speculations

[somber mauve]

wolves

[quick marsh]

what team is cursed

[fast oar]

Vill

[dim trout]

Even tho it's ww, it's still a third party.

[calm nimbus]

Exactly

[quick marsh]

exactly

[calm nimbus]

No it's ww

[dim trout]

[quick marsh]

if it replaces cursed its third party lol

[calm nimbus]

Cursed is third party because it can change team

[solar ravine]

Cupid, cursed and their adv is third party wdym

[quick marsh]

hh can also change team

[calm nimbus]

Cupid is third party because it's not solo or ww but not fully village

[quick marsh]

yet its random voting

[solar ravine]

And u gonna say hh third party role?

[calm nimbus]

Cause it starts as random voting

[calm nimbus]

You'd want cursed to be rrv?

[quick marsh]

but it changes teams

[quick marsh]

🥵🥵 yeah

[solar ravine]

Hh doesn't team with any team at first night

Different from cupid n cursed

[calm nimbus]

Yes

[quick marsh]

cupid aldo belongs to different team night 1

also

[calm nimbus]

Anyways ww fan is only put in third party category because it's cursed advanced, it's not a third party role it's a werewolf team member

[calm nimbus]

And it's not about voting

So not rv

[dim trout]

With this logic, could be

[calm nimbus]

No it couldnt

It's like saying cursed could be rrv

[dim trout]

Then it's third party, case closed.

[calm nimbus]

Read the description again

It literally says it is part of ww team

"Third party that is part of X" team doesn't exist, it's not a third party

[steady quiver]

guys are the bp 30 emojis already revealed/leaked?

[quick marsh]

true

[calm nimbus]

Third party is a role like cupid/insti that is a separate team from any other teams or a role like cursed/gr that changes team mid game based on an event (with this logic hh should be third party and I'd argue it's more balanced but let's not get into that)

[regal nova]

False

A third party is someone who is not a part of the two primary parties

WWF isn't a werewolf

They win if wolves win

They aren't a werewolf themself

Hence

Third party

[calm nimbus]

Also putting werewolf fan as rww is unbalanced, like putting president as rrv or rsv and arguing it's not village because it's not in these categories

[calm nimbus]

Ww fan win with ww even when not converted

[calm nimbus]

It is read it's description

[dim trout]

But not count to win condition

[regal nova]

Allow me to reiterate:

[calm nimbus]

So?

It doesnt need to

[calm nimbus]

I'd talking about the third party random list, cause then rks would also be considered third party

[dim trout]

So even if a with 4 facing a 5 member of , the game doesn't end.

[regal nova]

This is a third party role

That wins with wolces

[calm nimbus]

Then it is a werewolf

It's not part of a third team

[regal nova]

Ni

It is a third party

[calm nimbus]

It's part of werewolves

What third party

?

[lusty gull]

To the question whether a wwfan is a werwolf or not:
I think it depends on if you see a difference between being part of the werewolf team and being a werwolf.

Due to the new role blind wolf there are some leaks about a new rdm category (you call it third party)

[surreal swift]

wwf is human not ww
thats why at first when astro trying kill them, astro dead together with wwf
ritualist can revive them cuz they are human

[regal nova]

"Third party" means "not in a primary party"
That says nothing about their win condition

Period

[calm nimbus]

It's like arguing sorcerer isnt a werewolf

It still is

[regal nova]

It isn't but is treated like it is

[calm nimbus]

Even if doesnt die to priest water seen as good etc

[regal nova]

Wins with ww # is a ww

[surreal swift]

shall we move to #wov-chat ?

[solar ravine]

Bro, rv SOLO at first cupid help their couple or village day. 1

[calm nimbus]

Yes

[regal nova]

Ww bt definition have to lose against

[dim trout]

Just let it go.

[solar ravine]

Also

Honor dissapeared

[regal nova]

I literally just hopped on but aight

[solar ravine]

I got 500 honor with 98 honor count

[dim trout]

Now it's all gone

[solar ravine]

💀

[steady quiver]

dunno if the emotes for the new bp are already shared here but i'll post them just in case

[charred drift]

when will the update come out

[somber mauve]

soon

[whole bolt]

explain why ritualists can't revive solo killers, they are humans too

[charred drift]

we dont know if thats true

[steady quiver]

Tuesday for sure

[charred drift]

wasnt it gonna come out today

[regal nova]

Devs implied tuesday in #speculations

(Philip)

[charred drift]

so how many days is it

😟

[regal nova]

Tuesday

Most likely

[lunar stag]

what is all this talk about a new update?

[charred drift]

how many days later

[lunar stag]

what is this update?

[whole falcon]

taking their sweet time to reveal the new roles in #dev-vote

[rugged panther]

No, one of them are ww

[whole bolt]

Wdym

[somber mauve]

plot twist: no new roles

[lunar stag]

oooooh

[whole bolt]

well we already knew the new roles so not really important

[tropic blade]

the game

[somber mauve]

wolvesville

[rugged panther]

If a cannibal only eats ww, i mean..

[whole bolt]

well one of them is zombie, not human as well

[low pelican]

Zb was once human too

[dusky perch]

who wanted bully

[coarse wolf]

No one

[dire solstice]

Hi

[dusky perch]

hey

[rigid yarrow]

when new update?

[dire solstice]

With that I meant I wanted and like bully

[frozen summit]

👀

[somber mauve]

does bully still have three rocks or was it changed

[fast oar]

It's 4 nớ

Now*

[steady quiver]

sigh

i still prefer gunner

sigh

[steep hinge]

Bully was a horrible role, still is

There is no way to fix bully

[steady quiver]

i would crying if i see bully in set up

[steep hinge]

They should've abandoned the role a long time ago

[charred drift]

did they fix bully

[steep hinge]

It still sucks

4 rocks? Delayed gunner

The role deserved to be abandoned a long time ago

[charred drift]

oh my lovely gunner

they didnt value you

they valued vigilante more

[somber mauve]

but only one rock per day?

[fast oar]

Yep

[lusty finch]

Most of the time i see bully throwing rocks at villagers

[steady quiver]

took 69 days to spent all of them is meh

that basically gunner 2.0

Instead of shooting them ?

