#Deeper lore discussion MAJOR SPOILER THREAD

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balmy walrus
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Hi! Wanted to make a free-discussion thread for those further into the story to freely discuss and react to the later parts of the main quest and its implications to the lore.

MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW.

Of course still use spoiler tags maybe? (not sure if mods would prefer that).

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Deeper lore discussion MAJOR SPOILER THREAD

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||This is where we theorize who is and is not a prime, haha||

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||Seargent o'Prey's prime status is dubious because we don't know if he has died or not||

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||Macawesome - didn't get answer on who was the prime||

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||Also the Foxy Goldwood drop was really nice!!||

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||Also the three video clips, especially the meet and eat one was very cool||

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||Also Dogna being born from a regular dog||

old jungle
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|| The prime and also oldest super animal is the first Skullcat. We already knew them before the SAW Expansion. They already have a name now, Skully the First. ||

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-# || I wish can meet them during not in battle royale... ||

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|| Skully is an eepy skullcar ||

kind prism
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|| dogna’s dialogue suggests otherwise? she mentions that super foxes existed before the first super skullcat ||

balmy walrus
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||also feel free to talk about other aspects of the lore uncovered in SAW!||

balmy walrus
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||hi my name is larry im a super tiger i come prepared with scallions||

runic light
balmy walrus
runic light
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||Oooh, thanks. So we see these somewhere during the quests ?||

balmy walrus
wicked scroll
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spoilers for rabbita's photos and all that.. ||speaking here because of my insanity into beauty sloth lore and spoilers... uh.. wow. if thats who i think it is in the photo.. huh..||

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||That explains why ive heard her singing pete's song||

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||This more or less confirms my theory on her certainly being a Prime too at least.||

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balmy walrus
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👀

wicked scroll
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Ok full honesty

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I thought ||Meet n' Eat was a dining experience similar to how you can sit down and eat meals with super animals at the Table with you.||

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||I genuinely wish I could go back to thinking it was like that.||

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||I really do.||

balmy walrus
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||ok seriously tho. what do super animals taste like. brb meet and eat||

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||they're clearly food safe as shown that they are a crucial ingredient of health juice||

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||are humans indirectly drinking health juice when they eat super animals?||

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||or superite||

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# balmy walrus ||ok seriously tho. what do super animals taste like. brb meet and eat||

||the livestock animals are self explanitory, Deer and squirrels and so one, definitely a bit mor gamey but not too out there. Tiger meat or even I feel like, monkey or chinchilla meat or something. even Dog meat...... that's definitely exotic, barring the super animal-ness. ....what's messed up is just, knowing that what im eating had a life, had wants and dreams and stuff. thats bordering on horror. that's a horror story. Im enthralled by this.||

balmy walrus
wicked scroll
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||TRUE||

mossy socket
wicked scroll
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MAN, at the end of the day

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I love how much this update recomtextualizes stuff I’ve grown accustomed to, and is also teaching me way more about the world

balmy walrus
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||naughty otty|| haha

raven spire
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man... I feeling like in pain from this end

lean talon
raven spire
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Just... ||kinda feeling in between the SAW and SASR. Yes SAW commited a lot of crimes, but SASR also has a lot of dirty work. And kinda felt afwul when entire work of ours and other animals got discarded by SASR. Also it seems that Pup (player character) is more SASR aligned in the end||

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Tbh, I love more of Neutral sided NPCS

balmy walrus
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||SASR ruled the island for months??||

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also I love how ||the UNSC wanted to nuke SAW||

raven spire
balmy walrus
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closer view of the image

raven spire
raven spire
spice karma
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||Confirmation that Finch does not give a s#$% about liberation, he just wants power and to potentially take over the world||

balmy walrus
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||on the other hand you have slavery and literally being used as food||

spice karma
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||True, albeit in the past, Super Animal World seems..... kind of functional? in the present||
||The Finch's betrayal of Cheese Goudara was nothing more than a simple power grab||

balmy walrus
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||was Moosevelt in power during the Incident?||

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||who was leading SAW at the point of the Incident||

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||Foxy Goldwood was only the face of SAW, but not the leader right?||

spice karma
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||Yeah, pretty sure the executives were in charge then||

balmy walrus
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||probably humans? what was dogna doing then||

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||oh yeah dogna was in the lab that got raided||

spice karma
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||The fact that we are directed to Cowlamity Jane before getting the finished SASR film feels telling||

kind prism
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|| of course I’m not saying Finch is secretly part of SAW

