Nope, let me get a screenshot.
#feedback-readonly
mighty granite
🤔 Hmm, you're right. cdn.discorda... didn't get approved. Moment please.
median elbow
2 of my suggestions got added and that's cool to hear
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/640120366861254656
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/644332500901953536
hot stag
@lament knoll sorry to bother you but can I also be added onto the dev feedback about aura-roles since I typed that out ;;
median elbow
A suggestion for beta testers. Don't log wins we get in the super secret testing room.
sacred sable
Suggestion 1:
SHOW
PATCH/CHANGE NOTES
FOR UPDATES
Suggestion 2:
FORCE
UPDATES
TO PLAY WWO
So people stop abusing old role mechanics when mostly everyone/majorty updated.
thin dome
You should get this gravestone if you unlock custom games because it goes with the ducky metal outfit
Finally, my other suggestion is that if you are gonna play ranked everyone should have a random not used name because if I know someone in ranked, then I know their stats, but if their name is hidden I won’t know who it is. This would also be good for staff members to have just in every game because it’s easier to find cheaters if the cheaters don’t know there are staff members in the game.
You should still be able to report players, it’s just that you won’t know who they are immediately. There acc is still their normal name. They are just given random names to prevent targeting in ranked.
sacred sable
So basically should make it numbers only?
peak knot
Just want to repeat @light edge 's feedback about new leagues ASAP, to stress the urgency of it.
We have been dealing with unfair setbacks for too long now, every season again and it's exhausting
thin dome
@sacred sable it could be something like that or just random names that arent in use. If you ever have played Minecraft on Hypixel and you have the highest rank, you can /nick in a lobby and it will give you a random username.
languid cape
The ranked leagues should be based on rank rather than the skill points because people would just grind until they will get 1700 sp even though they don’t deserve to be in gold league also, there should be more leagues in ranked since anyone can reach gold league without even knowing how to play...
peak knot
Yeah ^ sp don't represent skill, but grind
sacred sable
Suggestion:
Mass. Report. Players.
Be able to make a list of players breaking the same rule/s
Nuff said.
lament knoll
@hot stag oooh yeah sorry sure! 
done
Heyya @median elbow sorry for the super late answer❣
That's weird i was pretty sure that they wouldn't get logged anyways...
Hmm, well, yeah i agree that they shouldn't get logged so i'll give it a post in #feedback-devs
Thanks for pointing that out and have a nice day! 
young fractal
not much help, but imo corruptor should be nerfed a little
thin dome
@charred kiln what does sp mean
lament knoll
Heyaa @sacred sable soryy for the late answer :/
Well, regarding your layout i assume these two issues are important to you👀
But yes, patch notes for updates were already suggested quite alot before as both, a discord channel and a section in game.
I do believe that emanuel liked the discord channel idea with a channel that contains all patches but i am not sure if he still got that on display or if he put it in the background or forgot it, because it's been a while, and
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/636910577083613184 that is the link to the latest repost in feedback devs, you can upvote it
Or if it has a big urgency for you i guess i could give it a repost it's been a month
Force updating app
Apps cannot update if there isn't sufficent storage left so even if there would be forced updates they would simply not work if the person hasn't got enough storage.
Also on google play you can either activate or deactivate auto-updating so i don't know if a developer of an app can remove that feature personally...
If someone abuses an older version because of a bug or a missing role patch -> report them.
Mass Report
There have been already suggested several options, to report a couple of players at once, some with selecting them etc, tho this would also encourage wrongly reporting a lot of people, if you do like this idea... hmm odd
i guess i could give it a repost as i could not find the latest suggestion upon this.... thanks for your feedback, and concerns it's highly appreciated and have a nice day! :3
thin dome
Oh ok ty
lament knoll
@young fractal could you specify, nerved in which way?
Keep in mind solo roles are already very hard to win so it's usually not embraced nerfing them tho i'd be glad to hear your idea out :p
thin dome
Give her time to get to yours 🙂 ^^
median elbow
@lament knoll late is okay
lament knoll
Heyyy @thin dome
Duck Gravestone
Actually i don't know/don't think it goes with the custom game outfit as it has been there before the outfit for custom games was there :p
We got a couple of duck related inventory stuff that is, on the other hand, not related to the previous custom game background nor the full updated outfit, so i don't really see a sense behind adding another item onto the outfit.
Changing Names of players in Ranked
Nice idea but actually frequently suggested,, tho it's real adorable how you took the staff member aspect into account, (it does actually affect the behaviour out of prior experiences👀)
We got
-> give them only random numbers (not found in fb devs but in the database, so i can add a +1 if you want me to)
-> let them choose their nick for that game (https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/636849626288226315.)
-> hide the names completely (https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/647424727215898647.)
Is this alright with you or would you prefer a repost? 💕
~~yes arsonist i'll get to your feedback i'm doing it in chronological order ;)
thin dome
@lament knoll I will give myself a plus 1 for all the feedbacks, the only thing I suggest to put in #feedback-devs is hiding your guys’ names (or you can keep that private so people don’t know about it)
young fractal
oouu can we make a suicide watch channel or something, like everybody screenshot if they see somebody suiciding in game
that didnt sound right 😭
lament knoll
Heyya @charred kiln sorry for the late answer ^-^
Not loosing skill points if it's a tie does sound reasonable as, of course, you lost but also no one won...
In fact -> https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/629452898270445568
This post wraps it out pretty goodly doesn't it?
But it's your feedback so you decide if you want to get it reposted or if you're fine with just upvoting this :3
I don't mind reposting it but i won't repost if you personally think it does not need one
However thanks for your suggestion! :3
Heya @languid cape and @peak knot , sorry for the tardive answer.... ^-^
Yes, i do get your concern, i personally never play ranked so i can for sure not quite relate with the struggles you experience but i can unterstand them for sure ^^
In fact -> https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/648692421114200075
Very recent repost, suggested by RGT, posted by me, sadly having a pretty bad ratio... but it can still turn around :p
However, thank you both for your concern and the suggestion, it's highly appreciated, have a nice day!
Heyy also while i'm onto you @peak knot
Which suggestion do you mean? Could you sum it up real quick and give me some arguments if you want to, also did it get posted or not and if not why do you think it should be? ^^
Heyy @young fractal
I do get it's frustrating when people suicide, but i do not think we need to celebrate this kind of bad behaviour -> suiciding because you don't like the role etc.
But you also need to realise some suicides got a good reason behind them and i see no need in publicly exposing them for it...
And we most definetely won't add a channel for this as we already got a lot of various channels and won't add any new ones unless they are urgely needed
Thanks for your suggestion tho, have a nice day ^^
@thin dome alright; i'll see how i'll handle it, have a nice day!
paper sandal
Ewww my haters are on discord. I have feedback about the gamethrowing in ranked though. A suggestion if you will. Instead of being put into a server automatically there should be a waiting period to load into ranked games. When 16 compatible players are ready it should put them in a game. Reason 1: people keep leaving before the match and bugging the games to have 15, 14 even 13 players sometimes just by leaving and coming back over and over. Reason 2: it's TOO EASY TO TEAM CHEAT. Sorry. But it's too easy to get into a match with a friend you're next to or chatting with on discord. And ranked is not full of honest people. So matchmaking should be more tailored and not something you can easily manipulate.
Gamethrowing this season is....... In almost every single rank game I play. 😠 gunner shot aura, med reved aura, gunner shot aura 2nd time and then suicides. Reporting is not enough 😪 /endrant /byehaters
peak knot
@lament knoll I meant the suggestion for new leagues in ranked (this has been suggested several times now). To sum up all previous feedback:
- Experienced and new players together doesn't work
- Getting to a league after season resets should be an automatic process (judged by your performance the previous seasons), so good players won't have to sit through the hell that bronze/silver league sometimes is
So either improve the league system, or the matchmaking system but the main goal is to find a way to seperate skill levels. Also a tip: don't use SP as a measurement for the quality of a player, since SP represents how much someone grinds, not the quality of the player. Since this has been suggested multiple times, I really hope the devs are finding a solution for this big issue in ranked.
paper sandal
@peak knot don't sound so entitled to gold ranked. You gotta work your way up from 0 like everybody else. What the devs need to do is fix the matchmaking system entirely. Not the ranking system
Don't match level 100s with level 10s in ranked and you wont need to fix the rankings
Ect
woeful mesa
When we pass a level, there should be 2 levels shown with an arrow between them: the level you had(which is actually shown) and the level you just hit. Like:
499-->500
flex
paper sandal
Or even if it was just an option to only play with players in similar level as you with similar skill. I don't mind waiting longer for a better matched game.
lament knoll
Okay so, disclaimer: I'm not a ranked player, so excuse me if i'm missing out on some aspects but i'm answering based on what i see on going.
Yes -> we know ranked is a hotly discussed topic which has a high inquiry to get fixed or improved in some places but especially because of that alot of people suggest the same stuff all over and over and over again, we got presented a lot of different matchmaking solutions, we got them all in #feedback-devs and several also reposted repeatedly...
we also got posted a collection of all/most ranked feedback sumed up in one message
Only playing with players with
similar skill -> suggested
similar level -> suggested
similar rank -> suggested
Change the rank you play in based on your rank and not your skill -> suggested pretty recently
I don't want to reject it but i merely think these systems do not need a repost, at the moment, you can simply search for "ranked" in feedback-devs and you'll get nearly 200 suggestions and can up and downvote the ones you like
Sorry to maybe disappoint you but at the moment these suggestion do not need any reposts, i do hope the devs do something about it as well as i can clearly see the inquiry, the high demand on several ranked suggestions, but at this moment i do not have any more influence on it.
Sorry and thanks for your suggestions and your engagement into making ranked mode improve.
Heyaaa @woeful mesa
Yes, that does sound like a nice idea, i did not see this having been suggested beforeand i think i'll give it a post :3
Thanks for your suggestion and have a nice day!
woeful mesa
Thanks for posting it, have a nice day^^
peak knot
@paper sandal I am saying it is one of two options, one being to change the matchmaking system
By the way, level ALSO does not represent skill
Judging by winrate is the way to go
paper sandal
Level doesn't represent skill BUT it would prevent people from making quick side accounts to use and join in games to cheat IMO. If you are level 100 and you gamethrow the entire time you'd be banned, eh? A gamethrowing level 5 is either a new person or a smurf gamethrower
peak knot
That's an advantage but not the main reason we were talking about
Which is the most important thing
paper sandal
I think trolls will make accounts that are low levels and get on to play only to troll players and gaslight in chat. I do notttt want to play with anyone level 10 or less. They're likely troll accounts and I see a lot this ranked season. Judging off all the plain faced avatars since I cant actually see their levels
median elbow
Add spectate spamming to the spam guidelines
sacred sable
Suggestion:
Blocking players should prevent seeing them in matchmaking, too.
Cuz just changing their posts into a bunch of asterisks (*) is just a hindrance when, say, they're actually a useful role giving info.
quaint bramble
@median elbow we already got a few suggestions going on to prevent this function from being abused like this, i think theres better ways to tackle it, than just adding it to the rules. I do think you can report a player for this, if you notice them using this method more than once, since they try to cheat the game on purpose imo.
sacred sable
I still say disable spectating during the entire pregame lobby in general-
quaint bramble
@sacred sable The blocking function, very likely been suggested before, the blocking function is near useless atm and the only reason I can think of, it's probably currently not possible to improve it
sacred sable
Looking forward to the future then-
runic dragon
Kikikiki idk if this is a bug or not but why cant i see the main page only its loading also my friends can invite me
sudden dock
So medium can revive the even if they die, but if zombie dies their bite cancels out. One of these should change.
quaint bramble
@runic dragon try clearin your cache or check for updates in the app store? otherwise might be a connection problem, kind of hard to tell. If you try the usual fixes and it still really doesnt work, maybe post a screenshot in #bugs-readonly
@sudden dock There's a lot of things that should change about zombies, and you know that making them more powerful isnt it 👀
Med can revive someone because their action is started while they are alive, but the revived comes back to live at the end of the night
Im not 100% sure if med can revive if they die [during] the night (like from a bomb etc)
sacred sable
They still can
As long as they activated their ability
Been burned by Arso twice as Med and still revived Gunner
Kind of like old WWB where they activate during day and die, it still works-
lament knoll
Bomber's ability also still works if he dies that night
Bh ability also still works if he dies that night
Nightmare ww ability also stays even if he dies that night
A lot of abilities still stay even if the role died already, the reason it doesn't for zombie is because we don't need to make it even more overpowered
zenith kayak
I'm not sure if this really goes here but
I copied exactly what I wrote when I got auto reported
I feel like just saying ww and your teammates number in the Same text shouldn't be worthy of report
Meanwhile people still get around that by using two messages. Another thing I suggest is the cursing filter being able to detect if the word it's censoring is part of a child friendly word. For instance, cucumber turns into Cu***ber because of ||cum||
median elbow
I never had intentions on upgrading my talismans initially but I also found out it evolves into this. Every level should have different evolution.
