#speculations
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I can see you name is pink aswell lol
i hate how i got the worst ones of them all
guys how can I take thıs role ıcon
lmao right
They will most likely
If you have bg or gl icon send a rose to other user who have other icon
Bg should send gl
Pink is fun!
Gl should send bg
I need green jelly wolf witj slime asthetich
grab the new bg/gl icon and get in a game with the corresponding role
must be side by side
You got GL!!! How is that worst one
What’s that!! Haha the blue Christmas jelly wolf was good
its far from worst but i have princess 😔
You got baby lm too! 2 in 1
The dad isn’t good looking tho 🫣
I agree woth him
Pink gl > White gl > Blue gl > Mythic gl = Golden gl > Normal gl
Its not in game but that can be good to obtain
I don’t like it personally. But I would just get it for baby
but pride bg, maybe not
Last
what last
Mafia
whats pink gl? princess?
Yep
I think rose is not necessary
oh it was the one before right
Other player say they obtain when send rose each other
Honestly, I got the icon being afk, so idk
lol
you dont need roses fyi
i got it without roses
Flo please 🙏 be reasonable with birthday role icons. Think of the children. Even if this game is supposed to be 16+ 🤡
what?
what are children?
they have teeth, apparently 🤷♀️
So we can assume
B-day 1-14 marc -> 2 from weekly and 14 from daily if I play daily + 2 join = 18 + 20 + 4 -> 42 card / 12 = 3.5 -> So I can only get 3 icon so if I get 10 card pack -> I can get 52 card / 12 = 4.33 -> 4 icon
what are teeth
food smashers
lore of what
ur not supposed to be able to get em all
Wov new offical lore
I just want 23b day
You know simp ?
simp
Yeah bg simp for rl
So this make rl family make sense after all
Cause ghost lady was red lady
?
He cpuldnt move on rls dead
So if I'm not wrong bg and gl icon need to "marry" each other in order to get baby lm ? 😭
So he is simper?
Yeah
Thats why we get my lore
ofc
and this means that lm sucks ass
speaking of which im sure bg is a sub
why simp over your wife
lore wise ofc a
goals
smart
If we think
Rl and Bg family as their life
Rl -> Gl
Bg -> Tg ( he go millitary to learn see evils who attacl them in his younger ages ) -> Sa ( after getting used to see evils he can replica informers and get tired of foght , his older life )
stop thinking
ALCH ICON
U dont deserve it i do
cap
lıke ıf my number ıs 16 the other user need to be 15?
yes
dont cook pls
oki thx
Giys should I make families like lore 🤡
And connact all lore to each other
To make everything worse
granny x judge
🤣
In wov gameplay it would make sense, BUT DONT COOK
😌
i need this from you @solid abyss
Cook is for good or bad
You know if we make role woth ages to learn abiliteis
Then this make when granny is old judge was kid 👀
Never cook again 🔥🔥🔥
Granny is like 80 and judge is like 48
if theres a better candidate than judge then ill hear you out
on Tuesday judge icon too 
surely its not lm right

This is valid
thats invalid
Bc theyre like 80
Wait what the flip
lm less useless
The fact that the role icon maker could sit behind a screen
And not make an icon for easter bunny or santa is insane
also i found your square in first try
fr
This actually a very good lore

BG x RL -> LM
Sheriff x Seer -> Aura
Witch x Doc [ this casue nwm have ability to see other prot so tjis make he learn from with in later ages ] -> Fc/Med [ Fc protect from lynch this make they revive wound but cpuldnt go further cause mana is low bec of child ] , [ med Coudl be mother of witch -> revie dead -> or childern of Witch I didnt choose ]
Mm and Trap should be same ages to hunt together
How
Guys Im gonna make LOREEEEEEEE
im too good
Dont cook
isnt fc
both a flower and a child
thats not fine
I think flower child is like a golem born from flower so this makes witch is his mother but no bloodline conected -> and thats why he have mana in it cause born frim mana
The p got me 😭
@thick root
I didnt do on purpuse
T-T
I think I going to lore server and start lore for this game
Made me laugh ngl 😭ik its a typo
You better cook 🥲
dont cook more p words
Ofc
HELOOO!!
hey
@steep hinge :D.