I think the betrayal of Cheese Goudara’s was due to a difference in the extremity of their goals

Both want the SAW Corporation gone

But I think the line was that Goudara wanted independence for Super Animals, but Finch wants to enslave humanity and become the ruling class
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balmy walrus
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||is kaity o prey undercover SASR???||

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||why does the SASR trust her with it||

rare frigate
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who is kaity o prey hawk_doubtful

balmy walrus
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kaity o predator

rare frigate
balmy walrus
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||also is it Saharaland Shantytown or The Western Edge||

kind prism
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|| I think the class of each Super Animal breed reflects this

To me, are two primary forms of class exploitation for Super Animals

Cheese Goudara and the barn animals would fall under Exploitation of Resources (producing Milk, Wool and other materials)
These are Animals that toil away in the background and never get the same recognition.

Finch and the stage animals fall under Exploitation of Image (producing Amusement, Arts and other crafts).
These are animals whose identities, works and ideas are used to sell and advertise under the pretence of the limited freedom they have

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balmy walrus
raven spire
balmy walrus
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||maybe he saw what the Finch was doing, wanted to escape with Donk to say "hey! this finch guy is up to no good" and failed||

raven spire
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Maybe. ||Maybe after seeing Finch order the human shoot out was: "Oh crap, this escalated out of control! I need to find Donk! "||

balmy walrus
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||Going out of canon here, but maybe Goudara wanted a less-highkey coup de etat rather than a revolution, but Finch wanted a revolution?||

kind prism
# balmy walrus ||Also the difference of goals between Cheese Goudara (freedom of Super Animals)...

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Yeah if I was to summarise the ideologies of the two

Cheese Goudara was forced to scrounge for the scraps of his own work and wanted nothing more than the recognised independence of Super Animals, that they are their own people and not commodities of SAW

The Finch was trapped in a gilded cage and recognised the nature of his existence, but instead be wanted to be the one gawking at humanity
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balmy walrus
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||Literally Animal Farm||

kind prism
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Yeah

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I mean the game does like dropping lots of references ||(there is literally a quest called ‘Some Super Animals are more Super than others’)||

balmy walrus
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XD

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descartes

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||I still want to know how the months of SASR rule were||

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||this was the first time it was mentioned the incident to the battle of super animal farm was not instant or within a short period||

kind prism
# balmy walrus ||there must be a reason he escaped with Donk||

|| I think Donk could have slipped the revelation that humanity may not have been as terrible/unreasonable as they seemed

Super Animals wouldn’t really have had an interaction with a normal human, the clientele of the island were the absurdly wealthy, who tend to be quite sociopathic (which is the reason why places like the Shooting Range and Meet and Eat exist)

The idea that there could very well be SASR support amongst Humanity themselves could have been the tipping point for Goudara, since prior to this, the only interaction with humanity was cruel and unusual (as seen in Werzernog’s tapes)

He likely fled with Donk because he was the only medium that Goudara had with the outside world
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strong umbra
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||After finishing the questline myself... id also have a bit of a thought.||
||this would implicate BOTH catfive and werner in the crime as well (as well as "pup").||
||especially "pup" and catfive. though i won't be as surprised if this is what SAW corp (including SAW-SF) wanted if it'd mean that finch's personal thoughts also leaked through the film||
||as for "pup", i do feel guilty having to deal with doing the final deed. yet at the same time i feel like mcarfur might understand the situation (considering he's part of the incident).||
||alignment wise, i could put "pup" (our MC in a way) as "SASR, SAW aligned" (could also be full neutral had joining SASR but defecting against it won't have much consenquences as goudara's).||

balmy walrus
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I think player character is just quadruple cross agent

raven spire
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I think it's more like: I don't fully agree with you, just doing this becuase they ask me to do it

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||I think Werner sent us to cows to fully convince us that rebelion is the "right" option||

old jungle
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-# || i wonder about that calendar for, with crown mark ||

hazy terrace
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i actualy believe that cheese set up the incident since the top preformers talked about being recruited by cheese imself

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its also showend that the finch kinda regrets is action and is actualy hurt by cheese betrayel

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in one of ribbitas photos we see the finch and cheese in the barn and the look like best friends so we can assume that the finch was hurt the most by cheeses betrayal.

spice karma
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I'm not so sure about that....

hazy terrace
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i think its because he was the first to intrude into the show and kill foxy

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also the finch never talkes about world domination and only focuses on the war itself

spice karma
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How far are you into the questline?

hazy terrace
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i just finished ribbitas photo questline so i probabli don't know much.

spice karma
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Yeah.... I suggest you continue with the questline....

hazy terrace
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gotcha

balmy walrus
hazy terrace
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damm the finch is kinda of a megolomaniac.

