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gentle hemlock
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My tutorial isnt like this does my game have a problem

cold cypress
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Maybe you need the latest version

gentle hemlock
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I updated the game to the latest version and it still doesnt show that tutorial

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My tutorial still looks like that

full falcon
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Maybe we should add titles to the game too

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Like maybe achievements give you titles that you can choose from and put under your name in-game

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Like: "Village Hero" for winning 100 times with village

dreamy lion
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@full falcon That sounds really cool, titles as rewards for completing your achievements, I don't honestly don't think they can be added under your in-game name (in an actual match), what about choosing which one you want to display on your profile?

full falcon
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@dreamy lion that would be awesome too, but being able to display a title under your main in-game name is much faster for other players to see, it can also give an idea about how skilled you are or what achievements you accomplished in a single glance, it also provides something to look at to pass the night if one doesn't have other things to do ^

dreamy lion
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@full falcon That would be a lot of work to actually add them to the in-game name, if I remember correctly something like this has been suggested before (I mean adding extras on your in-game name) and got rejected, that's why I asked about only displaying it on your profile ^^

gentle hemlock
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Anyone here can answer me how I can find that tutorial?

dreamy lion
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@gentle hemlock The new tutorial is still in a testing phase, so someone might actually have it, someone else not, I don't have it aswell

gentle hemlock
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Ah ic

dreamy lion
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We can just wait until it will be definitively added ^^

gentle hemlock
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I saw many posts about the new tutorial. I thought it was hidden like the vote sign, quiz and matching game

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Lol

dreamy lion
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Those are ester eggs, but tutorial isn't really one, you can easily find it

gentle hemlock
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The new tutorial looks interesting :p

full falcon
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@dreamy lion I see, well maybe not "add" the titles themselves but use the title image to work around the problem? Idk but being able to add titles to your profile is a first step

vivid blaze
dreamy lion
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@full falcon I'd say, let's add only displaying on profile to #feedback-devs for now, I personally like it, but it has to be approved

vivid blaze
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What is this nonsense? All ww were dead after an explosion but I still got killed by ww

full falcon
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@dreamy lion sure, sounds awesome!

runic dragon
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It would be so many ranked but by clan (basically one representative per clan will face)

full falcon
vivid blaze
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@quaint bramble What about the no protection first night I suggested? Did you post it to feedback-devs?

balmy ibex
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Dev. Why you hidden people stat? Its not important. The important think is go up the minimum required for match in rank.its very annoying omg

quaint bramble
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@iron girder The problem with suicides is, that none of the staff could reduce that number for you. It seems that's what you want, but it;s not possible. I don;t know if even the devs can change it...
And if you let players appeal to get rid of those 10 mins, well most of the time there wont be guardian who wants to drop all their work and look at that within 10 mins. Or they would go with sob stories and lame excuses.

charred kiln
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Well my suggestion with that one of @craggy dagger, make sometimes berserk and sometimes jww in ranked like fool and hh and arso and sk. This also variates ranked

full falcon
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Since Halloween is coming up and the next battle pass will be centered around it, I think we should add a new feature to the game, Themes! Specifically music themes. Let's say that we add a Halloween music theme (and backgrounds, like Christmas, lovely one, it gave the whole game a wholesome Christmas feel to it you know, although the background image/portrait isn't my idea and has probably already been suggested or worked on). The Halloween music theme is played for all players during the time of the battle pass (or during the Halloween event) but it can be won through the battle pass and thus players can choose between it and the default game music theme even after Halloween ends.
So I'm suggesting to add obtainable soundtracks basically, it would help customize your game and make it feel more like home
Correction : apparently the next BP will be a post apocalyptic world, so just replace each Halloween word I said by post apocalyptic

quaint bramble
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@vivid blaze I am pretty sure I did not agree on that suggestion 🤔

vivid blaze
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@quaint bramble You did. You said you'll post it. Please stop ignoring me and all the others who suggested it. We had a long in depth suggestion and you said it sounds good. Don't let all that discussion go to waste

full falcon
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My idea is so big everyone is ignoring it

quaint bramble
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That was a reply to Jin below yours. not part of y ping to you. I said I wanted to hear some discussion on the topic, and I remember only 1 person talking about this.

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@full falcon it's been 10 minutes that is not ignoring :/ The people I replied to, were here first...
You could talk about music ideas in #sound-ideas or directly with Crush who makes most of the ingame music.
It's not up to us or the devs to decide if we add more, it depends on it someone actually wants to make it.

full falcon
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Uncopy righted music from YouTube?

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inserts smiley face here

quaint bramble
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That wouldnt really fit the game probably, and again, thats a topic for #sound-ideas

full falcon
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Alright

quaint bramble
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If you can find something nice, post it there. Crush manages that channel and he knows a lot more about the games music than I do

unkempt junco
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untranslated

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Can you pls tell the translator?

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I think we should increase the winning xp of sect member from 80 to 105 like zom

warm helm
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@unkempt junco heya! Thats a newly added line to our translations and will be ingame with the next update! Please be patient till that gets added. Also, from where the 25 extra xp for sect?

unkempt junco
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I think sect should be similar to zom

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And I don't understand your question ^^

warm helm
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I mean, why would it be a good idea to add 25 extra xp for sect wins?

unkempt junco
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because winning as sect is more difficult tham zom

charred kiln
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Well my suggestion with that one of @craggy dagger, make sometimes berserk and sometimes jww in ranked like fool and hh and arso and sk. This also variates ranked. When its not gonna be ignored?

quaint bramble
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@vivid blaze I have reread our conversations on your feedback, and I do think you mistaken my reply to someone else, as a promise to post it. I only asked for more opinions from other people on yours.
But there has been a few and it can be more easily discussed further if I do post it, so I am going to do that now.

heady raptor
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You should make players below the required level for sandbox unable to play with friends since they can easily access sandbox mode via that game mode.

steady lichen
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the game being not strategic enough. Not enough bluffing and mindgames. Now its just seer checks someone and everyone votes that's it. it is mainly the seer that makes the game not strategic. Because the role can literally check if someone is good. The game should be about bluffing, talking your way out of suspicions and overall mind games and psychological thinking. Once a werewolf gets checked, there is literally no way of talking your way out of it. So it comes down to luck, which i really hate

unkempt junco
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Hey, pls add a notification when you have finished the clan quest (between games like having a chest, finishing a tier, etc)

runic dragon
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@steady lichen I spoke to them about this already they aren't interested in expanding the game

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The game has phenomenal potential that won't be reached at this pace. Both the Devs and the Community lack key qualities we need for a successful game.

steady lichen
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wdym by expanding?

pallid merlin
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I agree with your feedback, but the main problem is, how would you do it? 🤔

steady lichen
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i just wanna have a more strategic more complex game

unkempt junco
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can you give more example?

pallid merlin
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@unkempt junco Tbh I don't really see the point of having a notification once it's over 😅
Thanks for suggesting tough GWpinkuShyNya

unkempt junco
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Hey

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I see that

radiant zodiac
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I mean if they really want seers at least make it a few protectors/1 jailer/1 gunner/1 det that way it's a bit easier to claim protections than to actually have aura constantly be the one who checks ww and have priority

unkempt junco
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I often stop playing when the quest is done

steady lichen
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if @runic dragon is right then that really sucks

unkempt junco
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but everytime returning to see is a waste of time and losing xp streak

steady lichen
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especially if the devs are really like that

radiant zodiac
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Seers/auras should be a rare rv tbh since they're already so op

pallid merlin
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@unkempt junco oki, I didn't realize that, thanks for explaining further ^^ I'll post it

quaint bramble
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@steady lichen The seer is not an op role on itself, but in some combinations like quickgame 1 seer + 2 aurs is a lot.
The lack of deceit and chaos isnt to blame on a role, it's to blame on the people who play the werewolves/ solo roles Imo

unkempt junco
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It may work

vernal dune
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@heady raptor good idea, thanks for the suggestion! I will add it to #feedback-devs GWjiangPepeThumb

steady lichen
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people here criticizing feedback lmao

unkempt junco
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not criticizing

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it is good if only you can have some suggestions to the game

steady lichen
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that is not what feedback means

quaint bramble
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that's called a discussion 🤔 As long as it's polite and argumented, we encourage discussions here.

unkempt junco
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Ok I argee feedback here means suggestion ^^

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But your fb is good

runic dragon
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@steady lichen Look at how long we've been waiting for them to nerf zombie. At least 6 months

unkempt junco
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It would be better if you have any suggestions

steady lichen
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i dont have ideas, i just give my opinion and feedback, which should be more than enough

unkempt junco
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Ok

runic dragon
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All they've been doing is polishing the app and not the game itself

steady lichen
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lol

runic dragon
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We enjoy the thought of more roles but we need more than more roles

steady lichen
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they nerfed zombies?

runic dragon
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no

quaint bramble
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When we post something to feedback-devs, it's a very one-sided view, someone else might disagree that it;s good for the game, so discussions help us find a balance of what most people would agree on

runic dragon
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at this point I dont think they will.

