speculations

[versed shoal]

once used, you no longer block village win

literally only one kill

[tranquil comet]

thats not the issue here, evils already have a massive majority since the first day so having an extra kill basically secures village will never gain a majority

[versed shoal]

I mean, insti usually helps every team except the team that killed their recruits lol

if a wolf killed their recruits, kill all wolves

if village got it voted out, then fk them

if rk kills recruits (most likely) fuck yeah target rk

:)

[tranquil comet]

instigator’s who help village are kinda frowned upon tbh, even if wolf killed recruits they probably had a major reason in doing so or didn’t even know who recruits were in the first place

[versed shoal]

why frowned upon?

instigator's job is actually to get in a 1v1 situation

(once their recruits are dead)

you try to help every team equally to reach a 1v1v1 situation

It's a weird thing, but it almost got me wins as solo insti

I helped rk, until it benefitted me to not anymore

making village lose too early is bad for solo insti

[tranquil comet]

current insti once recruits are dead, their win is situationally based on what roles survive until the end, you need to keep a for last for example so that they can tag the other person leaving you as the last alive

[versed shoal]

Yeah, you try to reach that 1v1v1 state

you can win too against illu if you finesse it correctly like how I did one time

[tranquil comet]

if we take that as an example, well first u don’t know who is, you can only deduce who is evil, and secondly its no guarantee they’ll help you. and if is last ww to die its like relying on a ww to play badly to win

[tranquil comet]

you mean them forgetting to vote

shouldn’t be relying on cheap tricks

[versed shoal]

Hey, I'm in it for increasing my chances, not guaranteed wins

[versed shoal]

actually, you can build it up from the beginning of the beginning of the game. People are still people in the end with emotions and feelings. Just take advantage of it and build it up for a game

small talk is the strongest tool in this game

a talkative person will be assumed good and questioned last most of the time

[tranquil comet]

yes i know, I do this myself as well

[versed shoal]

(i don't know about ranked, I don't play it)

[tranquil comet]

but back to the point of buff

[versed shoal]

How about. If your recruits die night or day 1, you get one kill.

Not anytime

if your recruit survive to night 2, you don't get kill even if they die

(night or day 1 because day kill rk-s exist)

[tranquil comet]

nah anytime kill is not the worst thing in the world. the longer recruits stay alive, the less people can kill by themselves

[versed shoal]

what part are you against then?

about village losing?

theoretically, wolves should do in-fighting but practically it doesn't happen lmao

[tranquil comet]

yes, where replaces right now, village already had a very hard time

[versed shoal]

turn insti into a bandit adv with 1 kill per night?

[tranquil comet]

thats a controversial topic altogether

i would say the buff being proposed right now is actually what I wanted to be too

because has always had the possibility to convert as many accomplices as it wanted

[versed shoal]

there's upcoming insti buff? or are you talking about this buff?

[tranquil comet]

talking about this buff

[versed shoal]

ah

was confused for a sec

[tranquil comet]

after its recruits dies just can kill once per night, so its either solo with a kill or has a team of 3 people

it may not be strong enough to be advanced but i definitely believe that it can replace the rk slot

[versed shoal]

makes insti a bit weak for badnit

also not a convertion role

[tranquil comet]

it converts 2 people at the start of the game

[versed shoal]

Maybe, remove the link between the two recruits, and a new base role?

[tranquil comet]

its not a pure converter like the bandit tree of course

just that village currently has to deal with 4 ww, rk and insti, and fool/hh, thats so much to deal with

[versed shoal]

ww has to deal with rk killing wolves night 1-3

[tranquil comet]

it doesn’t happen every game

[versed shoal]

rk just kill confirmed goods pls

thanks

[tranquil comet]

but yeah it feels shitty having a bad rk

[versed shoal]

Tho, if you have a good rk, they can be predicted

it's good for coordinating good attacks, so wolves don't waste attack by accident, but divert slightly from the optimal route, else, wolves will take advantage

[tranquil comet]

I also was very skeptical of the insti buff at first but I had a moment of genius. because with the buff, it makes sense to have 3 ww, and the instigator team basically with instigator being the secondary killing power

[versed shoal]

3ww, insti, 1 rk

[tranquil comet]

ask how recruits die on the first night

what is the main issue

its mostly rk killing the recruits

by accident

[next cedar]

For me its always wolves

Never rk or vill

[versed shoal]

well, could be wolves accidentally accusing insti cpl day 1

happens too much

[versed shoal]

why does the wolf cpl not convince them to not attack them?

[tranquil comet]

but this occurs on the first day, where there is chat interaction involved

[next cedar]

Its inst thats why

[versed shoal]

but it's a bad idea killing them too early tho

[tranquil comet]

I’m talking like straight RNG first night kill

if one of the wolves is instigated

the instigated wolf will try to steer ww away from the instigated villager

[versed shoal]

one of the wolves being instigated is still one vote for villagers to waste on

[next cedar]

The wolves still kill my team N1

[tranquil comet]

if wolves are the only other main evil faction

then it becomes significantly less likely for recruits to randomly die on the first night

whereas if there is RK

[versed shoal]

If 3 ww, 1 insti, no other killers. then once insti team dies, 2 wolves left..

so 5 wolves, 1 insti, no rk :)

[tranquil comet]

RK could be the evil recruit so WW will be more likely to take out recruits on the first night

or RK killing the recruits as i said

[versed shoal]

wolves will HAVE to in-fight

with 5 wolves :D

[tranquil comet]

so if Instigator is strong enough that there is no need for RK to exist because Instigator itself can kill once per night after recruits are killed, all sides now have fair chances to win

[versed shoal]

Tho the problem here is that cupid can act exactly like insti

[tranquil comet]

the problem here we all know is that its linked to cupid

since cupid can’t kill

[versed shoal]

to fix all this problem, just change insti to village win when their recruits dead, ez.

no buff needed, nothing else,

village being overrun too quickly solved

[solar ravine]

Ritualist also got extra ability

[tranquil comet]

this’ll lead to more people beeaking rules

since instigator has an alternate village win condition

[versed shoal]

I mean, insti win will always give more points and stuffs for ranked etc. why wouldn't you go for insti win

[tranquil comet]

in ranked also since couple is too strong of a team, everyone loses only a tiny bit if couple or recruits win

which is a major reason why they let couples win over other evil teams

[solar ravine]

rework
nerf
block every killing role

[versed shoal]

No,

astro skip night

block every killing role is just reverting to stupid

Put astro back to first testing phase

and just skip night :P

[solar ravine]