I need this day to make wov lore
Finally
Youre here
Yeppp
I wish i got ritualist instead of useless conjuror bruh
There's lore in wov?? :0
med>conj>ritu
Yeah I start doing
Fanmade lore
Ohhhh
Tbh
Conj > ritu > med more sense for lore
ritu is the best way to lose your rsvs@steep hinge
how does strength relate to lore 🤨
Sience conj cpuldnt revive properly , Ritu is only revive some type of player if they jad revive power and Med is most powerfull os able to revive any villaher
Back
wait i just realized
This is the only official wov lore
👍
chef didnt cook 😭
That would be cool
By the way Witch should connect with a lot of family cause a lot of roles can relate woth magic
Make witch kill astro bc astro is a bad rolr
ima ask this in questions
Newly weds?
Tbh witch lore should go like this
Early age astronmeer curios in sience and magic , later go a town for vullager and open place for study magic more and use magic and since to create swords shield , later age witch create a lot of spell and focus on more mage stuff
Prob
Yepp
Thats why I start do lore
Cause there is offical corss over
It's like a buy two get one free?
WhiCH IS BABY LOUDMOUTH
precisely
. . .
It was red ladu who married but after die turn to gl
Thags why gl can protect
From save her pricous children
✨ interesting✨
Yeah
SO GL AND BG ARE OFFICIALLY MARRIED IN WOV LORE
AND IN liz version GL IS RL
AND THEY HAVE A CHILD WHICH IS LOUDMOUTH
and they need to be side by side
WOV LORE IS CRAZY
Yep
works in custom games
This make a relta with rl and gl
you joking right
Srly?!?
nope
They cant live without each other
WAIT
Wdym side by side??
Yepp
They done got despicable
WHI MAKE THEM MARRIED -> PRIEST?!?
WAIT I GOTTA MAKE A VIDEO ON THIS
I GOTTA MAKE A VID ON THAT
Jzhdjdjud
You make videos??
12 23 34 56 67 78 etc
Ohh
78 and 79 yes
YES
This content is good stuff tbat I can watch
yes
THEY GOTTA BE DESPICABLE JUST TO GET LOUDMOUTH
So thats why they need to be side by side
assuming, yeah
reality, probably not
This is offical make
3 family connected to each other
And
Slove the problem of rl gl reltae
@solid abyss
?
make gg x jdge now
why is that
So you need two people with bg and gl valentines icons and they need to be next to each other in a game for you to get the lm baby icon
Yknow that rl and gl are not the same person officially bc of steam achievements
Yeh.
Show me
I didnt know that
there goes the lore
The rl is in empty spot still
Sience
Rl#Gl by [ Steam achivmenr soruce ]
@steep hinge if you need help I can help you to creta role >:D
Tell me when you get one of the icons? 🥲
GUYS HELP can i get the valentine-themed fool/gunner icons by upgrading my cards?
@neon pulsar you need to play with someone who has BG icon and plays with that. Then you have to play with gl
Ohhh
Iys frim -> Cal
Lol
no
aw, thats too bad thx tho
Calender
cuz theyre the cutest
lizzyy!! you still hard at work with this 😂
:D
We can create fan made with role base-> family base
Or
Use steam achivments and updates to make an offical lore
I think I going to start a lore project for fun 🥰
yeh
Impenetrable
Get attacked at night as a visiting red lady or ghost lady
why its so rare
I make it in quick game :?
achivements work in any public mode not custom
So if I go computer this achivments gonna be open or I need to do re-do?
redo
Salem did you see our lore
🐒
Man.. it hurts
bg dating gl ?
took long enough for them to officially announced that they're married
upgrade your cards to epic/legendary/mythical
I know but I want the easter egg icone
Im back
is there any rewards for finish achivements?
ah
match someone who has bg or gl icon in a game, if you have gl, go match someone with bg and vice versa
custom games are counted
Have either BG or GL newest role icon > play a game as that role (with the new icon activated) + match a bride GL if you're BG, vice-versa in a game mode (+ send each other a rose ? Not sure but I did that and it worked)
Anybody knows how to get the shirt of the calendar?
Something with emotions
nobody has unlocked it so far, so not sure whether they skipped on this or you need to finish all achievements to unlock this hat
wow nice
can someone send back the upcoming wedding collection?
the last one
omgg
and the web shirt is the ee (sending to friends)
there's a web shirt ?
this one
ohh ok thank u
Well its jst gonna be how to get lm baby icon then the wov lore
yww 🫶
where you post that ?