Duh gunner reskin / 2.0 / copying

you cant change my mind

[solar ravine]

Cuz everyone begging for solo killer insti

[steady quiver]

Imo its too weak to be bandit advanced

[agile basin]

I would have put 2 knifes. This will help instigator to be the last standing, but without making it too strong

[tranquil comet]

its already too strong currently, not at winning but village will almost certainly lose if they started with 9 villagers

with this change, its strong enough to replace actual solo spots, even RK too

[steady quiver]

they should change aura of instigator after their recruit is dead

😭

[tranquil comet]

its gonna be unk i think

[agile basin]

Yeah, I am scared of recruits dying first night and having x3 kills per night. But I want to test it before making a solid opinnion

[empty tree]

so we gonna have two killers ig if insti's recuits ded

which is gonna be hard for vill

[tranquil comet]

well if bandit is in the same match that is

just think of it as an accomplice

if its ww insti vill like

insti usually help ww win but now

insti kill ww, ww kill insti, vill win

[empty tree]

but still having trouble with bandit

and what if both killers and wws kill vills only

[tranquil comet]

well vill have a lot of strong roles in casual play

[empty tree]

hope that happens

[coarse sedge]

Who suggested that instigator should be able to kill after recruit die tho ? 🗿

Like instigator is already fine as of right now
Why giving a buff that make 3 kills per night

[steady quiver]

fr fr

[pseudo charm]

getting ready for the insti meta

[empty tree]

3 kills per night?!

[coarse sedge]

Solo, ww and insti

[empty tree]

oh

i thought only insti

[steady quiver]

Im so MAD

It too much

To be cupid advanced

[empty tree]

yes

[coarse sedge]

But well since it coming tomorrow
I would like to see how unfair/ chaotic it would be in sandbox

Especially the set up with bandit and cupid ( that makes vill has like 8 villagers left )

[dawn parcel]

I mean Insti can only kill once per game

[vocal imp]

No

[fast oar]

It'z onece plaer dayes

[vocal imp]

Its every night

[dawn parcel]

Fr

[vocal imp]

After recruits die

[dawn parcel]

That would make Insti a 2nd fool that can kill

[solar ravine]

Deadpool insti suits more for original insti role icon

[coarse sedge]

"Can kill once recruits are dead"
Read kinda confusing
So can kill when recruits ded
Or
Can kill only once

[fast oar]

Can kill when rec ded

[coarse sedge]

Oh well def unbalance

[vocal imp]

Its a W buff tbh idc about how unbalanced it is as cupid adv, its gonna be the most fun role to play as and it will allow new types of ranked setups

[solar ravine]

Ah yes
Bandit + kww + insti in one game is totally balanced in sandbox setup

[coarse sedge]

Fr that setup is rigged
Village need to lynch every single day in order to secure a win

[tranquil comet]

whatever it'll make all the village haters shut up for once at least

[dawn parcel]

Golden blind ww will be mineeee

[vocal imp]

Lol

[steep hinge]

All I wanted for an insti buff is just for them to kill once or twice, during the day or night phase

1 for day and 1 for night

[dawn parcel]

Wait

If insti can kill after recruits die

[steep hinge]

If that person u wanted to kill on day was protected in the night u cant kill them
That would be a balanced thing

[dawn parcel]

What happens if a recruited Ritu revives a ww/rk

[steep hinge]

Does insti turn emo?

[steady quiver]

His knife pretty cool tho

[lost parrot]

What time is the update?

[humble current]

@tranquil comet we're not playing the update

we're hosting 5v5v5v5v5 row wars

[tranquil comet]

the setting is gonna get added to customs immediately?

[regal nova]

That is the update you microwave

You got ratio'd

[humble current]

it should according to #dev-vote message

[humble current]

No u

[tranquil comet]

+ 4x 🪨 + 🥔 🔥

🤔

[humble current]

Dam

🪨 + 🥔 =

[tranquil comet]

no

🪨 + 🥔 =

[humble current]

wdym

oh right, you mean:

+ 4x🥔 = 2x

[tranquil comet]

yes

also + (4 - 🥶)x 🥔 = :2x

[tranquil comet]

oh and also, the row war bug 💀

there will be lots of people stacking on top of each other

[torpid sparrow]

Wheres if u have 2 s

Also

[dawn parcel]

I do have sorc but split no

one kitten was from the offer

[torpid sparrow]

Where is

I dont see it

[vocal imp]

We need buffed to counter the oppressive villagers

Imma use insti talismans after the update

[torpid sparrow]

I always use insti talisman

[humble current]

it shouldn't exist at 25 players

that bug happens because it tries to do 5-player teams on a 4x4 lobby

[torpid sparrow]

Ohhh

[tranquil comet]

is that really the root of the problem? its only happened to me if I put any random role in the setup

[humble current]

I mean yea because teams have 5 players in, but why it's linked to a random role I have no idea

[steady quiver]

Where's honor?

[dawn parcel]

it is disabled for now because the first ever season starts tomorrow on Tuesday I think

[livid umbra]

I wonder how to get cards aside the challenges and chests + for free

[empty tree]

buy with gems

[livid umbra]

And how to get more gems aside challenges?

[empty tree]

bp

[livid umbra]

Oof so only these methods

[empty tree]

mhm or you can buy with real cash

for gems ofc

[charred drift]

will they change blind wolf to the old one

[dim trout]

That golden bandit look sus

[fading fern]

Golden ED/SECT

[dusky perch]

very sus

[dim trout]

Yeah

[tame dove]

where'd u get that icon of fc

[dawn parcel]

resend for the people who wanted to see the icons and don't want to scroll back up

[dawn parcel]

the Fc icon was from the easter role icon package

[tame dove]

is that ghost lady

[dawn parcel]

yes

[tame dove]

CONJU,Avg(sadge i have bell ringer), ghost lady, alpha, Voodoo,Jelly,Med,Doc

[tropic blade]

more med icons?