President now can recruit 1 players as bodyguard leaving their current role

Only can be village

[tranquil comet]

the only other way to balance in say a ranked setup is to add from my point of view. ideally a stronger killer but you guys know exactly how a game ends if gunner gets instigated

[versed shoal]

skip night feels less annoying then "block every role for one night"

[tranquil comet]

by this above point i mean current insti

like no buff

[versed shoal]

bully insti will just block both seers and act like a 2nd nightmare lmao

[solar ravine]

Meh adding bully in ranked just decrease village winrate

[tranquil comet]

since Bully can’t kill instantly, village can still play around an Instigated Bully and not only that but if Bully is village then it can decrease ww votes so that village isn’t outnumbered so easily

[versed shoal]

bully's rocks is "temporary kill for 2 phases"

look at it that way

[solar ravine]

ah yes 4 days for 4 rocks

[versed shoal]

no, block person for 2+ phases and their infinitley blocked

(cuz kill)

[tranquil comet]

vigilante was the old way to balance instigator but yeah.. its clear why everyone hates vigi obviously

[versed shoal]

it's not like mute, where person can still use abilities

rocks is a straight temp kill

[solar ravine]

Replace gunner with insti in rank

[tranquil comet]

people underestimate bully i agree

[versed shoal]

perfect

[tranquil comet]

i think the problem like vigilante is simply morals

like reveals are unhealthy to the game and so is bully rocking essentially a random person every day

must suck to be targeted

[versed shoal]

bully rocks can be used for info, for blocking nightmare/shadow/voodoo/guardian, and for getting the voting advantage in a tie

[solar ravine]

if ritu failed to revive they can choose to replace revive to a sacrifice

[versed shoal]

one game, I actually used all 3 rocks differently.

one to block shadow
one to know who fool is (from blocking them and kill still happning)
and one to win the tie with fool rk vs 2 village

[left shore]

Ranked games are very fast, not like sandbox, bully suck

[tranquil comet]

yeah you can get creative with bully for sure

[versed shoal]

role block roles can act as info roles

[tranquil comet]

if its not a gunner game, there are games that go into like day 7 lmao

one time i had day 11

[versed shoal]

which is why if warden is alive and no info villagers alive, warden should take control of village info

[solar ravine]

Nah man i prefer grumpy grandma than bully

[left shore]

Sandbox just chill and waiting for information, ranked lynch and blame each other every day

[versed shoal]

then bring that thing into sandbox

[tranquil comet]

because its two different worlds

[solar ravine]

as test role, yes

[tranquil comet]

one mode actually knows that info can be easily faked

[next cedar]

Tbh sometimes its better to not have info

[versed shoal]

quick game: no infos at all, votes someone randomly

[tranquil comet]

if you understand ranked principles you won’t regard any other mode highly anymore

[versed shoal]

fun fact: if someone gets voted quickly randomly, their probably not wolf

[torpid sparrow]

What if they are

[versed shoal]

meaning, I shouldn't play ranked at all because it will ruin my fun with the game. Got it!

[tranquil comet]

why people mass rolecall day 1 is simply why casual players hate it, village need to amass every ounce of information that they can get as early as possibly to detect the outliers quicker

[versed shoal]

probably day 1

[next cedar]

I understand ranked can be more fun because people know what they are doing but also I’ve had so many bad experiences in ranked so like, no thank you

[tranquil comet]

it forces evil players to fake roles and take advantage of villagers who have a weak claim

[versed shoal]

I never play ranked within games

[solar ravine]

Random kill as witch and random reveal is a tradition

[left shore]

Claim preacher and no one trust u

[solar ravine]

Literally no one will tell them to stop

[tranquil comet]

claiming is the name of the game in ranked. you need to build trust and credibility so that you can slowly take over the game

[versed shoal]

People don't know that in endgame, if a person gets quickly voted, their probably rk and wolves voting them out

[tranquil comet]

also evil alliance is taken more seriously, thats why I’m really desperate to find a way to fix a good setup for Instigator

[left shore]

I want a mode where everyone is adv role

[versed shoal]

in the past, I did not know that wolves needed rk to live to have more chances to win

[next cedar]

Same

I always snitched before I learned that

[tranquil comet]

eh I knew since I played town of salem back a few years ago lol

[versed shoal]

fool should always go for tie endgame

[tranquil comet]

and there were also youtubers for this game when I started playing that introduced the notion of evil teams working together

[versed shoal]

1v1 fool endgames are what revealed fool should strive for

[tranquil comet]

good ol fool vs rk was the fun shit

[versed shoal]

next time someone gets me in a fool vs rk 1v1, and I'm fool. I'll vote them and not unvote

[tranquil comet]

theres plenty of endgames where fool has good chances to win

[next cedar]

Tbh some people don’t realize that when in a v v that killing fool is the best choice as sk

And then lose to a fool

[versed shoal]

yes

also, fool wants wolf voted out

or tie

[tranquil comet]

2v1v1 is a good forcing endgame for fool

[versed shoal]

2 village vs 1 rk vs 1 fool?

[tranquil comet]

yep

[versed shoal]

assuming day? or night?

[tranquil comet]

village has to risk meaning its 2 votes on rk or fool and 2 votes from rk and fool combined on a villager

[versed shoal]

village best chance to win there is to vote fool, then switch to rk last second

almost did it once with randoms

so close

[tranquil comet]

that is true but u gotta have some good co-ordinated villagers

[versed shoal]

but 1 person

[tranquil comet]

which is extremely unlikely

[next cedar]

Tbh most fools are aware/idiots and keep voting with rk

[versed shoal]

unless one of you are jailer/warden

coordination

[solar ravine]

Insti totally balanced =
3 team + can kill each night + good aura

• third party role

[next cedar]

Unk* probably

[tranquil comet]

casual players love imbalance, which is also why I’m not too shaken by the buff

[versed shoal]

a good jailer should sometimes jail villager to discuss plans and shit :0

[versed shoal]

always thought insti would be unk tbh

[next cedar]

Same, also I just like seeing inst get some love

[versed shoal]

with the role icon saying so

[tranquil comet]

I always used deadpool insti, those swords gonna make sense now haha

[versed shoal]

Bunninstigator so you can effectively claim EB

[next cedar]

If only they made abilities affected by role icons

[next cedar]

EB ded

[tranquil comet]

200iq plays

[versed shoal]

EB rrv

duh

[next cedar]

Dangit

[versed shoal]

wdym all rrv dead?