Im gonna post it on yt
name of yt channel ?
Jellytrick
thanks
does anyone know how to get this
bg and gl icon together in one game
Get bg and gl valentine icon together in a match next to each other
People have this icon now its normal ?
Huh???
People already have the icon
Does anyone have a png of Baby Loudmouth, Valentine GL and Valentine BG?
I get the icon by being BG (with the new valentine icon) and sending a rose to GL(new icon too). The opposite does not work! It has to be the bg who sends the rose to the bride (gl). And it works in custom game
Only have these 2 since I don't have the lm icon yet
who have gl ? I have bg
I have gl
Can you help me to get baby lm ?
added stef
alright
is such Waifu material
added
It's on top of my Waifu tier list
Right next to 
@finite silo who makes the lobby
normal or custom ? can you make custom ?
alright
Baby Lm lore
Bg: do u wanna be the skibidi to my toilet?
Gl: CAN YOU DAB???
Bg: im level 6 gronk
Gl: ok ill 360 MOUNTAIN DEW!
Bg: Yay brr skibidi dop dop doP level 5 gronk ohio skibidi toilet brrrr
Gl: ur so AWESOME SAUCE!
Bg: ur so fanum tax
Priest: u may now skibidi kiss
THANKS
invited you
should speak in 2016 language
I cried whilst writing this.
Any other way to get xp quicker than custom vill wins)
?
They give only around 20-80
Revert back to 2022 and make a
only custom game
it looks so goofy
But it doesnt give that much and just quite annoying to do like
It takes 10 seconds for a
only game to end
I wouldn't use it if it's free
Far as i remember
im scared
technically it's not entirely "free"
Just play and don’t farm ?
It's staring at your soul
but I get your point
Anyways i can see that wov has some family tree… gl x bg -> lm
Ty
Also junior ww would make sense to be someones kid
W
Human × ghost 💀💀💀💀
couple 💀
Now i can't stop imagining
in a bowtie
You know what they say about old ghosts
Lowkey i think could be
and gentle
"am i adopted, dad?"
"Kill
kill
kill
"
hellooo I have gl, can you help me getting lm?
Yes I can help you, add me STEF
do you have custom? invite me if you have
The wolffu one is even rarer
yes wait a moment
reopen the game if you dont see lm role
yes yes I have it
Whats that?-
steam acheivement
anyone wanna do the newlyweds thing i got both
alr which one do you have?
i have bg only
ok
does it work in customs dyk?
hold on
oh, okay
sorry if it take a while 😅
no problem
inv me now
okay
Roles with red eyes > Ex-villagers
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None of the new roles have red eyes?
What are the newlyweds?
Gl and Bg
How do you do the Easter egg?
Get near each other with someone who have Val24 Bg and Val24 Gl cross rose for each other
The shupld be not same role
Bg and Gl should nera each otjer
Oh. Okay. Thank you
wolf pacifist
How mayor and Alpha their exses or Cor and Paci ?
Agreed
I have BG groom anyone who have the GL bride wanna do the easter egg can you add me? IGN: DerpyAgent
@quick marsh nub come and help this player
Thank you 🫶 🫡
Np
I will get you bride 
@steep hinge Yo dont forget "IM GONNA BE IM THAT VIDEO" cause I like making lore for tbis game from toda
okay add me its my username
Lemme join pls :3
I have Gl
aight whats ur user
Thank you both of ya :3
@broken spoke nub
Come and help this paluer
Heh oki
hey guys is the valentine role icons include previous valentine role icons?
What's your user?
i mean last year
Yes
yes both last years and this years
Yes
Both year icons
Save bday man
but i missed all the good ones
ill guaranteed get bg siren alch sheriff or ritu
Wbile ylu jave 80% chnace to get good icon
nah they all fine
ill probably quit by bday
You can hide you cards and try to get it?
with my luck ill probably get vigi ☠️
Vigi isnt good?
and its a pain grinding
Most people pfrefer
Bday ober lovers
thats what im saying
So its isnt good thing?
Ty, I'm keeping it i guess..
