Please increase the odds for this quest

[fast mirage]

yeah but like

[obtuse sage]

the odds being that low for a quest that isn't intrinsically rewarding (meaning the activity itself is not fun) is a large ask

[fast mirage]

people have jobs

and responsibilities

[fresh remnant]

Yeah, that too

[fast mirage]

reasons they cant play for 50 hours to get one cosmetic

[slate garden]

Ye but its not a limited time quest , you can do it in a year

[fresh remnant]

I was about to fall asleep twice opening clams, lol

[obtuse sage]

i would love to 100% SAR one of these days, it's one of my favorite games. but there's a reason i stopped soft resetting shiny pokemon and the reason for that is i didn't want a significant chunk of my life being taken up by something that's not even really that fun to do

[torpid timber]

I'm honestly kind of indifferent on whether it gets changed at this point but for what it's worth, from what little shiny hunting I've tried, I genuinely enjoyed this more than that.

[obtuse sage]

not how statistics work ! theoretically, there is someone out there who could do this for 10 years and never receive a black pearl

[slate garden]

Again, I apologize if my comment seemed rude. I like you all very much and I respect everyone here, and I'm also a big fan of the game. I'm just sharing my opinion as a player.

[obtuse sage]

i didn't think it was rude, i just find the argument a bit silly since i touched upon that exact point early lmfao

*earlier

[obtuse sage]

this could still be true for the record, regardless of how low the odds might be considering i found a gold pearl before my second purple one, but lowering the odds means a higher likelihood that it'd be far less of an impossible task for a lot of players

[fresh remnant]

Yeah, I just wish the quests were completable for players who just want to open 25-50 clams per day. I don't want to have to open 600–1000 clams per day just to increase my odds.

[obtuse sage]

if we're still thinking about shiny pokemon, there's a reason there have been methods introduced that have made the process more accessible for more people over the years. that level of generosity for something that has about zero actual effect on gameplay versus something where the rewards may potentially lock people out from 100% completion

[fresh remnant]

Since it's boring

[slate garden]

But 99% of the other quests was so easy. I mean, what's the matter of just having 1 special one?

Literally every single other i was able to rush them

So basically now im sitting with no quests besides the legendary fish and bugs

[obtuse sage]

the legendary fish + bugs have more strategy to them than the clams

[slate garden]

I wish all quests were just little bit more difficult , less than 2 weeks I basically did everything on a game that took years to release

[obtuse sage]

i have those quests completed already lol

[slate garden]

Wow, those are hard. Also do you know there's a fish with odds lower than the black pearl?

The tiger one

[obtuse sage]

that's not true

1/10,000 is .0001%

[slate garden]

0.71% of appearing + 1/71 chance of being perfect

[hoary heath]

Yeah, fair enough. Maybe make some current quests we have easier (looking at you zombie kill/infect and SvR 5 caps as Scout 2), and make more quests in the future that are harder

[obtuse sage]

tiger tiger shark is 0.71%

[slate garden]

But + 1/71 being perfect

[fresh remnant]

black pearls are 0.01%

[slate garden]

Ye..

[fresh remnant]

Oh, I wasn't referring to you xD. My bad

[fresh remnant]

^

0.0001 converted to percentage = 0.01%

[slate garden]

Ye I know but im agreeing with you

[fresh remnant]

Oh

[stiff idol]

im with victor on this, not to be rude at all though and i understand the frustrations players have with the quest and it shouldn't have been designed as a quest

but as for the actual rarity of the pearl, it should definitely stay untouched. changing it would be injustice towards all players who have already gotten it, and it's also just nice to have rare things in games because it adds another layer to things you can do, and it isnt hurting anyone to have them there (other than the frustrations caused by the quest)

[slate garden]

This fish tiger on perfect has the same odds

[fresh remnant]

Here are all the pearls in percentages

Ignore all those zeros added to the black pearl 😭

[slate garden]

Same odds for perfect tiger tiger shark

[obtuse sage]

there are multiple other legendary fish that you have the opportunity to catch a perfect of, and no quest completion is locked down to having one specific perfect legendary

[stiff idol]

in other words, the problem isnt the pearl, but the quest

so fix the quest, not the item

[obtuse sage]

versus one specific rare pearl

[slate garden]

But you'll have a quest to get all perfect

Tiger tiger shark has same odds as black pearl

[stiff idol]

how are perfects calculated? is it just a random number between 250 and 320?