[tranquil comet]

rrv fool

[versed shoal]

Uh, new trickster update?

trickster shows as junior in role list now to hide junior, and they can change someone's role to another appearing to seers

Simple

[tranquil comet]

needs some love too

in a lot of games its pretty predictable

[versed shoal]

Just trick corrupted/off players and you're good to go

[next cedar]

problem is that it only works in combo with

[versed shoal]

Well, make up your own mechanics

I literally do this

I got revealed by vigi as trickster, I said "TRICKSTER TRICKED ME"

and they fkn voted real aura

[solar ravine]

Nah ur just skill issue

[versed shoal]

this is why I hate ranked, too serious

[solar ravine]

Actually i think trickster should make their team disguised tbh

As the buff

[versed shoal]

times like these are the highlights of my game

[next cedar]

I don’t have trickster so I don’t really think of trickster strats

[solar ravine]

Trickster + alch is a combo

[versed shoal]

trickster is really strong

[solar ravine]

Nah

[versed shoal]

:/

[solar ravine]

Shaman >

Priest hardcounter trickster

[versed shoal]

bro. with trickster, you can fake info role and say evil info and be right :)

[versed shoal]

not rly? what?

[tranquil comet]

For me personally trickster isn’t my style, I have much more success with shaman

[versed shoal]

trickster needs you to be a trickster

so much talking is needed with it

[solar ravine]

It is or any revealing role

Unless you wanna risk fake claim aura

[versed shoal]

@solar ravine I remember you for having the weirdest opinions in the game |||| (flashy emoji)

[solar ravine]

i think theres a bug where summoner can revive disguised player

[solar ravine]

||PRO|| opinion ||99% accurate||

|| never gonna give you up ||

[next cedar]

Does it turn them into a ww

[tranquil comet]

setups that encourage village to play aggressively usually favour the trickster from my point of view

while more strategic games favor shaman

[solar ravine]

Well now conju can't die as TG when got attacked or stay alive

[humble current]

trickster is better

[versed shoal]

Trickster is a really good role, and people say to buff it?!

why

[solar ravine]

Theres Trickster bug again

You can disguise afk payed

Player*

[versed shoal]

not bug, feature

[humble current]

it's not a bug imo

[tranquil comet]

I’m neutral towards trickster and I don’t really mind what happens to it

but I’d really like a second shaman adv tho

[solar ravine]

Theres a change log for it

[solar ravine]

There is, test role

[versed shoal]

Trickster is fun, especially when you make up your own mechanics

and convince people it's true

[tranquil comet]

i won once as trickster when i was doing a daily

[versed shoal]

one time I got green seer voted by claiming trickster... as sk

[solar ravine]

Theres a bug too when rk is illu and you rejoin your game u will see all dead player as illu

[humble current]

Trickster + alchemist = 🥸

[tranquil comet]

I realised one of the players was level 10 aura and i basically left both aura and detective for last

[humble current]

Trickster + corr = 🥸

[tranquil comet]

like the last 3 players was me aura and detective

and the aura saw my disguised aura instead

💀

[solar ravine]

And seer apprentice can be Informer when the informer was corrupted

[versed shoal]

people say shaman > trickster, but then game gives you

[humble current]

[versed shoal]

shaman is just bh fodder

lmao

[tranquil comet]

yeah rolecards screw shaman over lmao

[solar ravine]

Sandbox setup
Cupid + bandit is totally very balanced with only 1 seer

[tranquil comet]

but when shaman is in its home environment then shaman is just my preferred choice

[solar ravine]

Mortician fucked up sorcerer

[versed shoal]

why?

sorc is still last to get scanned

is sorc blue to spirit

[solar ravine]

Yeah and whats the point of their disguise

Yes

[left shore]

Good to every informer expect rl or resigned

[fast oar]

Yes

[humble current]

games are the best games

Shaman and wwt can rise there

[solar ravine]

And the det choose mortician

[tranquil comet]

the ritu setup in ranked is probably one of my favourites, it combines all the roles people don’t like or consider as weak (mainly advanced roles) and brings out their strongest assets

[solar ravine]

Det would have new role

[versed shoal]

Trickster can protect themselves by tricking their fellow suspect and they would be "no info" again

[humble current]

which setup exactly

[tranquil comet]

theres only 3

and each of them use a different med

[humble current]

ahh is it hardstuck silver

[left shore]

Warden + wwf

[humble current]

Ok

[tranquil comet]

they are actually gold format setups

but there isn’t enough players to support having gold league up

[versed shoal]

wwf in warden ritu setup

[solar ravine]

Remember when theres copy paste to every role to prove theirself
"I'm spirit seer. 16 and 14 killed someone last night!"

[versed shoal]

forced me to send a dum gif

[solar ravine]

Or idk what is the name i forgot

[versed shoal]

snippets

[tranquil comet]

I still consider the game my friend killed an entire village as coupled comjuror their immortal game 🤣

[solar ravine]

I had to make my own snippets as jww

[versed shoal]

"You have a wrong capitalization, ohohoh, you are fake"

[solar ravine]

Pls bring back uhh the message when u die

[versed shoal]

final message

[solar ravine]

Poet

[versed shoal]

make it a role

[solar ravine]

I forgot

[versed shoal]

fortune letter

gives people last will

:)

or a separate role

[tranquil comet]

if the stars line perfectly, conju can win any lover game even if their couple is loudmouth or something

[solar ravine]

Delete grave robber

[versed shoal]

gr should be able to grab any role

[humble current]

hardd disagree

[versed shoal]

had so much games where I just gave out info about who's not (include gr exclusion list)

and nobody is realizing

[solar ravine]

Just need more days till new update leaks vote

Vote for role change

[tranquil comet]

gr is one of the top choices i recommend beginners, simply because it can take roles that beginners don’t own

[solar ravine]

#1097127883035639848

[serene ginkgo]

Hard to do, because devs would need to add many new mechanics

Also it will provide many bugs

[versed shoal]

gets wwf instead, one of the least beginner friendly roles to have

[left shore]

[solar ravine]

Add honor first

[tranquil comet]

GR is already an inherently unbalanced role so any change to GR cannot be a bad feedback

[fast oar]

Hide levels

[solar ravine]

Hide levels but people can see ur 35 avatar slot

[tranquil comet]

its more friendly than cursed is

[left shore]

I have six

[steady quiver]

how do we remove our avatar slot

[fast oar]

I only have 3 avatar slots

So it's alright

[visual flower]

i have nine 💀

[steady quiver]

We cant

[left shore]

Rewind time

[tranquil comet]

same

[serene ginkgo]

1 slot remove will cost 100 gems💀

[tranquil comet]

i could get all the avatar slots in the world

but i chose to only have 9

[solar ravine]

People who suggest to hide level is the people that always disguise theirself as newbie

[tranquil comet]

because square aesthetic ✨

[steady quiver]

Huh, how?

