#Respawn Tanks Aren't A Good Idea

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sleek kernel
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Respawn Tanks, like in any other Battle Royale, is a way for teammates to resurrect dead teammates. Similar to how we have Reboot Vans in Fortnite. Or the Buy Stations in Warzone. It's a neat little feature but I think it's not meant for Super Animal Royale at its current state.

Why do I think this?

The matches are too short and the map is too small for Respawn Tanks to make a massive impact. Let alone possibly being used or utilized thanks to the small amount of players actually in a match at one given time.

The solution? Don't add them until we have a bigger map and more players to utilize them since I feel these Tanks will only be very niece in their use.

Still, that's how I see it. I think the feature itself is cool. But yeah.

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queen flint
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lol i just made one of these forums

wise finch
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I entirely agree, but the feature has been coded and implemented... may as well see how it plays out

sleek kernel
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That is true, but ehh. Guess we can see how it pans out on a smaller pop game.

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I just personally think these features are better suited for bigger games, with more match time, player counts and map size.

queen flint
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i think its a good idea, its not like its effecting the game in a negative way. maybe there is not a lot of players because there is no revives. adding this could increase the amount of players and also enahnce the game play.

sleek kernel
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There isn't many players due to them just getting killed. Full team and all.

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Another issue is if you play with randoms and they just leave after they die. Rebooting becomes useless.

wise finch
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I mean, less people will leave after death with reboots now available...

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But my real concern would be ping spams for revival

surreal dove
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either a bigger map or only like 2 around

wise finch
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and unfortunately you have no way of muting by their name in the HUD...

surreal dove
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but if it takes up a gun slot people might not use it

wise finch
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That is not enough of a deterrent

sleek kernel
surreal dove
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depends ngl

wise finch
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a singular weapon slot is a temporary loss

surreal dove
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usually pub squads don't care about teammates

wise finch
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and it is much, MUCH less than a 50% reduction in one's combat capability

surreal dove
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if it's with friends tho

lean flume
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The new pings problem could be addressed independently. Such as anti-spam limitations.

sleek kernel
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I feel the thingie you need to pick up just is added into the inventory in its own slot

surreal dove
sleek kernel
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But still, since they already have coded the feature. We'll see how it truely affects a real SAR game.

gilded harness
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dont know how i feel about this new respawn concept either

sleek kernel
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Yeah

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Best we can do is wait and try it out.

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And only then we can get our pitch forks and torches. monkey_laugh

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/j

worn pagoda
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Yeah, I really hope that if enough backlash appears, it can get revoked and won't be set in stone.

lean flume
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To be honest this might have been a good thing to test, instead of, or alongside the blunderbus.

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Lower stakes.

red sparrow
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i like it tbh

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but i mostly play solos anyway

lean flume
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And I say this as one who hasn't got any objection to it. I just acknowledge that it's not conducive to retention for a player to die and be required to wait for all other allies to fall or win before they are allowed to play their next match. Especially fill.

ripe citrus
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We don't even have those implemented, I think we should use them first before considering it a bad idea

fringe swift
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I'm a little mixed if only because it feels like it'd mostly only benefit friends playing together - prefilled teams often have people who kinda go do their own thing, especially with cross-platform restrictions (iirc certain consoles can't type) limiting communication.

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and then yeah, the pingspam already mentioned

stuck sun
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My biggest concern for Respawn Tanks has to do with the fact that SAR matches are really balanced between casual players and competitive players. How will a causal player stand a chance against a try-hard constantly respawning?

lean flume
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And console disadvantages (shoulkd they remain) also.

supple cedar
lean flume
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I think some are saying that the tryhards will be more likely to be using them though.

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Of course on a different note, this might bring about interesting interactions where players fight over a tank.

stuck sun
split bloom
wise finch
fringe swift
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I also wonder if tanks wouldn't be kinda, too limited? The balance between 'enough to make a visible impact to the average squad with how fast space dwindles' and 'not so many that it feels like you're constantly seeing them around the corner' feels like it'll be pretty fragile, if at all possible.

mighty shuttle
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I dont know, if they want to test it out, they should make this feature optional as the "bot fill" toggle

wise finch
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Since they'd be less prone to team wipes, and would likely know how to make the most of an extra member compared to a fill team

proven needle
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I completely disagree as I don't think The Tanks would be available for Normal Royal mode

wise finch
proven needle
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It's probably in the new mod that Devs planning

lean flume
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I do wonder if random locations or popping up similar to and simultaneously to mole crates might improve overall design. 🤔

fringe swift
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new mod..?