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we've been waiting for over 6 months. SANDBOX IS A LIBERATERAL MESS AND IT HAS BEEN FILLED WITH GAMETHROWERS FOR AT LEAST HALF A YEAR

unkempt junco
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I think that at the point of him, ww should seperate feedback and suggestion

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SInce feedback is the mostly about opinion about the game

runic dragon
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The community only cares about their win rate and their exp in all honesty

normal wyvern
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If you buy a skin or have received it as a gift, it will not be visible again later
a) whether you bought it/received it as a gift
b) from whom you got this skin

It should be possible to understand this later, for example if you want to give something back to the person later to find out who it was. I've now thought about that you might be able to look it up in the shop. As with the quests, you now click on a skin and then a small tab appears, which shows you whether you have this skin or not. If you own this skin, you can see if you bought it yourself or who gave it to you.

steady lichen
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@runic dragon agreed

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon you can shout about it, we do all we can to bring it to the devs attention, and it's out of our hands. Devs decide to change them or not, adnd so far, they dont...

unkempt junco
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Ok I would think we should add level required for sandbox

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since sandbox is a kind of testing

steady lichen
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i hope@runic dragon wont get kicked for his/her heavy critique

runic dragon
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@quaint bramble that's the problem

unkempt junco
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and newbie won't understand what is going on

runic dragon
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we need the devs to do something

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I know they have their lives

quaint bramble
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I know it is, I also think zombies need changing, but we dont make that decision.

runic dragon
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but waiting 6 months for a simple nerf is inexcusable

unkempt junco
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if you need, you can DM to them to express your opinion

normal wyvern
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ahh my feedback will get flooded GWgoaSadness

unkempt junco
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I know, my sect fb has already been flooded

steady lichen
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so at this point everyone here has critique about how the devs arent doing anything?

runic dragon
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Okay I'll dm them I suppose

unkempt junco
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Hope you luck ^^

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This shall be hard tho

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Ok a dev is online now ^^

quaint bramble
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@normal wyvern Instead of adding more text bars, which would make the random outfit shop super long, maybe it looks better if the green tick mark is changed to a little present icon or something? And then if you tap that, it shows who gifted you that?

pallid merlin
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@steady lichen btw everyone is free to give their opinions, why would we punish someone for disliking a feature GWczoLoliShrug

steady lichen
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@kind nexus the game being not strategic enough. Not enough bluffing and mindgames. Now its just seer checks someone and everyone votes that's it. it is mainly the seer that makes the game not strategic. Because the role can literally check if someone is good. The game should be about bluffing, talking your way out of suspicions and overall mind games and psychological thinking. Once a werewolf gets checked, there is literally no way of talking your way out of it. So it comes down to luck, which i really hate

unkempt junco
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This is more about your skill

normal wyvern
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@quaint bramble and when you click on it you will see the message you.received when you.got this gift? Would this work?

pallid merlin
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It's missing a concrete suggestion @steady lichen ^^

unkempt junco
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Can I ask you @steady lichen, which level are you in?

steady lichen
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@pallid merlin I have had servers where the mods couldnt handle the critique and so

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idk just to be sure

pallid merlin
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There is a difference between a calm discussion about a feature, and being rude + creating drama GWczoLoliShrug

steady lichen
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they said it was "hate speech"

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hahaa

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omg

pallid merlin
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🤷 can't say without knowing

steady lichen
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well it was just a headsup

quaint bramble
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He's not rude, but I do agree we like concrete suggestions here. Just saying 'doesnt work' is not that helpful for change.

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Roughly translated, you are saying 'i dont like it, idc how you fix it not my problem' but it IS your problem cause you're the one disliking something, that they worked hard on.

unkempt junco
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The point is when you play the game, you should find a suitable way to play, not by just simply wait for info and done

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a

steady lichen
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nah i was talking about @runic dragon , he or she was quite heavy on the comments, but i do agree with him or her

normal wyvern
steady lichen
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feedback should be more than enough imo

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how am i supposed to know how to fix it? I dont work at wwo and am not a mastermind

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or if there is technical bug, i dont know anything about programming so how am i supposed to come up with suggestions?

unkempt junco
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EX: If you are ww, you should often fake seer, aura or something to increase your skill in ww, if you are checked you should to defend your self, not just accepting to die

quaint bramble
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This has nothing to do with bugs. And we are just nicely asking if you have any concrete ideas that would encourage people to play better

steady lichen
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if feedback isnt enough for you then just dont reply on it

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i dont sorry

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this was just my opinion

unkempt junco
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uhmm we are just giving fb on your fb

steady lichen
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hahaha

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lol

unkempt junco
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And I realise when I were discuss with you, I were playing WWO too as a gunner and I almost reported because of afk ^^

pallid merlin
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What maje is saying, is that the purpose of this channel is to add the new, or very wanted ideas in #feedback-devs, so if those are just "I don't like x", nothing will be done, as we need a fix solution, or a new idea (I mean, devs know people dislike stuff, but what a community can come up with, is more than what 2 people can do)

quaint bramble
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Yeah we try to not ignore anyone cause that would just trigger people as well. We disucss and reason about a topic, to let someone knowwhy we wont post it the other channel.

unkempt junco
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Ok my suggestion is flooded

normal wyvern
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should I post my answer again?

unkempt junco
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yes

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me too

quaint bramble
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No I saw it Duden, dont worry <3

steady lichen
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do you guys also dislike my the stuff i was saying about the game?

unkempt junco
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what about me :((

radiant zodiac
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problem is, when its ww/hh game, ww is more likely to fake hh than aura so they're less likely to be checked by det. And most hh will likely say they are hh and state thier actual targets than to respect thier mission @unkempt junco

unkempt junco
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yes that is the point

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it is just an example

pine sluice
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About the thing in #feedback-devs

  1. Mostly i am conserned that bg/doc would suicide even more likely if they cant protect anyone

  2. Sk and ww ig would be bad if they both kill and there is 0% someone get protected

  3. Harder for ww when they attack tg, because mostly they claim rv fast enough and there is no chance later that ww get trust from vill not real tg

unkempt junco
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and I think that the game will be more strategic if you use logic more oftenly

quaint bramble
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@steady lichen Nope, your opinion is respected and fair. All we are saying is, we cant post it over to the devs-channel since there is no concrete idea.

normal wyvern
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just curious

steady lichen
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look at my edited message

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that is not what i meant haha

unkempt junco
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Should I repost :((

steady lichen
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and btw in other games much bigger then wwo the players normally dont come up with an idea. They just give feedback and the devs will come up with a solution. I find it very weird that I as a player should come up with ideas for their problems of their games.

unkempt junco
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  1. Increase sect xp winning
  2. higher the level of playing sandbox
  3. Seperate feedback to suggestion and real feedback (only your opinion about the game)
radiant zodiac
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@unkempt junco also a problem with hh is if your target is det/aura your mission is likely to fail

steady lichen
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how does the info role in town of salem get info?

radiant zodiac
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They check and get a group of roles

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Rather than just a single role

unkempt junco
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Uhmm, truth

steady lichen
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because with wwo seer you just press a player and hope to get lucky. No skill, no thought, just by pressing a player

unkempt junco
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haha

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pressing is also skill if u know

steady lichen
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hahahaa

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you're funny man

unkempt junco
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really, dont concentrate on beatiful skin, they are mostly protected

quaint bramble
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@unkempt junco

  1. Sect xp should not increase cause it will make them just as broken as zombies aare.
  2. Level increasements are suggested before
  3. I dont think that will clear things up, since people would just post it in the wrong place half of the time, and opinions will mean more angry rants than I am willing to deal with, personally
radiant zodiac
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Skill in wwo is convincing town that your fool but ww catches on and calls themselves fool to help fool get pushed by killing the good killing roles while ww also claim fool to throw town off

quaint bramble
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@steady lichen If you wanna talk about Town of Salem, please do so in #off-topic
keep this open for clear, solid ideas and discussions about them

unkempt junco
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opinion shouldnt be dealed with, it is their thought

steady lichen
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i was just wondering, cuz i heard that game is pretty strategic and stuff

quaint bramble
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Yeah but this isnt the place for it

pallid merlin
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The whole idea of having the community come up with a suggestion, is as the community has much more creativity than 2 people, who are already pretty busy fixing bugs and taking care of the rest

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So yeah, the bigger games probably have more devs

unkempt junco
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other server can do that

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so I think we can too

pallid merlin
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That's unbelievaboat?

unkempt junco
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yep

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haha

steady lichen
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maybe seer should have like: one of these 5 players is ww. So it creates more talking and more convince based winning

unkempt junco
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an example of their felling and thought with no defence

quaint bramble
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yeah thats just a wall of compliments by the looks of it

unkempt junco
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yep

pallid merlin
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I agree this is a good way of showing customer service, but well I'd personally doubt the realness of it

unkempt junco
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I will be cool to read it (as a dev)

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XD

steady lichen
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those 5 people will be battling it out through convincing and arguments, bluffing and mind games.

pallid merlin
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Cause it's easy to delete bad opinions

unkempt junco
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We should have bad too

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Reflect leads to improvement

pallid merlin
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The problem is that whenever I see that sort of stuff, I don't trust it
Personal reason I guess

unkempt junco
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@steady lichen This is kinda like outside game ^^

steady lichen
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????

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what outside game?

unkempt junco
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Just to make the devs happier when see this @pallid merlin

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Real game out life

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This is just a quick game

pine sluice
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You pinged person on idle

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You monster

unkempt junco
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XD sorry

pallid merlin
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Smh I always forget to remove it 👀

unkempt junco
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I wonder if today is @pallid merlin 's birthday.

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I have seen the countdown

pallid merlin
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I'm on the discord for a year 🍰

unkempt junco
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oh

pine sluice
unkempt junco
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on the discord or on the WWO discord?

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ok ok

pallid merlin
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Wwo discord ^^

unkempt junco
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  1. Sect xp should not increase cause it will make them just as broken as zombies aare.
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I think this is wrong

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Cuz I think zomb broken because of its easy game

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And sect need more skill than zomb

pallid merlin
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I posted a feedback about increasing sect_leader and decreasing zombie xp some time ago

unkempt junco
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But...

unkempt junco
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a lot of likes

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but no work :((

quaint bramble
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Emanuel gave it a dislike

pallid merlin
pine sluice
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Thank god

normal wyvern
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@quaint bramble thank you happycat

unkempt junco
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It is time to face the truth: Even if zombie is Phillip and Emanuel's favourite role, the zombies are too hard for zombie and too unbalanced in game (lead to team up with villager) but the sect leader is too useful for ww (unbalance again). They are solo role, not teaming one, mean they should be working alone

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^^

pallid merlin
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The problem comes from the fact they convert

unkempt junco
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?

pallid merlin
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So the origin of the role 🤷

unkempt junco
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yep

radiant zodiac
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Zombie vs sect game xD

unkempt junco
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thats is the problem

radiant zodiac
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I'd find that intresting

quaint bramble
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convertig is not at all the core of the problem, giving all zombies the solo killer xp is, and how quick the spread with almost no limits

radiant zodiac
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Give it 2 days maybe?

unkempt junco
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At least find it more balance like if sl die, the next one in sect should be the sect leader

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With my improvement, it is still worse than zom ^^

radiant zodiac
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Sl then would turn into a zombie situation

unkempt junco
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ok but not multiplying like that

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one by one slowly

radiant zodiac
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I think maybe giving Zombs 2 days each to infect that way ww will have time to find a zomb

unkempt junco
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yep

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if xom survive from first night, the percentage of winning as zom is almost 100%

pallid merlin
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Pretty sure that's been added to #feedback-devs tough there are so many about zombie there, I don't think I'll find it

unkempt junco
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hic

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We all suggested

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But they are so powerful

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They can do anything even hack the game :))

runic dragon
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I messaged Emmanuel... but my message was too long

unkempt junco
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I hope they won't see this ^^

pallid merlin
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?

runic dragon
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I don't know what to takw out in order for ut to be under 2000

pallid merlin
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There's no hacks GWczoLoliShrug

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Everything is server sided

unkempt junco
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just kidding

pallid merlin
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@runic dragon you can split it in 2

unkempt junco
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ok bye gonna sleep

pallid merlin
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Gn ^^

runic dragon
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thank you @pallid merlin

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I got it to fit and he stopped idling

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Don't know why but I'm feeling somewhat scared.

runic dragon
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Hi i have a problem this is the third day that i cant speel the Wheel to get money
Can some one help me

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon Have you tried clearing your cache and restarting the game? This usually fixes it.
Or if you have not played any actual games for a while, that might also work.

runic dragon
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How to clear your cache

If something isn"t shown right ingame try to clear your cache
Here you see how to do it

verbal pasture
runic dragon
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@verbal pasture You can easily play music in ww. Turn off music and sound effects and play whatever you want using some 3rd party app. I use soundcloud.

verbal pasture
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Yea but I thought other soundtracks never mind then ^^"

cursive pike
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Bffgh

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Batae

quaint bramble
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@cursive pike Heya do you need help with anything?

safe python
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I have a suggestion. I know it has a really really slim chance, but since I've seen multiple people suggesting it also here it goes.