[obtuse sage]

i wasn't aware of that quest, but i have the same issue with that as i do this specific one

it just rings of artificial padding for the sake of it

[slate garden]

I've seen some people here earlier talking this, so I imagine that's it..
So tiger tiger shark 0,71% odds appearing + 1/71 because of his size.

Equals to same black pearl odds

[fresh remnant]

Oh, I see

[slate garden]

It ranges from 250cm to 320cm if im not wrong

[stiff idol]

if thats the case then its 0.0071 * 1/71 which is exactly 0.0001 yeah

[slate garden]

Ye

[obtuse sage]

i just assumed the devs were reasonable to exclude this from completion lol

[fresh remnant]

[stiff idol]

i also didnt know there was a quest for it

i thought it was just catch one perfect legendary

[fresh remnant]

Nope 😭

[slate garden]

They will ask you to get all perfect fish's + bugs

[stiff idol]

also to be fair, the perfect legendary is slightly easier

not only are fish ponds local but you can also know when a fish is legendary from the sparkles so you dont have to waste time interacting with it

[obtuse sage]

yeah in that case, i don't think this makes it any better lol

[fresh remnant]

Yeah, agreed

[obtuse sage]

well, the sparkling in this case does actually make it somewhat better than the black pearl quest

[stiff idol]

by local i mean you can fish and it doesnt impact other peoples ponds

[fresh remnant]

That too

I wish clams were local

Since opened clams extend pearl hunt times

[stiff idol]

they probably should have been, but i do enjoy their design causing swarms of ppl around when the quest launched

[fresh remnant]

Yeah

[stiff idol]

but other than that, would have been better design for them to be local like nearly everything else is

also for some reason bug catching isnt which completely nullifies the idea that bug catching is a social activity in my opinion

because who wants to hunt for bugs with friends when only one of you can get the bug

at least with clams you can open it and everyone gets the pearl if they are nearby

[slate garden]

Ye that's true. I was opening with my girlfriend and she got her first gold pearl and I also got it 👍

[stiff idol]

but im getting off topic

i feel like ive repeated myself a lot in this thread lol, but yeah, the quest itself is flawed in design since there are completionists who get annoyed by it + its stuck on your screen forever until you do it

but the item itself is awesome and should stay rare, its ok to have exceedingly rare things in games, it makes it super cool when they finally happen and i love rare things in every game i play because its just something else to look forward to once youve done everything else

[obtuse sage]

honestly... if some of these were considered "shadow achievements" (or "shadow quests" i guess), then i would have less of an issue with it on the completionism side of things

[stiff idol]

black pearl would have been way cooler to come across naturally, the fact that it was revealed so early via quest not only ruined the surprise but also made players feel a need to grind for it which made it less special in a way

[torpid timber]

It really should've been a secret milestone like the ||Beauty Sloth Beanie|| was.

[fresh remnant]

Yeah, same

[fresh remnant]

The SAR community also made pearl hunting more popular than it should be, imo

[stiff idol]

true but imagine early on, someone getting one and you just hear about it but never see it

[obtuse sage]

since cosmetics are locked behind paywalls in some parts, i don't feel inclined to see having all of them as a completion contingency. because then it'd just be a matter of having a large enough wallet too lol

[stiff idol]

its like an old school pokemon rumor lol

[slate garden]

Is there any other item like that?

Also, I like that it was revealed on the quest. Because in this way people look at it with "wow that's so cool" and they know where it is from. Because otherwise if I've seen someone using it I would just ignore

[stiff idol]

the quest confirms its existence, it would be cool if ppl were unsure about its existence due to its rarity, i know it would have only lasted a few days until it was pretty much confirmed (technically less bc dataminers but im ignoring that) but i think "urban legends" in games are cool

[slate garden]

You got any other black pearl recently? Last time we talked it was 2

[torpid timber]

I would've loved if the only hinting at it was purely dialogue from Louie instead of an actual quest.

[stiff idol]

no i mostly stopped playing sar for certain reasons

ill probably return after updates or just to play with friends

[slate garden]

Any ETA of big update ?

[stiff idol]

for sar? they are updating tomorrow but its just new super animals

other than that no, it will probably be a while sadly

but im not pixile so idk

[slate garden]

You bought the youtooz?

I bought the zombies. But now thinking id rather use the crown than those in-game lol

[stiff idol]

i bought the beanies but i sent them to my friends house because he said his grandparents love plushies

i just wanted the codes lol

[slate garden]

Which beanies?