Evolution process
1 default
2-6 circles evolve around it
7 make the tailsman red
8-13 add red spiked edges around it
14 make the tailsman gold
15-20 gold spikes
21-26 black spikes
27+ nothing changes
vapid nymph
Make the 2 shirts from the ninja outfit be next to each other in the inventory
quaint bramble
@zenith kayak The warning message is there to reduce/prevent gamethrowing. It does this a bit too stricly sometimes, but you can also try to word your message differently, like saying "i visited 11 so theyre good" which would honestly be less suspicious too.
The censor is like this so it is less easy to get around it, and because there is simply way too many exceptions. Again, it;s not perfect but it is necessary to help clean up the game a bit.
median elbow
Unicorn has having ALL items being seen in the preview mode been rejected?
quaint bramble
I vaguely remember some discussions about it, i dont know if it was added to fb devs or not or if the devs replied to it. Would have to check that
median elbow
And check my talis suggestion
quaint bramble
Some people think it devalues avatars, if you can just create a preview with whatever you want and show it off like that without buying the items. Or what to do with old bp items that you cant get anymore nayway?
Dude, I was going to do them in order except you asked a question here too which was quicker to answer 👀
median elbow
Also this is discord feedback, rename this channel to #suggestions or #ideas since that's really what we use it for shhhhh no you weren't it's reverse order
quaint bramble
@median elbow It sounds visually interesting and fun, but also kind of impractical; it's a lot of design work for a function that not much people would really take the time to look at. Such decorations on talismans might also clutter up your view and make it harder to find the talisman youre looking for, since you can also equip them in game lobbies nowadays.
Would be more practical to just add the odds number on the dot's position 🤔
@vapid nymph Hm I understand why they ended up like this, since the old/grey one didnt change like the other reworked outfits did... I will add the suggestion, it's easy enough to fix and it would simply make it easier to find the item.
median elbow
Lot of design yes. However it's just one of those minor visual completionist can enjoy doing
vapid nymph
Thank you @quaint bramble 
median elbow
This is in the new update. I like it yes but I wish I could read the ENTIRE message
Some apps allow you to click and hold to "open" the message in the notification tab
quaint bramble
@median elbow "Feedback: information about reactions to a product, a person's performance of a task, etc. which is used as a basis for improvement."
I think that includes ideas and suggestions too, since those are also intended to improve the game ^^
Back to the talisman design thing, I am not gonna add it to feedback devs, but you could propose your idea to a desginer, or a devv, if you can get someone interested in working on it, it could get added.
What happens if you hold the notification message then? And what does the settings option do?
This is a very new update for me and i havent personally seen it in action yet
median elbow
@quaint bramble dm a long message me real quick I'll show you
See how I can extend the message
@quaint bramble dis
quaint bramble
At this point, it could also be a bug, I havent heard any other complains about not being able to open the full message. I'll keep my eyes open for that. I also think it has been suggested already that we are able to view these messages in game somewhere as well, since not everyone rlly pays attention to those out of app notifs
here's the fb-devs link btw
runic dragon
@quaint bramble Why if i play with friends it ended up in quick game?
not sandboc
box
quaint bramble
Did you select the question mark in the friend lobby?
It sounds like a rare but known bug, we dont know why it happens yet though
sudden dock
There should be an info card which would be accessible by holding down on the item you would like to see.
This would take away the confusion if there was ever a cough cough item that caused mass confusion cough cough
median elbow
Chaos Mode - all roles will be revealled in the pregame lobby. Yes custom games do exist however the game lacks a game mode that supports the presidents and sorcerer. Adding a unique game mode like this would bring some interesting games to WWO.
4 random ww
1 substitutable role cursed, sect leader, zombie, cupid, president, sorcerer
1 fool or hh
4 random strong villagers
1 random killer
1 doctor/tg/bg
4 rrvs
normal wyvern
President to quick game: Would cause gamethrowing, random killing. Mostly a lose for the village bc of witch, arso/bomber and junior
glacial warren
@sudden dock hey hey ^^ I kinda like this idea, since sometimes it is confusing, if it's a mask or anything, especially because we have completely new types of emotes 🤔
Thank you for your suggestion 
@median elbow currently the devs are not planning to add other game modes.
A nearly random game mode has already been suggested too, as far as I know 
even then, thank you for your feedback and suggestion ^^
@runic dragon hey hey ^^president won't be go in quick game again, since it's not balanced enough :/ including the thing Duden pointed out, that's just not possible.
Even then, thank you so much for your nice feedback
normal wyvern
I'm sometimes really confused about the Battle Pass Icon. Sometimes it is gold and sometimes it is blue, so I don't really know sometimes if I finished it already or not. When you finished the Battle Pass, the icon should've another color like white or something or a ✅ on it, so you can easily see if you finished the Battle Pass or not.
normal wyvern
Suggestion for the server: Is it possible to change the color from the boosters? They mostly look like sorcerer/pacifist which is really confusing at some point when you want to look who is spirit booster or not without looking in the member list
forest rover
Adding to @normal wyvern second feedback,the colours of wwo translators,wwc translators and faq translators are exactly the same.I know that it is because they have similar "jobs" in the server,but changing it with different kinds of green would be better to differenciate them.Same with designer manager and designer,and with mentor manager and mentor.
glacial warren
@normal wyvern hey hey ^^ I would post the first thing in #feedback-devs 😉
For the second thing, I will ask others, but all colors are pretty similar, since you don't have too much colors xD I think it has the same color as the booster icon and it won't be changed 🤔
@forest rover they don't have similar jobs, they have exactly the same job, just with another part of the game.
I think it's totally fine, since translator is translator. Not to be mean or anything, but translator is green and they all translate. 😅
normal wyvern
@glacial warren Thank you very much! 
forest rover
But @glacial warren why does guardian and guardian manager,tournament helper and tournament manager have different colours but mentor manager and mentor,designer manager and designer doesn't?👀
glacial warren
I checked it and mentor manager has a slightly different color than mentor 🤔
And designer manager is a designer. The only difference is, that kem is responsible for the voting gallery 👀
forest rover
🤔
light edge
Regarding League separation
Make a first season league. Exclusive for people first time joining ranked. The "problem" is - there will not be a lot of carrying or faking but they will learn how the roles work.
New player need proper teaching!
Since it's a players adventure to improve devs should be aware that there are players not wanting to improve.
End game results/ new season start
If you finished above ~4k skill or whatever (high ranked) u should start separately in det games with similar "placing games" the following season starting from 1.5k. You will get demoted to seer games if u fall below ~1k.
shut crater
Instead of saying 8.020.915 exp this should really say 8,020,915 exp, with commas not periods.
Using a period suggests that the clan has got 8.020915 exp, not 8 million total exp. This appears in other places during the game and it is confusing to read.
Other places, for example here. It should read 135,997 (one hundred and thirty five thousand, nine hundred and ninety seven).
Instead of 135.997 (one hundred and thirty five, point, nine nine seven)
light edge
lol Americans
shut crater
Is it an american thing? I've never seen numbers separated like that before
It's German.
lament knoll
Heyyy @shut crater
Yeah, Numbers get usually seperated like that, in Europe it's common sense that every 3 numbers you set a point/comma
A million is, 1.000.000/1,000,000
A billion is 1.000.000.000/1,000,000,000
For the purpose of it being readable more easily 1000000 <- looks pretty messy and its harder counting the zeros/figuring out what it is.
It was 135997 before but people complained, here in this channel, that it's hard to read and that it should be 135.997 instead, that was highly recommended and that's why it got added so i believe it won't get changed back again...
because more people would complain wanting it changed the other way again and it's not necessary to always change back and forth
shut crater
I'm not meaning to remove it
It should just be a comma, not a period. Most people who play the game are going to read the numbers as a decimal
lament knoll
Oh :p well in other countries we read the comma as a decimal
I guess it got changed that way cause our devs are germans and the suggestion was made to make it with a point
Universal solution -> don't add a period nor a comma and just use a space
shut crater
Yes, but as I said. The majority of players aren't German and will read it with a comma. So to probably most people those numbers read as decimals, not thousands
shut crater
Maybe a few other small countries in europe as well but most people are going to read those numbers completely wrong and get confused
lament knoll
Great Britain and the United States are two of the few places in the world that use a period to indicate the decimal place. Many other countries use a comma instead. The decimal separator is also called the radix character.
shut crater
And most players are going to be from the US
lament knoll
Not necessarily
i - in fact - met less people from the US or UK in that game, i'd say they are less numerous, way less numerous, but that's just assumption and to find that out we would need to start a poll which is not really necessary just for a changement imo
shut crater
The use of a comma just doesn't make any logical sense, but then that's probably an issue with some languages
A space is a good idea though
lament knoll
If you think of where you use a comma language wise it fits, because you use a comma to seperate a main sentence from a side sentence.
And on a Decimal you want to seperate the main number from the "side number" to use the same terminus 👀
A period is used to divide two main sentences hence two "main numbers"
But that's just country specific stuff, a space is universal for seperating two things so i'd say if the period causes confusion a space might be better ^^
I'll post it for you, thanks for your feedback :3
lament knoll
Heyaaa @light edge
Sorry for the late answer
I'm now all yours :p
However, that seems like a good idea, which i'd like to post tho i got some questions before i do so 👀
how would "joining ranked for the first time" be decided, if you never played ranked and this is your first game or..?
Because a few newbies may've tested playing one of a few ranked games in the previous season but that would still leave them pretty uneducated about ranked.
I'm gonna take me as an example, of course not a newbie, but i once played few ranked games after discovering it's nothing for me, i got less knowledge about the basics of ranked but i still know how the roles work...
Now i'm curious about ranked, thinking of maybe joining it, would i be able to join the regular league or would i be in the beginners league? :p
Now this example transferred on another player, played 3 games but discovered they don't like it, but later on they decide they want to try, no knowledge about the roles, let's say level 30.
Would they be joining the beginner mode? :3
light edge
@lament knoll
I am not 100% sure about that either.
I would let everyone who didn't play more than their 10 first placing games start in the newbie league. It may be "unfair" to some players like you. But ranked is for serious players and everyone should at least once go through the beginner league if you ask me. Also once the newbie league is dealt with once issues like that wont occur as much I think.
So yea this player would start in the newbie league. Hone their skills and get promoted if played well.
Also regarding the hard reset of ranked. a soft reset like I suggested is the dream of most regular ranked players. I need about 4 games to exit seer hell. But even I got stuck in the 1k skill level due to suicidal med/ gun/ jailer/ seer or bad evil teammates. Doesn't matter how good you play.
runic dragon
Badges for those who bought 50 outfit and own 100 outfit as those that was bought with rose and real money.
rigid bronze
There is already a reward for people buying, the special outfits you get with loyalty tokens
sacred sable
Tfw 600 tokens for that cool mask pair with the monarch clothes
runic dragon
But not everyone like the reward for the special outfit or maybe they prefer something else.