I think seer should be thrown out of some game modes (or at least ranked). Because seer basically doesn't take any skill, it crushes the psychology basis of the game and trust/lie tricks that revolve around the whole point. Games with just aura/spirit/detective would be more intense and challenging to achieve. Now i know seer is basically a ground basis role, i think it should be left in quick game since most of rookies go there first and need to catch the mechanics of how game and role works. That's why i suggest only kicking it out from certain game modes (possibly sandbox also but idk). Tell me what you think.

runic dragon
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@quaint bramble thx its back

runic dragon
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Good side:
-Friendly players
-Not that much scammer
-Not 24/7 a role call from idk.. werwolf..

Bad side:
-Its roblox -> Online daters af..

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon Im sorry but, what is your suggestion..?

runic dragon
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every 10 rounds i see a online dater.. @quaint bramble

quaint bramble
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and what do you mean by that, people who are a couple? or people who are beig inappropriate or asking for gf..? please explain better.

runic dragon
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second..

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being* ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

lament knoll
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-> Report those bc wwo isnt a dating app and if they r being penetrant etc you can always report for "others" and then write something like "penetrantly demanding others to be their girlfriend" or any other comment that describes their inappropriate behaviour

I dont rly think there can be much more fixed about this than simply reporting it

||also define between "lol someone wanna be my gf?" as an one time joke and people being like "5 be my gf or die" in your comment bc the second one's a tad gamethrowing-y too||

runic dragon
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An option show stats in ranked (if we want)

safe python
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@lament knoll i agree with this. A guy started lashing out insults on a girl because she said she didn't want to be his gf. It was dissgusting.

sand dome
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That one was intentionally removed from being a thing for ranked. You'll have a hard time arguing that one. @runic dragon

runic dragon
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It's if we want only there is no problem if I want to show my stats no ?

quaint bramble
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I think it's best to keep them hidden, targetting is really a problem in Ranked

runic dragon
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Targetting ...
But we don't have time to check everyone point in ranked before the end of the day 1

normal jungle
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Why u want to check someone else points lol

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The more level the more skill, points dont matter

runic dragon
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Another think to add
Marks with role

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Level is not all I think

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At least you can do
Allow to see %victory (allow:yes/no)
Level (...)
Etc ...

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Point

quaint bramble
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but.. why do you want this badly?

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and currently the % are not seperated from the numbers so that would be a bunch of pointless extra coding

runic dragon
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Ho ...

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon Im sorry what?

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Wanna finish that sentence, pls?

runic dragon
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Ok

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...

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I just haven't think about the coding

craggy dagger
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@vivid blaze for consistencies sake, will you make it so that a random villager dies if the wws and sk (if sk game) target the same person? It’s not fair when the sk doesn’t get their first night kill?

This is the kind of argument you have made to ensure wws can get their kill. Will you also allow sk to get their kill for the sake of consistency?

vivid blaze
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I have literally no idea what u mean @craggy dagger but as far as I understand yes its for the good of both. Atleast for the first night they'll have a chance to kill to give them some momentum rather than village overruling all the time.

quaint bramble
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you cant add random effects

vivid blaze
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Please elaborate on what exactly you mean @craggy dagger

craggy dagger
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I mean that sometimes sk and wws attack the same target right?

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In this case, the sk “loses” his kill because they attacked the same target

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In the case that this were to happen

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Let’s have a random villager die to make up for this

vivid blaze
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Dude. The argument is to allow ww and sk to kill/make an impact the first night. Not 'guarantee' them a kill

craggy dagger
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This is basically what you are advocating for under a different situation

vivid blaze
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Nah thats just way too weird

craggy dagger
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How is it weird?

vivid blaze
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Then how r u gonna argue about if sk stabs bg for example?

craggy dagger
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Games where the sk and ww have separate kills are better than ones where they both kill the same target

vivid blaze
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The simple thing is to have no protection first night.... Not 'guarantee' ww and sk to kill someone thats way too much

craggy dagger
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On the first night

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Just the first night this would be in effect

vivid blaze
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Well its luck u know. based on the same argument when ww and sk kill bg at once he dies

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so yeah it has it ups and downs

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but what you

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you're* arguing about

craggy dagger
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so the same is with a doc/bg protecting a kill the first night

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Its luck

vivid blaze
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is totally off topic, or atleast not much in context

craggy dagger
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You want the removal of a luck taken out of the game

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And when I present a situation that isn’t too dissimilar, suddenly it’s not alright?

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I’m looking for some consistency in your argument here

vivid blaze
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Dude in summary, removing first night protection is the first step in improving game balance

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what you're saying is additional

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so..... yeah

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Even without protection..... sk and ww still bump into same targets..... so.......

craggy dagger
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I’m just trying to make sure that BOTH ww and SK get a kill first night, that’s the first step in improving game balance

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Yes and that’s WORSE than if they didn’t!

vivid blaze
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idk mate no offence either your argument is totally weird or I can't understand u at all

craggy dagger
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Same as if you attack a protected target

vivid blaze
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As I said bruh. Guaranteeing ww and sk both a kill is another thing

craggy dagger
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Attacking a protected target is WORSE than attacking a non protected target

vivid blaze
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but removing first night protection is the 'least' and first step

craggy dagger
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Sk and ww attacking same target is WORSE than attacking different targets

vivid blaze
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I kinda understand your argument but its for later.... first the random protection must be removed

craggy dagger
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The difference is the same

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One villager

vivid blaze
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omfg

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bruh I'm sick of explaining no offence. Your argument isn't too much in context with mine. You might not have seen the entire discussion we had earlier about this

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Please discuss about your topic with someone else.

craggy dagger
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Alright then, thanks for discussing, we agree to disagree

vivid blaze
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We aren't here to roast or insult anybody so plz be friendly also btw.

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its simple suggestions

craggy dagger
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I am being friendly. I don’t think your argument is consistent. For instance you say that the medium can revive the target anyway.. what if the target is the medium?

vivid blaze
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Mate. scroll up... we discussed EVERYTHING you are asking for here

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A few days ago we did if I'm right

craggy dagger
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I cbb scrolling up, please explain again

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This thread gets super clogged

vivid blaze
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I clearly mentioned that 'This suggestion just like any other will have arguments, its pros and cons, but the simple thing is that the benefits outweigh the cons'. Simple as that

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Sorry I can't explain again its too long, besides I hardly even remember all of it

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use my username to seach my messages 😉

craggy dagger
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You say that it’s benefits outweigh its cons, but I don’t think that’s objective, was there a consensus reached in your discourse?

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In other words, did you manage to agree on things?

sand dome
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Can I hop on this train

craggy dagger
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Sure

vivid blaze
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Sort of yes. That's the reason why its been finally posted in feeback-devs

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feedback*

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But I'm really surprised that it got 15 disagrees compared to 8 agrees. Seems like the staff doesn't want to improve their game so be it. We did what we could

sand dome
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I read the suggestion, and I like it, it does make it more balanced, but it's still nonsensical. You should find others ways to keep balance.

vivid blaze
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They and everyone clearly know that the game clearly benefits village everytime and the stats prove it. Idk why tf they refuse to improve the odds for ww.

sand dome
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Yeah, it's usually quite hard to win as ww, mostly I believe because villagers have too many special roles

craggy dagger
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It’s been stated a number of times that the devs are trying to make the game more balanced

vivid blaze
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Idk about u @sand dome But this is literally the simplest method I could imagine. Even if this is implemented village still has advantage

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Yes @craggy dagger It maybe stated but it ain't being implemented. Implementation is what matters ultimately

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easier said than done

craggy dagger
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Well here’s an example right

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I know a guy who wanted DRASTIC changes to ranked

sand dome
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I agree with you that it's the simplist, but it's still nonsensical if we look at it realistically, which is a big thing for me. I'd vote down too

craggy dagger
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For instance, remove medium, add 5 RANDOM REGULAR VILLAGERS

vivid blaze
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I really don't see any point in random protection first night. Ww shouldn't be costed for the luck of protectors

craggy dagger
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Replace medium and the rrvs

sand dome
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Yeah I think medium is super op

vivid blaze
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I thought about it deeply and can answer all the arguments that u have on it but unfortunately I don't have that much time. atleast not rn

craggy dagger
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No, but I mean he wanted ranked changed to be forkmen and special roles in a snap of a finger

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And that’s just not realistic

vivid blaze
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Besides I nearly answered all the arguments a while ago. Almost all of them

craggy dagger
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I searched your name in this channel and didn’t find much

sand dome
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Well, unless you continue to convince people, they'll gonna keep downvoting it

vivid blaze
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btw @quaint bramble Can you please post the long discussion we had on feedback-devs? That'll give the devs a clearer idea on why it should be implemented

craggy dagger
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except for a couple of rants from a few months ago but U don’t want to get into that

vivid blaze
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coz I mean @quaint bramble himself got slightly convinced after that discussion so

craggy dagger
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You can always PM a dev I think

vivid blaze
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Better let devs see the bigger picture also

quaint bramble
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I just scrolled through and nthing new and concrete got added.

vivid blaze
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I just want them to make a justified decision. Not one without knowing the whole story. Simple as that

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Ultimately its their choice... I just want them to know everything before deciding

quaint bramble
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Blep here is representing the sceptical, the counter arguements. I told you tere would be people who would find it controversial.

vivid blaze
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@quaint bramble I'm talking about the discussion WE had

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a few days ago remember

quaint bramble
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Ultimately the chance to attack a protected target is small, and random and luck IS part of the game

craggy dagger
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Not to mention sk, being an attacker himself can take advantage of this

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What’s to stop sk from not attacking and “claiming” doc that protected someone?