I'm saving up for birthday too, got some icons I wanted
yes its not
or alternatively save them and get a mythic
(which you probably hate more)
then....get more legendaries 🤑
jk dont legendaries possible
U r just trying to flex uh
Not really :3
What did u get
Since i got answers ill delete it now
Guys I waited to see
T-T
A refence to Minceraft april fools girl wither
And make confuson 1st icon
T-T
How to get the baby lm icon?
Have a Ghost lady and Bg with matching icons next to each other
Got the same question, only thing I can think of is bg and gl (with new icons) in the same game
I got both so if anybody wants to try it
all last row icons except bandit and gl
I got all valentine icons besides the baby louth mouth one 🫠
I have the lm icone lets go !!!
Its work in private battle
So i have :
- bodyguard, Ghost lady, Lm, MM, wolfseer, alchs, evil detect, sheriff, ritu, jailer, mayor and paci Val icone !
- gold aura and spirit seer and mythical aura spirit and gambler
So can you confirm how it worked 👀
All on this day, waited fir 2 month !
Yes its like that
^
Alright just gotta find someone then who has one of the icons
I have both roles and both icons
Okay I will dm you
I have it
Ok, custom game?
ok give me one sec to add
@carmine rapids added you as hnb
@carmine rapids dont think it works haha
Oh, so idk how my friend did it
Aaah. Did y'all know this was about yo happen? I can't be upgrading immediately
Also. How do you upgrade to mythical
I think u need 4 or 5 legendary cards
Idk how much
I can't find it anywhere
i think 4
I think you first need to have 3 or 4
you have to have 5(the one you upgrading + the other 4 for upgrade)
Ok
its 4 legendaries
Well at least u got alch and bg :'))
Ritu alch gl bg and siren are my fav 100%
wherever i go i get reminded 💀
does someone know how to get this?
Why your cards cursed?
First perks normal <- but yours ->
Blue card should have 2 perk but yours dont
Its the emote, so 2 person have to do this emotes, same time ? I dont know more sorry
both emotes?
Yes
oh okay thank you
Just for gl or bg yes
I heard that someone had seen someone wearing this shirt so it's impossible
It's called veteran cards, you got some if you played before the card update was released + if you reached a certain amount of played games with a role
you mean gunner?
it have one perk cuz instead of second it's advance role (gunner)
wdym alchi best icon so far
Why vetran card perks ->
- grey vetran card show role in middle
While his not
You can upgrade the cards
?
Okay
Ritu siren better
Alch is just original but nth more
Np
tier 1 (bg/gl/alchi)
tier 2 (ww seer/shadow/sheriff/siren)
tier 3 (butcher/ritu/bandit)
or at least as i see it
Common veteran cards only have the advanced role, if you sacrifice 2 other common cards aka upgrading them to rare, you'll get the first perk, epic will unlock another perk and so on
🤨
S tier - teething lm
how to find the easter egg
you're gonna have to be more specific than that
I typed h secrets and it said someone here could help
which easter egg?
I don't know lmao
wut
It just said easter egg
can you give any context?
do you not aim for a certain one?
there's like millions of ee
oh so you generally want easter eggs
easter eggs are items you have to 'find' in game. They're hidden like easter eggs.
It's not exactly easy to point out where all of them are if you don't specify what it is you're looking for
I think there's a list going around somewhere
But a good way to find certain ee ig is by clicking on a friend - gift - send this to ... reward
Well I agree alch is good
Looks like a perfume bottle
What exactly does that mean?🙈 ghost lady and bodyguard as newlyweds?
So for example u are the valetines gl and someone else is the valetines bg y'all trade roses and have the lm icon (DISCLAIMER ⚠️this is what I heard fron someone else)
Also does anyone have a screenshot from last year valetines icons?
AHAHHA
I hate when I have a cool icon and corr corrupt me 😬😬
When I play ft just to show my new icon 😂😂
Yess, I alr know someone who got the ghost lady one, does someone w the bg wanna join our game later? 
omggg same. And lm is only det set up too, so pretty rare to get. why is the game like this?
I have both icon I can help 👀
Fr 😭
omgg how did you get it ?
you just need to have gl or bg icon and pair it in a match with someone else
if you have gl then you need someone who has bg
if you have bg i can do it with you
i have gl
ghost lady
body guard
thx
What’s the bonus
Click there
Oh thanks
This bg, they forgot to mention that the "2023" was removed
Yeaa i saw thanks tho
Np 🙂
anyone with bg icon wanna do lm thingy?
if you set your account to female your chances of getting gl increase
I have both , add me Tacospig
yea i got it ty
Rly?☠️
ofc
me too?
