speculations

[steep hinge]

I'm becoming too nice with yall

[olive prism]

Paci's reveal should be seen to everyone because that's how the role works

[wooden nexus]

I am not sending link

[steep hinge]

Me too

[last frigate]

i was scared of upgrading gww because i could get wolf paci, now I'm not

[frigid berry]

So

[dense quarry]

and +1 info when the paci ww shares the info

[lyric hare]

wwp change was kind of bad for the role?

[frigid berry]

We are gatekeeping?

[last frigate]

that argument didn't make sense lol

[coarse wolf]

I guess so

[tired yew]

i have a wolf paci card and i did not want it 💀

[steady quiver]

I'm still not upgrading gww tho
role's even rarer than shaman

[mighty fractal]

Can you tell if there are going to be new roles?

[olive prism]

absolutely

[steep hinge]

No

None roles

[coarse wolf]

I just thought there was an official announcement that I missed.

[lyric hare]

fan of vigi and jelly and hh change, not a fan of (ww)paci

[frigid berry]

😧

[steady quiver]

didn't want new roles anyway

[mighty fractal]

🫠

[last frigate]

it didn't "x should be x because it's x" that's a fallacy

[frigid berry]

Why no new roles😭

[steep hinge]

0 new roles

[coarse wolf]

That sucks

[thorny patrol]

@bitter wadi what is the blue card

[olive prism]

I was saying absolutely to your statement.

[tranquil vigil]

As predicted

[thorny spoke]

What is meant by “evil alliance”?

[mighty fractal]

Advanced role trial cards

[coarse wolf]

Almost every day we can vote for a new role in #dev-vote but theres hasnt been any sandbox testing as of late

[bitter wadi]

trial cards,you get to use a role with no perks for a limited time

[thorny patrol]

anyone that isn’t a village

[dense quarry]

solo killer + wolves

[wooden nexus]

If solo killers win, wws get more xp

[dense quarry]

wrong reply

[last frigate]

idk why all complaining, they buffed vigi, paci and wolf paci (wolf paci was useless, now it isn't)

[lyric hare]

lol

[dense quarry]

was meant for the evil alliance one

[thorny spoke]

Oh okay thanks

[wooden nexus]

And viceversa

[olive prism]

Vigi's fine but paci isn't

[steep hinge]

Looks fake so imma delete

[last frigate]

how, now paci doesn't need to bother revealing imortant roles

[wooden nexus]

There is also a veteran badge rework

[steep hinge]

Datebayo

[mighty fractal]

Is there any more features or nah

[hybrid thicket]

did you delete the pic?

[steep hinge]

Yes

[olive prism]

You should have let it here, speculation is speculation

[hybrid thicket]

ah

[lyric hare]

since they will know that paci has revealed, its even worse now. Vigi got nerfed since faking vigi is now a thing cuz people dont have to believe your info and dont see your Reveal

[steady quiver]

I saw the upgrade doc to legendary pic lmao, nah that's def fake

[steep hinge]

I don't wanna ruin the excitement

[hybrid thicket]

I read the text its real

[olive prism]

But how will you prove yourself as paci now?

[dense quarry]

but u still are wasting a voting phase plus ur not 100 percent confirmabke anymore

[last frigate]

yk vigi has a pew pew right?

[flat blade]

Paci and vigi nerf in one update

We eating good boys

[dense quarry]

vigi is not even nerfed badly eh

[olive prism]

I say that cause I didn't had time to see 😦

[marsh wyvern]

Yeah, 3 epic cards, 3 rare cards and 3 common cards. Well that's equal to 4 epic cards so why such an unnecessary change

[hybrid thicket]

fr

[steady quiver]

fool wins will increase by 300% by this I feel

[hybrid thicket]

it

's more a buff

[last frigate]

paci's aura is good, you can be checked by any seeing role

[dense quarry]

not a buff

[dense quarry]

still u dont get instant confiremd

[last frigate]

it's def a buff, mainly for paci ww

[mighty fractal]

Defo Fake

[dense quarry]

u can get mislynched or waste a check

[hybrid thicket]

it is

[lyric hare]

yeah, but for one day its still useless, gives hh a heads up etc

[steep hinge]

Fr

[wooden nexus]

It's real guys

[steady quiver]

paci can still claim day one and say they're gonna reveal someone. it's up to the wolves to cc fast enough tho

[dense quarry]

eh in sb maybe its a buff

[olive prism]

Oh qol

[hybrid thicket]

plus who holds them accountable for revealing day 1

[thorny spoke]

That’s probably not happening

[wooden nexus]

It is

[last frigate]

yall just like to complain

[wooden nexus]

Saw the blog

[olive prism]

I'm going to reveal 3, 3 is aww ! How will they trust you now they can't see a thing...

[lyric hare]

Im not complaining, vigi needed that change, but its not a "buff" as you called it

[wooden nexus]

It's real

[tranquil vigil]

Does paci still prevent voting?

[dense quarry]

yes

[tranquil vigil]

True

[last frigate]

i absolutely feel like this was needed and it was a buff for all three roles imo

[hybrid thicket]

it will, the text is essential here

[lyric hare]

well the other person can just say "no im vigi and 2 is canni"

[thorny spoke]

But why? What’s the point of that

[thorny patrol]

if u rely on insta reveals to prove urself as a villager I don’t think you’re a good villager

[marsh wyvern]

Hmm

[last frigate]

mainly for paci ww, which was useless

[wooden nexus]

This nerf can be bypassed, Just say "i claim paci, i'm going to reveal x at 24 seconds left"

[lyric hare]

and still is

it doesnt change a thing

[wooden nexus]

It makes upgrading cards easier

[frigid berry]

I mean

[tranquil vigil]

Lets see what happens

[olive prism]

I don't understand the change

[frigid berry]

U can still be wwpaci no?

[lyric hare]

ok, village wont know who git revealed

[steady quiver]

wait so instead of changing 5 epic to one legendary, you can change 2 epic 2 rare and 3 common to one legendary now?

[lyric hare]

but

[dense quarry]

eh ww paci could fake paci now for that case

[lyric hare]

the redt?