[tame dove]

yeah i wish there was like

[dawn parcel]

and will be the icons for season 30

[tame dove]

icons when

[charred drift]

YES MY ICON

[charred drift]

How will we get the med

[dawn parcel]

Battle pass challenges

• if they plan to match stuff

[tame dove]

icon WHEN

[tame dove]

im fine with everything except alpha and med

[dawn parcel]

will be with , with , with and with

[agile basin]

Cursed had jingerbread icon, and bell-ringer the one from easter pack

[tame dove]

oooh where

i wanna see the easter one

[charred drift]

medium can be anything and thats so good

[somber mauve]

bell ringer icon when

oh that one

cute

[tame dove]

icon when

[dawn parcel]

mm has 2 icons

[tame dove]

IK omg

icon when lol

icon when

heh

[next cedar]

Cursed has an icon

[feral saffron]

no, jww when

all of jww adv have role icons. It's sad when I have to pick.

bondage cursed, change my mind

[grizzled hearth]

Cursed Rudolf cookie

[coarse sedge]

Hope Christmas icon come back this year

[feral saffron]

I hope val icons come back next year. Way too many after way too little time

[coarse sedge]

Never knew they release event like this to obtain icon by upgrade card to epic or legendary

[feral saffron]

I was too upset to buy

val doc I couldn't care less. But missing out on val jailer, that hurt

[tranquil comet]

i missed out on bday zombie cuz forgot to upgrade

😔

[lusty gull]

Can somebody match the bad love skin?

[steady quiver]

@dawn parcel how did u find these pngs ?

[dawn parcel]

copy n paste

[steady quiver]

i mean where

[dawn parcel]

roles

[steady quiver]

website right ?

[dawn parcel]

yes

but you can't find limited icons if you don't own them though

[steady quiver]

ok guess ill save it from here

[next cedar]

Idk whether I want / or / icons first for the bp

Cause like I have wanted a gl icon that’s alive for so long but little red conj is so good

[empty tree]

[celest flume]

all we need is a icon

[tranquil comet]

oh you're gonna be happy then

[quick marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

[lusty gull]

no pls no🥲

[dry bane]

I wait role icon

[signal crystal]

worst update for roles/balancing

when it will be out?

[feral saffron]

Next role icon better be either gunner, bb, or med 😤 not enough of these, imho

[signal crystal]

med has 3 icons

..

[modest mural]

Can someone share new icons pls ?

[signal crystal]

.

[modest mural]

Ty!

[tropic blade]

sorc icon

wws icon

[agile basin]

I actually found it a really interesting update. I'm unsure about instigator change, but all the others look like positive changes and I think they are fair. About roles, bully seems an interesting alterantive for gunner and blind wolf it's a great example of balance and compatibility, imo.

[humble current]

good luck tryna get someone to claim in blind ww game

[willow zealot]

I get the concept except - it's now a direct buff of caused by players who don't know how to make an educated guess

[humble current]

educated guesses don't matter dude

if the jelly isn't on yourself, you risk losing your ability

if the jelly is on yourself, you risk losing numbers

plus it still says jelly wolf saved, can't fake fc

[willow zealot]

Some may say it's a nerf, causes a rise of rk auras that get info the only time hiding the name is worth it

[humble current]

it's a buff

you can cc witch then claim that you poisoned them when in fact they poisoned you

or mm

basically stuff that stubborn can already do but any other ww can do it with support of the jelly

same with warden too, warden is the most common

[regal cobalt]

[regal nova]

new doc idon???

[regal nova]

Still sleep deprived but
Doubt i'd use any of these besides doc

[visual bone]

Dragon voodoo

Unicorn jelly

And theres a gay dragon on the bp too

[daring parcel]

[visual bone]

bruh

Battlepass 4 on upcoming clothing

Tried sending a link, got blocked

[daring parcel]

oh this outfit

[visual bone]

gay dragon

[daring parcel]

it's a normal looking dragon for me though

[rugged panther]

The gaygon

[visual bone]

dragay

[lone spade]

.

[dawn parcel]

Resend again

[echo kestrel]

Epicos

[rugged panther]

Conj, avenger, and alpha ww only worth getting

Ill ofc get all but still

[tranquil comet]

I like all except doc and med 💀

[opaque mulch]

doc and med are my favs

[plush hollow]

Same 👀

The medium is so pretty

[opaque mulch]

go sleep

[empty tree]

ngl i like the role icons (except voodoo)

but cant join bp this month

[tranquil comet]

whats wrong with the voodoo one 🤨

[empty tree]

it looks weird for me lmao

[plush hollow]

Why you can’t 👀

[plush hollow]

You go mimir

[empty tree]

exams...

they keep going on like crazy

[plush hollow]

Usually the challenges are not hard and you can try to play 1/2 games per day to get those icons 🙈

[empty tree]

yea yea except the "play with friends", "upgrade 5 cards"...

but i will try my best to join

[next cedar]

8 min til bp over

[flint skiff]

when will next bp be here? tomorrow ?

[quick marsh]

where's the bp?

[whole bolt]

Probably tmr

[cloud cave]

the bp probably releases later today or tmr

[grizzled hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-cry-cri-crying-meme-gif-20634328

[quick marsh]

aw man i was hyped

[solar ravine]

BP cooldown 1 days

[coarse sedge]

Man was excited to play insti today
Guess I have to wait

[lost parrot]

When will the new season come?

[next cedar]

Soon™️

[lost parrot]

Today?

[surreal swift]

tomorrow

[lost parrot]

Really?

[surreal swift]

yes if im not wrong, new bp will be show off today
and tomorrow will be ready

[lost parrot]

New Role Comes With Update?

[surreal swift]

yes

[lost parrot]

Why is it not updated today?

[vocal imp]

Because every time the bp ends there's a 1 day cooldown for the next bp

[wanton jacinth]

When is the new Battle Pass coming out?

[ashen flame]

I think I'll have to wait for developers to wake up.

[steady quiver]

still waiting, 9:30pm pst here

[dim trout]

Just wait. Their office is probably not their home.

[lost parrot]

BP what time release

[next cedar]

Soon™️

[steady quiver]

It's 7am in Germany (wov HQ) so I assume the new update would start within 2 hrs

[lost parrot]

Why does someone say update tomorrow?

[steady quiver]

Probably a time zone issue

[lost parrot]

Some people may stay on May 1

[empty tree]

not 2 hrs, on May 3rd

[fast oar]

Are u sure

[empty tree]

noone knows

[fast oar]

[surreal swift]

its exactly will be ready on tomorrow
the time zone in this game to be ready new things is UTC 0:00
its the same with new daily quest start on new day

[marble remnant]

Its not related

They schedule it on midnight usually

[dawn parcel]

Mhm

[feral saffron]

yeees, I just saw

[marble remnant]

This. It's baffling that people still don't understand it, while it's almost always like this and they make it clear enough ingame. Yet 5000 ppl nag about it wvery single season.

[feral saffron]

hype

mainly for role icons. Bp outfits kinda meh

[ashen flame]

Update Out Tomorrow?