We spend real money and time.
rigid bronze
I don't think that would be really appreciated... Badges aren't supposed to be "paid" but only deserved
sonic spruce
roulette to win coins never squeezed i was able to turn 50 times in a row
runic dragon
@charred kiln ehy there :)
This sounds interesting tbf,
I will add this ^^
Thank you for suggesting
zenith kayak
The new price for changing your name, if you have the YouTubers Badge you should be able to change your name for free to avoid targeting and such.
runic dragon
@zenith kayak I agree with @sacred sable, also, the law should be equal for everyone ahahhaha
Great power, great responsibilities eheh
orchid cloud
An idea by @Shino__
When a mm or priest failed a shot on a person, adding a symbol to say "good" or "not ww" because a lot of beginner are not aware about ancient infos ^^
night path
This is already implemented in a way? Priest says "Not a werewolf" and marksman says "shot a good role" @orchid cloud
sacred sable
"Marksman took a shot at xx name, but they killed themselves. Xx name is a villager!"
But people seem to want symbols/icons around avatar on screen over having to SCROLL UP AND READ DAY CHAT.
forest rover
In that case why do we know who was revealed,bitten or sected?We can read it in the chat,right?👀
violet storm
For the chat with friends why we can't send photos . Its sound like a good idea BECAUSE I NEED TO GIVE A PHOTO TO A FRIEND
forest rover
Tell him to download discord 👀
lament knoll
Aaah sorry @light edge
I was out all day, alrighty :p
I'll put it up for evaluation in #feedback-devs right away!
Thanks for your suggestion and have a nice day!
sacred sable
Suggestion:
BOLD font for solo roles that have "You cannot be killed by the werewolves." on their descriptions.
People can't seem to get that YOU CAN'T KILL SOLO KILLS AS WOLVES.
wanton pasture
Suggestion:
People are using the 'offline' thing to not be asked for roles if they're evil, free wins etc. I think that people must stay in game and if they leave it should be an auto suicide.
forest rover
Not a good idea 👀
sacred sable
Also suggestion:
Should automatic report people saying anything along the lines of "I am or used to be staff for this game" in the game.
Because that really shouldn't matter while playing a game.
forest rover
That's a bit useless imo
wanton pasture
Yeah that happens in other deduction games. It's being abused mainly though. It's a risk you must take
forest rover
Imo it's not a good idea.
lament knoll
Heyy @sacred sable
Well idk about that :p
It shouldn't matter while playing a game but sometimes people see my clan tag and read my status and ask me "Hey min are you really a staff member?"
I usually say "yes i'm really a staff member, but that doesn't matter right now, does it?👀"
Sure i could simply say "yes, but that doesn't really matter right now, does it?"
Okay, yeah... yeah i could simply say that nvm :p
I personally rarely met ppl claiming to be staff members so idk if that's that much of an issue to implement an auto report system on it but i'll discuss it in #helpers ^^
For the bold font thing... honestly idk it's pretty much common sense that you can't kill the solo role as ww and it's stated in the description as well so i don't see any sense in just making it bold...
If people don't bother to read role descriptions a bold font won't change that either :p
However, thanks for your suggestions and have a nice day!
forest rover
Add a place where you can know if someone accepted your friend request 👀
lunar salmon
Is there any way we could be more explicit about the fact that when you're coupled, that team is your first priority? I very frequently am coupled with ww who let the ww win by refusing to vote for them. Then I tell them what's going on and they claim they're on the ww team...
quaint bramble
@lunar salmon The game rules/faq are being rewritten and will surely include a better explanation for the lovers role, but I will pass it on to the relevant staff to make sure its not overlooked ^^
lunar salmon
Thank you so much
median elbow
Add autovote to the settings. If a player has it enabled their vote to start the game will be automatic
quaint bramble
As far as i know most people are against lobbies starting too suddenly or with less players, so I dont feel this suggestion would be well received 🤔
chilly lotus
Is there anyway i can unlink my facebook acc ? Just realized i was logged on to someone else’s account when i started the game
quaint bramble
@chilly lotus you mean your wwo account is linked to someone else's facebook?
I am sure you cannot change this yourself without creating a new account. This would be your best options if its not a very high level one yet.
I doubt its possible at all, but you could send an email to howl@werewolf-apps.com and explain the situation, they might have another option for you. Can take 2-3 days to get a reply.
chilly lotus
@quaint bramble thanks alot i just did. Hoping to get a reply from them. I only started playing for a week but still hoping i wont have to restart
nova edge
From mentor chat
I would like that when guardians decides to ban someone, they send proof of what the person did.
I guess it's about gamethrowing bans
quaint bramble
I understand that would be helpfulI, but I assume its very hard to do so in the game itself, small screen, big chat logs, they cant just send 5 full chatlogs your way for sure. It would also be pretty time consuming, and if someone just reads the game rules properly, they can figure out themselves what gamethrowing means exactly.
nova edge
yeah.. I guess they could just read the rules like they should've
modest pebble
In ranked mode, Joining spectators won’t stop the countdown
quaint bramble
@modest pebble Yup I'm aware this is causing some trouble in ranked and we get a few suggestions about this posted in #feedback-devs already ^^
sudden dock
⬆️Visual⬆️
Leaders and co-leaders should be able to direcf message members without adding them personally. It can become very tedious sometimes.
opaque pollen
Hello! This has been suggested many times. I agree it would be useful 👍
quaint bramble
@sudden dock Again, nope dont think so... stats in ranked are disabled for a reason. If they are good players you usually will notice by them saying their roles or discussing strats.... if they don't, then try to get it started yourself. Be a bit more proactive, it's ranked.
sudden dock
True haha
oooh how about this, if you are offline or leave the game early during ranked, both your XP and Skill should be either increased (loss) or decreased (win)
quaint bramble
xp already gets decreased by 25% in all game modes, when you are offline a lot or suicide. I am not sure if it also applies to skill points but I do assume so
sudden dock
It doesn't apply to skill points
paper sandal
Another suggestion; ban both of those users
quaint bramble
Please dont use this server as a player report channel. I will remove the screens after answering your message...
I think it's decided not to allow spectators to report, because it could be easily abused for flooding false reports, which gives the guardians a lot of extra work, strongly outweighing the benefits if we do allow it.
Players in the game should report, you can still encourage them to do so in the /spectator dead chat, or message it to a guardian directly if it is serious enough, and this includes racism like in your screenshots.
@paper sandal
opaque pollen
It's seasonal 👍
unkempt junco
I hope there is a non-english language detector in rank (especially in silver) and sandbox. I hate those who want to throw the game by speaking those languages that rarely one can understand
night path
That sounds like a brilliant idea actually, however do you know how this could be done?
night path
What im trying to say is languages like russian and stuff is easy to detect because of the different keyboard but languages that look like english: EG. Spanish would be harder to detect
unkempt junco
uhmm I am thinking too
Another suggestion: Keep all players in gold rank in gold when new season restarts
so this will keep annoying player from serious player
unkempt junco
Another suggestion: I think I want more guardians who usually play games to find gamethrowers easily, since some players don't want to report
cosmic goblet
I hope it will show people typing ( Like in the whatsapp )
glacial warren
@unkempt junco hey ^^ this reminds me of this suggestion I posted a while ago, which basically says, you stay on your rank, if you have a specific skill point https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/627430949008703518
For the idea you gave, I think that's kinda unfair, because then the players, which start ranked again are in the bottom of the list, and the players on rank 1 will forever stay there....
Second suggestion, the guardian application were opened until a few days ago and they choose themselves whom they choose. Guardians need to be trustworthy and mature, since they work with personal information
@cosmic goblet this already has been suggested, but I couldn't find it in #feedback-devs
Are u fine with this version of the suggestion:
I want to be able to see, if someone, especially in the prelobby, is typing. The reason is, that you sometimes type something and the other person just starts, because she thinks you are waiting. It could be useful, if it would be like the "x is typing..." here or on WhatsApp. If more than 2 people are typing, just write "several people are typing"
forest rover
rigid bronze
Well I'd say why not but you can already see this 😅
At the top of your friend list 👀
Or do you mean something else ?
forest rover
Are you sure I can see it @rigid bronze?
rigid bronze
Yes
forest rover
I mean,I send a friend request to you.When you accept it,I get a notification to know that you accepted it.
Where can I check it?🤔
forest rover
At the bottom you can see the pending friend requests you have.Not exactly the same 👀
rigid bronze
Well technically, if they accepted, the ày get in your friend lusty otherwise they just disappear
The ay = they
forest rover
But for example I have more than 250 friends,it’s quite boring to check one by one to see if the player that I sent a friend request accepted it or declined it.I also need to remember the name of the player,and who knows if he didn’t change the name.A notification would be really nice imo 👀
forest rover
Or if he accepted
rigid bronze
You already get one if he accepted
forest rover
Wondering where because this never happened to me 👀
glacial warren
Sure ^^ this is the right channel for this
paper fiber
Ok...
Anyways..I'd like to suggest night mode where u can turn it on or off
Cause without night mode its killing my eyes
glacial warren
Oh yes ^^ I love this idea, and I'm also not a fan of light mode xD
It already has been suggested a while ago and was posted from me in #feedback-devs ^^ here is the link for it https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/639770552957009963 maybe you want to add a 😉
glacial warren
Cool ^^ thank you for your suggestion
paper fiber
Man i really hope yall do i love the game but its killing my eyes
forest rover
There’s any kind of notifications like this @rigid bronze 👀
rigid bronze
Hum okay...
Then I will add it to #feedback-devs but I have to do something first, just to be sure 🤔
drowsy yarrow
shouldn't this be in the mouth, i would like to use it without the hair, maybe separate it if possible
uneven gust
Make a new case system. Create a new kinds of cases. And make a new level up bonus system. It was good when game was young. But now this game have a year.
Case shoops
rigid bronze
@forest rover Thanks for suggesting, I will add it now 💙
woeful mesa
Hi, for the last feedback devs, I think a notification when someone accepts should be sent, but not when someone refused. It can be sometimes troublesome if you have to answer questions like: why did you refuse???😅
woeful mesa
Thanks^^
Yeah, in my opinion at least^^
rigid bronze
Oki 👍
quaint bramble
@uneven gust With case do you mean lootboxes? And do you have ideas what kind of rewards you should get instead?
uneven gust
Yes
The first thing shoud be added a few NEW items. Like artifacts. And whem you get 5 of a kind . You will get a bonus. Like 10.000 gold
Or somethink
ornate sun
could I suggest to remove hints like "this is your target blablabla" or like make the target super small at the bottom left corner? I could have taken solo win but the target sign prevented me from voting my target 
placid cove
Yeah same for mm target too. Maybe put it into the left up corner.
Also can you make a reward system for successful and correct reports especially for game throwing, teaming or multi accounting. This would encourage people to report cheaters more. Say like a small money reward or if someone reports good reports of people cheating for certain number of times, they would get some unique avatar stuff too maybe.
quaint bramble
@uneven gust 10.000 gold is a bit much :/
@ornate sun Being unable to vote like that is known for sheriff suspects and glitched players, I've never heard of it before with hh target 🤔 You might wanna report that in #bugs-readonly
And you can toggle 'dont show this again' right, and vote afterwards?
@placid cove Getting players banned that ruin the game, is quite the reward already for most people. I think it would be too much work for the guardians if they have to approve/disapprove every single report for being valid or not. yes they check them all, but if someone is bannable after 3 outta 10 reports, they wouldnt need to dig through the other ones on the same player as well for example..
ornate sun
@quaint bramble as in the notif to tell me what a target is showed up causing me to be unable to vote
uneven gust
@quaint bramble you can also create your reward. I gave example :))
quaint bramble
@ornate sun Yes but like i said, you can toggle those things off right? it wouldnt keep showing up then?
ornate sun
@quaint bramble I didn't know it'll show up, I play ranked, I don't get HH often and never had this problem
but can we relocate that target thing
light edge
I want immunity for auto bans when the people reporting me are below 50% win rate. thank you
rigid bronze
People reporting you have no link with auto bans
light edge
that's the problem.
people not understanding my strats but still reporting are my biggest issue. 2nd time this week
🤦♂️
rigid bronze
People report you = Guardians check
So apparently the Guardians don't understand your strategies
👀
Auto reports are things that the game detects, for example if you say "{a real ww} is Werewolf" if you are ww
Like it could be a strategy, but tbh most of the time it isnt
light edge
your auto ban system reports me every time I make a list of suspects and mention more than 2 wolfs or i sacrifice a wolf faking aura.