[dense quarry]

still might need a check

[last swan]

A WW or a fool could say the exact same thing tho lol

[steep hinge]

If you have a lot of role cards and want to upgrade them to a high rarity, combining all cards can be a hassle and usually requires to first upgrade a bunch of other cards before being able to upgrade the card you actually care about.

With this update cards being selected to sacrifice no longer need to be of a specific rarity, but instead can be anything below the target rarity. For example if you want to upgrade a card to legendary, you can sacrifice epic, rare and even common cards!

The total number of cards need to sacrifice remains the same, so if you intend to upgrade a card to legendary with common cards only, you will need to select a loooot of cards to sacrifice.

[thorny patrol]

that’s not a bad thing

[last frigate]

it does. Before you gave village another confirmed player which is the opposite you want. now you don't and you get info which is what you want

[wooden nexus]

If there is a system message, they can't

[last swan]

Exactly

[thorny patrol]

there should be no role that is insta provable

[frigid berry]

Lmao not the 1-1 copy paste lol

[steep hinge]

I've been too nice today time to gatekeep bc I'm evil

[marsh wyvern]

It isn't meant to make it Unprovable though

[lyric hare]

the problem with wwp isnt that, its that revealing wont save you from being lynched like gww does

if vigi shoots wwp, info gone

[thorny spoke]

Can u technically use 9 common cards?

[last swan]

I haven't actively seen it yet, but would make sense that there isn't

[olive prism]

Good point, but here an exemple. I was in Only Us, a part of villagers didn't know 16 were aura because of ww around them. Paci revealed 16 even if half of the village knew they were aura, the other part now know they are aura.

[dense quarry]

same as if vigi shoot gww

[lyric hare]

also why would u reveal an unchecked player??

[dense quarry]

so the point being?

[steady quiver]

seer has become more op than ever

[wooden nexus]

How would it stop voting?

[thorny patrol]

that’s only us though lmao

[lyric hare]

the point being is wwp point is to reveal a role to your fellow wws

[thorny patrol]

not a standard game mode

[last swan]

We'll see when it's there

[lyric hare]

Or reveal rk to village

[thorny patrol]

WWP works if it reveals to the whole ww team and not just themselves

[wooden nexus]

||If you have a lot of role cards and want to upgrade them to a high rarity, combining all cards can be a hassle and usually requires to first upgrade a bunch of other cards before being able to upgrade the card you actually care about.

With this update cards being selected to sacrifice no longer need to be of a specific rarity, but instead can be anything below the target rarity. For example if you want to upgrade a card to legendary, you can sacrifice epic, rare and even common cards|| spoiler alert

[steep hinge]

Now i need custom games premium

[lyric hare]

yep

[dense quarry]

its not public reveal anymore anyway so eh

[olive prism]

Now you explains all, yeah that's right. I just upgraded bunch of cards

[dense quarry]

it doesnt really matters

[lyric hare]

public would be better

[dawn cairn]

that can't be real

[lyric hare]

makes ww know whos doc for example

[dense quarry]

its still a save and a info

just a better gww now

[steep hinge]

It is

[thorny patrol]

public WWP reveal?? to all players? no

[marsh wyvern]

I can't wait to sacrifice 240 common cards for a mythical

[hybrid thicket]

100% real

[thorny spoke]

Ok got it, thanks

[lyric hare]

the point is that its not a safe and therefore not an info

also since when is wwp reveal good for info

[dawn cairn]

so ur saying to upgrade epic card to legendary u just need 6 common cards?

[olive prism]

So the vigi paci change is in all mode or just sandbox ? Better to be tested first...

[lyric hare]

cant tell me that u srsly reveal people to know their role

[dense quarry]

bc wwp reveal wont be public?

[hybrid thicket]

read the whol text, the last part

[lyric hare]

point of wwp reveal is that u WANT to make it public

[steady pike]

Wwp just reveal last sec so vigi wont shoot

[dense quarry]

u dont lol

[lyric hare]

like revealing rk so vill will not kill you

or revealing doc to other wolves which you cant now

[steady pike]

Paci didnt get a nerf, you can evade it

[dense quarry]

ur basically forced to reveal someone confirmed if u have to use ability early

after the change

[steep hinge]

One more leak?

[dense quarry]

u can get info easily

[steady quiver]

witch or jailer can still kill you lol, and ww still won't get that extra info

[dense quarry]

at late game it might not matter

[dawn cairn]

after reading, it's totally useless

[marsh wyvern]

No definitely not, it stops the voting already

[lyric hare]

yeah revealikg confirmed good players or revealing rk. Other options is bad skill

[steep hinge]

Nah

[thorny patrol]

since when

[hybrid thicket]

agree i will only use the old method

[lyric hare]

getting shot will however just make things worse

[steady pike]

And? Witch and jailer can kill gww too

[lyric hare]

worse gww

[dense quarry]

the reveal is only too themselves

idk how that is anywhere worse than be4

[marsh wyvern]

How?

[olive prism]

you answered yourself

[hollow elk]

More balance changes coming ?!

[lyric hare]

can be shot after safe

[steady pike]

Just a better gww now

[lyric hare]

No gww is guaranteed safe

[steep hinge]

No one replied

[hollow elk]

& still have a chance to be buffed ?

[olive prism]

I want more too

[dawn cairn]

Also it would be a waste if there's upgrade card event

[wooden nexus]

||Faster “Open all” for calendars and loot boxes|| another spoiler

[steady pike]

No

[steady quiver]

that's not the point... I'm saying the info should be revealed to all wws rather than just wwp themself bc chances are wwp is gonna die again at night by other means

[hollow elk]

is more safe if you put your jelly on you

[steep hinge]

Fine

[thorny spoke]

It’s actually better since there will be less “random revealing” for no reason and supposing you are paci who revealed doc by accident it minimizes the chance that doc dies too soon

[hollow elk]

Why ? They literally said " more balance changes in the announcements "

[dense quarry]

eh it doesnt need to

[lyric hare]

this is not the point

[mental moon]

Hey what happens if Paci reveals? Does the vote stop?