[serene ginkgo]

Joke

[visual flower]

I was the one who wanted level hiding. I even made a feedback about it lmao

[steady quiver]

Ugh I want the new zodiac skins

Taking too long

[left shore]

Corr killed s.o, what should we do? Check achievement

[fast oar]

I dont want to be targeted in qg just bcs i have advanced roles

[solar ravine]

Damn it i think i can't get ww seer role card cuz i almost got limit

[fast oar]

😭

[serene ginkgo]

Nah. Level targeting, advanced roles revealing (lvl 12 can’t have a gold ww storm icon) etc

[tranquil comet]

i was probably one of the first people to target people for their level lmao i do feel guilty

[solar ravine]

I meet a level 12 that had sorcerer

[left shore]

+1 reason why golden icon suck

[serene ginkgo]

But not a golden one, right?

[left shore]

I met a lv17 with alch

[serene ginkgo]

As bandit I always convert highest level player to acc

[tranquil comet]

going for evil advanced roles first is an interesting play since nobody expects low levels to have advanced roles

[solar ravine]

Big respect to the level 12 with sorcerer for getting the hardest role and skill role as their first role card

[left shore]

[solar ravine]

My first role card was trapper🤮

[tranquil comet]

its better to pretend like you didn’t check their profile lmao

[tranquil comet]

its ok bro.. my first one was ritu

[serene ginkgo]

Ikr, I don’t say it them

I just convert

[serene ginkgo]

Illu, bomber, jelly, flagger

Are also hard for beginners, I wish I could see a level 12 with one of those roles cards

[solar ravine]

Old wwfan :
You only can win with werewolves if you are converted to ww else you lost

Old preacher :
Get extra vote when a villager was lynched and you no longer can vote after using all of your extra votr

[tranquil comet]

i didn’t know about that wwfan fact

[serene ginkgo]

Same

[left shore]

Old alch 💀

[serene ginkgo]

I thought wwf always winning with ww since role was added

[tranquil comet]

old alch was a meme lmao

[solar ravine]

Old kww

[left shore]

Luck based

[solar ravine]

Bro, jelly ain't skilled and bomber n flagger is luck dependant

[tranquil comet]

nah flagger ain’t luck dependant

[serene ginkgo]

Imagine you just not giving red pot to anyone, and telling everyone every single day you got pot

[visual flower]

🙂😙🔪

[serene ginkgo]

Jelly need to choose at night, so calculate future moves/possible checks

[tranquil comet]

i was also one of the first players who said gl my couple as cupid, like since its release

yeah i was so fricken cringe lmao

[visual flower]

I always say gl my couple

[left shore]

Cringe

[visual flower]

Ew this is so cringe guilty 👩🏻‍⚖️

[sick pond]

everyone did at one point ig

[left shore]

Cupid=afk watch some youtube

[tranquil comet]

one time my friend got stuck in a lobby and he got cupid, so i told him as a joke to say gl my couple cuz i knew he’d get dogpiled on immediately lmao

[visual flower]

LMAOOO

[serene ginkgo]

Btw, last few set ups with Cupid I have not seen anyone claiming as Cupid, but since today’s set up is released, I see every single game Cupid claiming

[visual flower]

Ngl I hate everyone who don't claim cupid

[left shore]

Cupid user just want achievement, not 80xp

Like hh user

[visual flower]

yea last week I played Cupid 50 games straight

I finally reached 350 wins with cupid

[serene ginkgo]

Wp

[visual flower]

I also reached 150 wins with hh

🥲🥲

[serene ginkgo]

I reached 150 wins as cpl, and all

[visual flower]

Same I have no job 💀

[left shore]

What about this, or recruit

[serene ginkgo]

But imma reach 50 wins as sect soon

[visual flower]

I don't have insti

[left shore]

GO GET IT

[visual flower]

OKAY

[tranquil comet]

i played instigator in quick game on purpose

W

[serene ginkgo]

You just recruited him in your cult of instigator players, how dare you

[tranquil comet]

good news for you btw, gl gonna get their reveal back

[visual flower]

I go to quick game to play as wws everytime

[solar ravine]

Nope, jelly can just always to choose theirself

[left shore]

I have a question : which role is hardest in qg?

[visual flower]

FINALLYYYYYY

YESSSD

[solar ravine]

Theres once trickster bug where they can disguise every player that ww kill lmao and cant be revived too

Sadly fixed

[tranquil comet]

cursed

thats why i always recommend upgrades

[left shore]

I think it's seer

[visual flower]

Tbh playing seer is more difficult because village sabotages your info all the time

So annoying soooo

[tranquil comet]

i didn’t have a problem to play seer in quick game

[serene ginkgo]

Oh nvm

[solar ravine]

What?

[serene ginkgo]

I missread your message

[left shore]

So what about easiest role in qg? Prob hh

[visual flower]

i go to quick game on purpose to play as advanced ww roles.

[serene ginkgo]

Well, it can, but there will be no impact on your team

[serene ginkgo]

Seer

[tranquil comet]

quick game is daily challenge haven and you can’t change my mind

[visual flower]

Every advanced ww roles are easier to win in qg

[solar ravine]

Old sect leader can

• sect werewolves
• can be bited by zb

🤖

[visual flower]

Same I win as ww twice so easily lmao

in sandbox it takes hours lol

[serene ginkgo]

Agreed, I completed win as solo in one attempt

[tranquil comet]

if you use advanced roles in quick game you also help new players learn what they do

[visual flower]

You guys need to try playing as wolffluencer in qg. Village follows you every time lmaoo

Quick game = free ww win

[solar ravine]

If just make locksmith first ability die* when used is removed, locksmith was added since 1 years ago

[tranquil comet]

it is for the most part if you’re in the game

[left shore]

Adv lol

[tranquil comet]

but in general, even village wins in quick game are not relatively hard either

as long as you’re in the game, the team who has you on their team will win

[visual flower]

am I the only one who can't win as villager in qg

Like my village throws all the time

That's why I only play sandbox

[solar ravine]