Meaning I never can fit into the village. your auto report system sucks and needs to get nerved
And yea the only guardian understanding high ranked is @naive whale
rigid bronze
Well if you have any real suggestions, I'm opened
But just saying "this sucks" won't help :/
light edge
Sacrificing wolfs in order to fake aura successfully is needed in high ranked.
Maybe adjust the auto report system so good players dont get punished with that.
Also imagine a solo doesnt fake doc.
How to find out real doc day 1.
let every doc claim type "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 ww"
wolfs cant do that and get reported for that.
system auto reporting players doing their best for their team will destroy the game
official feedback enough?
Also please teach your guardians how ranked works so they can check situations clearly. I suggest them to check my videos. Seriously. Do that
quaint bramble
Just because people in ranked use it as a tactic, doesnt mean its 100% approved by the rules. Selling out a team mate to prove yourself as aura, is only ok if its agreed upon by that wolf...
I do agree perhaps the censor shoulnt work in ranked though
quaint bramble
Not being able to vote the target still?
thick bolt
@quaint bramble I don't agree
thick bolt
Selling a teammate it's your option
charred plover
If the ww is consulted then he sacrifices himself for the win its ok I believe
Or really just ask a helprr
quaint bramble
Yeah I agree with that, if they agree its fine
but it will still trigger auto report message
thick bolt
Why should be a problem to sacrifice a ww if they are so dummy? Some players cannot understand a good strategy
And ranked is a solo ranking.. not a team one
charred plover
Majestical what was it like to become a helper
lament knoll
~~i personally don't wanna get called out by one of my mates without knowing it... it doesnt cost anything to ask or atleast mention it
If one of my ww mates calls me out it's a reflex to report them as when they do not mention their strategy it looks like dull gamethrowing
lament knoll
Well, you apply, hope to get taken and then you pretty much learn further stuff on the job
But that rather sounds like #off-topic or dm stuff tbh :p
thick bolt
@lament knoll Yes but.... no. Some players would never let you give them. Because they cannot understand your strategy. And their strategy has 10% success rate while yours 25%
lament knoll
Well its 100% gamethrowing calling out a ww without their agreement
That's simply a rule :p
charred plover
Yep
lament knoll
Calling out a ww isnt allowed in general, but if they agree on it then there's an exception of that rule ;)
charred plover
"if a ww isn't consulted first it's gamethrowing"
lament knoll
Majestical already explained it, i just wanted to give my opinion, really :p
charred plover
Me too¯_(ツ)_/¯
If I'm not a helper yet I'm trying to help without having that role
lament knoll
:p that's good
Now hush hush out of this channel if you have no further feedback :3
charred plover
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
thick bolt
@light edge has a point and I think that you should let players use interesting not linear strategies without a risk of getting banned
median elbow
I agree with sect
quaint bramble
I could give a post to disabling the ww censor in Ranked, but thats about it, from what ive been reading here
ranked has differnt mechanics, but not everything you guys consider pro strategies is actually within the rules...
thick bolt
@quaint bramble what? Rules has only purpose not to let people gamethrow. if you tactic win or may win shouldn't be reportable
Why to get somebody banned who tries to win without cheating?
silk shale
As a ww in high ranked you can only win with those pro strategies unless 9/10 villagers are gamethrowing...
light edge
You guys are funny. You stick to the rules.
I found strats that work by force but I get banned multiple times a week by applying them.
You buff villages so the game is easier. While you stop listening what the player want.
quaint bramble
@thick bolt Rules arent just about gamethrowing no... rules are keeping a fair playing field for all teams involved. Something like emoji coding is helping the villagers, but its unfair cause an evil player has literally no defense, for example
silk shale
You should at least disable the chat filter in ranked so you can chat like a villager as ww
quaint bramble
@light edge I started playing ranked again to get a closer look at its mechanics and player base and give more targeted feedback here.
And Allison also plays it, so if you wanna apeal your ban about your ranked strategies, you should try discussing it with her
light edge
And yea. if we talk about gamethrowing.
A quiet jr should get a report for not doing their best for their teammate.
I sell quiet Jr always day 2 or 3. because them dying last just gives the village 1 more villager.
You see it from the village POV
Try to see it from each team independently
I do - alison is my saviour
quaint bramble
I am definately not defending the village, i take playing as ww seriously enough
villagers too much rely on rolecalls which is really not a'pro' strategy at all, its just taking the ez way out
and i know ranked well enough that not talking at all, ww or villager, is really not helpful
light edge
can we agree a jr not claiming is gamethrow? ranked would improve fast that way
quaint bramble
Perhaps we could arrange a group chat between alisonn ad some discord staff and ranked players like yourself, to see if we can define and improve the rules for ranked play specifically?
silk shale
Btw if your aww in ranked is gamethrowing and you dont have 2 awws, you have 3 options
(as far as i know aww always decides in a 2vs2 ww voting)
1: try to sell your gamethrowing aww (can get you banned)
2: let him gamethrow (you lose the game)
3: ww seer resigns (you have a disadvantage)
So the best option for gameplay is 1. but you cant do this. so you have no chance to win this game unless you want a ban
light edge
I can invite some of the staff to Platinum Ranked discord
Alison is part of the community already
quaint bramble
Im definately willing to get involved on this topic
some of you have seen me in ranked recently 👀
light edge
dm me @quaint bramble
quaint bramble
Yes but like I say, just because theyre commonly used, doesnt mean they are 100% fair and allowable.
quaint bramble
and yes it sucks to play with newbies, but you cannot expect everyone to know all the ins and outs
the leagues are not level matched very well, we all know that
so first and foremost, try to explain what youre doing to your team
golden scarab
In rank strats are more advanced and its competitivity because you really have something to lose. So when you use strats or another approach to the game a lot of people don't understand and gt
quaint bramble
you got a ww chat for that reason exactly
light edge
quiet players should get banned of ranked. end of the story
ok if you want to discuss it with us. dm me as I said
Imma head out. thanks for listening
golden scarab
I am talking to my team, asking them to at least claim their roles. Believe me they just don t answer
merry helm
how am i supposed to play a game like this?
median elbow
@quaint bramble my "illegal" strategies get me more wins. And the rules are supposedly outdated.
@light edge I just gotta game throwing ban myself
quaint bramble
If it isnt an automatic ban, I assume it means the guardians have looked at it and disapproved of the strategy :/
Afaik they can see its ranked pretty easily
and it always used to be that at least 2 guardiands need to agree before you get the ban
so a decent chance that alisonn also looked at it before getting you banned
median elbow
They can disapprove all they want. A lot of our strategies make the village (or wolf team) stronger
I claim red lady as a lot of rrvs. Bh tg villager, all of them
quaint bramble
And so does emoji codes, doesnt mean its fair to use, I dont really wana repeat myself on this.
As far as I know, from actual guardian replies, claimin a diff rrv is allowed, and i can check with staff if this will be specified in the upcoming role ideas
floral heath
Suggestion: Spectator Prompt
Allow Players to choose whether they would like to Spectate or Play a game before joining it. That way, they don’t join a game by accident and mess it up because they intended to Spectate in the first place. It’s currently possible to do this through playing with friends (even if just by yourself and setting Spec mode up there before joining the desired game-mode) but this only works for Quick Game and Sandbox at the moment.
median elbow
Please don't add this as a prompt just add a spectator icon in the top left correct before joining the game
floral heath
That can work yes
median elbow
How about that. It looks better than a prompt anyways
Golden lootboxes for purchased items.
lament knoll
The Spectator issue
We already got a suggestion where you join as spectator by default and can then choose to join the game by clicking any spot :p
That'd be an option we had on this topic recently
The button should probably be made a bit more convenient by making it bigger and closer to the quick game one, but that indeed does sound like a decent idea i guess :p
I'll give it a post i guess, crediting you both, thanks for the feedback
median elbow
quaint bramble
I really liked the join as spectator by default idea tbh, it sounds like the best soluton so far
sacred sable
Or just remove spectating as an option entirely in Ranked-
lament knoll
yea :p
median elbow
Golden lootcrates for purchased items
light edge
@floral heath I suggested that a couple of days before. check out #feedback-devs and give it a like
lament knoll
@median elbow
back button in lootbox menu
it's not exactly pointless :p
sometimes people click one too far because it doesn't work the first time, but in fact only got a delay and this way you can go back in your lootboxes and open the one before first, i mean sure you could also open the one you got now first and then the other one but i actually use that button pretty recently :3
Especially if i open lootboxes i got from purchasing an outfit, i like to open the 3 lootboxes before i open the ones which contain the outfit to keep up the suspense, and just logically speaking where's a forward button also needs to be a back button 👀
Plus it's really not that much of a trouble to players that it's necessary to remove it if that was your suggestion ^^
golden lootbox for purchased stuff
That does sound like a nice idea, even if it's just a small visual perk :p
I could not find it being suggested before by searching the bullet words of it so i guess it has not been suggested before, and even if a repost wouldn't hurt :3
also yea i mentioned that sect :p
light edge
😁
any mod wants to be part of PR server to discuss high level ranked changes? Unicorn just joined
lament knoll
I got 0 knowledge of ranked so i would feel outta place ig :p
median elbow
@lament knoll the left and right arrows however are pointless. There is only 1 type of crate in the game
@light edge let me in
light edge
@lament knoll spectate my games and u will only play ranked 😁
I dont know the mod community. but you can ask around if there is interest
lament knoll
I actually lurked into a couple of vids of you, but that's getting off topic :p i was kinda impressed tho, i only play sandbox and the peeps there are not really full of strategy ;w;
median elbow
This does not match the "art style" posted in #avatar-ideas
lament knoll
In which terms exactly? :p
median elbow
The app has a rule on no outlines
lament knoll
I see no outlines...
median elbow
Those have white outlines. it's just an attention to detail
lament knoll
Yeah the white outlines are also on pretty much everything, there's a difference between that and the style guide for designs but i do agree they should be on all icons :p
median elbow
I'm ban again imma be in this channel a lot today
That's another thing if the white outlines are on one thing put them on all the icons
lament knoll
Yeah i guess it's because that icon changes frequently, it's never the same icon it always changes pattern/colour/bow etc
But it shouldn't be too hard to just add these white outlines on all the gift icon as they are limited in design i guess plus it's a thing of maybe 30 seconds :3
median elbow
Why am I being ghosted by you @peak knot
quaint bramble
Maybe theres some instas that keep people updated on new offers, or like 'yo mah fans i bought this thing today'
peak knot
I found it funny that you wanted to join PR server
quaint bramble
It's a promo option to the game might not be useful to most people, but it doesnt really hurt.
light edge
@lament knoll hihi thanks 😁
feel free to lurk more into them.
those strats work in sb as well
So another one.
Whenever I am fool/ sk or arso, evil roles mostly win. I am satisfied with my claims and my contribution. It would still be nice to get at least a couple of sp for your effort.
Every evil role loves me being fool. While other fools claim day 1 and help village
uncut tusk
Heya, thanks for suggesting! Hmmm I honestly don't see the logic why solo roles should be rewarded for helping another evil team 😅
light edge
@quaint bramble help
my combined evil win rate as fool arso sk is huge compared to other players solo roles. that's why
median elbow
@light edge imma ask for your opinion instead of a general opinion on this.
Should the hh be removed from ranked? The hh and fool really offset the ww team from a win or loss. Should the fool be the only solo voting role in ranked?
sacred sable
Might as well remove all the RRVS too
median elbow
I didn't say rrvs I said hh. When a fool is in the game there is a higher chance the ww/solo will win.