[stiff idol]

well they were plushies, but the codes give you beanie hats

[slate garden]

Ohh nice

[hushed quail]

Mate I can barely be online the only reason I can be of something is annoying as hell so I have to report it to people

[hushed quail]

I literally fallen asleep when we were together hunting gold that why I always calling it off or do rounds

[fresh remnant]

Lol

[hushed quail]

Do they?

[hushed quail]

Adding more Killing Quests would be nice

[hushed quail]

I have one Safe for my pal if Dev ever decides to add Trading

[hushed quail]

I had literally 4 perfect Tigers but Zero Gold pearls

[hushed quail]

Should be like treasure Hunting instead like The Superites

[hushed quail]

Lucky bastards 😂🤣

[hushed quail]

The what?

[fresh remnant]

||You have to wear specific cosmetic items to unlock it||

[hushed quail]

Is it separate?

[hushed quail]

Do you know which?

[torpid timber]

||Base Sloth Breed, any of the basic flower pins, and any of the basic dresses||

[oak heron]

Friend of mine got it and the time I spend on farming clams is like 10x their total playtime or something

[obtuse sage]

there's more intentional planning behind timing things so that you can seek out a fishing frenzy in the biome you need to catch a legendary in

i said this before i was aware that there was a quest to collect all perfects

[hushed quail]

Legendary bugs have no glowing

Fishes

Do

[obtuse sage]

you can see the legendary bugs like. ingame

[fresh remnant]

Yeah

Unlike fish that are just shadows in the water and need cues so players know where to cast their fishing rod.

[hushed quail]

How to do I know it's Is a legendary or not?

[fresh remnant]

You'd have to catch one to know if that bug is a legendary or not

The bug hybrids are mostly legendary, I think

Like the Horse Fly

[obtuse sage]

https://wiki.animalroyale.com/wiki/Bug_Catching

[fast mirage]

upvotes went from 20 to 70...

this server is healing

[hushed quail]

Sort of it was never wounded

Just weak

[devout herald]

"This isn't for noobs"
Where is the skill involved here?

[devout herald]

There's difference between difficult and just random

And keep in mind, i got not only 1 but 2 black pearls within 2 days and i still think that the quest just sucks

And needs the chance tweaked a bit

There are already tons of people who got it and getting it does not make you special anymore

At this point it's just a quest item now

[hushed cedar]

It's also been pointed out before (in different words) that a body of players suffering a bad deal doesn't justify a bad deal for everybody henceforth ad infinitum. That's how societies get held back.

[green osprey]

My friend just pulled a gold pearl on the 2nd clam howwww

[hushed cedar]

RNG

The next slog to the next pearl could land a black pearl.

Now that I think about it, it's actually quite 'mean' for a new player to happily trade away their black pearl that they get so much carl coins for...

Would be 'nice' if such players 'didn't' get the designated pearl but did get guaranteed the pearl once the quest is active.

Similar could apply to other collect quests too.

First fish was a perfect legendary? Oh wow. That's some nice coin... until you realize that you sold a ticket out of a lot of grindy pain later on.

[devout herald]

problem with that is that it can be exploited

why just stop at one

[hushed cedar]

.

Had a couple more thoughts about the original premise.

While I 'generally' don't think the clams require different odds, I 'do' acknowledge that there are a couple of places where fewer clams exist. It might be interesting to have such clams have improved odds compared to high clam density beaches.

[devout herald]

even if they detect you have it inventory

you can drop it everytime you try to open another clam

[hushed cedar]

That's fair but it also depends on how it's implemented.

Could have a state stored with the quest info.

State 1 - Quest assigned = no and Designated Pearl found = no and Designated Pearl assigned = no
State 2 - Quest assigned = no and Designated Pearl found = yes and Designated Pearl assigned = no (pear 'reserved')
State 3 - Quest assigned = yes and Designated Pearl found = yes and Designated Pearl assigned = no (waiting for that reserved pearl to drop)
State 4 - Quest assigned = yes and Designated Pearl found = yes and Designated Pearl assigned = yes ('reserved' pearl has been provided)

[hushed quail]

Why not just add more clams?

[hushed cedar]

Because there is value in not being samey.

[hushed quail]

What exactly?

[hushed cedar]

i.e. Every x meters of beach must have a clam.