If village play fair and not keep random revealing until day 3 the game is perfectly balanced

Vigi > gunner > bully

[tranquil comet]

quick game players are more open to reveal their roles thats why its just easier for me to carry them

[left shore]

>

[solar ravine]

Newbies need someone to carry they'll just follow what you will say

[tranquil comet]

exactly

[solar ravine]

Just like me when my first time playing ToS

[visual flower]

Gunner >>>>>

i believe in gunner supremacy

[tranquil comet]

gunner is based

[solar ravine]

Vigi mostly needed

[tranquil comet]

if i am in a match where people will criticise you for early reveals as Vigi i will not play vigi

ill play gunner

[visual flower]

Vigi isn't a role which you can turn the game

Gunner can turn game but vigi can't

[tranquil comet]

gunner just has 1 more bullet than vigi does thats the thing

yeah

[visual flower]

Only one bullet isn't enough for me

[left shore]

Gunner in advanced : super op
Gunner in sandbox : no one claimed and ur reported

[visual flower]

vigi is weak for me

[tranquil comet]

for the most times, if village lets me early reveal as vigi I prefer vigi 100%

[solar ravine]

I'd prefer village to ask vigi to random reveal when no bas info

[tranquil comet]

but if not I will want gunner

[visual flower]

I will main gunner forever

[tranquil comet]

I also ask for vigi to reveal when i am vigi

cuz its really obvious when vigi says

should i reveal? or who should i reveal

it means he’s getting targeted next

[left shore]

Same thing when random reveal

[tranquil comet]

the same energy as village please report this ww he play so badly

like how can u not be ww as well

people just need to stop implying their roles so easily

i also imply my role a lot in quick game but usually to throw them off

[vocal imp]

Agreed however cupid setups will need to get adjusted due to insti maybe make cupid remplace fool/hh over cursed?

[vocal imp]

Wait what

[torpid sparrow]

Double cupid, double rk, 8 wolves

But all villagers are rsv

Wait i just realized

After all evils there are only 4 slots left LOL

[next cedar]

Consider, inst replaces ro rv and rk

[steady quiver]

if im not mistaken, this outfit contains an ee right?

[dusky perch]

yes

wait no

or yes

let me check

or wait

its has back item when u gift the outfit

[steady quiver]

Alright tyyy

[solar ravine]

I just watched @sharp python QnA and philipp say ft will get reworked?

[sharp python]

that qna is 1 year old lol

[solar ravine]

Yeah lol but probably reworked cuz ft removed or PERMA removed

[solar ravine]

|| i think we need more QnA ||

[sharp python]

with who? Philipp again?

[solar ravine]

Lisa

I like how u ask abt philipp love super idol

or || never gonna give you up||

[dusky perch]

Remind philipp for rework

[solar ravine]

So, only insti rework/buff?

And ghost lady

[vocal imp]

No there's a lot

.

[solar ravine]

Jelly ww and illu buff is unnecessary

[sweet pier]

So is ghost lady getting the nerf reversed?

Some people think she is

[solar ravine]

Still bound

[sweet pier]

Bound but reveals then yes?

[solar ravine]

Yea but

Still weak

[next cedar]

Yeah but this is the gl we wanted not the one they gave last update

[marble remnant]

removed cuz not reworked yet, sounds more accurate

its probably not gone forevever

i just hope that they indeed dont put it back at all, if they are gonna update it to something too unrelated to the unoriginal concept 😒

[solar ravine]

I wonder where salem find role description files

I only can find their mp3

[fallow gyro]

what outfits have easter eggs?

[solar ravine]

The bad love one

[lusty gull]

Is there an ee if you match the backgrounds?

[fresh wren]

Illu buff isnt needed

[tranquil comet]

alternate illu buff (revert the other buff) would be good tho

ritu should still be able to revive disguise targets tho

[fresh wren]

Yes

Ritu doesn't need a nerf right now

[whole falcon]

don't think so.

[short epoch]

what of have this eye ? ple tell me

[fluid nebula]

Nvm its not which I thought

[steady quiver]

If anyone also wants this outfit, maybe we could exchange so both of us can receive the ee background?

[steady quiver]

Yup you get this limited background when you gift it to someone

[frozen onyx]

light zodiac when (°A°)

[fluid nebula]

I think they will add it when new bp

[frozen onyx]

aaa okay then cant wait

[worn quest]

It's in the game now👀

[frozen onyx]

OOHHH thx for telling me goodbye my gems

[daring parcel]

light zodiac outfits are meh

[frozen onyx]

Well its my taste tho and i got my favs~

[stable agate]

Got 3rd Astro’s skin🥰

[empty tree]

the evolution of astros

[sharp python]

I suggested an Anarchist and Fortune teller rework to him recently. He liked the Anarchist one, he didnt react to the FT one yet.

[frozen onyx]

🛐

[solar ravine]

I would like a second QnA with philipp

[empty tree]

btw are there any ee when we match with someone in this zodiac collection?

[daring parcel]

still meh outfits for me

[grave crane]

Jesus thats so cute

[steady quiver]

It seems like it's from the 3rd astro outfit in @stable agate's post above

[dim trout]

Honestly... i would make an advanced . could give cards, but only one per day to anyone. can't give cards at d1. People can use card to reveal someone and not themself. 2 card limit would stay. It would make... less gamebreaking, i guess.

[solar ravine]

#speculations message omg

[dusky perch]

how to do this

[dusky perch]

the main problem of ft is that many ppl rushing the ppl got cards to reveal which case many throwing like if im doc why i would reveal my role to wws not only bad roles wont reveal

[static iris]

There will def be a dark zodiac collection

[marble remnant]

Revealing someone else twice is still... obnoxious and oppressive

The other limitations make sense and imo were always supposed to be there.

[marble remnant]

Discord update, does it automatically when you post links now

[dim trout]

Well... since (in my concept) would replace , you exchange a bullet for an extra reveal. Soooo something for something, just like .

And sometimes with the D1 limit, could die before he could give any card to anyone.

But if you find it still gamebreaking, we could give that, when give his first card, he cannot be protected (no matter if doc, bg or tg protect him or jailer jails him).

[chilly vapor]

i should write this here i think, is badlove matching easter egg still working? im matched but didn't came

[steady quiver]

It is

Do you need help with it?

