u get banned
Because like why do people join if they are not going to play
limber lily
People have connection problems or a role that doesnt have any abilitys.
old schooner
Then remove roles with no abilities
ripe stirrup
there isnt any role without abilities except seer app and forkman
and being forkman is cool
santa is forkman+
did you really do a meme to answer me?
glacial warren
Stop it
astral spruce
When you turn into a Zombie a creepy sound plays, when you get converted by Kitten or get attacked by Werewolves as Cursed make a wolf howl play on background would be better :p
runic dragon
isn't that somewhere in #sound-ideas
runic dragon
yes
astral spruce
When Jailer jails who was nightmared there will be 1 result out of 2 ;
- Your target was too sleepy to be dragged to your jail.```
```You didn't choose a target or your target is not jailable.```it doesn't make sense to me
it'd just be that the jailed person falls asleep. hence not being able to talk.
astral spruce
@runic dragon a nightmared person cant talk in jail neither see what jailer types and can cause jailer to shoot the person and this can make the town think he is gamethrowing and people may report him
runic dragon
he can just explain
astral spruce
actually jailer cant
rigid bronze
Sorry for the very late answer :c tbh I don't really find the use of that 🤔 the only change that you really suggest is showing the 3 closer nicks to what you search for @zenith kayak
astral spruce
he wont know if target was nightmared
runic dragon
he can say the target didn't talk
zenith kayak
@rigid bronze Theres currently no way to search through just your friendlist. i have over 100 friends and if theyre off it takes a while to be able to find them, amongst the clan tags. this would show results just from your friend list, and also make it easier to delete anyone you dont want as friends anymore
rigid bronze
I'm not sure to get your point there... If you search via the search friend function you'll find your friends 🤔 and if you wanna search very only in your friends then you have a list ?
languid cape
In the search function you have to search the “exact” name of that friend but instead with the friend search function you search among your friends so it’ll show you the most relevant name you searched for
Thats what she is trying to explain
rigid bronze
Well yea but since you can sort your friend list that feature is kind of.. useless ?
Respectfully 👀
runic dragon
not if i forgot the name of my friend halfway through...
let's say i remember half of the name of my friend with their name starting with a Z.
i'd have to scroll and scroll until i reach the very bottom
languid cape
@rigid bronze I have close to 300 friends its impossible to find my friends in the list unless I know the exact name
I already use the “show friends that are recently online” but still its a pain cuz most of them are online
runic dragon
oh, sometimes it doesn't work too
languid cape
Yep
rigid bronze
languid cape
Biased
runic dragon
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/660600949143765022
^ it's still about this