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Any wolf can do this too, to a degree.

vivid blaze
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Well @quaint bramble I won't repeat myself again so I'm saying for the last time that the game is unbalanced enough so that's the least that can be done. Besides first night kills don't tactically cost village anything. They can't rely on luck for wins

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and besides tbh... these days ww rely on luck to win.. coz they're so weak bcoz of the rules

craggy dagger
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It’s a suggestion that makes the game have a more consistent order

sand dome
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Recommending a bad solution to a problem isn't the way to go if u want more balance

vivid blaze
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@sand dome Tell me what's bad about it

quaint bramble
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I humored your suggestion and posted it there, and people are free to add their opinion. So far most of them disagree with you that it;s a good thing for the game.

craggy dagger
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This is part of the solution, allowing a first night kill consistency isn’t going to make the wolves win much more often

sand dome
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Again, it's unreasonable that they can't protect day 1

craggy dagger
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It’s like arsonist’s ww beserk removal suggestion

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From a fundamental standpoint this suggestion does nothing

vivid blaze
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If u want to talk about luck, its actually the WW that NEED luck to win these days

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and that luck being not having the seer check them

craggy dagger
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His suggestion was that ww beserk’s potential existence doesn’t change the metagame

vivid blaze
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Guys think about it. If ww find seer first night and they cant kill due to random protection, they almost can't kill him the whole game due to full protection

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and that in turn literally guarantees the village a win coz seer will find the ww as long as he's alive

quaint bramble
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Random luck cannot and will not be taken out of the game. Protectors will be disadvantaged too if you roleblock them in night 1.
They could also random protect a ww from being stabbed, as I have mentioned before, probably

craggy dagger
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Your suggestion that 1/14 times werewolves don’t get a kill doesn’t change the metagame

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Additionally werewolves could attack the arso/sk and also lose the first night kill that way

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What should we do then?

sand dome
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I don't think conversation will go anywhere

vivid blaze
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How will the protectors be disadvantaged first night ugh wow

quaint bramble
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because they re role blocked and useless

vivid blaze
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Only for the first night omfg

craggy dagger
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They’re effectively forkmen for the first night

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It only functionally halves the chance that werewolves lose their nightkill

vivid blaze
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And if u wanna talk about randomlt protecting wolf from stab, the village won't want that right? thats what makes it even

quaint bramble
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you are not taking critiques very well hm... I posted it there to get more reactions, this is the reaction you get, no offense, dealwith it. Most people disagree with you, go argue with them instead of me?

vivid blaze
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Protectors are supposed to protect important roles. Not someone bcoz of their fancy avatar or random fun first night

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Well fine then. If this game refuses to improve then be it. I'm not wasting my time anymore

quaint bramble
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they are supposed to protect, its up to them who they pick, they can pick forkman all they want

craggy dagger
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I think of town of Salem and Throne of lies here, other fast social deduction games

vivid blaze
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And the argument I had a few months ago it was true after all. That the staff refuses to improve

craggy dagger
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They allow doctors to protect first night

quaint bramble
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The dislikes are from regular players dude.

vivid blaze
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U literally find each and every way to keep village advantageous. Even after knowing that some arguments clearly outweighs the counters

quaint bramble
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I gave you a fair chance to display your idea in the spotlight

vivid blaze
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Scroll up. I had many people who agreed with me

quaint bramble
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and many who dont.

vivid blaze
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But you're not gonna mention them aren't u

quaint bramble
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aka controversial, as i said from the start it would be

vivid blaze
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you are only gonna focus on the ones who don't

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bcoz you yourself refuse

craggy dagger
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Well then go if you think the developers don’t care. I think the fact they make money off of it should be an indicator

quaint bramble
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the dislikes are more than the likes, thats a fact

craggy dagger
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Also reminder to keep it friendly..

quaint bramble
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I kept a open mind and gave my fair arguements on it

vivid blaze
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Indeed buddy. They make money bcoz we guys play it

craggy dagger
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That’s right

vivid blaze
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And its so weird that the game simply refuses to improve

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for starters, did they improve the voting system? no

craggy dagger
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Uhh, they took seer out of ranked silver league

vivid blaze
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Improve the game balance even after my suggestions? no

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So thats it

quaint bramble
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the dislikes and likes are all players, giving their opinion just like you.

craggy dagger
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They are improving it..

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THATS IT? Lmao they’re still refining it dude

vivid blaze
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@quaint bramble This entire argument wasn't even about opinion. Most of it was having commonsense

craggy dagger
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It’s not even at a 1.0 release and you’re saying they don’t care!?

vivid blaze
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On what necessary things need to be done to improve game balance

sand dome
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I took a break and it looks like I'm right still, this isn't going anywhere

craggy dagger
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They don’t know that’s why they want suggestions

sand dome
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I think we should all agree to disagree

quaint bramble
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Balance can be improved in hundreds of different ways

vivid blaze
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And I literally don't see any sense of random protection first night. You literally reduce ww chances on purpose by doing that

craggy dagger
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they’re game developers not balancers

vivid blaze
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@quaint bramble U have a better idea for improving the balance then?

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say it now

quaint bramble
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removing triple seer from quick game is one, replacing regular ww from the ww team

vivid blaze
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I said many months ago that the staff refuses to listen to feedback and oh boy I've ben proven right again

craggy dagger
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Alright then leave if you’re going to rant about the devs again

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No one wants to hear it

vivid blaze
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This is the legit truth lol

quaint bramble
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stop calling them 'the staff' I am not refusing to listen at all, I gave you a fair chance and youre just not taking it very well

vivid blaze
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All I'll say is that you literally all need to see the bigger pictures in suggestions

quaint bramble
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If you want to say it t the devs directly, youre free to do so

craggy dagger
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The staff literally put your suggestion in feedback devs

vivid blaze
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For my suggestion u everytime look for each and every little possible argument to make it fail

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Even in the end knowing that its pointless compared to the whole

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I asked him to post the full discussion in the devs channel

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to get a clearer picture

quaint bramble
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I did not, im just goign by the likes/dislikes that currently indicate more people believe in the counter arguements apparantly

craggy dagger
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Should they post the whole discussion on EVERY SINGLE SUGGESTION in there too?

sand dome
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Posting the discussion in the devs channel will only clog it up

vivid blaze
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and I mentioned at the beginning that idc if they implement the suggestion or not. I just want the devs to make a justified decision

quaint bramble
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literally HOW am I supposed to put 500 random comments over there? And why should you have that priviilege?

vivid blaze
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@quaint bramble Plz just post the whole discussion or dm them. End of story

quaint bramble
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if you want to make me summary of this and add it, I will.

vivid blaze
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There's no point in ranting at each other here and finding ways to ignore points

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So that's it. Tc bye

quaint bramble
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Come back anytime you have a well arguemented idea

vivid blaze
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And I did my job and have used up more than enough time. Its your job to make a summary

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If you really want the game to improve which is technically a basic duty of the staff to do, do it youself

sand dome
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thats not their job

vivid blaze
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make the summary

craggy dagger
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It’s their job to come up with a summary of a suggestion they may or may not agree with!?!?

vivid blaze
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Alright

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Anwaysy I gtg no point in ranting as I said. Do whatever u want. Bye

quaint bramble
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No its not, you want your idea to get through and I gave you a chance while not quite agreeing personally, cause i try to be impartial

craggy dagger
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You’re the one providing the suggestion, you should really be the one to do it

quaint bramble
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If you want to add anything else, you bring it to me and I will do it.

vivid blaze
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@craggy dagger You have no idea how much I have suggested and discussed. I don't want to do it all over againa and waste my time

quaint bramble
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My personal opinion doesnt keep me from posting it there so stop blaming it on me that your idea is not doing so well

vivid blaze
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Well for your sake have it the last time. I'll copy and paste. And I'm leaving after this then

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"There can be counter-arguments for everything mate but you simply have to realise which one has more weight, and its clearly the no protection first night. As mentioned earlier we all know that the game is already advantageous to village so removing this first night protection is the least we can do.
About what you said for protectors, even though the protectors lose their shield/potion, the ww aren’t aware of who they are so they cannot kill them soon. The main thing is doctor. Usually its the doctor who always randoms bcoz they have nothing to lose. Secondly, more experienced players don’t justify “I protected someone” bcoz they know it will reveal them.
Due to this random first protection combined with the normal protection later on, it gives way too much time to seers, aura seers, detectives to find the ww. Its only fair to atleast give the ww a chance first night.
If the ww accuse the player of being solo killer, when he gets shot by gunner, it justifies that the player is a ww, and that makes it even worse. Even if the target is actually the solo killer, after he dies the real seer will accuse the player to be wolf seer. So accusing the player of being the killer is a bad idea in itself.
These aren’t really strategies they are kinda dumb tricks as they backstab everytime. So removing the first night protection would actually be a good thing overall.
Even when we remove the random first night protection the village still have the advantage, because the target can be revived by medium anyways. Think about it, if the ww kill seer and med revives him later then he is fully protected later on well. So I say again that removing the first night protection is the least that we can do in the process of making the game fair to everyone."

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"Idk why you emphasised the 'mate' in this topic. Besides it the most friendly way to call someone.
Revealing the solo killer doesn’t really make a difference for the ww in anyway, and in fact it almost always costs them instead as I explained earlier. And revealing the sk before dying in fact gives further advantage to the village as they’ll have another nail in the coffin. And another secret downfall of that for the ww is that since the sk is revealed the seer will have less targets to check, so in turn increasing the chance for seers to find the ww.
This argument and counter argument can go on forever and at one point it becomes totally pointless which I think it has now as we’re discussing too deep and weird things. In the end we all know that ‘removing the first night protection’ is the least that can be and should be done as it clearly outweighs all arguments attached to it, so I think its enough discussion now to make a decision.
Thanks for posting it to #feedback-devs because its ultimately upto them to analyse and implement it so let’s see what they say :)"

sand dome
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That's a hefty af summary

vivid blaze
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These were the 2 exact messages I sent a few days ago. Read through them and you'll realize atleast some of the truth

quaint bramble
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thats not a summary of the conversations here, thats just you pushing the same points again

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and summaries are usually... shorter

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I read walls of texts, devs and most players considering your idea won't

vivid blaze
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Yeah coz as I said I'm not wasting my time on it again. I've done hard enough already. Besides you should appreciate for everything I've done coz I don't owe the game anything so why should I work hard for it? especially if I'm being treated like this.....