It might be more balanced this way
quaint bramble
Or ranked players should stop hating on hh's who try to get their target killed :shrug:
sacred sable
Det: 13#16
16: I'm med so (is ww)
13: am hh so
Vote hh
silk shale
Well, if the hhs would try to kill their target, it would be a good role in ranked. but most hhs dont even try
floral heath
thats why only fool should spawn in det mode >already suggested
sacred sable
Ss: 14 or 15 killed
14: am hh so
15: Yeah, well I'm doc
vote doc cuz said last
quaint bramble
Im gonna leave this point open for discussion with other ranked players, I would prefer keeping hh around and encouraging people to play the role correctly
Aka maybe we can go as far as giving hh revealing target the same treatment as ww's revealing ww's.
silk shale
I still say hh should become fool if the target dies or in the game it doesnt say which voting role is in it
sacred sable
Is lying about target still throwing though
Cuz 9/10 times players assume hh lies anyways
silk shale
If your target isnt dead, you are allowed to lie
floral heath
hh revealing target real or not is not gamethrowing if they are trying to survive and abuse their other win con, thats why so many people do it.
quaint bramble
Lying about your target is never throwing, it;s literally what the role s about...
floral heath
and if you prevent them from doing this, target reveals are always lies from then
sacred sable
So recap:
Hh lying is okay, but revealing to survive is lynch
floral heath
in practice its the opposite
sacred sable
I wanna say I'm a living example of the words I just said but
Not like I actually try to play competitively
light edge
I think hh claiming day 1 should be considered gamethrow. if their real target dies they should be considered fool and win like a fool
my honest opinion
sacred sable
So basically a better Executioner from ToS-
floral heath
yup
sacred sable
Who wins but doesn't end game if target is lynched
floral heath
i knew you were gonna bring up tos
sacred sable
And can also kill anyome voting them up
Be honest, using ToS for comparison is par for course for games like this
floral heath
they haven't sued us yet so theres no reason to not incorporate some of the cool ideas from tos here
sacred sable
Imean
They're basically under as it is?-
floral heath
tos and this are pretty much the same game, they come from the same game
sacred sable
Yeah
Guess Who
quaint bramble
maybe keep this channel clean until you have solid suggestions worked out please
floral heath
some suggestions here get rejected because of reason along the lines of 'tos made it first'. i think its ok for us to make our own versions of suggestions that come from similar games, i.e. tos
sacred sable
Mmmmh
I want to suggest something that'll upset everyone
median elbow
@quaint bramble I wasn't hating on the hh. That wasn't even the suggestion. It was remove the hh and only use the fool.
Someone posted some stats on hh vs fool wins with 10 games.
with fool: 7 village wins 1 solo win 2 we wins
With hh: 10 village wins
The village has a higher chance at winning when there is a hh in the game. The game is more balanced when a fool is in the game
quaint bramble
Yes and I am willing to investigate the source of that first, cause I dont think removing hh is the solution at all.
floral heath
it only affects the higher skilled playerbase anyway, where using hh as a villager makes the game an auto village win given optimal conditions
if hh works with the village then villagers should win, even if he doesn't then evils still have a hard time lynching villagers because one of those villagers is probably the hhs target anyway
median elbow
Btw whoever said the hh saying a fake target is throwing it's not. Even when my target is dead I still give a fake temporary target since when the hh target dies day 1 it's suspicious.
Even if my target is dead idc who wins since it's just -3 skill for me regardless of who's on top
peak knot
Hh should be adjusted, not removed
Simple solution: give hh a new target each time his previous target died
I also like the idea of hh becoming fool, but since ToS already has this let's not copycat too much :3
With hh as it is right now, I wouldn't mind playing only fool games. They are more interesting and have a higher skill gap.
median elbow
The new target has been suggested before ( and I support it)
Simpler solution is make the hh not a villager.
lament knoll
@light edge -> https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/648693987020111916 :p might wanna upvote that
lament knoll
Oh wait did i misunderstand your suggestion? i'm a little tired :p soo
peak knot
The point is: hh becoming a villager makes no sense and affects gameplay negatively
Change that
How, I rlly don't care tbh
median elbow
Another thing when the hh counterclaims another hh they risk losing the game already
Shoot one hh lynch the other
median elbow
Variations of the word ||faggot|| should be censored. ||fag fagg and faggot||
sacred sable
... you mean
They're not?
median elbow
||Fag|| isn't
sacred sable
What about ||fgt||
median elbow
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
stiff edge
Why cant you invite friends to ranked game?
runic dragon
It would give many cases of teaming 🤷🏻♂️
sacred sable
As if there isn't teaming already-
runic dragon
There are but anyway with that would be more
sacred sable
voice calls to tell each others' roles
runic dragon
People would even grind for SP same as they do with XP
opaque pollen
To put it simply it isn't likely to happen.
vivid blaze
Make the hate speech system better. Just like you have an automatic system for detecting and reporting ww reveal, keep it for hate speech also.
If someone writes swear words you either immediately automatic ban them or at the least show a warning message. Then 3 warnings maybe can result in a ban.
The game is getting more and more toxic so it's better if u act now to deal with such toxicity.
Also ofc you might argue that "people will still somehow write them by using spaces or special characters". But again the thing is, if u can't fix something completely (which is impossible for anything anyways), will u ignore trying to reduce it also?
Think about it and I hope, for your own good and for the safety and satisfaction of players, you implement this or something similar that can deal with such issues.
quaint bramble
There already is a red warning message for hate speech ^^
I do think its less sensitive than the censorship though, to avoid triggering on partly censored word
vivid blaze
I never noticed it. Did it come out recently?
I haven't noticed any maybe coz I don't swear ig lol
quaint bramble
I think it was added around the same time as the ww message, but yeah i also never trigger it so its hard to tell for me how it works exactly
vivid blaze
Can you please elaborate on how it's less sensitive to the censorship thing?
Oh nvm I get it now
Well in that case it should be made more sensitive tbh
quaint bramble
Somone mentioned the word Montenegro gets partially censored, I assume the hate speech message wold not show up for the combined word, but it would show for just the n-word part
vivid blaze
Yeah. Even words like circumstance are censored in the middle
sacred sable
Censors only block specific words
median elbow
S||poon|| ||anal||yze and cu||cum||ber get censored
quaint bramble
if people get an automatic warn everytime they try to say 'assume' or 'circumstance' we would get a lot of falsely banned players
sacred sable
Or senses if the specific word is in another
Cir||cum||stances DOES get censored though
vivid blaze
If they can fix this slightly broken censor system then maybe the hate speech warning sensitivity can be increased
quaint bramble
Yeah it would be great if it can differentiate between bad words that are part of other words, but it always has some counter side to it, if you cant say just gay, you could say supergay (trying to pick not too bad words here)
sacred sable
Still find it funny how ||ass|| isn't censored, but the game auto reports you for ||asshole|| and not words like ||bastard|| or ||bitch||
Same with ||douchebag||
vivid blaze
Well there will always be counters as people can, and do, write with spaces or with special characters.
Thus this is why we're talking about improving
I said it in the first place that there will always be loopholes to the problem but at the least the problems can be reduced
median elbow
Ass should've censored however people attempting to bypass a$$ should still be bannable
Pissed shouldn't be censored
Screwed as well
vivid blaze
Trying to detect loopholes is difficult and understandable. I'm talking about the plain bad words which most aren't detected
sacred sable
Suck is also censored
vivid blaze
Imagine a swear word xyz, just because people can write it as x y z or xy z, that doesn't mean u would not fix the first thing itself.
Thus I think the censor system for words in between words should be fixed
And once that is done, hate speech detection sensitivity can be increased
sacred sable
Simple fix:
Wwo needs better system to catch bypass
median elbow
My teammates suck but I can't say suck so my teammates are trash
I fu hmmm cking hate trashing teammate
vivid blaze
@sacred sable I agree with you, but since even simplest of the simplest solutions are ignored by the devs for god knows what reasons, I don't expect something so difficult like a bypass system to be implemented anytime soon
Which is one of the reasons I don't suggest much nowadays either, coz it's a waste of time. Even easy and simple solutions are ignored and pointlessly argued upon let alone the difficult ones.
And btw let's now end this suggestion talk about the hate speech system coz people are using swear words as examples 😅 let's keep the chat clean. Besides I think we've said everything needed and there isn't much to discuss
sacred sable
Simple response:
$$$$$$$$$
@vivid blaze
runic dragon
New roles look awesome
can’t wait to use them
Same 
When will they be available 
"The roles just arent released yet, they will arrive soon noone know when"
Mk
opaque pollen
Also that's a question for #questions 👍 But yeah no idea ATM
median elbow
Advanced setting for custom games.
- Reveal all random hidden roles
- Random role limitations (like what roles can and cannot appear)
light edge
- a protector rv slot
- a provable rv slot
- a duplicate rv slot (aura, doc)
thin dome
These should be the same size
twilit fjord
So, I have 2 suggestions: 1st suggestion is to make the gww image black or grey like the other ww images. Gww image messes me up every time when I count wws and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Like when I'm counting dead wws I forget to count gww as a ww cause its not the same color as the other wws.
2nd suggestion: So, I was sheriff i watched someone and they died. It gave me 2 and 16 as suspects. Paci revealed 16 and 16 was jww. I watched 2 other people that died and it gave me 16 as a suspect both times. Idk if its possible, make it so that sheriff suspects are different each time.
lament knoll
Heyaaa @median elbow
Sorry for the late answer :p
I don't quite understand what you mean by these suggestions
I'm not really familar with custom either, so could you maybe specify these two options? ^^
light edge
in customs you can make your own games. split the rv into those different categories. to have more control over rvs
lament knoll
Heyy @light edge
Sorry for the late answer :3
So, do you mean in ranked/custom to seperate the Random Villagers not only by Regular and Strong but also by these characteristics?
I don't quite know if i like that, well sure at the moment i actually don't play either, but wouldn't dividing them into slots kind of take out the claiming point of it?
Like you could say "i'm rrv" and people could ask "what kind?" then there is an around 2/3 chance you claim something that can easily proven to be wrong in early game... also wouldn't these categories overlap with each other as
Witch -> protector rv, provable rv
Priest -> duplicate rv, provable rv
Doc -> protcetor rv, duplicate rv 👀
I mean i do like the ideas but how would you know which kind you are if you're the second doc or a witch etc :p
runic dragon
it’s customs sect is talking about-
the host should be able to choose that if they like to-
light edge
we have been trying different ranked custom set ups.
we found out by perfect village play. evil roles have more chance if aura/ doc are rv. so the roles are duplicated. and therefore suspect. it is just a small thing but would do us a big favour
halcyon elk
Boooooot
lament knoll
Heyy @thin dome :3
Yeah i guess that's about right, it's only an inventory displaying thing tho, they actually are the same size if worn right? :p
Might just be a small placement mistake in the overview, i'll add it to #feedback-devs for you, thanks for your suggestion!
Heyyy @twilit fjord
Guardian ww Icon
Actually the ones which created the guardian ww wanted the icon that way and i think it's a nice difference to the other werewolves, nightmare ww is also black instead of dark grey and the guardian ww is a very light grey instead of a dark grey :p
I personally don't think it should get changed but there's no harm in letting it get evaluated in #feedback-devs ^^
Sheriff
I think it's indeed intended and i dont know if it gives you a random ww or if it shows you the weakest ww but i guess if it shows you the weakest ww it's just like tg, no matter if the tg got revealed he'll always only see the weakest ww alive
That is unfortunate but i guess just a game mechanic of Sheriff then, showing him different suspects every time would buff sheriff by a... well maybe not a lot but quite a bit :3
I guess i could put it up for evaluation in #feedback-devs as well, thanks for your suggestions
@light edge yeah but my question was if a role fits into two categories which one does it belong to then?
twilit fjord
@lament knoll ok, thanks. Didn't think about the fact that it might show u the weakest ww, lol.
light edge
some belong to both.
provable (mayor paci witch mm gg priest)/ non provable
protective (doc bg tg bh witch)/ non protective
killing (mm witch bh priest avenger)/ non killing ect
duplicate (aura rv/ doc rv/ priest rv)
lament knoll
does not really answer my question but fair enough i'll post it :p
Thanks for your suggestion
light edge
better?
lament knoll
Ah, yes indeed :p
cosmic goblet
Where should I report people ?
quaint bramble
@cosmic goblet In the game, by opening the player list top-right, and tapping their player name.