I think making a custom match would be easier

And I’m down to make one

[chilly vapor]

i don't get how to make, just wear default skin right? or use in front chains

[steady quiver]

The chains have to be in the opposite direction

[chilly vapor]

is that works in custom

[steady quiver]

Yes it does

Mhm

I’ll show you after a match I’m in

[chilly vapor]

oh okiii thank uu

[steady quiver]

I’m done btw

@chilly vapor

What I circled are the clothes and accessories you gotta put

For the shirt you gotta use the one that doesn’t have a chain

Imma do female

You do make

*male

[limber forum]

what is the easter egg

[chilly vapor]

oh let's doo

[steady quiver]

I’m ready with mine

@chilly vapor are you ready?

[grave crane]

I Need this one still as Well :,)

[steady quiver]

Your turn now

Do male version pls

Let me know whenever you’re ready @grave crane

[grave crane]

Ayy Ty gimme a min

[grave crane]

I Take Male you Woman?

[steady quiver]

Yes

Cuz I already did woman

[grave crane]

Alrr

Whats your ign?

[steady quiver]

Dms

[grave crane]

Oki!

[visual flower]

is zodiac collection monthly or?

[vocal imp]

even if the insti buff is making the role def unbalanced we all can agree that insti will be the most fun role by far (and also the best role imo since it'll be very powerful and very fun) so lets not riot in fb for an insti revert 👀

[daring parcel]

most fun role probably and best role never. best role is wolfi fan

it works though but

only if you are the last one and no wolf alive

but not when the last wolf dies first

and villager after it

[tranquil comet]

it works most of the time its just really rare

[rugged panther]

Wym

Make gambler det adv, and itll be balanced

Gambler fits det adv

[dusky perch]

oh

#speculations message

nice

thx

[visual flower]

😐

[toxic zinc]

yea it prolly is

i dont see any reason for it to be limited, its not associated w a holiday or limited event

but then again idk

[steady quiver]

Mini collections aren’t monthly to begin with. Could be likely this one wouldn’t be monthly knowing that the other mini collections aren’t

Though I do agree that there isn’t any reasoning for it to be a limited event

[rugged panther]

Foop

[plush hollow]

If you re read it it’s not mentionned it’s a mini collection 👀
This seem like a permanent monthly collection

[steady quiver]

Oh really? Well then thats good I think

but i want the xmas collection to return

:<

around december ofc

[quaint hamlet]

hey, does anyone have the outfit with the puzzle piece heart background? id like to match with someone so i can get the ees

[dusky perch]

Still?

Dm me when you free

[quaint hamlet]

did!

[solar ravine]

Anyone want to get EE or help me get EE from this

[quaint hamlet]

which outfit is that from??

thats cute qifpgnrheid

[lusty gull]

I can help you
-dm me when you have time to do it

[solar ravine]

Dm me your user

[modest mural]

First outfit so cute 😭😭

[limpid zephyr]

It came last year in the lqbt month the first time

[modest mural]

İt will be come again?

[limpid zephyr]

I think so it comes often as daily random offer like many other skins

[pastel pecan]

Heyaa, does someone here have the unlimited talisman perk icon on png?

[limpid zephyr]

Doesn't it have also a carton box? Or was that a similar skin?

[dusky perch]

Was limited time only

[limpid zephyr]

Another Insti Loveeer😍

[limpid zephyr]

I mean golden fool looks nice but it is obvious that no lvl 17 has this card😭

[limpid zephyr]

I sometimes often get killed as insti n1 by bandit because I look like ik how the game works

[limpid zephyr]

Not true I always won as wwfan even if not cv

[quaint hamlet]

tyyyy!!

[fallow gyro]

what ees do u guys get when matching the two

[fallow gyro]

ok, thank you, im about to buy

[quaint hamlet]

yuh

[fallow gyro]

is it worth it

[quaint hamlet]

i think theyre cute

and the other items r matchable

i bought mine yesterday

[fallow gyro]

ill probs only use the shirt and the ees hahah

[quaint hamlet]

KWOFKTHEIEODC

[fallow gyro]

guys, remember the dates Friday, October 13th 2023 and November 1

there are ees on that date

[empty tree]

really?

[fast oar]

@dapper iris heres the med

[dapper iris]

wow

little mermaid

and isn't black version

tks

[half citrus]

ah that one

[desert cove]

did it justice tbh

imagine the black one as med icon

i'd die

ana is a better representation

now we just need asian role icons

[dapper iris]

we have a of in voting have black mermaid btw

[pastel pecan]

Tysm Nicky!

[fading fern]

Pffrt nubby

[fallow gyro]

OMG I DONT HAVE ENOUGH TIME I WONT BE ABLE TO GET THEM WAAHHHHH

[quaint hamlet]

awwww

[steady quiver]

BYE

IM OUT

[fallow gyro]

GOOD NEWS I GOT THEM!! i have to sleep now tho

WHO WANTS TO MATCH WITH ME TOMORROW?? ILL BE AVAILABLE IN 10 HOURS

ill be the guy

ok bye see u tmr

[dusky perch]

Why screaming

[quaint hamlet]

ooooo congrats!!

[lone spade]

Anybody know what Ee we get when gifting two outfits from the new collection?

[lusty gull]

from the light zodiac collection?

[lone spade]

Indeed

[lone spade]

@steady quiver

Thanks Leome!

[steady quiver]

Thanks 🫶🏻

We’re is that?

[lone spade]

@lusty gull you know where to find it ? 🙈

[velvet depot]

That's a bg item

Background*

[steady quiver]

Ah okay

Thank you

[lusty gull]

You can see it if you go to shop->send a gift (there is also the the type of item)

[lone spade]

Thanks Leome and Léo!

[velvet depot]

That's a future icon ?

[whole falcon]

next bp icon

[dawn parcel]

Yes

[velvet depot]

Medium so cool

[lone spade]

True

But I only like Medium and Conjuror Form Those ones

[dawn parcel]

I'm in love with Princess Ghost Lady and Red riding Conjuror

[lone spade]

Doc would be nice without the Wings

[dawn parcel]

Anyways so far from what we know (repost from o7)

[velvet depot]

What is bp 30 them ?

[steep hinge]

Medium icon sucks

[velvet depot]

You kidding he is so georgous compared to vodoo

[dawn parcel]

Icons:
buff: saved played doesn't have a number
2 new roles: and possily /
buff: Ritu can't revive disguised players
New role category for (random other)
Level hiding
Lobbies with 25/9 players
buff: endless private messages
buff: if your recruits die you will be able to kill a player every night
buff: reveals to the bounded player
and can protect
Honor system
Possible rework/buff/nerf

[dawn parcel]

Fairy Tales

[humble current]

New role category for (random other)
btw who suggested this was being added? I don't see anything anywhere

[dawn parcel]

Salem did

[stable agate]

Cool skin

[velvet depot]

Thxx

[modest mural]

Cuz gr is advanced of cursed

İt mean gr in too

I have a question, when will the sp's start to be published

I think yes

I dont know sorry 😔

[steady quiver]

Doesn’t count for what

?