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Summarize it yourself if u want alright

craggy dagger
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Being scrutinised for new ideas is what happens in real life too buddy

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get used to it

vivid blaze
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The only reason why I did this far is bcoz I myself is a computer student and enthusiast so I want everything in tech to be improved

quaint bramble
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If you thnk its a waste arguing over your own idea, then why should I continue putting effort for you and summarizing it?

vivid blaze
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But ofc I won't be making myself a servant for something that can't even respect me

sand dome
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Disagreeing≠disrespect

quaint bramble
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I dont owe you anything either, I gave you a fair display of your idea and let you discuss it here freely, and all you do is blame 'the staff' for not listening, while thats exactly what ive been doing

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I have shown you no disrespect

vivid blaze
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And btw my final say for the day is, and many others say this too. "The game only improves little things but refuses to improve the major faults such as reporting system, game unbalance etc." Anyways enough arguments and ranting for the day. I'

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I'll come back tomorrow or later if I have the time. Bye bye for now tc

sand dome
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Alright, bye, have a good day mate

quaint bramble
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Have a nice day, and just like now I would not reject your ideas out of personal opinion. keep em coming, these discussions keep the game fresh.

full falcon
craggy dagger
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Something slightly off topic, but if I was in a community that treated me like dirt and everyone else in it. I would leave that community

I believe that wwo cares about its playerbase, as evidenced by the fact that so much of this game comes out of user input and volunteer time. I don’t think anyone of the volunteers would give up time to make this community a better place if they didn’t believe that they didn’t have the support to do so.

fervent compass
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Well i somewhat agree that it seems that they ask us suggestions to post here but even id it ends up on #feedback-devs it looks like the suggestions get buried and ignored

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But thats just a personal opinion

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Also regarding about the balance i fully agree that village is far stronger than ww

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Just a quick look at the win rates supports this

sand dome
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Why is most people's win rate at ~50% then? ;3

fervent compass
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Source?

craggy dagger
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I agree that village wins more than wws/solos and that their winrate does not accurately represent what it should

sand dome
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Just from experience

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I can go into a game and tally it

fervent compass
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Screeshot it please

craggy dagger
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My winrate is 53% over 1600 games and I consider myself a strong player

sand dome
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Stuff like that^ mine is exactly 50%

fervent compass
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This is mine

craggy dagger
sand dome
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It'd be too many screenshots since I can't view multiple profiles on one screen

craggy dagger
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This is mine

sand dome
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So you have a 48% win rate

craggy dagger
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Now if village wins so much, what is the reason for the disparity?

sand dome
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Werta

fervent compass
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48% is defeats

craggy dagger
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I have a simple answer

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Because village makes mistakes

sand dome
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Oh my bad, 36% then

craggy dagger
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Not every villager is a robot that knows exactly how to play the game at all stages

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Ranked is the closest representation of ideal villager play

vivid blaze
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Needless to mention, almost half of the defeats are caused by villagers who gamethrow. And I mean it

sand dome
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Oh, you're back

vivid blaze
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Imma keep this on while im working lol its getting fun

quaint bramble
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@fervent compass Feedback is staff's voluntary realm to deal with, but what happens with the stuff posted in #feedback-devs is completely out of our hands. That's the devs's job and responsibility to look at and choose what to do with it.. They're only 2 guys and might not have the same views as we do on everything

vivid blaze
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yeah I'll occasionally talk here in between when working

fervent compass
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Look at team stats, victory as village 146 and 131 defeat

Victory as ww team 44 and 80 defeat

vivid blaze
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U see all? here comes someone with a factual point

craggy dagger
vivid blaze
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that supports my suggestion

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and u cannot compare the stats by looking at someone win ratio, coz I literally mean it. Nearly everytime villagers gamethrow

craggy dagger
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I have a suggestion too Knightwolf

vivid blaze
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You'll agree to it as well

fervent compass
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Jesus 53 wins va 337 defeats i mean its pretty clear isnt it?

craggy dagger
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Let’s replace med jailer and gunner with regular villagers

sand dome
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No, it's rare I see someone game throw. You must be playing quick game, knight.

craggy dagger
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Because village wins too much

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I mean it’s the least they could do if they want to make this game balanced

fervent compass
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U can repleace gunner with marksman, marksman IS balanced

vivid blaze
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Well @craggy dagger if you're take this funny and make useless jokes there's no point in talking

craggy dagger
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I’m not

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This a serious suggestion

sand dome
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I don't think taking out important characters is the way to go

craggy dagger
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Why don’t we just nerf village?

fervent compass
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Marksman makes the player to not random and actually pay attentiom to the game

quaint bramble
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@craggy dagger It wasnt a serious suggestion and I would you to not trigger anyone with that kinda jokes

sand dome
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Because if we nerf too hard it'll be unfun

vivid blaze
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Here we go. Players who wanna joke and be sarcastic in between such serious discussions

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anyways try to brb gtg again

craggy dagger
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Okay that’s fair then

sand dome
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Take your time knight

fervent compass
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@quaint bramble what about fully replacing gunner with mm

craggy dagger
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That’s a good suggestion though, if we try and change the game too drastically then the game becomes unfun

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It’s through the accumulation of small balance changes that the goal of reducing villages winrate is achieved

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What leeway we have is discussing which small changes are good and impactful and which ones aren’t

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Light at the end of the tunnel here is that this game isn’t going to be fixed overnight

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Nor should we expect it to

fervent compass
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Another i said that is just a quality of life change (and i think it was rejected) is that if you are HH and your target dies/suicides first night, get a new one

Cupid already has this

craggy dagger
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I like that idea

sand dome
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I would upvote it

craggy dagger
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Ditto

fervent compass
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Another one i proposed was to make Fool part of the village, so it does not feel so bad to play

sand dome
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Downvote

fervent compass
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Why, i have got timea that i got revealed by paci first day and i just got ignored the whole game

quaint bramble
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@fervent compass I will check if the hh one's been posted to feed-back devs before

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Making fool part of the village means he wont try to get lynched at all anymore, and afaects the balance more than you'd think

fervent compass
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Well HH is part of village and i still see all people try to lynch their target

sand dome
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Hh isn't part of village until their target dies

craggy dagger
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Suggestion
Give HH another target when the first target dies

Why? Right now hh as a solo voting generally wins from siding village after their target dies, this seems unintended from a perspective of how the game is designed, and making the HH have a new target will make it more likely to actually have an impact as a separate faction in HH games.

Credit’s to Werta for the suggestion

fervent compass
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Its almost the same @sand dome Hh target usually dies fast

sand dome
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I actually usually have trouble with my target dying at all. A better idea, I would say, is that hh gets a new goal when their target dies - not to become villager

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Like their new goal is to get seer lynched or smth

fervent compass
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I dont like that

quaint bramble
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@craggy dagger that looks good! I think werta moslty mean the first night though, and yours seems to have no limit?

craggy dagger
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Yeah, I think no limit is better

fervent compass
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If they still want hh to go village then no limit would not work, amybe first 2 nights?

craggy dagger
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I think hh having to side village is a game breaking concept

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in every other game like wwo, when the hh target dies, the hh can side whoever they want

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this usually ends up being the wolves or solo

sand dome
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I wouldn't say gamebreaking, but unbalanced

quaint bramble
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so hh would be able to win with those teams too?

craggy dagger
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Kayo is right

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Yes

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Give me another minute let me make another suggestion

sand dome
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Wait, so what determines who they get to pick?

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Is it just a "stay alive to win" thing?

craggy dagger
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Well, they just have to survive

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yeah

fervent compass
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Another suggestion to improve couple team

Make couple team independent so people ACTUALLY try to win as couple, those players can still use their abilities or kill ppl ig killing role or ww, but now they MUST win as couple in order to win

Unless they get revived after dead

sand dome
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Dude yes

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...unless they're both villagers/ww?

fervent compass
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Rn couple is like oh well we couple hope my partner does not die so i also dont

sand dome
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In my experience it's a "hope they don't game throw to win with their own team"

craggy dagger
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Suggestion
Make it so hh can side whoever they want when their target dies, but they have to survive

Why? HH having to side village forces the role's existence to benefit village when it should benefit wolves. This change seeks to remedy the headhunter post target death with the roles intended effect of being a third party that benefits evil roles

sand dome
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@quaint bramble

fervent compass
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@sand dome assuming players know that not playing as couple IS gamethrow, its like the village teaming with zombies, it is gamethrow but nobody reports it

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So its allowed in the end

sand dome
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I think the problem is that most everyone doesn't realize it's gamethrowing

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To help your individual team instead of trying to win as a couple

fervent compass
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From my experience ppl only report random gunner, sometimes random paci reveal (only if revealed a good role) and random jailer kill

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Worth noting that random gunner and jailer is only reported if it killed a village role

rose silo
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The server keeps restarting

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Whats happening

sand dome
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Do you have shotty internet connection?

rose silo
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No

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I have really good internet

quaint bramble
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Yeah the servers had a maintenance restart

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Idk if its still going, usually only happens once at a time

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@craggy dagger so this suggestion replaces your previous hh idea about the newtarget?

craggy dagger
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uhh theyre both suggestions so you can take both or just one

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I'd support either of them making it in game

quaint bramble
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i'll put them as seperate posts so can have 2 votes on them

craggy dagger
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cheers

quaint bramble
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added a little introduction there xD

craggy dagger
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yeetus

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Thanks Majest

quaint bramble
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so much for not listening to feedback

craggy dagger
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c:

woeful mesa
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hi, about the last feedback: letting the hh choose would be a little too op in my opinion, because he will obviously choose the team that is winning which will just lead to a quicker game over for the opponent

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and for example if target dies in the begining of the game, there can be 5 ww in game, which would be way too difficult to deal with for village, even more when we know that the target can only be a villager

fervent compass
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It would not be an additional ww, it would just be a forkman that wins if he survives

quaint bramble
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he wouldnt literally choose the team i think, he just has to support them and make sure he doesnt get killed while doing it

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if he sides with villagers still, ww's would kill him. if he sides with ww, the gunner might have a bullet left for him

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and he wouldnt actually see who is who

fervent compass
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He would be priority for lynch for either team, ww have hh as distraction from actual wws and village would have a forkman that can vote out ww

craggy dagger
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@fervent compass this is a common occurrence for "survive to win" classes

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I think that hh should get one shot attack immunity

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sort of like a bg but he cant protect anyone

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only himself

normal jungle
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Streaks

Adding a losing / winning streak (Also in player's profile as, [current streak: x] )

Winning:

When you win 5 games in a row you get a winning streak which makes the next matches you win give you extra skill.