proven needle
fringe swift
proven needle
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Where we can look around

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And do Quests

fringe swift
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it's a non combat mode

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why would we need to revive in that?

lean flume
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Tryhards would need to choose between picking off weaker teams or vying for the legendary drops.

proven needle
lean flume
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Or split up and try to do both.

vital crane
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Announcement says Duos/Squads

proven needle
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Idea

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As it would give a lot of options

fringe swift
lean flume
proven needle
fringe swift
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combat would be kinda non-conducive to a relaxing mode

proven needle
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Or go looting

proven needle
fringe swift
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-_-

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also, the average tryhard doesn't need much in the way of loot to wreak havoc

proven needle
proven needle
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Like find X loot

fringe swift
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that's assuming they care about that sort of thing

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and even then once it's done it's done

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i don't gotta re-unlock my pistol kill skins anytime soon, for instance.

proven needle
fringe swift
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and I don't have much reasoning to personally worry about more exp from daily/weekly tasks either

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It's not as much of a major incentive as you seem to think it is.

proven needle
fringe swift
lean flume
proven needle
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I rarely see Old Hards

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I mainly worry about The New ones 😂🤣

lean flume
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Or the alt-hards?

fringe swift
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uh-huh.

proven needle
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So when I see one I always go to the opposite way

lean flume
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Noping out is a legitimate tactic in royale.

proven needle
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My Teammates fall for the traps

lean flume
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I wonder if it would be wise to only introduce the tanks in Duos... 🤔

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At least at first.

proven needle
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As for Four it's would be complicated

lean flume
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It might actually boost Duos popularity as it'd have a thing to set it apart.

proven needle
lean flume
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And Squads would still exist.

proven needle
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Newbies always play it once and never again

proven needle
lean flume
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It would be a lesser shock to the existing royale player base and it would allow for tanks to get proper testing and tweaking in Duos.

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Might even pair well with new players being encouraged to try duos because they exist.

proven needle
lean flume
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(although SvR remains superior for most learning purposes)

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(If one wanted to get SvR's learning without the capture points - then Team DeathMatch is a concept that was recently-ish raised)

proven needle
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Yes indeed

lean flume
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Now that I think back to it, I wonder if the respawn mechanic were modified such that players had three lives - but could only access them if revived.

So... one hamball downs the player, another kills them. What if they could still be revived on the spot, or picked up and placed somewhere and revived - until the three lives are expended. 🤔

(I'm just thinking out loud on the above - I do think that it would be a very radical departure for a 'royale' mode to have this)

In honesty I think that we should see how the current respawn tanks work. They might work better than anticipated. But probably a little overly bold to activate in both duos 'and' squads.

feral blaze
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on one hand im excited to see new content! and i don't want to criticize much until i actually see it in action

on the other hand ive had discussions about reviving mechanics with friends and also in this server a few times, and i think it will end up making skilled players even harder for newer players to defeat because now they have to get lucky twice

regardless ill save my final thoughts for after they're released

(also i hope i can blow them up with grenades)

wintry cedar
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I'll get the pitchforks later.

But I guess It will be a good final nail in the coffin for me, if the squad mode just turns into "Trap the respawn tanks" the gamemode too -- on top of the occasional cross teaming and downed bodyblocking, which aren't really a fun mechanic imo.

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Esp with how this only seems to benefit alr partied squads or the "so-called" tryhards. (????)
Been fun ig.

twin quail
manic badge
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I do think respawns are bad for a few reasons:

  • First, a game is on average, 7 min. While Fortnite, Apex Legends and others BRs are ~30 mins, it makes sense for them. Not for SAR.
  • People will mostly camp respawn points and dead bodies to avoid respawning
  • Before, if you kill a high tier player, he's dead until the end. Now, try to fight him twice in the same game. People will gonna complain more about "tryharders" being revived and camping respawn points so normal squads couldnt even have respawns
supple cedar
mighty shuttle
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Still, I do think this should be implemented as an optional feature, not forced, default off, to those who actually wanna experiment, having private matches also could be something to be used with friends only

lofty horizon
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People afraid of changes, sad.

mighty shuttle
lean flume
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Changes will always stir caution or fear.

twin quail
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mkel has a good point tho, about the better people. the map and playtime of the game is gonna simply jump up in difficulty if there are more skilled people, since the game already has few players and it's likely going to be harder for them to get adapted to the game

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but i also believe at least experimenting with it wouldn't hurt

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# lofty horizon People afraid of changes, sad.