It is nicer to have a bit of variety - and make it up in another way if need be.

[hushed quail]

It's would be nice if they have at least one there

Like where the Bibers are

[hushed cedar]

And letting a quest dictate optimizing clam distribution feels off. ^_^

[hushed quail]

Depends

[hushed cedar]

I'd rather that the south-most isle retains its two clams but both have, say double odds.

[hushed quail]

That's just cheating

[hushed cedar]

Is it?

[hushed quail]

And if we cheat

Why not

Making so that every clam Does it?

[hushed cedar]

Because 0.02% x 2 chances is close enough equal to 0.01 x 4 chances.

[hushed quail]

Every time you don't get a prarl

It's should increase

Until you get gold and black

Then should reset

After you get one of those

[zenith kayak]

I was about to disagree but I change my mind after that

[hushed cedar]

That's a different mechanic. It's another way of going about it.

[zenith kayak]

It not cheating if it unfair to begin with

[hushed quail]

Exactly

[hushed quail]

Technically

[hushed cedar]

It's not cheating to have a space with two clams have the same overall odds as another space with four clams.

[hushed quail]

Eh depends

[hushed cedar]

It's also available to all players - who is being cheated?

[hushed quail]

On how you look at it

[hushed quail]

People who don't know?

Or how about people who don't understand?

[hushed cedar]

I suppose that is true enough. Though that sounds like something that can be corrected easily enough - if that is the problem.

[hushed quail]

Well let's say if that's were the case

People still could have the problem of not hearing about it

And accidentally selling off stuff

[hushed cedar]

Hence this.

[hushed quail]

What I thought Is the solution is the game doesn't let you sell until you finished the quests

[hushed cedar]

Prevents players who got more lucky than they know feeling crestfallen later.

[hushed quail]

Therefore newbies

And Noobs have fair chances

[hushed quail]

How?

Those lucky people can do quests faster

As the rest

After they are done with gathering quests

They can sell whatever they want

However they want

Of course my other Idea

Is that we add Trading

Which would help everyone

https://discord.com/channels/413200888010637313/1460068376880611452

[hushed cedar]

Luck isn't necessarily a done deal uniform through one's play time. It's like flipping a coin. You can get heads 10 x in a row but the odds of the 11th being heads remains 50%.

[hushed quail]

Let's be honest most Dealers have lucks

AND that why they are rich

[hushed cedar]

It is no coincidence that it is said that the house always wins - but that's a different topic for another server. ^_~

[urban dome]

Doesn't address the core issues of low odds, unluckiness, and others opening clams before you

[hushed quail]

Technically it's does

As each match the clams resets

So you will be able to go pearl hunting before and after you are done

[hushed cedar]

Clams reset after enough time has elapsed - independently of match participation.

Yes, technically another way of improving odds is to adjust reset time.

As somebody else mentioned part of the problem with the quest is that the process of moving from one clam to another is tedious (all the more so when the clam throws the pearl deeper into the shallows).

I admit that once I get this done I likely won't be looking at clams in SAW ever again (presuming that I don't write them off entirely). 😅

It 'would' be interesting if clams could 'mature' over time spent undisturbed. However all these kinds of suggestions do lead back to the title of this thread.

.

Apparently there are 42 clams on in SAW (more than I expected but let's go with this).

Let's fairly presume that each marathon run (with MTN stops) nets 25 per run.

At 0.1% one would "expect" to get a golden pearl every 1,000 clams, or 40 runs.

At 0.01% for a black pearl that's an expected 400 runs.

At 5 minutes per run that's 3.33 and 33.33 hours of dedicated clam hunting.

Again, would be less of an issue if it weren't a quest.

[viscid nexus]

absolute kek

based mining posting
I hope that's just intentional comedy posting instead of actual views.
Calling someone a noob over how much he spends time doing the most mundane crap life has to offer, is bringing it to another level.

[hushed cedar]

Ha!... I just realized that my only incentive for chasing the quest is to get it off of my feed.

(I am guessing there is a cosmetic attached - but I doubt it's something I'm interested in)

[hushed quail]

It's a pretty I give you that

Also it's including a black pearl in the end

[crude relic]

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@viscid nexus

wrong ping, directed at op

@storm laurel

[storm laurel]

Oh uh, neat. but tbh i think its too late? ill look once the update hits

[viscid nexus]

at least new players won't torture themselves

or those that take break from the game quests for now