Why? Because it's very rare to win 5 games in a row and if you did then for sure you aren't a random player who just win by luck thus those players should be rewarded so they keep up the good work also this will decrease the suicides limit as all will try to win specially after 4 W Streaks

Losing:

When you lose 3 games in a row you get a losing streak which makes the next matches you lose makes you lose less skill.
Why: so you don't give up hope about earning what you lost again easily

For example when you lose as a werewolf you lose 15 skill against villagers
But if you are in a losing streak you will just lose 7-10 skill instead

Devs should be the one who decide the amount of skill Gained and Lost in the streaks for better results

craggy dagger
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too much variance in winstreaking this game imo

carmine warren
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feedback: add like a box where you can say why you need to suicide and the town can see the message.

runic dragon
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Can we add a section for other languages in sandbox? My english sandbox server is being flooded by Spanish and other languages because they all want to try out the new roles

heady trellis
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Wheres is*

runic dragon
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Blocked by his avatar

heady trellis
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Yes thats the point

magic smelt
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Oops wrong one

runic dragon
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Can we make it so that you can only watch 2 ads to reduce ur ban time for commiting too many suicides? I think this should be fair because their punishment really is only maximum 1 minute and 30 seconds because they can just watch 3 ads. I feel like this is right because they're not getting what they really deserve for commiting too many suicides in a short amount of time.

craggy dagger
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How about lengthening the ban time so they have to get the devs more dank ad revenue to shorten their ban?

heady trellis
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Any helper to coment about my post?

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;-;

coral marsh
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Please bring sk back

glacial warren
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@heady trellis it looks like a bug? But it isn't one ^^ the bird is just really light and it's bleeding in with the number. It's nothing we can change since the designer decides how he wants to place things on their avatars ^^ thank you for suggesting anyways HR_BlobLove

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@runic dragon suicide bans are getting longer with every ban and I think, that it's pretty annoying for these players to watch ads. This is also one reason why the bans are getting longer. Thank you for your feedback and describing your suggestion ^^ we really appreciate it bcaFond1Love1

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@coral marsh heyo. The roles in quick game will change every week on Wednesday bcaHiHelloWelcome2

runic dragon
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Guardian Werewolf shouldn't be able to protect himself.

proper turret
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can i add an idea about daily tasks, i know it had been suggested but in more spicific and because we need this...

floral heath
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Just wanted to note with cannibal that it’s an SK that can choose which nights to increase power.

Cannibal can wait for 4 nights for example and kill 4 people exactly how SK would kill a MAX of 4 people by that time too. The only difference is after that night, the Cannibal can repeat 4 kills on the following night while SK has to constantly stay on killing 1 player per night. Basically if you play Cannibal right then you are an SK who can choose how many people you want to kill every night up to 5 people so long as you wait a few nights incase you risk killing any scapegoats.

My role suggestions before for this type of role is to give the role a 1 night cooldown for each night they decide to kill so that they cannot constantly kill 2 every night like buffed SK. In the cooldown period, the game still increases their kill count by 1 since they do not kill that night.

How Cannibal should work:

Night 1: No kill (so 2 kills now)
Night 2: Kill 2 people
Night 3: Have to wait 1 night because killed people on Night 2
Night 4: Kill 3 people
Night 5: Wait again.. (KPN still goes up because didn’t kill this night).
Night 6: Kill 4 people and etc

Also if the Cannibal cannot Kill players because they were protected then their KPN should not go up, but they will have a chance to attack the next night without the cooldown.

silver ruin
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@floral heath btw, just giving you a quick note, that's not how cannibal uses it's kill. You didn't see the role yet so you will have to wait until dev released them but that's definitely not how cannibal works

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I m not going to reveal how it kills, but your explanation of how it works is not correct 👀

safe python
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I believe he can choose to keep marking each night or to kill one (or how many people he has marked to that point)

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Up to 5 players

silver ruin
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No guessing allowed, just wait for the roles to be released

safe python
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They are released

silver ruin
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But not in game yet(I supposed?)

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(somebody did mention it in sandbox but I doubt it's true)

safe python
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Nah i just played a game with a Canibal anf a guardian ww

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It's in Sandbox

silver ruin
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Welp

safe python
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idk if it's still available for all players but i have the lates version and it's there lol

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*latest

floral heath
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I had a heated game earlier with guardian wolf and flower child lol.

silver ruin
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But I don't think that explanation is true

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Unless that's a bug

floral heath
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Also sheriff is not really a checking role, it’s more of a protection role

safe python
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I mean it's not ? He checkes a potential player that can/will be killed and then acts as a spirit seer basically

floral heath
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Pretty much

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But I don’t think it should replace Seer/Aura/Spirit etc

cold cypress
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Sheriff is not a protector

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It's kinda like detective or ss

silver ruin
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@floral heath you tried out cannibal already?

floral heath
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It is, you protect the player from dying because if they die then the sheriff gets info

cold cypress
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You don't protect anyone xD

floral heath
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@silver ruin I had it in one game when I was wolf but he got checked first lol

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@cold cypress you don’t protect them, you scare the werewolves away from them

silver ruin
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Well, the thing is, cannibal, after killing, will lose its use. What you had mentioned is probably a bug @floral heath

cold cypress
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You just check the player.

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Like every other seer/detective role

silver ruin
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I mean, you can store up to 5 use. Kill 1 player, loses 1 use

safe python
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Protection means blocking the attack. Sheriff doesn't do that. We could call seer and spirit seer also protectors if that was true

floral heath
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You don’t “check” the player, the info is if they die, you see who killed them, 2 suspects

cold cypress
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But u don't protect them

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You just said that a couple of times

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And that's not true

floral heath
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What I’m saying is, you scare ww away from them, so technically you are protecting them

silver ruin
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Unless sandbox have a different version but that's probably not intended by dev

safe python
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To a degree maybe. But it's not a full protection

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It's still up to them if they get scared or not

cold cypress
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What scare away from them?
This player gets killed and then u can see 2 ppl who was it

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Wws don't get scared from sheriff

floral heath
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Yes, ofc the ww don’t want the sheriff to get info (early) so they won’t attack players being watched by the sheriff

safe python
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He's talking tacticly wise, they could avoid certain targets because of sherrif

cold cypress
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Well u don't know who the sheriff is gonna watch

undone notch
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Idk If anyone said this but The Finnish translation of sheriff is wrong. It says seeiffi but the correct one is sheriffi

safe python
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But the role itself is not designed as a protector

floral heath
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Unless the Village tells the sheriff to watch someone

safe python
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You're debating from two different perspectives and both are true

cold cypress
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Yeah it's fine now.
It can protect with tactics, but he is not a real protector

floral heath
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Also if the ww are aware of a sheriff in game then they might not risk killing important targets too, same with protectors.

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I never said it was a protector

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But it can protect

cold cypress
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U actually did 😒

safe python
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Only Sir Felnuses perspective is from a really certain standpoint where late in game let's say wws will have to use their brain if they want to minimise the risk of getting 50/50 from sheriff.

As for the role itself, it doesn't serve as doc,bg,bh and it's ability falls into investigation section more. I mean jailer can serve also as a protector/killer.

floral quail
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Feedback for Werewolf Classic

I personally think that the doctor should not be able to heal itself because in Werewolf Online it can't. If this feature is implemented, remove the "You can't protected the same person twice in a row". That's all from me!

native epoch
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Why do I get med for 3 consecutive times

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Can you fix it

safe python
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@native epoch that's just luck and other people probably using talismans

native epoch
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@safe python I am referring to ranked

full falcon
vernal dune
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@floral quail that's how doctor works in the classic Werewolf game.

@native epoch it isn't a bug, but just you getting unlucky!

@full falcon i will add this to #feedback-devs, thank you for the suggestion!

full falcon
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Alrighty

floral quail
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@vernal dune it's feedback? So I'm suggesting to make it like that

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oh nevermind

full falcon
limber lily
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@full falcon Not sure if there even is one. Lemme check

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@full falconthere i none

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its in english for everyone

gentle hemlock
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Profile shouldn't be disabled in ranked... why

glacial warren
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@gentle hemlock hey ^^
The stats are not visible because you can easie calculate the level and other things. I'm sorry, but in my opinion it's good to keep it the way it is.
Thank you for the time to write a suggestion
9_Love

gentle hemlock
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Ok :) but sometimes it is not disabled for some and disabled for some others. I know this should be in #bugs-readonly but I wanted to continue the conversation here

full falcon
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IMPORTANT MESSAGE
@autumn tangle have been working on new soundtracks for the new Battle Pass/Event, they will be (like the battle pass) centered around a post apocalyptic theme. The post-apocalyptic music will be played for all players throughout the time of the Battle Pass/Event this would help make the whole game and the Battle Pass more enjoyable, immersing and synchronized together. I've been helping him choose the best ones that he made so far, but we're still unsure which one is the best so we need the help/vote of all the players we can get, but I can't post them in #dev-vote or #feedback-devs, thus I need the help of a helper to post it there so people can vote on which soundtrack is the best.
side suggestion: we can make one of the soundtracks an obtainable one via the battle pass itself so that even after the Event/BP ends people can still choose a personal soundtrack that they prefer, it's a further step to help people customize their game and make it feel more like home, knowing there's an obtainable soundtracks, people will seek to play more to win them from the battle pass !

glacial warren
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@gentle hemlock if it is enabled, then it is a bug ^^ as soon as Philipp and/or Emanuel notice this, they disable it again. It already happened two times

pallid merlin
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don't

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not here 😅

glacial warren
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^

full falcon
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@pallid merlin the music is already made, we need people to vote on them

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They are named 1 through 5 for a purpose

pallid merlin
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oh

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🤔

full falcon
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Read my messages

pallid merlin
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mhh

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still belongs there i think

full falcon
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No one is active on #sound-ideas but me and @autumn tangle, the famous crush isn't available at the moment

pallid merlin
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he'll check it as soon as he can ^^

full falcon
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We need his # or @ to send him a message

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@pallid merlin

pallid merlin
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i can post the idea about different themes for halloween

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sure

full falcon
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That would be great @pallid merlin but I still need Crush's tag to contact him

pallid merlin
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gimme a sec

fallen rock
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I think it's a good idea that I hadn't thought about, I hope it will be added to the game💡

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Putting background as new element would be cool

full falcon
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It's a good idea indeed, I had it the last Christmas but didn't think it was possible because it might overwhelm everything

runic dragon
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@full falcon

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Im active too..