[next cedar]

It counts

[modest mural]

Random a more ww its unbalanced

[next cedar]

Pretty much its any role that blind ww would see as other (besides holiday roles)

[next cedar]

Oh yeah and getting a secret rk is

[modest mural]

I think new random category name will be random solo or smtng like it

[next cedar]

Rv and rk?

[fading fern]

But if ritu is able to rev a corrupted player why not also a disguised one?

[fading fern]

I suggested this once before but it didnt whent to the devs but apperently it did now

[modest mural]

İts why illu advanced for corru

[next cedar]

Because despite illu now being in a perfectly balanced scenario the devs decided they absolutely love it out of no where

[fading fern]

Owww

[modest mural]

What is new shaman rework/buff/nerf they all different

[dawn parcel]

Not sure myself what it is honestly

I think o7 said that the Shaman would be delayed or something

[modest mural]

Well

Gl insane again

[next cedar]

I think it was that the enchant acts somewhat like jelly where it uses the ability the night before but can now enchant as last ww

[regal nova]

Sauce?

*source

[lost geode]

I saw a suggestion about shaman being able to enchanting even if they are the last wolf, Philip even replied, maybe it's about it

[modest mural]

Oh ty

[lost geode]

Just a speculation

[tranquil comet]

#wov-chat message

further proof random killer is replacable by buffed instigator

[willow zealot]

That's a different game

[willow zealot]

I know for a fact is most people's wishful thinking and it just snuck in everywhere without proof

[solar ravine]

illu aint a buff but feature

[dusky perch]

and illu not confirmed

[rugged panther]

Dang, tos undeniable evidence

[tranquil comet]

undeniabily

[rugged panther]

The new roles coming with bp at launch will be bully and blind ww, and midway will be locksmith release

[rugged panther]

Jelly can protect unlimited times?

Jelly can just keep protecting themselves lol

[fast oar]

No?

[grizzled hearth]

It means protection doesn't reveal the target

[rugged panther]

Ah

[steady quiver]

hmm

.>

[vocal imp]

Jackal huge W

[fallow gyro]

who wants to match with me with the valentine puzzle thingy outfit (i'll be the guy)

[low pelican]

Anyone know when the next upgrade role cards (gift rnd icon) event will happen again?

[lusty gull]

We know nothing.
The next "event" could be halloween but there is a possibility that it will be a bundle for 1000 Gems

[fallow gyro]

who wants to match this outfit w/ me

[pearl dew]

I can

I still need the ee tho

[fallow gyro]

ok wait until i finish the game

i also dont have the ee

[pearl dew]

Oki

What is your ig name

[fallow gyro]

Vouxes

[rugged panther]

I have this outfit lol

Whats the ee

[fallow gyro]

the ees are these shirts

@rugged panther @pearl dew

@pearl dew do u inv me or i inv u

tysmm

@rugged panther will give u too next game

[pearl dew]

@fallow gyro can we do again but switched for the other shirt

[fallow gyro]

@pearl dew YES

[pearl dew]

So u use female and me male

[fallow gyro]

sorry caps

ok

inv me

[pearl dew]

Or wait

What shirt did u get

[fallow gyro]

menu

[pearl dew]

Same

[fallow gyro]

so how get the white shirt

[pearl dew]

Ig we have to make the hearts not match

[fallow gyro]

hmm

lets try..

[pearl dew]

Since it shows a broken heart

[fallow gyro]

@pearl dew use the one that has space, not on the edge

[pearl dew]

U sure

[fallow gyro]

sure

theres a broken heart so

[pearl dew]

Ohh ye i think thats it xd

Be quick moving next to me

[fallow gyro]

ok

[pearl dew]

😌

[fallow gyro]

all random or sandbox

dont do quickgame its hard

[pearl dew]

Sand

[fallow gyro]

inv

@pearl dew i got the white shirt

[pearl dew]

Same

[fallow gyro]

tysm @pearl dew

hold on im watching an ad

[pearl dew]

Wanna play more round

[fallow gyro]

hold on

@pearl dew im in the game now

[limpid zephyr]

Sameeeeee

[solar ravine]

Why i feel like the fairy tales icon is inspired from cartoon "Goldie & Bear"

[dim trout]

Who the heck suggested buff ;-;

[half citrus]

who even agreed it💀

[pastel pecan]

@rocky pebble try BABYSQUID idk if it's still available

[rocky pebble]

GRACIAS, ME FUNCIONO!♡

[pastel pecan]

Anytime👀

[fading fern]

sus

[rocky pebble]

Somebody know EE?📩

I Need ees, please ♡

[pastel pecan]

U sus

[fading fern]

noo you sus and now shush nubby

[rocky pebble]

@fading fern u sus

[fading fern]

ssst shush!!

[rocky pebble]

Sus -_-

[fading fern]

noo shush

[rocky pebble]

@fading fern sooooo sus

[fading fern]

for sure

now shush

[rocky pebble]

Shush sus

[primal panther]

Please be respectful to other members and players please

[torpid sparrow]

I have been summoned

Please give me your orders, mortals.

[rugged panther]

Call the person who wrote above you a nub

[torpid sparrow]

That guy?

Oh hohoho

They have been banished 9 floors deep into my basement

Whats next?

[dusky perch]

i want suggest bp remake but guess ppl will be mad

[marble remnant]

Captain isnt a guy

[marble remnant]

eh people are reasonably accepting of those 'extra tiers for old outfits' kinda ideas

[marble remnant]

also maybe... using the channel for what it's intended.. aka not this?

[torpid sparrow]

Isnt 'guy' gender neutral?