[empty tree]

ngl if i decide to do that bp, i will only do it for gems

[low pelican]

Does that mean ur not doing it?

But then again

Same

[unique elm]

Doing every bp to have all items >>>

[tranquil comet]

theres no reason not to do a battle pass

[visual bone]

hah, it starts with the one skin i want

gg

[visual flower]

I already started watching ads to buy whole bp

[steady quiver]

The witch isn't included in BP??

[dawn parcel]

If you mean the witch outfit from "Poison Apple" it is the male variant

[steady quiver]

Fr? Lol

Okay :))

[lost parrot]

New Role Come Tomorrow?

[unique elm]

Probably

[livid umbra]

So these things with locks can be bpught for 1420 coins? All the items you reached?

I didnt understand the conception

Or you buy without xp

[feral saffron]

just means you haven't unlocked those yet. You either play for 'em or you pay gold (100 coins, I believe, but I could be wrong)

I never pay gold for bp items, someone correct me

[fallow gyro]

https://wolvesville.fandom.com/wiki/Season_30 omfg ive been working on this forever

[livid umbra]

But i had some free items in 29 th bp

Like i didnt get my avatar items, or did i have to unlock everything

[fallow gyro]

@steady quiver recently theres been two POC hairs that you can get from the lootbox. it will also be in the shop later on for 250 gold, but idk when that will happen. perhaps when fairytales update release?

[steady quiver]

Ight

[fallow gyro]

thank you so much!! i needed this for the wikipage

[lusty gull]

Can somebody match the bad love skin?

[lone spade]

Which one is it

[ashen flame]

What is the 3rd one?

[humble current]

Vietnam

[lusty gull]

this one

[deep narwhal]

Its ....

[steady quiver]

no problem

[lone spade]

I can redirect you to someone who has it

[dusky perch]

redirect me

[lone spade]

Redirect u or redirect to you?

[dusky perch]

both same

[lone spade]

Isn’t the same

[dusky perch]

i mean redirect me to him or him to me

[dusky perch]

or that not what u said

[lone spade]

I mean that i know someone who has that outfit. Leome can contact them to match with her for the ee

[dusky perch]

oh thought you mean u tell him when u find someone has it. mb

[lone spade]

If you have it u can match with leome too if both of u r fine with it

[dusky perch]

yeh im fine and free but looks like they are offline

so did anyone notice there is no free tiers in this bp ?

[lone spade]

Sure?

[dusky perch]

yes

[lone spade]

Didn’t get the time to take a look at it

[next cedar]

Better than giving everyone the most toxic emote for free

[lost parrot]

What time is the update out?

[steady quiver]

when the new battle pass is out i think which is like 10 hours

[lost parrot]

it will come after BP out?

[dry bane]

10 h 15 min

[empty tree]

exams prevent me from thinking to buy it

[empty tree]

oh god

[next cedar]

Just use the rose wheel

[empty tree]

i have enough golds, it just i dont think i have enough time

[livid umbra]

Same

And i still dont get the mechanics, what do I buy for 1420 coins

[lusty gull]

👀

[regal nova]

TBH just save enough gold from missions

[dusky perch]

still?

[empty tree]

lol haha

[torpid sparrow]

Omg why hasnt the pass started yet

I cant progress my quests cuz no pass skins 😡 😡 😡

/j

[dusky perch]

kitten conversion reveal converted player role ?

[fast oar]

Kww buff?

[solar ravine]

Useless buff, just ask the person in night chat lol

[dusky perch]

idk but the text turned from "player-username" into "player" so its reveal their role or not idk

[fast oar]

[somber mauve]

So it just says number?

[dusky perch]

idk

[narrow arch]

The forever never added Locksmith is so sad

i like it too much xD

[regal nova]

Interesting concept but it changes the game too much for rrv

As i understand it

[tranquil comet]

its a provable BG that rather than just having 2 lives, it can save itself and another player (who knows they’re being protected by a lock), and if the lock is broken, it has a 1 night protect cooldown, otherwise its unlimited protection

a very balanced rrv, i must say 💀

[tranquil comet]

we get it you intentionally waste an attack to attack seer two times and then seer dies

good job wasting a kill

if you think you’re random attacking most of the time you clearly haven’t been using your brain to identify who is what villager

[gentle patio]

Gentleman there is a solution that we are not seeing: Remove seer and put detective in instead. Balanced

[rugged panther]

But if two locksmith in game and they keep locking the seer, its broken

If locksmith is adv of bg, it should have only 2-3 protection total

That is consumed once you use it

(When you activate a lock on a person)

[tranquil comet]

even just one is annoying enough, maybe not as strong on its own but very annoying

[ashen flame]

What time is the update out?

[vocal imp]

Id expect it to be in around 8 hours

[quick marsh]

when are the new roles coming

[steady quiver]

The Devs are sleeping rn

[lusty gull]

it's 7 am for them

[quick marsh]

imagine sleeping at 7 am 🤓

[quick marsh]

i assume it'll come tmrw then?

[dusk pivot]

7.42*

[lusty gull]

funny✨️😂😂😂😂

[proud crescent]

7:43* if you wanna be this correctly

[dusk pivot]

oh sorry... my bad.. but it's || 7.44 ||

[tropic blade]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[steady quiver]

Funny

[steady quiver]

Tbf it's actually 09:13:04

[dusky perch]

actually its 1683098775976

or that my time nvm

[steady quiver]

bleh

[fluid stag]

Where the new roles

;-;

I waited for update

[toxic blade]

Devs will announce it somewhere today still, when depends on them

It is still morning for them

[feral saffron]

25 players game is already out. But like half the lobby goes off before day 1 💀

[sturdy cargo]

for me it just goes to the loading game screen when loading it to the match

[dawn cairn]

Y the pain

[grizzled oxide]

Can i already make the role?

[glad holly]

Yes but cannt play it (i couldnt choose bully)

[grizzled oxide]

Ooo. Thanks!

[cloud cave]

wow

[tranquil comet]

did insti buff get cancelled

[glad holly]

None roles have been update.

[tranquil comet]

ah ok so its coming later

[humble current]

yea need this asap

[dusky perch]

lol

[humble current]

I could never

Sounds too cringe when it's ur main lang

[dusky perch]

ikr ahahahahha

[quick marsh]

update is out lets goo

btw are role changes out as well?