💀
i think youre joking
is that for real?
@tropic blade ?
also can you change it bac?
yes
I do
no
if you put no gender getting bg or gl is a 50/50
if you want the gl set your gender to female
itll increase your chances to get it earlier
gotta set it quickly
it wont guarantee it though
Xmas gl will forever be my main
fr
when will the event end btw
bruh i got the mayor and the stupid shadow wolf icon
Not me becoming a girl *
does anyone know what after valentine event ?
haloween-christmas-valentine. What is the event afterward, and how long. I want to stock up role card before it coming
Bday
how long is it from now ?
Someone told me it starts on march 1st
last year was, after valentine->happy birthday wolvesville->pride month event
birthday #6
When is pride I don't remember?
omg
Fr I used all my cards
pride is may
this was the last one
but if birthday is in march we all screwed
when does valltines event end?
i swear no one able to stock up all role card after this valentine event
25th I think
I got the best ones anyway
But they will probably add more
i want the paci icon
Heart paci?
i want gl
Valentine days icon its too easy to have 😒
20 ??
I got paci ww stubborn ww conjuror flagger and cupid im so lucky fr
Well I wanted ss too
Oh I got bomber
i got flagger conju fc stubb bg and bomber
I don't like bg tbh 😅
But I wanted fc
yea bg looks weird
But I will buy easter icons so idc
rn i have equiped the valentines bg but i normally use the golden one
I use the mafia one
mafia icons looks cool
I want bday baker so bad 😭
the worst bday icon was the split ww
It was from the calendar
The worst is vigi lol
fr omg
nah nah nah
still really bad icon just a tinny hat for each split wolf
True but vigi is the worst
nah wwf is the best
Zombie was cool too
ed is second
I've got 19 today
💀
I was banned for Ed 😭😭😭
Well I got valentine ed so..
atleast birthday event only have 5 icons
Plus they answered one week later
maybe they add 4-5 more => 10
They will add more dw
Good for u
no i'm worried
Lol
i run out of role card to earn them
Same 😭😭
fr'
they just ghost you
i got banned for the gunner shooting me the only seer claim
the only hope for birthday event is they only release the only old 5
so i can get them all otherwise i may just skip
Dream about that 🥲
birthday update is in may first?
1st march
March
1 week after valentine
Rly soon 💀
i spent monthly to buy role card
and stock up my card since christmas
but still not able to earn all the valentine icon yet
oh so i have to save cards?
Except if u need more valentine icons 🤓
i want the gl icon
old icons return this event, great for anyone who missed jailer & paci- unfortunate for anyone who got them and missed everything else.
If you want all the icons you'll need 120 cards for the new 10 roles if you got them all last valentines- double that if you got none ever.
I mean it depends if ur willing to sacrifice cards tho
o yeaah i forget about gold n mythic, ill probably sacrifice some purple once im desperate 
I have much icons pink 
I Wanted Wolf seer,Bg or TG ícon but i Will accept This gl icon
Very beautiful, I'm not going to lie
U can obtain also another icon w it
Oh wait you did
Mb
I had almost 100 cards that I collected from June to December and I spent it all on the Halloween/Christmas icons
If someone had warned me that there would be so many icons this year, I wouldn't have done this stupid thing.
I don't think I have many ways to farm cards this month other than daily missions
🏳️🌈 ?
Hi, a friend of mine found a red tshirt with two cards on it in the inventory, does anyone know what it's from?
from the dralunar offer
Is an ee?
Love is blind
yea I think, I'm 100% certain it's from that offer
I should try
you just need a friend who is also wearing that outfit, then sit next to each other in a game, and send roses to each other 
Thank you
yeah hope you will get it
Hiii all, can i ask how to get that baby LM icon role easter egg? Thanks, have a nice day!!!
You and another person must be equipping the married Gl and Bg icons to get the LM
I forgot to add that you both have to be playing a game to get the icon.
Custom rooms work too
And all the people in game will get the easter egg?
No, only you and the person with the icon will receive the LM EE
Ohh can i play with you? I got bg but not with that gl :///
..the what?