[thorny spoke]

Doesn’t this already exist?

[dense quarry]

a gww cant give info

[hollow elk]

& are going to outclass

[lyric hare]

A dead wwp cant either

[mighty fractal]

Yes, it is revealed that Paci revealed

[lyric hare]

you will see the problem when you play it

[dense quarry]

as if a dead gww does anything either

[steady quiver]

this is too confusing lol, I fee like the update is gonna get over a lot of ppl who don't frequent dc

[wooden nexus]

It opens the boxes one by one automatically now, this opens every box at once

[mighty fractal]

But not what role they revealed or who they revealed

[half oracle]

I wont play vigi anymore

[lyric hare]

they just DONT DIE BRO

[bitter wadi]

announcements :

[mental moon]

I guess you can just cc the Paci claim if they don’t claim before revealing

[half oracle]

Get a vigi card guys, dont play vigi

[steady pike]

Vigi got a bucf

Buff

[lyric hare]

nerf*

[steady quiver]

how?

[steep hinge]

The other balance changes suck

[half oracle]

That was a nerf

[lyric hare]

deserved tho

[dense quarry]

yeah bc vullets are just so coward eh

[mighty fractal]

Buff

[mental moon]

Why?

[half oracle]

Nah

It was very balanced

[dense quarry]

the same way they treat paci ww could be used for gww

[steady pike]

Now reveal has 0 risk

[half oracle]

Its only one bullet now

[wooden nexus]

If random revealing is going to be allowed then it's a buff

[half oracle]

Useless

[marsh wyvern]

Gww can be shot too, if that happens, village can still vote and they can vote another wolf. So you lose 2 wolves. But if wolf pacifist reveals and gets shot, they can't vote the other wolf. So you only lose 1 wolf. Same for jelly, you get shot but don't die, they can only lynch one of you. So again only 1 wolf died.

[mental moon]

Yes but you can still reveal
You can’t rlly fake vigi so I don’t see any diff tbh

[half oracle]

But u have to say "im vigi this person is ww"

[olive prism]

harder to report random reveals now

[half oracle]

And make them believe u

[steady pike]

Yes it will be allowed

[lyric hare]

yes. But if gww uses ability, he is safe. If wwp does, he isnt so his info just gets wasted and so does his ability

[dense quarry]

its just a one day delay

when u shot the bullet the info is proven anyway

[dawn cairn]

Random reveal is already a thing, with or without report

[half oracle]

Okay

We ll see the changes

[steady pike]

What happens if vigi knows whos doc? why it should be reportable

[half oracle]

Yeah village usually gives consent

[marsh wyvern]

Just reveal last second so they don't have enough time to shoot you

[hollow elk]

If we don't have a new role 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[steady pike]

New vigi is just op

[clever coyote]

vigi won't be blamed now 😂

[thorny spoke]

Random reveal was against the rules unless the village all agreed to it

[steady pike]

Bro.. just reveal last sec

[thorny spoke]

Otherwise it’s reportable

[steady quiver]

reveal had 0 risk before too

[lyric hare]

yeah but you know if im paci, my point is to reveal roles to all wws or at least to all village in case rk reveal

[mental moon]

But what does that actually mean?
Can a whole team of faking wws object to that?

[wooden nexus]

There is no new role

[dawn cairn]

Most games vigi just random rev anyway

[steady pike]

I agree

[half oracle]

Even a few ppl is enough

[thorny spoke]

Doesn’t make it right

[dawn cairn]

It became kinda part of game

[half oracle]

To not get reported

[lyric hare]

thats why they changed it

[steady pike]

But still had like %10 risk

[half oracle]

Astro should get a nerf too

[wooden nexus]

At least they did something good for new players

[steady pike]

Like revealing med when nww ig

[dawn cairn]

lol astro

[steady quiver]

but now reveal is private, instead of known to everyone, so therefore it is a nerf...

[lyric hare]

Wwp and paci didnt need this nerf, when theres things like astro and wolfflu

[dense flint]

Yes

[marsh wyvern]

So now does this mean random reveal as vigi and paci is not reportable?

[half oracle]

Astro is just baby mode

Annoying

[dense flint]

U reveal doc and say he is good

Reveal ww and apeak

It's buff

[dawn cairn]

If astro ig just flee

[lyric hare]

it was never reportable, just bad sportsmanship

[mental moon]

But then if vigi reveals vill they can just claim vio 😭

[half oracle]

Pay to win = astro

[steady pike]

You can confirm someone good as vigi bro

You get info

[marsh wyvern]

It was reportable

[steady pike]

Without showing role

[lyric hare]

it had no consequences

[steady pike]

0 Risk

[thorny spoke]

Imagine revealing doctor

[lyric hare]

sometimes you have to

This will support vigi evil cpls

[steady quiver]

lol as a flagger player I rejoice when docs get random revealed

[mental moon]

You can just claim protector saving X if no kills

[dawn cairn]

it is reportable
But no one reports and no one get banned

[unique quest]

They ruined vigi but at least I alredy have the win achievement maxxed🥲

[half oracle]

Then u can say out loud ".. is doc"

[steady quiver]

free redirect right there

[steady pike]

buffed
buffed
nothing happened

[lyric hare]

Unless youre cpled to the fake

[marsh wyvern]

I report for that

[thorny spoke]

I mean if u reveal doctor by accident and that’s public village would have serious problems. After the change this whole thing won’t be an issue

[dawn cairn]

it's not rly a buff for vigi

[half oracle]

Thats also possible

[mental moon]

actually has to claim BEFORE revealing so like nice

[thorny spoke]

It is a clear buff

[steady pike]

Imagine getting a seer info at day

[marsh wyvern]

Nah for paci it's a slight nerf. But for cupid/instigator/sect leader it's a huge buff

[lyric hare]

Srsly no more direct or indirect insti buffs pls

[mental moon]

I’ve seen pacis just revealing

[steady pike]

Yep

[half oracle]

Paci can say "8 is good" withoyt showing 8 is doc to wws

So it may count as a buff

In yalls logic

[mental moon]

I’m def killing 8 tn as ww

[lyric hare]

Can be faked easy tho

[half oracle]

Then kill whoever aura says good

[lyric hare]

Like really easy

[half oracle]

It doesnt work like that

[mental moon]

But how?