[noble willow]

no

[dusky perch]

lets go

card that i wont use

[solar ravine]

I still prefer sorcerer

[dusky perch]

me too

i just collect them for flex

[solar ravine]

Buruh

Me waiting for insti buff

[pseudo charm]

lol

too many players

[dusky perch]

hmmm

[steady quiver]

As it should ig

Vill win are crying

[regal nova]

Just realized i use gold ritu not gold med

So i'll be using doc mee icons

*doc med icons

[whole falcon]

why would you pick gold icons over other custom role icons?
if they look decent I'd pick custom role icons over golden ones any time of the week

[whole falcon]

why? you only play with 9 players anyways.

[steady quiver]

Really

[whole falcon]

it's only sad for people who create rose lobbies

[steady quiver]

I never play vill win so idk how it worked

[regal nova]

Custom?

I'll go into a vill win
And try to win as evil

[whole falcon]

so you don't like throwing but you do it yourself just to ruin other peoples games?

[regal nova]

It ain't throwing it's quite the opposite

[whole falcon]

for the custom game you joined its throwing

[regal nova]

It's following the rules

Of the game

"Village win" isn't even a game

[whole falcon]

no but it's what they are doing.

and they ar ehurting no one

and you start ruining their games.

[regal nova]

They're hurting the game

[whole falcon]

how are they doing that?

[regal nova]

By ruining xp
and making a need for card-caps

[whole falcon]

that's on the game mechanics not them

[regal nova]

also ruining bps but that's less wov and more to do with the cincept of bps

[quick marsh]

and causing any other custom game lobby to stay at 3 players max

[regal nova]

No, it's on them foe causing it

🤷🏽‍♂️

[whole falcon]

and custom games is dead. before xp boost customs were a thing no one played customs and it will stay that way.

[quick marsh]

i prefer it to be dead tbh
even that way I'd get more players

[regal nova]

What i do isn't considered throwing (according to anyone who actually has a say in the matter, and to me)

Otherwise my ban count woukd be doubled

[quick marsh]

reports dont work in custom games tho right

[regal nova]

They di

They do

[quick marsh]

thats dumb ngl

[regal nova]

Byt the thing is

[quick marsh]

its custom for a reason

i should be able to throw my game 😡/j

[regal nova]

Not in a way that services farmers (or anti-farmers)

[quick marsh]

ye i mean those

[regal nova]

Then no

[quick marsh]

epico

btw do yall know when role changes are coming

[regal nova]

Regardless

[quick marsh]

i can't wait for insti buff.

[whole falcon]

No. Introduction of role cards is at fault. Shouldn't be a thing anyways. People boost to finish stuff like the battlepass which they otherwise would never be able to finish.
If you introduce a system that grants those rewards through levelups might as well balance out your game in a way where it is fun to play regular gamemodes throughout the entire month.
i don't think it's very interesting to play sandbox or whatever for 1 hour+ every day only to finish a battlepass. I don't even have time for that.

[regal nova]

There's reasons for role cards being a thing, reasons I can get behind

And the poibt of BPs are to reward continuous gameplay

[quick marsh]

what was introduction of role cards have to do with that

not like you need evert single role card, whats the point in grinding i. xp lobbies for those

[whole falcon]

he talked about the monthly role card cap. not that people boost to get the rolecards.

[quick marsh]

oh

yeah i hate that thing

either remove the limit and make levels require more xp, or just completely remove it

[regal nova]

Becayse if it weren't for the limit farmers would get all the cards super quick

Partially defeating the point

[quick marsh]

a reason to remove both

though literally everything in the game requires xp so i can only relate

[regal nova]

I understand people wanting cards out, but the thing is the way farmers abuse the card being a direct coorelation to XP makes it worse

[regal nova]

"Literally everything"

[whole falcon]

yeah, rewarding continuous gameplay.
battlepass has 100 tiers. it runs for 60 days on average.
one tier needs 720 or smth xp so you need 72000xp to finish that entire thing. would be 1200xp per day every day. You get an average of maybe 60xp per game. Depending on your daily challenges you might make an average of 500-800xp in about 45 minutes to 1 hour.

[quick marsh]

you should count dailies too

[whole falcon]

you need to play a lot to finish the battlepass.
the games gameplay is definitely not worth investing so much time into that.

[whole falcon]

i did.

[quick marsh]

i get 1200 xp just from dailies everyday lol

[whole falcon]

and thats why people boost their xp. fault of the players or fault of the developers?

[regal nova]

An hour of gameplay to get to tier 100 for free is reasonable

Mind you

You can purchase tiers with gold & gems

[quick marsh]

true although nobody should use that method

[regal nova]

Not ideal unless you want specific things, but it's an option to consider

Esp with the bp missions

[regal nova]

That depends on wgere you are on the last day

[whole falcon]

and hour of repetitive gameplay in a toxic (possibly like you) and very young community is reasonable every day?

[quick marsh]

if you don't like the gameplay then don't play imo 🙄

[regal nova]

In a f2p game
An hour of gameplay a day to complete a bp is reasonabke

Not everyone burns out as quickly as you

That's a case by case thing

[quick marsh]

(keep in mind most battlepasses are evn pay gated in most games)

[regal nova]

Yea but that's easy, just use gold from a prior bp

You get 600×4 (2.4k) from bp missions

[quick marsh]

no i meant having a bp for ingame currency is already good enough

[whole falcon]

and so are they here. just with different methods. at least they were before battlepass missions.
people tend to forget that you can pay with time and attention too.

and if you need to spin a goldwheel and watch ads for hours to buy that bp you paid a lot.

[quick marsh]

it requires ingame currency, not pay gated

[regal nova]

You can even earn enough gems

Ofc just buying the whole thing is an option

Point being

[regal nova]

Farming isn't needed

I finished the crystal bp without farming

[regal nova]

1 hour a day for a BP is reasonable

[cloud cave]

Yep

[livid umbra]

Why no xp after game

[dusky perch]

scam where lvl 4

[opaque mulch]

It lasts 59 days 👀 The top levels are supposed to be exclusive

[livid umbra]

Is that xp thing a bug?