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I posted sounds. For pacifist or tough guy. .. i searched.

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And. Yeah. The famous crush😢

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Let Hh win with village if Hh dies 🤔

balmy ibex
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Hey i have some ideas. It is minor but it helps a lot. When you become a med or doc or something. When you already click on player, if you want to change or undo the click should get a notice info. You can missclick it and didnt get the protect or rev from doc or med

vernal dune
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@mighty cypress I'll add that to #feedback-devs GWcmeisterPeepoLove

@balmy ibex you can change it after again if you missclicked, so I don't see the point of that 🤔

balmy ibex
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No wait, i mean like this. I play as a medium before and i already click heart to rev someone but dunno accidently touch the heart again or touching something so that people didnt get revive. Thats the part of clicking

vivid blaze
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Alright so whoever was arguing about the removal of first night protection suggestion. Here’s my final say

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Look, we can keep arguing all life for the littlest and most pointless of reasons. So I’m not gonna repeat all those arguments and answers or make any summary on it I think we’ve discussed and ranted more than enough. I repeat myself again that ‘The benefits of this suggestions outweighs all the cons clearly”.
Look, the game is unbalanced way too much for the ww already. Removing the first night protection is the LEAST that can be done to improve the game balance. As a player I want some momentum being a ww, and want some challenge when playing as a villager. Even if we remove first night protection the game still favours the village. By arguing about the littlest of things you’re just annoying the suggester which quite frankly I am annoyed right now.

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The kinda pointless downsides (in my opinion) that you feel will be caused if first night protection is removed, are a worthy trade to improve the game balance. Of course to get something u have to lose something, so stop holding onto the little things that will be lost and do the right thing coz after all what matters is ‘fairplay’.
By bringing up each and every argument possible on my suggestion you’re only trying to help and support village strength, but are you/have you ever thought and helped about ww strength? That’s the point.

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This is my final say. Please don’t bring in any other arguments on it as we’ve discussed enough and let’s now only discussed in yes or no if this should be implemented. Its clear that initially this suggestion was getting some praise, but over time since it wasn’t done quickly people are finding ways to argue for littlest of things.
In my opinion if this feature or atleast something similar isn’t implemented even after so much discussion, its clear that the staff simply refuses to improve the game and don’t agree to major feedback.

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So I repeat again. Removing the first night protection is the least that can be done. Yes it will have its very minor drawbacks but you have to stop holding onto them and sacrifice those little drawbacks for a major improvement.

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Also, @quaint bramble and all others who were discussing with me yesterday, I want to clarify with you in a much simpler and shorter talk. Let me know when you're here we can talk.

full falcon
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I agree, first night protection is a bit annoying for wws

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Here's another idea: a badge for people whose roles suggestions get added to the game

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Pros: it will encourage more people to bring new role ideas to the game

pallid merlin
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Already suggested, thanks for suggesting GWpinkuShyNya

full falcon
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So will it be added ?

pallid merlin
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Depends on the dev's minds GWczoLoliShrug

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Tbh the problem is that people will come and think it's easy to put a role in-game

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Most of the roles come from the rt

vivid blaze
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To all the people who were using the overall win ratio to argue about the game balance yesterday, win ratio includes the losses caused by gamethrowers, newbies, and also suicide count. So using win ratio is the wrong way.
Calculate how many times you win when you’re a ww. I just did mine and out of the 93 times I have been a ww, I’ve only won 34 times. That roughly estimates to a ww win ratio of just 36% does that ring a bell???? That’s the one proof that how much unbalanced the game is.

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My suggestion on the feedback-devs got 22 likes compared to 25 dislikes. The message that was posted on the devs channel was only my first message and not the full explanation that answered all the arguments people had. I'm sure once someone posts the full explanations and answers I gave to the arguments we had here, the likes will go beyond the dislikes and get this implemented finally.

pine sluice
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About the thing in #feedback-devs

  1. Mostly i am conserned that bg/doc would suicide even more likely if they cant protect anyone FIRST NIGHT

  2. Sk and ww ig would be bad if they both kill and there is 0% someone get protected

  3. Harder for ww when they attack tg, because mostly they claim rv fast enough and there is no chance later that ww get trust from vill not real tg

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reposted ||that's why i did 👎 ||

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Also yes the game is unbalanced that's why you get more points for ww win

vivid blaze
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Mate, we're talking about first night only. It's not like doc and bg can't protect anyone like you're saying. Besides, its rare that they actually manage a protection first night, but when they do it makes it almost impossible for ww to win.

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  1. Sk and ww are supposed to be made stronger atleast for the first night that's the whole point of the argument here.
sudden dock
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Idea for new Instagram schedule:

Monday - Misc.
Tuesday Misc.
Wednesday - Tutorials
Thursday - Misc.
Friday - Fan Art Monday
Saturday - Misc
Sunday - Giveaway

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if you want, there isn't a pure reason for it

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fan art friday sounds like absolute fire tho

pine sluice
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@vivid blaze yea i meant they cant protect only first night its not changing the fact people would like to Play those roles even less and suicide

glacial warren
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Hey ^^ I really understand your point on this. Yes the games are unbalanced at the moment since there ate two teams, which immediately kill. (serial killer and Werewolves) kill 2 people each night. Yes it may be unfair, but there are also other role combinations. The combination with the cursed as example. In this rotation the wws have a higher chance to win.
The xp of a ww win is higher because they have less members and its hard to win with this team. Same goes for solo killers. They get even more xp.
The role combination is not the problem, which causes gamethrowing and such things tho. That's a thing a player has to decide themselves. If they break the rules and get cought, they get punished.
Your suggestion was posted in #feedback-devs and to be honest you can complain about it but it was your suggestion and you wrote it like this. This means, that you didn't add the explanation. It's our job to post it and helping. It's not our job to write your feedback and explain it.
The community decides, how they vote and even if it has a bad vote, the devs could still like it.

quaint bramble
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@sudden dock That sounds like a fun idea, I think it would help if you post it in #social-media-ideas :)

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feedback-devs is for feedback for the devs, so it would not really fit there, nor reach the right people

sudden dock
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Thanks!!

burnt kiln
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I could kill him but game end

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And he won

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Bruh

left bloom
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@burnt kiln Because If Jailer jailed killer in 1:1. Game would be tie

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And everyone loses

burnt kiln
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But I wasnt corrupted

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There will be night

left bloom
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Same case of serial_killer

burnt kiln
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And I have bullet

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So I could kill him

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:c

left bloom
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Sometimes. Killer win if there's 1:1

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Hard to explain.

pine sluice
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Not sometimes its always just jailer

burnt kiln
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Nah I know that it was really specific situation but come on that was sad that I could win this but game end

latent saddle
burnt kiln
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If no bullets left I know he can jail infinity and then killer should win

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But If jailer have got bullets then no

pine sluice
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Agree with that

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If its so late game and jailer still Has bullet they deserve win

vivid blaze
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@glacial warren Most of the explanation was after people added arguments and questions to my suggestion. I cannot write the whole point in the first place without knowing what questions/arguments people have. A whole suggestion is a process which cannot be expressed in the first message. So now if you want you can post the whole explanation on feedback-devs otherwise nvm.

glacial warren
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@latent saddle I remember, that Philipp said that's not possible ^^ thank you anyways. I don't know what exactly he wrote so I can't find the message for a screen

vivid blaze
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Search by my username and copy paste the complete explanation message if you're gonna do it.

glacial warren
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Since it's already in #feedback-devs I won't repost it ^^ I will ask to edit it but I can't promise anything

latent saddle
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@glacial warren its possible

runic dragon
latent saddle
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just post it i will talk with him

runic dragon
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oh yeah

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whooops

glacial warren
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@latent saddle hmm it was suggested before tho ^^' but with other items

latent saddle
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so its bcuz of the item but im sure he can sort the items

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i will tell him how if he dont know

bright pagoda
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Fix all the descriptions that say "he" or "him" and instead say "they, you, them"

glacial warren
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@bright pagoda this already has been suggested an they are already trying this ^^

runic dragon
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Plz change guardian logo

glacial warren
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@latent saddle hmm already suggested tho👀

latent saddle
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where

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@glacial warren why u r lazy xD

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon Heya, what do you mean with guardian logo, and why should it be changed then?

runic dragon
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Because it's white

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And I always think only 3 wolf dead

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But the gardian is white so sometime I don't vote the right personne

glacial warren
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@mighty cypress hey ^^ I will post it for you ^^ thank you for your suggestion HR_BunnyLurk

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@runic dragon Hy ^^ why do you want this?

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@latent saddle. Already answered you...

sudden dock
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Make the ability to save photos to use as backgrounds.

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So you don't have to go fishing through your photo reel trying to find the right image.

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon I dont think the white wolf blends in that much with the blue background personally, and esp the red on it stands out a lot

glacial warren
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@sudden dock hey ^^ I will add it to #feedback-devs for you since I like the idea and couldn't find it in there. Thank you for your suggestion. Anything to add?