We dont know exactly how it works for now. Maybe there is a timer, maybe only one revive per person, ... But I still think this thing will more advantages high tier players rather than casuals.

lean flume
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One possibility here is having revives cost super serum...

In theory experienced players would use more... and, yes, experienced players have tons of the stuff...

But alt accounts less so, especially burner ones.

twin quail
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i mean, when there are tools available for everybody, of course the more skilled players will have more value out of it than others

lean flume
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Yes, there is a 60 second timer. Yes that favours experienced players.

mighty shuttle
viral salmon
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im kinda mixed on this

twin quail
lean flume
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Closest I can think of to this is a mystery mode mechanic where the mode states if its a tankless royale or not.

mighty shuttle
lean flume
lofty horizon
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when did the trailer say that you'll use super serum?

viral salmon
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it shouldn't cost anything of the current currency implemented in the game it would make a weird gimmick

lean flume
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I'm solutions minded. It wasn't stated.

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lofty horizon
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the trailer clearly shows different type of vials, not super serums.

manic badge
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they are colored so it's mostly colored depending on your teammates paw/ping colors

twin quail
spare anvil
shell steeple
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I think it'll be fine. It makes early game losses more forgiving instead of how detrimental it is to be outnumbered late game. Yet it is still a penalty as rebooting has always been risky in brs. It'll change up the gameflow which is nice because we've been playing the same thing for a long time.

mighty shuttle
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Community shhould not be a barrier on a Game's evolution, Community should show the paths the devs can go through. I've seem games that never left the safe zone their community forces them to stay

split bloom
mighty shuttle
split bloom
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Oops, my bad

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Updated, haha

mighty shuttle
fossil herald
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My main concern with these is that they'll detract from the world. It'll probably be nice to be able to revive teammates, though.

queen flint
mighty shuttle
# mighty shuttle No worries, it's a polemic opinion too, not the entire community agrees sometime...

As a minor indie game developer (with no public projects yet), I do understand the power of community and I fear my future projects might end up stuck on any sort of safe zones, I like to see games evolving, getting better, mistakes will happen no matter the project, but preventing anything to happen is also condemning the project into a limbo, I also think game lores should be open to public influence as well in some cases, it enhances the immersion of the playera into the story. To exemplify that, I remember a game that had a 2-sides war where there was a war status on the main page calculating the victory count of both sides to se which side wins the season, it was a feature that players influenced on next seasons

obtuse lily
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I think it's more fair where if they die, they just die

violet veldt
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I dont wanna be like one of those K/D nerds but would it affect your K/D? 😭

violet veldt
stuck sun
wintry cedar
# violet veldt Yeah if it took a gun slot thatd be somewhat balanced

According to teasers, it is probably some kind of "drop" from killing others.
Instead of .. like using your actual serums. But it doesn't change the fact that actual partied players get an extra life for free.

Like look, I'm not against change or anything; but I don't think this is it.

proven needle
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Personally I think they should do something like Call of Duty did

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When you collect The Special Serum you return

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But you're team will Lost some points because you died

wise finch
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Points don't affect whether a team wins or loses.

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And this doesn't compensate the teams that fall victim to the one that got a revive.

supple mica
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IMO the only good answer to this thread is "wait for it to be released and try it out before giving judgement"

cedar jewel
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I'll give my two cents on this

This, if done right, will make it far more enjoyable.
Why? Squads & duos suffers from the fact that if you die early you have to sit there through the entire match otherwise you don't get the rewards for the match. dying really early on really just to watch others play for like 10 minutes isn't exactly fun, so actually being able to come back is going to be nice

It also adds new lore in some way, Id wager we'll get an update on respawning and whether super animals remember stuff or not regarding death

New players won't be penalized as badly for death

HOWEVER, I feel like it should be 1 respawn per person. Anything past that and you have an issue with drawing the game out longer than it usually lasts, additionally I feel as if they're gonna be camped so it would be nice if there was something to try and restrict it, maybe make catmines unable to be thrown within a small area around it or something

lean flume
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I am also reminded of #🧩feedback message as a further mechanic that could be used to mitigate the fears expressed. 🤔

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Now, for a fun sub-suggestion.

Put SAW insignia on all the respawn tanks. This may serve well for that which follows.

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Picture the following:

The finch shows up (before Crisprmas, of course) to fume at the introduction of all the respawn tanks.