[half oracle]

They still check and kill med

Lol

Not the good info

[half oracle]

Maybe

[lyric hare]

people can just claim paci and give wrong info

[half oracle]

But the game says "trust no one" so

[mental moon]

But usually good=rrv/doc/priest

[thorny spoke]

Vigi can still shoot

[half oracle]

Make it confusing

A little bit

So ppl can manipulate

[mental moon]

But wouldn’t village see that the vote isn’t stopped?

[dawn cairn]

New vigi will have to reveal himself if revealed evil player

[wooden nexus]

Predictions on system messages
Vigi: no system message
Pacifist: The pacifist has revealed someone, there will be no vote today
Wolf pacifist: The pacifist has revealed someone, there will be no vote today

[lyric hare]

cool for vigi but doesnt change that paci is now a fakable role

day one two people claim paci and you have no idea whos real

[half oracle]

Also fc lm

[lyric hare]

you just dont

[half oracle]

And useless roles

[steady pike]

Maybe very small nerf

[lyric hare]

next thing: lm reveal is only visible to lm

[thorny spoke]

Oh

[mental moon]

🤣

[half oracle]

That would be TRASH

[steady pike]

You just "im paci, revealing 3 now i will tell his role"

[half oracle]

I would get a Lm card

[steady pike]

You even can confirm someone good

[half oracle]

Immediately

[steady quiver]

lmao

[steady pike]

U get a seer info

[half oracle]

Next thing: gunner has one bullet 💀

[thorny spoke]

If you do what Fool just said this won’t be an issue

[lyric hare]

what if u evil and claim.paci day one

[mental moon]

“Hey X you should reveal Y”

[lyric hare]

Noone can prove that the real paci is the real paci or that yokre fake

[lyric hare]

noone will see the reveal

so thats that

[mental moon]

The vote would be stopped

So if vote isn’t stopped then you didn’t reveal

[lyric hare]

yes, ok. But the other paci claim cant reveal you

[half oracle]

Gunner can also be alert and shoot paci in last 2 seconds

[lyric hare]

ok true, tell that to people in quick game tho😂

[mental moon]

Nuh uh you go there 🙈

[lyric hare]

or wwp

can now fake recealing another wolf even if it was villager

so maybe its not as bad

[half oracle]

Yeah

[marsh wyvern]

Vigi/gunner/bully's role won't be revealed when they kill

[half oracle]

More room for manipulation

[thorny spoke]

For wwp it’s a meaningful change for wws

[half oracle]

That would be a buff and a nerf at the same time

But mostly buff

[thorny spoke]

Honestly an issue would happen if wwp AND paci are in same game

[half oracle]

Cuz dont get attacked

[thorny spoke]

Too many confusion might happen in game

[mental moon]

“I cc 8, I am ACTUALLY vigi and 8 fool”

[lyric hare]

this will change the ✨meta✨

[half oracle]

Expected from a game like this

[mental moon]

And then jelly wolf saves you

[half oracle]

The game's thing is confusing people

[marsh wyvern]

Too bad, now there's almost no point to play jelly

[half oracle]

I dont think it was so useful

They always protected themselves

And dies last

Whats the point

[mental moon]

Why?

[marsh wyvern]

It was useful

[half oracle]

It wasnt, they couldnt even activate it in most games

They were so focused on protecting themselved

That couldnt save a single ww

[marsh wyvern]

Because gww is less risky and easier while wwp is just better and probably less risky too.

[half oracle]

Till end game

[thorny spoke]

In my opinion gww is more important

[half oracle]

Yes cuz it can change protection during day

[thorny spoke]

Cuz gww actually does sth ig while jelly were always protecting themselves

[mental moon]

Yeah but jelly stops night kills but wait, can jelly change at day?

[half oracle]

No

[marsh wyvern]

No

[thorny spoke]

Yup

[half oracle]

That makes it useless, they always choose themselves as jelly and other wws get checked

They cant protect

[mental moon]

oh you actually HAVE to try and guess who is checked

[steady pike]

Voting stops when u reveal

[half oracle]

Yes

Or luck

[steady pike]

If ur saying wwp i cant tell smth

[half oracle]

Or skin tg

[mental moon]

They should make it so voting is canceled LAST SEC

[half oracle]

Gunner can shoot last second

I would personally do that, open the shoot page and wait to click yes lol

[mental moon]

No like,
(The village didn’t lynch anyone as pacifist actually canceled it)

[marsh wyvern]

The reason why both wwp and jelly was better than gww is because when they use ability they limit village's kill. If there's only 1 village killer, then for both wwp and jelly, village can only get 1 wolf killed. But of village killer kills gww they can lynch another wolf, so 2 wolves are killed

[mental moon]

Even when someone had 15 votes

[half oracle]

If you are getting voted as sus, and use paci last sec, u are probbly ww, so i will shoot last sec too

I will be alert

[marsh wyvern]

Wwp was less risky than jelly but it gave village free info, while jelly was more risky but didn't help village. But now wwp is just better than jelly

[mental moon]

No no no, like, whenever you reveal: it doesn’t stop the MOMENT you reveal
When it’s voting phase, people should vote but they count nothing and at the end the system message says “vote canceled”
That’s my suggestion

[half oracle]

Ooh

So u wont see when paci is activated

[mental moon]

Yeah

[marsh wyvern]

Why buff wwp further?

[half oracle]

But that would do the same for normal paci

[clever coyote]

it's a bit worse for vigi if shadow activated ?