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@mighty cypress you're welcome

sudden dock
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No i dont think so

glacial warren
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Okay!

sudden dock
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I also had the idea about the instagram schedule changed. Majestical said that she would do it but I'm just making sure😀

glacial warren
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@sudden dock if she says, that she posts it, she will ^^

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@runic dragon hmm you can Chang your status to do not disturb ^^

sudden dock
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Okay ✧。٩(๑˙╰╯˙๑)و✧

glacial warren
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I know ^^ but I don't see any use of it than not getting invited

quaint bramble
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@sudden dock No I told you to post it in #social-media-ideas yurself because thats the best way to reach the Social media staff, besides dm'ing them ofc

sudden dock
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Ohh I'm so sorry i didnt see that

full falcon
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Petition to add creative mode, it let's you play as any character you want to test it

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I'm working on the details but I'm just posting the initial idea here so people can see it

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Feel free to develop this idea

quaint bramble
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that sounds more like a tutorial, the devs recently created a new one and there might be more for different roles if it is well received ^^

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And ofc, custom game lets you play any role you want as well

full falcon
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Yes but in custom games you need to wait for people to join and you can't decide what role you'll have

runic dragon
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Can there be other language servers in sandbox? My games are being flooded with so many people speaking other languages and I just dont feel like playing anymore cuz they just say f*** me for asking them to speak English

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon Sadly no, new language servers are not likely to be added for Sandbox mode. When they do speak something else, they are reportable esp. if they keep going after being told nicely that its against the rules

peak bramble
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I am in a game with racist spammer is there anything that I can do to help him get ban?

woeful mesa
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Hi^^ in my opinion, the gamethrowing part by the pacifist should be put in a clearer way in the rules. Like how it was made on instagram. In game, it isn t clear that random reveal before day 3 is gamethrow, and it leads me to all sort of fights between me and other villagers because they always want to reveal day 1 or ask the paci to reveal day 1, which is really annoying because I usually end up being the one "in the wrong" in their opinions, even more when the one random revealed is a ww

dense cloud
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Add cannibal to ranked

runic dragon
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@quaint bramble what can I report them for? Gamethrow?

low niche
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Maybe add an Auto button in game?

quaint bramble
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@peak bramble You should always report bad behaviour in-game, bt for very serious stuff like racism you can also send a screenshot directly to a Guardian

runic dragon
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How to dispute your WWO Ban

Message one of the following guardians and make sure you include your Ingamename and name any reasons why the ban is invalid in your initial message. If it comes to discussions do not be rude or your ban will not be taken away.

List of guardians:

  • ioannis => @strong olive (@ioannis#0936)
  • Kem => @crisp thistle (@KemTrangTien#9980)
  • Myrros => @lethal storm (@Myrros#1340)
  • Alisonn => @naive whale (@Alisonn_#4655)
  • Boy => @arctic nova (@BoyHanQuoc#6473)
quaint bramble
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@runic dragon I think it doesnt really fit in anything else so I would say 'other' unless you actually notice/suspect them of communicating game-info in their language

runic dragon
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@quaint bramble it would be hard to notice cuz I dont really understand what they're saying

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So if they keep carrying on after asking them politely to speak english that's reportable?

quaint bramble
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Yeah definately reportable, by joining SB they have read and agreed that it's an English only mode

runic dragon
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Can we at least see the players bio in a ranked match?

scarlet python
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I think we should have an amount of inviting friend limits (Like you can invite at most 4 friends)
This can prevent clan farming loopholes (Letting solo killers win indefinitely without being reported)

next smelt
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I have a picture of a server of people who random killed me because they need someone to kill do I just report them all or send the picture of their names also I didn't know if I report here?

quaint bramble
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everyone voting for you doesnt really equal game throwing, you cant just report the whole village every game they lynch without info

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if they said things that backup they were killing you for no reason, then you can report those people ingame for gamethrowing

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@next smelt

next smelt
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OK but they killed me for no reason they said they just needed someone to kill and they knew I was bodyguard @quaint bramble

quaint bramble
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If you are sure they knew, then you can try sending it to the guardians, Idk for sure if they can do something in tis case though

next smelt
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OK I'll try but yeah they knew cuz I saved 13 but she still voted me and I also told them I was BG and they said they trusted me but they started voting me saying they needed to kill someone

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Idk how to report to the Guardian but it's fine

quaint bramble
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I am not trying to defend gamethrowers but ust you saying you saved someone, is not a confirm

next smelt
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I just wanted someone to know in case those people do it again

runic dragon
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How to dispute your WWO Ban

Message one of the following guardians and make sure you include your Ingamename and name any reasons why the ban is invalid in your initial message. If it comes to discussions do not be rude or your ban will not be taken away.

List of guardians:

  • ioannis => @strong olive (@ioannis#0936)
  • Kem => @crisp thistle (@KemTrangTien#9980)
  • Myrros => @lethal storm (@Myrros#1340)
  • Alisonn => @naive whale (@Alisonn_#4655)
  • Boy => @arctic nova (@BoyHanQuoc#6473)
quaint bramble
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^these are the guardians, you can contact one of them

next smelt
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OK thanks

quaint bramble
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and yeah, in any case, always report in game first ^^

next smelt
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I did

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If nothing happens I'll report it to them later or tmr

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I remember their usernames so I'll check

quaint bramble
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What do you mean with 'if nothing happens' then?

next smelt
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Well I reported them so like if they get ban for like a few days

rose swift
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I think that when corrupter corrupts jww that their tag shouldn't work because when corrupter corrupts someone they loose all abilitys and jwws tag is a ability

next smelt
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@quaint bramble because I atleast want them ban for a few days because I want them to know to not do it again

quaint bramble
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Yeah if they get enough reports they will get a ban for a few days

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but you cant check that yourself

next smelt
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Oh ok

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It wasn't just me who reported some else did to

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I hated that they kept saying I was stupid for dying as a good role when the Lynched me

quaint bramble
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At this point I think you done what you can, just let the system do the rest, or contact a guardian

next smelt
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Ok

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Well thanks for the help

dim narwhal
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Junior Werewolf's tag should disable if he is corrupted. Gunner can't shoot when corrupted, so why should jww kill when he dies?

quaint bramble
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The tag only works if its already on someone, corrupted jww cant move or remove the tag

rose swift
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Ik

runic dragon
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Ima just say it rn, I don’t think it should cost 1.6k to shuffle quests. I really don’t. We barely get coins for playing and if it’s gonna cost 1.6k to shuffle and 6.4k to buy quests, atleast give us more ways to earn coins or more coins when earned

quaint bramble
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@runic dragon Shuffle is a very optional feature, for clans who do want to go that extra mile and have the money.
you always get a new quesst automatically every week, so shuffling can be ignored completely if you dont think its worth the money...

undone quail
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There should be a gamemode with 20 our 25 people in total

quaint bramble
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@undone quail Been suggested before but it doesnt really work with the current game mehcanics, it would be even harder to balance it right. And harder to keep it organized with so much info and people talking

runic dragon
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When you play with friends, you should have the option to set the maximum players. At first, it's always 16 and can be edited. The minimum is 8 and the maximum is 16

charred kiln
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Replace sometimes berserk instead of jww in ranked just like arso/sk and hh/fool. This would variete ranked more and make it more skilled becuz of berserk

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Suggested by me and @craggy dagger

modest vessel
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İllusionist ?!?

vernal dune
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@runic dragon i'll add that to #feedback-devs bloblovesu

@charred kiln beserk is not yet balanced enough to be in ranked as a role 😉

@modest vessel We don't know what that is 🤔
Also, please change your name to an easily pingable name 😁

left bloom
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A sneak peek

craggy dagger
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@vernal dune not balanced enough to be in ranked? Gee that’s funny, I could’ve sworn it could spawn as the RWW 😉

vernal dune
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@craggy dagger it shall only spawn in rww then, else there could be 2 wwb 6_ThinkingRotate

craggy dagger
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But 2 jwws isn’t broken 🤔

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Even though it effectively gives wolves an extra kill for just existing, as opposed to say random ww being a Shaman and sometimes not being able to do anything

opaque pollen
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Yeah and they're down 2 wolves

craggy dagger
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And any other case they’re just down two wolves..

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In this one they’re down two wolves AND village is down two villagers

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The villager:wolf ratio doesn’t change when a jww dies

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(Assuming villager is tagged ofc for simplicity)

vernal dune
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We already had complaints about wwb exisiting in rww, so we are probably not going to add it as a full role

uncut tusk
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Actually, the ratio does change, unless ww and villagers are the same number of players, and that solo role is still alive

craggy dagger
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Let’s say there are 4 villagers and two wolves

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So 4:2

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If one of the wolves is jww it goes to 3:1, otherwise villager count stays the same at 4, and ww goes down to 1 so 4:1

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If you were to lynch a jww and the werewolves killed that night, you would lose the game as village.

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This situation doesn’t happen in every other wolf combination. My point being 2 Jwws on a wolfteam is a definite advantage over just 1

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My suggestion is

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Make it so jww or ww beserk can spawn in the one slot, and a random Non jww non ww beserk can roll in the random wolf slot

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So effectively this wolfteam composition:

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Ww seer
Ww shaman
Jww or ww beserk
Ww seer, ww shaman, nightmare ww, alpha ww

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so 8 possible wolfteam compositions

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And each composition is more or less as strong as any other wolfteam

cerulean wren
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Could you make a favourite section in the avatar inventory? Pleaaaaaase?

normal wyvern
charred kiln
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Omfg @vernal dune

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It is already in ranked as rww

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Thats a lot worse becuz u dont know if theres a berserk or not

lean nymph
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When u get achievement its bit buggy it appears and disappears and so one but after while its normal

iron girder
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^As you can see, the Status is green despite he being offline when I check his profile. This gets confusing when the person is actually offline. Mind actually either hiding it or putting it red once offline?

runic dragon
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Nerf zombie

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@iron girder don’t see the use for making it red but hiding it or saying it should show to be offline could be good

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@runic dragon how to nerf zombie

austere relic
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Could you also make medium unable to revive suicided people?

iron girder
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@runic dragon yeah but having to do it manually...

lethal storm
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when someone's ban is over, the ban message will stay for 2 weeks, to remind the player that they were banned recently
but a lot of players don't understand that it's just a reminder message, and think they are still ban (and contact us 😭)
so, when a player gets unban / ban over, the message should mention "ban over, this is a reminder"

iron girder
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^Reading this thought me of my previous suggestion that is in #feedback-devs . Maybe instead adding 10 minutes for every new ban, next ban can also decrease in time for every day the player isn't banned(and the warning is over). 1 minute/day.(Excluding the base ban time of course)

vernal dune
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@craggy dagger rww is unmodifiable, as it must remain like that for custom games.

@charred kiln Because you want so much wwb in ranked, i'll add that to #feedback-devs, but I'm mostly sure it won't get there because everyone currently wants wwb to be permantly removed from ranked, which contradicts your suggestion.

@lean nymph that is already known. It'll be fixed soon! Next time, use #bugs-readonly please 😁

@iron girder will add to #feedback-devs GWcmeisterPeepoLove

@runic dragon the devs will nerf them if they want, but currently they don't plan to do it.

@austere relic no need to translate easter eggs 😉
Secondly, med unable to rev suicided players is a nice idea, will add that to #feedback-devs 👍

@lethal storm Yes i'll add to #feedback-devs

lethal storm
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@vernal dune thxx

sudden dock
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I don't understand why masks cover hair

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They would look much better if the were under hair