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in my opinion the sasr got the moral highground but also saw as a reason to do what there doing.

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(except with meet n eat)

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my theory is that at the end of the sart show sasr and saw will come togethere and somehow will stop the humans from launching the nuke:

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one of my guesses is that saw files get relesed to human eye and protest to leave saw island begin in the world (i trust this theory because we saw humans protest for less)

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maybe they will even trap the finch in the same cell as cheese

balmy walrus
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anyone with access to the S.A.W. finished cutscene can hear what moosevelt is saying?

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in the ||liberation scene||

runic light
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I just saw the ||SAW cutscene||, this is so cool !

marsh hornet
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||I JUST realized that the SAW tickets are LITERALLY tickets to visit Super Animal World. After the incident their original purpose became obsolete and now they are used as an official currency||

balmy walrus
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||why does the player not simply take the briefcase of 10,011 saw tickets for themselves? are they stupid?||

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||were you looking for this briefcase of 9,011 saw tickets, general? oops I mean 8,011||

runic light
balmy walrus
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||I'm just really happy we finally know the reason why Goudara is or is not a "rat"||

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always maed me wonder

runic light
# balmy walrus ||I'm just really happy we finally know the reason why Goudara is or is not a "r...

||I just saw the SASR movie. To be honest, I feel like the most logical possibility is that Goudara was trying to chase Donk, as said by Furzdog.||

||Also, side note but there's no way this going to end well. I mean don't get me wrong, I love it, but either SAW is going to continue to exist, either the UN is going to nuke the island and eradicate super animals. Especially with the SASR movie almost quoting 1984 ("freedom is slavery", etc) and wanting to invade human territory.||

balmy walrus
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||because it says "super animal farm liberated"||

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||the one that makes me wonder if its current is "rabbita wins pultizer" but she could've forgotten that||

runic light
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||Well yeah it is old. I think so.||

balmy walrus
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||yeah it is old||

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||international fallout from the incident continues||

runic light
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||I think for now Pixile Industries (and thus SAW) is likely walking a fine line, with the international community tolerating it. But should a large scale rebellion happen again, we can expect a military intervention from human forces.||

balmy walrus
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||probably why SASR is probably also pixile industries plant||

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||I mean even the SASR has bananos. and they can surveil everyone via it||

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||even the film we help make is likely just a plant/to fearmonger humans into not being too vocal against animal suffering||

runic light
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||Wdym by "plant" ?||

balmy walrus
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||faked basically||

runic light
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||Ooh ok. I see.||

balmy walrus
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||just to keep up the appearance of opposition||

runic light
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This is conspiracy theory territory, but hear me out.

||We know that SAW soldiers have the explicit order to not attack the main rebel base despite knowing exactly where their leadership is.

Not only that, but rebels also seem to use SAW technology, such as BananOS, etc.

Finally, we know that the Finch is an authoritarian, power-hungry figure.

Would it be that much of a stretch to think that SASR and SAW are only at war to better endoctrinate and controle their respective super animals ? Much like how, in 1984, the superpowers are constantly at war not for conquest but to keep their population obedient (there even is a protagonist who theorises that the war is fake, and that Oceania just bombs its own population).

SAW knows it cannot eradicate the rebellion, and SASR knows it cannot overthrow SAW without human intervention. So they just keep the status quo on purpose to preserve their respective power.||

balmy walrus
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||I think Peep got too aware and having friends is dangerous||

runic light
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||Yeah, probably. Which means SASR and SAW basically practice thought police using BananOS : the 1984 parallels keep accumulating. sheep_sobbing