[solar ravine]

Bro i still cant kill as insti

Nvm

[dawn quest]

i dont have it ingame yet LESS TIME FOR ME THEN

[wintry fiber]

no xp after my game too

[livid umbra]

Maybe because of update

Something went wrong

[dusky perch]

you need 15,000 honor in total 😄

[feral saffron]

anyone wanna swap honor with me?

wait, so all of those rewards go away again after 60 days?

or how does it work?

well, the frames and stuff?

oh

so they have to keep inventing new frames

I mean, it wouldn't make much sense to have you keep it for next season

so, who wanna swap honor with me?

not a scam

thats like only wut 22 people

thats not too bad, right?

if you're really good and play an incredible game maybe 15 people give you honour

the daily rewards bp quest really triggers me

[dawn quest]

10k would be possible in 2 months.. but 15k? oof

[feral saffron]

I don't have that kind of patience, my good

[feral saffron]

wait, isn't it 10k?

it's 8 x 1250

[dawn quest]

salem said 15k

I didnt check

HAHAH

[visual flower]

Well I had 4000+ honors before honors getting removed but I don't bother to grind again

[feral saffron]

ooooooof

[visual flower]

I have important exams during this season 😐😐

[feral saffron]

my grandmother is dying and the only thing that can save her is 15k honour

[visual flower]

Play gunner with golden icon in sandbox. That's how I got my honors lmao

[dawn quest]

thats the saddest thing about it

[visual flower]

Golden conjuror is acceptable too lmao

[dawn quest]

or seer or as a good flagger

[visual flower]

Yea don't take passive roles

[feral saffron]

yh, honestly people only give to seer or gunner

i am really good mm, tho

[next cedar]

Or conj

[feral saffron]

I always get baddies

and get honors

yh, those alr overrun custom games

[visual flower]

As a conjuror owner I don't think I get enough credit from players 🙄🙄🙄🙄

They ignore me lol

[dawn quest]

agree with rit

[feral saffron]

you saw nothing hehehehe

[visual flower]

Yea just play gunner and you will get honoured even though you lose 🤡

[feral saffron]

ok I'm fine with both honors and gold donations, then

honestly, if everyone played bad game I just give fool honors

[visual flower]

or have a cheerful personality tbh players also honor you if you have funny conversations with them

[feral saffron]

cause they're the only who did their job right

the rest just pretend fools

[visual flower]

Well i got honoured by five players in one game because of funny conversation idk

[feral saffron]

there's people who go 'shut up' tho or 'you talk too much'. it makes the game not fun

hi, wanna be my friend? heh

[visual flower]

They trigger me to curse them I hold myself too hard lmfao

[feral saffron]

but I thought honor decreased if same person kept gifting

it's only easy when I'm not hh

[visual flower]

Take an active role while winning and honor is yours

[solar ravine]

What the fuck, now i always got killed as insti by the wws

[visual flower]

I always claim hh first day but don't reveal my target. (I already reached 150 wins with hh so idc anymore) but dumb villagers ask "who's your target?" Like I will say 🤡🤡🤡

U didn't see me then

I am so stubborn

I won't tell it even though U shoot me

Bro ngl it's not fair lmao

Just appreciate hhs hard work hahahah

Anyways I won't bother to grind for honors. Honors don't pay my rent 😃👍🏻

Lmaaooo

[feral saffron]

you think 3 role cards is enough reward?

that's an extra 3 over 60 days of grinding

[dusky perch]

you actully need 15,000 honor points

[cursive brook]

Hmm

[next cedar]

Def yeah

[regal nova]

Qh

How?

[tranquil comet]

15,000 honor points, in 2 months? and it resets?

[regal nova]

What are yall doin

[visual flower]

Yes

🙄🙄 ofcourse

[dusky perch]

Level 1 =1,250 points
Level 2 = 2,500 points
Level 3 = 3,750 points
Level 4 = 5,000 points
Level 5 = 7,500 points
Level 6 =10,000 points
Level 7 = 12,500 points
Level 8 = 15,000 points

[smoky gulch]

15k is crazyyy

[dusky perch]

yes 15k

[tranquil comet]

at the bare minimum u should be able to keep the level 8 prize if u somehow got 15k points

[dusky perch]

yeh that also unfair

[regal nova]

I think it'll be different rewards

[tranquil comet]

but it should be lowered or no reset

[feral saffron]

I will report anyone over 100 honor

[tranquil comet]

like even the average player will not come close to 5000 honor

exactly

[agile basin]

Tier 8 reward is not thought to be get by the avergar player 👀

[tranquil comet]

keep in mind, lets say it took you 40 days to get 5000 honor

[cinder wadi]

Where can i find the honor rewards

[tranquil comet]

like thats good in all that you have a thingy that shows you have no life

grinding 5000 honor in 40 days

but you can only flex it for 20 days

then its gone

💀

[agile basin]

Go to your profile, and click on the ? Next to "honor"

[cinder wadi]

Ty john pork

[tranquil comet]

nah 100 honor is a reasonable amount to gain in 1 day

[agile basin]

Well, honor is make for that. To encourage (fair) playing. If you don't want to play, why should you get free rewards?

[tranquil comet]

actually idk

maybe i underestimated

i mean if someone plays all day

for 30 days

they will get more than 500 honor per day right

its possible to get 15k if you don’t care about flex

thats 250 per day

for 2 months

nah its just like

its basically like having

the play for 90 minutes challenge

except its every day

[feral saffron]

it takes on average 10-15 minutes to play a game where it would be reasonable for you to get honor and you won't get honor by dying first or second night. So that's like 170-255 mins. That's 3-4.5 hours every day

on a game

[tranquil comet]

imagine being this active to play the game

[feral saffron]

like sorry, but if I see people with honor rewards I will shed a tear for them for having no life.

[tranquil comet]

i mean if this was me like 4 years ago no sweat

[tranquil comet]

its not even permanent reward i don’t care do much

[feral saffron]

yes, I work (I'm supposed to be working rn, shhhh, but Discord is kinda working?) and have friends and fam. i don't have a spare 4h+ every day just to brag in a game

[tranquil comet]

permanent if u take a screenshot and then send it to your social media page that u got no life

and then everyone will say you photoshopped it

[feral saffron]

for 15k honor you could have my firstborn

[humble current]

@tranquil comet im gonna host after i drive home

🥸🥸🥸

[visual flower]

Bro we have a life and responsibilities too 😐

[visual flower]

Well I wouldn't mind if it was summer vacation

[feral saffron]

honestly, there's gonna be a lot of honours begging in the next few games. I can alr feel it

[humble current]

Honor me I found 2 ww!!!!