[marble remnant]

depends on the person i guess, but generally not

[quartz void]

Guy is now generally accepted as gender neutral

Like dude

[marble remnant]

for dude i agree but for guy, meh, not liking it
i guess thats cause its not useful as a non-english speaker

[regal nova]

Valid

[rocky pebble]

Hi, i don't know if it's alowed but i don't find any redeem codes. If somebody can tell me ♡

[solar ravine]

BABYSQUID

[dusky perch]

SALEMPRO

[solar ravine]

Real

[quick marsh]

will zombie ever be buffed its so weak

[regal cobalt]

Any specs about which artists got in? 😭

||please tell me Shellz got in AAAAAAA||

[whole falcon]

hopefull not

[whole falcon]

and also, hopefully not

[fallow gyro]

@regal cobalt THEY RELEASED THE FIRST OUTFIT OF THE BATTLEPASS BUT ITS NOT SHELLZ 😦

AT LEAST ITS PRETTY THO

[regal cobalt]

😭I WILL LITERALLY DIE FOR THE CINDERELLA OUTIFT GOSH. I-

[regal cobalt]

Yeah AHAHAHHA 😂 Milk will work too! 💖

[fallow gyro]

I WANT THOSE SHELLZ OUTFITS

[regal cobalt]

ABSOLUTELY 😭

[fallow gyro]

IF NOT ILL BE SPENDING MY MONEY ON HER, OR AT LEAST GOLDILOCKS

[regal cobalt]

THE CROWN I NEED A CROWN

[fallow gyro]

GOLDILOCKS DIDNT GET IN SO THAT SAD

[regal cobalt]

All my money is Shellz's 😂

[fallow gyro]

YESSSS IT WILL MATCH WITH MY MEDIEVAL OUTFIT

[regal cobalt]

AHAHAH IKRRR 😭

I needed a tiara so bad and their outfit gave me hope 😭

[fallow gyro]

SHELLZ IS A QUEEN AT DESIGN

SHELLZ WILL DO OUR ORDERS EVEN THOUGH SHELLZ THE QUEEN

SO NICE

[regal cobalt]

AHAHHAH 😂

I can't wait to see them 😭 in this bp

[fallow gyro]

OTHER THAN THAT ALL THE OUTFITS IN THE VOTE WERE SO GOOD

THIS ONE IS MISSING PUPILS THO.

MUD COULDNT HAVE MADE THAT MUD PAYS ATTENTION TO ALL DETAILS ON THE EYES

I THINK MUD DIDNT MAKE ANY DESIGNS THIS BATTLEPASS?

ME PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE NEXT OUTFIT AT #item-previews :

[charred finch]

All hail shellz, both of her submission were so gooood and I want the carriage grave

[frozen onyx]

Shellz and milk's are my favs. Glad one of them is milk's

[visual flower]

I want this one so bad

I also voted for shellz mermaid outfit

[frozen onyx]

Do you know which mermaid is shellz's? Im pretty sure the purple carriage is shellz's but idk which mermaid is shellz's

[visual flower]

This one

[fallow gyro]

THATS AMAZING

who remembers when this was their first outfit? ||i even got a code for it|| i was so happy this got in

this too

[frozen onyx]

Ah I voted that one as well. It's pretty indeed

[fallow gyro]

i didnt see milk's outfit on the #item-previews at the vote, thats weird

[frozen onyx]

Weird I remembered voting that one and im happy rn it got selected

[visual flower]

Ngl this skin doesn't suit my taste-

[fallow gyro]

yeah but its stilll pretty tho

[visual flower]

is there a way to get codes from designers?

[fallow gyro]

get dmed hahah

[visual flower]

We dm them?

[fallow gyro]

get dmed not dm them

[visual flower]

ohhh

Welp I'm not that lucky. I have to grind for outfits XD

[dawn quest]

aaaaa love this one >>>>

[fallow gyro]

same

[dawn quest]

mouth, eyes, female clothes, background >>>>>>>>

imma go cry if they dont use it

[visual flower]

Same

I voted floral elf without thinking twice

[dusky perch]

mud busy with more important things in real life

[limpid zephyr]

Yeah milk does great ones

[empty tree]

hope Shellz's in this time

[limpid zephyr]

I love mud eyes, whenever she mades some they are the favorite eyes of lots of people

[feral saffron]

I don't really see 'fairy tales' in the first outfit they released. It looks nice, but it's not on theme. They always do this...

[limpid zephyr]

Now I want to have it as well 😭🥹

[fallow gyro]

literally they just made it a fairy, but its nice tho

[empty tree]

imagine comfy theme but its about sleepover theme instead

[fallow gyro]

true that

[fallow gyro]

oh yeah, pretty sure

[limpid zephyr]

Remember here sweet candy battlepass eyes?😍

[fallow gyro]

yes

unfortunately i missed that batt.epass

[visual flower]

Anyone voted this outfit? I did

I liked sm

[limpid zephyr]

I sadly don’t have it with this acc only with another acc🥲

[fallow gyro]

my votes are in #battle-pass-49-outfit-ideas

[limpid zephyr]

Omg so beaaautiful😭🥰

[visual flower]

I love nightys outfits

[solar ravine]

Will Lisa will post vote for leaks on the next update

[fallow gyro]

thats leticiel's

[limpid zephyr]

I love how they look angry a bit and not just cute

[fallow gyro]

i think

leticiel and nighty's style are almost unrecognisable difference

[visual flower]

Leticiel took break. I saw this outfit on nightys page

I heard something like this I don't know if it's true but lol

[fallow gyro]

that style looks more like leticiel

but leticiel i havent really seen

so probs taking break

[visual flower]

Yeap

[fallow gyro]

is this rlly #speculations related?

haha

[toxic zinc]

to me it still looks like night designed it lol

[fallow gyro]

to me it looks like leticiel did

[limpid zephyr]

I mean we speculate

[empty tree]

[fallow gyro]

i wish someone could pin the difference of leticiel and nighty's style😂

[empty tree]

[visual flower]

Welp I always wanted leticiels outfits to win

Leticiels outfits are so underrated

[fallow gyro]

only nighty's outfits have won so far

i hope shellz gets in

thats like the millionth time ive said that

[solar ravine]

I will get insti when it get buffed

[short orchid]

Two outfits from Milk? That's a lot

[agile basin]

If they are good enough, never is a lot 🤷

[tropic blade]

good enough = disney copy

[inland hare]

#item-previews message Both are girl version?

[solar ravine]

Why i feel like the evil form is just Conjuror

[visual flower]

Poison apple is really good but what about male players?

[empty tree]

yes

poor males

[visual flower]

Yea :///

[solar ravine]

The next one prob 2 male

[inland hare]

🤔

[visual flower]

Welp it's not fair if they give multiple spots for same designer

[inland hare]

Beside the first one, I believe Milk has made another one better than this #item-previews message but no idea

Say to me the reason because everyone voted for that 🤯

Imagine

[solar ravine]

I mean people want good outfits