Only if it's really serious hurtful stuff, like racism or sexual inapp stuff you can send a screenshot to a guardian.
Check out #ingame-reports-archieved for info as well :)
iron girder
I thought of a Karma System
So heres a quick rundown of it.
The karma system is based on successful player reports, games, bans etc.
Karma will only be shown to the own Player.
Karma can help such as in player reports for rank up to date.(Lets pretend theres a troller. Guardians can click the latest report base on the highest karma). Lets face it, 12 reports is abit hard in 1 game. And karma can mark a player of their expertise on the game whether the report was real etc.
Karma may or may not determine ban time.(Just an idea, geez don't get worked up)
Karma can contribute in future decisions of Guardian. (Again, an idea)
Having a karma system only viewable to one ownself may lead one to have a certain sense of conscious about their actions in game, and feel bad on having negative karma.(This is an idea, too lazy to check whether its real). The effect may result oppositely.
thick bolt
@iron girder Perfect idea. I have another one. What about
HONOR
Honor is simple. When a game ends you can give 1-3 honors. What is a honor? it is like a badge. You give a honor to a player you think that he is good. This will make players to try play better and prove their skill.
runic dragon
Suggestion
It would be great if anyone can download WWO on PC.
- @runic dragon
thick bolt
@runic dragon You can do it by using an emulator
runic dragon
Oh. I'll check it out.
median elbow
@lament knoll sect explained the rrv limits to you. The reveal all hidden roles is to show the what roles are in the game from the roles list. Instead of seeing "Random Regular Villager x 10" you will actually see the roles I'm the game. Like Doctor x3, Mayor x1, Priest x2, Pacifist x4.
This is for custom games, not ranked, not sandbox, not quick play.
spring chasm
Change the color of guardian manager to match with the current guardian color. The role wasn't used before the guardian's color was changed so I guess that's why the color is not up to date.
austere relic
How about a banner that you can draw yourself. It would be buyable then and if you buy it you're able to draw something on it and select a colour. I don't know if it's called banner but I mean the thing that is on the left of your name
forest rover
So my suggestion is to make that in a game we can have more than one jailer.
There’s a few situations that maybe you think that wouldn’t make sense if we have more than 1 jailer ig,so I’m going to explain what would happen.
1-If two jailers jail each other.
I do have 2 options.
1st.Jailers are not able to jail a jailer.If you try to jail a jailer,nothing will happen.
2nd.Both are jailed,so they get roleblocked.Because they’re both roleblocked,they just can talk as prisoners,but they’re not able to talk as jailer/kill.
2 A jailer that jails another jailer that jailed another kind of villager.
1st option.Same 1st option of before,so jailer 1 does not jail and jailer 2 jails correctly.
2nd option.Second jailer gets roleblocked.The villager jailed gets jailed,but the second jailer won’t be there.Same as when jailer dies by arso/jww tag...
3 What happens if 2 jailers jail the same player?
They will be both in the same jail,and both can kill.
Another option will be this.
Jailers share the jail chat.
Jailers will be noticed about what the others jailers says,as mediums does.
This would be explained if we think that jailers are outside the jail.
Just the jailer that jailed X player will be notified about what the jailed player says.This would be explained if we think that jailed players are inside the jail.
The jailed player will be just able to read what the jailer that jailed this player says.This would be because jailed players inside the jail.
Jailers can kill just the player that they jailed.
Jailers cannot know by themselves who the others jailers jailed.
Jailers can share an objective to jail and both will jail the same player.
If 1 jailer jails 2 jailer,nothing happens.Jailers cannot jail between themselves.
lament knoll
Heyaaa @spring chasm
Yeah i guess that's fair :p
I don't know if that was planned anyways but i'll just point it out in #helpers again for you.
Thanks for your feedback ^^
spring chasm
Np and thanks
fallen sonnet
Wouldn't it be cool if you could talk to the person you are coupled with at night, i think this would be great because then you could plan for the next day.
lament knoll
Heyyy @austere relic
That sounds like a fun idea, but... just to get clarification, do you mean the level banners? 👀
Like the ones you get when you level up, i think it'd be cool to be able to change the colour/pattern of it for sure but i dont quite know about the drawing part as we do not have any customisable stuff by drawing in game yet and i don't know if it might even not be possible or too complex coding-wise for a small visual perk...
Also some people could abuse that to write inapp stuff on their banner, but then again that's the risk with almost everything :p
Maybe we could add a couple of patterns/colours and maybe even some pictures you could use as banner, maybe even be able to upload your own pictures?
Heyaa @forest rover
I rechecked some reasons why only one jailer per game is allowed and i found an earlier answer, that still applies tho
Jailer is a role blocker which can block a person's role for a whole night and each night one person, usually role blockers are not welcomed in game unless they are balanced, and Jailer is a balanced role blocker... but only if it's there once
Then again it is custom so if you wanna jinx your game by adding too many role blockers that's kind of your own problem :p
I'll discuss it in #helpers and will get to you later
Thanks for your suggestion ^^
forest rover
Thx @lament knoll
lament knoll
Heyyy @fallen sonnet
That indeed has already been suggested quite often but has been denied because of it being too busy if you're werewolf/jailer/medium because you have the villager chat, the medium/werewolf/jailer chat and then having a third chat would be too hard to manage.
Also the fun of the couple is that they need to comunicate without actually communicating, a couple win gives a lot of xp so it should be atleast a challenge to get one :3
But still thanks for your suggestion
fallen sonnet
Ok thank you
forest rover
So here we go with two different options.
Option one. Change this beard (white one) to hair.Right now it is in mask.
Option two.Change this two beards to mask.Right now it is in hair.
I don’t mind about which one,but imo it does not make sense to have beards in two different categories.
topaz smelt
languid cape
Make it possible so we can obtain the old battle pass items, there are some items I want but I can never get unless I turn back time 😂 Maybe make it available in store for some time or make it a special offer?
forest rover
Devs won’t do it even if a 100% of the players want to,they want bp to be unique @languid cape 👀
languid cape
Yeah thought so it’s just a idea hahha
kind nexus
anyone else has this? Cause i cannot reproduce it 😦
sacred sable
The purple? Or the heart icon?
fierce shale
@kind nexus it's all of the icons , I noticed it yesterday actually
I will screenshot
sudden fog
@topaz smelt #czech-slovak ?
fierce shale
@kind nexus
I circled the ones that are affected the most
I believe its just an issue with the boundaries of the crest or the panning of the icon image
sacred sable
I
Thunk that might be a phone/pixel issue
Rather than the game
Cuz all mine show perfectly fine
fierce shale
Could I see @sacred sable
sacred sable
median elbow
Good idea!
fierce shale
@sacred sable yours are cutoff too
Not as much as mine but its subtle
Lucky
Lol
fierce shale
Like I said it is subtle
sacred sable
Then it's subtle enough that I can't even see it with my glasses on and in my face
fierce shale
@sacred sable you may have to zoom in
But yes you're right its definitely almost nonexistent
I have a keen eye for details , being an artist with OCD
forest rover
quaint bramble
@forest rover I believe the reason for the pharaoh beard being in hair instead of masks is because the outfit already has a mask too (unless the eye piece in glasses i didnt check) If you got 2 items in the same category you wouldnt be able to equip them together
forest rover
This happens with some clan quests tho
Like the green monster has two front items
The zebra two masks
Or this two items
And however in that case the santa beard should be in hair @quaint bramble 👀
As far as I know the santa beard is the first beard that is in mask category.
lament knoll
the eye piece is in glasses yeah :p
austere relic
@lament knoll I meant this thing
median elbow
I know this suggestion is "copying" from another game but can we have something like this in WWO? Can we have random perks that roses? Maybe even after 250-500 wins we could gain access to a feature like this.
noble storm
Is there ever going to be a pc version?
quaint bramble
There was a vote for it a long time ago, but people werent really interested in it.
You can already play it on pc though, by using an emulator like Bluestacks (this is 100% allowed :)
@median elbow We get this suggestion every now and then, and Im still wondering why a random name is considered a better idea than for example, just hiding names completely and going by number alone?
median elbow
It gives someone a "character" to go by instead of a boring number.
In TOS we call people by numbers; ut we still use names as well
noble storm
I dont have good experiences with bluestacks
quaint bramble
there is other emulators too, thats just the one I know best, and that for sure works with wwo
noble storm
Ok
quaint bramble
@median elbow If this is about targetting, it is a returning topic and there is never a full agreement on it.. targetting is not preventable with this at all. You still got your avatars, you still got your tactics, and someone has to die either way. It simply wont solve what you;re trying to solve.
median elbow
It's not the "best" it's just the most known because that's one if the first few the media patched onto.
quaint bramble
I didnt say it IS the best, just that I know it better cause ive used it myself
median elbow
I think I know a many active people that would agree with this
Actives and people on the top 100 leaderbaord get targeted night 1 often
median elbow
Can we have all the @runic dragon bot commands pinned somewhere?
Not really dir #questions since this is also feedback
I saw that it was still being used ignore the last deleted part
quaint bramble
you can see the commands by using ?h all in #bot-commands it;s probbaly better not to pin them, so they dont get spammed as much
fierce shale
Can have the option to hide our outfits from people we arent friends with.
Skin focusing will be the reason I quit playing entirely
vale gyro
Add an indicator for seasonal items in the inventory. Currently it's impossible to tell whether the items are available forever or for a limited time.
quaint bramble
@vale gyro Hm yeah thats a good idea! Any specific suggestion what the icon should be, something fitting the season or something generic?
vale gyro
Maybe for Halloween a pumpkin and for the winter stuff a snowflake or Christmas tree?
Or something generic, whatever is simpler to implement.
quaint bramble
Ooh perhaps a little clock symbol to indicate the limited time... I'll add them all as examples ^^
sacred sable
Fix to prevent targeting:
Take out all the roles that kill
Luke, why have you turned off your targeting system?
rain fiber
I got notification saying Warning,players have recently reported you for...
When i clicked on it ,it did nothing
Whats up with that
sudden dock
I just wanted to say thank you so much for adding in the items which cost coins! Roses can be expensive and hard to get, so it really means alot to me💗❄ I hope there are more items that cost coins in the future!
vale gyro
Yeah, the rose prices are really unacceptable imo...
iron girder
I thought of a Karma System
So heres a quick rundown of it.
The karma system is based on successful player reports, games, bans etc.
Karma will only be shown to the own Player.
Karma can help such as in player reports for rank up to date.(Lets pretend theres a troller. Guardians can click the latest report base on the highest karma). Lets face it, 12 reports is abit hard in 1 game. And karma can mark a player of their expertise on the game whether the report was real etc.
Karma may or may not determine ban time.(Just an idea, geez don't get worked up)
Karma can contribute in future decisions of Guardian. (Again, an idea)
Having a karma system only viewable to one ownself may lead one to have a certain sense of conscious about their actions in game, and feel bad on having negative karma.(This is an idea, too lazy to check whether its real). The effect may result oppositely.
Im repostin cause I did not recieve a ping about my feedback
(I was sleeping)
Also Skapis idea too
median elbow
How would Honor be calculated? @thick bolt
How do you determine athe MVP of the match?
thick bolt
@median elbow Linear. It would something like roses but it won't be consumable.
Have you ever played League of Legends? They have a similar system
For example
@median elbow played well. @thick bolt did too. So I give them a "honor"
On our profiles we may have a honor counter (How many times we were"honored")
median elbow
Wait what does roses have to do with figuring out who is the MVP
median elbow
In your words how would honor be calculated
vivid blaze
Suiciding as a werewolf should be an immediate ban. Last thing we need is losing 25% of our team let alone considering that it's so hard already to win as ww
thick bolt
I explain it so bad.. :-(. Wait a moment to organise it
median elbow
@vivid blaze I disagree because there is already a suicide system in place. And I believe the catch is why limit it to 1 team?
vivid blaze
I know there's a suicide system in place........