Honor me I saved seer!!!!!

[feral saffron]

honor me I saved ww from corr night one!!!!!

[visual flower]

People are already saying "you have no life" when you are 700+ level. I can't imagine honor rewards

[feral saffron]

I grinded last weekend because I was behind on role cards and got like 18k for clan quest. I was first. The next person under me had 12k. There were 22 people in that quest and it ran for 5 days. You guys really think people are willing to play this game hard for some frames? k, hilarious

[dusky perch]

i wonder who's idea was that 15k honor points is fair amount

[dusky perch]

they are talking about honor not xp

[obsidian hound]

this season and update sucks so hard, i literally do not care bout any of these role changes and bully and blind wolf are both lame as hell ;_;

[feral saffron]

I know, but the point still stands. That's 22 out of my clan who can't even get to 12k+ after playing for 5 days. There's no chance to play that much for most players

I like rolecards. It makes game set-ups more unique

[solar ravine]

And made level targetting increased

[feral saffron]

yes, that tho

but last update should make levels invisble

How do I make my profile invisible? asking for a friend

[solar ravine]

Ithink it come next week

[feral saffron]

it says in announcements, though

[solar ravine]

Yes

[obsidian hound]

this update was a downgrade

[feral saffron]

fourth update

[solar ravine]

This update suck but honor n profile settings carried

[tranquil comet]

how do u hide your stuff?

i dont see the way to hide my level

[obsidian hound]

the mode sucks, the roles suck, the role changes also suck.

[solar ravine]

Bro it come next week

Someone said

[obsidian hound]

Availability of this feature will be delayed by roughly one week to make sure everybody has the latest update before enabling.

says the blog

[solar ravine]

Game before role cards literally

[tranquil comet]

ah ok its delayed mb

[solar ravine]

6 months 1x update

No update no fun

But the OG music slaps

Role they create now is kinda recycle version

[regal nova]

Wait lemme math rq

150/60 is 5/2

[feral saffron]

oh man, when the game just came out it was actually a lot of fun. Lots of troll games, without bans.

[regal nova]

It's 150000 (150×1k) to get t8, but bear in mind it's 60 days not 60

[feral saffron]

people didn't take it that seriously, so throwing was default

[regal nova]

So 500 honor daily

[regal nova]

Kinda the problem

[feral saffron]

wait, wut? no, it's 15k

[regal nova]

Wait

[feral saffron]

not 150k

[regal nova]

Oh

[feral saffron]

that's insanity lmao

not even a hacker could

2550 honor a day 🤡

[visual flower]

I'm still waiting to hide my profile

[daring parcel]

5 cards left for it

[spice hedge]

Will be a few more days, almost ready 🙏

[next cedar]

I still wish rng didn’t hate me

[daring parcel]

I feel like I'm in a big social experiment rn

bc bully got added

the highest gamethrow potential role ever added

[frosty gorge]

Seriously, the buff they gave to the instigator is to become sk?
Now there will be 2 killers in the game, 3 kills every day, well balanced game

[regal nova]

Yoo

Phillip finna spill the tea

[spice hedge]

why 2 / 3? Insti only gets to kill if their recruits are dead. This was added to ensure that insti doesn't become useless once their recruits have died 🤷‍♂️ and it's live now too 😄

If too strong we can always revert with the next update

[frosty gorge]

If recruits die on night 1 or day 1, you will have 2 killers for the rest of the game

[spice hedge]

... who is the second killer?

rk = recruit? They died ...

[tropic blade]

by literally farming

[spice hedge]

Maybe I am missing context. I understood the question to be

"If a regular game has insti as a solo killer, the new buff is OP"

.. and I am asking why?

You say there are 2 killers. Where does the second killer come from?

[solar ravine]

@spice hedge isnt it just useless to make insti can kill if recruit dead when they lose if all ww/solo killer dead? They are just helping bad role killing villager with no aim

[dark creek]

three kills everynight = one from ww + one from rk(sk, alc etc) + one from insti

[spice hedge]

why would there be another rk besides insti? 🤔

[tropic blade]

cuz its cupid advanced

[solar ravine]

Insti more likely is like bandit

[tropic blade]

and cupid is alr in setups with rk

[solar ravine]

Got 2 recruits and can kill

= bandit advanced

And the problem insti got Good aura

[tropic blade]

3 ww + rk + instikiller + fool vs 8 vills n1

[spice hedge]

My mistake, you are right

[solar ravine]

nah dude its 4 ww just imagine 1 kww

[tropic blade]

shadow ww ig = if wolves manage to get a misshot, evil win d1

revert recruit

[spice hedge]

Still, it is the same number of kills before and after the buff, just now the number of kills is constant throughout the game?

[dark creek]

there an sk/corr and cupid(who can be insti) in one game | quick game

[tropic blade]

assuming insti gets a kill every night kills are doubled

[solar ravine]

Insti just adding an extra kill to nonvillager role

[tropic blade]

too many

[solar ravine]

Insti can kill bandit also

[tropic blade]

balancer team when

insti is like rk

but without being rk

[solar ravine]

Yeah they are not ww

[spice hedge]

Before:

• Every night recruits kill 1 player

After buff:

• Every night recruits kill 1 player
• If recruits are dead, insti kills 1 player

--> the number of kills per night is identical, it is "1" 🤷‍♂️

[tropic blade]

assume insti is like an acco

[tropic blade]

the thing is, i would then sell my teammates as the kill count is the same

shouldnt be this way imo

its rewarding to throw to some degree

[solar ravine]

But literally its useless to buff Insti because you only can win if ww/solo killers still alive

[spice hedge]

That's not what this discussion was about.

Did you guys read / test the latest update? I believe there are some misunderstandings here 🤔

[solar ravine]

And ah i was alpha ww and i cant send message i suppose this is a bug?

What about instead insti can kill someone when recruits still alive... Adding more space for recruits to win instead of when recruits die your win condition depending on wws

[dark creek]

they cant ?