We must rebel against the rebellion xD.||

balmy walrus
verbal sonnet
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It’s me or they are two rebelion ? The two cow and sheep in the desert town say their teeth are bared differently and the sheep do not wish to return to with his brother

balmy walrus
verbal sonnet
remote ledge
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||I think the comedy panda is a prime.||

||They said that they were white, black, and red all over after getting beat by SAW dogs. They apparently survived it and killed all of them afterwards.||

runic light
# verbal sonnet Tell me more

||I think officially they're part of the same rebellion but the Finch's authoritarianism and hunger for power likely pushed a few rebels to take their distance.||

eager mauve
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||one thing to note is that there are several phases that the sasr movement went through, it started as discussion in super animal farm started by "the rat", and quickly became a grassroots uprising, after that the rebellion leadership was under the rat for a while, then either the rat betrayed sasr, or the finch betrayed the rat, and finally in the present they end up as the background from-the-shadows type presence we see in the social hub||

verbal sonnet
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balmy walrus
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||I find the captn's rebellion past hilarious, like he's the one that tells you to find the SAW governor leading to your death, but he's actually internally hating himself for it||

eager mauve
balmy walrus
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||Is S.A.W.'s viewpoint coherent as well?||

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||I haven't noticed anyone sticking out||

balmy walrus
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||also do these match the in-game NPCs?||

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||oh crap, it's them||

balmy walrus
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who are these?

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||also there is only one penguin here||

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where did the rest go

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also ||what was furzog doing during the incident??||

balmy walrus
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also what happened to them?

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balmy walrus
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||Actually you know the sailor outfit in a suitcase on victory island||

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||Might've been the ottercle's||

raven spire
balmy walrus
kind prism
# balmy walrus who are these?

|| I assume the Hyena is Carl (since he originally had Pro-Rebellion tendencies) and the penguin is the one that works with Thomas
Not all who participated in the Incident kept their beliefs in the rebellion ||

balmy walrus
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https://wiki.animalroyale.com/wiki/The_Incident

lore enjoyers please check!

Super Animal Royale Wiki
The Incident

The Incident was a pivotal attack by the Super Animal Super Resistance on Super Animal World's human visitors at the Super Animal Super Stage during the "Super Animal Super Show". In front of a human audience, the Rebellion performers pulled out their weapons, and began firing indiscriminately. This coincided with attacks across the island, lea...

balmy walrus
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which SART episode showed waddlesworth and the rebel penguins again?

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lemme watch again

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no, there is no waddlesworth in here

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it's one of the rebel penguins in the house

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what did Rabbita do after the incident?

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did she evacuate the island?

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the same for Dogna

balmy walrus
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||Noticed a plot hole, General tells you to go to Donk for Goudara's whereabouts, but Donk wants a latte, and never gets back to the topic of Cheese|||

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so we don't know where donk was during the incident still

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kind prism
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Ok, given Rabbita’s photos, there is an implication || that there are Gestation Pods off the island ||

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|| SAW could have holed up at victory island, but I feel like it is far too small to have the resources to launch a counterattack ||

strong umbra
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||one of the pics does show mcarfur and the dogs going to the coasts of SAW in a carrier rowboat a la D-Day. but it does seem like it's not enough to gain anything until Donk came along and give some extra info on where the SASR's main Base of Operations was.||
||though the fate of guodara are still unknown to everyone except finch's side of SASR||

balmy walrus
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anyone spot catfive in any of the incident videos?

balmy walrus
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I just took a look at Seadog's welcome dialog again

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And lmao he's so reluctant to send you to moosevelt

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"He'll give you a... welcome, I guess"

rustic agate
balmy walrus
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wait wait wait wait hold up

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where was the finch during the incident

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I do not see him on stage

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what animal is this guy?

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badger?

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Pie of Tiger and Earporium used to have glass walls

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balmy walrus
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Re-watched SART S2E1 and was the thing "they've been working on for decades" that didn't work out dragons?

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Aoki was on stage during the incident

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Why doesn't he say anything about it?

strong umbra
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probably complicit in making "the incident" happen
||especially with one of the tapes needed both him and naughty(nauty)/sea dog to be obtained||

balmy walrus
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"whatever side he is on is totally inaccessible"

strong umbra
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whoops.
forgot he said that.

though he did not appear on the main pictures of "the incident" as well (baaarbershop quartet blocked the view of him before foxy were darted and aoki can be assumed to be able to get away from the incident)

balmy walrus
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they were only introduced in the next sart

balmy walrus
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Can anyone identify MacGrrrBark (songbird SAW dog) in any of the pre-SAW material (e.g. SART)?

mossy socket
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balmy walrus
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Cinnamon ferret might be the same guy in both

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might also be able to identify who escorted dogna out

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was cinnamon ferret at labs

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wait hmm

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oh yeah, in hamsterball

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this is other ferret

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is rabbita S.A.W.?