He orders for 'Operation {think up a witty name here}' to begin, to destroy all the tanks.

A shaky voice arises that they don't have enough resources to take them all out.

In a cold rage the finch slams a feathered fist down, scaring everybody around him, and the shaky voice says that they can maybe take out squads.

The finch begrudgingly agrees, demanding that his will be done as the scene fades out, leaving only his eyes, turning into emblazoned fires as the scene transitions to one where rebels are burning the tanks, blowing them up and whacking them with melee implements.

Just some random fluff that might make the best of the announcement.

signal sluice
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Absolute cinema.

lofty horizon
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?

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??

signal sluice
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I mean that announcement concept.

sharp talon
# manic badge I do think respawns are bad for a few reasons: - First, a game is on average, 7...

I agree with the second and third point, but not the first. The way I've seen respawning in longer timed games, they suffer from the same issues as point two and three, however it comes down to a waiting game to be respawned around ten to fifteen minutes after your death, only to die soon after being respawned again.

The premise of a Respawning Mechanic should be to [1] Give the user a way to re-enter the action to keep engagement, [2] Get the user back into the action in a relatively short period of time. By the shots of multiple different Respawn Tanks in the clip, I'd say that's more possible in this game than others.

I'm not a fan of Respawn Tanks, but I'm willing to give this a shot and see how it is at launch. If something is busted or greatly unfair about it, the Devs can always tweak the way the system works instead of removing it as the first option.

hushed pendant
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I think they are a great idea and the majority of ppl want it in game and the Devs wouldn't just cancel something they already teased, so I see no reason for this post cl

lean flume
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It is important for the devs to receive feedback from their existing community.

From both those who do and don't like that which is presented.

It highlights how people 'expect' things to go, and in what ways. This allows them to course adjust, if they should so choose.

While keeping in mind that they need to extrapolate information to cover the expected reception from the many more who haven't provided feedback, and how this overall impacts how they envision that things will go.

drifting dagger
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Respawn tanks seem to be an interesting idea, although i cannot jump into conclusions since i have yet to experience it.... well everyone else. seeing is not enough to gather my thoughts about it

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the thing that is unknown to us all is how do they exactly work and how it is executed in action

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and with that, we wouldnt know how this mechanic harmonize the flow of the match in this game

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so my best bet for now is....playing it first by the time the update comes out before making thoughts about it. thats where true experience comes instead of making conclusions without experiencing it owl_think

rough iris
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I don’t hate the idea, I just don’t like the fact that people are gonna 100% camp it.

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I also think they should be disabled once under 15 people

kind temple
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People hate dying early and especially dying from sweaty tryhards. This is already a great feature as "No more dying early"

wise finch
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But Scar, the "sweaty tryhards" will also use the respawn tanks...

kind temple
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If they can camp the tank, and so we are

wise finch
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But if you struggle at taking them down in fair fights, what makes you think that camping a respawn tank is easier for you than the "sweaty tryhards"?

lofty horizon
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if anything you'll already know which locations will have people bluedeer_wink

ripe citrus
split bloom
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Though, there's nothing wrong with that, I still think they need to improve their game design skills instead of hiding, tbh. They can't keep making the same mistakes repeatedly.

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If something goes wrong, I hope the devs take action sooner, before the game becomes unplayable or unenjoyable.

lofty horizon
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I mean, people still play the game despite superite being in the game

split bloom
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I feel like the respawn tank is a major change to the royale, though

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I just hope the duos, squads player population doesn't go down

lofty horizon
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I see it as a positive change, both new and veteran players can die to some of the most nonsensical things in this game, and with the way the trailer showed how the respawn will work i see it as a positive change. If you want to confirm kills you will have to push players away from the grave of their teammate, or chase the entire team. And you can grab the vial quickly and retreat into one of the many respawn tanks to bring back your friend into the game.

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It will finally add something new to the way this game plays, which is what it needed the most, as it has gotten repetitive with the same formula for years.

split bloom
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Yeah, true

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I'm not saying it's a bad change

split bloom
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as devs marten_sip

lofty horizon
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we'll see, but for now i only have positive feelings towards this

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as for the argument of people camping the respawn points... it's like fish in a barrel, same deal as the molecrate

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you already know there's going to be someone there

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it's not a random tree, bush, or lootpile coming to life with a shotgun, it's a location that screams for attention like the molecrate
so it should be easy to both find people wanting to revive their teammates, as well as people camping the points hoping to catch someone offguard bluedeer_wink

split bloom
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Yep