[marsh wyvern]

Aggressive shadow sucks

[mental moon]

Oh so faking Paci gets easier
Cuz should really be in

[half oracle]

U can still say ".. is ww" after revealing

Or ask role and shoot

[dense quarry]

eh if vigi isnt the one getting killed, it doesnt change very much

[half oracle]

It does, during shadow wws can also pretend to be vigi

And get U or other ppl voted

As ww

[dense quarry]

u can shoot them

[mental moon]

You can say “shadow on seer but if vigi reveals us, we vote vigi”

[half oracle]

U cant if u revealed

U cant

[dense quarry]

then u could just wait eh

[marsh wyvern]

But wwp became very strong and out classed jelly and gww already. Your attempt to nerf paci will make wwp even stronger

[half oracle]

They will be waiting for u to say "i revealed .." and they ll claim the same thing

[half oracle]

So wait and let seer die

U cant reveal

Its a nerf

U cant deny it then

[dense quarry]

then u literally just dont tell ur info

u still can do the same tmr

[last frigate]

This is all so skibidi

[dense quarry]

and they cant fake it

[half oracle]

What if u found a ww during SHADIW

[dense quarry]

u wait

[mental moon]

Hmm but then what’s the point of hiding Paci reveal if it can be instantly proven ANYWAYS

[half oracle]

Seer will die

[dense quarry]

med exist

[half oracle]

With no target to vote

[last frigate]

i feel like there will be a civil war in wv discord server

[half oracle]

Still a nerf

[dense quarry]

plus if u die its worse tbh

[half oracle]

Normally vigi can easily save seer

Without needing med

[dense quarry]

not significant enough

[half oracle]

Its a nerf in this way

U cant reveal during shadow like u always do

And i mean reveal to everyone

[marsh wyvern]

Eh it buffs instigator/cupid/sect leader

[half oracle]

And actually save seer

[dense quarry]

evils will have more votes most time anyway

[half oracle]

Not really

[mental moon]

Ye but it doesn’t actually help evils anyways

[half oracle]

I saw lots of vill win in voting during shadow

Not like i want baby mode for village btw, maybe it will be good for me when im we

Ww

[dense quarry]

prob bc the rk and wolves dont think the same way eh

[mental moon]

This is a counting mini game
At day one with one kill. Out of 15 players there are 4 wws and two solos

So 9v10

[dense quarry]

as long as no evils is killed n1 and theres kill

[half oracle]

They have alpha

And things

[dense quarry]

it will at least be a tie

[half oracle]

They should organise

[half oracle]

Yeah but wws can die too

[mental moon]

I’m blaming that hungry canni

[dense quarry]

if a ww die why would shadow go agressive

[half oracle]

U may not be in day 1

[last frigate]

when will they reveal what the cards are?

[half oracle]

Dont think like its always day one guys

[half oracle]

It can still work

U know

[mental moon]

Yeah but if on day one you can, then most of the times you could in any other day

[half oracle]

I dont like this change

But sure

It may benefit me

As a ww

[dense quarry]

u dont have more votes than them

[half oracle]

Haha

[mental moon]

“I want more changes”

[half oracle]

U can

If they dont have a target

Thats where vigi is important

And should have the right to

Reveal

[last frigate]

imagine it ends up in 50/50

[half oracle]

Making u %100 sure

[dense quarry]

which is where many vill info comes in

[steady quiver]

vigi update will lead to more hh wins

[dense quarry]

no shot they cant find someone to sac for the seer

[half oracle]

Only 2 ig

[half oracle]

Most of the time they cant

They just say "ehh who will we go"

[dense quarry]

its just skill issue meh

[half oracle]

And seer dies

Lol

[half oracle]

I dont want to babysit ppl then

Just reveal and make them sure

Lol

[steady quiver]

Any idea what option 2 can be?

[amber swallow]

How is vigi done good

[dense quarry]

trial role cards

prob that

[thick lotus]

Whats that

[steep hinge]

Funny

[ocean ore]

You found the right word: abomination

[steady quiver]

Whats that, can you explain briefly?

[amber swallow]

Everything got leaked

[dense quarry]

here

[half oracle]

Woah?

[steep hinge]

.

[steady quiver]

Hmmm

It is only useful for beginners I guess

[thick lotus]

So whats #4

[half oracle]

What if u get the role that you couldnt get for a long time?

[humble current]

Probably custom games additions

Like it always has been

[dense quarry]

custom game changes probably

[steady quiver]

Not for me

[dense quarry]

just minor ones

[steady quiver]

Yeah

[dense quarry]

like adding the new modes

[steady quiver]

Imagine assassin mode being added

[steady quiver]

NICEEEE

[half oracle]

Monthly card limit is so bad imo

[dense quarry]

last will is gonna be fun though

the other 2 is meh

[steady quiver]

Bst players smiling

[half oracle]

Whats bst

[humble current]

Boosters

[steady quiver]

Yep

[half oracle]

I still think its bad

[steady quiver]

Or they would get all mythics in a week lol

[humble current]

Yeah I agree it's bad

[half oracle]

Im not saying it should be endless

So no

They wouldnt

[steady quiver]

But I agree

[half oracle]

30 is a very low

[steady quiver]

If it would be 60

[half oracle]

Number

[half oracle]

Yesss

[steady quiver]

Instead of 30

[half oracle]

Even just 40 is enough for me 😔

[steady quiver]

So at least we could get 5 epic cards (60/12)

[dense quarry]

40 is prob more reasonable

60 is a bit too much

[wheat pumice]

40/50 is good

[steady quiver]

Which is equal to one legendary

[hollow elk]

SO WILL THERE BE NEW ROLES?

[half oracle]

We should make a feedback and like it guys

[dense quarry]

nope

[humble current]

no

[half oracle]

Say make the montly card limit 40/50

[hollow elk]

16 weeks of no contents wow

[steady quiver]

Just the ones exisiting

[half oracle]

What do u say?

[hollow elk]

We didn't get new roles since January it's crazy

[steady quiver]

I am full supporting you

In that

[half oracle]

Who will create the tag?