Its just that I want to make it more serious for when you're a ww
median elbow
Here's a scenario (that has happened to me). I'm a ww, I was online day 1, offline day 2 and 3 and end up forcibly suiciding by the games forced suicide mechanic. That mechanic gets logged as a suicide.
vivid blaze
When a villager suicides it hardly makes a difference to the village coz it's so strong. If a ww teammate suicides, welp. You've already kinda lost the game due to the extremely low numbers
Adding some punishment weight to suiciding as a ww will obviously result in less suicides, thus a more balanced game
thick bolt
We play a game. We are 16 players. This game is ended. The we may have the possibility to give "honors" to the best players. Who are the best players? We may decide.
What is an honor and how you can give one. An honor is an award so you can reward the best players in a game. Either a teammate or an enemy.
So after the end of each game you may give 0 to 3 honors to different players (The numbers are just propositions. You may change them.) How can you do it?. You click on the honor icon (it may be at the bottom near rose icon) and you click another player to award it.
In addition in our profiles there could be a honor counter (like the rose counter (given and taken)).
What is the purpose of "honor"? To reward the best players and build a trust-point system. "Pro" players will have high honor/game. It is a way to get people to give their best in every game even if they lose. It has nothing to do with roses, coins, bribing, skill in ranked or anything else.
Of course honor rewards or tournaments may be created but this is another step.
A similar system is implemented in LeagueOfLegends for example. I can give you a link that explains it if you want.
median elbow
@runic dragon wrong in ranekd we report fools, ww and the solo killer for dying
thick bolt
@median elbow this is not so true... nobody reports solos and wws...
vivid blaze
And lastly this is something kinda no point in arguing about.... it's something so obvious and there's literally no reason not to change it
Prove me wrong if you think
thick bolt
Now as far as my idea is concerned it is not like the karma system proposed above. It is quite similar but only for positive Karma.
vivid blaze
In summary my suggestion is,
Make suicide punishment an instant 10 min ban if you suicide as a ww, because werewolves need numbers to play and win effectively. By suiciding as a ww you're letting your team down by 25%
Putting some weight on the punishment will make werewolves suicide less, thus a more balanced game
median elbow
I strongly disagree with this still as someone can lose connection and be force into a ban
vivid blaze
@median elbow if someone loses connection they don't suicide instantly
They go offline for a few days
Besides, suicide bans are 10 mins anyways... if they don't come back within the time they're offline, it surely will take longer to fix their connection and by the time they return the ban would be over anyways
Even if not, they can watch a video to reduce ban length anyways
Which in turn would raise more money for the game owners 😂👌
So I literally don't see any downsides to this... it can be a significant improvement if done. Unless ofc if people wanna argue here pointlessly about nonsense things which has happened so often in the past
woven gulch
Hey, I have a development idea: since we now allow people to choose to be spectators, they could choose to be available to take spots in the game / etc ... when someone suicides before the game starts they just swap places
I have also had a similar idea ... like role re-shuffling ... if a player suicides that is a more valuable role to their team it is handed to the person with the least valuable role
this only requires that the role not instantly be shown upon suicide .... and if a seer had checked this person they get another check
this could solve doctors/mediums/seers/baby ww/etc suiciding and leaving their respective teams disadvantaged
for first night when someone suicides don't reveal their role until the next day, after spectators have had a chance to fill the role
suicided roles should not be revealed immediately
quaint bramble
@thick bolt This type of system has been suggested a few times before, including by myself. A few common complaints were that it can still be abused by friends playing together, or that differnt game modes should have different values, or that most people are already gone after the end of the game. What are your views on these arguments?
Would your idea include any sort of privilege or reward for high honor? If yes, I am going to say no right now, because that would put too mch bias in the system
woven gulch
absolutely not.. it should be random
two spectators and someone suicides ... it is essentially a coin flip to determine who gets to play
the exception would be like if a seer or medium suicides and no spectator replacement, in that case you promote the worst villager
or if a baby ww suicides ... make the regular ww the new baby
quaint bramble
@vivid blaze I think this is a solid idea, but it might lead to more gamethrowing from wolves, since they are forced to sit out the game if they wanna avoid the suicide ban. Perhaps doubling the suicide timer for wws would be an effective compromise?
woven gulch
suiciding should still be considered just as bad
this is only to improve the game for the ones who actually play
quaint bramble
He has a valid point though, if 1 wolf suicides youre losing a quarter of your team, its much more impactful than a game without doc or med for example. And if its ww seer, youve pretty much lost already... And some players tend to just quit right after the first ww, half your team gone 🤔
woven gulch
ja
quaint bramble
This game is called werewolf online, if you dont wanna play as ww, then dont play
woven gulch
I love when I am ww
quaint bramble
And about your idea, the spectator function is there for people who want to watch,, why would they suddenly choose to join the game? And would they be able to see the role they would fill in for? Cause that could easily manipulated Imo...
woven gulch
after choosing to spectate you are allowed to choose a square if it is still available to join the game again, there could be another region to click on for backup players
and the penalties for suiciding or whatever else after coming into the game as a backup could be more severe
or when someone suicides you could get a prompt asking if you want to fill-in
but ... if you fill-in you have to stay
so any suicides before the first day has started don't reveal a role ... only after the day has started if no one taken the spot ...
quaint bramble
Well I definately disagree on the role shuffle part, people shouldnt upgrade to better roles and not all roles can properly be rated and ranked out like that anyway.
Im not sure about letting spectators join, since it would require some technical tweaking to make the remaining players and the spectator not know which role has quit. But I wanna post it and see how ts received if you could sum it up into a nice compact message here?
woven gulch
yes
I will try
In the first night, before the game truly begins, sometimes players will suicide and quit. Especially now, that spectators has officially become a thing, there are people available who could potentially fill those roles. Rather than allow a role critical for a team's success abandon their team, wouldn't it be great if someone else could step in and take the role of doctor, seer, medium, or baby ww? What would be required is that roles of suicided players not be revealed to all until the day begins, perhaps that even a player has suicided shouldn't be yet revealed ... another issue is if a seer has checked the player who suicided, which if someone else takes the same role in the same spot is not a big deal .... a final issue would be player-name, as that would surely change and then others may wonder why the previous player didn't want to play that role ... for this last case when someone suicides I have found it not really deterministic whether they were ww, fool, good, or what-not ... so perhaps just let random probability straighten itself out
quaint bramble
hm the last part only made it more vague imo >.>
woven gulch
the role-promotion idea I had with suicides before anyone could spectate ... if I was just a regular ww and the baby ww suicided ... why should I not be promoted to baby? So the ww team is disadvantaged, don't take away the good roles too
it works the same with villagers, it is just more pronounced with ww team because it is smaller
quaint bramble
and if seer checks someone who suicides, and it doesnt get filled up, then he also doesnt get the check back
Imo that shouldnt change.. even with this idea, if the suicided does get replaced, the seers info is correct (except te name would show differnt on the next morning)
woven gulch
I am a programmer and just quickly wrote that, I am not a salesman :)
yes if a seer checks a square they have that info... it will be correct regardless of the name, so I guess no re-checks
quaint bramble
I'll reword it a bit here and there and post it
woven gulch
thank you, I think it is a really good idea
role-promotion would make it more tricky, if you did without that this change would be straight-forward. The issue with roll-promotion is if a seer checks 7 and they were baby ww ... then baby ww suicides, now 15 who was regular ww is baby ...
that's where the idea for a re-check came in
or if a seer checks a reg ww and the baby ww suicides ... do they know if the reg ww is now baby?
also important... penalty for suicide/etc when assuming someone else's role should increase!!!
players electing to take on an abandoned role have to make a committment to it and should be held to higher standards
A way to completely hide all of this from all of the players would be to not show a player list until the first day
quaint bramble
I;ll add a bit about that
light edge
so if I try to save a game. and I fill up the empty spot. I am always solo/ ww. doesnt sound all that much fun. if I am suddenly In a game. and i am confirmed bad
🤦♂️
quaint bramble
doc/bh are also common suiciders
idk where you draw the conclusion it would only apply to solos and wws
deft needle
Hi there C:
I have a suggestion for friends chat: Can you make it load from most to least recent (the opposite of what you're doing rn). It would make talking with friends a lot easier. Thanks <3
I don't check discord much, just wanted to get this idea out there! Love the game btw
fierce shale
I would really love it to have a setting to hide my skin in game from everyone except people on my friends list and replace it with the default skin...
Skin focusing is destroying this game and I'm not sure how much more I can take of it...
It's bad enough that my name in game is DAD
Please ping me with a response , thanks
runic dragon
@fierce shale i mean i’m not a helper i’m not sure if this helps much, but if you just set one of your skins as the default skin and use it in game it’s an ez fix
quaint bramble
if this is about sb, i recommend be ready to quit as soon as you see majority newbie skins
it's usually about 50/50 from my experience, which is the ideal situation to not be targetted
light edge
🤦♂️
quaint bramble
Or if people are verbally making it clear they are targetting you for looking black/gay/furry for example, you can report them for hate speech/targetting
fierce shale
I have been coupled more games then I can count and both hands and feet today alone
quaint bramble
Maybe one day cupid will be out of sb again :/ You could try ranked if you really hate lovers so much?
fierce shale
I've been playing quick game hahaha
quaint bramble
or yell 'couple me' maybe it deters people with reverse psychology? 👀
runic dragon
quick game no cupid...
runic dragon
@quaint bramble potatoes in sb aren’t pro enough for reverse psychology
quaint bramble
I wouldnt couple people who say that, surprisingly enough they are usually the default looking peeps
runic dragon
you wouldn’t because you have a higher IQ than most sb players ^^
you’re expecting too much from sb and qg
fierce shale
I honestly cant remember who asked to be coupled when I'm cupid xD
Ranked is too toxic though and it makes me angry too quickly
runic dragon
if you don’t want to get coupled then easy, go to quick game ^^
runic dragon
if your skin is getting you targeted switch to a default skin🤦🏼♀️
quaint bramble
anyway, tldr im not in favour of hiding skins or removing cupid, so lets move over to a diff channel
fierce shale
That's the whole point of buying them
runic dragon
then deal with the targeting...
the only game mode w no skin targeting is ranked
most of the time
so just deal with it, there’s nothing you can do w targeting
fierce shale
But even if you arent in favour of it there are alot of us who would like it
The cupid part was a joke
Kek wow
vivid blaze
@quaint bramble they won't because if they care about a short ban which is just 10 mins, obviously they wouldn't gamethrow coz it'll be an even longer ban then.
quaint bramble
Targetting and potential solutions for it, are a recurring theme for it, and hiding avatars is just not gonna fix it, and there is a lot of people against it too cause they buy stuff to show it off
@vivid blaze That sounds true enough yeah. Alright that was my only concern, I'll give it a post. ANy extra reasonng you;d like to add? else I'll just go with your first post once I find it
Hm actually, should this be extended to the solo roles as well, or only wws?
vivid blaze
I don't think there's much to add. It's too obvious and justified for an effective solution. If anyone does have little doubts they just need to think a little carefully and they'll find the answer and how much sense this brings
Tbh it should only be ww, coz when u suicide as a solo, you're aren't ruining the game for anybody as you aren't the part of any team
runic dragon
@vivid blaze no. Ww and solo are teams in terms of early game. Ww would be affected a lot if any solo suicides
vivid blaze
Not really @runic dragon although I do get your point and I thought about it too.
Arso for example can burn the ww as well
runic dragon
Yes but arso definitely can burn a lot more vil than ww
vivid blaze
Its arguable, but to an extent, solo suicides don't really harm other teams
runic dragon
to an extent
vivid blaze
Well he 'can' burn ww as well....
Possibilites and arguments are endless so there's no point in dragging it out
quaint bramble
Tbh I think the suggestion will hav more chances for upvotes if it doesnt get too restrictive
Not that the devs truly look at the vote ratio but ideally you want to show proof of concept first
vivid blaze
It's just my opinion, I wouldn't really mind if they put solo suicide instant ban.
The only reason I don't really agree about putting solo roles as realistically you aren't letting anyone down
runic dragon
...
vivid blaze
And there are times when players, I too, really dont wanna play as solo killer so...