Btw thank you so much for the information!!!
Of course, if you have a custom room with GL Released I can help you
Okay, ig what's your username ? 😃😃
I Will dm you
Thanksss🙏🏻🙏🏻💫💫💫
np
Looks like paci icon is rare
Anyone have the valentines gl icon? I have the bg one :)
Heyy, sorry for ping but can u help me too? 
i am definitely not regrettign this
unbelievably based
Blind wolf and fabio kissing
@silver timber you need one gl and one bg,two different players with rhe icons to be in the same game
oh nvm they dont have access
Thank you
no problem
Any of u wanna play together? Any icon will do. I have both icons.
Yes please
I have bg
Whatever
Who wants to play together for the icon 🙂
What you typing
I was typing that
I want to
alrighttt go dms
Anyone wanna get the ghost lady and bodyguard thing
I broke my cards fr
how do you get the conjuror skins
You managed to get the bg/gl?
That’s from pride
Do you still need it?
Got it but thanks
Lucky you!
What lucky
I got shadow and wolf seer ☠️
Oh I thought u were asking me if I want to get gl or bg
So yes I do but I didn't get
I got the shadow too 💀
When is wwo birthday btw (to know how much time there is to prepare for that event)
ALCH
1 march I think
Oh fuck
Imma just save my cards and hope the birthday thingys are nicer
There isn't an event for easter right? So after birthday it's the pride one aint it
Ikr it’s really close haha
Not sure, there wasn’t last year but who knows if there’ll be this year 🥹
many do that
There was onw last year
Wasn't there the 1000 gem bundle
There was?
Ngl I googled when is easter
There was a Easter event but not upgrade event
1000 gem bundle lol 💀💀
The icons were locked behind the 1k gem bundle yes
Ah yeah
should be a upgrade event
Honestly I'd be fine without the third upgrade event in the span of 1.5 months
nah I saved my cards like many for those events 😂
And pride, Halloween, xmas
Oh might be it lol
I also don't think we need to collect them all, as new icons will keep coming.
i have it lol
Ah yes the Pk icon from the Halloween cal
Still waiting for a eb and santa icon now
After that I'd like to see a acco icon
And then
Xmas Santa icon!!! Would be… Santa 

has bp icons been leaked?
Not yet
What's the theme btw for the next bp
We aren't in the last 2 weeks yet
World Mythology
Ooh interesting I'll take it I'll take it
Give me medusa Analyst pls
What roles are added to the new update?
I heard Edater will be
What’s edater?
Who ate
tho
Cannibal
So i got gl icon on my first upgrade, anyone has bg icon to get lm icon? I can open the custom game
@gloomy rose yes we can do it together c:
edater means online dater afaik
no way thats a real role
Oh I thought it’s real or sth or misspelled 
Sure when will you be free to do so?
Right now actually
Sure , ign?
Im single
I got bg icon if someone needs help with the lm icon
is it easy to get the bg and gl icons for valentines? since you need them to get the lm icon
is ther a higher chance of obtaining it or it is equal for all role icons
damn then i'm not getting it lol
10% chance to get either if you don't have any valentine icons yet
Ty !!!
So all I need are 20 alts...
well thats 0 chance for me cause i have no remaining cards
Huh? Why would you need alts to unlock a role icon?
30 card limit hit me
Yeah but how does an alt help you with unlocking the icon for you main account?
they can get gems from it and send to their main
I mean the LM icon
Or that.
thats allowed right?
My question remains unchanged 😆
ive never tried it but
You need gl or tg icon to unlock the lm one
What is? I still don't understand what is even being done
you can?
Ok so, you want the lm baby icon but you cant get both gl and bg icons and you have no friends
because ur in the 30 card limit you cant upgrade any
you can get 90 gems in 2 weeks from alt accounts if you do quests (not to mention bp) and then you can gift cards into your main account
Ah, sound like a great way to get your account banned ^^
and when u get 2 alts with the icons u go to maingame
and u couple ur 2 alts
with the icons
as the roles
its not allowed? thank god i never tried it when people said to do so
and get the lm icon in ur main
Well, about the no friends, people have literally been arranging games here for that purpose. A quick message here and someone wil surely help you out with it
you still can't get lm icons for everybody right?
LMAO
just the ones who have the gl and bg icon
no idea