[steady quiver]

Idk

You

[humble current]

#speculations message can we have more votes

[hollow elk]

doesn't deserve to be counted

[steady quiver]

Imo vigi update kinda killed vigi lovers🥲

I never random revealed with vigi and but reveal is very good

Especially to prevent hh/fool wins

Now someone can fake claim vigi

[amber swallow]

😐

[humble current]

Good

[half oracle]

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1234221581169852486

[humble current]

Screw you and your vigi

[dense quarry]

nah still cant fake claim vigi

[half oracle]

Created it

[steady quiver]

You can

[dense quarry]

vigi still have a bullet

[humble current]

Not true

[half oracle]

You can, if vigi revealed

[steady quiver]

For the next day

Too late sometimes

[half oracle]

Yeah in shadow

[dense quarry]

yeah but again vigi could wait till tmr

[half oracle]

Or getting voted

[humble current]

Brother the real vigilante would just shoot tje fake

[half oracle]

Situations

[half oracle]

Tomorrow may be too late

[dense quarry]

as long as they dont get killed its alright for them tbh

[half oracle]

What if real one gets voted out

Or shadow kills seer because vigu couldnt prove whos ww to vote?

[amber swallow]

I would vote but don’t agree with the 2 because of vigi

[dense quarry]

if its that late then its d4 or what?

[half oracle]

Imagine u shadow d3 and enough ppl from both teams

And vigi revealed a ww

Cuz no voting target

[steady quiver]

Vigi died for me 🙂

[dense quarry]

then whats the vig doing

[steady quiver]

Only gunner from now on

[dense quarry]

they could alr revealed be4 then

[half oracle]

Then other wws will say "no im vigu and ... is ww instead" and confuse ppl

So wws will vote seer

While villagers splitting

And boom

[amber swallow]

Lmao nothing changed it’s a buff

[half oracle]

Vigi nerf

[steady quiver]

Lol a lot of things changed

[half oracle]

In a different perspective

[steady quiver]

We already mentioned above

[half oracle]

Yeah

[amber swallow]

I don’t understand players that think vigi isn’t toxic

[humble current]

I absolutely love that you can reveal already revealed players now

anti zombie

[amber swallow]

And like op roles

[steady quiver]

Not everyone "cheating" with vigi

[half oracle]

Cuz its balanced

[half oracle]

Yeah then take everyone's abilities

Cuz everyone can cheat

Delete witch from the game then

[amber swallow]

You just said it’s simpler to play and prevents hh / fool wins?

[half oracle]

Or manage that op asstro first

[steady quiver]

It is about gamethrowing... Not role's fault

[half oracle]

Yeah

Astro should be nerfed

[amber swallow]

It’s the role

[half oracle]

Not vigi

[half oracle]

Then remove witch from the game

[amber swallow]

Understand that witch has a risk, vigi doesn’t risk anything

[half oracle]

Vigi reveals ww and hh can still win

[half oracle]

It does

It risks getting doc killed

And killing randomly

[steady quiver]

Witch has nothing to risk

[amber swallow]

🤣 arguing with fools

[steady quiver]

Just kills

[dense quarry]

yeah and ww cant fake doc?

[half oracle]

Just because we didnt agree we are not fools

Name calling

Wont make u right

[amber swallow]

witch has only a kill potion right?

No reveal potion

[half oracle]

Yeah just one role cant be faked

Others can

[dense quarry]

then what role is there left

[half oracle]

We dont need a baby mode for anyone

Wws can play hard too

[dense quarry]

either informers

bullet or med

[half oracle]

Bh is there

Just not doc

[dense quarry]

yeah but every evil gonna cling to that claim now

[half oracle]

U wont lose entire game with one less role to claim

[dense quarry]

hows that better

[half oracle]

There are other roles too

[dense quarry]

its either rrvs or the 2 protectors which are easy claim

[hollow elk]

buff finally !

buff .......... Okay it's needed but is op.........

Revealing already revealed player is a so good thing for or even

buff is quite good

is a huge buff in Rk games

[half oracle]

Btw u said its role's fault that ppl are throwing, thats why we are saying u can throw with witch too

And lots of ppl do

That is where it doesnt make sense

[dense quarry]

eh its just fixing a wolfflu loophole

[half oracle]

If u spare witch and

Punish vigi lol

Plus vigi has to be a rsv

Not rrv

[steady quiver]

It is rsv 🤨

[half oracle]

I know

[hollow elk]

buff makes it even more better than lol 😂

[half oracle]

They are trying to make it

[wooden nexus]

Sorc buff is useless

[half oracle]

Equal to witch

[steady quiver]

Lol

[half oracle]

They are trying to make it

That way

[humble current]

You're useless

[half oracle]

But witch is rv

[steep hinge]

Wolffluencer buff? Where

[hollow elk]

Useless in 95% of the games but still a buff

[half oracle]

And vigi as to be a sv

[humble current]

It's not a buff

[half oracle]

So cant be equalized to witch in power

[humble current]

It's a fix for a stupid abuse

[hollow elk]

It's just a bug correction

[wooden nexus]

In what situation can it be useful?

[dense quarry]

eh its loophole fix not a buff

[steep hinge]

What is it

[humble current]

You know when mayors flee at day so that wolfflu can't use their vote?

[dense quarry]

the influenced wont immediately die if they flee

[hollow elk]

You know , target influenced if they flee have their death delayed

So it's a buff for

won't flee anymore lol

[humble current]

It's not a buff for

[dense quarry]

aka the influenced cant use that to help vill anymore

[humble current]

it's a nerf for bug abusers

[wooden nexus]

The sorc change is not a buff/nerf

[half oracle]

What did they change in sorc?

[wooden nexus]

If no informer is in game, you will be disguised as seer

[half oracle]

Thats a bit stupid

[hollow elk]

change is as useless as the role itself

[ebon linden]

Whatttt

[dense quarry]

i dont remember if sorc can disguise if only informers are in random role

[amber swallow]

🤦🏻 you’re assuming it’s throwing when I’m talking about the role. Reveals shouldn't be a thing unless it comes with condition or risk and vigilante doesn't have it. It having no risk or counterplay is what makes it unhealthy for the game and it outright punishes werewolf for bluffing in a game about deception. Werewolves are damned if they fake claimed and damned if they didn't

[wooden nexus]

Basically seer sees you as seer

If that's what they meant

[steep hinge]

Phillipp is gonna make testing roles soon (I think) but idk the role

[half oracle]

It has risks such as getting med killed

[ebon linden]

Nice

[dense quarry]

bc if they cant disguise ig its a fix for that?