[solar ravine]

Nope cuz its 4 months

[tropic blade]

after recruits died, insti became useless.

now, insti is as strong as it was even when not being able to protect its couple successfully (which is its only purpose)

[solar ravine]

And in 1 month u can get like over 4000 honor

[fast oar]

It's 2 months

[solar ravine]

Actually depend

[fast oar]

Team with sl

[solar ravine]

On how much honor u get

[tropic blade]

• wolves can still get one kill even after the recruit has died -> an extra kill if a ww + vill recruits ingame = 1 ww kill + 1 solo kill + 1 insti kill = 3 kills

[dark creek]

Also not all gamemodes have honor system(aka ranked)

[tropic blade]

compared to the 1 + 1 = 2 kills

[fast oar]

Nop, sected has more priority than couple

[plush hollow]

i don't think it's too bad that insti can kill 👀 it's a little buff since instigator cant win their recruits it's good actually imo

[spice hedge]

Please go play with the new insti 🙏 I believe there is a misunderstanding here

[solar ravine]

AND you depend on ww or solo team if they die you will lose too so you have to defend them

[tropic blade]

omw

[dark creek]

Not all have insti card

[solar ravine]

You need to keep ww/bandits alive as Insti with dead recruits

[fresh wren]

Then why complain without even getting to play with it

[plush hollow]

not mean it's a bad buff 👀 you have a good aura so it's not so bad as you say. For me it was a necessary buff, before the fairy tales update=>you were kinda useless if your recruits were died

[dark creek]

Can insti win alone now?

[fresh wren]

They always could

Rework better

Not budd

Buff*

[dark creek]

1. I have insti card 2) I dont want to have op insti as my enemy in game

[solar ravine]

And the buff still useless because If ww/all solo dead you also lose so its just like 1v1v1 and gambling ww or solo kill villager while you kill them

Because if you kill all ww n solo you lose

you dont have last man standing win condition

The only thing that can make insti win is 1v1v1

Just make it Insti 1x per game can kill someone when recruits still alive or not

It balance more than being solo killer after recruits dead

[fresh wren]

Answering number 2) they already said they can take the buff back so if you think its so op just wait till the next update and you will get old insti back

[solar ravine]

Thats just ToS Guardian Angel

I hope next update they add buffed Anarchist, locksmith, or Fortune teller

[frosty gorge]

I mean
Recruits could kill, but it wasn't 3 kills a night. If a werewolf was a recruit, the werewolf can only kill with the werewolves' vote and not solo, and for the Killer it doesn't change almost anything.

But in a scenario where the recruit is a werewolf, they die early, the instigator will be able to kill like a sk, and there will be 3 kills every night

[solar ravine]

@spice hedge what about just make locksmith revert back to it first release ability (keymaker)?

You can send someone key which they can use it to protect theirself. (You dont die after xxx successfully key used)

[fresh wren]

If you dont die isnt it kinda powerful

[solar ravine]

Nah

Its more balanced than new locksmith

Plus you give someone key is delayed protection

So ww can kill them while you are sending them key

[fresh wren]

Ah yes

[tranquil comet]

can u address the problem of the game ending if insti is last alive

it can kill once per night but after recruits dead it can't win in a different way than how it was before

[steady quiver]

Then its just a better bg
Cuz kinda hard to not use key when u have it

[tranquil comet]

as soon as any other team gets their win condition its already over for the instigator

[fast oar]

Atleast make insti auto win in a 1vs1

[solar ravine]

How sending key is better than BG just make it doc advanced role

[tranquil comet]

the game should not check for win conditions until either instigator is the last player standing or is dead

[steady quiver]

U have infinite protections on other player

[solar ravine]

No? After they used the key will be lost

[steady quiver]

Yeah but u can just send a new one

If they used it its just doc

[solar ravine]

And you got delayed 1 days to send them

[tranquil comet]

the code says otherwise

there is no more delay

[solar ravine]

Sending keys meaning they are unprotected

You can kill the player that got the key

[steady quiver]

Actually it still have the same problem of being easily confirmable

[tranquil comet]

yeah thats what makes it disgusting in the first place

[solar ravine]

Atleast its better than current locksmith which is better version of bodyguard with delayed n unlimited protection

[cobalt wagon]

Hey does anyone have the role icons for this bp?

[steady quiver]

This version confirm themselves faster

[solar ravine]

And you gonna claim locksmith day 1? Lol

[steady quiver]

To eliminate claim space yes

[solar ravine]

It just like nightwatchman

You can confirm

[tranquil comet]

lock protect yourself too

[frosty gorge]

Since the instigator is basically a Killer now, it would be better if they was the bandit's advanced role and not cupid.
That way the recruits wouldn't need to be from different teams and they would be able to kill during the night. This way things could be better, but the instigator's buff made him an extra killer in the match. With recruits alive, only 2 people die during the night, but now with recruits dead, 3 people can die during the night

[next cedar]

The buff does nothing to help insti

[solar ravine]

You can send someone a key which they can use it to protect theirself

Cons :

• delayed protection

[frosty gorge]

Yes, since you can die for wws and Killer, this buff would end up helping other teams

[tropic blade]

insti is just a new solo after the recruits die

tested it

[steady quiver]

Nope its not a solo

Still count as a fool in win con

[humble current]

it's just an accomplice

[solar ravine]

And your win condition is depending on ww and solo killer

[tropic blade]

so it cant win anymore on its own or?

[solar ravine]

Accomplice but worse

[tranquil comet]

its worse than an accomplice

[steady quiver]

It can but still relies heavily on ww and rk

[tranquil comet]

not even close

[tropic blade]

so how does it win?

[tranquil comet]

it doesn't

[solar ravine]

Ww and rk die = you lose

[tranquil comet]

thats the point

[steady quiver]

Just be lucky like how old insti can win

[tranquil comet]

its just spite kills

[solar ravine]

You only can win in 1v1v1
Ww kill villager and you kill ww

[tropic blade]

what is the objective for insti to win?

[tranquil comet]

yeah how often is that gonna happen

[solar ravine]

Just make insti can kill 1x per game while recruits still alive

[tropic blade]

this is fixed by giving it the same status as an acco

[tranquil comet]

the buff did nothing but just make insti more annoying than it already was

[tropic blade]

and it shouldnt be this way anyway so

so its an extra kill for no reason

[solar ravine]

Bro wanted the buff and regret

[tropic blade]

fun

[tranquil comet]

it didnt make insti win more since the game ends if any other team gets their win condition

[steady quiver]

It prob makes insti dies more

[tranquil comet]

if all ww and rk dead vill wins
if ww = villager even with insti then ww wins
aand apparently theres a bug that makes it unable to kill RK, although RK will probably just attack insti too

so yeah, extra kills for no reason

[solar ravine]

Basically the buff is made to make insti can take revenge