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or neutral

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1 Corgi
1 Greyhound
1 German Shepard

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German Shepard

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Greyhound

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balmy walrus
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where's the corgi

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hmmm there might be more dogs during tutorial

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that complicates things

balmy walrus
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the songbirds look like performers

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but i can't find anyone that looks like them on any posters

analog dagger
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I have no idea how far Pixile wants to go with the story but || I feel like there needs to be an alternative to SAW and SASR; and it seems like the rebels in the shanty town west of Sahara land were set up as that third party. ||

If the story has an endgame, I feel like || cloning technology needs to be destroyed and all lab labs killed. Howl Michaels (the Zombie Joes incident), The Finch (for obvious reasons), whoever enjoyed killing humans during the incident, and both Joes (again, for obvious reasons) also need to bite the dust. ||

|| I would also add Macawesome to the needs to die list (sells stuff for SAW tickets and pays you for stuff with Carl Coins? Die scummy bird!!!) ||

balmy walrus
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I think ||Incident Penguin|| might've been ||the penguin palace singer supported by penguin dialogue||

quiet sable
balmy walrus
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notable:
McGrrBark
One red panda
One zebra
One fennec fox
One dove(?)

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also Respawning Tanks enabled the royales?

flat scarab
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Well. I watched the SASR documentary.
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The Finch is terrible for the movement. You have a documentary which actually manages to show the evils of SAW and he ruins everything by talking over Werner in order to threaten people and rant about taking over the world.

While I think that Dr. Dogna is overall on the wrong side, she IS right that the island exists at the humans' mercy. The SASR and Super Animals in general are not operating from a position of strength, and threatening the rest of the world is just a ticket to getting nuked. The SASR is right to oppose SAW. The SASR is right to oppose commercial death games for human entertainment and corporate enrichment. But they tread a fine line.

That's my read on things anyway LOL.

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tl;dr SASR is more-or-less in the right in the grand scheme of things but they will never achieve anything meaningful with the Finch for a leader (IMO)

verbal sonnet
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vocal sun
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It's overgrown with vines

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It can't be mainland because then there's no point in an eagle airport

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I wonder if it's like a park and stay thing

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But that wouldn't add up either

sweet saffron
vocal sun
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First place you spawn

sweet saffron
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Well I was more wondering if it'd be a larger dock, for something like a cruise ship. Because the welcome center dock seems smaller and designed for a ferry, and a ferry would be less likely to be able to cross the ocean to get to the island.

old jungle
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I wonder if there's another out of bounds map other than the airport at victory island

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There is an unused runway with an abandoned control tower below of map

balmy walrus
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Is cap'n seadog a prime

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As well as ottercle

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I just thought

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As well as finch and a lot of the rebels

vocal sun
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Of the ATC tower

balmy walrus
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Assumption: Goudara was a farm worker?

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balmy walrus
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I swear up and down we have seen an image of pete and the swampcats

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But where?

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It was in a youtube video somewhere

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Lore nerds please lock in and find it

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For the wiki!

vocal sun
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In the slow jam pass

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Can't be to sure

flat scarab
remote ledge
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What happens if you complete none of the Finch's quests? Is the ending different?

obtuse verge
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I think you can basically slip by as a double agent for both SAW and the rebels

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Speaking of Pete... Do we know if he's a rebel? all his prime sloth family are, so it makes me wonder if he is too...

balmy walrus
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beauty sloth is beauty sloth

obtuse verge
balmy walrus
obtuse verge
south ferry
# balmy walrus I swear up and down we have seen an image of pete and the swampcats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g-6MeNSLHs
Here, it has a flashback to them in this vid!

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Season 6 Trailer: Slow Jam | Super Animal Royale

Season 6 is here! Play Free on PC/Mac + All Consoles: https://AnimalRoyale.com
See the Season 6 highlights in the Developer Overview: https://youtu.be/Q3zntQTOYdI
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A new season of Super Animal Royale is here, with the Slow Jam Pass, Super Crocodiles, Lu...

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hallow sapphire
rocky moss
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||what’s funny is most of the stuff that was revealed by the videos I more or less had guessed before the big update just based on the environmental storytelling and the little hints Super Animal World Tonight had before the big update. It was really cool to have those theories validated||

balmy walrus
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||I do hope eventually we will see the deeper meaning and deeper forces connecting Super Animal World to the bigger world. My theory is that there is no way the humans just let the super animals keep respawning pods and all-accompassing gene editing, it must be in preparation/testing to use them on humans||

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||We've already seen the connection hinted in the possible UNSC strikes on Super Animal Island||