[humble current]

Based

[amber swallow]

Lol

[dense quarry]

seer is still an informer eh

[humble current]

Skill issue

[steep hinge]

I've revealed everything

[amber swallow]

I’m talking about the reveal

[steep hinge]

...

[half oracle]

And a different ww can still fake claim another thing after the reveal

[steep hinge]

Now I've ungatekeeped

[wooden nexus]

Could work in rsv games if seer is the only informer

[half oracle]

So one villager that can solve just ONE fake claim wont make wws lose if they play good

[half oracle]

Me too

Reveal can dmg your team too

[wooden nexus]

Or all random

[half oracle]

Woth the thing

[humble current]

hey you

[half oracle]

I just said

[amber swallow]

Ain’t trying anymore 😂 you won’t understand a thing

[wooden nexus]

But you know

It's nothing much

[humble current]

Screenshot your Team stats right now

I bet you only play village

[last frigate]

hey, what are yall talkin bout

[rapid birch]

@humble current @amber swallow I advise not insulting others, thanks

[half oracle]

I do understand, i just dont agree

[ebon linden]

I missed what the disagreement is … seems to be about Sorc and revealing them?

[half oracle]

Thats all

[amber swallow]

Where did I insult

[half oracle]

Its none of your business, im sharing my opinion

[half oracle]

U called us fools

[amber swallow]

💀

[last frigate]

what are yall discussing about?

[rapid birch]

🎱Look at your past posts, you know it to be true

[half oracle]

Vigi

[humble current]

then you play only village

it is clear

[last frigate]

oh

[amber swallow]

What has my past post have to do with the current convo

[half oracle]

You cant know that and its none of your business

I can still have the same opinion by playing wws

So?

[humble current]

#speculations message btw vote on this

[last frigate]

it wasn't a buff nor a nerf imo

[half oracle]

Im not forced to ask for a baby mode for wws just because i play ww

[humble current]

You wouldn't

You play ww like this

[half oracle]

I can still objectively share my opinion

[humble current]

• Sit, stay silent and wait until you get lucky

[half oracle]

I would

You couldnt know that

[amber swallow]

It’s more of a popular quote

Than an insult

The fools thing

[humble current]

don't bother arguing with mods it just makes things worse

[half oracle]

Instead of replying to my argument you are trying to attack me and act like u know how i play

[humble current]

personal experience

[rapid birch]

You called everyone fools, that's what- thus, I advise not insulting others, thanks

[humble current]

I'm seeing the type of people who like the vigi change

[amber swallow]

Quotes are warn worthy

[humble current]

and I only asked for your Team stats page

[half oracle]

I didnt use any name for you just because u dont agree with me

Maybe thats why

[humble current]

Which is literally the section with the most useless information

Except for this case

[last frigate]

if you called everyone fools, your argument is not valid since you committed the fallacy "Ad Hominem"

[amber swallow]

💀 you got insulted by a quote

[half oracle]

You cant know the full audience

[rapid birch]

Insulting others and calling them something rude is verbal warn worthy yes, just because 'it's a quote' doesn't make it fine

[half oracle]

Again, its none of your business if you dont reply to the argument and try to point at me instead

Reply to the argument, dont bring the person

[humble current]

Okay? I asked this person that's clearly enthusiastic about their point to show me this statistic but instead they feel attacked by it

Ok mate

I have done replying to the argument

#speculations message btw vote

[half oracle]

Its an objective truth, you should reply to the argument instead of bringing the person themself in it

[half oracle]

Its obvious yeah

You never dud

Did

[half oracle]

Its not about "you taking it as an insult" its about you using it just because i didnt agree lol

[lone spade]

👀

[half oracle]

I dont have to, i remember how u talked in the argument

Thats why im saying this

[humble current]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-yawn-yawn-princess-sleepy-gif-13136066

[half oracle]

You dont know how i play wws

[amber swallow]

attempted to clarify why the role is toxic until it seemed pointless. Who wants to engage in disputes with people who are unreasonable or unwilling to listen? But hey gj at almost understanding the quote without taking it as an insult

[half oracle]

And i can still have the opposite opinion and not play like u think

[half oracle]

Im not crying, im stating a fact

[amber swallow]

Chill I didnmt wanna insult anyone

I’m not a kid

[half oracle]

Because you complained about the warning

And im explaining

Why its right to you

[lone spade]

let’s all keep this discussion respectful

[half oracle]

Im chill, im just explaining

[humble current]

that's minimodding no

[flat blade]

FooleryPerformance was spitting straight facts

[half oracle]

If the person who got called names is me

[last frigate]

the argument has no meaning when you insult the person you're talking to

[half oracle]

Then its not

[half oracle]

The situation was about me

Like im not a third person

[amber swallow]

go spreading misinformation

[lone spade]

@humble current keep it respectful.

[half oracle]

I can reply to what u said

[half oracle]

Misinformation about what?

Everyone saw that

[last frigate]

what are you even arguing about?

[lone spade]

There isn‘t a point in continuing this discussion.

[half oracle]

Vigi

Yeah

[last frigate]

the changes?

[half oracle]

Yeah

[humble current]

#speculations message

[last frigate]

it has good points and bad points, there's no need to argue over that

[half oracle]

I agree

[rotund river]

omgg love the new update

vigi paci and wwp

🤩

finally i can survive without being random revealed day 1😇

[lone spade]

I feel this so much

on the other hand, throwers will always find a way to throw and prolly lie about your role if they want to get you out 😭

[dawn cairn]

the more important thing back in game

[humble current]

that doesn't count

throwers affect everything regardless of buff or nerf

[lone spade]

yup, as I said, they‘ll always find a way to throw xD just wanted to highlight that I know my luck and it’s going to happen eventually xD

[dawn cairn]

gunner thrower flee is my favorite

[humble current]

my favorite is night two:

"The witch killed 14 (Medium)"
"9 has fled from the village."