@runic dragon if you have a suggestion plz make one yourself. I see more downsides than upsides to your idea so I won't add it to my suggestion
vivid blaze
What is your point. Tell me. If I haven't understood it
runic dragon
All solos and werewolves are a team in a sense and if werewolves suicide gets them an insta ban, i don’t see why solos shouldn’t
vivid blaze
I say again mate. Suiciding as solo, you aren't letting anyone down...
And in fact, you're just benefitting the other teams to an extent
For example it hh suicides, it has no downsides but upsides. As nobody would lose to hh then
runic dragon
i’m going to explain this
because if a solo suicides there’s less village kill. okay arso does burn werewolves. but they generally kill more villagers than werewolves and wws need their kill to win in a sense
hh can help to create confusion. please don’t jump to false conclusions just because you see “village hhs” that claim target d1.
vivid blaze
@runic dragon I totally get your point but it's too subjective
silver ruin
Feedback for games
Actually, is there any way for people to actually ban roles to exist for one game? I mean, imagine everyone would vote for a role to ban. of course there would be limitation for this, but something can be like this
1 type of wolves can be banned in the list of wolves, and 2 type of villager(1 rvs, and 1 rv can be chosen). Villager can decide which wolves they can ban in the day, while wolves can decide which 2 type of villager they would ban in the night
It would heavily impact the game a lot, maybe if you banned seer, a detective would be replacing it. Maybe if nightmare wolf were banned, any replacement for nightmare wolf will be chosen. It would be a lot for planning and better for random gameplay, which can help wolves slightly due to the fact a killer (like gunner) had been banned, leading to a weaker villager killer replacing it, and helping wolves
(of course this will have the limitation of, any role that are currently not replaceable(like med and solo role(because solo role is not chosen randomly)) cant really be banned, but thats not really the concept of the role itself)
-This day 0 , and night 0, nobody can talk nor use their ability, nor have a voting phase. just purely banning phase(maybe wolves can chat to discuss strategy but just a maybe)
-Whoever got those role , will be swap with an alternative role that it replaces(nightmare wolf replaces shaman, so shaman would be given to the nightmare wolf owner instead of their usual role)
It can, in theory, allow more planning for wolves, but reduce villager power indirectly because of the weaker role replacing stronger role
(of course, to some extend, you may argue that some role should not be possible be banned, in that case, put those role in the no ban list(cant be banned, you can choose other role to ban instead of it))
Numbers is only numbers, you can change it to anything you want
runic dragon
if solo can’t affect ww gameplay the “solo” category wouldn’t be added in the first place
vivid blaze
We aren't playing with probabilities here. I know that arso burns villagers more, but at the same time he sometimes burn only ww as well
And this luck doesn't work everytime
runic dragon
you aren’t playing with probability but you’re giving an extremely unlikely case
vivid blaze
Well in the beginning itself I wrote that this punishment should be for the ww atleast
modest pebble
Sell loyalty tokens for 1000 coins each
runic dragon
🤦🏼♀️
vivid blaze
I don't disagree with you completely, but I just feel you're being too confident on your idea
And don't really have proofs to support it
runic dragon
...
get to 5k ranked and see my proof
vivid blaze
And @runic dragon please, don't think we're stupid by replying with facepalms or dots... this is a discussion and will have agreements and disagreements.
runic dragon
i send dots doesn’t mean i think you’re stupid
ok i’m going to stop this convo because you aren’t going to understand my points any time soon. good day.
vivid blaze
I do get your point, I've been saying it all along
You just don't want to believe it coz I don't agree, well upto you
If you still think you've not clarified yourself feel free to write more. Just mention my username though so I can see it.
quaint bramble
I'm a beginner in understanding ranked, but in gold league the solos generally aim for killing confirmed (good) roles
Since it leaves more claim space for them
So its a little more than just speculation, that solos kill more villagers than ww's when played 'right'
But I do stand on your side, it's your feedback and your choice wether to have it added there or not
vivid blaze
And @runic dragon when you say that ww and solo are sorta in the same team it kinda makes no sense. They don't benefit or team with each other in any way. They're both completely different teams for a reason
runic dragon
@vivid blaze can you please stop spam pinging me? I’ve given my opinion, and I do not wish to continue the argument. Even if you think my points are invalid doesn’t give you a reason to keep spamming me ^^
vivid blaze
Whenever arso burns, it might burn more villagers yes but it surely burns atleast one ww also, the point I've been trying to tell u is that the ratio of effect for both teams stays the same that's why it makes no sense. Ww are less in number and village is greater. Losing 3 villagers affects village by the same amount as the ww losing 1 ww, that's my point.
Its the ratio of numbers. I hope u understand
And alright dude, I literally only pinged you once since u spoke last so I kinda doubt if its anywhere close to 'spamming'
runic dragon
I already said I want to end this argument. Please just stop
quaint bramble
I see you two are peacefully agreeing to disagree, I think this should be the final words, thanks for the interesting exchange 👍
opaque pollen
Yep, it's veering out of constructive 👍 Thank-you for the discussion however
vivid blaze
The argument ended long ago, and I was just writing points that you can refer to later to clarify your doubts.
And I have a soft advice if your arguments don't make sense plz stop trying to control people or expect others don't have rights to say anything just bcoz they disagree with you. This is a feedback channel and people will have variety of suggestions and points.
I gave u total freedom to say all your points. Don't expect you can tell people to stop when you want to coz its indirectly rude.
Anyways I can perfectly imagine what you're trying to do and there's no point of entertaining this any further. I gtg anyways. Cheers 👋
fierce shale
Yeah I'd like it too
fierce shale
You gotta scroll for a long time , I saw it here and it got denied
fierce shale
I really like this idea though
sleek cedar
NERF CANNIBAL
opaque pollen
@sleek cedar Hello! Do you have any suggestions on how to go about that? Like any ideas for mechanic changes?
fierce shale
I do @opaque pollen
Make cannibal wait two days for building hunger
I.E.
night 1 - kill one player or build hunger
Night 2 - kill one player / build
Night 3 - kill 2 players / build
normal wyvern
In the late game it shouldn't be possible to save your hunger up to 5
fierce shale
What do you mean @normal wyvern
normal wyvern
As cannibal you can save your hunger up to 5. In the late game when they're only 6-8 ppl it is incredible unfair
fierce shale
Oh yeah of course
That's why it should take 2 nights in order to stack another kill
normal wyvern
yeaa
fierce shale
N1 , 1 kill
N3, 2 kill
N5, 3
Etc
normal wyvern
normal wyvern
yep
cedar hinge
Canni needs starvation
pallid merlin
Well that's quite a new idea, it's an interesting nerf 🤔
I'll add it to #feedback-devs, thanks for suggesting 
@fierce shale
runic dragon
i need a refund pls i dont want this... i wasted my money on this outfits! cmon i tried three times and all i get is 3-5 items per outfits?!
#REFUND OR i suggest giving me other outfit than the one i recieved cuz i felt robbed
pallid merlin
While there is some skins that are more appreciated, random is random. I understand your feeling and I am sorry if you felt that way, but that's the way it works
runic dragon
tsk THE SKIN I RECIEVED IS ALL JUNK IN RANDOM!
I UNDERSTAND IF I GOT IT ONCE BUT IMAGINE 3 TIMES
all junk 3 times in a row!
I FELT ROB
so REFUND or Give me another skin...
I wont buy skins again if this is what i get!
@pallid merlin
pallid merlin
Again, random is random. That means neither you, me, the devs or anyone here has control over it. I understand your frustration, but it's part of the risk 😅
runic dragon
@pallid merlin No you intentionally gave me junk!
pallid merlin
That's an accusation 🤔
runic dragon
@pallid merlin i understand random is random but imagine getting a bad outfit for 3x
@pallid merlin I wasted money for this?
cmon
@pallid merlin im feeling frustrated... I wanted to make my avatar good but all i got is rejected old outfits.
Should i not waste my precious money on your game? I mean getting good outfit is 0.01 percent
and getting bad outfit is 99.9 percent
pallid merlin
By putting money to get a random outfit instead of (for example) a special offer, it means you accepted the risk 😅
runic dragon
@pallid merlin i did go on risk but getting for 3x is fraustrating
ATLEAST TAKE THAT ONE JUNK OUTFIT OUT MY INVENTORY AND CHANGE IT PLS
the fire fighter one is very ROBBING
pallid merlin
I never said it wasn't frustrating, I fully understand that you are dissatisfied
runic dragon
not worth my money on the fire fighter one
pallid merlin
It still doesn't mean I can remove/refund skins
runic dragon
@pallid merlin THE FREE ITEMS IS BETTER THAN FIRE FIGHTER OUTFIT
its truly not worth it
CMON!
ARE YOU GONNA TREAT UR CUSTOMERS LIKE THIS
imagine ur small community and one player is important
runic dragon
@pallid merlin but THAT FIRE FIGHTER ONE IS TRULY A DISSATISFACTION
@pallid merlin its small compare to virtual games
pallid merlin
I got that, there is no need to continue using caps like that
pallid merlin
That is not in my power
pallid merlin
We treat everyone equally - that means you bought a random skin, you got a random one.
runic dragon
@pallid merlin FOCK
pallid merlin
No need to get rude
pallid merlin
Outrageous that you got what you bought?
runic dragon
@pallid merlin I CANT ACCEPT IT!
pallid merlin
I mean...
runic dragon
@pallid merlin I WASTED MONEY
@pallid merlin SHOULD I STOP PLAYING THIS GAME?
ur choice
pallid merlin
I'd like you to stop writing in caps
runic dragon
REMOVE THAT OUTFIT IN RANDOM CUZ ITLL MAKE PLAYERS GO MAD
@pallid merlin You act like u dont care
@pallid merlin dont u know how i feel rob right now?
pallid merlin
*you get the feeling that I don't care
runic dragon
i can buy snacks for that money in my country... I feel more statisfied with that than this junk i recieved
pallid merlin
You can do a lot of things with money, your choices are your responsibilities
runic dragon
@pallid merlin feedback in google play... should i do that? i got 25 google accounts plus 8 inclusing my siblings
pallid merlin
That is threats.
runic dragon
Yes
pallid merlin
You are aware that threats are not quite tolerated here (which is mostly common sense in my opinion)?
runic dragon
@pallid merlin ur not listening to ur customer
pallid merlin
Again, another accusation
runic dragon
@pallid merlin and ur customer is priority
pallid merlin
When did I say it wasn't?
runic dragon
@pallid merlin i said change the junk i recieved cuz it robbed me and i just bought a fire fighter outfit for that money?
@pallid merlin and ur just sitting there laughing at the random outfit i got
pallid merlin
-Changing what you got is not fair towards other customers
-That is, again, another assumption you are making.
runic dragon
IMAGINE SPENDING MONEY ON 3 ITEMS THAT IS NOT EVEN NEAR THE WORTH OF I JUST SOENT
@pallid merlin really u sure about that?
pallid merlin
Sure of what?
runic dragon
@pallid merlin sure about unfair towards other customers
my friends are saying it was too not worth it and refund is option...
@pallid merlin how is that unfair towards other customers. i mean its not their money that they just spent
pallid merlin
If someone gets a refund, everyone can ask for one. That is the basics of fairness
Also, keep in mind the one who made the avatar put time into it
runic dragon
@pallid merlin They can so what about that? not every body ask for refund
@pallid merlin that avatar has 3 items
it was effortless
pallid merlin
That's rude.
runic dragon
yea and its true
pallid merlin
We told no to previous customers. Therefore if we're willing to be fair, we have to say no to other customers
runic dragon
OMG IM MESSAGING PHILIP
atleast he cares
Im sure philipp is kind enough than this cold hearted mods.
pallid merlin
Another assumption. This drama, threats and accusations have been going for long enough. We can either continue in dms, or in #jailcell-archived-3
Oh
Well then
This will be your last verbal warning
runic dragon
whats the point of feedback🙄
pallid merlin
To give suggestions for the game, while staying respectful.
chrome thunder
I was just reading the public guardian guidelines and I saw the part of usernames, why don't you ban words from those names so that will be less common?