[wooden nexus]

Witch random killing and then fleeing is always fun ||they get reported in half a second||

Unless you are the one that gets killed

[rotund river]

if someone flees its auto report

i dont bother to report then

[dawn cairn]

classic witch

[wooden nexus]

Unless it's ethical fleeing

Or they flee because they mess up

[amber swallow]

It won’t stop random revealing

[rotund river]

but the village doesnt know right

so whats the problem

everyone can claim vigi now

[amber swallow]

Vigi does know

[amber swallow]

Get shot

[rotund river]

ye but 9 gww at the end of the day

doesnt sound trustable

[amber swallow]

It doesn’t have a risk, vigi can still random reveal without people knowing

[rotund river]

ye?

but thats for vigi themselves

[amber swallow]

nothing changed it’s a slight buff because it’s not public

[rotund river]

if u kill vigi they cant even share it

[rotund river]

buff?

[amber swallow]

it still has the reveal part that’s toxic, nothing changed to make it a nerf

It’s the same

[rotund river]

the reveal part is useless

[tranquil vigil]

Are you sure? Reveal was op and abused

[amber swallow]

It’s not

[rotund river]

1. u need trust
2. u have more room to fake vigi

[amber swallow]

why do people complain if the reveal part is useles

[rotund river]

because people arent happy with what they get

[finite nest]

Sooo no one is talking about buff

[rotund river]

and always keep complaining no matter what

[amber swallow]

It’s a social deduction game vigi’s ability is the best at countering this. I'm not expressing dissatisfaction with the vigilante just for the sake of it. Those who often only want to play as villager will naturally favor overpowered roles, while players who frequently play with the evil alliance team comprehend how vigi’s reveal has an impact

[rotund river]

what about seer?

wolf seer

tough guy

[tranquil vigil]

Its ok. Wolf paci was a bit weak

[rotund river]

pacis before the update

loudmouth

[amber swallow]

#speculations message

[steep hinge]

Nice

[finite nest]

In fact i am happy for it

[amber swallow]

I agree with seer

[rotund river]

but vigis reveal not being public

makes it that as evil u get more free space

[prisma pollen]

Next update reveal whenn

[hallow quail]

What???

Ohh that's good

But for vigi and paci idk

Means that the votes stop and someone has to say " I claim paci, 8 is ww " ?

And the revealed person doesn't know ?

@dawn cairn as 4 lol

[steep hinge]

@dawn cairn I'm a skibidi toilet capybara

[hallow quail]

I don't think sharing ur in game informations on discord is allowed but everyone is sleeping so that's ok xd

[tranquil vigil]

Wdym

[hallow quail]

U can't send ss from an actual game

Uk

Not to give informations

[tranquil vigil]

You can. Not ongoing games tho

[hallow quail]

That's what Im saying

[steep hinge]

Oh shit I forgot

[tranquil vigil]

Report then if you think they are posting ongoing ganes

[steep hinge]

OH no

[hallow quail]

Idc af lol

[tranquil vigil]

This doesn't make sense and bothers me

[hallow quail]

?

[humble current]

guys

I think in the rules it says minimodding isn't allowed

idk tho I'm not a mod

just saying it was an interesting finding

[tranquil vigil]

Yes. Something like this is considered minimodding

Very interesting how we can be breaking rules without trying

[humble current]

What? You cannot determine that, that might be minimodding too I think

Idk ask a mod

(I am saying this as to not contradict myself while making this statement)

[tranquil vigil]

We never know. Which is why we have mods

[dawn cairn]

i haven't seen it

[hallow quail]

LOL FR

And dumb bans

There's no link but that's dumb too

[hallow quail]

Rip

[half oracle]

Can u get banned for saying that? Lol

[hallow quail]

Saying what? "Dumb"? Pretty sure u can

[dawn cairn]

Guess when i was conji

[half oracle]

Saying dumb to bans

And staff decisions

Yeah im sure too lol

[solid abyss]

Got what he dersves

Finally

[hallow quail]

An ugly rainy icon ?

[plush hollow]

Technically mmod+

[dawn cairn]

I wouldn't say ugly

Why is rainy cal in may btw

[half oracle]

I like it so much

I could buy the calendar just for that but i dont have that wolf lol

And im f2p

[solid abyss]

Role re-work

[dawn cairn]

in time you will

[dawn cairn]

What's that

[solid abyss]

Do you think can like that Icon when I make my own?

Like :3 my lover as wolfu icon is this

[half oracle]

Creative

Using the strings for

[solid abyss]

When someone controled flee their body will decay at night pahse

[half oracle]

Carring a thing

But where are the strings attached too?

Sorry i pay too much attention to details lol

[solid abyss]

So wolfu no longer lose vote in ethical flee

[dawn cairn]

Shame i can't flee anymore

[solid abyss]

Under the choker

[half oracle]

Yeah fleeing was threatening back then lol

[half oracle]

All three of them?

[solid abyss]

Yeah

[half oracle]

Idk how is it staying balanced like that on the wolf's head

But still creative lol

[solid abyss]

Its normally made y2k style wolf and metal or rock n roll style mix

:3

[half oracle]

Good

Its good

[hallow quail]

It's cool and at least the designer would be kind ig ?

Sadly it doesn't look like wolfflu that much but way better than the other one

[half oracle]

Yeah i thought it was shadow (i know not related but mouth and color and stuff)

[solid abyss]

Thats why the manipulation is made by speaker and the strings attach to him is slowly make the wolf in control with sound

[half oracle]

But they can modify it to look more like wolfflu

Still a good idea

[half oracle]

Yeah a magical speaker that corrupts people

Sounds cool

[solid abyss]

:D

[half oracle]

Best ones were

[hallow quail]

Ur lover ?

[half oracle]

Alpha wolf being dressed as granny (i have that)

And conju dressed as

Little red riding hood

Its amazing lol

[solid abyss]

I simp my icon 😅

[grizzled hearth]

Manipulated by music, such a Bard move

[solid abyss]

cough

[half oracle]

Cool!

[grizzled hearth]

Noice!

[hallow quail]

I wish u could replace sk, I hate them since today bahaha